RE: Suppressing the envelope

2002-11-13 Thread Andrea Coppini
Why is it showing the envelope icon multiple times?  That should only
show up to the respective Terminal Services user.




 -Original Message-
 From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com] 
 Sent: 06 November 2002 11:33 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Suppressing the envelope
 
 
 I've looked for this off and on an never had any luck finding 
 it.  Now we have an application server that is being shared, 
 and folks are complaining that the envelop icon is appearing 
 multiple times when they use Outlook via this server.
 
 Here's the question:  Is there some way to suppress the 
 envelope icon that shows up in the task bar when new mail comes in?
 
 Many thanks!
 
 Darcy Adams
 Sr. Exchange Administrator
 Getty Images
 
 601 N. 34th Street
 Seattle, WA  98103
 Tel 206-925-6617
 Cell 206-255-0169
 
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RE: Virus heads up

2002-11-13 Thread Busby, Jacob
 It clearly isn't a virus, but it might not be stretching 
 things too much to call it a worm. It's really the delivery 
 method that's different, along with the attempt to make it 
 vaguely legal.

But there's a big difference between legal and ethical.

Personally I'd just block the users looking the the affected URLs.

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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Couch, Nate
Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options - Free/Busy
Options.



-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: No more free/busy data?



I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is the case.  When
a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an appointment for anytime
after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  Starting exactly
on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users have regular
grey squares ad infinitum.

What's going on here?

-Yanek.

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RE: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Martinez
They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases in the 
same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on respective nodes in 
first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

Chris
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RE: Virus heads up

2002-11-13 Thread Hurst, Paul
How long do you reckon before one of these companies due an AV company from
block their 'legal' (choke) SPAM, as the spy ware companies did!

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Busby, Jacob [mailto:jacob.busby;hants.gov.uk]
Sent: 13 November 2002 12:06
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus heads up


 It clearly isn't a virus, but it might not be stretching 
 things too much to call it a worm. It's really the delivery 
 method that's different, along with the attempt to make it 
 vaguely legal.

But there's a big difference between legal and ethical.

Personally I'd just block the users looking the the affected URLs.

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RE: Virus heads up

2002-11-13 Thread Hurst, Paul
due (dodgy finder here) I meant SUE

-Original Message-
From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:Paul.Hurst;eu.sony.com]
Sent: 13 November 2002 13:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus heads up


How long do you reckon before one of these companies due an AV company from
block their 'legal' (choke) SPAM, as the spy ware companies did!

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Busby, Jacob [mailto:jacob.busby;hants.gov.uk]
Sent: 13 November 2002 12:06
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus heads up


 It clearly isn't a virus, but it might not be stretching 
 things too much to call it a worm. It's really the delivery 
 method that's different, along with the attempt to make it 
 vaguely legal.

But there's a big difference between legal and ethical.

Personally I'd just block the users looking the the affected URLs.

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
By design I believe.


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From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Schwartz, Jim
Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
And that works for all kinds of restores!


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Couch, Nate
If you are asking if there is a way to globally set the Free/Busy publish
date.  I am not aware of any.  the only place I know to change this is on
the client.

 --
 From: Yanek Korff
 Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:55
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2 months, surely.
 However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy data available
 until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am I an
 exception
 (and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  There are other
 exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
 discrepancy?
 
 Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that if today
 were
 the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be available until Jan
 13, 2003.
 
 Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?
 
 -Yanek.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options 
  - Free/Busy
  Options.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  
  I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is 
  the case.  When
  a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an 
  appointment for anytime
  after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
  Starting exactly
  on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
  have regular
  grey squares ad infinitum.
  
  What's going on here?
  
  -Yanek.
  
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RE: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Bowles, John L.
Are these people within the same site?  How many servers do you have if they
are in the same site?

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Martinez [mailto:ChrisMart;sanantonio.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information followed by
// next to the attendee's name, even though the time is marked as
busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just fine, but others see
no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs were applied on the
client side and checked the number of months to publish/update but still
nothing.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:John.Bowles;celera.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information

You are not getting any information at all?  Or just partial info?

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Martinez [mailto:ChrisMart;sanantonio.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Free/Busy Information


Hello all-

Current config is W2k/E2k Sp3 in Active/Active FE/BE configuration.
I am currently experiencing issues where several users are unable to see
other users free/busy data when scheduling appointments.  These users are on
different DB's on the same cluster, I have looked at several Q's and have
come up empty.  Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.

Chris

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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
Any value in excess of 12 is ignored.

Only 12 months of F/B info is available (10 months past and one month prior
to the current day, plus the current month).

ref: Q262812

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2 months, surely.
However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy data available
until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am I an exception
(and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  There are other
exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
discrepancy?

Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that if today were
the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be available until Jan
13, 2003.

Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options
 - Free/Busy
 Options.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 
 I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is
 the case.  When
 a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an 
 appointment for anytime
 after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
 Starting exactly
 on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
 have regular
 grey squares ad infinitum.
 
 What's going on here?
 
 -Yanek.
 
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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
If you know all the answers, why are you asking us? 


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply

send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from another. monitor the
inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus address appears in
the mailbox named in the From field



Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


By design I believe.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Hurst, Paul
Korff,

By design the free and busy only show complete months at a time it does not
roll forward on each day (IE if you have three months it will only show to
the end of the month).

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
Sent: 13 November 2002 13:55
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2 months, surely.
However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy data available
until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am I an exception
(and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  There are other
exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
discrepancy?

Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that if today were
the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be available until Jan
13, 2003.

Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options 
 - Free/Busy
 Options.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 
 I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is 
 the case.  When
 a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an 
 appointment for anytime
 after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
 Starting exactly
 on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
 have regular
 grey squares ad infinitum.
 
 What's going on here?
 
 -Yanek.
 
