RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Is it possible your 'hate' is really with people who are too stupid or lazy to properly manage their subscriptions to mailing lists? If you sent me a mail message directly and received an OOF reply, would you really hate being notified that I'll be out of the office this Wednesday? If so, try not to send me any email that day, because I'll be out and my OOF will be on. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 8/3/2002 12:14 AM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet They're bad, but not because of looping. I've really gotten to hate them. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Setup a OOO rule to can them as they come in ! Bounce an email to that person, like Can you stop OOOs and autoreplies from hitting the list ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 14:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Is it possible your 'hate' is really with people who are too stupid or lazy to properly manage their subscriptions to mailing lists? If you sent me a mail message directly and received an OOF reply, would you really hate being notified that I'll be out of the office this Wednesday? If so, try not to send me any email that day, because I'll be out and my OOF will be on. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 8/3/2002 12:14 AM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet They're bad, but not because of looping. I've really gotten to hate them. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I work for a 100,000-or-whatever-person company. When I post a new post to the internal special interest public folders I often get 20 to 50 out of office notifications, depending on the time spread between my posts. It has nothing to do with individual behavior, really, except that the feature is enabled and is working by design. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Is it possible your 'hate' is really with people who are too stupid or lazy to properly manage their subscriptions to mailing lists? If you sent me a mail message directly and received an OOF reply, would you really hate being notified that I'll be out of the office this Wednesday? If so, try not to send me any email that day, because I'll be out and my OOF will be on. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 8/3/2002 12:14 AM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet They're bad, but not because of looping. I've really gotten to hate them. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
But you were invited! And he didn't have a disclaimer telling you not to! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Turn it off. There's no way I'd set up a loop which could DoS a production machine, especially not one belonging to a bunch of lawyers. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Okay, I'll bite. Your test target mailbox is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the OOF is on. -Peter -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 14:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Exchange Out Of Office has never replied to every message, at least not since 4.0 Beta 2. Now, an OOO rule can, but they're covered by allow automatic replies rather than allow OOO. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Most importantly, here, is the fact that OOO can cause looping. Not necessarily by the OOO itself with the current version of Exchange, but most likely by some type of rule the User has set up. About 4 years ago, at a company in Richmond, VA, I was involved in a major OOO loop. Filled up the data drive and shutdown the services. This was when Exchange OOO every message, even if it had already sent an OOO to that User. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I think I described a scenario in which this could happen in another post in this thread. The threat risk is low, but not 0. One really could purposefully set up a mail loop with an OOO response if they had the notion. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 7/31/2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet ...but they're friendly lawyers, really. Seriously though, we do allow OOFs to the net, by friendly lawyer request, and if you really can get it to loop I'd very much like to know about it. -Peter _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Thanks for that. Mind posting the link? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Millar, Ken Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Interesting arcticle taken from a webpage on OOF Messages to the Internet: Equiinet.ComMission Mission History History Directors Directors Awards Awards Corporate Corporate Security Security SME SME Press Releases Press Releases Reviews Reviews White Papers White Papers Locations Locations Maps Maps Email Addresses Email Addresses EQUIINET CALLS FOR RETHINK ON E-MAIL SIGNATURES TO AVOID INTERNET CRIME RISK 24th June 2002 British companies were today warned by Equiinet to review their e-mail policies to avoid their employees being placed at risk from criminals using e-mail signature messages to obtain personal details. Automatic response messages are used to inform anyone e-mailing a specific e-mail address that the person they are trying to reach is unable to respond. But many people, particularly during the busy summer holiday season, create automatic messages that say they will not be back in the office until a certain date, allowing people to conclude they are probably away on holiday. The 'away from' e-mail messages are typically sent indiscriminately the first time an e-mail is received. Swindon-based Equiinet, the leading supplier of multi functional server appliances, decided not to introduce automated e-mail response as a product feature because of the danger of individual employees exposing themselves or their employer to risk when setting up the messages. Criminals have been known to exploit this system by purchasing spam e-mail lists with which to send a test message to millions of recipients. They then identify those people who are away and look up their probable - or in some