RE: MS Instant Messaging

2003-10-28 Thread Cook, David A.
It has reappeared in Live Communications Server 2003.

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Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging


Why bother with it?  It's gone from Exchange 2003, supposedly to
reappear in
another product.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:13 PM
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Subject: MS Instant Messaging

Does anyone here have much experience with IM server implementation?
Could anyone at least refer me to some good documentation or reference
material. There seems to be precious little out there, from Microsoft or
otherwise.

Thanks!
-A


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RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k

2003-10-28 Thread Ben Winzenz
These are users that will have mailboxes on your Exchange server, no?
If so, why not use OL2003 to convert from Eudora and then merge the
contents into their Exchange mailbox.  Then it doesn't matter which
client they use.

If you insist on doing the additional PST step, you need to be careful
when exporting the PST file from OL2003.  The default format for new PST
files created in OL2003 is the Unicode format, which is NOT supported on
other versions of Outlook.  You have to make sure that you create the
PST file in the old format. 


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From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:46 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
Subject: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k


I need to convert a bunch of users from Eudora 5 to Outlook 2000.
Outlook 2003 has support for importing Eudora 5 messages/mailboxes, so I
was considering using a copy of Outlook 2003 to convert, then exporting
a PST file to Outlook 2000. Is that possible?

Thanks,
Erick

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RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k

2003-10-28 Thread Ben Winzenz
Actually, IIRC, you can choose the format. 


Ben Winzenz
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-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:36 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
Subject: RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k


IIRC OL2003 has a different PST format to OL2002 or lower. All that
means is that you will probably have to use and exchange server to
import the eudora emails into a mailbox using OL2003 and use OL2000 to
drag and drop the emails from the exchange mailbox to a Local PST
folder.

google search resulted in this from
http://www.outlook-tips.net/archives/20030807.htm

If you try Outlook 2003, don't forget that it uses a new Unicode PST
format that is not compatible with previous versions of Outlook. You'll
need to move or copy the Outlook items to an OL97/2002 PST format if you
test Outlook 2003 using a Unicode PST. 

Outlook will not convert your existing PST to Unicode. If you create a
new profile and let Outlook create a new PST, Outlook will use Unicode.

Hotmail and IMAP account use OL97/2002 PST format for the local copy.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=outlook+2003+
pst+formatspell=1

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28/10/2003 12:16:46 p.m. 
I've tried that, but OE doesn't import everything, and often crashes
partway through. These are Eudora mailboxes that have been upgraded from
3.x - 4.x - 5.x, so there is are probably some invalid messages in the
mailboxes that cause the problems.

Thanks,
Erick

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arlo Clizer
 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:49 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
 
 
 Sure. I think outlook express might be able to do it as well (import 
 from Eudora into OE, then Outlook) That might save a little time.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:46 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
 
 I need to convert a bunch of users from Eudora 5 to Outlook 2000. 
 Outlook
 2003 has support for importing Eudora 5 messages/mailboxes, so I was 
 considering using a copy of Outlook 2003 to convert, then exporting a 
 PST file to Outlook 2000. Is that possible?
 
 Thanks,
 Erick
 



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RE: Exchange 2000/3 InterForest Synchronization

2003-10-28 Thread Scoles, Damian
I will look into these options and see what the client wishes to do.
Thanks for all your help.


Damian Scoles
Senior Technical Analyst
MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 2000/3 InterForest Synchronization


Avaliable options I'm aware of:

1.  HP LDAP Directory Synchronization Utility (LDSU)

2.  Microsoft Identity Integration Server (MIIS)

3.  SimpleSync

4.  MS Mail Dirsync (unsupported by Microsoft, but is supposed to work) 

5.  Active Directory Connector (in interorganizational mode)

6.  Your own code

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scoles, Damian
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:03 AM
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Subject: Exchange 2000/3 InterForest Synchronization

I have a client that wants to synch their mailboxes, distribution lists
and custom recipients to other Exchange 2000/3 organizations.  They want
to do this because their company has partnerships with 2 other companies
and are tied together in a loose group.  I know with Exchange 5.5 there
was an InterOrg Synch tool.  For Exchange 2000, I think I will have to
use the Microsoft Metadirectory Services product (which is now called
Microsoft Identity Integration Server 2003).  Can any confirm this or
point me to another solution?  I want something that will be fairly easy
to setup and maintain if possible.  Thanks in advance.


Damian Scoles
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MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+

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RE: NetMeeting

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Exchange 5.5 does not have such component. But Ecxhange 2000
Conferencing Server does. :)

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: NetMeeting

NetMeeting is a peer-to-peer tool.  Exchange has no component to
centralize
this onto a server.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McCready,
Robert
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: NetMeeting

Anybody out there using NetMeeting with Exchange 5.5?  We've never used
it
before, and were looking for a way for several people to communicate
without
having to type in the computer name.  Perhaps a user name or E-mail
address?  Anybody know if that's possible?

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: Tumbleweed

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Last time I used Tumbleweed, it did not care whether it was used with
Exchange or any other mail system. It was installed on a separate
machine and talked SMTP on port 25 with the Exchange server.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


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From: Aaron Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Tumbleweed

We use it here at Hilton. Exchange 2000, with about 10k users.

-A

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Has anyone used tumbleweed with Exchange 2000?

Thanks

Richard Tracy

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RE: Outlook 2002/XP Conecting to Exchange 5.5

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Outlook XP seems to be very picky. Even on the LAN.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Outlook 2002/XP Conecting to Exchange 5.5

Upgrade to Outlook 2003 and use cache mode.  I am advised that it works
with
back versions of Exchange, though I haven't personally verified it.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NetNinja
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2002/XP Conecting to Exchange 5.5

all maybe somebody out there is in a similar predicament.

I have a user who is using Outlook XP/2002 and they are connecting to my
Exchange server via a VPN connection. There is no way in He** that I am
going to setup a pop3 or Imap connection point for them.


Every so often this user starts getting slow response times. A dialog
box
pops up and tries to establish a connection with the exchange server.

I have users who have a similar setup. But they are using Outlook 98 and
Outlook 2000 and they don't experience the same delays.

This user lives out in California but when they came to Atlanta they
were
experiencing the same thing.

Exchange 5.5 has the latest service pack4.

Please don't say upgrade to Exchange 2003. That's not in our budget and
also
we have about 200 email accounts and in Exchange 2003 you have to pay
for
every email account you create.

I think we are going Lotus and drop Microsoft all together.

Anybody have any ideas?


Exchange 5.5 has the lastest serivce pack4.

Please don't say upgrade to Exhchange 2003. That's not in our budget and
also we have about 200 email accounts and in Exchange 2003 you have to
pay
for evey email acount you create.

I think we are going Lotus and drop microsoft all together.

Anybody have any ideas?

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RE: NetMeeting

2003-10-28 Thread Aaron Brasslett
You just need an LDAP server to keep track of each Netmeeting user.  MS used
to have a one called Internet Locator Service (or some such).  Not sure if
it's still available.

Aaron

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From: McCready, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: NetMeeting


Anybody out there using NetMeeting with Exchange 5.5?  We've never used it
before, and were looking for a way for several people to communicate without
having to type in the computer name.  Perhaps a user name or E-mail
address?  Anybody know if that's possible?