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Re: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Allison M. Wittstock
Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50 Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
 The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 hours,
 but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that states 24 hours
 to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from offsite. $50.00 or
 $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one wants to go to
 their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a picture of their
 sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's important, really
 important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.

 It just gets rid of the riff-raff.

 -Original Message-
 From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
 like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
 worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
 the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 1.  restore from backup
 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
 back to him/her.

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
 was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
 Everyone

 Tony

 -Original Message-
 From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
 No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
 Crowley Never Restore Method?

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Sent Item


 I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
 Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

 Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 System Administrator/DBA
 Senior Aerospace Jet Products
 (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
 www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Robert Moir
 -Original Message-
 From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com] 
 Sent: 13 November 2002 14:45
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Sent Item
 
 
 Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that 
 its part of the job 
 description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something. 

Your company doesn't have the practice of cross charging internal
departments for work that's outside the normal scope of the job?

Robert Moir MSMVP
IT Systems Engineer
Luton Sixth Form College
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
If..
1) the deleted item retention time is set to some number of days, and
2) you are still within that number of days
then,

1) close Outlook
2) open the affected user's registry
3) drill to  HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Exchange\Client\Options
4) add the DWORD: DumpsterAlwaysOn with a value of 1
5) open Outlook, click the sent items folder
6) Tools Deleted Items Recovery

Good luck.


Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
I think the whole point is to keep from having to do unnecessary restores.
Would you want to restore, say, an email that contained a joke?  It's a way
of getting a user to examine their priorities - how important is the email.
Is it important company data that needs to be recovered, or is it just
convenience.  I certainly wouldn't be willing to restore an exchange backup
unless the customer/user can justify the worth of the email as being
critical or necessary business data.  I'm not saying that we would charge
our users' cost centers for restores (we don't) - but then again, we also
have deleted items retention set at 30 days so that we don't have to worry
about this kind of thing.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Sent Item


Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the
job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50
Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
 The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 
 hours, but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that 
 states 24 hours to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from 
 offsite. $50.00 or $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. 
 No one wants to go to their boss and get the sign off on the charge to 
 restore a picture of their sisters baby or that funny joke a friend 
 sent. If it's important, really important, you could charge $1000.00 
 and they'd still pay.

 It just gets rid of the riff-raff.

 -Original Message-
 From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or 
 something like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document 
 isn't worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the 
 costs of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 1.  restore from backup
 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to 
 send it back to him/her.

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the 
 retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the 
 send item? Thank Everyone

 Tony

 -Original Message-
 From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items 
 folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he 
 implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Sent Item


 I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted 
 items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

 Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 System 

RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
of course not.
and what's with the non-sequitor..?

in my first post on the issue I question what I believe is unusual behavior.
you claim the behavior is by design.
in my second post, I challenge your claim.

geez.. if you don't know an answer, it's OK skip the thread, andy. we won't
miss your reply.

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


If you know all the answers, why are you asking us? 


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply

send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from another. monitor the
inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus address appears in
the mailbox named in the From field



Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


By design I believe.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Which Outlook version?

I just did some testing with Outlook XP and it works correctly - NDRs return
to mailbox2.

Further explain what you're seeing, and also look at the headers to see
what's going out.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


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 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
 mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
Your attitude is apparently by design as well. 
Like I said, if you send an email from within Outlook in the manner you
described , I believe it works that way by design .
If I am wrong, so be it. 


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


of course not.
and what's with the non-sequitor..?

in my first post on the issue I question what I believe is unusual behavior.
you claim the behavior is by design.
in my second post, I challenge your claim.

geez.. if you don't know an answer, it's OK skip the thread, andy. we won't
miss your reply.

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


If you know all the answers, why are you asking us? 


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply

send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from another. monitor the
inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus address appears in
the mailbox named in the From field



Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


By design I believe.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
You mean like this, which worked as advertised, not as you're experiencing?

Come on Tim - you know we need more details.

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply
 
 send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from 
 another. monitor the
 inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus 
 address appears in
 the mailbox named in the From field
 
 
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 By design I believe.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
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 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Schwartz, Jim
I don't do much admin work any more. (quack) Deleted Items Retention solves
99.9% of the issues with someone deleting something unintentionally. Most of
the time the user hits delete and immediately has knows that they needed
that message. Our helpdesk (least cost) can walk them through how to restore
the item themselves. A simple published document stating that mail is
restorable for free up to x (whatever DIR is set to) and will cost x after
that. Any item older than whatever your tape rotation is set to is not
available for restore. The chargeback to the users is to cover the costs of
the administrators time. Nobody really seems to mind this, as long as it
spelled out in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Sent Item


Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the
job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50
Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
 The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 hours,
 but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that states 24 hours
 to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from offsite. $50.00 or
 $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one wants to go to
 their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a picture of
their
 sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's important, really
 important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.

 It just gets rid of the riff-raff.

 -Original Message-
 From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
 like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
 worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
 the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 1.  restore from backup
 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
 back to him/her.

 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
 was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
 Everyone

 Tony

 -Original Message-
 From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder.
 No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
 Crowley Never Restore Method?

 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item


 Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
 Tech Consultant
 hp Services
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Sent Item


 I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
 Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

 Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 System Administrator/DBA
 Senior Aerospace Jet Products
 (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
 www.jetproducts.com


 

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.

If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd never get anything
done.

Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this point, though.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Sent Item
 
 
 Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that 
 its part of the job 
 description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
 Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
 charge them 50 Euro 
 to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
 company and the 
 customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
 I'm really 
 curious how you get away with that. 
 
 Allison W.
 