cases exact - home addresses using a simple online directory such as those at www.192.com or www.btcom. The technique even allows wily burglars to guess the potential value of goods at an address according to a person's job title, which is often included in e-mail signatures in accordance with corporate policy. This is the on-line equivalent of not cancelling the milk, said Bob Jones, Equiinet's managing director. It's on a par with advertising in a newspaper that you are on holiday in the full knowledge that anyone can easily find out your address. Jones said companies should review their e-mail policies so that employees cannot specify that they are away, or use software that blocks such messages being sent to untrusted sources. This Internet loophole makes it possible for even unsophisticated criminals within 60 seconds to discover a home address of someone who is away on holiday, he added. With the main holiday season almost upon us, British companies must act now to clamp down on this out of responsibility to their staff. ABOUT EQUIINET Equiinet, based in Swindon, specialises in integrated solutions that provide cost-effective, easy, fast and secure access to the Internet. The NetPilot range of Internet server appliances provides all the hardware and software needed for extremely secure Internet connectivity and networking in a single multifunctional unit. VPN-specific products offer Virtual Private Networking capability. New to Equiinet's family of products is the TrafficPilot range, bringing clever and cost-effective overlay networking to life for larger organisations with customer-facing branches. Equiinet's managing director Bob Jones has previously founded and sold three successful networking start-ups: Steebek Systems, Mayze Systems and Sonix Communications, the last of which was acquired for $70 million in 1995. Editorial contact: Neil Madle, Marketing PR Manager, +44 1793 603759 Mobile: +44 7990 887628 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken -Original Message- From: Sandhya Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Thanks to everyone that responded to my
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
They're bad, but not because of looping. I've really gotten to hate them. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet It wasn't the gun that killed him. It was the bullets! I think the point is that if that under controlled environments, you can safely say that OOF alone won't be the first cause of a mail loop. As long as you are sure that no one has any other weird rules. However, since my servers are connected to the internet and have to interact with many strange and alien mail systems which aren't under my control and can't be counted on to do the right thing, it's enough for me to take the advice of most of the rest of the Exchange community and not allow OOF to the Internet. Jim H -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Yes, but that was the forwarding rule that looped, not the OOA. Even though it was probably set up in the same dialog box as the OOA, it's still two different mechanisms. -Peter -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and | do not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other | person, entity or | organization. All information is provided | without warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Most importantly, here, is the fact that OOO can cause looping. Not necessarily by the OOO itself with the current version of Exchange, but most likely by some type of rule the User has set up. About 4 years ago, at a company in Richmond, VA, I was involved in a major OOO loop. Filled up the data drive and shutdown the services. This was when Exchange OOO every message, even if it had already sent an OOO to that User. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I think I described a scenario in which this could happen in another post in this thread. The threat risk is low, but not 0. One really could purposefully set up a mail loop with an OOO response if they had the notion. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 7/31/2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet ...but they're friendly lawyers, really. Seriously though, we do allow OOFs to the net, by friendly lawyer request, and if you really can get it to loop I'd very much like to know about it. -Peter _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
There's a difference between OOF and autoreplies though. One call allow the former, while prohibiting the latter. -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Most importantly, here, is the fact that OOO can cause looping. Not necessarily by the OOO itself with the current version of Exchange, but most likely by some type of rule the User has set up. About 4 years ago, at a company in Richmond, VA, I was involved in a major OOO loop. Filled up the data drive and shutdown the services. This was when Exchange OOO every message, even if it had already sent an OOO to that User. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I think I described a scenario in which this could happen in another post in this thread. The threat risk is low, but not 0. One really could purposefully set up a mail loop with an OOO response if they had the notion. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 7/31/2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet ...but they're friendly lawyers, really. Seriously though, we do allow OOFs to the net, by friendly lawyer request, and if you really can get it to loop I'd very much like to know about it. -Peter _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Thanks to everyone that responded to my message. I'll try my best to not turn it on. Sandhya _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I think there was a bug in the OOF that was fixed in one of the SPs. Missy, IIRC, might remember more about it. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
