Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 08:59 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> Unfortunately, you do not have the libsoup version with the fix,
> because it had been release as 3.2.2, not 3.2.1, unless the distro's
> "-
> 2" at the end means they added custom patch to the package, but I
> doubt
> it was for this bug, because the fix in the #308 does fix the crash
> you
> face.
> Bye,
> Milan

Well I guess I'll open a new bug with my distro. They claimed it had
been released already. If it has it apparently doesn't resolve the
issue.
Thanks Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Paul Smith]

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 15:08 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
wrote:
> I'm on Evolution version 3.46.1-1 & Libsoup version 3.74.3-
> 1(testing).

I don't think there's any such thing as libsoup 3.74.3.  The most
recent libsoup released is 3.2.2.

Did you mean *2*.74.3?
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 16:18 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
wrote:
> libsoup3.0-0 with a version number of 3.2.1-2.
> I know I have the version that is supposed to fix the libsoup error.

Hi,
that's the (getting famous)
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308

Unfortunately, you do not have the libsoup version with the fix,
because it had been release as 3.2.2, not 3.2.1, unless the distro's "-
2" at the end means they added custom patch to the package, but I doubt
it was for this bug, because the fix in the #308 does fix the crash you
face.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 00:49 +0100, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 15:08 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > I'm getting this:
> 
> There is no Evolution code call in there.
> Feel free to file a bug report in gitlab.gnome.org with a full
> backtrace ("thread apply all bt full" in gdb).
> 
> Thanks,
> andre

Thanks Andre, I'll try it when it breaks again. 

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 15:08 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
wrote:
> I'm getting this:

There is no Evolution code call in there.
Feel free to file a bug report in gitlab.gnome.org with a full
backtrace ("thread apply all bt full" in gdb).

Thanks,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 16:16 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 15:08 -0600, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > I'm on Evolution version 3.46.1-1 & Libsoup version 3.74.3-
> > 1(testing).
> 
> I don't think there's any such thing as libsoup 3.74.3.  The most
> recent libsoup released is 3.2.2.
> 
> Did you mean *2*.74.3?

Well, sort of? I'm showing libsoup-gnome2.4-1 with that version and
libsoup3.0-0 with a version number of 3.2.1-2.
I know I have the version that is supposed to fix the libsoup error.
I'm on Debian Bookworm(testing) and I get the distro updates. 

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[Evolution] Evolution segfault

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

Hi List,
I'm getting this:
(evolution:19042): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 14:53:27.457:
g_object_ref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[Thread 0x7fff3aff76c0 (LWP 1800033) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff37ff16c0 (LWP 1800030) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff3c7fa6c0 (LWP 1800044) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff377f06c0 (LWP 1800051) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff3b7f86c0 (LWP 1800046) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff3cffb6c0 (LWP 1800043) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff543fc6c0 (LWP 1800034) exited]
[Thread 0x7fff387f26c0 (LWP 1800050) exited]

Thread 1 "evolution" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x7708b547 in g_mutex_lock (mutex=mutex@entry=0x8) at
../../../glib/gthread-posix.c:1529
1529../../../glib/gthread-posix.c: No such file or directory.
(gdb) 
(gdb) bt
#0  0x7708b547 in g_mutex_lock (mutex=mutex@entry=0x8)
at ../../../glib/gthread-posix.c:1529
#1  0x7257152b in soup_connection_manager_cleanup
(manager=0x0, cleanup_idle=cleanup_idle@entry=0)
at ../libsoup/soup-connection-manager.c:516
#2  0x725819ed in async_run_queue
(session=session@entry=0x7fffc82f5e20) at ../libsoup/soup-
session.c:1822
#3  0x72581ad9 in queue_dispatch
(source=, callback=,
user_data=) at ../libsoup/soup-session.c:184
#4  0x770377a9 in g_main_dispatch (context=0x555f39f0)
at ../../../glib/gmain.c:3444
#5  g_main_context_dispatch (context=context@entry=0x555f39f0)
at ../../../glib/gmain.c:4162
#6  0x77037a38 in g_main_context_iterate
(context=0x555f39f0, block=block@entry=1,
dispatch=dispatch@entry=1, self=) at
../../../glib/gmain.c:4238
#7  0x77037cef in g_main_loop_run (loop=0x55afd2c0)
at ../../../glib/gmain.c:4438
#8  0x7764a265 in gtk_main () at /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-
3.so.0
#9  0x8f8a in main ()

I'm on Evolution version 3.46.1-1 & Libsoup version 3.74.3-1(testing).

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Pete Biggs]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 13:04 +, Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pete Biggs 
> > To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?
> > Date: 05/11/22 02:05:13
> > 
> > On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> > >  
> > > I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing
> > > up on
> > > the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> > > 
> > > It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> > > years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM
> > > evolution
> > > imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 
> > 
> > I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...
> 
> I second that. I guess I have a right to being disappointed after
> seeing so many answers to my original question

Quite.  But to make you slightly less disappointed - I don't think
there is a direct method of doing what you want, but as a one-off I
would probably highlight,then cut or right-click the text into an
editor. All bets are off if it's an HTML formatted bit of text.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Adam Hardy via evolution-list]

> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Biggs 
> To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?
> Date: 05/11/22 02:05:13
> 
> On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> >  
> > I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up
> > on
> > the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> > 
> > It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> > years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM evolution
> > imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 
> 
> I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...

I second that. I guess I have a right to being disappointed after
seeing so many answers to my original question
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Pete Biggs]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
>  
> I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
> the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> 
> It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM evolution
> imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 

I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...




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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

The VM is on the same hardware as the new desktop.
I open up an sFTP in terminal and send it that way.
Here it is on the VM:
mike@jake:~/Downloads$ ls -l e*.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3415506569 Nov 3 15:17 evolution-backup-20221103.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3412545815 Nov 4 09:18 evolution-backup-20221104.tar.gz
mike@jake:~/Downloads$
Here it is on the platform:
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3415506569 Nov 4 09:11 
/home/mike/evolution-backup-20221103.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3412545815 Nov 4 09:19 
/home/mike/evolution-backup-20221104.tar.gz
mike@blackbox:/media/mike/My Book/work$
All I do is from "jake" to 'blackbox":
$ sftp mike@192.168.1.93
══
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Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
the import of a very large backup file from another computer.
Hi,
perhaps we are getting closer to the issue. How did you move the data
from the VM to the install on bare metal?
There are plans to hide the option "Backup up Evolution Data..." in
coming versions of Evolution.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
> the import of a very large backup file from another computer.

Hi,

perhaps we are getting closer to the issue. How did you move the data
from the VM to the install on bare metal?

There are plans to hide the option "Backup up Evolution Data..." in
coming versions of Evolution.

Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on the 
import of a very large backup file from another computer.
It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five years retired 
and still dealing with IT. The original VM evolution imported the PSTs, not an 
evolution backup.
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Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text)
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(083) 887-2154  (Voice Only)
Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

I will give it a try, but the issue may well be how the import function on 
Evolution works with the file and folder format.
Clearly, that's a guess, but it is one informed by forty years working in IT 
and five years retired and still working with it on a personal level.
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Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
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[Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Adam Hardy via evolution-list]

Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the
net, but the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since
2010 so I figured I'd ask.

Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a
text selection in an email? 

Thanks
Adam
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Freezing and IPv6

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-10-31 at 18:54 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Then move on to using the CAMEL debugging 
> 
> CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:debug,imapx:extra evolution >& logfile

Hi,
the above is the least thing you want to see (and read). What you want,
and what's the most often used, is:

   CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io,imapx:conman evolution

The imapx:io shows the communication between the server and the client,
the imapx:conman shows connection changes, including errors.

Though when the app is frozen, waiting for a response from the server,
or waiting for a connection, nothing will be printed in the debug logs.

The easiest way to see what an application is doing when it's frozen is
to gather a backtrace of it, ideally with debug symbols installed
(because without them it's useless); that means for evolution-data-
serve, evolution, glib2, glib-networking at least. You can get the
backtrace with a command like this:

   $ gdb --batch --ex "t a a bt" --pid=`pidof evolution` &>bt.txt

Please check the bt.txt for any private information, like passwords,
email addresses, server addresses,... I usually search for "pass" at
least (quotes for clarity only).

Nonetheless, I also faced IPv6 routes issues with some servers. The
easiest was to disable IPv6 on the machine. I do not think you can do
much with the broken routes (or when the server has enabled IPv6, but
doesn't respond properly there).

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Freezing and IPv6

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-10-31 at 13:35 -0400, my-no-spam--- via evolution-list
wrote:
> I've noticed that if I enable IPv6, evolution just hangs opening my
> mail and sometimes just freezes if left open. If I disable IPv6, the
> application performs like a rock star. Any ideas where I might start
> troubleshooting this? I have watched the network connectivity and,
> from
> what I see, it appears that only one of the three connections to the
> remote server actually gets established. 

Is the remote server IMAP?  Sometimes it is handy to test the
connection with openssl just to see if it can get setup.

openssl s_client -connect server.domain:port -starttls imap

https://djangocas.dev/blog/test-tls-connectivity-with-openssl/

Then move on to using the CAMEL debugging 

CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:debug,imapx:extra evolution >& logfile

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

It really seems likely that an IPv6 issue is a network issue; once the
socket is open the application really doesn't care.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Freezing and IPv6

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-10-31 at 13:35 -0400, my-no-spam--- via evolution-list
wrote:
> I've noticed that if I enable IPv6, evolution just hangs opening my
> mail and sometimes just freezes if left open. If I disable IPv6, the
> application performs like a rock star. Any ideas where I might start
> troubleshooting this? I have watched the network connectivity and,
> from
> what I see, it appears that only one of the three connections to the
> remote server actually gets established.