 On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
  The customer shouldn't be punished for something that 
 should take 2 hours,
  but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that 
 states 24 hours
  to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from 
 offsite. $50.00 or
  $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one 
 wants to go to
  their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a 
 picture of their
  sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's 
 important, really
  important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
 
  It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr 
 or something
  like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
 
  James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
  Associate Systems Administrator
  InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important 
 document isn't
  worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to 
 charge the costs of
  the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
 
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
  Tech Consultant
  hp Services
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
 James Winzenz
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  1.  restore from backup
  2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the 
 email to send it
  back to him/her.
 
  James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
  Associate Systems Administrator
  InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and 
 the retention
  was not set. What other options do I have to restore the 
 send item? Thank
  Everyone
 
  Tony
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the 
 Deleted Items folder.
  No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he 
 implement the Ed
  Crowley Never Restore Method?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.
 
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
  Tech Consultant
  hp Services
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Sent Item
 
 
  I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the 
 deleted items.
  Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
 
  Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  System Administrator/DBA
  Senior Aerospace Jet Products
  (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
  www.jetproducts.com
 
 
  

RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Yanek Korff
Yeah, I saw and read that article.  The real problem here is that ...
well... why the hell do we want our users in control of when their calendars
are available?  Seomtimes meetings need to be scheduled more than 1 month in
advance -- so we make all users go into their settings and change them?  I
think not.  I walk around to everybody's desk and change it for them?  Also
unacceptable.  I load their profile and change it there?  Nope, I don't want
to do that either.  There's got to be a better way... ?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:43
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Any value in excess of 12 is ignored.
 
 Only 12 months of F/B info is available (10 months past and 
 one month prior
 to the current day, plus the current month).
 
 ref: Q262812
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2 
 months, surely.
 However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy 
 data available
 until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am 
 I an exception
 (and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  
 There are other
 exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
 discrepancy?
 
 Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that 
 if today were
 the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be 
 available until Jan
 13, 2003.
 
 Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?
 
 -Yanek.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options
  - Free/Busy
  Options.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  
  I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is
  the case.  When
  a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an 
  appointment for anytime
  after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
  Starting exactly
  on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
  have regular
  grey squares ad infinitum.
  
  What's going on here?
  
  -Yanek.
  
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Darcy Adams
Yup!  I've got high standards.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Darcy, you sure expect a lot.  It isn't fair to expect me to actually
comprehend everything I read herein!

Disregard my suggestion until the user does a shift-Delete from the Sent
Items folder.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder.  No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he
implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
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Re: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Hlabse
Sounds like a replication issue. Single server?

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases
in the same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on
respective nodes in first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Daniel Chenault
That is correct; the message is sent on behalf of mailbox2 (as seen in the
headers). The NDR goes the to _original_ sender. It makes sense:
Secretary has user permissions on her boss' inbox.
Secretary sends message on his behalf to other user(s).
Message bounces.

Who needs to know to resend the message, the secretary or the boss?

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Darcy Adams
In Outlook2000 the reply to field defaults to the primary mailbox.  You can set that 
to whatever you want on an individual message basis.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
perzaktly.. thanx roger. Your experienced is (I believe) the normal and
expected behavior.

However, a user working under the scenario I described reports intermittent
issues with an OL2k client where some NDR's appear within the user's
mailbox, rather than in the Inbox of the secondary mailbox.

I checked the headers of some NDR's in the user's inbox and found no
instances of the address of the primary mailbox--just the address of the
secondary mailbox, again as one might expect. 

I am really confused as to how the NDR found its way into the user's Inbox.
It's kinda like one would see with SPAM using a bogus To address with a
valid BCC.

Here's a WAG.. Could, somehow, the MTA route NDR's of external origin back
to the actual mailbox of origin using internal directory info (x.400)? But
then none of that exists within a message header.  urggh..

I cannot replicate the user's experience on my mailbox, or any mailbox, I
set up for testing. Things work as 'spected: NDR's go to the mailbox of the
From address--every time.

Gotta be something the user isn't telling me..

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad;inovis.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


Which Outlook version?

I just did some testing with Outlook XP and it works correctly - NDRs return
to mailbox2.

Further explain what you're seeing, and also look at the headers to see
what's going out.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
 mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
 qué arriba con eso?
 
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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Jordan
You asked:  why the hell do we want our users in control of when their
calendars
are available?

The answer is because they know a lot more about their calendars than you
do!
Why would a user want some lowly e-mail admin controlling how much
information they show??

-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
Sent: 13 November 2002 15:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


Yeah, I saw and read that article.  The real problem here is that ...
well... why the hell do we want our users in control of when their calendars
are available?  Seomtimes meetings need to be scheduled more than 1 month in
advance -- so we make all users go into their settings and change them?  I
think not.  I walk around to everybody's desk and change it for them?  Also
unacceptable.  I load their profile and change it there?  Nope, I don't want
to do that either.  There's got to be a better way... ?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:43
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Any value in excess of 12 is ignored.
 
 Only 12 months of F/B info is available (10 months past and 
 one month prior
 to the current day, plus the current month).
 
 ref: Q262812
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2 
 months, surely.
 However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy 
 data available
 until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am 
 I an exception
 (and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  
 There are other
 exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
 discrepancy?
 
 Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that 
 if today were
 the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be 
 available until Jan
 13, 2003.
 
 Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?
 
 -Yanek.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options
  - Free/Busy
  Options.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  
  I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is
  the case.  When
  a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an 
  appointment for anytime
  after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
  Starting exactly
  on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
  have regular
  grey squares ad infinitum.
  
  What's going on here?
  
  -Yanek.
  
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RE: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Martinez
Not sure what you mean by single server?  Exchange,DC,etc?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Sounds like a replication issue. Single server?

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases
in the same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on
respective nodes in first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

Chris

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RE: search all text, all mailboxes?

2002-11-13 Thread Horst Hinz
Sorry, my bad... thinking too much about my two week vacation coming up and
not looking in the right place.  I've got the right location now. thanks
again.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 18:17
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: search all text, all mailboxes?


