Re: Vaccine statistics

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Pro-vaccine here, but am against vaxing an masks as some sort of loyalty oath 
to progressive run governments. Public health is obviously not a well-developed 
science as purported. For a year the idea of covid being a naturally evolved 
germ was promoted solidly by the CDC, the WHO, and progressives that comprise 
the media and most governments. This is now looking doubtful with the rise of 
delta and now other variants. There are also other considerations to be 
considered aside from mere numbers. For causes, there are effects. 
>From a new report from Nature. 
Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of 
vaccine-resistant strains
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
Potentially we are now breeding resistance. Is this true? Not sure, but simply 
relying of governmental, benefactors, for even telling the truth is not now a 
believable thing in all cases. The China origin thing, Fauci's connection with 
funding the Wuhan labs, Fauci's own decision to change his analysis from a 90% 
immunity percentile down to 75%, because he stated he "thought that the public 
couldn't take it," throws whatever people like him say, into reasonable doubt. 
So Bruno, why all the protests in France and Berlin the last 10 days. Are these 
merely white supremacists stirring up trouble? Might it be something more 
nuanced? 

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From: Bruno Marchal 
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Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 9:56 am
Subject: Re: Vaccine statistics

People who claim that a vaccination mandate, or masks,  constitute a threat for 
freedom are mocking those living in a genuine dictatorship and they have no 
ideas of what that means.
If they were serious they would be in the street since the prohibition of 
medication laws, which is something putting liars into power and which is 
really threatening freedom and democracy. 
In fact, not vaccinate oneself during a pandemic is about the same as not 
respecting the speed limit in a city. It is a quasi criminal act hat endangered 
the others, and sometimes kill some of them.
Vaccination is not a personal affair. Like limitation of speed, it is not so 
much to protect you from others, but to protect others from you.
It is not a coincidence that those against vaccination are very often siding 
with Trump, which is the real threat against freedom and democracy.
Bruno

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:38:56 AM UTC+2 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-5 stathisp wrote:

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 09:01, Lawrence Crowell  wrote:

The real problem is that vaccinated people will have delta-Cov-Sar2 in them and 
they can pass it on to others. If everyone were vaccinated this would not be 
much of a problem, and in fact might be just a bit of added immune boosting. So 
we are now back to masking mandates, and I am going to have to buy another box 
of them tomorrow. It is deja vu all over again. A year ago we were in the same 
spot.

Ironically, vaccinated people will have to wear masks for the benefit of those 
who don’t believe in vaccination and perhaps not in masks either.


Mask mandates are back on at work tomorrow. Indeed, now that the δ variant is 
breakthrough, though asymptomatic for the vaccinated, we are back to trying to 
"lower the curve" with masking. This was what came in force just about a year 
ago. Oh well. I know which side of the fence I am glad to be on. 
LC 



LC

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

I thought it might be useful to cut through some of the noise about 
breakthrough COVID-19 infections and give the latest statistics from the CDC. 
If you are fully vaccinated then you only have a 0.004% chance of becoming so 
ill from COVID-19 that you need to be hospitalized, and you have less than a 
0.001% chance of dying from it. So these days if you do die of it you have no 
excuse and should be thoroughly embarrassed as well as being thoroughly dead; 
I'm certain your family will be embarrassed to admit that they're related to 
somebody who died from an advanced case of stupidity.

Less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans died after a Covid-19 
breakthrough case

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis



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Re: Vaccine statistics

[Bruno Marchal]

People who claim that a vaccination mandate, or masks,  constitute a threat 
for freedom are mocking those living in a genuine dictatorship and they 
have no ideas of what that means.

If they were serious they would be in the street since the prohibition of 
medication laws, which is something putting liars into power and which is 
really threatening freedom and democracy. 

In fact, not vaccinate oneself during a pandemic is about the same as not 
respecting the speed limit in a city. It is a quasi criminal act hat 
endangered the others, and sometimes kill some of them.

Vaccination is not a personal affair. Like limitation of speed, it is not 
so much to protect you from others, but to protect others from you.

It is not a coincidence that those against vaccination are very often 
siding with Trump, which is the real threat against freedom and democracy.

Bruno

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:38:56 AM UTC+2 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-5 stathisp wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 09:01, Lawrence Crowell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The real problem is that vaccinated people will have delta-Cov-Sar2 in 
>>> them and they can pass it on to others. If everyone were vaccinated this 
>>> would not be much of a problem, and in fact might be just a bit of added 
>>> immune boosting. So we are now back to masking mandates, and I am going to 
>>> have to buy another box of them tomorrow. It is deja vu all over again. A 
>>> year ago we were in the same spot.
>>
>>
>> Ironically, vaccinated people will have to wear masks for the benefit of 
>> those who don’t believe in vaccination and perhaps not in masks either.
>>
>>
> Mask mandates are back on at work tomorrow. Indeed, now that the δ variant 
> is breakthrough, though asymptomatic for the vaccinated, we are back to 
> trying to "lower the curve" with masking. This was what came in force just 
> about a year ago. Oh well. I know which side of the fence I am glad to be 
> on. 
>
> LC
>  
>
>> LC
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I thought it might be useful to cut through some of the noise about 
 breakthrough COVID-19 infections and give the latest statistics from the 
 CDC. If you are fully vaccinated then you only have a 0.004% chance of 
 becoming so ill from COVID-19 that you need to be hospitalized, and you 
 have less than a 0.001% chance of dying from it. So these days if you do 
 die of it you have no excuse and should be thoroughly embarrassed as well 
 as being thoroughly dead; I'm certain your family will be embarrassed to 
 admit that they're related to somebody who died from an advanced case of 
 stupidity.

 Less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans died after a Covid-19 
 breakthrough case 
 

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
 

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