It's unclear whether you're switching while Evo is running, or if you
completely shut it down first.

poc
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[Evolution] Evolution Freezing and IPv6

[my-no-spam--- via evolution-list]

I've noticed that if I enable IPv6, evolution just hangs opening my
mail and sometimes just freezes if left open. If I disable IPv6, the
application performs like a rock star. Any ideas where I might start
troubleshooting this? I have watched the network connectivity and, from
what I see, it appears that only one of the three connections to the
remote server actually gets established. 
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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 16:02 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> losses will occur.
> 
> Some of the people on some of the gnome lists, are being quite vocal 
> about all kinds of possibilities, but, seem to be doing nothing about 
> any of the possibilities.

Hi,

an important part of the app communities are the app developers, the
admins and moderators of the current lists at gnome.org, hence a first
step to get closer to a solution are statements from those people.

We all or at least most of us were surprised and disorganized, the next
step is to become more organised.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 09:55 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 09:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I'm not aware of software to my taste, that can replace Evolution for
> > me and I used almost all known MUA software.
> 
> I'm not sure I understand your message properly, I guess I do not, but
> to express my own opinion: if the above means "if I cannot use a
> mailing list for app A, I'm going to switch to another app B, which
> does similar things as app A, even I'm particularly satisfied with the
> app A otherwise", then I say the reason to use another app just because
> the current app will have shut down one of three ways to ask for help,
> is really, really radical thing to do and doesn't make any sense to me.
> Again, just my opinion, likely due to my misunderstanding of you.
> 
> Side note: discussing alternatives for random apps here is an off topic
> for this list by all means. Please, do not diverge from the intent of
> the mailing list.

Hi Milan,

I will continue using Evolution, since no replacement for Evolution is
to my taste.

However, if I can replace apps associated with the Gnome foundation I
will do this. The latest step in the wrong direction, migration to a
gamification forum with an announcement four light years away and
another one 11 days before the final curtain falls, isn't the only
reason, but it is the straw to break the camel's back.

You might have noticed that some developers started a migration from Gtk
to Qt already a long time ago. Probably all of them had a reason to
chose Gtk in the first place and they most likely dislike to migrate to
Qt, but it is what it is.

Btw. for good reasons I'm not using a desktop environment. I'm using a
window manager and portions from different desktop environments. I
dislike to replace one portion by another portion, but it's less
radical, than being bound to a desktop environment (the same applies to
operating systems or apps). I'm quite flexible, not radical. Sometimes
I've got the impression that staying with operating systems,
environments, apps tends to be similar to fundamentalism. This approach
seems to me way more radical than my approach is.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Bret Busby]

On 25/10/22 15:42, Ralf via groups.io wrote:

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:43 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote:

Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at

https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
https://groups.io/g/gimp-users



Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and,
I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set
them up to be as temporary facilities.

The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists
that are being shut down.


Hi,

thank you again for your efforts.

The Evolution mailing list at Gnome has around 850 subscribers, hence
groups.io can't be a non-transient solution for this list.



I think that we should wait and see what happens.

So far, the membership numbers for the gimp and evolution users mailing 
lists that I set up at groups.io, are 14 and 28, respectively.


When a mailing list is shut down, some go one way, and, others choose to 
go other ways.


When the  about 57,000 rootsweb,com mailing lists were shut down by 
ancestry.com, after taking over rootsweb.com, many of the list 
administrators created replacement lists at groups.io .


In the migration, some people went to the replacement groups.io lists 
that were set up to replace the rootsweb,com mailing lists, some went to 
google groups, some went other ways, and, others just gave up.


Whilst some lists had hundreds of members at rootsweb.com, the 
replacements lists at groups.io, for some of those lists, ended up 
having less than a hundred subscribers.


Some lists at rootsweb.com, were merged into consolidated lists at 
groups.io, so that, for example, one list at groups.io, that now has 
slightly less than 100 subscribers, was a merge of three or four lists, 
that had about 300-400 subscribers.


In any migration, whether it be mailing list subscribers, or wildebeest 
or kudzu or bison, losses will occur.


Some of the people on some of the gnome lists, are being quite vocal 
about all kinds of possibilities, but, seem to be doing nothing about 
any of the possibilities.


With the current membership numbers of the lists that I set up at 
groups.io, to replace the lists hosted at gnome.org, I expect that the 
number of subscribers on each, will not approach 100, as I believe that 
many people are simply giving up.


But, I will wait and see what happens.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..


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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 09:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> I'm not aware of software to my taste, that can replace Evolution for
> me and I used almost all known MUA software.

Hi,
I'm not sure I understand your message properly, I guess I do not, but
to express my own opinion: if the above means "if I cannot use a
mailing list for app A, I'm going to switch to another app B, which
does similar things as app A, even I'm particularly satisfied with the
app A otherwise", then I say the reason to use another app just because
the current app will have shut down one of three ways to ask for help,
is really, really radical thing to do and doesn't make any sense to me.
Again, just my opinion, likely due to my misunderstanding of you.

Side note: discussing alternatives for random apps here is an off topic
for this list by all means. Please, do not diverge from the intent of
the mailing list.

Thanks and bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:43 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote:
> > Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at
> > 
> > https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
> > https://groups.io/g/gimp-users
> > 
> 
> Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and, 
> I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set 
> them up to be as temporary facilities.
> 
> The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists 
> that are being shut down.

Hi,

thank you again for your efforts.

The Evolution mailing list at Gnome has around 850 subscribers, hence
groups.io can't be a non-transient solution for this list.

While I'm not against donations, I consider donations as a last resort,
that should be avoided. The day we spend more money for donations, to
keep FLOSS alive, than we spend for one time purchases to get
proprietary software and free as in beer lifetime support, FLOSS is dead
anyway.

Somebody mentioned a proprietary replacement for Gimp, while I mentioned
another FLOSS project for Gimp. I can't speak for this other person, but
only for myself. It was not meant as trolling.

Actually I'm using both, the proprietary software mentioned by this
other person and the FLOSS software mentioned by me. I migrated a long
time ago from Gimp to those other solutions and a few more for other
reasons and I never bothered anybody by recommending to do the same.

Mentioning an alternative was done due to the step made by the GNOME
foundation, to drop the mailing lists without providing a reasonable
replacement. I'm not completely pissed off by a forum, I'm completely
pissed of by a forum with gamification.

The other FLOSS software I mentioned (Krita) provides a mailing list.

Btw. for those who are not only in pixel graphic, for photography there
are anyway IMO way better solutions available, FLOSS as well as
proprietary, to see just a few, take a look at
https://lensfun.github.io/usage/ . IMO a plugin for Gimp still doesn't
make it a good app for photography. YMMV!

I'm not aware of software to my taste, that can replace Evolution for me
and I used almost all known MUA software.

While I'm not a MC user, for this purpose I'm in favour of command line
with bashisms, I doubt that there's a replacement available for MC.

As GUI editor I replaced Gedit for other reasons a long time ago by
Pluma and Pluma by Xed and I even used Kate and similar. However, I
never joined a mailing list for any of these editors.

In a nutshell:

IMO a free as in beer mailing list is useful for some apps and I expect
it should be able to hold way more than 100 subscribers and not be
limited to 1 GiB.

Apart from replacing a dropped mailing list by a new mailing list
another workaround/solution could be replacing an app by another app.
For me and for some other users replacing a mailing list by Discourse is
no option. 

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] [evolution-users] What do I do now?

[Bret Busby]

On 25/10/22 10:18, Ralf via groups.io wrote:

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 08:31 +0800, Luigi via evolution-list wrote:

Since we only have a few days left may I suggest the group focus on
putting forwards what options we have and those actually doing the
work can decide the best choice and we go for it (even if its not
perfect).


Hi,

Savannah was also mentioned by the MC mailing list (IIRC not for the
mailing list, but for tickets).
https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/WhyChooseSavannah/

On the Gimp mailing list there was a pointer to
https://www.tuxfamily.org/en/about .

It would be nice if former gnome.org mailing lists migrate to the same
new location.

Temporarily we can continue to think about how to proceed at

https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
https://groups.io/g/gimp-users

IMO Savanna is a quite good idea, but FWIW Midnight Commander, Gimp,
Gedit and Evolution have got BSD ports, too.

Regards,
Ralf



Just to clarify - when I set up the replacement lists at groups.io (and, 
I have set up another one, for a different gnome product), I did not set 
them up to be as temporary facilities.


The lists were set up to replace the applicable gnome.org mailing lists 
that are being shut down.


Of course, as I said in the messages announcing these lists, that I 
posted to the gnome.org mailing lists, it is up to you, to choose what 
you do.


So, if you choose to leave the lists that I have set up to replace the 
gnome.org mailing lists that are being shut down, that is your choice.


The lists that I have set up to replace the gnome.org mailing lists that 
are being shut down, are, and will be, available, if you choose to use 
them for seeking support for, and otherwise (appropriately) discussing 
the applicable software packages to which the lists relate.


So, I did not set up these lists at groups.io, with the intent of them 
having an expiry date.


They are there, for use for the purpose for which they were set up, as 
defined in the list description of each list that I set up.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 21:08 -0400, Ken Wright via evolution-list wrote:
> I Googled how to install the most recent Flatpak,
> and it appears to be working properly now.

