[expert] Powerpack Md5sums
I need the md5sums for the powerpack edition downloaded from bittorrent. Who's got em? And no I don't care about the theoretically infallible bittorrent checksums, I just want to check the iso's myself. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for assistance in getting his winblowz to work correctly. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 10:41, Anne Wilson wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. We have had workmen in the house for over 2 weeks, and there has been an incredible amount of dust. I cleaned out the inside of the box as well as I could after the main part of the work was complete, but it was only at about time that the noise started. I think it is when writing to swap. I suspect that dust has got in where I cannot follow. How likely is that? I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? Anne Dust won't affect the drive, but heat will. If the drive is mounted with another drive right on top or right on the bottom, it can disentegrate from not being able to shed heat. One inch of airspace on top and bottom should be about right. Another thing is if a drive is left on 24/7, it will not (normally) last as long as a drive that is powered down. Which is one reason that I power down systems that are not being used; the bearings have a finite number of rotations on them before they fail. Not just the bearings in the hard disks but also all the fan/motor bearings. However that shouldn't be an issue with a 6 month old drive. The probability is that you have some sort of manufacturers defect with this drive and should start thinking about sending it in for replacement. If you are dead sure that this drive is the source of the noise, I would be calling in for an RMA number. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help - my box has been compromised!
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 01:43, David Guntner wrote: Lyvim Xaphir grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 00:18, David E. Fox wrote: I was under the impression postfix was relay proof - any advice will be helpful... It pretty much is, as long as you didn't break something mucking around with the configuration files. Out of the box, it has relaying turned off. You have to do things to it in order to open it up. Check your config files. My advice, which again will look like a cop-out, but in actuality is very serious, is that you switch to qmail. Vincent Danen, rpmhelp.net Oh yea, qmail is great. If you happen to like pain. --Dave (And yes, I've administered sites running qmail. I'll take postfix every time.) Personally I've had zero trouble installing qmail and zero trouble administering qmail. Most of the complaints I've seen about qmail in my own work experience have come from people that don't really know what they are doing, or are too lazy to tackle a learning curve. The fact is that postfix is not as secure as qmail. This isn't a matter that's up for arguability, it's a matter that is an established fact based on bugtraq archives. I've been monitoring the bugtraq mailing list for over 5 years now and I have consistently seen postfix security problems come up over and over again. Qmail, on the other hand, has to have made some kind of Guiness World record for NO security breaches or problems; ever. There have been problems with some of the patches that people have submitted, but there have never been any security problems with the core programs that were authored by Dan Bernstein. I personally have never seen a program with this kind of security record. I know about the rivalry between postfix and qmail on the newsgroups. Based on the information I have gained over the last 5 years, postfix has had security problems and qmail has not. Qmail has a pristine operating history and postfix does not. It's just that simple. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] help - my box might be a relay
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 01:23, David E. Fox wrote:
hey - help!
it's seemingly apparent that in the last week or two there seems to
be an increasing number of mails of a dubious nature being sent to
a large number of bogus addresses by yours truly :(.
I'm not a spammer but it seems that my mailing system (postfix) is
misconfigured -- but I was under the impression that postfix was
relay-proof. I have seen evidence though of some chinese sites
masquerading as m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com, probably forging headers
somewhere along the line. It further seems that mail is injected here
and then attempts are made to send the sh*t off to other places.
I have not gotten any complaints but as of now 22:30pm pst 11/4 there is
approximately 2.3 megabytes' worth of mail trying to get out.
1) I want to simply remove these messages. How do I do this? I have not yet
come across a queue removal program - like lprm - for mail. Can (or should)
I just delete all the files underneath /var/spool/postfix/{defer,etc,deferred,
etc} - i.e, keep the directory structure intact but do somehting like
find /var/spool/postfix -type f | xargs grep rm
Is that dangerous?
Secondly, using a fairly stock configuration for postfix, is there some-
thing I've missed? I can attach my configuration if needed. I have
basically kept the same one intact since I initially reinstalled 9.0
and upgraded to various levels of cooker over the past few months.
HELP ;)
David E. Fox Thanks for letting me
[EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk.
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This will be a blatantly and obscenely obvious cop-out, but have you
ever tried qmail.
Cause IMO it's just better than the rest. Just wondering... ;)
LX
P.S. The new transmitter is in place. :)
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Re: [expert] Help - my box has been compromised!
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 00:18, David E. Fox wrote: Folks - especially postfix people - I need some help - my box seems to have been turned into an open relay. I am running the same postfix configuration file I had installed when I was running 9.0 and later versions (currently I am running 9.2/cooker).. I have not been able to post to the list or send out any smtp email until I fix this and in the meantime have simply flushed (deleted) the outgoing queue in /var/spool /postfix via # find . /var/spool/postfix -type -f | xargs exec rm which (quickly) removes it. I removed many megabytes' worth of stuck email this way earlier today only to find that at 9 pm there was 4 megs more waiting and my isp admin had sent me a mail saying he disabled my smtp. I was under the impression postfix was relay proof - any advice will be helpful... Thanks! My advice, which again will look like a cop-out, but in actuality is very serious, is that you switch to qmail. Vincent Danen, rpmhelp.net LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Geomagnetic storm alert
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 02:36, John Wilson wrote: On October 23, 2003 07:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I just heard on Fox news that a pseudo-solar flare has erupted on the sun, and we now have a massive wave of electromagnetic energy and particles headed our way. It's due to hit tommorrow. No kidding. Supposedly the max rating for such a storm is G5, this storm is supposed to be G3 or so. Satellite communications might be disrupted and they say cell phone communications are at risk as well. Anything that's wireless may be affected. I will probably definitely be affected since my internet connection is satellite uplink. Anyways, watch out for voltage spikes and stuff like that. LX Dunno what Fox was on about but you can no more get a voltage spike from solar flares than you can from making tea. :-) Sorry, but you are wrong on that. Historically solar flares have played havoc with *both* telecommunications and power grids. FYI: http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~idh/STROBEL/starsun/strsuna.htm Solar flares are eruptions more powerful than surge prominences. They will last only few minutes to a few hours. A lot of ionized material is ejected in a flare. Unlike the material in prominences, the solar flare material moves with enough energy to escape the Sun's gravity. When this burst of ions reaches the Earth, it interferes with radio communication. Sometimes a solar flare will cause voltage pulses or surges in power and telephone lines. Brownouts or blackouts may result. Humans travelling outside the protection of the Earth's magnetic field will need to have shielding from the powerful ions in a flare. What you do get is messed up satellite communications and the probability of all communications running through the air of messing up at some high point and at some frequency levels. As cell phones operate in a vulnerable frequency range it's a good bet. There is every possibility, depending on the severity of the storm that some broadcast fequencies will be messed up as well. Things like Short Wave, for example. AC voltage operates at the relatively sluggish rate of 60Hz, far below the 1 GHz and higher range that these things generally affect. What those like Femme may be able to see is a spectacular display of the Northern Lights, assuming it's a clear night. Sadly, I won't see much. Too much light from the city and far too many large mountains in the way. :) For those of us in the telecom biz it means we get to cover a monsterous number of sins of ommission and commission by blaming it all on the sun. :-) Heh. A golden opportunity. :) Well, I for one can tell you that I'm having problems right now. My uplink is going online and offline, pretty continuously. I have to wait for an online time slice before I send anything. ttfn John LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: [OT] Geomagnetic storm alert
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 08:16, stefmit wrote: Is it true that the effects of this related to the gravitational forces may make the aurora effect appear in the sky more proeminent further South than usual? Yes...the massive stream of particles being channeled to the poles is supposed to give some really nice Aurora borealis lights. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] Geomagnetic storm alert
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:31, J.C. Woods wrote: Sheesh, what next? Can we get an explanation of this phenomenon based on Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty. After all, when dealing with charged particles, you wouldn't want to omit any kind of explanation based on quantum mechanics, would you? And, while we our at it, how about the simple application of Planck's constant? It is a thorough understanding we seek, yes? Lol.. Hey LX, did you have any notion that your *simple* heads up on a condition that could affect wireless communications would go so far? You should have known, you have been here a long time, my friend. Well, I am locked and loaded so let those particles come drjung I had no idea, my brother. It was originally a newsflash, not an exam essay. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] Geomagnetic storm alert
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:20, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 06:12 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:31, J.C. Woods wrote: Sheesh, what next? Can we get an explanation of this phenomenon based on Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty. After all, when dealing with charged particles, you wouldn't want to omit any kind of explanation based on quantum mechanics, would you? And, while we our at it, how about the simple application of Planck's constant? It is a thorough understanding we seek, yes? Lol.. Hey LX, did you have any notion that your *simple* heads up on a condition that could affect wireless communications would go so far? You should have known, you have been here a long time, my friend. Well, I am locked and loaded so let those particles come drjung I had no idea, my brother. It was originally a newsflash, not an exam essay. LX Let's cut to the chase. Should I wear my tinfoil hat or not? -- cmg You need passive shielding to stop the cosmic rays from causing DNA and cellular damage, so the hat should be lead, about three feet thick or so. Actually I need to run the numbers for lead against a 1 GeV particle running 87% the speed of light to get the exact thickness. Three feet seems like a good start. This same hat would help against a neutron bomb detonation, as long as you were in a concrete bunker. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Download and Powerpack editions