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: Outlook 2002/XP Conecting to Exchange 5.5

2003-10-28 Thread Walden H. Leverich III
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Upgrade to Outlook 2003 and use cache mode.

Something that I haven't figured out about cached mode yet, does it bring
_all_ folders over? 

I have 31K items in deleted and 12K items in sent and I don't need them
duplicated to the client. (Exchange Admin shows 1.6Gig in my mailbox) G

-Walden



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RE: Bulk set of primary smtp address

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Users have a little checkbox that makes them listen to the recipient
policies. Turn it off - and the user will never be updated.

Or you could create a number of different recipient policies that would
only match certain users. Then only those users will be affected by the
specific recipient policies.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Uso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address

OK, I got the recipient update service to run, but that didn't turn out
to
be a good idea at all.
Our email addresses are mostly custom addresses they don't have any
fixed
format.
I ended up with additonal SMTP addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The same are also set in the mail field (E-mail field on the General
Tab).

I scripted to add the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set
it as
the primary addresses. I scripted also to reset the mail field to to the
same (E-mail field on the General Tab) however the default policy keeps
setting it back.

What can I do so the default policy doesn't mess up my email names?

thanks
Uso

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From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Bulk set of primary smtp address


 It seems as if your Recipient Update Service isn't running.  Search
TechNet
 for that phrase and start checking out the potential causes.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uso
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:15 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address

 I have set the desired smtp address as primary in my default policy.
And
 applied it (Recipient Update Service) but that hasn't changed anything
for
 me. I still have smtp address with the old name set as primary. What
am I
 doin wrong?

 I tried LDIFDE. My only problem is that I don't have to write a
multivalued
 field and the ProxyAddresses is multivalued.

 regards
 Uso
 - Original Message -
 From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address


 
  use the recipient policy in system manager ...
 
  Uso wrote:
   Exchange 2000.
   regards
   Uso
   - Original Message -
   From: Tony Hlabse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 6:30 PM
   Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address
  
  
  
  Which version of Exchange?
  
  
  From: Uso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Bulk set of primary smtp address
  Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:24:37 +0400
  
  Hi,
  we have been using two SMTP addresses for each user with two
  different domain names.
  I would like to set the primary address of all users to one of
these
  
   domain
  
  names.
  Is there an easy way to do that?
  
  regards
  Uso
  
  
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RE: MS Instant Messaging

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
It worked 50% of the time for me on Exchange 2000.

It actually worked 100% IF I had Windows 2000 for a client. For some
reason Windows 98, ME, and XP clients act differently.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: MS Instant Messaging

Does anyone here have much experience with IM server implementation?
Could anyone at least refer me to some good documentation or reference
material. There seems to be precious little out there, from Microsoft or
otherwise.

Thanks!
-A


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RE: NetMeeting

2003-10-28 Thread March, Harold W.

Site Server ILS Service: it's an optional component you
can install on W2K server.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/server/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/server/help/TAPI_ILS_install.htm

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Brasslett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:56 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussions
Conversation: NetMeeting
Subject: RE: NetMeeting


You just need an LDAP server to keep track of each Netmeeting user.  MS used
to have a one called Internet Locator Service (or some such).  Not sure if
it's still available.

Aaron

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: NetMeeting


Anybody out there using NetMeeting with Exchange 5.5?  We've never used it
before, and were looking for a way for several people to communicate without
having to type in the computer name.  Perhaps a user name or E-mail
address?  Anybody know if that's possible?

Thanks.

Robert

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Weird Exchange 2003 OWA problem

2003-10-28 Thread Bailey, Matthew
I setup an Exchange 2003 server at home to play around with in
anticipation that we will upgrade at work.  I am having a weird problem
that I can't seem to figure out.  

From my computer at work (XPSP1 and IE6SP1), I am unable to reply or
forward an email.  The body of the e-mail appears as a broken image (red
x).  

From another computer here (W2kSP4 and IE6SP1) it works fine.

From my workstation and the server at home, it works fine.

Any clues?

Matt


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SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Matt Plahtinsky
Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Randal, Phil
If you could accept a *n?x solution, I'd recommend taking a look at
Mailscanner, which integrates Spamassassin, Razor, Pyzor, DCC and virus
scanning in a relatively easy to configure setup.  Support is excellent via
the Mailscanner mailing list.

You can find it at http://www.mailscanner.info

I'm about to build a box using it, so I might feel differently about it in a
few weeks.

Cheers,

Phil

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt 
 Plahtinsky
 Sent: 28 October 2003 16:22
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget
 
 
 Hello list,
 I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great 
 detail but I'm
 having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product 
 that's not
 going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
 100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
 are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
 SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux 
 so that's
 out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
 more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
 What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  
 Any help with
 my product search would be great.  
 
 Thanks
 
 Matt
 
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rules and filtering on un-deliverable messages, help please.

2003-10-28 Thread Fred Skrotzki
Sorry if this is posted posted twice I got a error back the first time because of 
subject.

Ok I've not figured out a way to filter on the exception/undeliverable report or 
informaion contained in it.

This is how we have it configured and working so I do get the messages:

We Collect e-mails that are bounced for several web servers we have that send e-mail 
notices from web page visits requesting additional info or when items become available 
or is ordered (so the addresses are stored in a DB).

Of course there are those people that can not type, provide invalid addresses or older 
ones that are no longer available.

So when we send e-mail and it gets bounced at the server all of these get forwarded to 
a special account on our exchange server then sorted into folders (Sort by from 
address in originally message) for each server and DB.

This is all no problem

Now I want to extract the information on the reason for the failure..

you know the:

--

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

  Subject:  We've received your order!
  Sent: 10/28/2003 11:02 AM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/28/2003 11:02 AM
The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a 
specific reason.  Check the address and try again.  If it still fails, contact your 
system administrator.
someserver.com #5.0.0 smtp;550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] unknown user account

--

this is what I'm looking for:

I can't seem to get access to the information in a undeliverable report portion or 
have it exported.

1. Anybody have any ideas?

What I'm trying to do is grab all the of the 550 errors so I can create a list of 
e-mail accounts that are dead.

2. I also can't seem to create a rule that will filter on this specific information. 
If I could then I could create a subfolder then export just the e-mail addresses from 
that folder and I've have the list also.

so any help is appricated.

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Arlo Clizer
We've been using Spamassassin for several months now. For being free it
really does help out. We haven't updated to the latest version and I'm sure
that has limited its effectiveness. It really isn't hard to configure and
there is some excellent documentation available on the web.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Ward, Stuart
Recently done exactly that with same previous exposure to Linux as you Matt.
Works well, but still tweaking...

All config information gathered from web - Linux downloaded from RedHat.

