RE: Sent Item

2002-11-14 Thread Roger Seielstad
Actually, we're not to mention Peregrine. ;)

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Not to mention Peregrine!
> 
> Edgar J. Crowley Jr.
> Technical Consultant
> Windows & Messaging Platforms Practice
> hp Services
> *510-612-3365
> *[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:12 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr 
> or something
> like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
> 
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" 
> document isn't
> worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge 
> the costs
> of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> 1.  restore from backup
> 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the 
> email to send
> it back to him/her.
> 
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
> retention was not set. What other options do I have to 
> restore the send
> item? Thank Everyone
> 
> Tony
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
> folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did 
> he implement
> the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Sent Item
> 
> 
> I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
> items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
> 
> Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> System Administrator/DBA
> Senior Aerospace Jet Products
> (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
> www.jetproducts.com
> 
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Ed Crowley
Not to mention Peregrine!

Edgar J. Crowley Jr.
Technical Consultant
Windows & Messaging Platforms Practice
hp Services
*510-612-3365
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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Re: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Allison M. Wittstock
No.  But we are only 23 people here.  13 of us are IT/developers.

AW

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:54, you wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com]
> > Sent: 13 November 2002 14:45
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
> > its part of the job
> > description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.
>
> Your company doesn't have the practice of cross charging internal
> departments for work that's outside the normal scope of the job?
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Wait a year or two until a few new systems are in place and that might
change.

Then again, there's not enough deliniation between departmental budgets
here, or in many other companies, in which chargebacks are a good thing.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Unfortunately . . . 
> 
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Seielstad 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
> because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
> spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.
> 
> If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd 
> never get anything
> done.
> 
> Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this 
> point, though.
> 
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Sent Item
> > 
> > 
> > Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
> > its part of the job 
> > description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
> > Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
> > charge them 50 Euro 
> > to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
> > company and the 
> > customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
> > I'm really 
> > curious how you get away with that. 
> > 
> > Allison W.
> > 
> > On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> > > The customer shouldn't be punished for something that
> > should take 2 hours,
> > > but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that
> > states 24 hours
> > > to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from
> > offsite. $50.00 or
> > > $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one
> > wants to go to
> > > their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a
> > picture of their
> > > sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's
> > important, really
> > > important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
> > >
> > > It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> > >
> > >
> > > Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr
> > or something
> > > like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
> > >
> > > James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> > > Associate Systems Administrator
> > > InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> > >
> > >
> > > Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important"
> > document isn't
> > > worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to
> > charge the costs of
> > > the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
> > >
> > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > > Tech Consultant
> > > hp Services
> > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PR

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
Unfortunately . . . 

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.

If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd never get anything
done.

Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this point, though.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that
> its part of the job 
> description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
> Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
> charge them 50 Euro 
> to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
> company and the 
> customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
> I'm really 
> curious how you get away with that. 
> 
> Allison W.
> 
> On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> > The customer shouldn't be punished for something that
> should take 2 hours,
> > but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that
> states 24 hours
> > to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from
> offsite. $50.00 or
> > $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one
> wants to go to
> > their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a
> picture of their
> > sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's
> important, really
> > important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
> >
> > It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr
> or something
> > like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
> >
> > James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> > Associate Systems Administrator
> > InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important"
> document isn't
> > worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to
> charge the costs of
> > the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
> >
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> James Winzenz
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > 1.  restore from backup
> > 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the
> email to send it
> > back to him/her.
> >
> > James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> > Associate Systems Administrator
> > InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and
> the retention
> > was not set. What other options do I have to restore the
> send item? Thank
> > Everyone
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> 

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Darcy Adams
Yup!  I've got high standards.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Darcy, you sure expect a lot.  It isn't fair to expect me to actually
comprehend everything I read herein!

Disregard my suggestion until the user does a shift-Delete from the Sent
Items folder.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder.  No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he
implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Backups are done primarily for business continuance. They are not done
because someone's too stupid to think twice before deleting a 50mb
spreadsheet without making sure that its not needed anymore.

If our job was to pick up after morons all day long, we'd never get anything
done.