Hi,
it would be still good to know what caused Evolution to freeze. I
understood from your description that the app is not crashing, but it's
frozen. That's slightly different thing. You can check what Evolution
is doing (or what it is waiting for) when you run it under gdb. Ideally
have installed debug information packages for glib, gtk3, libsoup3,
evolution-data-server and evolution at least, then run:

   $ gdb evolution --ex r

from a terminal. Once you reproduce the problem, switch to the terminal
and press Ctrl+C, which will bring you to the gdb prompt, where you can
run gdb commands. Two interesting are:

   (gdb) bt
   (gdb) t a a bt

The first prints the backtrace of the current active thread, which
might be the main/UI thread, which is blocked, thus the app is
unresponsive for the desktop environment. The second prints backtrace
for all threads, which gives a little idea what the app is doing.
Please check the output for any private information, like passwords,
email addresses, server addresses,... I usually search for "pass" at
least (quotes for clarity only), before sharing it anywhere.

You can either "continue" to keep the evolution running, or you can
quit gdb with the "quit" command.

Preceding lines from the gdb run can contain related information too,
in a form of runtime warnings printed in the terminal. It's not those
"Thread Created" nor "Thread Exited", which are printed by the gdb and
whose is there a lot for sure.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Mark Stanton]

On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 10:23 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 19:58 -0400, Ken Wright wrote:
> > On 2022-10-21 19:45, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > 
> 
> The problem with fixing things at the source level is that unless
> it's
> a security bug, it often takes a while to filter through to updates
> to
> apps in distros. 
> 
> P.

Switch to Fedora 8-)
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> Replying to myself:  I Googled how to install the most recent Flatpak,
> and it appears to be working properly now.  Thanks, Pete, for pointing
> me in the right direction!
> 
Flatpak Evo versions have got much better recently, but you still need
to realise that they run in their own sandbox and don't interact the
same as native apps. But if it works for you, go for it, but there can
be different issues.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Pete Biggs]

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 19:58 -0400, Ken Wright wrote:
> On 2022-10-21 19:45, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > 
> > > I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a
> > > sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's
> > > obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware 
> > > geek,
> > > not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  
> > > Further
> > > details upon request.
> > > 
> > There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version.  You
> > don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like
> > 
> >  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308
> > 
> > which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter down
> > to the distros.
> 
> Okay, you may now mock the hardware geek, because nothing at that link 
> made the slightest bit of sense to me.

No mocking from me - I would much rather be bit blasting I2C hardware.

> 
> Now, let me describe the crash.  It starts with the program stopping, 
> and after a minute or two I get the option to Wait or Force Quit.  If I 
> Wait, I get the same message again a few seconds later.  Force Quit does 
> what it says it will, and terminates the program.

You need to start Evolution from the command line and it will show the
errors.

> 
> If the problem was fixed a week ago, is there a Flatpak I can install 
> that works?  I can continue using RoundCube if I need to, but I'd rather 
> use Evo.
> 
The problem with fixing things at the source level is that unless it's
a security bug, it often takes a while to filter through to updates to
apps in distros. 

P.



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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Ken Wright via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 19:58 -0400, Ken Wright via evolution-list wrote:
> On 2022-10-21 19:45, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > 
> > > I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all
> > > of a sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo
> > > crashing.  There's obviously something wrong in the installation,
> > > but I'm a hardwaregeek, not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any
> > > light on this issue?  
> > > Further details upon request.
> > > 
> > There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version. 
> > You don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like
> > 
> >  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308
> > 
> > which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter
> > down to the distros.
> 
> Okay, you may now mock the hardware geek, because nothing at that
> link made the slightest bit of sense to me.
> 
> Now, let me describe the crash.  It starts with the program stopping,
> and after a minute or two I get the option to Wait or Force Quit.  If
> I Wait, I get the same message again a few seconds later.  Force Quit
> does what it says it will, and terminates the program.
> 
> If the problem was fixed a week ago, is there a Flatpak I can install
> that works?  I can continue using RoundCube if I need to, but I'd
> rather use Evo.

Replying to myself:  I Googled how to install the most recent Flatpak,
and it appears to be working properly now.  Thanks, Pete, for pointing
me in the right direction!

Ken
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Ken Wright via evolution-list]

On 2022-10-21 19:45, Pete Biggs wrote:


I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a
sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's
obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware 
geek,
not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  
Further

details upon request.


There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version.  You
don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308

which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter down
to the distros.


Okay, you may now mock the hardware geek, because nothing at that link 
made the slightest bit of sense to me.


Now, let me describe the crash.  It starts with the program stopping, 
and after a minute or two I get the option to Wait or Force Quit.  If I 
Wait, I get the same message again a few seconds later.  Force Quit does 
what it says it will, and terminates the program.


If the problem was fixed a week ago, is there a Flatpak I can install 
that works?  I can continue using RoundCube if I need to, but I'd rather 
use Evo.


Ken
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a 
> sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's 
> obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware geek, 
> not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  Further 
> details upon request.
> 
There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version.  You
don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308

which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter down
to the distros.

P.

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[Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

[Ken Wright via evolution-list]

This is a hell of a time for this to happen, but I suppose better now 
than in two weeks.


I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a 
sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's 
obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware geek, 
not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  Further 
details upon request.


Ken Wright
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution doing a lot of network traffic to/from Exchange

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 13:00 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> Every so often I notice that there is a huge amount of network
> traffic to/from my system, it can last for quite a while (hour+)

Hi,
most of the operations run on the Evolution side (related to mail) can
be seen in the status bar or when the "stop everything" button on the
far right of the Mail view's toolbar is enabled/sensitive. It doesn't
catch everything, but many operations it does.

> I have "Check for new messages" set to 5 min.

Depending where you connect to, when you've enabled "Listen for server
change notifications" and the Exchange server supports it, you do not
need that often checking. Nonetheless, the check should be relatively
small chunk of data, as the code asks "what did change since the last
time I asked" (the "last time I asked" is a sync tag, which can get
quite long over time) and the server returns what changed, if anything.
That's done for each folder.

> Could it be something with the GAL?

As Tim said, it depends how you've setup it. If you use offline GAL
(mail account Properties->Receiving Options tab), then the evolution-
addressbook-factory process checks for the GAL changes and updates its
local copy if needed.

When talking about GAL, open its Properties in the Contacts view. There
is an option to download contact photos. Maybe turn it off. If your GAL
is large, it can take a long time to get (or to fail to get) the photo
for every user in it.

> Is there any way to figure out what is going on here?

You can kill the flatpak evolution (with all its background processes -
there should not be any /app/ in `ps ax | grep evolution`) and then run
it from a terminal as:

   $ EWS_DEBUG=2 flatpak run org.gnome.Evolution

It'll show what the evolution-ews is doing and what the server is
returning. You won't see which process does it, all of them will be
mixed together, but you can at least see the operations it's issuing
towards the server. That may give a clue.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution doing a lot of network traffic to/from Exchange

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-10-12 at 13:00 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> Could it be something with the GAL?

It depends on if you have the GAL being synced with the local machine
or not. What are your settings? Is it set not to sync with the GAL? 

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[Evolution] Evolution doing a lot of network traffic to/from Exchange

[Paul Smith]

Hi all;

Every so often I notice that there is a huge amount of network traffic
to/from my system, it can last for quite a while (hour+)

I started up nethogs and I can see that the traffic is between
Evolution and the Exchange server on my system, via port 443 (HTTPS) of
course.  I mean, things like 35 KB/sec upload and 90-110 KB/s download.

I'm not doing anything much with Evolution during this time, just
normal stuff, and I have "Check for new messages" set to 5 min.  Could
it be something with the GAL?  Or something else?

Is there any way to figure out what is going on here?

I'm using Evolution 3.46 (but I've seen this with 3.44 as well I'm
sure) from flatpak, running on Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome 3.36.8 native.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution import

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-10-05 at 20:09 +0100, Dennis Harvey via evolution-list
wrote:
> What do I need to be able to import data from a single file which has
> 3 column csv format?  I always get the first column imported into the
> first 2 columns in Evolution contacts and nothing in the third
> column.

Hi,
what do those three columns contain, please? Does the first line
contain names of the fields the columns correspond to? You can choose
between three different CSV formats during import, each producing a
slightly different output, depending on the file content.

Recognized column names can be seen here:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/blob/master/src/addressbook/importers/evolution-csv-importer.c#L97

Ideally, you process the CSV file with a script and convert it to a
vCard file, where you assign columns to exact fields in the vCard
format (you can create a contact with filled values in the needed
fields in Evolution, then right-click the contact and pick "Save as
vCard...", then open the file and see what should be written where).
The UID is supposed to be globally unique for each contact.
Bye,
Milan

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[Evolution] Evolution import

[Dennis Harvey via evolution-list]

What do I need to be able to import data from a single file which has 3
column csv format?  I always get the first column imported into the
first 2 columns in Evolution contacts and nothing in the third column.
Thanks

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Re: [Evolution] evolution keeps asking to recover drafts

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> "Do you want to recover unfinished message?
> 
> Evolutions quit unexpectedly while you were composing a new message. 
> Recovering the message will allow youto continue where you left off."
> 
> I want neither and that's why I saved it as a draft - I didn't "quit
> unexpectedly".
> 
> This is very annoying. There is a report of this happening with other
> users here:
> 
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/1972

Did you read through that bug report?


It was closed as "Not Gnome" by Milan - it appears to be an Ubuntu
specific bug and is filed at 

  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1983794

The Ubuntu people are working on a fix, but it isn't fixed yet. It's
not an issue with Evolution per se.

P.
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[Evolution] evolution keeps asking to recover drafts

[Jeffs Chips via evolution-list]

Hello,


Whenever I create a message and save it as a draft, then close the
message, upon next startup of evolution, evolutions keeps asking this
question:

"Do you want to recover unfinished message?

Evolutions quit unexpectedly while you were composing a new message. 
Recovering the message will allow youto continue where you left off."