Stu



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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget


We've been using Spamassassin for several months now. For being free it
really does help out. We haven't updated to the latest version and I'm sure
that has limited its effectiveness. It really isn't hard to configure and
there is some excellent documentation available on the web.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Chris Levis
http://www.gfi.com/news/en/msec8freeware.htm

GFI has a free virusscanner with some content scanning ability.  I
haven't really looked at it (cuz we've been using Trend), but it might
be useful for you. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget
 
 Hello list,
 I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great 
 detail but I'm having problems finding a good gateway SPAM 
 filtering product that's not going to cost me a lot of money. 
 I have a small organization of about 100 users.  The products 
 that I have found that are reasonably priced are Xwall 
 ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with 
 SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux 
 so that's out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good 
 product but I want a few more to compare.  My budget won't 
 allow for more than about $800.00.
 What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  
 Any help with my product search would be great.  
 
 Thanks
 
 Matt
 
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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Dickenson, Steven
While I use a custom SpamAssassin/Linux setup here, we looked at GFI
MailEssentials.  For our setup (~400 mailboxes), it was only $950.

My advice would be to find someone who does know Linux (a student, maybe?)
and have them assist you in setting up a Linux/SpamAssassin box.  There are
many, many guides available on the Internet to do this sort of thing.

Here's two...
http://www.geocities.com/scottlhenderson/spamfilter.html
http://lawmonkey.org/anti-spam.html

Steven
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The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
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Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget


Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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IronMail

2003-10-28 Thread Peter Blouin
Has anyone reviewed, tested, or used the IronMail appliance from Cipher
Trust (http://www.ciphertrust.com/index.html)? We are interested in its
spam filtering and security capabilities.

TIA, Peter

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Re: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread bscott
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, at 11:21am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My problem with SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about
 Linux so that's out of the question.

  Running Linux - $32
  Linux Administration Handbook - $45
  Getting an anti-spam solution that works, for free - Priceless

  Some things in life are priceless.  For everything else, there's Amazon.

  ;-)

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Woodruff, Michael
http://www.nwfusion.com/reviews/2003/0915spam.html


Here is how well they work in production.  Not sure about pricing
though, call em.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Plahtinsky
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Martin Blackstone
::pats MailFrontier box:: 

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

http://www.nwfusion.com/reviews/2003/0915spam.html


Here is how well they work in production.  Not sure about pricing
though, call em.  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Plahtinsky
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: MS Instant Messaging

2003-10-28 Thread Anthony Sollars
We are using Live Comm. Server here in a pilot environment and it is working
great. We plan to roll it out right along side our Exchange 2003 migration.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:10 AM
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Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

It worked 50% of the time for me on Exchange 2000.

It actually worked 100% IF I had Windows 2000 for a client. For some
reason Windows 98, ME, and XP clients act differently.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


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Subject: MS Instant Messaging

Does anyone here have much experience with IM server implementation?
Could anyone at least refer me to some good documentation or reference
material. There seems to be precious little out there, from Microsoft or
otherwise.

Thanks!
-A


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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
Those tests were not all that great.. The results are off due to bad
imput.. 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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Michael
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http://www.nwfusion.com/reviews/2003/0915spam.html


Here is how well they work in production.  Not sure about pricing
though, call em.  

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Plahtinsky
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
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Thanks

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Woodruff, Michael
Well, we have had 3 of the products listed and its pretty accurate for
those. 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:17 PM
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Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

Those tests were not all that great.. The results are off due to bad
imput.. 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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Michael
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http://www.nwfusion.com/reviews/2003/0915spam.html


Here is how well they work in production.  Not sure about pricing
though, call em.  

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
The ones at the top right = ] 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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Michael
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:19 AM
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Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

Well, we have had 3 of the products listed and its pretty accurate for
those. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevinm[MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:17 PM
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Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

Those tests were not all that great.. The results are off due to bad
imput.. 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woodruff,
Michael
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

http://www.nwfusion.com/reviews/2003/0915spam.html


Here is how well they work in production.  Not sure about pricing
though, call em.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Plahtinsky
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: Public Folders not replicating to Exchange 2003 from Exchange 2000

2003-10-28 Thread HOLLIDAY, Eric
Anyone, anyone...

Bueller, Bueller? 


Eric


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Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:06 AM
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Subject: Public Folders not replicating to Exchange 2003 from Exchange
2000

To all,

My company uses Public Folders regularly, with no problems until now.
We recently upgraded two of our Exchange servers (the FE  1 BE) to Win
2003/Exch 2003  moved all of the techs' accounts over to the upgraded
server test the setup. All is well, EXCEPT: some, but not all of the
Public Folder contents have replicated to the Exchange 2003 BE server.
This server should have had enough time (?) to replicate all of the
contents of the public folders - it was upgraded on 13 Nov.


When I go into ESM 2003 to manually send the contents from Exch2k to the
PF's on the 2003 server, the only server in the 'source server' column
is the one I want to send the content _to_, not from.
 
Am I missing something somewhere?  Should I wait a bit longer for
replication?
 
My environment:
7 Exchange Ent. Ed. servers in a FE/BE setup:
5 BE servers are Win 2000 SP4 / Exch 2000 SP3
1 FE and 1 BE server are Win 2003 / Exch 2003
 
 
Any ideas or suggestions are welcome.
 
 
Thank you,

Eric Holliday
Exchange Administrator
Corporate Information Systems
Logistics Management Institute
(703) 917-7117
2000 Corporate Ridge
McLean, Virginia 22102
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RE: RPC over HTTP - help needed

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
I am pretty much in the same boat you are in, Lets watch this support
web cast and see if it is helpful. Starts in about 30 minutes..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=829134

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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Majlandt
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RPC over HTTP - help needed

Hope any one can help.
When I try to connect from Outook to Exchange with RPC over HTTP, my
username/password are rejected.

(My domianname are corp.test.dk)

Con
DC Computername : TESTEXCH
Windows Server 2003 - Exchange Server 2003 (the only Exchange server I
have)
Cerificated is installed on this is also working at OWA where I use
formbased logon and HTTPS

1) RPC over HTTP networking services are installed in the Windows
Components Wizard
2) At the IIS the Basic authentication are selected in Authenticated
access, at the Default website at the RPC directory. (Enable anonymous
access same place are still checked)
3) The following are put as value here
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\Microsoft\Rpc\RpcProxy in ValidPorts
TESTEXCH:593;testexch.corp.test.dk:593;TESTEXCH:6001-6002;testexch.corp
.test.dk:6001-6002;TESTEXCH:6004;testexch.corp.test.dk:6004;
TESTPRINT:593;testprint.corp.test.dk:593;TESTPRINT:6004;filprint.corp.te
st.dk:6004


DC Computername : TESTPRINT
(GC - Global Catalog) Windows Server 2003
1) The following are put as made as a Multi-String Value named NSPI
interface protocol her
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NTDS\Parameters

Client (my home PC)
Windows XP SR1 - updated on WIndowsUpdate with latest security fixes and
so on and the Hotfix regarding RPC over HTTP to WindowsXP
and Outlook 2003
Configuration
Made a new profile - named it OutlookRPC.
Add a new e-mail account - in server type choose Microsoft Exchange
Server.
As Microsoft Excange Server : https://webmail.test.dk (this is the same
URL i use when I connect to the OWA from home and this is working fine,
with formbased logon)
In username - my username
In more settings - Exchange Proxy settings
Use this URL to connect to my proxy server for exchange :
webmail.test.dk
Selected Connect using SSL only
Selected Mutually authenticated the session when connecting with SSL
  and in the Principle name for proxy server :
msstd:testexch.corp.test.dk
In Proxy authentication selected Basic authentication

I do belive that I have made everything right - but when I try to
connect
my username and password are rejected no matter what I write. I use the
samme username/password to connect to OWA and to logon at my work PC.