Although, our company doesn't do chargebacks for IT at this point, though.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that 
> its part of the job 
> description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
> Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to 
> charge them 50 Euro 
> to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting 
> company and the 
> customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, 
> I'm really 
> curious how you get away with that. 
> 
> Allison W.
> 
> On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> > The customer shouldn't be punished for something that 
> should take 2 hours,
> > but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that 
> states 24 hours
> > to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from 
> offsite. $50.00 or
> > $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one 
> wants to go to
> > their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a 
> picture of their
> > sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's 
> important, really
> > important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
> >
> > It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr 
> or something
> > like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
> >
> > James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> > Associate Systems Administrator
> > InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" 
> document isn't
> > worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to 
> charge the costs of
> > the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
> >
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> James Winzenz
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > 1.  restore from backup
> > 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the 
> email to send it
> > back to him/her.
> >
> > James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> > Associate Systems Administrator
> > InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and 
> the retention
> > was not set. What other options do I have to restore the 
> send item? Thank
> > Everyone
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Sent Item
> >
> >
> > Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the 
> Deleted Items folder.
> > No need for dumpsteralwayson.  

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Schwartz, Jim
I don't do much admin work any more. (quack) Deleted Items Retention solves
99.9% of the issues with someone deleting something unintentionally. Most of
the time the user hits delete and immediately has knows that they needed
that message. Our helpdesk (least cost) can walk them through how to restore
the item themselves. A simple published document stating that mail is
restorable for free up to x (whatever DIR is set to) and will cost x after
that. Any item older than whatever your tape rotation is set to is not
available for restore. The chargeback to the users is to cover the costs of
the administrators time. Nobody really seems to mind this, as long as it
spelled out in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Sent Item


Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the
job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50
Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 hours,
> but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that states 24 hours
> to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from offsite. $50.00 or
> $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one wants to go to
> their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a picture of
their
> sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's important, really
> important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
>
> It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
> like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
> worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
> the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 1.  restore from backup
> 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
> back to him/her.
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
> was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
> Everyone
>
> Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder.
> No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
> Crowley Never Restore Method?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
I think the whole point is to keep from having to do unnecessary restores.
Would you want to restore, say, an email that contained a joke?  It's a way
of getting a user to examine their priorities - how important is the email.
Is it important company data that needs to be recovered, or is it just
convenience.  I certainly wouldn't be willing to restore an exchange backup
unless the customer/user can justify the worth of the email as being
critical or necessary business data.  I'm not saying that we would charge
our users' cost centers for restores (we don't) - but then again, we also
have deleted items retention set at 30 days so that we don't have to worry
about this kind of thing.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Sent Item


Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the
job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50
Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 
> hours, but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that 
> states 24 hours to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from 
> offsite. $50.00 or $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. 
> No one wants to go to their boss and get the sign off on the charge to 
> restore a picture of their sisters baby or that funny joke a friend 
> sent. If it's important, really important, you could charge $1000.00 
> and they'd still pay.
>
> It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or 
> something like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document 
> isn't worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the 
> costs of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 1.  restore from backup
> 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to 
> send it back to him/her.
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the 
> retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the 
> send item? Thank Everyone
>
> Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items 
> folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he 
> implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".
>
&

RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Tim Ault
If..
1) the "deleted item retention time" is set to some number of days, and
2) you are still within that number of days
then,

1) close Outlook
2) open the affected user's registry
3) drill to  HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Exchange\Client\Options
4) add the DWORD: DumpsterAlwaysOn with a value of 1
5) open Outlook, click the sent items folder
6) Tools> Deleted Items Recovery

Good luck.


Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Robert Moir
> -Original Message-
> From: Allison M. Wittstock [mailto:aw@;inubit.com] 
> Sent: 13 November 2002 14:45
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that 
> its part of the job 
> description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something. 

Your company doesn't have the practice of cross charging internal
departments for work that's outside the normal scope of the job?

Robert Moir MSMVP
IT Systems Engineer
Luton Sixth Form College
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Re: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Allison M. Wittstock
Are you guys the in-house mail admins?  I would think that its part of the job 
description, to backup the data and be able to retrieve something.  
Or at least, that is what my users would say if I tried to charge them 50 Euro 
to retrive some data.  I can understand if you are hosting company and the 
customers are paying for mailboxes and support, but if not, I'm really 
curious how you get away with that. 

