RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-18 Thread Presley, Steve
My take on this is that it sounds like the minimum requirement is end to end secure 
connection over the Internet (as Andrey pointed out)...which does sound like a TLS 
candidate.  The problem with using PGP or the like is that you then rely on the 
customer (client) to encrypt the email.  If the requirement is that all transactions 
are encrypted then at least TLS enforces a secure transmission between two gateways.  
But I would also implement actual message encryption as well (again..PGP or the like). 
 So in the best case, you have an encrypted message traveling over a secure channel 
(public channel that is...this doesn't address what happens to the message while it is 
on its way to gatewayA and what happens to the message once it leaves gatewayB).  The 
worst case is that a client forgets to encrypt the email, but it is still transmitted 
over a secure channel (thus still meeting the requirement to transmit it securely over 
the Internet).

Best regards,

Steve

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Ok I suggested it.

Because from what I read, they want to always send mail to the same destination in a 
secure way (We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students)

In order to use PKI encryption, they would have to ask the recipient to obtain a 
certificate first, then get the recipient's public key from a digitally signed 
message, then always remember to encrypt individual messages.

With TLS, you set it up once and then start sending e-mail - the server does the job 
of encrypting the transmission every time.


If I had to send encrypted mail to many different destinations, I would sure go with 
PKI or maybe PGP. But when you are targeting the same place all the time, why not TLS?


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Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

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If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
TLS works like SSL, only for SMTP

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Bridges, Samantha
what is TLS?  Sorry if this is a stupid question.

:)

Sam

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TLS works like SSL, only for SMTP

Sincerely,

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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Henderson Richard
Have a look at MS Q319267

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what is TLS?  Sorry if this is a stupid question.

:)

Sam

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TLS works like SSL, only for SMTP

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
Systems Engineer
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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Johansson Patrick

Another possibility is using pgp or certificates to encrypt the e-mail you
send.

-Patrick

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Have a look at MS Q319267

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what is TLS?  Sorry if this is a stupid question.

:)

Sam

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TLS works like SSL, only for SMTP

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Transport Level Security or Transport Layer Security (sorry I am too
lazy to look up the exact definition)

You can setup the SMTP Virtual server to use TLS. And the receiving SMTP
server should be also set up to use TLS. You assign a digital
certificate to both of them, just like when you set up SSL.

Sincerely,

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what is TLS?  Sorry if this is a stupid question.

:)

Sam

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TLS works like SSL, only for SMTP

Sincerely,

Andrey Fyodorov
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I work for a school district in Michigan.  We want to send reports to
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State that contain information about our students.  The information
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email over the Internet.

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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Dickenson, Steven
If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

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I work for a school district in Michigan.  We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students.  The information
contained in the email attachments must remain confidential and private.
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email over the Internet.

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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Johansson Patrick

Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

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Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Chinnery, Paul
Or, if it's always sent as an attachment, PKzip v6.0 is pretty good and a lot easier 
than setting up email encryption.  Of course, there is the hassle of zipping the file, 
exchanging the password with the recipient and knowing that only the attachment is 
encrypted.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


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Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

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From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 19:04
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Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
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email over the Internet.

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SSL only provides secure logonsright???

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Dickenson, Steven
I didn't suggest it, I said it was an option.  I suggested using GPG to
encrypt it.

It is a good point, though.  TLS is a PITA to setup, and doesn't actually
secure the e-mail once it arrives.  GPG is much easier to use, and more
secure, in that the message can only be seen by the intended recipient
(provided your secret key is safe).

Steven
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-Original Message-
From: Johansson Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet



Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 19:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
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From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet


Exchange 5.5 sp4
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Hello All.

I work for a school district in Michigan.  We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students.  The information
contained in the email attachments must remain confidential and private.
Therefore, I need to provide a secure way of sending reports/attachments via
email over the Internet.

Any ideas or comments would be greatly appreciated.  

SSL only provides secure logonsright???

Thanks for any help.

Samantha

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Johansson Patrick

Yeps, you are right, you did suggest gnp, I just read the thread and thought
WHAT, WHY?!? and responded to the last message, it wasn't meant to be a
response to your message but to the thread. :)
There are numerous ways to do this but TLS would not be my first choice.

-Patrick

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From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 22:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

I didn't suggest it, I said it was an option.  I suggested using GPG to
encrypt it.

It is a good point, though.  TLS is a PITA to setup, and doesn't actually
secure the e-mail once it arrives.  GPG is much easier to use, and more
secure, in that the message can only be seen by the intended recipient
(provided your secret key is safe).

Steven
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The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

-Original Message-
From: Johansson Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet



Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 19:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
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The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

-Original Message-
From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet


Exchange 5.5 sp4
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Outlook 2000 and XP clients


Hello All.

I work for a school district in Michigan.  We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students.  The information
contained in the email attachments must remain confidential and private.
Therefore, I need to provide a secure way of sending reports/attachments via
email over the Internet.

Any ideas or comments would be greatly appreciated.  

SSL only provides secure logonsright???

Thanks for any help.

Samantha

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RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

2003-07-17 Thread Fyodorov, Andrey
Ok I suggested it.

Because from what I read, they want to always send mail to the same destination in a 
secure way (We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students)

In order to use PKI encryption, they would have to ask the recipient to obtain a 
certificate first, then get the recipient's public key from a digitally signed 
message, then always remember to encrypt individual messages.

With TLS, you set it up once and then start sending e-mail - the server does the job 
of encrypting the transmission every time.


If I had to send encrypted mail to many different destinations, I would sure go with 
PKI or maybe PGP. But when you are targeting the same place all the time, why not TLS?


-Original Message-
From: Johansson Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet


Ok, maybe I've had a few too many beers but why in the world is everybody
suggesting TLS. It's a bother to set up and you have to do it with every
mail server you want to have secure communications with. Great, the
communications are secure but how about the actual e-mail? Correct me if I'm
wrong but the easiest way in this instance would be to just encrypt the
e-mail. Windows does provide CA and you can always get another certificate
from a known source. Another way to go is to use pgp or some offshoot of
that. I don't know but sometimes we (designers/administrators) get a little
over excited using technology we don't really have to use.
Well, just my 5 cents.

-Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 17. heinäkuuta 2003 19:04
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet

If the sending and receiving mail servers, as well as any in-between support
it, TLS is an option.

Personally, I'd encrypt the e-mails using GnuPG.  www.gnupg.org

Steven
---
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Network Administrator
The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

-Original Message-
From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sending Secure Mail over the Internet


Exchange 5.5 sp4
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Outlook 2000 and XP clients


Hello All.

I work for a school district in Michigan.  We want to send reports to the
State that contain information about our students.  The information
contained in the email attachments must remain confidential and private.
Therefore, I need to provide a secure way of sending reports/attachments via
email over the Internet.

Any ideas or comments would be greatly appreciated.  

SSL only provides secure logonsright???

Thanks for any help.

Samantha

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