Any1 have any ideas where to look for a way to find a fix for the
error
I have that the password/username are rejected.

Tx
Troels Majlandt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Paul Hutchings
I'll also chime in and suggest spamassassin, I've used both this and Xwall
and they are both excellent products.  

I should stress that I haven't used its bayes functionallity, but Xwall is a
very nice product for the money, in fact I still use it as a gateway between
our LAN and our DMZ, but I stopped using it for spam filtering as I found
keywords and RBLs to be a little too black and white (though to stress
again, I've not really tried its bayes filtering).

I currently use spamassassin, and I don't think I can over-emphasize just
how good it is considering the cost.  Granted it takes a little time to
setup, but I'd suggest that once you've downloaded some ISOs (I used Redhat,
mostly because it's one of the best supported/documented linuxes) it
shouldn't take more than a few hours to setup a simply postfix install, then
take a look at http://advosys.ca/papers/printable/postfix-filtering.html for
a way of plugging spamassassin into things.

Just give it a try, I also fall into the don't know much about linux
category, but I found it simple enough to pick up the info I needed, and
because it's linux there's a ton of free useful info on the web...

Paul

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 October 2003 16:22
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget
 
 
 Hello list,
 I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great 
 detail but I'm
 having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product 
 that's not
 going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
 100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
 are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
 SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux 
 so that's
 out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
 more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
 What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  
 Any help with
 my product search would be great.  
 
 Thanks
 
 Matt
 
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RE: MS Instant Messaging

2003-10-28 Thread Bailey, Matthew
Were you using IM on EX2000?  Is there a migration tool?

 - Matt

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

We are using Live Comm. Server here in a pilot environment and it is
working
great. We plan to roll it out right along side our Exchange 2003
migration.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov,
Andrey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

It worked 50% of the time for me on Exchange 2000.

It actually worked 100% IF I had Windows 2000 for a client. For some
reason Windows 98, ME, and XP clients act differently.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: MS Instant Messaging

Does anyone here have much experience with IM server implementation?
Could anyone at least refer me to some good documentation or reference
material. There seems to be precious little out there, from Microsoft or
otherwise.

Thanks!
-A


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OT: Password Changing

2003-10-28 Thread Morgan, Joshua (Greenville)
My company is about to implement a security policy that forces users to
change their passwords every 60 Days.
Problem some of our user accounts do not have self listed under security
permissions within the ADUC. This user gets access denied when trying to
change his/her password. 

This is an upgraded Windows 2000 Domain   upgraded from NT 4.0 to Windows
2000 

All Dc's Are Currently Windows 2000 SP4 and we are in Native Mode.
Note we have tried to add Self under security but once replication occurs it
removes Self.

Has anyone ever heard of this ?

TIA,
Joshua

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RE: Password Changing

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
You need to check the check box to inherit permissions on the sec tab.
That should make you happier. 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Morgan, Joshua
(Greenville)
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OT: Password Changing

My company is about to implement a security policy that forces users to
change their passwords every 60 Days.
Problem some of our user accounts do not have self listed under security
permissions within the ADUC. This user gets access denied when trying to
change his/her password. 

This is an upgraded Windows 2000 Domain   upgraded from NT 4.0 to
Windows
2000 

All Dc's Are Currently Windows 2000 SP4 and we are in Native Mode.
Note we have tried to add Self under security but once replication
occurs it
removes Self.

Has anyone ever heard of this ?

TIA,
Joshua

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
I hear IMGate is really good.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: MS Instant Messaging

2003-10-28 Thread Anthony Sollars
No we sure weren't, we never went to Exchange 2000, still on 5.5

Anthony L. Sollars
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Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
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2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bailey, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

Were you using IM on EX2000?  Is there a migration tool?

 - Matt

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

We are using Live Comm. Server here in a pilot environment and it is
working
great. We plan to roll it out right along side our Exchange 2003
migration.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov,
Andrey
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MS Instant Messaging

It worked 50% of the time for me on Exchange 2000.

It actually worked 100% IF I had Windows 2000 for a client. For some
reason Windows 98, ME, and XP clients act differently.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: MS Instant Messaging

Does anyone here have much experience with IM server implementation?
Could anyone at least refer me to some good documentation or reference
material. There seems to be precious little out there, from Microsoft or
otherwise.

Thanks!
-A


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RE: Tumbleweed

2003-10-28 Thread Anthony Sollars
Yep exactly Andrey, we use it here very successfully for about 16K users.

Anthony L. Sollars
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Tumbleweed

Last time I used Tumbleweed, it did not care whether it was used with
Exchange or any other mail system. It was installed on a separate
machine and talked SMTP on port 25 with the Exchange server.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


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From: Aaron Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Tumbleweed

We use it here at Hilton. Exchange 2000, with about 10k users.

-A

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Has anyone used tumbleweed with Exchange 2000?

Thanks

Richard Tracy

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Woods, Tony
I had a budget to work with, did all kinds of research until I found out we
had the Enterprise License for SAV products... This meant that I was already
licensed for SAV for SMTP Gateways, which does SPAM, Attachaments, virus
scanning, subject blocking and DNSBL's too. My point being that maybe you're
already licensed for a product and don't know it... Just a thought

Cheers,
Tony

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:22 AM
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Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget


Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about 100
users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced are Xwall
($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with SpamAssassin is that I
don't know the first thing about Linux so that's out of the question.  Xwall
seems like a good product but I want a few more to compare.  My budget won't
allow for more than about $800.00. What cheep products are you using.
Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Freddie Soerensen
Try Logsat's Spamfilter at www.logsat.com

You can try it for as long as you want and if you want to register, it is
USD 400.- per server

Freddie


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Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 17:22
To: Exchange Discussions

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about 100
users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced are Xwall
($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with SpamAssassin is that I
don't know the first thing about Linux so that's out of the question.  Xwall
seems like a good product but I want a few more to compare.  My budget won't
allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with my
product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Marc Smith
www.antespam.com

$25/month for an entire site.  Works great and it is hosted somewhere
else so you don't have to worry about maintaining the hardware.  It's
based on SpamAssassin.  

-Marc

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Plahtinsky
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:22 AM
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Subject: SPAM filtering on a budget

Hello list,
I know SPAM filtering products have been covered in great detail but I'm
having problems finding a good gateway SPAM filtering product that's not
going to cost me a lot of money. I have a small organization of about
100 users.  The products that I have found that are reasonably priced
are Xwall ($360.00) and SpamAssassin (free). My problem with
SpamAssassin is that I don't know the first thing about Linux so that's
out of the question.  Xwall seems like a good product but I want a few
more to compare.  My budget won't allow for more than about $800.00.
What cheep products are you using.  Good/Bad experiences.  Any help with
my product search would be great.  