This may be a stupid question and apologies if it is, but I just got the Powerpack edition in after a solid week of bittorrent downloading, and I'm wondering if there is any possible reason that I might need the Download edition. If there is something on the Download that's not in Powerpack, or some other reason I might need Download, then I need to get started downloading as Bittorrent is going to keep me occupied for another week. I want to go ahead and serve my time in bittorrent prison if I need to. I'm on expert so I figure I don't need humor tags. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Download and Powerpack editions
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 15:57, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: It's OK to use bittorrent to download the powerpack if you're a silver member or above of MandrakeClub. That's how I got my copy. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gonzalo Avaria Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Download and Powerpack editions On Thursday 23 October 2003 19:36, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: If there is something on the Download that's not in Powerpack, or some other reason I might need Download, then I need to get started downloading as Bittorrent is going to keep me occupied for another week. I want to go ahead and serve my time in bittorrent prison if I need to. And you are using a P2P to download a pay distro??? I don´t think that´s correct to ask here... Sorry but don´t like this kind of posting. What the hell don't you like about it? I'm a long time list contributor and a silver member of Mandrakeclub, which is how I got access to the download in the first place. You got a problem with that? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Download and Powerpack editions
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 15:48, Markus Ueberall wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I just got the Powerpack edition in after a solid week of bittorrent downloading, and I'm wondering if there is any possible reason that I might need the Download edition. I can't think of any -- in other words: you don't :) Ad astra, I *like* that level of confidence. ;) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Download and Powerpack editions
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 13:41, Gonzalo Avaria wrote: Thanks, now i know that. Maybe in a few years i become silver, now i´m only a student with schoolarchip, so only can use the download edition. I apologize for the latest post. Greetings I'm posting this one again, maybe you were too much angry with me or anything else, but i would like to apologize... i din´t know that it was the only way of downloading, so please, again forgive me. Well, damn...you're a nice guy and not a pinhead. Sorry I popped off like that, I'm hair triggered for pinheads because of the large pinhead population. Not your fault, but certainly mine. Plus I haven't had my full dose of green tea today...so sorry about that. Why don't we turn lemons into lemonade and get you signed up as a Mandrakeclub member so you can download the Powerpack edition too. Just an idea. Take care, LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Geomagnetic storm alert
I just heard on Fox news that a pseudo-solar flare has erupted on the sun, and we now have a massive wave of electromagnetic energy and particles headed our way. It's due to hit tommorrow. No kidding. Supposedly the max rating for such a storm is G5, this storm is supposed to be G3 or so. Satellite communications might be disrupted and they say cell phone communications are at risk as well. Anything that's wireless may be affected. I will probably definitely be affected since my internet connection is satellite uplink. Anyways, watch out for voltage spikes and stuff like that. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Bittorrent bandwidth maximization
OK, I've looked at the faqs and I've read the expert list. I'm still
getting a max of 7.6 K/sec download speed where I should be seeing
between 70 to 90 K/sec.
I fiddled with the download.py file, finally changing it to:
('max_upload_rate', 0,
'maximum kB/s to upload at, 0 means no limit'),
and
('max_uploads', 0,
the maximum number of uploads to allow at once.),
This increased my download speed from 2 something to what it is now,
which is 7 to 8 K/sec. I tried None, 13, but that caused it to bomb
out altogether. I'm running bittorrent-3.3-2mdk which was pointed at by
the Mandrakeclub site. I'm not running the gui I'm just running the
ncurses version. Can somebody point me to a faq I haven't seen or tell
me something I haven't tried to increase download speed. I've been
downloading for two days now and I'm only at 5.9%.
TIA
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 07:52 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: whack That having been said, I still don't see this as being applicable to the discussion. Unless we are suggesting that Mandrake Linux is installable and configurable by an unsophisticated user who would be the person most likely to purchase an OS from a retail chain, the the existence of retail boxed sets is immaterial. Assume for an instant that your mother or grandmother were to purchase Mandrake from a retail chain, do you think that the experience installing and configuring will be fair to the distribution and recommend further purchases by others? I started with a copy of Mandrake 7.0 PowerPack at the local Staples. Took it home, installed it, and went surfing -- within an hour or so. I had done some research about installation and hardware beforehand (and I had both a blank HD and PartitionMagic available), but the ease of installation blew me away. I continued to buy each new version at some local store until 8.1, when I started to buy from the Store to give Mandrake a bigger share of my bucks. I'd suggest that the way to look at the mass market chains (office supply places, bookstores, CompUSA, etc) is that those outlets get the Mandrake name out where people see it. While the Mandrake name is well known and well liked within the Linux community, I submit that it is largely unknown in the outside world. BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg This is correct; currently Window's installations are much harder to complete than Mandrake installations. This is not publicized well enough. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I'm in big trouble
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 16:53, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2003 04:28 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:08 pm, Guilmot Mike wrote: Apu??? Apu nahaseesomething ... in The Simpsons ? :-) Kind regards, Guilmot Mike Ah - I must be the only person in the western world that has never seen The Simpsons g Anne Not to worry - I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode. ;-) You do watch Enterprise, though...right? :) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
How many people here can successfully create a boot disk under 9.1 or 9.2 using mkbootdisk and a 1.4 meg floppy? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Poll: Successful Boot Disk Creation
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 10:51, Mark wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: How many people here can successfully create a boot disk under 9.1 or 9.2 using mkbootdisk and a 1.4 meg floppy? LX Well...when I first loaded 9.1 thats how I had to do it to get a boot floppy. Have you tested the bootdisk? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS mount problems
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:53, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 02:59, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: I've found the problem. diskdrake didn't change the fomatting of the drive when I converted (or thought I had) them from reiserfs to xfs. It only changed the entry in fstab. It was trying to mount reiserfs drives as xfs. When I thought I had formatted them I apparently didn't know that the Format button doesn't do anything. I haven't checked bugzilla for this yet, but I guess I will. That would explain why, as one poster suggested, manually creating the file system did the trick where doing it through diskdrake did not. I found out what was wrong by starting an install of Mandrake 9.2 Beta 2. It was reporting the file system as reiserfs-- contradicting what diskdrake was saying (xfs). Anyway... now to manually create the xfs partitions... Thanks everyone-- for the suggestions. If you might remember it was one of my last suggestions to mount the partitions as reiser. ;) LX It sure was...but did you know why it was a good suggestion? :-P Yes!! ;) LX P.S. The clue was that you had successfully used the partitions before you rebooted. So therefore I was betting it was something simple like that and that your data was intact. -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I cannot see what I write here
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:18, J.C. Woods wrote: Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Thanks Carroll, I got my own message too. On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 08:50 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! It's more a test. I know that my e-mail to this list is going because I got answers but I cannot see back what I sent! Hope to be wrong... Let's see. Cheers, -- Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva -- It comes in here. (You should get two copies of this -- one direct and one via the list.) -- cmg So are we all happy now? LOL!! LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS mount problems
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:15, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Hello all, Can anyone help me diagnose why my previously working (reiserfs), now formatted with XFS, hard drives will no longer mount? I did the transition from reiserfs to XFS in diskdrake. It asked, and I allowed it, to write to my fstab file. As far as I can tell it wrote it Your fstab file does not matter at all in this context, which is to achieve a basic mount of the drives. The only reason an fstab file exists is so that parameters can be passed to mount by a script and approved by root. The main concern right now is, have your drives been corrupted. If mount cannot do a manual operation, then that means it's not seeing what it is supposed to be seeing when you make the attempt. Don't want to worry you but this isn't good. It's still probably something simple, though. To verify that this is or is not the case the next thing is you need to do is comment out everything pertaining to the partitions in question in fstab and start mount attempts manually, because at this point fstab is redundant and is only going to get in your way; at least until you achieve a successful manual mount. After you get rid or disable the relevant entries in fstab, again attempt to mount them xfs. If they won't mount xfs, then boot your 9.1 cdrom and go into rescue mode. NOW attempt to mount xfs. If it still won't go then try to mount them reiser. If that doesn't work... Well, give that a shot and we'll go from there. LX correctly, but after a shutdown and unplug (to avoid damage in a lightning storm) the drives will no longer mount at boot, nor can I mount them manually. I used them for a few hours, copying 28GBs of data back and forth without any problems before I had to shutdown. The Pertinent lines in my fstab are: /dev/hdg1 /drive2 xfs defaults 1 2 /dev/hdh1 /drive3 xfs defaults 1 2 Here are the lines from my previously working configuration (before they were converted to XFS): /dev/hdg1 /drive2 reiserfs notail 1 2 /dev/hdh1 /drive3 reiserfs notail 1 2 Any suggestions? -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS mount problems
