RE: Weird message from System Administrator
So would this constant bantering be a solution provided or a work-a-round?? At least one thing has been proven...flames will go on. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Sorry, I'm just not a conformist... I have to deal with the likes of ignorance at my client sites. I'm certainly NOT going to accept what they say and leave it at that. I am a solution provider and a rather blunt one. If I don't like what I hear, I voice my opinion and I back it up. So I'm blunt, big deal. I work to achieve results, positive results. I don't work on half a$$ed implementations nor will I advocate them. If someone wants me working on their network, then they'd better be prepared for some bad news if it is not properly configured. We're in the business of providing solutions not work-arounds. The easiest network to administer is the one that is properly configured. That goes for infrastructure, file servers, email servers, etc... If it's not configured properly, it's not worth it. I get paid an awful lot of money to do what I do. If the network and servers are configured properly, I save the client money because I don't have to waste my time on work-arounds. As far as my response to Alex that started this useless whining and banter, if he'd chosen not to reply so condescendingly, maybe I'd not have called him an a$$. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] But where's the fun in that? Nothing more fun than to go into a staff meeting with the PHB in attendance and ask Which one of you chuckleheads is responsible for this piece of $^*)@)? Or if you'd actually like to change the status quo send out a series of UNODIR memos about policy and configuration changes you make (along with the reasons) just after you've implemented them. Then fight to keep them from being changed back heh. [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
I think if an admin lets his [1] boss make all the technical decisions and provide no input of his own, then he's not doing his job. I don't understand why people should be afraid of their bosses either. You're supposed to provide technical expertise to ideas that come from management or solutions to problems they identify. That's why they pay you. If an admin is nothing more than a mere input device for management, he doesn't deserve the title admin. S./ [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. -Original Message- From: Quiram, Nadia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5
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Being an input device for my boss does not sound like my kind of job! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I think if an admin lets his [1] boss make all the technical decisions and provide no input of his own, then he's not doing his job. I don't understand why people should be afraid of their bosses either. You're supposed to provide technical expertise to ideas that come from management or solutions to problems they identify. That's why they pay you. If an admin is nothing more than a mere input device for management, he doesn't deserve the title admin. S./ [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. -Original Message- From: Quiram, Nadia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management
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Endless string of he/shes? Sounds like an orgy Bill Lambert Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. None taken. =) Candee -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I think if an admin lets his [1] boss make all the technical decisions and provide no input of his own, then he's not doing his job. I don't understand why people should be afraid of their bosses either. You're supposed to provide technical expertise to ideas that come from management or solutions to problems they identify. That's why they pay you. If an admin is nothing more than a mere input device for management, he doesn't deserve the title admin. S./ [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. -Original Message- From: Quiram, Nadia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you
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homer Mmm..orgies.. homer Regards Mr Louis Joyce Computer Support Analyst Network Administrator BT Ignite eSolutions +44 (0)1392 459155 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 October 2001 16:37 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Endless string of he/shes? Sounds like an orgy Bill Lambert Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. None taken. =) Candee -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I think if an admin lets his [1] boss make all the technical decisions and provide no input of his own, then he's not doing his job. I don't understand why people should be afraid of their bosses either. You're supposed to provide technical expertise to ideas that come from management or solutions to problems they identify. That's why they pay you. If an admin is nothing more than a mere input device for management, he doesn't deserve the title admin. S./ [1] I just assumed this admin to be male to avoid an endless string of he/she's. No offense. -Original Message- From: Quiram, Nadia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
I don't want to start this rather unpleasant thread again, but I am aghast at some of what I read. An admin asks a question: providing app and OS version and SP, the full error text and a rather plaintive call for help. This is more than some questions have included that have been posted in the past (my own included). The replies started out helpfully, collecting more information and quickly denigrated to a most volatile (probably the worst I've seen on this list) flaming of the admin, who, while still burning tries to further explain his situation. I don't know how many on this list didn't understand that he didn't have room for 600 Meg mailboxes on his server (whether it is a hardware limit or an IS setting) rather than room for only 600 Megs on his server. I suspect I am not the only one who did understand him. There are doubtless other admins on this list who have to deal with unreasonable, ignorant management who just happen to have the admins job in their budget. Not everyone is in a position, or of a personality type, to fight management. Everyone who subscribes to this list for more than 24 hours (and probably before subscribing because they will have read the FAQ's) is well aware that everyone, including our unborn children, know that PST's are bad and that delivery to PST's should be the 11th Commandment. If you want