Thanks

Matt

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RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k

2003-10-28 Thread Erick Thompson
That's a really good point, I hadn't thought of that. I'm still used to the non 
Exchange world. Good to arrive in Exchange world. :-)

To do this best, would I just reconfigure the Exchange Server service for each 
mailbox? I assume that would connect to the specified mailbox, and nothing else would 
be needed.

Thanks,
Erick

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Winzenz
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:54 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
 
 
 These are users that will have mailboxes on your Exchange server, no?
 If so, why not use OL2003 to convert from Eudora and then merge the
 contents into their Exchange mailbox.  Then it doesn't matter which
 client they use.
 
 If you insist on doing the additional PST step, you need to be careful
 when exporting the PST file from OL2003.  The default format 
 for new PST
 files created in OL2003 is the Unicode format, which is NOT 
 supported on
 other versions of Outlook.  You have to make sure that you create the
 PST file in the old format. 
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:46 PM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
 Subject: Move PST between Outlook 03 and Outlook 2k
 
 
 I need to convert a bunch of users from Eudora 5 to Outlook 2000.
 Outlook 2003 has support for importing Eudora 5 
 messages/mailboxes, so I
 was considering using a copy of Outlook 2003 to convert, then 
 exporting
 a PST file to Outlook 2000. Is that possible?
 
 Thanks,
 Erick
 
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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Boyd, Nathan

My advice would be to find someone who does know Linux (a student, maybe?)
and have them assist you in setting up a Linux/SpamAssassin box.  There are
many, many guides available on the Internet to do this sort of thing.

___


If you are a pure Microsoft shop I would consider the costs of moving from a
standardized environment for just one product.

It is not just an issue of today's installation, of course you will need to
learn linux/unix spamassassin and sendmail, which is fun, and then learn how
to support it.  You should also consider how the company will support non
standard NOS in the future i.e. when you leave, especially if spamassasin
becomes the gateway, therefore becoming a critical system.

I learnt UNIX at UC Berkeley, so don't take me as a Microsoft centric
person, but I have seen the implications of this move.  Network Environments
that are mainly Microsoft standard and start adding a couple of free Linux
boxes for a saving of a couple of grand tend to end up spending a lot more
in the long run.

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RE: SPAM filtering on a budget

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
There are win32 versions of spam assassin as well. 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: SPAM filtering on a budget


My advice would be to find someone who does know Linux (a student,
maybe?)
and have them assist you in setting up a Linux/SpamAssassin box.  There
are
many, many guides available on the Internet to do this sort of thing.

___


If you are a pure Microsoft shop I would consider the costs of moving
from a
standardized environment for just one product.

It is not just an issue of today's installation, of course you will need
to
learn linux/unix spamassassin and sendmail, which is fun, and then learn
how
to support it.  You should also consider how the company will support
non
standard NOS in the future i.e. when you leave, especially if
spamassasin
becomes the gateway, therefore becoming a critical system.

I learnt UNIX at UC Berkeley, so don't take me as a Microsoft centric
person, but I have seen the implications of this move.  Network
Environments
that are mainly Microsoft standard and start adding a couple of free
Linux
boxes for a saving of a couple of grand tend to end up spending a lot
more
in the long run.

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Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Miller, Robert
All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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Exch 5.5 Routing Question

2003-10-28 Thread Woods, Tony
Hello,

Exchange 5.5 SP4 on W2K SP4 boxes. 1 ORG, 3 Sites (A, B, C) in three
different cities across N.A.

I have 2 x400 connectors setup in each location. Each site is setup the same
in that they all have two x400 connectors, each going to one of the other
sites. If the VPN link between Site A and Site C goes down and site C is
trying to send mail to Site A, will Site C route it's mail through Site B to
get to Site A? If not, how can I make this so? Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Tony

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
What kind of security are you looking for? Encryption?

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are
tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed
done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far
that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability
to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user
interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4.
must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Miller, Robert
Yes, Encryption... I don't think we have a need for signatures

Thanks

 -Original Message-
 From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:29 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 What kind of security are you looking for? Encryption?
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Andrey Fyodorov
 Systems Engineer
 Messaging and Collaboration
 Spherion
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:49 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Secure E-Mail
 
 All,
 
 Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are
 tasked
 with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed
 done
 some research and investigation and have come up with 2 
 products so far
 that
 look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
 experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
 vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability
 to
 send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user
 interaction
 or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4.
 must be
 scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system
 
 TIA
 
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Re: Exch 5.5 Routing Question

2003-10-28 Thread Tony Hlabse
I believe the Qwart file takes care of that in 5.5 which was elliminated in 
2000.

From: Woods, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Exch 5.5 Routing Question
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:08:19 -0800
Hello,

Exchange 5.5 SP4 on W2K SP4 boxes. 1 ORG, 3 Sites (A, B, C) in three
different cities across N.A.
I have 2 x400 connectors setup in each location. Each site is setup the same
in that they all have two x400 connectors, each going to one of the other
sites. If the VPN link between Site A and Site C goes down and site C is
trying to send mail to Site A, will Site C route it's mail through Site B to
get to Site A? If not, how can I make this so? Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Tony
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Tony Hlabse
I am thinking that SSL and using a group policy applied to the users in 
question would be possible

From: Miller, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:35:16 -0600
Yes, Encryption... I don't think we have a need for signatures

Thanks

 -Original Message-
 From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:29 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail


 What kind of security are you looking for? Encryption?

 Sincerely,

 Andrey Fyodorov
 Systems Engineer
 Messaging and Collaboration
 Spherion


 -Original Message-
 From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:49 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Secure E-Mail

 All,

 Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are
 tasked
 with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed
 done
 some research and investigation and have come up with 2
 products so far
 that
 look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
 experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
 vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability
 to
 send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user
 interaction
 or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4.
 must be
 scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

 TIA

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Anthony Sollars
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
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Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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Re: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Dean Cunningham
http://www.e-government.govt.nz/docs/see-mail-bus-req-2-2/chapter1.html
http://www.e-government.govt.nz/see/index.asp

The NZ government has been down this path and the first link gives some practical 
requirements in regard to RFCs etc.

May be of some help

Mimesweeper has secrectsweeper and mail marshal has mail marshal secure. (I remember 
these two met NZ govt requirements inconjunction with vendor implementation)

1. There will be some
2. What do you mean? once it has left your gateway your stuffed.
3. Well tumbleweed does not meet that requirement (from reading its specs)
4. You need to either get something to plug into your SMTP gateways (what are they?) 
or replace them with something else. There is no whay an existing gateway is likey to 
be able to decrypt a secure message to scan it to chech for virii, attachments 
etc..


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 8:48:36 a.m. 
All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Dean Cunningham
How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the destination 
email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
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Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
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or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Martin Blackstone
This is what I'm wondering.
There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt this stuff. 

-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
destination email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Dean Cunningham
Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered

from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient does not need any special 
software installed for them to receive and read the message. The recipient opens the 
encrypted email using their standard email client and Web browser.

tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
This is what I'm wondering.
There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt this stuff. 
-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
destination email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Martin Blackstone
Very interesting.
So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the wire, but I
doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely they are worried
about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat finger an email
address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?