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 02:59, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: I've found the problem. diskdrake didn't change the fomatting of the drive when I converted (or thought I had) them from reiserfs to xfs. It only changed the entry in fstab. It was trying to mount reiserfs drives as xfs. When I thought I had formatted them I apparently didn't know that the Format button doesn't do anything. I haven't checked bugzilla for this yet, but I guess I will. That would explain why, as one poster suggested, manually creating the file system did the trick where doing it through diskdrake did not. I found out what was wrong by starting an install of Mandrake 9.2 Beta 2. It was reporting the file system as reiserfs-- contradicting what diskdrake was saying (xfs). Anyway... now to manually create the xfs partitions... Thanks everyone-- for the suggestions. If you might remember it was one of my last suggestions to mount the partitions as reiser. ;) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 21:55, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:51 am, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? Felix: Way back when (summer 2001?), there was some traffic on the newbie list about these things. FWIW, Civileme didn't like them; he was a strong proponent of software-based RAID. Perhaps those problems have been resolved since then, but I've learned never to bet against Civileme. -- cmg Whoa there, tex. The Highpoint controllers can be used with Linux software raid to greater advantage than the standard raid controllers; they provide better performance. In other words you don't run them native, you run them with SW raid, and you end up with a better setup. Meanwhile that leaves the two original vanilla IDE channels open for other uses. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 20:31, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:33 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: I have a Hpt372 on my motherboard and had to turn it off in the BIOS since with standard 9.1, it causes a kernel panic that kills Mandrake. I did recompile the kernel with the Highpoint drivers and got it to the point where it wouldn't kernel panic when starting Linux but it still would not see the hard drives on that controller. I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. I also have a Highpoint controller and my Raid array is on itworking flawlessly under 9.1. The Highpoint controllers provide better performance than a standard set of IDE channels. They also leave your standard IDE channels open for other uses. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: router reboots
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 16:10, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 18 Aug 2003 9:03 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 07:52, Anne Wilson wrote: SMC Barricade 7401BRA adsl router On average, about once a week I have to reboot my router. No apparent reason - just that no Internet connection works any more. After a reboot, all is well, both on this box and all others on the net. I am not able to find any common denominator leading up to the problem. Any ideas, anyone? Anne Does it have firmware that you can update. I'd check on that first. --LX Hi, LX. Franki raised that one, but my reply to him was one of the ones that went missing, never appeared on the list. Here is what I said to him: Hi, Franki. A little while ago I downloaded the latest flash for the router and the installation instructions, which were to flash it from within the web page. 'Mine not to reason why'. I thought, and tried it. It didn't work. I contacted their tech support, who said they would email alternative instructions. They did, and it didn't work. It did screw up everything that had been there before, though, so I had to go in an reconfigure it. There was a complication in that I couldn't get a connection, which my isp traced to a line fault, which BT denied, but a short time after it was working again. Then I rang SMC's tech support again. This time a guy asked me why I was trying to flash it. He rather rudely said it was pointless - it was not necessary with the revision I had got. You should have told him that it was none of his damn business WHAT you were doing with your own equipment, and that if you wanted to pee on it in the shower then that's exactly what you were going to do, and that the only input you would need from him at that point would be to recommend the best way to do the most damage. Their job, quite simply, is not to question what you are doing but rather to tell you how to do it. Many times a phone jock will tell you something either because they have read entirely too much BOFH lit or because they don't want to bother with the call cause they've got a personal call they'd rather be on. The first thing to do before you pick up the phone for tech support is to realize *what their job is*. Because 90% of the time, THEY DONT. They are not the equipment police of your house, their job is to tell you how to flash their shite equipment. Any other words out of their mouth are extra and not needed. Any chance for them to be arrogant and assume ignorance on your part is usually a chance they will take. In the past, in such situations, I have thrown out some ignorance bait and then fed the rope out quite a bit. Then at the appropriate time, I yank on the rope, pull them back in, and do maximum damage. I do what I can to discourage this type of behavior. Between that experience and the fact that it is impossible to release a range of ports for a session (ideally I would like it to be software triggered, but I'll do it manually if necessary) I feel that when I replace it, it will not be with an SMC product. If I may, I will also copy in my replies to Ronald and Miark, which also went missing. ---snip, I agree with Ronald that this is not a dhcp thing- I'll be honest, the first thing that occurred to me when you described your problem was that a security hole was being taken advantage of with your router. Most of the time when a firmware release is given on a router, it's to address a security hole problem. This reboot problem sounded to me as if you were being scanned periodically and the scan was locking your router up. This is why I recommended a firmware flash, so that you could begin analyzing the problem from a fresh and more secure perspective. Of course now we have phone jock assholes standing in our way of that. The objective is to get the router flashed with the latest firmware revision, and then reexamine the problem to see if you have any further lockups. If lockups still are happening after you bring the router up to the latest firmware release, then it's an equipment problem and the router needs to be replaced under warranty. Also...flashing is something you only have to do once. After you flash it one time, the firmware is in there and you don't need to do anything else except start watching it's behavior for anomalies again. (unless another firmware revision is released.) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: router reboots
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 07:52, Anne Wilson wrote: SMC Barricade 7401BRA adsl router On average, about once a week I have to reboot my router. No apparent reason - just that no Internet connection works any more. After a reboot, all is well, both on this box and all others on the net. I am not able to find any common denominator leading up to the problem. Any ideas, anyone? Anne Does it have firmware that you can update. I'd check on that first. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Oh, and BTW...you guys owe SCO $1399.00
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 05:03, J.C. Woods wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: For the copy of Mandrake you now have. Wait...check that: it's $1399.00 for every CPU that's running a copy of kernel 2.4 or above. Who's ready to pay? SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU By Ashlee Vance in Chicago Posted: 05/08/2003 at 21:35 GM http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/32187.html ---Small slice of the article - Linux users face a serious question. Is $699 too much to pay for a good bath? The $699 scrubbing fee is exactly how much SCO wants for one CPU's worth of a Linux license, and that's just for the time being. Come October 15, the single CPU fee jumps to a whopping $1,399. This is the latest word from SCO handed down by Mr. Clean himself - SCO CEO Darl McBride, during a Tuesday conference call. SCO had been holding out on exactly how much it planned to charge Linux users for their use of what it claims is borrowed Unix code, but now all has been made clear - crystal clear. . LX Hey LX, At about the same time as when they pry my gun from my cold, dead hand, they can have the money too drjung Amen, brother. :) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cdbakeoven first try bad
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 00:56, David E. Fox wrote: I'm using what seems to be an old version of cdbakeoven after someone (who shall remain nameless) suggested I try cdbakeoven after letting him know of my issues with k3b crashing in the midst of a burn. (On that, I can simulate the writing and just use k3b for the conversion and do the actual writing with cdrecord). But cdbakeoven was worth a try so I grabbed it off of a cooker contrib mirror - at least I think it was one; the rpm hasn't been updated since last August. cdbakeoven-1.8.9-5mdk is the rpm I installed yesterday. It seems easy enough to operate, yet there must be something wrong in the setup - especially the programs it uses to do the conversion(s) from mp3 to wave format suitable for audio CDs. I got a burn all right, but I got a burn of only 1/4th or so of what I expected, and when I popped the CD into my CD player, I got white noise. Another coaster, I guess. Has anyone else noticed this? Are there settings I should pay attention to? Why are you not sticking with Gcombust? Is there something it can't accomplish that you need done? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ReiserFS , JFS or XFS
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 16:24, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Lawson, Jim wrote: Has anyone used these? What are you comments about these. ( Good, Bad) XFS has a dump utility... non of the other FS's do (JFS or Reiserfs). There is a dump for ext2/3 but you'll have to use snapshoting with LVM or ELVM to keep dump from hanging (unless you want to umount the filesystem before dumping...) If you care about real backups go with XFS. It's also (in my tests) faster than the others... Well, that makes three of us now that run numbers and are saying that XFS is faster. Bryan Whitehead, Civileme, and yours truly. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Oh, and BTW...you guys owe SCO $1399.00
For the copy of Mandrake you now have. Wait...check that: it's $1399.00 for every CPU that's running a copy of kernel 2.4 or above. Who's ready to pay? SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU By Ashlee Vance in Chicago Posted: 05/08/2003 at 21:35 GM http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/32187.html ---Small slice of the article - Linux users face a serious question. Is $699 too much to pay for a good bath? The $699 scrubbing fee is exactly how much SCO wants for one CPU's worth of a Linux license, and that's just for the time being. Come October 15, the single CPU fee jumps to a whopping $1,399. This is the latest word from SCO handed down by Mr. Clean himself - SCO CEO Darl McBride, during a Tuesday conference call. SCO had been holding out on exactly how much it planned to charge Linux users for their use of what it claims is borrowed Unix code, but now all has been made clear - crystal clear. . LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SCO
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 00:14, Miark wrote: Red Hat has a million bucks or more to dump into this--Mandrake doesn't. I'm content to have Mandrake focus on it's own problems and let the big'uns duke it out. Miark What peeves me is that IBM bailed SUSE linux out of the hole with millions of dollars, and here Mandrake sat needing only a measly million or so, and got passed over. Crazy. Such a waste. I think Mandrake is superior to SUSE linux, and IBM could have saved alot of money by investing in them, plus got a better product to boot. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ReiserFS , JFS or XFS