But again, the situation you speak of is not, in fact, the Out of Office Assistant Rule within Outlook. Instead, it is a rule that has been set up by the user that is masquerading as OOA. And if you have Automatic Replies to the Internet turned off, I don't believe that this particular type rule can fire. Correct me if I am wrong here. But pointing to OOA as the cause of a mail loop such as that is not correct, as it was not OOA that caused the loop. It was a separate rule, and having Automatic replies to the internet enabled as well. Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Most importantly, here, is the fact that OOO can cause looping. Not necessarily by the OOO itself with the current version of Exchange, but most likely by some type of rule the User has set up. About 4 years ago, at a company in Richmond, VA, I was involved in a major OOO loop. Filled up the data drive and shutdown the services. This was when Exchange OOO every message, even if it had already sent an OOO to that User. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I think I described a scenario in which this could happen in another post in this thread. The threat risk is low, but not 0. One really could purposefully set up a mail loop with an OOO response if they had the notion. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 7/31/2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet ...but they're friendly lawyers, really. Seriously though, we do allow OOFs to the net, by friendly lawyer request, and if you really can get it to loop I'd very much like to know about it. -Peter _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Thanks Chris for providing the info on how it could be done. Hadn't gotten to that message yet when I sent the previous one. However, I would still like to know if anyone has ever actually experienced a mail loop caused by OOF. I know there are many that have experience loops caused by automatic replies to the internet, and separate rules, but I have yet to hear anyone that can actually point singularly to the Out of Office Assistant. Anyone? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
The answer is yes. However it's relatively rare, making the risk extremely low. Anytime a message is sent automatically in response to a received message and the reply sent contains a valid from address, there is a risk of a mail loop. That's why system messages use a null sender. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Thanks Chris for providing the info on how it could be done. Hadn't gotten to that message yet when I sent the previous one. However, I would still like to know if anyone has ever actually experienced a mail loop caused by OOF. I know there are many that have experience loops caused by automatic replies to the internet, and separate rules, but I have yet to hear anyone that can actually point singularly to the Out of Office Assistant. Anyone? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
OOF did not always fire once for each User's message. In 4.0 and 5.0 it fired for every message that the User sent, and if the User sent 10 messages to the mailbox, OOF would reply to each one. So, John Smith sends a message to his brother Jon Smith. Jon Smith's OOF fires off an OOF going back to John Smith. However, John Smith's mail server went down. So the OOF hits the downed mail server and kicks it back to Jon Smith's mailbox, which fires off another OOF. And there you have the ping-pong effect that can occur. I might not have described it entirely correct, but that was the scenario. Just because YOU have not seen it happen, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. OOF on 5.5 and 2000 only fires once per User. 4.0 and 5.0 fired for every single message sent to the same User. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Yes, but that was the forwarding rule that looped, not the OOA. Even though it was probably set up in the same dialog box as the OOA, it's still two different mechanisms. -Peter -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Your point is valid, but like most pieces of useful information will be promptly lost to the archives. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I concede that loops could have and were caused by OOF pre 5.5. A la Chris, I will also concede that even in 5.5, they could (very low risk) create a loop. Aside from Chris, I still don't think anyone else has ever seen OOF cause a loop in 5.5 or 2K (though I know it is possible). My point (take it with a grain of salt) was simply that many times OOF is blamed for a loop, when it is in fact Automatic replies to the internet combined with another rule that was created. I'm not advocating the use of OOF. I still think there are better ways of handling that. And now I will stop posting on this subject. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Archives? Bob Sadler City of Leawood, KS, USA Internet/WAN Specialist 913-339-6700 x194 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Your point is valid, but like most pieces of useful information will be promptly lost to the archives. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I concede that loops could have and were caused by OOF pre 5.5. A la Chris, I will also concede that even in 5.5, they could (very low risk) create a loop. Aside from Chris, I still don't think anyone else has ever seen OOF cause a loop in 5.5 or 2K (though I know it is possible). My point (take it with a grain of salt) was simply that many times OOF is blamed for a loop, when it is in fact Automatic replies to the internet combined with another rule that was created. I'm not advocating the use of OOF. I still think there are better ways of handling that. And now I will stop posting on this subject. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