-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered

from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient does not need
any special software installed for them to receive and read the message. The
recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard email client and
Web browser.

tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
This is what I'm wondering.
There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt this stuff. 
-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
destination email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
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Re: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread bscott
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, at 1:48pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to send and receive
 secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction or training

  That is a contradiction.

  Security is about trust.  In order to trust another party, you have to
trust them to do the right thing.  You need to trust them to have a secure
system.  You need to trust them to have the latest patches.  To use a
firewall.  To not use the same password everywhere.  To not have viruses,
worms, spyware, and peer-to-peer programs on their computers.  And so on.  
You cannot have trust if you have no interaction.

  All the technology in the world won't help you if the problem is the
operator and not the computer.

  Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Miller, Robert
I think you are missing the point of my statement - when I stated no user
interaction I am referring to not having the requirement of the attorney
having to do anything special prior to sending the message (as with client
side certs - where the attorney has to hit the encrypt button on his
toolbar before sending). I want everything done server/gateway side - with
no interaction from the attorney. I hope this makes sense

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:39 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, at 1:48pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to 
 send and receive
  secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction 
 or training
 
   That is a contradiction.
 
   Security is about trust.  In order to trust another party, 
 you have to
 trust them to do the right thing.  You need to trust them to 
 have a secure
 system.  You need to trust them to have the latest patches.  To use a
 firewall.  To not use the same password everywhere.  To not 
 have viruses,
 worms, spyware, and peer-to-peer programs on their computers. 
  And so on.  
 You cannot have trust if you have no interaction.
 
   All the technology in the world won't help you if the problem is the
 operator and not the computer.
 
   Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
 
 -- 
 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 author and do  |
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 organization. |
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Dean Cunningham
Without having used either product :-) yeah, correct.
It looks like more of a pull delivery mechanism as in one way , to client.
Be interesting to see how they would do a secure send to the attorney using any mail 
package. I would suspect it would have to be browser based to meet Rob's 3) which is 
not really email

http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/products/secure_email.html 

for tumbleweed sales speak


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:25:14 a.m. 
Very interesting.
So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the wire, but I
doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely they are worried
about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat finger an email
address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?

-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered

from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient does not need
any special software installed for them to receive and read the message. The
recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard email client and
Web browser.

tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
This is what I'm wondering.
There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt this stuff. 
-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
destination email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4. must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA
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2003-10-28 Thread Steck, Herb
I am sure this has been asked before, but I can't find it in my archives of the group.

The powers that be have decided to impliment an e-mail retension policy.  The policy 
states that all e-mail older then a certain amount of time will be automatically 
deleted off the server.  This would include all folders, sent mail, deleted, etc.

Is it possible to do this within Exchange 2000 Enterprise?  Or is an additional piece 
of software required.

At least they also have in the policy that no pst's are allowed, thank goodness.

Thanks all!

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Miller, Robert
my requirement for number 3) the attorneys need to be able to send
secure/encrypted email to a client using either his Outlook client on his
office laptop - his Outlook client on his home computer - or OWA (from any
machine).

 -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:55 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 Without having used either product :-) yeah, correct.
 It looks like more of a pull delivery mechanism as in one way 
 , to client.
 Be interesting to see how they would do a secure send to the 
 attorney using any mail package. I would suspect it would 
 have to be browser based to meet Rob's 3) which is not really 
 email
 
 http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/products/secure_email.html 
 
 for tumbleweed sales speak
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:25:14 a.m. 
 Very interesting.
 So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the 
 wire, but I
 doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely 
 they are worried
 about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat finger an email
 address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered
 
 from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
 When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient 
 does not need
 any special software installed for them to receive and read 
 the message. The
 recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard 
 email client and
 Web browser.
 
 tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
 This is what I'm wondering.
 There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt 
 this stuff. -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
 destination email client is not known?
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
 Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management 
 Server? We are
 going forward with this most likely.
 
 Anthony L. Sollars
 Technology Consultant
 Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
 480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
 *  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (  425.254.4845
 )   425.681.4190
 2   425.793.6000
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Miller, Robert
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Secure E-Mail
 
 All,
 
 Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. 
 We are tasked
 with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have 
 indeed done
 some research and investigation and have come up with 2 
 products so far that
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 vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with 
 the ability to
 send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no 
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 scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system
 
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Martin Blackstone
Why do they want encryption? Is truly so it cant be sniffed over the wire or
is it more that they don't want email to fall into the wrong hands? 

-Original Message-
From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

my requirement for number 3) the attorneys need to be able to send
secure/encrypted email to a client using either his Outlook client on his
office laptop - his Outlook client on his home computer - or OWA (from any
machine).

 -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:55 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 Without having used either product :-) yeah, correct.
 It looks like more of a pull delivery mechanism as in one way 
 , to client.
 Be interesting to see how they would do a secure send to the 
 attorney using any mail package. I would suspect it would 
 have to be browser based to meet Rob's 3) which is not really 
 email
 
 http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/products/secure_email.html 
 
 for tumbleweed sales speak
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:25:14 a.m. 
 Very interesting.
 So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the 
 wire, but I
 doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely 
 they are worried
 about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat finger an email
 address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered
 
 from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
 When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient 
 does not need
 any special software installed for them to receive and read 
 the message. The
 recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard 
 email client and
 Web browser.
 
 tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
 This is what I'm wondering.
 There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt 
 this stuff. -Original Message-
 From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
 destination email client is not known?
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
 Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management 
 Server? We are
 going forward with this most likely.
 
 Anthony L. Sollars
 Technology Consultant
 Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
 480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
 *  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (  425.254.4845
 )   425.681.4190
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Miller, Robert
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Secure E-Mail
 
 All,
 
 Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. 
 We are tasked
 with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have 
 indeed done
 some research and investigation and have come up with 2 
 products so far that
 look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
 experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
 vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with 
 the ability to
 send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no 
 user interaction
 or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client 
 specific 4. must be
 scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system
 
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Miller, Robert
they want it because their clients and legal peers have it... :) but that's
another story...

Actually both - from the CTO (and he was an attorney for years and used
Tumbleweed at his prior firm)...

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:00 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 Why do they want encryption? Is truly so it cant be sniffed 
 over the wire or
 is it more that they don't want email to fall into the wrong hands? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:00 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 my requirement for number 3) the attorneys need to be able to send
 secure/encrypted email to a client using either his Outlook 
 client on his
 office laptop - his Outlook client on his home computer - or 
 OWA (from any
 machine).
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:55 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  
  Without having used either product :-) yeah, correct.
  It looks like more of a pull delivery mechanism as in one way 
  , to client.
  Be interesting to see how they would do a secure send to the 
  attorney using any mail package. I would suspect it would 
  have to be browser based to meet Rob's 3) which is not really 
  email
  
  http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/products/secure_email.html 
  
  for tumbleweed sales speak
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:25:14 a.m. 
  Very interesting.
  So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the 
  wire, but I
  doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely 
  they are worried
  about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat 
 finger an email
  address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered
  
  from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
  When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient 
  does not need
  any special software installed for them to receive and read 
  the message. The
  recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard 
  email client and
  Web browser.
  
  tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
  This is what I'm wondering.
  There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt 
  this stuff. -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, 
 where the
  destination email client is not known?
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
  Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management 
  Server? We are
  going forward with this most likely.
  