The only tool listed where? In the client section? Yes, it doesn't really
provide searching either.  But there are a number of others listed in the
server section as well as the Sherpa Software product, which also provides
search capabilities.

 -Original Message-
 From: Horst Hinz [mailto:HHinz;bcmhs.bc.ca]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:53 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 I looked at the only tool listed there, the VM Mailkeeper program and it
 only allows searching of one mailbox at at time.  I need to search all of
 them at once.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff;messageone.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 09:41
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: search all text, all mailboxes?
 
 
 Several of the archival tools listed at www.mail-resources.com | web links
 will, as will tools such as those from Sherpa Software.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Horst Hinz [mailto:HHinz;bcmhs.bc.ca]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:29 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
 
  I've been asked to search all of our mailboxes on our Exchange server
 for
  a
  specific phrase to fullfill a Freedom of Information Act request.  I
 know
  that Exmerge will search the entire Exchange server but only for subject
  or
  attachments.  Is there a utility out there that will search the entire
  contents of the messages on the Exchange server as well?  I've got 1800
  mailboxes and I don't want someone to have to search through each one
  individually.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Horst
 
 
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
Unfortunately . . . VBG

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.

If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd never get anything
done.

Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this point, though.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Sent Item
 
 
 Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
 its part of the job 
 description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
 Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
 charge them 50 Euro 
 to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
 company and the 
 customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
 I'm really 
 curious how you get away with that. 
 
 Allison W.
 
 On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
  The customer shouldn't be punished for something that
 should take 2 hours,
  but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that
 states 24 hours
  to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from
 offsite. $50.00 or
  $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one
 wants to go to
  their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a
 picture of their
  sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's
 important, really
  important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
 
  It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr
 or something
  like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
 
  James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
  Associate Systems Administrator
  InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important
 document isn't
  worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to
 charge the costs of
  the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
 
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
  Tech Consultant
  hp Services
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
 James Winzenz
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  1.  restore from backup
  2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the
 email to send it
  back to him/her.
 
  James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
  Associate Systems Administrator
  InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and
 the retention
  was not set. What other options do I have to restore the
 send item? Thank
  Everyone
 
  Tony
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the
 Deleted Items folder.
  No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he
 implement the Ed
  Crowley Never Restore Method?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
  Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.
 
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
  Tech Consultant
  hp Services
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Sent Item
 
 
  I have a user that deleted the sent item and then 

RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Look at the headers for either a Reply-to: line or an X-Reply-To: line.

It would seem that OL2k does it differently than OLXP.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:51 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 perzaktly.. thanx roger. Your experienced is (I believe) the 
 normal and
 expected behavior.
 
 However, a user working under the scenario I described 
 reports intermittent
 issues with an OL2k client where some NDR's appear within the user's
 mailbox, rather than in the Inbox of the secondary mailbox.
 
 I checked the headers of some NDR's in the user's inbox and found no
 instances of the address of the primary mailbox--just the 
 address of the
 secondary mailbox, again as one might expect. 
 
 I am really confused as to how the NDR found its way into the 
 user's Inbox.
 It's kinda like one would see with SPAM using a bogus To 
 address with a
 valid BCC.
 
 Here's a WAG.. Could, somehow, the MTA route NDR's of 
 external origin back
 to the actual mailbox of origin using internal directory 
 info (x.400)? But
 then none of that exists within a message header.  urggh..
 
 I cannot replicate the user's experience on my mailbox, or 
 any mailbox, I
 set up for testing. Things work as 'spected: NDR's go to the 
 mailbox of the
 From address--every time.
 
 Gotta be something the user isn't telling me..
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad;inovis.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:16 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 Which Outlook version?
 
 I just did some testing with Outlook XP and it works 
 correctly - NDRs return
 to mailbox2.
 
 Further explain what you're seeing, and also look at the 
 headers to see
 what's going out.
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
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  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: A question of NDR
  
  
  Scenario:
  
  mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
  mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2
  in From field.
  Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
  
  
  qué arriba con eso?
  
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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
Thanks, Daniel. That's what I would expect (and what I experience in
testing) as well. The NDR will appear in the Inbox of secondary (mailbox2
in my example).

After a bit closer peek at the NDR header, it seems the headers of the NDR's
(within mailbox1 Inbox) list the 'return-path' with the address of the
mailbox of origin (mailbox1), and the From address of mailbox2.

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:danielc;dc-resources.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


That is correct; the message is sent on behalf of mailbox2 (as seen in the
headers). The NDR goes the to _original_ sender. It makes sense: Secretary
has user permissions on her boss' inbox. Secretary sends message on his
behalf to other user(s). Message bounces.

Who needs to know to resend the message, the secretary or the boss?

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
thanks, Darcy. The user mentioned not setting that item in the original
message. Maybe that should be an add'l step prior to sending their message? 

Still, in my tests, just changing the From field to list a different mailbox
resulted in NDR's delivered to that secondary mailbox.

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


In Outlook2000 the reply to field defaults to the primary mailbox.  You
can set that to whatever you want on an individual message basis.



-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: A question of NDR


Scenario:

mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 in From field.
Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.


qué arriba con eso?

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
From the This Just in Dept.:

The secondary mailbox is actually a PF against which the user has User
permission. The PF is configured correctly to receive inbound email.

return-path with the address of the origin mailbox appears in the header
of NDR(s) in the origin mailbox. So maybe we have the culprit. Off to RFC822
to learn about this header item..

Tim.
x3683


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From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad;inovis.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


You mean like this, which worked as advertised, not as you're experiencing?

Come on Tim - you know we need more details.

---SNIP

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---SNIP

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Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply
 
 send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from
 another. monitor the
 inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus 
 address appears in
 the mailbox named in the From field
 
 
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 By design I believe.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
 mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
Perhaps you might push the changes to all the users thru your network.
Create a .REG file containing the desired F/B settings (ref. 197712)
Set that file to be executed within the logon script.


Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


Yeah, I saw and read that article.  The real problem here is that ...
well... why the hell do we want our users in control of when their calendars
are available?  Seomtimes meetings need to be scheduled more than 1 month in
advance -- so we make all users go into their settings and change them?  I
think not.  I walk around to everybody's desk and change it for them?  Also
unacceptable.  I load their profile and change it there?  Nope, I don't want
to do that either.  There's got to be a better way... ?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:43
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Any value in excess of 12 is ignored.
 
 Only 12 months of F/B info is available (10 months past and
 one month prior
 to the current day, plus the current month).
 
 ref: Q262812
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2
 months, surely.
 However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy 
 data available
 until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am 
 I an exception
 (and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)?  
 There are other
 exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
 discrepancy?
 
 Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that
 if today were
 the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be 
 available until Jan
 13, 2003.
 
 Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?
 
 -Yanek.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options
  - Free/Busy
  Options.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: No more free/busy data?
  
  
  
  I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is the 
  case.  When a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an
  appointment for anytime
  after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information.  
  Starting exactly
  on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users 
  have regular
  grey squares ad infinitum.
  
  What's going on here?
  
  -Yanek.
  
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Wait a year or two until a few new systems are in place and that might
change.

Then again, there's not enough deliniation between departmental budgets
here, or in many other companies, in which chargebacks are a good thing.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: James Winzenz 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:15 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
 Unfortunately . . . VBG
 
 James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
 Associate Systems Administrator
 InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Seielstad 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:33 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Sent Item
 
 
 Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
 because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
 spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.
 
 If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd 
 never get anything
 done.
 
 Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this 
 point, though.
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Sent Item
  
  
  Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
  its part of the job 
  description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
  Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
  charge them 50 Euro 
  to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
  company and the 
  customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
  I'm really 
  curious how you get away with that. 
  
  Allison W.
  
  On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
   The customer shouldn't be punished for something that
  should take 2 hours,
   but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that
  states 24 hours
   to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from
  offsite. $50.00 or
   $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one
  wants to go to
   their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a
  picture of their
   sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's
  important, really
   important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
  
   It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz;inovis.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr
  or something
   like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
  
   James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
   Associate Systems Administrator
   InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important
  document isn't
   worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to
  charge the costs of
   the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
  
   Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
   Tech Consultant
   hp Services
   Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
  James Winzenz
   Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   1.  restore from backup
   2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the
  email to send it
   back to him/her.
  
   James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
   Associate Systems Administrator
   InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and
  the retention
   was not set. What other options do I have to restore the
  send item? Thank
   Everyone
  
   Tony
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Sent Item
  
  
   Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the
  Deleted Items folder.
   No need for dumpsteralwayson. 

Re: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Hlabse
Do the users mail info reside on two different servers or just two different
DB's on the same server.
.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


Not sure what you mean by single server?  Exchange,DC,etc?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Sounds like a replication issue. Single server?

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases
in the same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on
respective nodes in first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

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From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

Chris

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Re: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Allison M. Wittstock
No.  But we are only 23 people here.  13 of us are IT/developers.

AW

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:54, you wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw;inubit.com]
  Sent: 13 November 2002 14:45
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Sent Item
 
 
  Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
  its part of the job
  description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.

 Your company doesn't have the practice of cross charging internal
 departments for work that's outside the normal scope of the job?

 Robert Moir MSMVP
 IT Systems Engineer
 Luton Sixth Form College
 Ciderspace: An online 3D virtual reality environment for tramps.
 Ciderspace Cafe: A park Bench.

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OAB version 2

2002-11-13 Thread Microsoft Exchange List Server

MSX5.5 +SP4
1 Organization 12 sites

We have noticed that onlye one site has contents in the
systemfolders\exo:/ou\OAB version 2 it has two subfolders with numbers
separated by hyphens.

Do you knwo why this only site has those two subfolders is this ok or not?

Rgds,
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Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread kwenger
I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
Exch 2K.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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AutoDL

2002-11-13 Thread Mike
Does anyone use the AutoDL utility that ships with Exchange2K? There have
been very few responses to recent questions concerning the configuration of
AutoDL, and I'm just curious if it's because no one uses it. The
instructions aren't very clear, at least for those of us (like me) that
don't have much experience with SQL or IIS.

Thanks in advance!
Mike

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Mailbox Count

2002-11-13 Thread Bevilacqua.Steve
Anyone know a resource for programattically determining the number of
mailboxes on an Exchange 5.5 server?

Thanks

Steve
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Event ID 209 - Can I fix this?

2002-11-13 Thread Yanek Korff
Here's the message I'm getting:

Event Type: Warning
Event Source:   MSExchangeMTA
Event Category: X.400 Service 
Event ID:   209
Date:   11/13/2002
Time:   14:16:46
User:   N/A
Computer:   EXCHANGE
Description:
Global domain identifier (Country, ADMD, PRMD) in first Trace Information of
message C=us;A= ;P=rst;L=EXCHANGE0211131916WS5VB3DM does not match MTSID
value. [MTA XFER-IN 11 40] (12) 

According to EventID.NET:
This problem seems to be caused by a server being rebuilt in the exchange
organization without it being removed first from the organization using
Exchange Administrator in RAW mode.  

Now, I'm not entirely sure if this applies.  I'm working on a 5.5 Migration
to 2000, bringing in new hardware and changing NT4 to w2k domains.  5.5
server is NT4 in domain RST, E2k is in the new domain but has been added to
the original ORG.

Can anyone offer insight?

-Yanek.

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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Yanek Korff
 The answer is because they know a lot more about their 
 calendars than you do!
 Why would a user want some lowly e-mail admin controlling how much
 information they show??
Because users generally don't have a clue?  Frankly I'm surprised this
hasn't come up before.  We often have users scheduling meetings months out.
And we want to ensure that when users do this, free/busy data for that
individual is available.

