Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
- Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out On 20/05/2010, at 4:12 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: I may have this all wrong, but it seems to me that for there to be umpteen trillion copies of a person there had to be umpteen trillion (UT) copies of his parents. And only a relatively small sub-group of those met and cohabited at the exact moment of his/her conception. But the same must have been true for their parents and their parents' parents and so forth back to the primoridal slime. And this staggering foliation of universes only covers one specific zygote of two specific gametes. What of all the other UT^UT combinations leading to the creation of other individuals just on this family tree? And what of all the other combinations and histories of every human, animal, insect and bacterium on this planet? Does it really make sense to assume numbers of universes so far beyond our ability to conceive of?marty a. You may as well claim that an infinite single universe should not exist because it boggles the human mind. Stathis Papaioannou I don't know, Stathis. Somehow it seems easier for me to conceive of ONE infinite universe than to conceive of umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen...universes. My mind is obviously more limited than yours. m.a. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
2010/5/21 m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - *From:* Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out On 20/05/2010, at 4:12 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: I may have this all wrong, but it seems to me that for there to be umpteen trillion copies of a person there had to be umpteen trillion (UT) copies of his parents. And only a relatively small sub-group of those met and cohabited at the exact moment of his/her conception. But the same must have been true for their parents and their parents' parents and so forth back to the primoridal slime. And this staggering foliation of universes only covers one specific zygote of two specific gametes. What of all the other UT^UT combinations leading to the creation of other individuals just on this family tree? And what of all the other combinations and histories of every human, animal, insect and bacterium on this planet? Does it really make sense to assume numbers of universes so far beyond our ability to conceive of?marty a. You may as well claim that an infinite single universe should not exist because it boggles the human mind. Stathis Papaioannou I don't know, Stathis. Somehow it seems easier for me to conceive of ONE infinite universe than to conceive of umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen...universes. My mind is obviously more limited than yours. m.a. Why in the first case you call it infinite and in the other umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen. Either case, it's infinite so your mind couldn't encompass what it is either way... Why choosing one infinite universe versus an infinity of infinite universe ? Regards, Quentin -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
2010/5/21 m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - *From:* Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out Why in the first case you call it infinite and in the other umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen. Either case, it's infinite so your mind couldn't encompass what it is either way... Why choosing one infinite universe versus an infinity of infinite universe ? There is more than one kind of infinity! Aleph0, aleph1 etc. I don't know if this is significant here. Nick Prince -- -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Quantum-Immortality-considering-%22Passing-Out%22-tp28620760p28639048.html Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
- Original Message - From: Quentin Anciaux To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out 2010/5/21 m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out On 20/05/2010, at 4:12 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: I may have this all wrong, but it seems to me that for there to be umpteen trillion copies of a person there had to be umpteen trillion (UT) copies of his parents. And only a relatively small sub-group of those met and cohabited at the exact moment of his/her conception. But the same must have been true for their parents and their parents' parents and so forth back to the primoridal slime. And this staggering foliation of universes only covers one specific zygote of two specific gametes. What of all the other UT^UT combinations leading to the creation of other individuals just on this family tree? And what of all the other combinations and histories of every human, animal, insect and bacterium on this planet? Does it really make sense to assume numbers of universes so far beyond our ability to conceive of?marty a. You may as well claim that an infinite single universe should not exist because it boggles the human mind. Stathis Papaioannou I don't know, Stathis. Somehow it seems easier for me to conceive of ONE infinite universe than to conceive of umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen...universes. My mind is obviously more limited than yours. m.a. Why in the first case you call it infinite and in the other umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen. Either case, it's infinite so your mind couldn't encompass what it is either way... Why choosing one infinite universe versus an infinity of infinite universe ? Stathis: This is of course entirely subjective, but I feel some conceptual grasp of one infinite universe probably because it's (only) ONE. I'm comfortable with ONE of something. Trying to envision an infinity of infinities seems rather hopeless because I can't even get through the first infinity...which leaves me no conceptual tool to deal with the second. In other words, if I try to solve infinity x infinity the first part of the statement is so mysterious that I have no idea of how to use it to influence the second part. Hope this makes some sense. marty a. Regards, Quentin -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
On 5/21/2010 5:58 PM, m.a. wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2010 9:19 AM *Subject:* Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out 2010/5/21 m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net mailto:marty...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - *From:* Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out On 20/05/2010, at 4:12 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net mailto:marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: I may have this all wrong, but it seems to me that for there to be umpteen trillion copies of a person there had to be umpteen trillion (UT) copies of his parents. And only a relatively small sub-group of those met and cohabited at the exact moment of his/her conception. But the same must have been true for their parents and their parents' parents and so forth back to the primoridal slime. And this staggering foliation of universes only covers one specific zygote of two specific gametes. What of all the other UT^UT combinations leading to the creation of other individuals just on this family tree? And what of all the other combinations and histories of every human, animal, insect and bacterium on this planet? Does it really make sense to assume numbers of universes so far beyond our ability to conceive of?marty a. You may as well claim that an infinite single universe should not exist because it boggles the human mind. Stathis Papaioannou I don't know, Stathis. Somehow it seems easier for me to conceive of ONE infinite universe than to conceive of umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen...universes. My mind is obviously more limited than yours. m.a. Just boggling the unmathematical intuition is not a reason to reject infinities. But infinities are acceptable precisely insofar at they do not boggle the mathematical mind. If one can say exactly what they mean by an infinity, such as the cardinality of the integers, then they can be a part of our model of the world. But if it's just some indefinite infinity then I think m.a. is right. Since QM lives in the space of square integrable complex functions, it's already a bigger infinity than the integers and the reals. I'm not sure you can define Borel sets over elements of this space; and if you can't you've boggled the mathematics. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