to have a stable, secure Exchange org you will impose mailbox limits. We all [1] know that users are bigger email packrats than they were paper packrats. This necessitates a 'if you must have it, you are on your own - we won't back it up and we won't restore it' implementation of pst files. And this is not just one or two companies, but several. We also know that salesmen and other 90% travel employees pitch a b!tch if it takes more that 5 seconds to open their Inbox even though it is 90 Megs in size and they have a 36K connection. When you have to compare the number of times the Help Desk is called, second level support investigates and third level support convinces the by-now irate remote user that this is typical and they need to wait a v e r y l o n g t i m e for the mailbox to open to the ease of having them pop their mail and be gone Well, there is no comparison. Especially if the user is made aware of the aforementioned company policy on PST files. This is typically the type of person that will never manage their mailbox, so why spend all that time holding the users hand. Which is easier: having them pop mail and not worry about restoring it? or suffering through call after call with them because they won't believe that their ease of remote access is directly relevant to their management of their mailbox? I truly believe that Don Ely did not join this world as an all-knowing, all-seeing Exchange guru. He must have worked in an environment where he had to deal with users. He did say he worked with difficult management in the past. It seems to be that we can determine he is of the personality type to fight management - hopefully more diplomatically than he responded to Alex's plea for help. I also hope that the users he did deal with have gotten counseling and can now face a computer again. I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] Sorry for rambling on. Nadia [1] Consider yourself excused if you don't want to be included in the royal 'we all' used here and throughout the email [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file
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(and probably before subscribing because they will have read the FAQ's) *sigh* Oh, how I wish this were true -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. - -Original Message- From: Quiram, Nadia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't want to start this rather unpleasant thread again, but I am aghast at some of what I read. An admin asks a question: providing app and OS version and SP, the full error text and a rather plaintive call for help. This is more than some questions have included that have been posted in the past (my own included). The replies started out helpfully, collecting more information and quickly denigrated to a most volatile (probably the worst I've seen on this list) flaming of the admin, who, while still burning tries to further explain his situation. I don't know how many on this list didn't understand that he didn't have room for 600 Meg mailboxes on his server (whether it is a hardware limit or an IS setting) rather than room for only 600 Megs on his server. I suspect I am not the only one who did understand him. There are doubtless other admins on this list who have to deal with unreasonable, ignorant management who just happen to have the admins job in their budget. Not everyone is in a position, or of a personality type, to fight management. Everyone who subscribes to this list for more than 24 hours (and probably before subscribing because they will have read the FAQ's) is well aware that everyone, including our unborn children, know that PST's are bad and that delivery to PST's should be the 11th Commandment. If you want to have a stable, secure Exchange org you will impose mailbox limits. We all [1] know that users are bigger email packrats than they were paper packrats. This necessitates a 'if you must have it, you are on your own - we won't back it up and we won't restore it' implementation of pst files. And this is not just one or two companies, but several. We also know that salesmen and other 90% travel employees pitch a b!tch if it takes more that 5 seconds to open their Inbox even though it is 90 Megs in size and they have a 36K connection. When you have to compare the number of times the Help Desk is called, second level support investigates and third level support convinces the by-now irate remote user that this is typical and they need to wait a v e r y l o n g t i m e for the mailbox to open to the ease of having them pop their mail and be gone Well, there is no comparison. Especially if the user is made aware of the aforementioned company policy on PST files. This is typically the type of person that will never manage their mailbox, so why spend all that time holding the users hand. Which is easier: having them pop mail and not worry about restoring it? or suffering through call after call with them because they won't believe that their ease of remote access is directly relevant to their management of their mailbox? I truly believe that Don Ely did not join this world as an all-knowing, all-seeing Exchange guru. He must have worked in an environment where he had to deal with users. He did say he worked with difficult management in the past. It seems to be that we can determine he is of the personality type to fight management - hopefully more diplomatically than he responded to Alex's plea for help. I also hope that the users he did deal with have gotten counseling and can now face a computer again. I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] Sorry for rambling on. Nadia [1] Consider yourself excused if you don't want to be included in the royal 'we all' used here and throughout the email [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude