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 10:26, Lawson, Jim wrote: Has anyone used these? What are you comments about these. ( Good, Bad) James S. Lawson (@ @) oOO--(_)--OOo- I've been running performance comparisons between ext3, XFS, and ReiserFS. My numbers are showing that XFS is coming out on top out of all three. Civileme originally touted XFS as his favorite. I find that I agree with him. One thing that pushed me in the direction of XFS was the possible need for terabyte sized database files. XFS allows file sizes of this magnitude, and this is also very handy for multimedia work, such as working with DVD and sound stuff. I originally was going with ext3 because of it's reliability; however now, since I have run XFS for nearly 8 months now, across three Mandrake distro versions, I've decided to switch exclusively to XFS. The reasons for this include it's stability and virtual absence of problems here, even when run under the beta releases. I'm not saying that there won't be any problems for anybody, but what I do believe is that because of Mandrake's perseverance in supplying and maintaining the XFS stuff in regard to the kernel that just about all of the problems have pretty much been worked out. Anyway, the bottom line is that I find it faster and more responsive, and the boot times, load times (application and service) that I have checked show XFS to be ahead of both Reiser and ext3. I wish Civileme was here, he could certainly offer more commentary on XFS. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Oh, and BTW...you guys owe SCO $1399.00
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 04:36, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 00:24, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: For the copy of Mandrake you now have. Wait...check that: it's $1399.00 for every CPU that's running a copy of kernel 2.4 or above. Who's ready to pay? SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU By Ashlee Vance in Chicago Posted: 05/08/2003 at 21:35 GM http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/32187.html ---Small slice of the article - Linux users face a serious question. Is $699 too much to pay for a good bath? The $699 scrubbing fee is exactly how much SCO wants for one CPU's worth of a Linux license, and that's just for the time being. Come October 15, the single CPU fee jumps to a whopping $1,399. This is the latest word from SCO handed down by Mr. Clean himself - SCO CEO Darl McBride, during a Tuesday conference call. SCO had been holding out on exactly how much it planned to charge Linux users for their use of what it claims is borrowed Unix code, but now all has been made clear - crystal clear. . LX Guess I'll have to run 2.6 then *grin* James They've still got you covered, James. = 2.4 You sent your check yet? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Oh, and BTW...you guys owe SCO $1399.00
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:01, Jonathan Shilling wrote: Andy Davidson wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:24:30AM -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: For the copy of Mandrake you now have. Wait...check that: it's $1399.00 for every CPU that's running a copy of kernel 2.4 or above. Let's not generate our own FUD. The $1399 is for a server, not a desktop. The fee for a single-user desktop is only $199. No, I'm not paying that, either. andy Actually, if I recall correctly SCO stated that it is $699, and no I am _NOT_ going to pay them. :P Jonathan G. Shilling Senior LAN Administrator Hmmm. Well, technically since I have a server and two workstations running here now, that brings me up to $2797.00. For my own part I'm saving Lanman's sample response email from the newbie list in case they try to extort any money from me. As Dr Jung said, they can pry it from my cold dead fingers. Other than that and until then they can kiss my ass. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
(OFF LIST)Re: [expert] Kernel Update - NVIDIA Driver Problem
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 13:14, Vincent Danen wrote: You had the binary driver for nvidia installed. I did build a new one and it should be on Club (I didn't put it there, but asked someone else to). I just assumed it would be there. If it isn't, I can email the webmaster again and get him to put it up. I'm on holidays right now, still reading mail, but anything that requires work will have to wait till I get back. =) What you can also try is to use the nv driver for X (I believe that's it). That's the non-binary/commercial version of the driver, and should work although you likely won't get 3D or acceleration. Since none of that matters to me, and since I dislike the binary drivers, I use the nv driver instead of the one nvidia closed. Maybe this is a stupid question. But how did you manage to get a binary rpm of Nvidia's drivers produced from one of their run files? Or do they provide resources for putting their drivers in rpm format? Another question. If you packaged the binary Nvida driver into rpm format, what version is it compared to what's available on Nvidia's site, and how much of a hassle is it to keep the rpm up to date on Nvidia's latest driver release. Reason I'm asking is that I get a funny feeling every time I run that nvidia executable on my system. Stuff goes into the lib directories, and I'm painfully aware that the rpmdatabase knows nothing about it. Therefore *I* don't know what's going on either. I don't really feel comfortable with that. But I run Transgaming WineX for alot of stuff, and I DO need the hardware acceleration and 3D features. Well, especially since I've got a Hercules Prophet III ti500, and I kinda sorta want to take advantage of it's features (that I painfully paid for) before it goes obsolete in a few months. You know what I mean? :/ So if you are repackaging the nvidia stuff, I'm very interested in your work. BTW, just to let you know...I downloaded the entire rpmhelp.net contents and created a CD with the base/hdlist.cz and set it up as another source. It worked wonderfully with a urpmi install of qmail. :) Take care, Hal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] time drift
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 13:37, David E Fox wrote: Hi On a previous message I noted my issue with kde's clock having the wrong timezone. Still haven't sorted that out. But I noticed today that the system's time was wrong - still the right timezone but about 20 minutes off PDT using the 'popcorn' service (speaking clock). I apparently sync to time.nrc.ca, that's the one I picked, but if it's the source of the bad time, maybe the time is different in Canada? Back when I installed I seem to recall there was a list of available time servers, but I haven't seen where this list is stored post-install. Anne has already posted the url for the servers, but I've got a suggestion for a daemon that corrects your system clock online and off. It's called chrony -- http://chrony.sunsite.dk/ Chrony is different in that while it checks the ntp time servers and does correct your time, it also keeps a database of all the time checks that it does as well as the amount by which your RTC/system clock is off. The real value of chrony is when you are offline; because when chrony cannot contact ntp servers it reverts to it's database of ntp time checks and RTC/system clock error margins, and then makes corrections on it's own. In other words with chrony your system becomes accurate wether it's on or offline. This relieves your dependence on timeservers to a great degree. You no longer have to be in contact with an ntp server 24/7 in order to be reasonably accurate, as your system now has the capability to be self correcting of it's own errors based on a database of past RTC time errors. After a certain time of being online, the time/error database becomes sufficiently large that an adequate degree of time accuracy becomes prevalent during offline times. If you've ever studied exactly how bad computer clocks can be, you can understand how valuable a self correcting mechanism like chrony is. That's not all it does, however; there's quite a few other things that it's capable of, including detailed reports on daily average time errors, for instance. You can also peruse it's database as it accumulates timeserver versus system clock error data. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to turn off Bootsplash mdkKDM?
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 02:53, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:55, Felix Miata wrote: David Guntner wrote: James Sparenberg grabbed a keyboard and wrote: or in your lilo.conf vga=[some number] changed to vga=normal Ah! Good catch. :-) I was about to ask him what cross out? Because I couldn't find anything on that menu to uncheck WRT bootsplash. Once you've set vga=normal in lilo.conf and run lilo, those options completely drop out of the drakboot program. What happens to those who never run lilo? I always depend on Grub for boot. No need to run it after changing its boot config file. Felix .. sorry, not to prefer one over the other. I just never use grub. The only other boot loaders I've ever used come with FreeBSD, or in the early days of my Unix / Linux trials Loadlin. James Ahhh! Another one. I've stayed put with Lilo as well. ;) --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 21:48, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 18:26, Avi Schwartz wrote: Mandrake should change their kernel installation instructions in the latest Security Advisory since they say there: To upgrade automatically, use MandrakeUpdate. If you want to upgrade manually, download the updated package(s) from one of our FTP server mirrors and upgrade with rpm -Fvh *.rpm. Avi Avi Not quite... if you do Fvh... things could get real spooky. You never upgrade or freshen a kernel.. It always has to be installed (ivh ) otherwise all of the proper scripts to bind it to your computer will not get run and the end result will be.. a bit bucket. James I think I would have used the adjective foobarred. BTW, I have it on good authority that urpmi can update the kernel files now. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Test
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Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 01:22, Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 12:11, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You'll like this Lyvim... I've known for a while that my everything server cum router cum wife's workstation was overheating, but it's only been a major problem (e.g. interrupting task at hand) when she wants to play quake2. Last week I added a 95mm fan with a resistor on it, but didn't really look at the CPU because I have to pull the power supply to see it. So tonight we were playing some quake2 with a friend over the Internet, when her machine locked up a littler earlier than it normally would. No big deal, it started to reboot as usual, but then kernel panicked. So I gave it the three-finger salute, went to the BIOS CPU health page, and saw it ticking over from 98C to 100C -- yes friends, 212 degrees Fahrenheit or the boiling point of water :-) Needless to say I cracked it open and found that the CPU heatsink was blocked with cat hair and the cheap white thermal compound had burned away. In fact, that yellow pad on the bottom of my heat sink had also burned away. I scraped it all off and found a tube of Artic Silver II, took out the fan resistor and hooked a third fan up. I now have the 95mm in the front sucking in with no resistor (loud mofo) and two tiny fellers hooked to one of those auto-speed pyramid thingies -- one on the back of the case and one on the video card. That seems to be doing the job so far, and I plan to get that big fan onto the auto-speed thingie or a resistor because it is way loud. Wow. You are right...that is unbelievable. What was that TV show that was on one time? Now THAT's INCREDIBLE! Enjoyable story. I'm glad you didn't fry the silicon. It may be a loud mofo right nowbut you're one LUCKY mofo. ;) Keep up the good karma aura, whatever you are doing right... LX P.S. Send some this way while your'e at it... :) -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Bitch! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NIC's
