Re: Re: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitivescience
Hi Russell Standish Actual introspection is subjective, not objective. Computers as I understand them can only think objectively. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-09, 01:42:47 Subject: Re: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitivescience On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 06:34:56AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish He's talking about psychological introspection using everyday language and concepts. Philosophical introspection a la Kant for example, is more formal and precise and uses formal categories. I don't see a distinction in the topic, or problem being solved - just a difference in tools used. Modern AI uses less formal logic these days, and more statistical modelling (such as in the website I referenced). Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitivescience
On 10 Dec 2012, at 13:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Actual introspection is subjective, not objective. Computers as I understand them can only think objectively. But now we know better. Computers are champion in introspection, and they have a rich subjective life. Even without comp or CTM, and with just the usual definition of knowledge in analytical philosophy. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/10/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-09, 01:42:47 Subject: Re: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitivescience On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 06:34:56AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish He's talking about psychological introspection using everyday language and concepts. Philosophical introspection a la Kant for example, is more formal and precise and uses formal categories. I don't see a distinction in the topic, or problem being solved - just a difference in tools used. Modern AI uses less formal logic these days, and more statistical modelling (such as in the website I referenced). Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by cognitivescience
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 07:59:20AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Actual introspection is subjective, not objective. Computers as I understand them can only think objectively. Two points: 1) Why do you think introspection is subjective? By contrast, I suspect it is one of the most objective features of consciousness - we can test it with things like the mirror test. We can know when other animals exhibit introspection, whilst still retaining doubt about their phenomenal consciousness. 2) Why do you think computers can only think objectively? Bruno, of course, argues the opposite, although from with the assumption of COMP. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
