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Could check out ... E-Policy : How to Develop Computer, E-Policy, and Internet Guidelines to Protect Your Company and Its Assets by Michael R. Overly http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814479960/qid=1011294873/sr=8-1/ ref=sr_8_3_1/103-8981035-4241454 Maybe he's got new material. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... I don't think there are many subscribers to this list who are licensed to practice law. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As was pointed out elsewhere you really need to check with an attorney in the applicable state (sounds like Maryland in this case). Generally speaking I believe the key phrase is expectation of privacy. Merely saying that the e-mail is for business use only is probably not going to be sufficient unless it also says that the company reserves the right to review it at any time. The company might argue it's our property; enforcement of policy, etc. but if the court decides that the employee had a reasonable expectation of privacy the company will probably lose. The company should clearly state in their employment manual that the e-mail may be subject to review AND have each employee initial that specific page (if not that passage) indicating that they have read and understand it. Ideally, anyhow. Since you were just curious for opinions and not actually planning to offer them legal advice... Speaking of which, here's the disclaimer: I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice; just my educated opinion. No attorney-client relationship has been established between anybody and Damon Key by means of this conversation; it's just a bunch of geeks (or nerds, if you prefer) trading opinions. I only work for attorneys, don't hold that against me. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The point Lori makes is important! First, you need to have a company policy, and make sure that it is well known. Also, you need to know what the privacy laws are in every jurisdiction that applies. Some of these may run counter to your policy, and it is the law that will take precedence, obviously. Most companies start with the premise that the data content of their IS infrastructure is something that they own and can control. Of course, this assertion implies liability for problems that might arise from that content, which they probably would not like to accept. You can't have it both ways. You may recall this case: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/zdnn/0507/zdnn0015.html Wang's mail was in an ISP's mail service paid for by Borland and use as though it was Borland's internal system, but was not under Borland's control, let alone ownership. So there was no way for Borland to demonstrate that their rights had been violated, since they didn't own the system involved. The question as to whether or not the result would have been different had the mail system in question been Borland's own internal system remains unanswered, at least in California, but one suspects that Borland might have prevailed in that case and that the charges might not have been dropped, but that is speculation, not fact. There is one other aspect to keep in mind, your behavior can modify your written policy. Let say that you have a policy that flat out states that the mail system is your company's property and that you have the right to audit its contents. Let's further assume that you have the local legal authority to do make it stick. Then you bring in a supplier to work on your premises and provide messaging services to them, and you treat their mail as confidential and you make sure everyone understands that they have confidentiality with respect to their mail. At least for non-employees, you just voided your policy, and you might have voided it for everyone, depending on how you presented the change. Make sure that as you develop your policies and you get legal advice on them that you tell you lawyers everything. If you get advice from a lawyer but did not let them know all of the circumstances, then their advice is not going to cover your behavior, is it? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... The law varies by location as does company policy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think there are many subscribers to this list who are licensed to practice law. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No. Check with your HR, ask them to check with the companies legal advice. Don't get involved in the decision. JDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James, I have made that recommendation, I am also curious to where the law lies on this one. Ken -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... No. Check with your HR, ask them to check with the companies legal advice. Don't get involved in the decision. JDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tell them you can show them how to access mailboxes if they want you to, but also tell them that there might be legal implications that they should check with their human resources people or the company lawyers. if you're not qualified to offer legal advice, then they should know that, and shouldn't expect you to. dan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2002 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Your HR or Legal department is the best place to go for that answer. If the answer comes back that it *is* legal, make sure you have a request, in writing, from the supervisor of the person you are giving access to before you actually do anything. Better yet, make it a request from HR. Darcy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... James, I have made that recommendation, I am also curious to where the law lies on this one. Ken -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... No. Check with your HR, ask them to check with the companies legal advice. Don't get involved in the decision. JDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It would also be a good idea to have the employee handbook updated with info stating that mailboxes may be accessed blah blah blahlegaleze -Original Message- From: Darcy Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... Your HR or Legal department is the best place to go for that answer. If the answer comes back that it *is* legal, make sure you have a request, in writing, from the supervisor of the person you are giving access to before you actually do anything. Better yet, make it a request from HR. Darcy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... James, I have made that recommendation, I am also curious to where the law lies on this one. Ken -Original Message- From: Ewins, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Legal Question... No. Check with your HR, ask them to check with the companies legal advice. Don't get involved in the decision. JDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The law varies by location as does company policy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) nor do I play one on TV. Have the customer put in writing that you, the consultant, are being tasked with this job and that the company assumes full responsibility for, well, everything. Reduce it down to where you are only performing a function and nothing more. It's a big help that they already have a policy in place stating that the e-mail is their property. Might be worth the office time to get a ten-minute discussion with your own attorney to be sure you (or your company) have reduced exposure. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Legal Question... All, I have pretty much been lurking on this list for awhile now. I really respect the Technical opinions that most have offered, Not to mention, the biting sarcasm keeps me in fits of laughter. That Said, I have a client that has asked me a question that I don't Have the legal expertise to answer, and was curious if 1. Any of you have dealt with a similar experience and 2. Could point me to a specific, reference in writing. I was recently approached by my client to get access to one of their employees email. I told them to hold off, I would have to check if I was legally able to do that for them. The equipment is owned by my client. There is Policy in the employee handbook states that Email is for business use only. My client has reason to believe an employee is sending corporate information, (vendor lists and pricing) Offsite to someone outside their company. My client and I both reside in the U.S., in the state of Maryland. Does anyone know what the legal ramifications of viewing/reviewing an employees email are? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