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 14:12, James Sparenberg wrote: For speed. The pro100 edged out the 3c905 (especially when using multiple NICS to a single network as in for example a web server.) by about 2 or 3 percent. For reliability. I've yet to have either one fail (over the last 4 years.) so I don't have a curve on that. In my old firewall some testing I did with them showed on a 100mb network the 3com had a true 42mb throughput, the pro100 about 43-44mb and a linksys about 32mb. One note, It also is affected by driver quality. One advantage afforded winders. The authors of the driver has access to data OSS authors often don't, but in the case of these cards I'd say it's pretty even. (anyone need a collection of bad netgear and linksys nics?) James I assume since netgear wasn't mentioned that it isn't as hot a product as many have been led to believe. (how did they rate?) Did you test the cards all in full duplex operation with a switch or was the throughput analyzed in half duplex mode. Which cards performed the best in full duplex? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 01:07, James Sparenberg wrote: Really. Interesting. Must be one heck of a magnet to handle the torque and thrust of the fan eh? Just a thought here. But if you think about it torque and thrust for the spinning fan (assuming a constant speed) will be almost 0. If of course it is properly balanced. In such a case it will operate just like a gyro. (All the weight of the blades on the ends etc.) As long as it is constantly in a single plane of operation torque and thrust are negligible. Also like a gyro it would heavily resist any attempt to move it off of it's plane of operation. James Got some new news. Looks like you were right James; on all counts. It's basically a little gyro that uses the weight at the edges of the fan (magnets) to resist movement off it's plane of operation. Also, they do actually have small ball bearings at the center hub. Although the TMD fans got an excellent review and technical description in the following URL: http://www.dansdata.com/tmdfan.htm , I'm still peeved that they used the term bearingless. (???) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Bitch! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 13:53, James Sparenberg wrote: I think by bearingless they actually do mean sealed bearing. It's more a case of marketing taking a technical term and misusing it to the point of extreme obfuscation of term (ie Trusted Computing by M$) rather than what it actually does mean. But you are right the sealed bearing fans last seemingly forever. Don't know how long because the rest of the box gets so far out of date I never use the comp that long. (I've got one on a 233mhz pI that is 9 years old). James But the problem is that they specifically describe the bearing as magnetic tip driven. In addition to that they also say bearingless. This to me is inescapable verbage. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 01:07, James Sparenberg wrote: This is not the same thing. This is new bearingless technology. It utilizes something called a magnetic tip. My understanding is that the fan blade is suspended by a magnetic field. Really. Interesting. Must be one heck of a magnet to handle the torque and thrust of the fan eh? Just a thought here. But if you think about it torque and thrust for the spinning fan (assuming a constant speed) will be almost 0. If of course it is properly balanced. In such a case it will operate just like a gyro. (All the weight of the blades on the ends etc.) As long as it is constantly in a single plane of operation torque and thrust are negligible. Also like a gyro it would heavily resist any attempt to move it off of it's plane of operation. James I've got one now in my hand. The magnets that actually turn the fan are on the outside edge that joins all the blade tips together in a circle. They don't ever actually touch anything. The center point seems to be the magnetic tip. But I can't confirm that without unscrewing stuff. I'm sorry, I really don't want to do that. :) Anyway, the bearing type is specifically listed as being Magnetic Tip Driven. If it were anything else it would be listed as sealed, ball, (both), or sleeve. There's absolutely none of that. Plus the fan is advertised as bearingless. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 03:45, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Got some new news. Looks like you were right James; on all counts. It's basically a little gyro that uses the weight at the edges of the fan (magnets) to resist movement off it's plane of operation. Also, they do actually have small ball bearings at the center hub. Although the TMD fans got an excellent review and technical description in the following URL: http://www.dansdata.com/tmdfan.htm , I'm still peeved that they used the term bearingless. (???) Yet another update. I found the fan manufacturer's site and they have no mention of bearingless anywhere. http://www.ystech.com.tw/Tmd/tmd-0.htm The mention of bearingless comes in when you start hitting the sites that are actually selling the Areoflow or it's fan technology, similar to this one: http://www.mlhsystems.com/momex/NavCode/Hardware.info/ID/2159 Or this review site: http://www.burnoutpc.com/index.php?page=reviewsreview_id=150 Which lists the bearing type as Magnetic Tip Driving. This is simply incorrect. Other sites with conventional fans list bearing types as either sleeve or ball bearing. That is how the Areoflow should be listed; as ball bearing. More pointedly; the Magnetic Tip Driving technology is nowhere near the center ball bearing; it's outside the fan perimeter entirely. Bottom line, it's not the manufacturer's fault. The bearingless myth started after they began selling; by the sellers. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NIC's
On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 03:07, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 09:45, Richard Bown wrote: Hi all I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got lost. My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than this machine, My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine would floor a poxy winyuk machine. What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. In testing I've learned to love 3c905's and the Intel p100's ... Can you tell me which ones had the best performance out of all of them, without compromising anything. ? 10/100 class, that is. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beotch! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 13:45, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 06:24, Thomas K. Gamble wrote: HSF's that outperform the Areoflow don't do it by a significant margin and plus they weigh a ton cause usually they are solid copper. That can possibly put a physical strain on the mobo if it's in a tower case. I've actually ordered a couple of these to try them out although I don't know how much of an improvement they'll be over the Thermaltake Volcanos I have installed. Given that the computers are in safes, noise is not an issue, at least as far as the computers are concerned. Now the safes are a different story. I have three safes and each has two 10 inch exhaust fans. The background noise level in the room is about 62db. Annoying but I'm told it's not a hazard. Thomas, Don't forget your Arctic Silver 3 thermal compound. You need that. It has the best heat transfer rating of any of the others. For thermal resistance test results on some Volcano 9 and 7+ vs the VA4-C7040's, please see the following: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030113/cooler5-39.html#hot_or_cold_thermal_resistance_is_decisive Yes, the Va4-C7040 beat those Volcano's in this roundup. The noise levels *could* be made to be comparable, but he had to reduce the rpm's of the volcano's down to 1800 in order to achieve that. Meanwhile the VA4-C7040's were running at full speed for the noise level tests you see. Thomas, Not a hazard due to db level, but it can affect your hearing in that the the air in the room pulses rhythmically. If you are an old fart like myself this can be more damaging than when you were 21 because your eardrums are stiffer than before. For short times of exposure you are ok, but if you are going to spend a large amount of time in rooms like this I'd highly recommend the foam earplugs, or equivalent. Those aren't phones you're hearing. *grin* James James, Fascinating. I didn't realize that. I need to watch the noise levels around here a little more carefully. On a side note: While doing some overclocking tests I noticed that under full CPU load the mobo sensor was reporting 59C. This naturally bothered me quite a bit. I checked inside the case. Guess what? A SCSI cable was hanging over the HSF with only about a quarter inch clearance or so. About half the fan was covered. So I rerouted the cable, and the temp dropped under full load a full 5C; down to 54C. I think I'm going to refit the whole machine with round IDE and SCSI cables. --LX P.S. BTW, I'm still curious about your NIC testing. :) -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:11, Thomas K. Gamble wrote: I had a system that was experiencing periodic lockups recently. Turns out the cpu temps were creeping up to around 78C. Improving the case cooling brought the temp down to around 63C under load. Still not ideal, but the system is in a safe and has limited cooling. I may have to try a different heatsink fan combo. This is a Tyan dual cpu mb with 2100+MPs. Obviously reliability fails well below 110C, at least for this system. Anyone know which mbs have the core temp sensors? Well, the core temp sensors are in the core, which is the XP chip itself. In other words it's an AMD cpu thing; which is the reason for the increase in accuracy over the mobo sensors. If you were at 78C you were at extreme risk of frying your CPU's. In fact it's possible that there might have been some damage done. But you can chill those puppies and you might be able to get stability under high load with no problem. What I would do is install two Vantec Areoflow heat sink fans (they have copper cores, surrounded by a block of machined aluminum) after cleaning the chip surfaces carefully with a q-tip soaked in odorless mineral spirits to get rid of the old thermal compound. Same for the HSF. Get some Arctic Silver 3 thermal compound (the best thermal resistance rating you can get) and use that to install your Areoflows (model number VA4-C7040). Arctic Silver 3 is pretty much the best thermal compound around and as a result of it's superior thermal resistance it can get your core down by as much as 7C. The Areoflows have bearingless fans which are some of the quietest in the industry, and ultimately reliable because they are, well, bearingless. It is possible to get a better thermal resistance with another HSF, but not without going to a bearing based fan, and the HSF's that outperform the Areoflow don't do it by a significant margin and plus they weigh a ton cause usually they are solid copper. That can possibly put a physical strain on the mobo if it's in a tower case. -- Thomas K. Gamble Los Alamos National Laboratory Advanced Diagnostics Instrumentation (C-ADI) p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 MS-E543 LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beotch! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 2.4.21 athlon-xp optimized mm kernel
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 00:29, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Does the Duron use the same flags as the t-bird? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -George Bernard Shaw Brant, I feel fairly certain that it does indeed use the same flags as the T-bird. Anyone else please confirm or deny. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT - quake3