I've found documentation elsewhere about how to change this value for
everyone.  Thanks to all who were actually helpful.

-Yanek.

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Post Ex2k Migration Calendar Permissions Hosed

2002-11-13 Thread Martin, Jon
After migrating the mailboxes from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2000 (basically
by bringing new Exchange 2000 servers into our Exchange 5.5 organization and
then moving mailboxes from the 5.5 to 2000 servers) we have ended up with
two outstanding problems that, to date, PSS has not been able to resolve.

This is one of the two:

In our organization the default calendar permission on all user calendars is
Reviewer. (This was the default in our previous email system - PROFS/OV -
and users wanted to keep this capability when we went to Exchange four years
ago.)

Post Exchange 5.5 to 2000 migration, a large number of user calendars (more
than 25%, less than 50%) have permissions that include not only this
default, but in addition the first 250 or so users in our address book now
have specific permissions of Reviewer also. That is bad enough, but in
addition, no one can actually review these user calendars. And,
changes/deletions cannot be made though Outlook to these permission
settings. Free/Busy info for the establishment of meetings still works.

So far there is no fix. (Well, I can export the user's calendar entries to a
PST file, then use the old pre-Outlook Exchange client to delete the
calendar, then use Outlook with the /resetfolders option to re-create the
calendar, and then import the PST file back in.  This sounded viable when I
thought the problem was five to ten users; now it looks more like upwards of
800-900 users.) MS PSS had me run through an ISINTEG -fix -test alltests
run, which was exciting and all, but did not fix the problem.

At this point, the 'why did this happen' aspect is much less important to me
than the 'how do I fix it' question (we are not migrating back!).

Any ideas??  Thanks . . .

Jon Martin
Systems Programmer
East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD)
Oakland, CA



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Shared Calendar Appointment Ownership

2002-11-13 Thread Martin, Jon
Fallout from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade Part II:

After migrating the mailboxes from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2000 (basically
by bringing new Exchange 2000 servers into our Exchange 5.5 organization and
then moving mailboxes from the 5.5 to 2000 servers) we have ended up with
two outstanding problems that, to date, PSS has not been able to resolve.

This is one of the two:  

In Exchange 5.5 we utilized the delegate account method (Q169872) to deal
with meetings that included shared resources. As part of the upgrade to
Exchange 2000 we used the NTDSNoMatch attribute on these calendars to force
the ADC to create disabled accounts for them. So far, so good; it worked as
advertised.

Now that we have migrated, on an apparently random basis, users cannot
modify meetings that they scheduled on conference room calendars prior to
the migration. Not all meetings on any calendar have this problem; not all
meetings scheduled by any one user have this problem.

Of course in the migrated system the default access permissions to
conference room calendars is Author. Creating new meetings that include
resource calendars is working fine.

Behind the scenes, what has happened on the problematic meeting entries is
that the Owner of the meeting is no longer the same as the Meeting
Organizer; the Owner is the disabled conference room account instead. The
meeting organizer tries to update the meeting, and gets a Your changes
could not be saved because you don't have permission to modify some or all
of the items in this folder

So far the only 'fix' that works is to make the default calendar access
permission on the conference rooms 'Editor'. In an organization or our size
(60 resource accounts, 1700 users) that would create a disaster all its own.

At this point, the 'why did this happen' aspect is much less important to me
than the 'how do I fix it' question (we are not migrating back!).

Any ideas??  Thanks . . .


Jon Martin
Systems Programmer
East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD)
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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread East, Bill
I would miss your reply, Andy. You're like the little baby buffalo nibbling
around the edges of the Exchange field. And I am the coyote who doesn't want
to get sat on.

-- 
be - MOS

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:18 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 Your attitude is apparently by design as well. 
 Like I said, if you send an email from within Outlook in the 
 manner you
 described , I believe it works that way by design .
 If I am wrong, so be it. 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:03 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 of course not.
 and what's with the non-sequitor..?
 
 in my first post on the issue I question what I believe is 
 unusual behavior.
 you claim the behavior is by design.
 in my second post, I challenge your claim.
 
 geez.. if you don't know an answer, it's OK skip the thread, 
 andy. we won't
 miss your reply.
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 If you know all the answers, why are you asking us? 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply
 
 send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from 
 another. monitor the
 inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus 
 address appears in
 the mailbox named in the From field
 
 
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 By design I believe.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
 mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2 
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
 qué arriba con eso?
 
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RE: Emails to clients that are restricted

2002-11-13 Thread East, Bill
Is somebody forging the headers? Trivially easy to do. Check to see if there
are any SMTP headers in the messages, and if so, find the offender and put
superglue on his or her keycaps.

-- 
be - MOS



You are confused; but this is your normal state.


 -Original Message-
 From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez;handleman.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Emails to clients that are restricted
 
 
 We have a couple of system accounts that we send email to 
 that no one has access to send back to via delivery 
 restricts.  Well someone actually sent back and it go 
 through.  Any idea's why?
 
 Thank you,
  
 Alex Gonzalez
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 Handleman Company
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RE: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Martinez
Different servers, node1 holds virtual server1/user1 and node2 holds virtual 
server2/user2.  Sorry about the confusion.

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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Do the users mail info reside on two different servers or just two different
DB's on the same server.
.
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From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


Not sure what you mean by single server?  Exchange,DC,etc?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Sounds like a replication issue. Single server?

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From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases
in the same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on
respective nodes in first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

Chris

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Outlook drops first address in TO: line

2002-11-13 Thread Jerry J.
Have a user that when he types in more than 2 addresses in the TO: line it
drops the first address. Did a test that had 4 seperate addresses that all
come to me. The first address did disappear and the e-mail never arrived
to that mailbox. This only happens with multiple addresses. If he sends an
e-mail to that first mailbox alone it arrives fine. So not matter what the
first address is, when 3 or more addresses are present the 1st one gets
dropped every time.
Anyone seen this before?