  Anthony L. Sollars
  Technology Consultant
  Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
  480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (  425.254.4845
  )   425.681.4190
  2   425.793.6000
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Miller, Robert
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Secure E-Mail
  
  All,
  
  Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. 
  We are tasked
  with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have 
  indeed done
  some research and investigation and have come up with 2 
  products so far that
  look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
  experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
  vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with 
  the ability to
  send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no 
  user interaction
  or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client 
  specific 4. must be
  scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering 
 our system
  
  TIA
  Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
  
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Tumbleweed has two products.

One was actually developed by Worldtalk, it was called WorldSecure
Server. Then Tumbleweed bought Worldtalk.
This product is just like MimeSweeper, although I like its admin
interface better than Mimesweeper. Rules are built in a similar manner
to Outlook Rules Wizard. It does content scanning. It also can encrypt
and decrypt mail. So if you have Tumbleweed on one side and Tumbleweed
on the other side, you can encrypt all mail flying between them.



The other Tumbleweed product was designed by Tumbleweed. What it does is
that User A sends message to User B, but Use B does not receive it right
away. Instead the message goes to a secure server at Tumbleweed site.
User B receives a notification message from Tumbleweed with a link to
where the message from User A is stored. User B clicks on the link,
authenticates and retrieves the message.



Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

This is what I'm wondering.
There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt this
stuff. 

-Original Message-
From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, where the
destination email client is not known?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management Server? We are
going forward with this most likely.

Anthony L. Sollars
Technology Consultant
Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(  425.254.4845
)   425.681.4190
2   425.793.6000
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Secure E-Mail

All,

Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. We are
tasked
with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have indeed
done
some research and investigation and have come up with 2 products so far
that
look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability
to
send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no user
interaction
or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client specific 4.
must be
scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering our system

TIA

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Well, in order to use PKI encryption, one has to have the recipient's
public key.

I think Worldtalk (now Tumbleweed) was considering to implement the
repository of remote recipients' public keys. Then one could write a
rule on Tumbleweed server that would detect that message is going from
User A to User B and automatically encrypt it with User B's public key.
I don't know if they ever implemented this feature. Depending on the
number of people communicating, this could be a very tedious task to
maintain such repository (unless it is designed to automatically snatch
public keys from every digitally signed message it sees)

Back when I used Worldtalk a few years ago there was only a way to
encrypt mail between servers - the rule would detect that mail is going
from Server A to Server B, therefore it should be encrypted with Server
B's public key.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

I think you are missing the point of my statement - when I stated no
user
interaction I am referring to not having the requirement of the
attorney
having to do anything special prior to sending the message (as with
client
side certs - where the attorney has to hit the encrypt button on his
toolbar before sending). I want everything done server/gateway side -
with
no interaction from the attorney. I hope this makes sense

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:39 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, at 1:48pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The goal is to provide our attorneys with the ability to 
 send and receive
  secure email with their clients with 1. no user interaction 
 or training
 
   That is a contradiction.
 
   Security is about trust.  In order to trust another party, 
 you have to
 trust them to do the right thing.  You need to trust them to 
 have a secure
 system.  You need to trust them to have the latest patches.  To use a
 firewall.  To not use the same password everywhere.  To not 
 have viruses,
 worms, spyware, and peer-to-peer programs on their computers. 
  And so on.  
 You cannot have trust if you have no interaction.
 
   All the technology in the world won't help you if the problem is the
 operator and not the computer.
 
   Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
 
 -- 
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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Time to pick their peers' admins' brains to see how they did it :)

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail

they want it because their clients and legal peers have it... :) but
that's
another story...

Actually both - from the CTO (and he was an attorney for years and used
Tumbleweed at his prior firm)...

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:00 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 
 Why do they want encryption? Is truly so it cant be sniffed 
 over the wire or
 is it more that they don't want email to fall into the wrong hands? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:00 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
 
 my requirement for number 3) the attorneys need to be able to send
 secure/encrypted email to a client using either his Outlook 
 client on his
 office laptop - his Outlook client on his home computer - or 
 OWA (from any
 machine).
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:55 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  
  Without having used either product :-) yeah, correct.
  It looks like more of a pull delivery mechanism as in one way 
  , to client.
  Be interesting to see how they would do a secure send to the 
  attorney using any mail package. I would suspect it would 
  have to be browser based to meet Rob's 3) which is not really 
  email
  
  http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/products/secure_email.html 
  
  for tumbleweed sales speak
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:25:14 a.m. 
  Very interesting.
  So what's the point? I mean sure, you cant read it over the 
  wire, but I
  doubt that's what attorneys are worried about. More likely 
  they are worried
  about email falling into the wrong hands.  So if I fat 
 finger an email
  address, the wrong recipient will still be able to read it, correct?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:16 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  Thats where tumbleweed and mimesweeper seem to have that bit covered
  
  from mimsweeper's publicity blurb
  When using the Send-Anywhere functionality the recipient 
  does not need
  any special software installed for them to receive and read 
  the message. The
  recipient opens the encrypted email using their standard 
  email client and
  Web browser.
  
  tumbleweed has a a similar ability apparently
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 10:02:39 a.m. 
  This is what I'm wondering.
  There has to be a mechanism on the receiving end to unencrypt 
  this stuff. -Original Message-
  From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Secure E-Mail
  
  How does that enable distant clients to see encrypted mail, 
 where the
  destination email client is not known?
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/10/2003 9:44:35 a.m. 
  Have you looked into Exchange 2003 and Rights Management 
  Server? We are
  going forward with this most likely.
  
  Anthony L. Sollars
  Technology Consultant
  Information Technology Division, PACCAR Inc.
  480 Houser Way North, Renton Wa., 98055
  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (  425.254.4845
  )   425.681.4190
  2   425.793.6000
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Miller, Robert
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Secure E-Mail
  
  All,
  
  Just wondering what companies were using for Secure E-Mail. 
  We are tasked
  with implementing a Secure E-Mail solution in FY '05. We have 
  indeed done
  some research and investigation and have come up with 2 
  products so far that
  look promising (Tumbleweed and Certified mail). Has anyone had any
  experience or interaction with either, or recommend a different
  vendor/product). The goal is to provide our attorneys with 
  the ability to
  send and receive secure email with their clients with 1. no 
  user interaction
  or training 2. tracking capabilities 3. not email client 
  specific 4. must be
  scanned by our SMTP gateways prior to leaving and entering 
 our system
  
  TIA
  Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
  
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RE: Auto delete

2003-10-28 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Mailbox Manager Recipient Policy in Exchange 2000

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Steck, Herb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Auto delete

I am sure this has been asked before, but I can't find it in my archives
of the group.

The powers that be have decided to impliment an e-mail retension policy.
The policy states that all e-mail older then a certain amount of time
will be automatically deleted off the server.  This would include all
folders, sent mail, deleted, etc.