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 14:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been REALLY busy the last few months and haven't had the chance to play my favorite game, q3a. I just started it up last night and after finding that I had to install the latest point release, 1.32b, to make it work again - I did a few warm up games then jumped onto multiplayer - aaa!!! Where did all the servers go??? PLEASE tell me it's something simple!! Did everyone quit playing quake??? I don't think I could make it through life knowing that q3a is no longer out there!! I guess I took it for granted, just thinking it would always be there for me, I should have paid more attention, I feel awful!! Ok, enough drama, does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks :) Mike Not sure exactly what the problem might be here. I know that there were alot of Quake peeps that stayed on the older pointreleases because of sound problems with the newer ones; in Linux, at least. (When you are on one pointrelease, you can't see servers that are on the other pointreleases.) On the other hand, my son and I had problems with NAT in that you need one public IP address PER MACHINE in order for Quake to work properly on all of them. Difficulties with the NAT configuration kept us from properly getting out; I remember we resolved it, but I can't remember exactly what the problem was, and even after it was fixed, only one of us could play at a time. Come to think of it, I think it was that the Quake ports were not properly open on the gateway. Again, if there is nobody running a server on your particular patch, then of course you won't see anything. I doubt that's the case tho...it just may be that the Quake ports are not being allowed thru your NAT or firewall. Let me know how it goes.. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 00:15, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:55, Vox wrote: The stock fan that comes with the Athlon is not the best deal in the world. The real deal is a Vantec Areoflow VA4-C7040. That's a fantastic piece of engineering, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I use a Volcano 6, IIRC (I didn't build this thing, a friend did...I don't open computers...HW sucks :) And I think it's doing a very good job, considering the fact that the room I'm in is at 42C at the moment :) To see what is happening, download Prime95 (mprime2212.tar.gz) from http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm I'll check that out, thanks for the suggestion...as I said, HW is not my stuff...one of my other geek friends deals with my HW, I deal with his SW :) Thanks for the bunch of tips...I'll do the SW side checks and I'll pass the HW stuff to my friend...thanks bunches :) Vox You're welcome. Prime95 is an overclocker's tool. It will help when you are attempting to get the CPU to maximum load. I have found here by experimentation that it is very hard for me to max the CPU out to the highest temp by just doing different tasks in X, no matter it seems what I do. There's no escape from the Prime95 torture test, tho. ;) Vox, Last ditch if you get worried. open the side and put a small desk fan right on it. From the hardware standpoint. make sure cables (like ribbon cables) are clear of the fan. Also you might consider case fans in addition to the volcano fan. (I love volcano myself.) James I considered the Volcano 7 and the Volcano 9 in the following URL while doing research on HSF's, before I purchased one, and although their results were impressive the reason I went with the Areoflow was because it beat those two, plus the majority of the others, both in thermal resistance and noise rating. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030113/cooler5-39.html#hot_or_cold_thermal_resistance_is_decisive Note that the Volcano 7 and 9 are newer models than what Vox presently has. If the lm_sensors is picking up his temp from the mobo sensors, then there may be as much as a 10 - 20C difference between the actual core temp and what's being detected. That means that a 90C processor failure temp could be reached long before the mobo sensors get anywhere near 90C. His ambient temperature is already high, cause of no air conditioning. So, without an HSF upgrade, the open case and fan are a good suggestion. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 00:55, Robert Crawford wrote: On Friday 11 July 2003 12:35 am, Vox wrote: On September 1993 plus 3599 days James Sparenberg wrote: Vox, Last ditch if you get worried. open the side and put a small desk fan right on it. From the hardware standpoint. make sure cables (like ribbon cables) are clear of the fan. Also you might consider case fans in addition to the volcano fan. (I love volcano myself.) I'm not really worried about the temp...having read the docs from AMD, I won't worry till it hits 65C, which it has never done :) And yes, I like the volcano...has worked well for me...and I do have a case fan at the front and a small fan on the mboard itself...I've been thinking about getting a second case fan for the back, but am too damn lazy to go find one :) Vox It's been my experience with numerous AMD cpus that anything over 45c. is likely to start causing random misc. problems. I always start feeling apprehensive when my temps go above 40c. Why AMD states up to 90c. is beyond me. The one time I got above 50c. the system became unusable- random lockups, shut-down problems, various hanging with programs, etc. Better cooling fixed everything instantly, so it was obviously caused by high temps. wrc1944 This is very true. It's also a fact that higher operating temperatures cause AMD's to operate increasingly hotter as they get older and also shorten the life of the CPU. Once the CPU accumulates damage it cannot be un-damaged. Therefore I made sure that this new XP2100 I got the other day had the best cooling possible, cause I want the processor in mint condition on up to the day it goes on to greener pastures. I also glance with great suspicion at the AMD failure temp. I think that it should be made clearer to users that this is a core temp measurement, which is very different from a mobo sensor temp measurement. There can be 10 to 20 deg C difference between the two, which means you can be frying your CPU and not even realize it. I've got an XP2100 and (it being new) it probably has a core temp diode sensor. But I know for a fact that my system is not taking advantage of that, and that lm_sensors is reporting from the mobo sensor. Therefore to me it's reflexive it to calculate the error of margin in. The small investment in HSF research and hardware is well worth the peace of mind. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 08:43, Jack Coates wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 05:12, Phil wrote: Hello All, After playing with Ksensors tonight I'm now wondering what the threshold temperatures for the CPU and Mother board should be. I have an AMD XP2000+ CPU which is currently running at 60 degrees C while the Mother Board temperature is 24 degrees C. I remember that these temperatures were quite a bit higher during Summer. As everyone else has said, AMDs run very hot. As long as you're playing with lm_sensors, have a look at lmcgi :-) http://www.monkeynoodle.org/statistics for an example. The case fan says zero because I'm not using the three-pin motherboard connector right now. As you all can see, Jack's idle temp seems to be the low 40's, it was 42C whenever I checked it. So he is exactly where he is supposed to be tempwise. 60C is way too high. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 10:19, Jack Coates wrote: Is it just me, or does 205 to 230 degrees Fahrenheit seem a bit excessive for the maximum temperature of a desktop? Yikes! I'm nervous enough about the operating temperature of 122 to 158 degrees Fahrenheit. Overclockers usually don't like a CPU load temp to go over 60C. If it's operating at that or over during load then it's likely that the life of the CPU is being shortened. I've got a Vantec Areoflow VA4-C7040 HSF with a substandard heat compound (got Arctic Silver 3 on order) and even with a crappy heat grease and high core/IO voltages, the under-load temperature of the CPU never exceeds 60C. Remember, that's with overclocking. A stock system should NEVER exceed or even approach 60C load. The target load temp for stock systems is around 50C. As peace of mind is pretty cheap these days in the form of better cooling, it's best to remember that 50C reported from mobo sensors can be worse than 60C from CPU core diode sensor. For me, peace of mind is a Vantec Areoflow and Arctic Silver 3 thermal compound. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] heretic2 and sound in mandrake 9.1
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 10:58, Praedor Tempus wrote: It has been a while since I last played this game but now I have some family visiting and at least one of these visitors would like to pass some time playing it. I installed it last night, got it working with my NVidia Ti4200 just fine, but I have no sound and it looks to be a libSDL issue of some sort. Has anyone managed to get this game working with sound in Mandrake 9.1 (or 9.0 which is likely similar enough for me to copy)? I have all the libSDL rpms installed that came with 9.1 but perhaps one is missing that is needed by this game? praedor It's been awhile since I've done this, but I remember having to do a symlink(s) to the *real* SDL .so files(lib dir somewhere) *from* the heretic2 directory. I think that's finally what got it going. I'm going to be reinstalling Heretic2 this weekend (my son's coming to spend a week) so then I can have some hard specific information for you then. Ahhhyou also need to have the dynamic linked patch in place instead of the static lined one. I've got that patch archived if you need it btw. The best one I could find was from somewhere in Germany, and after I applied that and made the symlink changes, stuff started working. This was under 8.2, but I believe we can get the same results under LM91. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:50, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 08 July 2003 03:22 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: There have been some Toshiba firmware updates addressing media support; you probably would be served best if you made sure the drive was flashed with the latest firmware. I've got a link I'll send you that also includes region free firmware updates. ;) --LX Thanks Lyvim! No problem, my friend. :) --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] heretic2 and sound in mandrake 9.1
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 14:03, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 01:19 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Ahhhyou also need to have the dynamic linked patch in place instead of the static lined one. I've got that patch archived if you need it btw. The best one I could find was from somewhere in Germany, and after I applied that and made the symlink changes, stuff started working. Yep, I had to use the patch as well. Lyvim is right - its the static versus dynamic issue again. It does work under 9.1 though, for sure. Lyvim, I think you and I have worked thru this under a couple of releases now, eh? grin It's a tradition. ;) The tradition continues this weekend as I get a gaming workstation ready for my son; we're probably going to do some Baldur's Gate 2, Diablo 2: Throne of Bhaal, and Battlefield 1942; all under Transgaming Winex3. Then we'll probably do Heretic 2, Quake 3, and Neverwinter Nights native. Woo hoo! :) --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cdrw
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:48, dfox wrote: Somebody scribbled about re: [expert] cdrw ok i bit the bullet. Thanks to lyvim and other people's comments, i am going with a 1312 combo dvd/cdrw, from toshiba. i ordered it from micro pro and hope it arrives soon. i'll update folks when i get it. Update: boo hoo. I am running into a big catch-22 with respect to my debit card -- the bank can't add the shipping address and i live in an apt so i can't have the package sitting at my doorstep when I come home at 7pm, as it will probably be stolen. Micro pro flatly refused to ship to my work address. Hang on, I'm finding you something... --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Partition resize...
