MGA in a nutshell
I don't know about anyone else, but with the volume of mail we're getting lately, I've been skimming things and have started to lose the plot completely. So, perhaps it's time for a fresh start. My idea of where we are is this: Physical causality is just a 'linkage' between states - it's nothing more than a rule for going from one place to another (be it a discrete jump or a continuous trajectory), and taking a block view of time it can be represented not as a distinction between states and links but just as states. Hence any phenomena relying on a causal process is also encapsulated by a static snapshot. Thence, consciousness is not created by the universe, but merely implies/creates its own universe/causal context around it. Damn, I try and make something make more sense and end up typing confusing babble like that! -- - Did you ever hear of The Seattle Seven? - Mmm. - That was me... and six other guys. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MGA in a nutshell
Michael Rosefield wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but with the volume of mail we're getting lately, I've been skimming things and have started to lose the plot completely. So, perhaps it's time for a fresh start. My idea of where we are is this: Physical causality is just a 'linkage' between states - it's nothing more than a rule for going from one place to another (be it a discrete jump or a continuous trajectory), and taking a block view of time it can be represented not as a distinction between states and links but just as states. But that's what creates the antinomy when you suppose the sequence of states is created by a random number generator or replaying a recording. If there's nothing to causal linkage except order of states then there's no distinction between the randomly generated sequence and the causal sequence except the former is extremely improbable. Brent Hence any phenomena relying on a causal process is also encapsulated by a static snapshot. Thence, consciousness is not created by the universe, but merely implies/creates its own universe/causal context around it. Damn, I try and make something make more sense and end up typing confusing babble like that! -- - Did you ever hear of The Seattle Seven? - Mmm. - That was me... and six other guys. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MGA in a nutshell
Well, I think I'm OK with that! Consciousness exists in the Everything as an implied causal process - and that implication embeds it within causal frameworks. In cases where causality is broken but its representation exists, I would say that maybe the gaps are filled in by the 'full' consciousnesses as expressed elsewhere in the Everything. It seems a little odd, but what the hell. Say you're split in two (doesn't matter if it's in the same universe or in different ones), and having a conversation with someone. In one case, it's a normal person, and in another a non-consciousness simulacrum with identical responses etc.. If you don't know which one you're dealing with, then perhaps the consciousness of the real person is in some kind of dominant superposition over the fake. Of course, this would imply that everything that could possibly, even in concept, have some hidden consciousness behind it does so. 2008/11/25 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Rosefield wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but with the volume of mail we're getting lately, I've been skimming things and have started to lose the plot completely. So, perhaps it's time for a fresh start. My idea of where we are is this: Physical causality is just a 'linkage' between states - it's nothing more than a rule for going from one place to another (be it a discrete jump or a continuous trajectory), and taking a block view of time it can be represented not as a distinction between states and links but just as states. But that's what creates the antinomy when you suppose the sequence of states is created by a random number generator or replaying a recording. If there's nothing to causal linkage except order of states then there's no distinction between the randomly generated sequence and the causal sequence except the former is extremely improbable. Brent Hence any phenomena relying on a causal process is also encapsulated by a static snapshot. Thence, consciousness is not created by the universe, but merely implies/creates its own universe/causal context around it. Damn, I try and make something make more sense and end up typing confusing babble like that! -- - Did you ever hear of The Seattle Seven? - Mmm. - That was me... and six other guys. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