Is it possible to do this within Exchange 2000 Enterprise?  Or is an
additional piece of software required.

At least they also have in the policy that no pst's are allowed, thank
goodness.

Thanks all!

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread bscott
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, at 3:55pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you are missing the point of my statement

  I think you missed the point of *mine*.  :-)

  There is no silver bullet for security.  You cannot buy a product or
service and thereby achieve any level of security.  You cannot apply
diligence to just one small part of the puzzle and achieve any level of
security.

  You said you need to exchange email with clients.  I presume those clients
are independent operators, over which you have no control.  In that
situation, you cannot guarantee *ANY* level of security, because the
problems lie not with the technology, but how it is being used.

  If you really want secure email, I suspect you'll need to radically
change how you use email.  And I'm pretty sure that is not going to happen.  
Which means you're not going to have secure email.  Period.

  If the goal is to just spend some money and buy a product, they go ahead
and buy whatever looks good.  :-)

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RE: Secure E-Mail

2003-10-28 Thread Dean Cunningham
Ah right then,  Any of the vendors I mentioned should be able to give you that 
functionality. In the case of the NZ Govt the button was a bit of VBA that prepended 
the subject with a keyword and their target was between gateways in organisations. 
Typically you would set the gateway up not allow any message out unless it had a 
keyword like [SENSITIVE] or [NORMAL] or [commercial] and the gateway would run it 
through its rules. Those rules could also ensure that only the [EMAIL PROTECTED] could 
send email (signed or not) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

The test plan at 
http://www.e-government.govt.nz/docs/see-mail-tests-2-3/see-mail-tests-2-3.pdf

Whilst only for gateway-gateway secure mail sould give you an idea of the tests needed 
to cover your requirements

The thing I was interpreting in 3) was how the client got to read the message. You got 
3 choices as I see it

3a Client has a gateway that decrypts the message (based on public/private keys per 
gateway)
3b Install some software on clients mail client  (based on public/private keys per 
user - see Andrey's comments)
3c Use clientless (browser) option as described by Andrey

cheers
Dean

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my requirement for number 3) the attorneys need to be able to send
secure/encrypted email to a client using either his Outlook client on his
office laptop - his Outlook client on his home computer - or OWA (from any
machine).




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RE: RPC over HTTP - help needed

2003-10-28 Thread Troels Majlandt
I did see the webcast and checked my configuration 2 more times - and
still same result.
I asked a question and the answer was that i should check that basic auth.
was on - and it is - so I am still in the same boat, no luck to connect to
the exchange server - the username/password are stil rejected.
 
If there was a solution in the webcast I missed it :-)


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8859-1 caracter converter

2003-10-28 Thread Bourque Daniel

Anybody with a link to a site or program to do 8859-1 caracter convertion?
A lot of spam msg have the subject field in this format so you cannot just
filter on some common keyword...


-Message d'origine-
De : Bourque Daniel 
Envoyé : 24 octobre, 2003 21:37
À : 'Exchange Discussions'
Objet : 8859-1 caracter converter



I am trying to locate a web site to do online caracter translation to and
from iso-8859-1.  I need that to be able to block spam using keywords in the
e-mail subject using the 8859-1 format but display by Outlook as normal
caracter.

Exemple: Here the subjet field of a real message.

What you see:
Receive your Sild... Citr... order in 24 to 48 hours

What's really in the smtp header:

?iso-8859-1?B?UmVjZWl2ZSB5b3VyIFNpbGRlbmFmaWwgQ2l0cmF0ZSAgb3JkZXIgaW4gMjQgdG
8gNDggaG91cnM=?=

I would like to be able to feed words in the page or program and get the
caracter translation so I can adjust anti-spam filter.


Thank you.

 
Daniel Bourque
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RE: RPC over HTTP - help needed

2003-10-28 Thread Kevinm[MVP]
Are you using SSL?? With a store bought Cert. I got about the same from
the cast and went back to hunting on mine. Bought a cert and it seems to
be working now.. My home grown cert would not install on the client
side. 

You could try installing the cert with IE by connecting to https:// OWA
?? might help you. Have you watched it connect by holding down CTRL and
right clicking the outlook icon in the task bar by the time?? 

-- Rev. Kevinm WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troels
Majlandt
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP - help needed

I did see the webcast and checked my configuration 2 more times - and
still same result.
I asked a question and the answer was that i should check that basic
auth.
was on - and it is - so I am still in the same boat, no luck to connect
to
the exchange server - the username/password are stil rejected.
 
If there was a solution in the webcast I missed it :-)


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Appointment reminders in a public folder

2003-10-28 Thread Erick Thompson
I have a need to have a public folder with calendar items, and have email 
notifications sent for reminders. There are a number of Outlook addins listed on 
slipstick to do this, but there don't seem to be any server side solutions. 

It seems like doing it with the addins relies on Outlook too heavily, in that if you 
reinstall Outlook without the addin, things stop working. I like the idea of server 
side email generation system more, but I can't find any. Is using Outlook for this 
purpose fairly standard? 

Thanks,
Erick

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Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address

2003-10-28 Thread Uso
i disabled the update for all users.
regards
Uso

- Original Message -
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bulk set of primary smtp address


Users have a little checkbox that makes them listen to the recipient
policies. Turn it off - and the user will never be updated.

Or you could create a number of different recipient policies that would
only match certain users. Then only those users will be affected by the
specific recipient policies.

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
Messaging and Collaboration
Spherion


-Original Message-
From: Uso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address

OK, I got the recipient update service to run, but that didn't turn out
to
be a good idea at all.
Our email addresses are mostly custom addresses they don't have any
fixed
format.
I ended up with additonal SMTP addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The same are also set in the mail field (E-mail field on the General
Tab).

I scripted to add the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set
it as
the primary addresses. I scripted also to reset the mail field to to the
same (E-mail field on the General Tab) however the default policy keeps
setting it back.

What can I do so the default policy doesn't mess up my email names?

thanks
Uso

- Original Message -
From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Bulk set of primary smtp address


 It seems as if your Recipient Update Service isn't running.  Search
TechNet
 for that phrase and start checking out the potential causes.

 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
 Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
 Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uso
 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:15 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address

 I have set the desired smtp address as primary in my default policy.
And
 applied it (Recipient Update Service) but that hasn't changed anything
for
 me. I still have smtp address with the old name set as primary. What
am I
 doin wrong?

 I tried LDIFDE. My only problem is that I don't have to write a
multivalued
 field and the ProxyAddresses is multivalued.

 regards
 Uso
 - Original Message -
 From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address


 
  use the recipient policy in system manager ...
 
  Uso wrote:
   Exchange 2000.
   regards
   Uso
   - Original Message -
   From: Tony Hlabse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 6:30 PM
   Subject: Re: Bulk set of primary smtp address
  
  
  
  Which version of Exchange?
  
  
  From: Uso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Bulk set of primary smtp address
  Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:24:37 +0400
  
  Hi,
  we have been using two SMTP addresses for each user with two
  different domain names.
  I would like to set the primary address of all users to one of
these
  
   domain
  
  names.
  Is there an easy way to do that?
  
  regards
  Uso
  
  
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