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I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] But where's the fun in that? Nothing more fun than to go into a staff meeting with the PHB in attendance and ask Which one of you chuckleheads is responsible for this piece of $^*)@)? Or if you'd actually like to change the status quo send out a series of UNODIR memos about policy and configuration changes you make (along with the reasons) just after you've implemented them. Then fight to keep them from being changed back heh. [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sure Mr. Ely flew off the handle. I think he did so because early responses from Mr. Aborzfard appeared to be argumentative and condescending. I interpreted them the same way. E-mail is rather one-dimensional; it doesn't convey smiles, tongues in cheeks, winks, nods or other nonverbal clues. Further, the question was answered correctly fairly early in the thread by Mr. Edgington. Had Mr. Aborzfard just thanked him and moved on, there would have been a whole lot less degeneration. But no, he had to fan the flames. A golden rule of e-mail: Reread your angry response several times and reconsider before sending it. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Quiram, Nadia Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't want to start this rather unpleasant thread again, but I am aghast at some of what I read. An admin asks a question: providing app and OS version and SP, the full error text and a rather plaintive call for help. This is more than some questions have included that have been posted in the past (my own included). The replies started out helpfully, collecting more information and quickly denigrated to a most volatile (probably the worst I've seen on this list) flaming of the admin, who, while still burning tries to further explain his situation. I don't know how many on this list didn't understand that he didn't have room for 600 Meg mailboxes on his server (whether it is a hardware limit or an IS setting) rather than room for only 600 Megs on his server. I suspect I am not the only one who did understand him. There are doubtless other admins on this list who have to deal with unreasonable, ignorant management who just happen to have the admins job in their budget. Not everyone is in a position, or of a personality type, to fight management. Everyone who subscribes to this list for more than 24 hours (and probably before subscribing because they will have read the FAQ's) is well aware that everyone, including our unborn children, know that PST's are bad and that delivery to PST's should be the 11th Commandment. If you want to have a stable, secure Exchange org you will impose mailbox limits. We all [1] know that users are bigger email packrats than they were paper packrats. This necessitates a 'if you must have it, you are on your own - we won't back it up and we won't restore it' implementation of pst files. And this is not just one or two companies, but several. We also know that salesmen and other 90% travel employees pitch a b!tch if it takes more that 5 seconds to open their Inbox even though it is 90 Megs in size and they have a 36K connection. When you have to compare the number of times the Help Desk is called, second level support investigates and third level support convinces the by-now irate remote user that this is typical and they need to wait a v e r y l o n g t i m e for the mailbox to open to the ease of having them pop their mail and be gone Well, there is no comparison. Especially if the user is made aware of the aforementioned company policy on PST files. This is typically the type of person that will never manage their mailbox, so why spend all that time holding the users hand. Which is easier: having them pop mail and not worry about restoring it? or suffering through call after call with them because they won't believe that their ease of remote access is directly relevant to their management of their mailbox? I truly believe that Don Ely did not join this world as an all-knowing, all-seeing Exchange guru. He must have worked in an environment where he had to deal with users. He did say he worked with difficult management in the past. It seems to be that we can determine he is of the personality type to fight management - hopefully more diplomatically than he responded to Alex's plea for help. I also hope that the users he did deal with have gotten counseling and can now face a computer again. I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] Sorry for rambling on. Nadia [1] Consider yourself excused if you don't want to be included in the royal 'we all' used here and throughout the email [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Just for my own edification
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Sorry, I'm just not a conformist... I have to deal with the likes of ignorance at my client sites. I'm certainly NOT going to accept what they say and leave it at that. I am a solution provider and a rather blunt one. If I don't like what I hear, I voice my opinion and I back it up. So I'm blunt, big deal. I work to achieve results, positive results. I don't work on half a$$ed implementations nor will I advocate them. If someone wants me working on their network, then they'd better be prepared for some bad news if it is not properly configured. We're in the business of providing solutions not work-arounds. The easiest network to administer is the one that is properly configured. That goes for infrastructure, file servers, email servers, etc... If it's not configured properly, it's not worth it. I get paid an awful lot of money to do what I do. If the network and servers are configured properly, I save the client money because I don't have to waste my time on work-arounds. As far as my response to Alex that started this useless whining and banter, if he'd chosen not to reply so condescendingly, maybe I'd not have called him an a$$. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I have just joined a company with the worst implementation of Exchange I have ever seen. Every admin here is afraid of their boss and will do what he says just to keep him off their backs. I have, however, refrained from calling all of them a series of politically incorrect names and abusively criticizing the decisions - whether their own or their managements. It's not that hard to do. Really.[2] But where's the fun in that? Nothing more fun than to go into a staff meeting with the PHB in attendance and ask Which one of you chuckleheads is responsible for this piece of $^*)@)? Or if you'd actually like to change the status quo send out a series of UNODIR memos about policy and configuration changes you make (along with the reasons) just after you've implemented them. Then fight to keep them from being changed back heh. [2] Try it, Don, you might like it. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come
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Just for my own edification, what was it? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I figured it out myself, Mr. Manners! That shows how much you know, despite your bigshot attitude! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think