Allison W.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 15:18, you wrote:
> The customer shouldn't be punished for something that should take 2 hours,
> but instead takes 4. A flat fee works best with a SLA that states 24 hours
> to restore it. Longer if you have to get tapes from offsite. $50.00 or
> $100.00 it doesn't matter really what you charge. No one wants to go to
> their boss and get the sign off on the charge to restore a picture of their
> sisters baby or that funny joke a friend sent. If it's important, really
> important, you could charge $1000.00 and they'd still pay.
>
> It just gets rid of the riff-raff.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winzenz@;inovis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
> like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
> worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
> the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> 1.  restore from backup
> 2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
> back to him/her.
>
> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
> Associate Systems Administrator
> InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
> was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
> Everyone
>
> Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
> No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
> Crowley Never Restore Method?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
>
>
> Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Sent Item
>
>
> I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
> Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
>
> Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> System Administrator/DBA
> Senior Aerospace Jet Products
> (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
> www.jetproducts.com
>
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread James Winzenz
Woohooo!  But why only $50?  Seems like it should be $50/hr or something
like that . . . With a minimum charge, of course!

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs of
the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System Administrator/DBA
Senior Aerospace Jet Products
(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
www.jetproducts.com


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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Andy David
And that works for all kinds of restores!


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:JSchwartz@;BBandT.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

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I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-13 Thread Schwartz, Jim
Amen! You'd be surprised how many times that "important" document isn't
worth the $50.00 charge to their cost center.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:17 PM
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3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
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Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Ed Crowley
3. Ask the user for his cost center number to which to charge the costs
of the restore.  That'll usually scare 'em off!

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of James Winzenz
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send
it back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the
retention was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send
item? Thank Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder. No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement
the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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(858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Ed Crowley
Darcy, you sure expect a lot.  It isn't fair to expect me to actually
comprehend everything I read herein!

Disregard my suggestion until the user does a shift-Delete from the Sent
Items folder.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
folder.  No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he
implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Darcy Adams
Read the Disaster Recovery white-paper.  Follow the instructions there to Restore from 
backup, and run the log files. 

Or - as has been suggested once before - contact the person the message was sent to 
and ask them to send it back.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
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Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread James Winzenz
1.  restore from backup
2.  have the user request that the person he/she sent the email to send it
back to him/her.

James Winzenz, MCSE, A+
Associate Systems Administrator
InovisTM, formerly Harbinger and Extricity


-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
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Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Chris Scharff
Restore from backup. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:44 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> 
> I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
> was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
> Everyone
> 
> Tony
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items
> folder.
> No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
> Crowley Never Restore Method?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Sent Item
> 
> 
> Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Tony Nguyen
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Sent Item
> 
> 
> I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
> items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
> 
> Tony Nguyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> System Administrator/DBA
> Senior Aerospace Jet Products
> (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
> www.jetproducts.com
> 
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Tony Nguyen
I did not implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method and the retention
was not set. What other options do I have to restore the send item? Thank
Everyone

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.
No need for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed
Crowley Never Restore Method?

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


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I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-12 Thread Darcy Adams
Ed - I'm surprised at you.  The item went through the Deleted Items folder.  No need 
for dumpsteralwayson.  The question is: did he implement the Ed Crowley Never Restore 
Method?

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Subject: RE: Sent Item


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Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Ed Crowley
Search TechNet for "DumpsterAlwaysOn".

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Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Drew Nicholson
Ok.  Go try it, and report back.  If you don't have it configured, the
option won't even show up, I believe.

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-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


We are on Exchange 5.5 with Outlook 2000. 

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From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:DNicholson@;rapidapp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Depending on the version of Outlook and how you have Deleted Items
Retention configured, yes.

Go to the deleted items folder, then TOOLS/Recover Deleted Items.

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From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Darcy Adams
Have you set up Deleted Items retention on the server?  Or, to reiterate what Chris 
said: if you've followed the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method, you're okay.

If you have not - you're pretty much stuck.  If you've got good backups, you can do a 
restore to another server, play back the logs, and get the message back that way.  

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


We are on Exchange 5.5 with Outlook 2000. 

-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:DNicholson@;rapidapp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Depending on the version of Outlook and how you have Deleted Items
Retention configured, yes.

Go to the deleted items folder, then TOOLS/Recover Deleted Items.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


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From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Tony Nguyen
We are on Exchange 5.5 with Outlook 2000. 

-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:DNicholson@;rapidapp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Sent Item


Depending on the version of Outlook and how you have Deleted Items
Retention configured, yes.

Go to the deleted items folder, then TOOLS/Recover Deleted Items.

Drew Nicholson
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-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Ben Schorr
Do you have Deleted Item Retention turned on?  If so check Tools | Deleted
Items Retention...