It wasn't the gun that killed him. It was the bullets! I think the point is that if that under controlled environments, you can safely say that OOF alone won't be the first cause of a mail loop. As long as you are sure that no one has any other weird rules. However, since my servers are connected to the internet and have to interact with many strange and alien mail systems which aren't under my control and can't be counted on to do the right thing, it's enough for me to take the advice of most of the rest of the Exchange community and not allow OOF to the Internet. Jim H -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Yes, but that was the forwarding rule that looped, not the OOA. Even though it was probably set up in the same dialog box as the OOA, it's still two different mechanisms. -Peter -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet It wasn't the gun that killed him. It was the bullets! I think the point is that if that under controlled environments, you can safely say that OOF alone won't be the first cause of a mail loop. As long as you are sure that no one has any other weird rules. However, since my servers are connected to the internet and have to interact with many strange and alien mail systems which aren't under my control and can't be counted on to do the right thing, it's enough for me to take the advice of most of the rest of the Exchange community and not allow OOF to the Internet. Jim H -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Yes, but that was the forwarding rule that looped, not the OOA. Even though it was probably set up in the same dialog box as the OOA, it's still two different mechanisms. -Peter -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I agree wholeheartedly, Chris Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I for one think that if most of the Exchange community thinks OOF to the internet is a prima facie bad or risky thing, they're wrong. -Original Message- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet It wasn't the gun that killed him. It was the bullets! I think the point is that if that under controlled environments, you can safely say that OOF alone won't be the first cause of a mail loop. As long as you are sure that no one has any other weird rules. However, since my servers are connected to the internet and have to interact with many strange and alien mail systems which aren't under my control and can't be counted on to do the right thing, it's enough for me to take the advice of most of the rest of the Exchange community and not allow OOF to the Internet. Jim H -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Yes, but that was the forwarding rule that looped, not the OOA. Even though it was probably set up in the same dialog box as the OOA, it's still two different mechanisms. -Peter -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I have, in fact, seen this very thing just recently. The situation was this: an executive had setup an OOF message with a rule that forwarded all of their email to their home email address. Well, sure enough their home email reached it's limit and started to play ping pong with their office email. By the time we caught it (this was on a weekend) their office email had over 20,000 postmaster and Message Delivery failure messages in it. I immediately killed the forwarding rule and notified the Help Desk in case the executive called in. While this may not be exactly what you enviioned it is nonetheless an example of what can happen iun such circumstances. Cheers. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -- From: Ben Winzenz Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2002 09:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Prove it. Since OOF fires only once per sender, how does it cause or be a part of a loop? I'm just curious. If it does in fact cause a loop, I would like to know how it does. Not trying to be sarcastic here, or anything else, but can you describe the situation where you saw this happen? Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and | do not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other | person, entity or | organization. All information is provided | without warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Interesting arcticle taken from a webpage on OOF Messages to the Internet: Equiinet.ComMission Mission History History Directors Directors Awards Awards Corporate Corporate Security Security SME SME Press Releases Press Releases Reviews Reviews White Papers White Papers Locations Locations Maps Maps Email Addresses Email Addresses EQUIINET CALLS FOR RETHINK ON E-MAIL SIGNATURES TO AVOID INTERNET CRIME RISK 24th June 2002 British companies were today warned by Equiinet to review their e-mail policies to avoid their employees being placed at risk from criminals using e-mail signature messages to obtain personal details. Automatic response messages are used to inform anyone e-mailing a specific e-mail address that the person they are trying to reach is unable to respond. But many people, particularly during the busy summer holiday season, create automatic messages that say they will not be back in the office until a certain date, allowing people to conclude they are probably away on holiday. The 'away from' e-mail messages are typically sent indiscriminately the first time an e-mail is received. Swindon-based Equiinet, the leading supplier of multi functional server appliances, decided not to introduce automated e-mail response as a product feature because of the danger of individual employees exposing themselves or their employer to risk when setting up the messages. Criminals have been known to exploit this system by purchasing spam e-mail lists with which to send a test message to millions of recipients. They then identify those people who are away and look up their probable - or in some cases exact - home addresses using a simple online directory such as those at www.192.com or www.btcom. The technique even allows wily burglars to guess the potential value of goods at an address according to a person's job title, which is often included in e-mail signatures in accordance with corporate policy. This is the on-line equivalent of not cancelling the milk, said Bob Jones, Equiinet's managing director. It's on a par with advertising in a newspaper that you are on holiday in the full knowledge that anyone can easily find out your address. Jones said companies should review their e-mail policies so that employees cannot specify that they are away, or use software that blocks such messages being sent to untrusted sources. This Internet loophole makes it possible for even unsophisticated