I want neither and that's why I saved it as a draft - I didn't "quit
unexpectedly".

This is very annoying. There is a report of this happening with other
users here:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/1972
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution or dbus issue ?

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-09-13 at 16:57 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-
list wrote:
> However, now I'm seeing  the link open is the already running
> instance of Brave as well as a completely new
> instance of Brave being started.

Hi,
there's not involved the D-Bus in this, well, with Flatpak there can,
but not that much, only to pass the request from the sandbox to the
host system through a portal.

You should get quite similar results when you run from a terminal:

   $ xdg-open https://www.gnome.org/

You can run it from the Flatpak sandbox too, it's in two steps:

   $ flatpak run --command=sh org.gnome.Evolution
   $ xdg-open https://www.gnome.org/

Evolution 3.44.4 had been released on 2022-08-05, almost 6 weeks ago,
and it had been updated on the Flathub.org site shortly afterwards. I
doubt anything will change when you downgrade to 3.44.3, because there
were only minimal changes in the 3.44.4, none related to the link
opening. It's more likely some of the background libraries changed, my
guess would be the glib library, which is used for these things in the
code. Even the portal could change on the host machine (check updates
of the xdg-desktop-portal* packages). Browsers have settings to open
links in a new tab or in a new window, though in your case it's weird
to have it open in both.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution or dbus issue ?

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

   A. On Tue, 2022-09-13 at 16:57 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via
  evolution-list wrote:
> Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
> Linux Mint 20.3 Una
> Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
> Default browser:  Brave
> 
> For the last couple of weeks, I have been seeing a new behavior while
> using Evolution.  Previous when I open
> a link in Evolution, it would open in the default browser as a new
> tab (browser is always open).
> 
> However, now I'm seeing  the link open is the already running
> instance of Brave as well as a completely new
> instance of Brave being started.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?    Is this a new quirk in Evolution or a bug
> in dbus?
> 
> Thanks
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Yes and I'm on 3.45.3-2 and Kernel 5.19. It happens with Firefox and
Chromium as well. But it's intermittent. Debian Bookworm (btw)
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution or dbus issue ?

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 02:33 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> On 2022-09-13 at 16:57 -0500, Anonymous Japhering wrote:
> > Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
> > Linux Mint 20.3 Una
> > Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
> > Default browser:  Brave
> > 
> > For the last couple of weeks, I have been seeing a new behavior
> > while
> > using Evolution.  Previous when I open
> > a link in Evolution, it would open in the default browser as a new
> > tab (browser is always open).
> > 
> > However, now I'm seeing  the link open is the already running
> > instance of Brave as well as a completely new
> > instance of Brave being started.
> > 
> > Anyone else seeing this?    Is this a new quirk in Evolution or a
> > bug
> > in dbus?
> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> When you open a new link, the program (evolution here) will -af ter
> sme
> indirections- launch a new copy of your browser (here, brave), which
> would detect it is already running and open the link on a new
> window/tab in the exiting window.
> 
> The flatpak sandbox may be confusing brave.

It is more like Flatpak is confused.   As both a new Brave window
opens, but the link is opened
in the existing Brave.  It is like  Flatpak  see a link click .. starts
a new instance of the default
browser before checking to see if one is already running and then
checks, detects the original
instance of the browser and had hands the link to the original
instance.

> 
> Your problem seems quite similar to 
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-August/msg00107.html
> but in the opposite way.

I don't see it .   This is about Chrome not opening a mailto: link when
the default mail client is
set to Evolution

> Are you also using wayland?

No, I am not.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.44.4 signature script not working

[Andre Truter]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 00:37 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> On 2022-09-13 at 20:45 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
> > Hallo,
> > 
> > I installed evolution 3.44.4 using the Flatpak from Flathub.org on
> > OpenSUSE Leap 15.3. (The distro version is 3.34, but that does not
> > work with Google Calender and addressbook)
> > 
> > I exported by config from 3.34 and then imported it again in 3.44.
> > Everything seems to be working fine, except my signature script.
> > 
> > I ran evolution from the command line to see what errors are
> > printed
> > and it complains about the signature directory that does not exist,
> > but it does.
> (...)
> 
> 
> Hello André
> 
> Flatpaks do not have access to the full filesystem, they see a
> different filesystem (similar to a chroot or a docker container).
> Thus,
> evolution inside a flatpak does not have access to your script
> 
> I think that moving it into /home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/
> it will be visible to the flatpak app (you will need to adjust the
> paths)
> 
> You can use flatpak enter to enter into that mount namespace.
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> 
Hi Angel,

Now it works!
I moved my signature script folder to
/home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/.

Problem solved.

Thank you!
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution or dbus issue ?

[Ángel]

On 2022-09-13 at 16:57 -0500, Anonymous Japhering wrote:
> Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
> Linux Mint 20.3 Una
> Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
> Default browser:  Brave
> 
> For the last couple of weeks, I have been seeing a new behavior while
> using Evolution.  Previous when I open
> a link in Evolution, it would open in the default browser as a new
> tab (browser is always open).
> 
> However, now I'm seeing  the link open is the already running
> instance of Brave as well as a completely new
> instance of Brave being started.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?Is this a new quirk in Evolution or a bug
> in dbus?
> 
> Thanks

When you open a new link, the program (evolution here) will -af ter sme
indirections- launch a new copy of your browser (here, brave), which
would detect it is already running and open the link on a new
window/tab in the exiting window.

The flatpak sandbox may be confusing brave.

Your problem seems quite similar to 
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-August/msg00107.html
but in the opposite way.
Are you also using wayland?




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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.44.4 signature script not working

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 00:37 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> On 2022-09-13 at 20:45 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
> > Hallo,
> > 
> > I installed evolution 3.44.4 using the Flatpak from Flathub.org on
> > OpenSUSE Leap 15.3. (The distro version is 3.34, but that does not
> > work with Google Calender and addressbook)
> > 
> > I exported by config from 3.34 and then imported it again in 3.44.
> > Everything seems to be working fine, except my signature script.
> > 
> > I ran evolution from the command line to see what errors are
> > printed
> > and it complains about the signature directory that does not exist,
> > but it does.
> (...)
> 
> 
> Hello André
> 
> Flatpaks do not have access to the full filesystem, they see a
> different filesystem (similar to a chroot or a docker container).
> Thus,
> evolution inside a flatpak does not have access to your script
> 
> I think that moving it into /home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/
> it will be visible to the flatpak app (you will need to adjust the
> paths)
> 
> You can use flatpak enter to enter into that mount namespace.
> 

Or you can install flatseal and configure any paths you want .


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.44.4 signature script not working

[Ángel]

On 2022-09-13 at 20:45 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> I installed evolution 3.44.4 using the Flatpak from Flathub.org on
> OpenSUSE Leap 15.3. (The distro version is 3.34, but that does not
> work with Google Calender and addressbook)
> 
> I exported by config from 3.34 and then imported it again in 3.44.
> Everything seems to be working fine, except my signature script.
> 
> I ran evolution from the command line to see what errors are printed
> and it complains about the signature directory that does not exist,
> but it does.
(...)


Hello André

Flatpaks do not have access to the full filesystem, they see a
different filesystem (similar to a chroot or a docker container). Thus,
evolution inside a flatpak does not have access to your script

I think that moving it into /home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/
it will be visible to the flatpak app (you will need to adjust the paths)

You can use flatpak enter to enter into that mount namespace.


Kind regards


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[Evolution] Evolution or dbus issue ?

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
Linux Mint 20.3 Una
Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
Default browser:  Brave

For the last couple of weeks, I have been seeing a new behavior while
using Evolution.  Previous when I open
a link in Evolution, it would open in the default browser as a new tab
(browser is always open).

However, now I'm seeing  the link open is the already running instance
of Brave as well as a completely new
instance of Brave being started.

Anyone else seeing this?    Is this a new quirk in Evolution or a bug
in dbus?

Thanks
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[Evolution] Evolution 3.44.4 signature script not working

[Andre Truter]

Hallo,

I installed evolution 3.44.4 using the Flatpak from Flathub.org on
OpenSUSE Leap 15.3. (The distro version is 3.34, but that does not work
with Google Calender and addressbook)

I exported by config from 3.34 and then imported it again in 3.44.
Everything seems to be working fine, except my signature script.

I ran evolution from the command line to see what errors are printed
and it complains about the signature directory that does not exist, but
it does.

This is the messages in the terminal:


/home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/config/evolution/signatures/1119988152.14239.2@vitalstatistix
: line 5: cd: /home/andre/signature: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access '*.inc': No such file or directory
ls: cannot access '*.inc': No such file or directory
cat: basic.sig: No such file or directory


But the directory exist:

andre@vitalstatistix:~/signature> pwd
/home/andre/signature


And if I run the signature script in a terminal, it works:

andre@vitalstatistix:~>
/home/andre/.var/app/org.gnome.Evolution/config/evolution/signatures/1119988152.14239.2@vitalstatistix
Andre Truter  | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282
Jabber: andre.tru...@gmail.com|  
http://track.smtpsendemail.com/9098234/c?p=YMlHL5QF5CQ4Ha_bxqRhTgzI3Eyj1vSJoKjnOOqEl3zIRnBd9EZGbaemylyYY7EO1ZhXNXdtQpSMJlpxQ7Gh2nBkK1TscqSJXW0X4xYHWeIN1gVmc3qIpSNQgkZ9xlksunNLGu5hlHZsfyq79cpmiQ==

~ My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. ~
andre@vitalstatistix:~> 


So it only fails when run by Evolution.
Any ideas as to why it cannot access my signature folder?