-Ben-
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>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:34 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> 
> I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the 
> deleted items.
> Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
> 
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> System Administrator/DBA
> Senior Aerospace Jet Products
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> www.jetproducts.com
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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Drew Nicholson
Depending on the version of Outlook and how you have Deleted Items
Retention configured, yes.

Go to the deleted items folder, then TOOLS/Recover Deleted Items.

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-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted
items. Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Darcy Adams
Only if you have deleted items retention turned on that the server hosting that user's 
mailbox.  

Or contact the person he sent the email to.

Or, restore.

Darcy 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Nguyen [mailto:TNguyen@;jetproducts.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item


I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Chris Scharff
If you're following the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method described in the
FAQ; absolutely.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:34 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> 
> I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
> Is there a way to get this item back from the database?
> 
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> System Administrator/DBA
> Senior Aerospace Jet Products
> (858) 278-8400 EXT. 250
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Sent Item

2002-11-11 Thread Tony Nguyen
I have a user that deleted the sent item and then empty the deleted items.
Is there a way to get this item back from the database?

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RE: changing location of sent item in outlook 2000

2002-09-24 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards

How about New Message/Options/Save Sent Message To:  wherever you want to
save it.  Works just fine.

Thanks.
Geoff...


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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing location of sent item in outlook 2000


Hi people

In outlook 2000 when I reply to a message in a shared
mail box the copy of 
the sent message goes to my sent item folder, how do I
change the location 
to the sent item of the shared mailbox. Is there a
registry settings that I can modify. I was able to do
it with the deleted item but not sent item.
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RE: changing location of sent item in outlook 2000

2002-09-24 Thread Neil Hobson


Check out:

http://victori.hypermart.net/unisent.html

Neil

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Subject: changing location of sent item in outlook 2000


Hi people

In outlook 2000 when I reply to a message in a shared
mail box the copy of 
the sent message goes to my sent item folder, how do I
change the location 
to the sent item of the shared mailbox. Is there a
registry settings that I can modify. I was able to do
it with the deleted item but not sent item.
Thanks



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changing location of sent item in outlook 2000

2002-09-24 Thread Eve Jimah

Hi people

In outlook 2000 when I reply to a message in a shared
mail box the copy of 
the sent message goes to my sent item folder, how do I
change the location 
to the sent item of the shared mailbox. Is there a
registry settings that I can modify. I was able to do
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Thanks



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RE: Sent Item not really sent?

2002-04-11 Thread Mood, Steve

Delayed delivery, manually moving a message into it? but where would the
sent time get stamped on it in either case? also DL expansion on a remote
server would do it but is not the case here.

The point being not so much the count difference but I can't find this
message in the system or any trace of it going through the system.

-Original Message-
From: Dillon, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc: Mood, Steve
Subject: RE: Sent Item not really sent?


Can you think of another way to make the "sent" folder message count be
greater than the number of actually-sent messages.  So can I.

-Original Message-
From: Mood, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item not really sent?


Server 5.5 SP4 NT 4.0 SP6a
Workstations W2K SP2 Outlook 2K

A user had a message that was sent but never received by someone within the
site (same server as well).  I typically track these down as misaddressed,
deleted, delegated, or processed by a rule so it does not appear where it
would be expected. The message does appear in the users sent items with a
sent time of Wed 4/10/2002 8:10 AM but I can find it nowhere in the
recipients mailbox (I also checked deleted item recovery).  Analyzing the
message tracking logs shows this user sent 16 items for that day when his
sent items shows 17.  All messages in the users sent items have properties
that include both a general tab and a message ID tab with the exception of
this one. 

No other mail flow problems have been observed during this time and the
event logs do not show anything special during the time this message turned
to vapor.  Unfortunately, MTA logging is not turned up at all on this server
but I would think an internal transfer failure would show up.

The client machine has no other mail delivery services besides Exchange
server and about the only thing really notable on the client is that it is a
laptop that uses offline synch but the user was online during this send and
sent other messages almost immediately before and after the missing one.  

No personal folders in use at either station.

What happened to this message?  What else should I be looking at?

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RE: Sent Item not really sent?

2002-04-11 Thread Dillon, Jeff

Can you think of another way to make the "sent" folder message count be
greater than the number of actually-sent messages.  So can I.

-Original Message-
From: Mood, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Sent Item not really sent?