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Regarding #2, if you want to carry on a personal conversation with someone, then you don't post it to a discussion list. Not every participant herein can watch the list in real time and respond to personal queries. The nature of a discussion list is that everyone responds to anything if he or she can offer something. Now, as to Mr. Ely's suggestions, you should reconsider your hostility to his tough love because he's right on the mark. Ed Crowley Compaq Computer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Alborzfard Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday
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EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
If you only have room on your server for 600 megs of mail, you have far bigger problems than this one pop user. And I never said anything about PST being a bad place to STORE mail. I have several myself, strategically located so as to minimize my grief if I lost any one of them. PST as delivery point is a whole mess of problems waiting to happen. You just may have stumbled across one today. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
I am only a novice at this stuff right now, but 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' is -usually- indicative of a mailbox being over the limit... I know you alluded that you checked the limits, but I wonder if the following scenario is occurring... 1. User X leaves on a trip 2. User X's mailbox fills 3. Joe Blow sends an e-mail and gets 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' 4. User X returns and pops the mail off... now the mailbox is back under it's limit. ??? maybe??? 600 megs... man that's small. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator If you only have room on your server for 600 megs of mail, you have far bigger problems than this one pop user. And I never said anything about PST being a bad place to STORE mail. I have several myself, strategically located so as to minimize my grief if I lost any one of them. PST as delivery point is a whole mess of problems waiting to happen. You just may have stumbled across one today. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
relax Why did you call him a DA - is he a district attorney? /relax -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I am only a novice at this stuff right now, but 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' is -usually- indicative of a mailbox being over the limit... I know you alluded that you checked the limits, but I wonder if the following scenario is occurring... 1. User X leaves on a trip 2. User X's mailbox fills 3. Joe Blow sends an e-mail and gets 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' 4. User X returns and pops the mail off... now the mailbox is back under it's limit. ??? maybe??? 600 megs... man that's small. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator If you only have room on your server for 600 megs of mail, you have far bigger problems than this one pop user. And I never said anything about PST being a bad place to STORE mail. I have several myself, strategically located so as to minimize my grief if I lost any one of them. PST as delivery point is a whole mess of problems waiting to happen. You just may have stumbled across one today. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Maybe he meant Duck's A$$? as in the hairstyle from the 50s? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I've got a monkey on my foot! -Arthur Carlson - -Original Message- From: Paul Done [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator relax Why did you call him a DA - is he a district attorney? /relax -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I am only a novice at this stuff right now, but 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' is -usually- indicative of a mailbox being over the limit... I know you alluded that you checked the limits, but I wonder if the following scenario is occurring... 1. User X leaves on a trip 2. User X's mailbox fills 3. Joe Blow sends an e-mail and gets 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' 4. User X returns and pops the mail off... now the mailbox is back under it's limit. ??? maybe??? 600 megs... man that's small. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator If you only have room on your server for 600 megs of mail, you have far bigger problems than this one pop user. And I never said anything about PST being a bad place to STORE mail. I have several myself, strategically located so as to minimize my grief if I lost any one of them. PST as delivery point is a whole mess of problems waiting to happen. You just may have stumbled across one today. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
User is currently out of office and not poping email Which is *much* better than pooping mail... I can only assume then that you have your Deleted Item Retention set to 0 and circular logging is enabled. That and only room for 600 MB of email? You do live on the edge! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Naw, those are just my initials backwards... -Original Message- From: Paul Done [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator relax Why did you call him a DA - is he a district attorney? /relax -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I am only a novice at this stuff right now, but 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' is -usually- indicative of a mailbox being over the limit... I know you alluded that you checked the limits, but I wonder if the following scenario is occurring... 1. User X leaves on a trip 2. User X's mailbox fills 3. Joe Blow sends an e-mail and gets 'The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message' 4. User X returns and pops the mail off... now the mailbox is back under it's limit. ??? maybe??? 600 megs... man that's small. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator If you only have room on your server for 600 megs of mail, you have far bigger problems than this one pop user. And I never said anything about PST being a bad place to STORE mail. I have several myself, strategically located so as to minimize my grief if I lost any one of them. PST as delivery point is a whole mess of problems waiting to happen. You just may have stumbled across one today. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Weird message from System Administrator EX5.5 SP4 - NT4 Whenever anyone is sending email to user X, they get the following message back from System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test#2 Sent: 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: Joe Blow on 10/26/2001 1:04 PM The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=VISIONICS;l=S-MAIL-011026170419Z-1270 MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:JERSEY CITY:S-MAIL But the weird thing is the user X is actually receiving all the emails. Any ideas why this is happening? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving the mails if it's supposed to be delivered to PST and it's sitting on the server? And why oh why is it DELIVERED to a PST when you have a server? Once again, PSTs have their uses but delivery point is not one of them. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator User is out of office. Mail is delivered to .pst, but now is sitting in the mailbox on the server. There are limits, but the user is not over. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Wow, that Joe Blow and User X sure do get around. I must be the only Exchange admin who has never worked with them. What's happening on that client? Delivery to store or PST? Limits? Is he over? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard
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I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! I'm looking to find out why is this happening? -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Then why do you say user is receiving
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again: User is currently out of office and not poping email. Therefore all new emails are going to sit on the server. They'll stay there until she/he opens up Outlook and pops them. Then they'll be on the .pst file. The point is email is being delivered, while the sender is receiving a bounced message to the contrary, back from System Administrator. It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Wh If you noticed I didn't provide you a solution. But I have seen the error... Error IDtenT. Maybe I didn't give you a solution because your attitude sucks, because I read your post and saw a suck a$$ attitude. Again: If you don't like it here, ask for your subscription fee back! Maybe I know the answer and maybe I don't. Worst part is... You'll never know. I'd be willing to bet I have the answer though... Just a hunch. I deal with clients like you all the time. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Again JackA$$!! If you have an Exchange server, WTF are you popping mail to a PST file for? -Original Message
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Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you are??!!! If you're so thick that you don't get it, don't go insulting people. I'm not gonna dignify you with an explanation, cause you're too much of a DA to get it!!! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26
RE: Weird message from System Administrator
Thank you Andy! His email is about as clear as the Potomac River! -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator Does this person have an alternate recipient defined for his/her mailbox? P.S. Your initial explanation of your problem was not very clear at all. You stated : It's being delivered to the .pst file because I don't have room on the server for more than 600 MB of email! Yes I know all about .pst files being not the ideal place to store email, but I can't bring down the server right now, just to add hard drive! That to me sounds like your mail server has only 600 MG of available space, not: I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email.(Which you stated later) Andy -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I don't have time for this kinda BS. Except for some useless trash talk, you still couldn't figure it out either! Here is a tip for you: Mr. BIGSHOT KNOW IT ALL, learn some manners! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator I understand that there is a care bear exchange list you can subscribe to. Maybe you should try there... Item #1: Email doesn't necessarily say what you mean Item #2: Sure she can talk for herself. However, we've been around here for quite a few years so we tend to say what we want. Item #3: I saw that, she's a very nice person and I would expect that of her. Item #4: I have been in that position before with the exact opposite results you came up with. I wonder why... Item #5: Your point is what?!? My mailbox is 700MB, I've seen others over a GB. Big Deal, I've got plenty of disk space and I would never nor will I ever advocate the use of PST's with an Exchange server. Item #6: Apparently not. Not likely. Waaahh... Item #7: Here's $.35, call someone who cares and ask for a refund. -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator 1- I was trying to clarify my situation better for her. Contrary to what you thought, I wasn't trying to be condescending to her. 2- Even if I did, can't talk for herself?! Who are you, her lawyer??! Still it doesn't give you the right to insult people like that. And you call yourself a computer professional??! 3- She responded to my email without any of the trash talk you did! 4- I am fully aware of our email system is not properly configured, but it's not because I don't know what is the best way to do it, it's because: A) No matter how many times I've told them, management doesn't want to listen to me. B) It doesn't want to spend money. C) It's not a high priority D) The only time they would approve is when a disaster happens. This is typical of this company. You gotta work in my company to know what I'm talking about. 5- I didn't say I have 600MB left on our mail server. The user's .pst file is 600MB. We have whole bunch of salespeople and others, who have each at least that much email. 6- I wasn't looking for advice how to set up our email system. I know my stuff well enough. I was just looking for an explanation for this. Instead what I got in return was insult from you and advice on how to set up my mail server and sarcastic remarks from others, except one person, who was actually trying to help me out. 7- So much for my wishful thinking that I can get help here! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator He/she who properly configures his/her doesn't have problems. Apparently, you don't follow this model. You're the one who started the Again: User is currently out... like Lori is stupid and can't read. I merely upgraded to the level deemed necessary for you. Call me what you want, think of me what you may... Fact still remains, you're housing improperly configured servers and clients. I more than get it, you can't dignify anything because you have nothing useful to dignify. Configure your sh!t properly and then come talk some trash. Til then... PEACE OUT! -Original Message- From: Alex Alborzfard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Weird message from System Administrator What kind of language is this??? WTF you think you