I also tried to edit the signature setup in Evolution, but when I try
to open the file browser to select the script, nothing happens.
I get this error in the terminal:


(evolution.bin:26): evolution-util-CRITICAL **: 19:41:27.269:
e_mail_signature_script_dialog_set_symlink_target: assertion
'symlink_target != NULL' failed

(evolution.bin:26): GLib-CRITICAL **: 19:41:29.291:
g_variant_new_string: assertion 'string != NULL' failed

(evolution.bin:26): Gtk-WARNING **: 19:41:29.293: Can't open portal
file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.InvalidArgument:
invalid filter: no filters

(process:345): Gtk-WARNING **: 19:51:34.343: Locale not supported by C
library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.
Gtk-Message: 19:51:34.343: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"


Thanks
Andre Truter
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution hangs with Generating message list

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-08-23 at 09:06 -0700, Don Phillips via evolution-list
wrote:
> Any troubleshooting suggestions would be appreciated.

Hi,
you'd need to install debug info packages for the evolution and
evolution-data-server (usual suffix is `-dbg` in Ubuntu, though they
have it split into several packages [1]), then you can get backtrace of
the stuck Evolution to see what it is trying to do. Maybe it's waiting
on something, maybe you've set to search "in All Accounts" or any such
thing, which is time consuming.

You can get the backtrace with a command like this:

   $ gdb --batch --ex "t a a bt" --pid=`pidof evolution` &>bt.txt

Please check the bt.txt for any private information, like passwords,
email addresses, server addresses,... I usually search for "pass" at
least (quotes for clarity only), before sharing it anywhere.

By the way, when you say evo is stuck, is it completely unusable and
trying to interact with it results in no response or you can move to
another folder and it will eventually show its content in the message
list?

Please note that 3.36.x is rather old. It's possible there had been
fixed what you face, but without the backtrace it's not known for sure.

Bye,
Milan

[1] https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jammy-updates/gnome/evolution-data-server
https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jammy-updates/gnome/evolution

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[Evolution] Evolution hangs with Generating message list

[Don Phillips via evolution-list]

Hi all,

I've been using evolution for more years than I'd care to count, across
multiple OSes

My primary laptop is running Ubuntu:

uname -a
Linux  5.15.0-41-generic #44-0.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 24
13:27:29 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 GU/Linux

My version of Evolution is:

3.36.5-0ubuntu1

About six months ago, after applying various system updates, evolution
started hanging while displaying 

Generating message list

in the notifications bar.

Clicking on various inboxes will produce a synching message to the
right of the message list message.

No message lists (or messages) are displayed.

I backed up evolution and moved it to my backup laptop (where I'm
writing from now.)

On this laptop (same version of evolution, ubuntu 5.15.0-46-generic
#49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 4 19:15:44 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
GNU/Linux), evolution has been working for many months and through many
system upgrades.

I don't see anything interesting in syslog, so no failures are being
reported by evolution.

Any troubleshooting suggestions would be appreciated.

Best,
Don Phillips
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 10:33 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 04:10 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> > On 2022-08-16 at 23:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial
> > > to
> > > tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
> > > future reference. You might also look at *why* your mail is being
> > > classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it
> > > as
> > > such?
> > 
> > Actually, I would consider this a weak point of gmail. As a
> > receiver,
> > you don't know why a message is considered spam (compare that with
> > a
> > system like SpamAssassin, where you can view the scoring of the
> > different modules), and even Google itself would often be unable to
> > determine why the ML engine considered it bad.
> 
> This is getting way of topic, but ...
> 
> My work uses Microsoft O365.  We have similar issues with bad spam
> filtering at times, including it binning internal mailing list mails.
> The mail admins have tried to get some insight into the spam
> classification process so that we can get some idea how to avoid it,
> but MS won't talk about it because it's proprietary confidential
> information. At first glance that's a "typical big brother" attitude,
> but they say that if the spam classification algorithms are known,
> spammers will just craft emails to get around them, which I can
> understand.  I wonder if Gmail has the same sort of thinking on it.
> 
> BTW, we think the reason the mailing list mails were being spam
> binned
> was because we have a very very large userbase (big university, lots
> of
> staff and students), with some compulsory lists for communication.
> All
> it takes is for people to blindly click on "I don't want to see this
> sort of mail any more" thinking it gets them off the list, whereas it
> just increases the spam score and eventually - actually quickly -
> gets
> our mailing list servers globally sunk.

We once had our entire university blacklisted because someone (a
student I think) had spammed some list somewhere. This was years ago
(before we started using G Suite) but it took a deal of effort to have
it corrected.

There is no magic bullet for dealing with spam.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 04:10 +0200, Ángel wrote:
> On 2022-08-16 at 23:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial to
> > tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
> > future reference. You might also look at *why* your mail is being
> > classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as
> > such?
> 
> Actually, I would consider this a weak point of gmail. As a receiver,
> you don't know why a message is considered spam (compare that with a
> system like SpamAssassin, where you can view the scoring of the
> different modules), and even Google itself would often be unable to
> determine why the ML engine considered it bad.

This is getting way of topic, but ...

My work uses Microsoft O365.  We have similar issues with bad spam
filtering at times, including it binning internal mailing list mails.
The mail admins have tried to get some insight into the spam
classification process so that we can get some idea how to avoid it,
but MS won't talk about it because it's proprietary confidential
information. At first glance that's a "typical big brother" attitude,
but they say that if the spam classification algorithms are known,
spammers will just craft emails to get around them, which I can
understand.  I wonder if Gmail has the same sort of thinking on it.

BTW, we think the reason the mailing list mails were being spam binned
was because we have a very very large userbase (big university, lots of
staff and students), with some compulsory lists for communication. All
it takes is for people to blindly click on "I don't want to see this
sort of mail any more" thinking it gets them off the list, whereas it
just increases the spam score and eventually - actually quickly - gets
our mailing list servers globally sunk.

P.




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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ángel]

On 2022-08-16 at 23:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial to
> tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
> future reference. You might also look at *why* your mail is being
> classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as
> such?

Actually, I would consider this a weak point of gmail. As a receiver,
you don't know why a message is considered spam (compare that with a
system like SpamAssassin, where you can view the scoring of the
different modules), and even Google itself would often be unable to
determine why the ML engine considered it bad.

Sometimes Gmail provides some reasons, like "This message is similar to
other spam messages", but (a) They are generic explanations, not always
matching the underlying one and (b) They can be completely false (such
as claiming as similar a message that is completely unique). Which is
not to deny that it is a powerful spam filter.

Finally, you have the option to create filters that exclude messages
from being marked as spam. However, I have seen accounts with a
wildcard "do not mark as spam" rule, with messages getting classified
as spam (they _were_ spam, but still…) so, at least in the past, Gmail
was overriding the filters in some cases, so it was not really "under
the control of the receiver".


Regards


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ángel]

On 2022-08-16 at 12:30 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 12:22:55 Andre Klapper pisze:
> > On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> > > There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account
> > > (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from 
> > > account
> > > B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
> > > forwarding.
> > 
> > That resembles http://www.xkcd.com/1172/
> 
> You may laugh, but many people actually do use this.
> 
> This is even recommended by some "deliverability specialists" as a better(!)
> alternative to forwarding (especially to Gmail), because forwarding breaks
> SPF (or SPF breaks forwarding - it depends how do you view that issue) and
> sending a lot of messages with failed SPF may decrease the reputation of the
> sending server on the receiving end.

Well, even if you are able to forward account B to gmail account A,
Google may decide to reject a portion of those at SMTP time, so the
"solution" is to point account A to *also* fetch the emails from B
through POP, so they end up downloaded in that other way.
Corporate version does have an option to trust a sender MTA as part of
your organization (at the org level, I think), but normal users have to
use this kind of duct tape. 

For extra fun: Gmail will also perform "SPF checks" on those POP-
downloaded mails and decide on whether they are spam or not based on
the (sometimes quite wrong) IP addresses it guesses…


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2022-08-17 at 00:52 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 23:24:37 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > 
> > Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial
> > to
> > tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
> > future reference.
> 
> It does not. Myself I have two test accounts on Gmail, I send myself
> mail
> from time to time to these accounts, mark it as non-spam, yet next
> messages
> are again going to spam.
> 
> > You might also look at *why* your mail is being
> > classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as
> > such?
> 
> All this has been already tried and discussed countless times. I have
> written a lot about this on "mailop" mailing list. It is going on for
> more
> that two years now. I don't want to start this discussion again here,
> as it
> is just pointless

I agree. There's clearly a complex situation here and I don't pretend
to understand it.

> > The number of false positives I've had is so small that I actually
> > never bother to check my spam folder any more as there's no point.
> 
> And that's the problem for people like me who get "punished" for
> don't-know-what by Google - people like you, who believe that "Google
> just
> can't be wrong", so there's no sense in checking the spam folder.

I didn't (and don't) say that Google can't be wrong. Clearly it's using
heuristics for spam filtering, and heuristics are never perfect. What I
do say is that *in my experience* it's not worth checking the spam
folder because *for me* it actually does work very well. IOW the
probability of a false positive is so low that I have decided that it's
not worth the effort.

It's perhaps worth remembering that email is "unreliable" (in the sense
that it's not guaranteed to be reliable). We often forget this because
in practice it actually is very reliable. Until it isn't. Checking or
not checking a spam folder should be seen in that context.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 23:24:37 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> 
> Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial to
> tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
> future reference.

It does not. Myself I have two test accounts on Gmail, I send myself mail
from time to time to these accounts, mark it as non-spam, yet next messages
are again going to spam.

> You might also look at *why* your mail is being
> classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as
> such?