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 01:34, John McQuillen wrote: On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 22:18, John McQuillen wrote: Hi everyone, I have just moved my Mandrake 9.1 installation to a larger hard drive. I created partitions on the new drive with larger sizes to fill the new drive, then cloned the partitions from the old drive one at a time with Norton Ghost. After recreating the boot loader from the rescue disk, my system has booted and everything works A-OK. The only problem is that although Diskdrake shows the new partitions at the new sizes, df still reports the old sizes and free space. It appears that the file systems have not grown to fit the new partitions. Is there anything that I can do to fix this, or do I have to start again? Ok, since no-one here seems to know the answer to this, I posted to another forum (SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group) and got the answer which was to use resize_reiserfs (in my case) to resize the file system to the partition size. I had to boot to the rescue disk after copying resize_reiserfs to a floppy, as I discovered it is not on the rescue disk :( and run resize_reiserfs /dev/hdax for each of the partitions [1,6,7,8] that required resizing. You learn something new every day! :) Cheers, John... John, it seems that you were the only one qualified enough to answer your own question. :D --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:03, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 08 July 2003 10:09 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: A 700 mb CDr has two sizes. 80 minutes, and 700mb. Only time minutes is important is audio images. I often burn way over 800 mb's of wav's to a CDr, but the time needs to be just under 80 minutes of playing time to make the CDr stable on cheap junk CD players. Movies OTOH don't go by minutes, they need to fit 'data wise' in MB's on a CDr. Guess I'll just keep re-encoding the 'too big' ones ;) Talked to him. :-) He said they were 700s jammed full. Guess thats why my fairly new Toshiba DVD drive would not read them, but my Plextor CDRW would. There have been some Toshiba firmware updates addressing media support; you probably would be served best if you made sure the drive was flashed with the latest firmware. I've got a link I'll send you that also includes region free firmware updates. ;) --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 2.4.21 athlon-xp optimized mm kernel
What kind of speed difference are you seeing between the xp-optimization and the stock kernel? On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 01:36, Robert Crawford wrote: For those interested, I recompiled the 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk kernel with pretty aggresive athlon-xp optflags, and it works fine. These flags also work on other kernels I have tried. The trick in making them take when compiling kernels is putting them in the linux-2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk/arch/i386/Makefile, in the following manner. First, I installed the MDK multimedia kernel kernel-source rpms in the usual manner. Then I copied the resulting source directory placed in /usr/src to my kernels directory in ~/home. Then copy the .config file to another location, go to a console, cd to linux-2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk and do make mrproper. Then go into the above mentioned Makefile, and comment out the current MK7 flags, and add the new flags stanza, like shown below. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Another Windoze feature in 9.1: kernel freezesroutinely
On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 18:01, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 07:46, Peter Møller Neergaard wrote: I have now been running Mandrake 9.1 with the 2.4.21-0.18mdk kernel for about 3 weeks. At this point it is starting to be annoying that this kernel locks up more often than even Micro$oft Windoze. The lock up will happen anything from 5 minutes to 10 hours of boot. It must be the kernel locking up since there is no response to the SysRq+Alt+... keys. This happens routinely, but irregular, so I have no idea how to track it. I tried maximizing the information to syslog by choosing *.* /var/log/syslog in /etc/syslog.conf. A typical entry looks like this: Jul 6 14:42:18 pan spamd[5914]: identified spam (9.3/5.0) for turtle:501 in 0.4 seconds, 3321 bytes. Jul 6 14:45:00 pan CROND[5928]: (turtle) CMD (/usr/sbin/anacron -t $HOME/bin/shell/cron/anacrontab) Jul 6 14:45:00 pan anacron[5929]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2003-07-06 Jul 6 14:45:00 pan anacron[5929]: Normal exit (0 jobs run) Jul 6 14:47:12 pan syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Jul 6 14:47:12 pan /etc/hotplug/net.agent: invoke ifplugd eth1 Jul 6 14:47:12 pan ifplugd[1526]: Using interface eth1/00:02:2D:40:D0:92 Jul 6 14:47:12 pan ifplugd[1526]: ETHTOOL_GLINK failed: Operation not supported which means that I have booted around 14:46:45. Thus there does not appear to be any programs running just before the lock up. So at this point I would like suggestions: - how can I get more debug information from the kernel - should I change to a different kernel, e.g., vanilla 2.4.21. Or should I consider one of the patched ones. Thanks /Peter Couple of questions to get the ball rolling. One Have you run memtest on your RAM? I've had problems like this before and what the cause was, was a bad ramchip but high enough up that normal operation didn't see it but when it came to a higher ram usage (like say logrotate) it would lock the box tighter than a republicans hand around someone else's penny. This would be my first suspect. Second. Did it do this under the 13mdk version of the kernel (the one that comes with 9.1) Third what version of the kernel do you use. SMP Enterprise etc. James Let me help a little by rolling the ball further down the sidewalk. He should go to http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm And download the linux version of Prime95. Then run the stress test. This will test the cpu very extensively while using all available ram. If it passes Prime95 overnight then he's got a good machine. If it fails then he's got hardware problems somewhere. HTH, LX P.S. And it's a Democrat's hand around someone elses penny (aka taxes). :D The Reps have the vise grip on their own pennies. -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
Remember. The vendor can report the correct write modes all he wants; but there is also the small matter of correct EFM encoding. That means actually testing the drive to see if the drive can reproduce exotic conditions like weak sectors. That in turn means that somebody needs to have actually tried to produce backup copies of exotic cd's in an attempt to create true 1 to 1 copies.and then reported their results. Like the results at the CloneCD hardware database, for instance. For an idea of what true quality drives are capable of and what they are up against, please check out the following: http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20021213/lg-13.html Not having perfect EFM encoding is the same thing as not having the correct raw hardware modes at all. For this info we need somebody's test results. On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 03:25, KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 charlie wrote: On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:56 pm, Tom Brinkman had this to contribute :- Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of 'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0' Just the ID/Rev, and the last several lines are relevant. Here is the output from a couple of the Yamaha's here. Interesting... Cdrecord 1.11a31 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling scsidev: '0,2,0' scsibus: 0 target: 2 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' Device type: Removable CD-ROM Version: 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : SYNC Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA ' Identifikation : 'CRW2100E' Revision : '1.0J' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : SWABAUDIO Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R Cdrecord 2.0 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling scsidev: '0,0,0' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' Device type: Removable CD-ROM Version: 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : SYNC Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA ' Identifikation : 'CRW3200E' Revision : '1.0d' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE AUDIOMASTER FORCESPEED Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R - -- KevinO --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 00:27, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 06 July 2003 04:52 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: It's not so much the difference between the atapi and scsi drives, it's the data bus. Copying a CD on the fly is a much safer and faster thing using scsi. wobo Agreed. Less system resource/cpu time, responsiveness, etc, etc. Its more like set it and forget it (to paraphrase a really annoying infocommercial!) :-) I can always tell a student/advocate of ESR when I see one. ;D --LX P.S. Cause ESR is a religious SCSI devotee.g -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 11:27, Tom Brinkman wrote: It's an IDE burner, not SCSI. I'm not interested in burnin at over 8x. Most of the time I burn at 4x. Other than the quality drives (Plextor and Yamaha), I just thought it might be a good idea to investigate the cheap ones like Lite-On. Times have changed. Plextor and Yamaha are no longer what they used to be in the days before computer users became technically savvy about cdrom technology. Plextor for instance now has an abysmal record with regard to EFM encoding. There are fully 20 drives tested in the following URL, and only one of them has correct EFM encoding. That drive was released *this* year; go figure. SEE: http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/p.html#plextor Yamaha is not really any better, in fact they are worse. Out of 28 tested drive models, NONE of them has correct EFM encoding!! SEE: http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/y.html#yamaha This is what happens when people are using word of mouth to buy drives instead of performance oriented test results from real world applications. The vendors can rest on their laurels and push an inferior product on an unsuspecting public for as long as they are allowed. Plextor has started reacting to the Liteon phenomenon as of this year by finally putting out a drive that encodes completely right. Now as long as you are doing elementary stuff, like burning ISO's from the image, or copying non-copy-protected audio or software cd's, you'll never know that the drive isn't all there. In that case it's fine to own an inferior burner. It's only when you are doing college level stuff like making backup copies of copy protected audio or software cd's that you will really see the problems or attributes of a drive. That's why I keep posting these links; they represent information from test results. That's the starting point; the test results. All clearly explains the Liteon phenomenon. Why exactly are they so popular? Well, the answer is very simple. Liteon drives, almost all of them without exception, are fully capable of giving you true 1 to 1 copies of copy protected cd's. Why? Because they have BOTH the hardware modes needed *and* correct EFM encoding. Look at Liteon's track record and you will see what I mean: http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/l.html#liteon Out of 12 drives tested, only three are questionable. By test results, not word of mouth. This is exactly why Liteon drives are popular; quite simply, they do the job that they are supposed to do under demanding circumstances. So the hacker guys that can get the jobs done under the demanding circumstances already know everything I've posted here because they are cdrw hackers; as such their opinions are respected and they are the ones recommending the drives to others trying to do the same thing. Other people like me, for instance. The push for all this recent popularity is the fact that the Liteon drives get the job done after UPS delivers them. I personally chose Toshiba, because I feel that Tosh drives offer more quality of hardware than the others, (for slightly more money) plus having immaculate hardware specs. This is all based on prior personal experience. Liteon succeeds mainly because young cdrw hackers can afford them (they are cheap) and they almost always get the job done. Few things I need to ask, are the Lite-On's made by Lite-On, or are they rebadged from other manufacturers? Liteon is it's own manufacturer to the best of my knowledge. There are others relabeling the Liteon brand, like Buslink, and they sell them at a lower price. So if you see any Buslink brand burners in Best Buy or elsewhere, jump on them and ask the guys there if it registers as a Liteon model number in system information when it is installed. A relabeled Liteon drive will always display it's true Liteon model number when installed in the system. We bought a Buslink burner from Best Buy as a birthday present for a hacker bud not too long ago, and I went to Liteon's firmware page, downloaded their latest firmware, and flashed the drive (under DOS) before I giftwrapped it and sent it on. We paid 25 bucks for the drive after rebate.It was actually a relabeled Liteon LTR-32123S. Can the firmware be flashed from DOS Yep , and are updates available (or have been)? Yep I went to their site to look for myself, but got an 'under construction' message. Please check the following URL: http://www.liteontc.com.tw/ HTH, --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GPG and signing rpms.