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Re: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Hlabse
Create a list with no email address and put them on the list. All email sent
to people belonging to the list will just disappear. It's called creating a
blackhole.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: Stop NDR


 I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
 receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
 signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
 Exch 2K.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Akerlund, Scott
Most of us create either a dummy mailbox or Public Folder.  Then assign the
addresses in question to said mailbox or pf and set it to auto delete into
never never land.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stop NDR

I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
Exch 2K.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: AutoDL

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Hlabse
There was a big discussion within the last week. Check the archives.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: AutoDL


 Does anyone use the AutoDL utility that ships with Exchange2K? There have
 been very few responses to recent questions concerning the configuration
of
 AutoDL, and I'm just curious if it's because no one uses it. The
 instructions aren't very clear, at least for those of us (like me) that
 don't have much experience with SQL or IIS.

 Thanks in advance!
 Mike

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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Drew Nicholson
Figure out a way to unsubscribe them, usually by putting their profile
on your system, and reading the mail that comes in and unsubscribing.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stop NDR


I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
Exch 2K.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread William Lefkovics
 
If you aren't interested in resolving them, add their former SMTP
address as a secondary to a distribution group with no members.  They
will disappear.

William 
 
 
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I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
Exch 2K.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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RE: AutoDL

2002-11-13 Thread Harmon, Michelle M.
I got a brief response about AutoDL, but haven't gotten any useful
documentation or anything of that nature.  

Does anyone have a good document on how to install the product?  I've
followed the instructions given on this list in the past few weeks to
try to make it work but haven't met with success yet.  

Any contributions will be met with eternal gratitude and a beer on me
the next time you're in Houston.  :)

-Original Message-
From: Mike [mailto:mike.koch;ebgames.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AutoDL


Does anyone use the AutoDL utility that ships with Exchange2K? There
have been very few responses to recent questions concerning the
configuration of AutoDL, and I'm just curious if it's because no one
uses it. The instructions aren't very clear, at least for those of us
(like me) that don't have much experience with SQL or IIS.

Thanks in advance!
Mike

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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Durkee, Peter
You need to deploy the old Black Hole DL trick. Make a Distribution List with no 
members, and assign it the smtp addresses of the departed employees. The messages will 
come in to the DL, be delivered to nobody, and then vanish.

Be aware, however, that the senders will receive no indication that they sent to a bad 
address. For this reason I generally don't add departed people's addresses to the 
Black Hole list until they've been gone for awhile and the only people who are still 
sending to them are people like [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Peter


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stop NDR


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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Drew Nicholson
Meow.

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-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


 The answer is because they know a lot more about their
 calendars than you do!
 Why would a user want some lowly e-mail admin controlling how much
 information they show??
Because users generally don't have a clue?  Frankly I'm surprised this
hasn't come up before.  We often have users scheduling meetings months
out. And we want to ensure that when users do this, free/busy data for
that individual is available.

I've found documentation elsewhere about how to change this value for
everyone.  Thanks to all who were actually helpful.

-Yanek.

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RE: Mailbox Count

2002-11-13 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
U...

Open the Exchange Administrator, then expand the appropriate Site,
Configuration and Server branches, expand the required server and then click
on the Server Recipients entry?  It'll tell you exactly how many people are
on that server in the lower left-hand corner.


-Original Message-
From: Bevilacqua.Steve [mailto:Steve.Bevilacqua;suntrust.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mailbox Count


Anyone know a resource for programattically determining the number of
mailboxes on an Exchange 5.5 server?

Thanks

Steve
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RE: No more free/busy data?

2002-11-13 Thread Martin, Jon
The user may know more about their calendars than we do, but we have been
directed by management to make as much calendar info available as possible
to assist in creating a meeting. If you have to call a user who is blocking
this info, it is a waste of time. We update their registry to make 12 months
available at every log on.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Chris Jordan [mailto:Chris.Jordan;cmg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?

You asked:  why the hell do we want our users in control of when their
calendars
are available?

The answer is because they know a lot more about their calendars than you
do!
Why would a user want some lowly e-mail admin controlling how much
information they show??

-Original Message-
From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
Sent: 13 November 2002 15:36
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


Yeah, I saw and read that article.  The real problem here is that ...
well... why the hell do we want our users in control of when their calendars
are available?  Seomtimes meetings need to be scheduled more than 1 month in
advance -- so we make all users go into their settings and change them?  I
think not.  I walk around to everybody's desk and change it for them?  Also
unacceptable.  I load their profile and change it there?  Nope, I don't want
to do that either.  There's got to be a better way... ?

-Yanek.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 09:43
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


 Any value in excess of 12 is ignored.

 Only 12 months of F/B info is available (10 months past and
 one month prior
 to the current day, plus the current month).

 ref: Q262812

 Tim.
 x3683


 -Original Message-
 From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?


 Well that was the first place I looked.  Mine is set to 2
 months, surely.
 However,  I am one of the few individuals who has free/busy
 data available
 until the end of time (sometime in 4051 apparently).  Why am
 I an exception
 (and no, I'm not making the appointment to check this)? 
 There are other
 exceptions too but their free/busy is set to two months also.  Why the
 discrepancy?

 Is it always the 1st of the month?  I would have guessed that
 if today were
 the 13th (and so it is!) that free/busy data would be
 available until Jan
 13, 2003.

 Is there any way to effect a corporate policy on this  enforce it?

 -Yanek.

  -Original Message-
  From: Couch, Nate [mailto:nate.couch;eds.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:23
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: No more free/busy data?
 