All this has been already tried and discussed countless times. I have
written a lot about this on "mailop" mailing list. It is going on for more
that two years now. I don't want to start this discussion again here, as it
is just pointless. Believe me, I have tried everything that was possible. 
I even managed to contact some guy from Google via that list, who - although
not directly (if he admitted that directly, he'd probably been fired) -
confirmed that it just works so and they can't do anything about it.

Also when I described my problem, several other people wrote that they're
experiencing exactly the same.

It's a domain reputation thing. The main issue is they don't take into
account that "eu.org" is a public domain like ".com" or ".net" and anybody
can register their domain under *.eu.org. They just consider the whole
"eu.org" to be one domain, so if there are any spams from any *.eu.org
domain, it counts towards the whole "eu.org" domain. This is nonsense as
this is exactly the same as if a few spamming *.com domains damaged the
reputation of any other *.com domain - but it's just how Google works and
they don't plan to change it.

The only thing that works for me is sending from another domain. And I do it
sometimes if I want to be sure my mail gets delivered to Google. But this is
actually like admitting defeat in fight with this moloch that Google is. My
original mail address has become unusable with regard to sending to Google -
I have to use another one.

> The number of false positives I've had is so small that I actually
> never bother to check my spam folder any more as there's no point.

And that's the problem for people like me who get "punished" for
don't-know-what by Google - people like you, who believe that "Google just
can't be wrong", so there's no sense in checking the spam folder. Yes, it
*can* be wrong, yes, it *is* wrong so many times that the number *is*
significant for some senders. Or for some recipients, as my other example
with the organization's account shows. How do you explain that mail from
random Google accounts, send first time to our organization's account (also
at Gmail), land with ca. 50% probability in spam? Here at least actually I'm
in control and I can just regularly check the spam folder for messages that
shouldn't be there (and I do). With sending, I have no option other than
use a different email address.
-- 
Regards,
   Jaroslaw Rafa
   r...@rafa.eu.org
--
"In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there
was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub."
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 23:45 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 22:37:23 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > And the free version of Gmail has by far the best spam filtering
> > I've
> > come across. In fact I don't even bother with Bogofilter or
> > Spamassassin any more.
> 
> Well, it's "too good". All mails from my address usually go to spam
> at
> Gmail, no matter what I try. I also manage some organization's mail
> account
> that is hosted on Gmail (free) and it happens regularly on that
> account that
> mails with questions from people who want to get involved with the
> organization land in spam folder. They even often are mails from
> other Gmail
> addresses!
> 
> I am sick of Gmail because of this.

Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial to
tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for
future reference. You might also look at *why* your mail is being
classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as
such?

The number of false positives I've had is so small that I actually
never bother to check my spam folder any more as there's no point.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 22:37:23 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> And the free version of Gmail has by far the best spam filtering I've
> come across. In fact I don't even bother with Bogofilter or
> Spamassassin any more.

Well, it's "too good". All mails from my address usually go to spam at
Gmail, no matter what I try. I also manage some organization's mail account
that is hosted on Gmail (free) and it happens regularly on that account that
mails with questions from people who want to get involved with the
organization land in spam folder. They even often are mails from other Gmail
addresses!

I am sick of Gmail because of this.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 17:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 11:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from
> > syncing
> > your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to
> > using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever
> > use
> > it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> my bad, I haven't read the whole thread.
> 
> I've got different "local" machines with different operating systems.
> Offline-IMAP can be a PITA and might be more or less impossible on
> some
> machines. Setting up a POP account is straightforward for power users
> as
> well as noobs. If only one MUA deletes the POP mails from the server,
> after n days, the mails are similar accessible by different MUAs as
> IMPA
> mails are, but without all the offline IMAP issues, such as
> duplicated
> emails. And as already pointed out by my riseup.net link, quota is an
> issue, maybe not for spoiled people, but for all those watching every
> penny.
> 
> Much likely we will easily find more "exceptional cases", such as the
> one mentioned by Jaroslaw Rafa. However, all of us are aware of
> common
> pitfalls of IMAP as well as POP. Why don't I see this or that folder?
> Spam filtering on the server vs on the machine, both has got pros and
> cons.
> 
> I will not convince anybody that POP is better than IMAP. The only
> point
> I make is that POP can be better than IMAP for some users under some
> circumstances.
> 

I agree that people's needs may be different.

> Nobody should fool around with gmail, despite of being in favour of
> POP or IMAP. No gmail, less problems.

I completely disagree with this last statement. The corporate version
of Gmail saved me a ton of headaches back when I ran my university's
mail service. In fact these days that service would simply not be able
to exist without it, because it's in a cash-strapped third world
country and simply cannot afford to run its own servers.

And the free version of Gmail has by far the best spam filtering I've
come across. In fact I don't even bother with Bogofilter or
Spamassassin any more.

YMMV of course, as to repeat: people's needs may be different.

This is starting to get off-topic so I suggest we agree to disagree.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> when I try to add this email address as a POP account, Evolution
> automatically turns it into a "gmail-type" account and reverts to
> IMAP syncing. 

Hi,
I tried it with 3.44.4 (which might be pretty much the same as your
3.44.3 in this regard, I think), and when I do:

File->New->Mail Account, fill in the Gmail address, click Next (with
the lookup enabled), then it auto-detects the settings and moves me to
the end of the wizard, where I click Back and change the IMAP to POP,
then just Next, choose whether leave the message on the server or not,
then Next, Next, ... back to the end of the wizard and there I leave
unchecked the boxes to add also Contacts and the Calendars/Task Lists
for this account (they had been checked after the autoconfig, but when
I switched to the POP it unchecked them on its own), then the POP type
sticks.

I guess the difference is the Contacts/Calendars/Task Lists, you
probably checked one or both of them, in which case you get a
collection account, which is fully managed by the evolution(-data-
server), which forces IMAP mail account type. Not using these two check
boxes creates bare account, which is completely up to you to setup
properly.

The help page [1] doesn't mention the detail about the check boxes, but
it also offers a different (completely manual) way of creating the POP
account.

Bye,
Milan

[1] 
https://infrastructure.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/help.gnome.org/evolution/mail-access-gmail-pop-account.html

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 11:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from syncing
> your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to
> using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever use
> it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.

Hi,

my bad, I haven't read the whole thread.

I've got different "local" machines with different operating systems.
Offline-IMAP can be a PITA and might be more or less impossible on some
machines. Setting up a POP account is straightforward for power users as
well as noobs. If only one MUA deletes the POP mails from the server,
after n days, the mails are similar accessible by different MUAs as IMPA
mails are, but without all the offline IMAP issues, such as duplicated
emails. And as already pointed out by my riseup.net link, quota is an
issue, maybe not for spoiled people, but for all those watching every
penny.

Much likely we will easily find more "exceptional cases", such as the
one mentioned by Jaroslaw Rafa. However, all of us are aware of common
pitfalls of IMAP as well as POP. Why don't I see this or that folder?
Spam filtering on the server vs on the machine, both has got pros and
cons.

I will not convince anybody that POP is better than IMAP. The only point
I make is that POP can be better than IMAP for some users under some
circumstances.

Nobody should fool around with gmail, despite of being in favour of POP
or IMAP. No gmail, less problems.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Hi,

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 08:30 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 22:57 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> 
> > I just want POP to work properly.
> 
> Help  Contents  Common Mail Questions and Problems  Access a
> Gmail POP Account via Evolution.

Thanks but that was the _first_ thing I tried.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 14:18 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 13:14:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > > Yes, I would concede that. I occasionally do that as it's a way
> > > of
> > > fetching mail *into* my Gmail account from another account.
> > > However
> > > that's a special case.
> > 
> > Just to add that this isn't an actual advantage of POP in itself.
> > It's
> > a "necessary evil" because Gmail doesn't support fetching via IMAP
> > from
> > a different service.
> 
> Technically yes, but it's a common default for POP to delete mail
> from server
> after fetching, while it's common default for IMAP to keep mail on
> the
> server (otherwise local and server mailbox wouldn't be in sync, which
> will
> cause trouble for a typical mail client), therefore POP seems better
> suited
> to that kind of operation than IMAP.

Agreed.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 13:14:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > Yes, I would concede that. I occasionally do that as it's a way of
> > fetching mail *into* my Gmail account from another account. However
> > that's a special case.
> 
> Just to add that this isn't an actual advantage of POP in itself. It's
> a "necessary evil" because Gmail doesn't support fetching via IMAP from
> a different service.

Technically yes, but it's a common default for POP to delete mail from server
after fetching, while it's common default for IMAP to keep mail on the
server (otherwise local and server mailbox wouldn't be in sync, which will
cause trouble for a typical mail client), therefore POP seems better suited
to that kind of operation than IMAP.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 13:10 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 11:12:12 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > > We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from
> > > syncing
> > > your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage
> > > to
> > > using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever
> > > use
> > > it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.
> > 
> > There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail
> > account
> > (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from
> > account
> > B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
> > forwarding.
> > 
> > If account A allows to configure fetching mail via POP from remote
> > accounts,
> > you can then configure some way of "forwarding" from B to A by
> > fetching mail
> > via POP.
> 
> Yes, I would concede that. I occasionally do that as it's a way of
> fetching mail *into* my Gmail account from another account. However
> that's a special case.

Just to add that this isn't an actual advantage of POP in itself. It's
a "necessary evil" because Gmail doesn't support fetching via IMAP from
a different service.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 11:12:12 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from
> > syncing
> > your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to
> > using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever
> > use
> > it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.
> 
> There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail
> account
> (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from
> account
> B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
> forwarding.
> 
> If account A allows to configure fetching mail via POP from remote
> accounts,
> you can then configure some way of "forwarding" from B to A by
> fetching mail
> via POP.