Server 5.5 SP4 NT 4.0 SP6a
Workstations W2K SP2 Outlook 2K

A user had a message that was sent but never received by someone within the
site (same server as well).  I typically track these down as misaddressed,
deleted, delegated, or processed by a rule so it does not appear where it
would be expected. The message does appear in the users sent items with a
sent time of Wed 4/10/2002 8:10 AM but I can find it nowhere in the
recipients mailbox (I also checked deleted item recovery).  Analyzing the
message tracking logs shows this user sent 16 items for that day when his
sent items shows 17.  All messages in the users sent items have properties
that include both a general tab and a message ID tab with the exception of
this one. 

No other mail flow problems have been observed during this time and the
event logs do not show anything special during the time this message turned
to vapor.  Unfortunately, MTA logging is not turned up at all on this server
but I would think an internal transfer failure would show up.

The client machine has no other mail delivery services besides Exchange
server and about the only thing really notable on the client is that it is a
laptop that uses offline synch but the user was online during this send and
sent other messages almost immediately before and after the missing one.  

No personal folders in use at either station.

What happened to this message?  What else should I be looking at?

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Sent Item not really sent?

2002-04-11 Thread Mood, Steve

Server 5.5 SP4 NT 4.0 SP6a
Workstations W2K SP2 Outlook 2K

A user had a message that was sent but never received by someone within the
site (same server as well).  I typically track these down as misaddressed,
deleted, delegated, or processed by a rule so it does not appear where it
would be expected. The message does appear in the users sent items with a
sent time of Wed 4/10/2002 8:10 AM but I can find it nowhere in the
recipients mailbox (I also checked deleted item recovery).  Analyzing the
message tracking logs shows this user sent 16 items for that day when his
sent items shows 17.  All messages in the users sent items have properties
that include both a general tab and a message ID tab with the exception of
this one. 

No other mail flow problems have been observed during this time and the
event logs do not show anything special during the time this message turned
to vapor.  Unfortunately, MTA logging is not turned up at all on this server
but I would think an internal transfer failure would show up.

The client machine has no other mail delivery services besides Exchange
server and about the only thing really notable on the client is that it is a
laptop that uses offline synch but the user was online during this send and
sent other messages almost immediately before and after the missing one.  

No personal folders in use at either station.

What happened to this message?  What else should I be looking at?

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RE: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week

2002-03-18 Thread Andy David

Who the hell reads the readme?! Run setup and go! 



-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week


Use mailbox manager. I believe it's described in the SP readme files.


Chris Scharff - MCSE, Exchange MVP  512.652.4500 x244
Senior Sales Engineer   MessageOne


> -Original Message-
> From: Venkatesh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week
> 
> 
> All,
> I want to set up a script .so that it will clean up all 
> exchange user's sent item folder once a week. I saw one 
> script in cdoilve,that is good ,but the problem is it has to 
> installed by each user ,but i want to do it from the server 
> side . Any iput is greatly appreciated. Win NT /exchange 5.5 
> sp4 Tx -VB
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RE: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Scharff

Use mailbox manager. I believe it's described in the SP readme files.


Chris Scharff - MCSE, Exchange MVP  512.652.4500 x244
Senior Sales Engineer   MessageOne


> -Original Message-
> From: Venkatesh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week
> 
> 
> All,
> I want to set up a script .so that it will clean up all 
> exchange user's sent item folder once a week. I saw one 
> script in cdoilve,that is good ,but the problem is it has to 
> installed by each user ,but i want to do it from the server 
> side . Any iput is greatly appreciated. Win NT /exchange 5.5 
> sp4 Tx -VB
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RE: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Di Nardo

Mailbox Manager. 

Tom.

-Original Message-
From: Venkatesh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: How to delete all users sent item folder once a week

All,
I want to set up a script .so that it will clean up all exchange user's
sent item folder once a week.
I saw one script in cdoilve,that is good ,but the problem is it has to
installed by each user ,but i want to do it from the server side .
Any iput is greatly appreciated.
Win NT /exchange 5.5 sp4
Tx
-VB

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How to delete all users sent item folder once a week

2002-03-18 Thread Venkatesh

All,
I want to set up a script .so that it will clean up all exchange user's
sent item folder once a week.
I saw one script in cdoilve,that is good ,but the problem is it has to
installed by each user ,but i want to do it from the server side .
Any iput is greatly appreciated.
Win NT /exchange 5.5 sp4
Tx
-VB

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