 
  Check their settings under Tools - Options - Calendar Options
  - Free/Busy
  Options.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Yanek Korff [mailto:yanek;cigital.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:43 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: No more free/busy data?
 
 
 
  I noticed something odd today and I'm wondering why this is
  the case.  When
  a user goes into their calendar and tries to set an
  appointment for anytime
  after Jan 1, 2003, the calendar displays No Information. 
  Starting exactly
  on Jan 1, 2003.  Mind you there are exceptions... SOME users
  have regular
  grey squares ad infinitum.
 
  What's going on here?
 
  -Yanek.
 
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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
Create A Distribution Group, add to it all the SMTP addresses of the users
that are no longer there, hide the group. Emails disappear. No NDR. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stop NDR


I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
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signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
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RE: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
resend
Create A Distribution Group with no members, add to it all the SMTP
addresses of the users that are no longer there, hide the group. Emails
disappear. No NDR. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stop NDR


I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
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signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
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Re: Stop NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Daniel Chenault
1. Create a dummy alias
2. Add the no-longer-valid addresses to that dummy as alternates
3. Identify the lists
4. Unsub those addresses from those lists

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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: Stop NDR


 I have a number of employees that are no longer with our company and I
 receive a large number of NDR's for mailing lists, SPAM, etc. that they
 signed up for.  What is the best way to eliminate these?  I am running
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Re: Free/Busy Information

2002-11-13 Thread Tony Hlabse
Then I feel it's a  replication issue. I would look in that area.

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


Different servers, node1 holds virtual server1/user1 and node2 holds virtual
server2/user2.  Sorry about the confusion.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Do the users mail info reside on two different servers or just two different
DB's on the same server.
.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


Not sure what you mean by single server?  Exchange,DC,etc?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Sounds like a replication issue. Single server?

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


They are in the same site but their mailboxes reside on different databases
in the same cluster (Ex.user1 belongs to VS1 and user2 to VS2 both on
respective nodes in first cluster).

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse;hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Free/Busy Information


Are all users hitting servers in the same site? There are some limitations
using Active/Active clustering as to which services work.

- Original Message -
From: Chris Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: Free/Busy Information


When the users resolve the attendee they just see no information
followed by // next to the attendee's name, even though the time
is marked as busy.  These calendars can be seen from some users just
fine, but others see no info.  I have made sure all fixes/service packs
were applied on the client side and checked the number of months to
publish/update but still nothing.

Chris

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RE: A question of NDR

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Scharff
PFs don't do NDRs. By design.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 11/13/2002 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: A question of NDR

From the This Just in Dept.:

The secondary mailbox is actually a PF against which the user has
User
permission. The PF is configured correctly to receive inbound email.

return-path with the address of the origin mailbox appears in the
header
of NDR(s) in the origin mailbox. So maybe we have the culprit. Off to
RFC822
to learn about this header item..

Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad;inovis.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: A question of NDR


You mean like this, which worked as advertised, not as you're
experiencing?

Come on Tim - you know we need more details.

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---SNIP

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:25 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 oh come on, andy.. test the accuracy of your reply
 
 send a message from a mailbox that appears to be from
 another. monitor the
 inbox of the other mailbox. you'll find an NDR to a bogus 
 address appears in
 the mailbox named in the From field
 
 
 
 Tim.
 x3683
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:davida;vss.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: A question of NDR
 
 
 By design I believe.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault;westat.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: A question of NDR
 
 
 Scenario:
 
 mailbox1 has user permission against mailbox2.
 mailbox1 sends messages from within mailbox1 with mailbox2
 in From field.
 Any subsequent NDR's appear in Inbox of mailbox1 and not mailbox2.
 
 
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RE: Outlook drops first address in TO: line

2002-11-13 Thread Chris Scharff
User error and/or insufficient data.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry J.
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 11/13/2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Outlook drops first address in TO: line

Have a user that when he types in more than 2 addresses in the TO: line
it
drops the first address. Did a test that had 4 seperate addresses that
all
come to me. The first address did disappear and the e-mail never arrived
to that mailbox. This only happens with multiple addresses. If he sends
an
e-mail to that first mailbox alone it arrives fine. So not matter what
the
first address is, when 3 or more addresses are present the 1st one gets
dropped every time.
Anyone seen this before?

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RE: AutoDL

2002-11-13 Thread Tom Meunier
I'll have to check when I get to work (and of course I'll forget) but
something tells me I read a bit about it in Jim McBee's
_Exchange_2000_24seven_.  If not, there's something useful in the pile
of papers that helps my desk remain firmly rooted to the floor.  My
second guess being that I saw it in Outlook  Exchange Administrator
newsletter within the last several months.

It's hell getting old.

-Original Message-
From: Harmon, Michelle M. [mailto:Michelle.M.Harmon;conoco.com] 
Posted At: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:33 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: AutoDL
Subject: RE: AutoDL


I got a brief response about AutoDL, but haven't gotten any useful
documentation or anything of that nature.  

Does anyone have a good document on how to install the product?  I've
followed the instructions given on this list in the past few weeks to
try to make it work but haven't met with success yet.  

Any contributions will be met with eternal gratitude and a beer on me
the next time you're in Houston.  :)

-Original Message-
From: Mike [mailto:mike.koch;ebgames.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AutoDL


Does anyone use the AutoDL utility that ships with Exchange2K? There
have been very few responses to recent questions concerning the
configuration of AutoDL, and I'm just curious if it's because no one
uses it. The instructions aren't very clear, at least for those of us
(like me) that don't have much experience with SQL or IIS.

Thanks in advance!
Mike


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Ed Crowley
Not to mention Peregrine!

Edgar J. Crowley Jr.
Technical Consultant
Windows  Messaging Platforms Practice
hp Services
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that important document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for DumpsterAlwaysOn.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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