Yes, I would concede that. I occasionally do that as it's a way of
fetching mail *into* my Gmail account from another account. However
that's a special case.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 10:48 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list wrote:
> Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup
> file is not readable. 

Hi,
for what it's worth, I tried to restore from a backup created with
Evolution 3.40.x and also from 3.44.4, both in the 3.44.4, and there
was no problem reported with the tarball. I guess the file has got
corrupted somewhere/somehow.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 12:22:55 Andre Klapper via evolution-list pisze:
> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> > There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account
> > (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from account
> > B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
> > forwarding.
> 
> That resembles http://www.xkcd.com/1172/

You may laugh, but many people actually do use this.

This is even recommended by some "deliverability specialists" as a better(!)
alternative to forwarding (especially to Gmail), because forwarding breaks
SPF (or SPF breaks forwarding - it depends how do you view that issue) and
sending a lot of messages with failed SPF may decrease the reputation of the
sending server on the receiving end.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account
> (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from account
> B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
> forwarding.

That resembles http://www.xkcd.com/1172/

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 11:12:12 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from syncing
> your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to
> using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever use
> it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.

There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account
(A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from account
B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure
forwarding.

If account A allows to configure fetching mail via POP from remote accounts,
you can then configure some way of "forwarding" from B to A by fetching mail
via POP.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 09:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 19:59 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > > > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't
> > > > want
> > > > to keep anything in google's hands.
> > > Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. 
> > 
> > +1,000,000,000
> 
> Hi,
> 
> if the emails are on your machine, than Google can't deny access to
> your
> old, already received emails. If the emails are on a Google server,
> they
> can deny access to your old, already received emails. An authority
> might
> advice Google to deny access and Google might obey.

We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from syncing
your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to
using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever use
it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 09:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > On 16. Aug 2022, at 01:59, Adam Tauno Williams  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
> > NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
> > tells you otherwise.
> 
> One of the reasons is to relief email servers run for free as in beer by 
> activists.

PS: See https://riseup.net/en/email/clients
and https://riseup.net/en/email/settings/quota .
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 19:59 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't
> > > want
> > > to keep anything in google's hands.
> > Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. 
> 
> +1,000,000,000

Hi,

if the emails are on your machine, than Google can't deny access to your
old, already received emails. If the emails are on a Google server, they
can deny access to your old, already received emails. An authority might
advice Google to deny access and Google might obey.

Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

> On 16. Aug 2022, at 01:59, Adam Tauno Williams  wrote:
> 
> I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
> NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
> tells you otherwise.

Hi,

I’m in favour of POP for several reasons. One of the reasons is to relief email 
servers run for free as in beer by activists. However, I’m using POP only also 
for accounts that aren’t accounts on a activists’ email servers.

Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 22:57 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:

> I just want POP to work properly.

Help  Contents  Common Mail Questions and Problems  Access a
Gmail POP Account via Evolution.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 19:57 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> If you are using gmail as a POP server everything is still in Google's
> hands.  If this is actually a concern you should consider a different mail
> provider [fastmail.fm?]

That's beside the point; that option is not available since it's a work
related email. I have no option but use Google's services.

> I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
> NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
> tells you otherwise.

Also beside the point. I'm not trying to argue IMAP vs POP. I just want
POP to work properly.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't
> > want
> > to keep anything in google's hands.
> Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. 

+1,000,000,000

> Furthermore, keeping your mail on Google's servers is a convenient
> way of being able to access it from anywhere, with or without
> Evolution.

And a 'feature' provided by any IMAP service.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Greetings, 
> I have been trying to add one of my email accounts to Nevertheless, I
> want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> to keep anything in google's hands. 

If you are using gmail as a POP server everything is still in Google's
hands.  If this is actually a concern you should consider a different mail 
provider [fastmail.fm?]

I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
tells you otherwise.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

> 
>   Also, I appreciate the discussion but it has gone off on a tangent. How
> can I convince Evolution that I want it to use gmail with POP?

If you are setting it up from scratch in Evolution, then I suspect that
it is picking up some old configuration. So I suggest you delete the
gmail account, shutdown Evolution completely, including all it's
factory processes ('evolution --force-shutdown') then look in
~/.config/evolution/sources for any source file that contains the
account details.  Review the file and if they are old, delete them. I
think that is OK to do, but you might want to wait for comments from
someone who knows better.

Alternatively, create a new Linux user and set up an account on that
(so you have a clean config) and see if it still misbehaves.  If it
does, then I suspect it is a bug.

Have you tried other mail clients to do it?

> 
> 
>   Also, I _know_ they are probably monitoring my incoming mail anyway;
> but at least this way I can use another SMTP server so my outgoing traffic
> doesn't go through their servers. 

Be careful doing that - sending out mail through something other than a
gmail server will possibly create DMARC/SPF errors.

> 
> > I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
> > the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
> > horses and stable doors to mind.
> 
>   I'm not sure I understand the allegory;
> 

"Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted"

>  but I'd rather not stay
> connected to a server to access my email. Having it stored locally and only
> connect to a server to send or receive fits my workflow better.
> 
Sure, but you can do that with IMAP as well. But if you want to use POP
then do so.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Greetings!

Thanks for the replies.

Also, I appreciate the discussion but it has gone off on a tangent. How
can I convince Evolution that I want it to use gmail with POP?

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:50 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> It may well be that it is a work account that uses gmail.  But I think
> it's naive to think that using POP to remove the mail from Google means
> that Google will forget about the content or that they hadn't already
> got tons of info from it before you even saw it in your Inbox.

That's exactly my case. I'm using this particular account because I
have no choice on the matter. 

Also, I _know_ they are probably monitoring my incoming mail anyway;
but at least this way I can use another SMTP server so my outgoing traffic
doesn't go through their servers. 

> I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
> the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
> horses and stable doors to mind.

I'm not sure I understand the allegory; but I'd rather not stay
connected to a server to access my email. Having it stored locally and only
connect to a server to send or receive fits my workflow better.

Cheers,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> > to keep anything in google's hands.
> 
> Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. If you
> don't trust Google, why are you using their mail servers, which have
> full access to everything going through them?
> 
It may well be that it is a work account that uses gmail.  But I think
it's naive to think that using POP to remove the mail from Google means
that Google will forget about the content or that they hadn't already
got tons of info from it before you even saw it in your Inbox.

I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
horses and stable doors to mind.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> to keep anything in google's hands.

Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. If you
don't trust Google, why are you using their mail servers, which have
full access to everything going through them?

Furthermore, keeping your mail on Google's servers is a convenient way
of being able to access it from anywhere, with or without Evolution.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Thanks for your response!

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 10:36 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Please give your Evolution version as things do change over time.

I'm using Evolution 3.44.3-2, from Debian Bookworm. 

> > Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
> > Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?
> > 
> At the bottom of the "Identity" page when creating an account there's a
> tick box "Look up mail server " if that is enabled, Evolution will

[...]

> Untick the box and add all the server details manually:

I did that. It still reverts to the gmail-style account, though.

> Presumably you have everything setup at the gmail side for POP3 access.

Yes, I do. 


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

Please give your Evolution version as things do change over time.

> 
>   Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want to
> keep anything in google's hands. However, when I try to add this email address
> as a POP account, Evolution automatically turns it into a "gmail-type" account
> and reverts to IMAP syncing. 
> 
>   Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
> Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?
> 
At the bottom of the "Identity" page when creating an account there's a
tick box "Look up mail server " if that is enabled, Evolution will
fill in the mail config with what the provider thinks it should be,
which is almost certainly not POP3.

Untick the box and add all the server details manually:

  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=en

Presumably you have everything setup at the gmail side for POP3 access.

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[Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Greetings, 

I have been trying to add one of my email accounts to Evolution, but
have had little to no success. 
This particular account is hosted by gmail. Adding it through GNOME's
Online Accounts is easy enough. However, periodically Evolution fails to sync
mail, tasks and/or calendar, and the only solution for that is removing the
account and adding it again. 

Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want to
keep anything in google's hands. However, when I try to add this email address
as a POP account, Evolution automatically turns it into a "gmail-type" account
and reverts to IMAP syncing. 

Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?

Thanks
Francisco


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Patrick O'Callaghan via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 13:21 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 18:42 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> > Dnia 13.08.2022 o godz. 12:33:32 Reid Vail via evolution-list
> > pisze:
> > > I used the rsync tool first. It grabbed all the mail but not the
> > > account info and settings. When I start Evo on the destination
> > > machine
> > > I am prompted by the account setup prompt, as though I'm a new
> > > user.  I
> > > grabbed the mail data from .local/share/evolution.  If the
> > > settings,
> > > etc, are store somewhere different I would be happy to learn it.
> > 
> > It's ~/.config/evolution .
> 
> 
> Thx for the reply -
> that fixed it.  Actually, I don't understand why the GRSYNC restore
> didn't restore either the .local/share or the .config.  Had to do it
> all manually.  Probably a user error of some kind.

Since I'm not familiar with grsync, I can't guess. However a
straightforward copy with "rsync -a" would have copied the entire home
directory. The rsync man page has several examples to guide you.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Reid Vail via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 18:42 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> Dnia 13.08.2022 o godz. 12:33:32 Reid Vail via evolution-list pisze:
> > I used the rsync tool first. It grabbed all the mail but not the
> > account info and settings. When I start Evo on the destination
> > machine
> > I am prompted by the account setup prompt, as though I'm a new
> > user.  I
> > grabbed the mail data from .local/share/evolution.  If the
> > settings,
> > etc, are store somewhere different I would be happy to learn it.
> 
> It's ~/.config/evolution .