criminals within 60 seconds to discover a home address of someone who is away on holiday, he added. With the main holiday season almost upon us, British companies must act now to clamp down on this out of responsibility to their staff. ABOUT EQUIINET Equiinet, based in Swindon, specialises in integrated solutions that provide cost-effective, easy, fast and secure access to the Internet. The NetPilot range of Internet server appliances provides all the hardware and software needed for extremely secure Internet connectivity and networking in a single multifunctional unit. VPN-specific products offer Virtual Private Networking capability. New to Equiinet's family of products is the TrafficPilot range, bringing clever and cost-effective overlay networking to life for larger organisations with customer-facing branches. Equiinet's managing director Bob Jones has previously founded and sold three successful networking start-ups: Steebek Systems, Mayze Systems and Sonix Communications, the last of which was acquired for $70 million in 1995. Editorial contact: Neil Madle, Marketing PR Manager, +44 1793 603759 Mobile: +44 7990 887628 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken -Original Message- From: Sandhya Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Thanks to everyone that responded to my message. I'll try my best to not turn it on. Sandhya _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
OOF is lame. Hi, Im not here this week, so everything you send me is being completely ignored. I know you are an important client, but sorry, Im on vacation. It would be wiser to have users forwarding their mail to another admin who can take care of requests. -Original Message- From: Sandhya Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OOF Messages to the Internet Hello everyone, Currently I have Automatic Replies to Internet disabled in our server. My administrators want me to turn it on so that outside people that they correspond with get their OOF messages. I know it's not a good idea to do this because of mail looping and automatic replies to listservers. Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? Thanks. Sandhya _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OOF Messages to the Internet
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. BTW - relating to the original question, it is VERY possible to turn on or allow Out of Office replies to the internet while still disasbling Automatic replies to the internet. They are 2 very different things. If you look at the properties of your Internet Mail Service connector, under the Advanced options, you will see the different options. This response doesn't mean that I necessarily support or advocate the use of Out of Office, but for those companies that do, this is a viable option. Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
rant It does, however, annoy the CRAP out of people like me that there are stupid lazy admins that can't subscribe a Public Folder to this list so that when people post messages, they don't get multiple Out of Office replies in response. /rant Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Lazy and stupid here! But I don't allow OOF either! -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet rant It does, however, annoy the CRAP out of people like me that there are stupid lazy admins that can't subscribe a Public Folder to this list so that when people post messages, they don't get multiple Out of Office replies in response. /rant Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Well, then that proves at least that you aren't stupid! g As for the lazy part, I shall refrain from commenting vbg Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Lazy and stupid here! But I don't allow OOF either! -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet rant It does, however, annoy the CRAP out of people like me that there are stupid lazy admins that can't subscribe a Public Folder to this list so that when people post messages, they don't get multiple Out of Office replies in response. /rant Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
hardly a rant. more like an excellent suggestion. Tim (corresponding thru a PF subscribed to this list) -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet rant It does, however, annoy the CRAP out of people like me that there are stupid lazy admins that can't subscribe a Public Folder to this list so that when people post messages, they don't get multiple Out of Office replies in response. /rant Ben Winzenz Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I have had lot of issues with users whining about their clients not getting their OOF messages. Even though it was fully functional. Users need to be aware of the following conditions when using Microsoft Outlook Out of Office Assistant 1. 1. An Out of Office message or OOF is sent *only once* to any single address - internal or external. 2. Any rules applied in addition to the OOF may hinder or overrule its functionality. 3. Out of Office Assistant may not work if multiple delivery options or auto forward is enabled. 4. Receiving an OOF message on a foreign e-mail system is entirely dependent on their respective ISPs. It is not uncommon to experience delays ranging from a few minutes to several hours. Very often users expect OOF message to reach an alien recepient's inbox right away or within a few minutes. hope this helps Johnny -Original Message- From: Sandhya Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OOF Messages to the Internet Hello everyone, Currently I have Automatic Replies to Internet disabled in our server. My administrators want me to turn it on so that outside people that they correspond with get their OOF messages. I know it's not a good idea to do this because of mail looping and automatic replies to listservers. Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? Thanks. Sandhya _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