Thx for the reply -
that fixed it.  Actually, I don't understand why the GRSYNC restore
didn't restore either the .local/share or the .config.  Had to do it
all manually.  Probably a user error of some kind.


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Reid Vail via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 17:34 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 10:48 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > Running version Evo 3.44-1 on two Linux Mint 21 machines, both on
> > kernel 5.15.0-46.
> > 
> > I've used GRSYNC to backup and restore as much data as possible
> > from an
> > old desktop to a newer laptop.  In the process I tried to use the
> > Evolution backup/restore utility. Have successfully used it before.
> > Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup
> > file
> > is not readable.  The goal is to bring over most current email as
> > well
> > as the account & settings info so the two configs match.
> 
> Have you checked ownership and permissions of the backup file? 
> You may need to adjust them (chmod / chown / chgrp) if your user
> account does not have permissions to access that file.
> 
> Cheers,
> andre
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> https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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Andre -
Thx - permissions match.
BTW... error message is:  "Invalid Evolution backup file.  File
/media/donna/DATA/.tar.gz is not a valid Evolution backup file. 

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Jaroslaw Rafa]

Dnia 13.08.2022 o godz. 12:33:32 Reid Vail via evolution-list pisze:
> I used the rsync tool first. It grabbed all the mail but not the
> account info and settings. When I start Evo on the destination machine
> I am prompted by the account setup prompt, as though I'm a new user.  I
> grabbed the mail data from .local/share/evolution.  If the settings,
> etc, are store somewhere different I would be happy to learn it.

It's ~/.config/evolution .
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Reid Vail via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 17:03 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 10:48 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > I've used GRSYNC to backup and restore as much data as possible
> > from
> > an
> > old desktop to a newer laptop.  In the process I tried to use the
> > Evolution backup/restore utility. Have successfully used it before.
> > Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup
> > file is not readable.
> 
> What is the exact error message?
> 
> I wasn't aware of grsync, but I note that it currently doesn't
> support
> all of rsync's features. That may or may not be a clue.
> 
> I also don't understand why you used both a sync tool and the Evo
> backup/restore. If you synced the entire home directory, using
> Backup/Restore is redundant.
> 
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I used the rsync tool first. It grabbed all the mail but not the
account info and settings. When I start Evo on the destination machine
I am prompted by the account setup prompt, as though I'm a new user.  I
grabbed the mail data from .local/share/evolution.  If the settings,
etc, are store somewhere different I would be happy to learn it.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 10:48 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list wrote:
> I've used GRSYNC to backup and restore as much data as possible from
> an
> old desktop to a newer laptop.  In the process I tried to use the
> Evolution backup/restore utility. Have successfully used it before.
> Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup
> file is not readable.

What is the exact error message?

I wasn't aware of grsync, but I note that it currently doesn't support
all of rsync's features. That may or may not be a clue.

I also don't understand why you used both a sync tool and the Evo
backup/restore. If you synced the entire home directory, using
Backup/Restore is redundant.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

Hi,

On Sat, 2022-08-13 at 10:48 -0400, Reid Vail via evolution-list wrote:
> Running version Evo 3.44-1 on two Linux Mint 21 machines, both on
> kernel 5.15.0-46.
>
> I've used GRSYNC to backup and restore as much data as possible from an
> old desktop to a newer laptop.  In the process I tried to use the
> Evolution backup/restore utility. Have successfully used it before.
> Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup file
> is not readable.  The goal is to bring over most current email as well
> as the account & settings info so the two configs match.

Have you checked ownership and permissions of the backup file? 
You may need to adjust them (chmod / chown / chgrp) if your user
account does not have permissions to access that file.

Cheers,
andre
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[Evolution] Evolution backup & restore error on 3.44-1

[Reid Vail via evolution-list]

Hello team -

Running version Evo 3.44-1 on two Linux Mint 21 machines, both on 
kernel 5.15.0-46.

I've used GRSYNC to backup and restore as much data as possible from an
old desktop to a newer laptop.  In the process I tried to use the
Evolution backup/restore utility. Have successfully used it before.
Trouble this time is that restore fails, reporting that the backup file
is not readable.  The goal is to bring over most current email as well
as the account & settings info so the two configs match.

Looking for some help troubleshooting, please.

Thx 

Reid 
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-06-28 at 04:35 +0200, Rob via evolution-list wrote:
> Every time I open it there is a big banner saying it's offline due to
> an outage.

Hi,
as Pete said, it's there, thus people know why new mails do not arrive.

I think your version has it too, go to Edit->Preferences->Network
Preferences->"Method to detect online state". Change it to "Always
Online". Evolution will "think" the machine is online, even if it's
not.

Another option is to export into your environment, like into ~/.bashrc
this:

   export GIO_USE_NETWORK_MONITOR=base

It will work similarly as the "Always Online" option. I suggest a
global place, not only before running Evolution, thus also the
evolution-data-server background processes know about it. Of course,
the environment variable will influence every application using glib's
GNetworkMonitor API to detect the only state.

Bye,
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> I'm using Evolution 3.36.5-0ubuntu. 

That's an old version - yes, I know it's what comes with your distro,
but you may get fewer helpful answers for an older version.

> I love it except for one thing that is driving me crazy. I use it on
> a computer that is not hooked to the internet. Every time I open it
> there is a big banner saying it's offline due to an outage. 

Big? I know there's an indication that it's offline at the top, but I
didn't think it was that big.  Depends on how big your screen is I
suppose.

> I open it multiple times a day. How can I get rid of this? I'm about
> ready to delete it due to this annoyance. I've looked online a lot
> and through all the settings and can't find anywhere to turn it off.
> Any help is greatly appreciated!

I don't know about turning it off, but start evolution using 

  evolution --offline 

to start in offline mode. There's still a banner at the top, but it
might be less intrusive.


I think this is one of those things that come under "you can't win". In
the past there were a number of posts that came down to people not
noticing that Evo was offline 'cos the indicator is small and in the
bottom left corner, so it was made more obvious. 

P.

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[Evolution] Evolution

[Rob via evolution-list]

Hello

I'm using Evolution 3.36.5-0ubuntu. I love it except for one thing that is 
driving me crazy. I use it on a computer that is not hooked to the internet. 
Every time I open it there is a big banner saying it's offline due to an 
outage. I open it multiple times a day. How can I get rid of this? I'm about 
ready to delete it due to this annoyance. I've looked online a lot and through 
all the settings and can't find anywhere to turn it off. Any help is greatly 
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution doesn't show google contacts categories any more

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 12:57 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> Apart from that, as far as I understand it's all in google's hands
> and we don't have any option at the moment to see labels exported
> into the CardDAV interface, or are we aware there is any kind of plan
> for it in the future?

Hi,
I'm not aware of anything available in the CardDAV interface. The
groups the Contacts API used to expose are just not in the CardDAV.

The Google did not just close the Contacts API, they have a replacement
for it, it's the People API, but there's nobody able to port libgdata
project to use the People API, thus the move to the CardDAV interface.

> And, finally, I am thinking about adding all the categories to the
> contacts shown in evolution to reflect the google labels (>2k
> contacts, and some dozens of categories... I can do it manually
> (argh!), but could there be any semi-automated way?).

If you've a tool, which can use the People API, then you can do it,
but...

> This would lead to duplicated and not consistent data, and what if in
> the future google extends the CardDAV interface?

... I'm afraid the Google contacts won't preserver/survive/properly
synchronize the Categories with their Groups, thus all of this can be
lost some day. Even worse, I just tried to create a contact with a set
Category and it was lost/not saved to the server. Maybe once they
synchronize the groups through the categories, it'll start working on
its own, both ways, but whether they plan any such thing I do not know,
it is solely up to them (honestly, it doesn't look like a too
complicated task, but they are large and they have their own
priorities).

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution doesn't show google contacts categories any more

[Andrea Vai]

Il giorno mar, 21/06/2022 alle 12.06 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-
list ha scritto:
> The problem is on the Google side.
> 
> They deprecated the Contacts API, which used to be used in the past,
> thus the evolution-data-server switched to the Google's CardDAV
> interface, which is more standardized. Unfortunately, the Google
> doesn't export all the properties/labels to the CardDAV interface,
> thus
> some information is missing with compare to the Contacts API.

thank you Milan, this seems to me a real trouble and I am wondering if
it's the same for other users, because I use the categories at least
for two usual important tasks:

- (maybe obvious) to get a sublist of people (i.e. Team colleagues,
tennis friends, restaurants...) and call them one by one, for example

- to send email to groups of people tagged by the category field (new
message ->  click on "To:" -> select the category which belong people
I would like to write to, and add all to the list on the right side).
I don't know if that's the best way or there are other options, any
suggestion is very welcome.

Apart from that, as far as I understand it's all in google's hands and
we don't have any option at the moment to see labels exported into the
CardDAV interface, or are we aware there is any kind of plan for it in
the future?

And, finally, I am thinking about adding all the categories to the
contacts shown in evolution to reflect the google labels (>2k
contacts, and some dozens of categories... I can do it manually
(argh!), but could there be any semi-automated way?). This would lead
to duplicated and not consistent data, and what if in the future
google extends the CardDAV interface?

Thank you,
Bye
Andrea
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution doesn't show google contacts categories any more

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 11:10 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote:
> I don't know if I did anything wrong, or if it's a problem in evo
> itself.

Hi,
it's neither of these. The problem is on the Google side.

They deprecated the Contacts API, which used to be used in the past,
thus the evolution-data-server switched to the Google's CardDAV
interface, which is more standardized. Unfortunately, the Google
doesn't export all the properties/labels to the CardDAV interface, thus
some information is missing with compare to the Contacts API.
Bye,
Milan

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