OOF can, in fact, cause a ping-pong effect out to the Internet. Been there, seen it, turned it off. Yes, there could have been a rule that affected it also, but it still is a no-no at my Company. Geoff... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ben Winzenz wrote: Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. Er, oh yeah. *sheepish grin* I tend to lump them together in my head... Sorry 'bout that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I trust your judgment, but would you remind me how that occurs -- if OOF only fires once per correspondent? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
CRM application replies to every incoming message sent to *@cs.company.com with a unique from address (CS-ID[variable]@cs.compny.com). Risk: Extremely low. I personally don't have an issue with OOO to the internet beyond the maroons on mailing lists who can't be bothered to manage their subscriptions properly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet I trust your judgment, but would you remind me how that occurs -- if OOF only fires once per correspondent? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Okay, I'll bite. Your test target mailbox is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the OOF is on. -Peter -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 14:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Turn it off. There's no way I'd set up a loop which could DoS a production machine, especially not one belonging to a bunch of lawyers. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Okay, I'll bite. Your test target mailbox is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the OOF is on. -Peter -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 14:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
Last week, someone here *really* wanted this, so I pulled out my nifty Exchange Mailing List CD, set the WayBack Machine for Feb 4, 2002 and found this thread- RE: Help with OOA I used bits of that thread to start a pretty sweet discussion ;) USer- I want Automatic Replies and OOF Me- No, and here's why: [1] I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please put me on your A list for resale to other spammers. [2] I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help yourself. [3] Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however, all on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. [4] Why do you insist on letting thousands of listserv members everywhere know you aren't at work? The vast majority (all of us, really) couldn't care less. [5] Mail loop- your server runs out of space and shuts down. Given all that, is this a viable alternative- Use a rule to forward relevant messages to a replacement or other delegate who can then manually reply to select messages using a template? User- We have a business to run and would like to use this software feature to help us, not continually get in the way. I appreciate your opinions but they are just that, your opinions. What happened to trying to help our business units get their jobs done? I want to know what we can do to help. If you can't help me then just say so. I'll gladly take it to the next level. Me- I am not trying to get in the way of your, or anyone else's business needs. I simply presented to you the reasons why we (and may I add most of the email community) are set up this way. If you can't help me just say so. I won't take the above personally; this decision was not made by me alone. Please feel free to take up this matter with whomever you would like. Oh, It got taken up all right... After the dust cleared, we aren't friggin' doing Automatic Replies and OOF (*especially* Automatic Replies*)! Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OOF Messages to the Internet On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, at 3:09pm, Sandhya Pai wrote: Could someone give me specific examples or pointers on how can I justify not doing it or your opinions on why it's safe or not? One of our customers insisted we turn it on. We did so. Then @Home went out of business, but someone with OOO turned on still managed to get a message from someone @home.net. OOO sent to @home.net, but got a bounce message back. That bounce message trigger the OOO again. The system looped like that until over 50,000 messages had been processed and 2+ GB of disk space had been consumed by transaction log files, at which point the IS crashed. It took several hours to clean up the mess. OOO is turned off, now. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
OOF by itself, plain vanilla, does only fire once per sender and I've never seen it cause a loop. If the person setup the oof to forward messages to another address, that can most definitely cause a loop, as I just cleaned one up today. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Turn it off. There's no way I'd set up a loop which could DoS a production machine, especially not one belonging to a bunch of lawyers. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Okay, I'll bite. Your test target mailbox is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the OOF is on. -Peter -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 14:46 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Enable OOF on a mailbox and let me know when you'd like me to start the mail loop. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet Sorry, but that is NOT Out of Office. That is a rule that was set up. Out of Office fires only ONCE per sender. Period. Allowing autoforwarding to the internet will cause mail loops, but not Out of office to the internet. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OOF Messages to the Internet
I think I described a scenario in which this could happen in another post in this thread. The threat risk is low, but not 0. One really could purposefully set up a mail loop with an OOO response if they had the notion. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 7/31/2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: OOF Messages to the Internet ...but they're friendly lawyers, really. Seriously though, we do allow OOFs to the net, by friendly lawyer request, and if you really can get it to loop I'd very much like to know about it. -Peter _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