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 00:38, James Sparenberg wrote: Ok, Went to this page. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 following the instructions I created the .rpmmacros file edited it as it outlined. then I did gpg --gen-key filled in the blanks ... generated a key. now when I do (as the same user) rpm --sign --clean -ba somerpm.spec it asks for the passphrase... I enter the same one I did during the key-gen phase.. and I get Pass phrase check failed Anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong? James No, but if we can attract Vincent Danen's attention I'm sure he can put you on the right track asap. :) --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CD Burner
On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 23:53, Joseph Loo wrote: I tried looking around for some information on burning CD's. I have a Plextor 12/10/32 scsi on a ultrawide scsi card. When ever I try to burn a cd on the burenr, I can only get reliable burns if the write speed is set as 3x on gnome toaster. If I try to do anything faster than that 4, 6, etc. the system loks like it it burning the CD correctly. If I try to read it, the system does not recognize it as a valid cd. I am using the standard defaults with gnome-toaster except for the speed. Also how do you make a copy of a cd with gnome toaster? Is this a Plextor Model Number PX-W1210S ? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CDRW
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 13:31, dfox wrote: Somebody scribbled about [expert] CDRW Hi all, after compiling K3b 0.9pre 2 after reinstalling KDE, I can now burn audio CD's on my second somewhat older CDRW.and using Gnome as the WM ! I'm not sure (since I don't have a cdrw) if there really is a difference in the model which would prevent k3b from doing what you want. But while we're on the subject, I'm in the market for a burner. It's about time ;). Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days? I'm likely going atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are 'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50. Dfox, Be real careful what you get here. There are nice combos out there, but when I was looking the good ones were hard to find. The real pick for me was a drive that would be able to do backup copies of copy protected games or software. If you can get a drive that does that then you've got a high quality drive. Liteon has a good track record for that, or Toshiba. I ended up getting a Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-R CDRW and it's been flawless for doing very demanding stuff. Stuff like SecureRom The definitive place to look for the best cdrw's is the CloneCD site. There they have a bunch of drives already tested by the cdrw hackers, so you can look through it all and pick what you want based on hard performance rather than heresay. For example consider the data that I researched before I bought my drive. http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/t.html#toshiba At the left of this page you will see indices's for just about all of the DVD or cdrw makers. Check out the Toshiba SD-R1202, you see several things. They are all vital. 1. Best Write Mode -- RAW-DAO 96 2. Best Read Mode -- RAW+96 3. Best Audio Read Mode -- RAW+96 4. Buffer-Underrun Technology -- Two Sheeps 5. Correct EFM- Encoding -- Two Sheeps Two sheeps is the highest rating for a characteristic. The read and write modes you see above are the best ones available; not all drives offer these modes, in fact the majority of the drives out there will not give you this level of flexibility. The bottom of the URL page is an interesting section, the legend, and here are a few tidbits: Best Write Mode RAW-DAO 96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is the best mode for CloneCD. It allows writing of all subchannel information, including Digital Signatures, CD-Text, ISRC, Catalog Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices and Crazy TOCs. RAW-DAO 94 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 94 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. Same as RAW-DAO 96, but 2-Bytes CRC of the Q Subchannel are generated by the writer. RAW-DAO 16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is the second best mode for CloneCD. It allows writing of most subchannel information, including most Digital Signatures, ISRC, Catalog Numbers, Gaps, Indices and Crazy TOCs. 2-Bytes CRC of the Q Subchannel are generated by the writer. RAW-SAO = 2352 bytes RAW Data. This is the third best mode for CloneCD. Feature support is drive dependend. ISRC, Catalog Numbers and Indices can be written. Usually CD-Text, CD+G and CD+MIDI can be written as well. Crazy TOCs and Digital Signatures can't be written in this mode. SAO = 2352 bytes error corrected Data. This is the worst mode for CloneCD. Writing of ISRC, Catalog Numbers, Indices and usually CD- Text is supported. - = Writing to this drive is not supported. CloneCD will not recognize the drive as a CD-Recorder. Correct EFM-Encoding Two Sheeps = Drive writes regular bit patterns correctly. One Sheep = Drive writes regular bit patterns almost correctly. Gray Sheep = Drive does not write regular bit patterns correctly or has not yet been tested. Use Emulate weak sectors. Best Data-Read Mode RAW+96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is the best mode for CloneCD. Reads all subchannel information like ISRC, Catalog Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices, Digital Signatures. RAW+16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is the second best mode for CloneCD. Reads most subchannel information like Gaps, Indices and most Digital Signatures. RAW = 2352 bytes RAW Data. No Subchannel Data can be read. - = Reading from this drive is not supported. Best Audio-Read Mode RAW+96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is the best mode for CloneCD. Reads all subchannel information like ISRC, Catalog Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices, Digital Signatures. RAW+16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is the second best mode for CloneCD. Reads most subchannel information like Gaps, Indices and most Digital Signatures. RAW = 2352 bytes RAW Data. No Subchannel Data can be read. - = Reading from this drive is not supported. The verbage above reads best modes for CloneCD; in actuality these hardware modes (that the Toshiba SD-R1202
[expert] CPU Temperature monitor
I need a utility that will tell me what is going on with the cpu temperature. Haven't been able to locate one. Any of you guys out there got any suggestions? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] CPU Temperature monitor
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 19:40, KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I need a utility that will tell me what is going on with the cpu temperature. Haven't been able to locate one. Any of you guys out there got any suggestions? urpmi lm_sensors It requires a bit of configuration and a 'front end' (there are many to choose from) but it works quite nicely. Do a google search for lm_sensors - -- KevinO THANK YOU!! I owe you big time Kev! --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interview: Gaël Duval on finances
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 15:32, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 09:48, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Source URL: http://mozillaquest.com/Linux_News03/MandrakeClustering_Story01.html Excerpt: Mandrake's Good Financial News MozillaQuest Magazine: Anything else within that which you call the business side? Gal Duval: Improving the Club, improving MandrakeStore: these things also help us to make more business everyday. Now the question. Any chance this will include a way to submit bugs for the release version! (and no I won't hold my breath waiting.) James Heh. :D It is good that we have Vincent. If not for his involvement I don't know where we would be at. He's like a one man development team. Like, hell...he IS a one man development team. :) --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interview: Gaël Duval on finances
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed Jul 02, 2003 at 12:32:07PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Now the question. Any chance this will include a way to submit bugs for the release version! (and no I won't hold my breath waiting.) Without holding your breath, or my own, I've setup a Proof of Concept for release bug tracking using Anthill and, to my utter annoyance, there has been very little response from those I set it up for. I'm thinking that at least one of them is on holidays, so it may be some time but trust me, I am just as eager as all of you to have this in place for 9.2. Well, heck, this is excellent news !! Thanks for taking your time to set this up, Vincent. This addresses a mount everest pile of concerns from longtime users in the form of a real and tangible solution to the problem. This framework will become very important as Mandrake makes inroads to desktop markets like HP and others. As the new users flood in, then they can be introduced to the automated production bug Anthill system as a way to report problems. This should bolster the stability and strength of the OS as it continues to get a wider base of reporting and feedback. Of course this means that your system should be adopted yesterday, since both James and I could probably have used it already. ;) Not to mention a slew of other peeps. So we need to push this. I'm wondering, does this version of Anthill have incorporated into it the other changes from the production use of it? --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel 2.4.21-0.18mdk xconfig - fixed
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 12:52, Vincent Danen wrote: On Thu Jul 03, 2003 at 09:39:09AM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I accidentally deleted the message so I had to do something. heheh... ok. Incidentally, the mailing list archives are great sources of information as well... =) But I think your creativity is great... =) LOL. :) Ya gotta love them archives. g --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Interview: Gaël Duval on finances
Source URL: http://mozillaquest.com/Linux_News03/MandrakeClustering_Story01.html Excerpt: Mandrake's Good Financial News After MandrakeSoft filed the equivalent of a U.S. Chapter 11 bankruptcy, it set about a restructuring designed to make MandrakeSoft a financially viable operation. We asked Gaël Duval about that in our e-mail discussions about the MandrakeClustering announcement. MozillaQuest Magazine: How are you coming along with finances and the bankruptcy? Gaël Duval: No big news, but we have nearly finished our internal restructuring, with a strong commitment to doing business. Gaël Duval: We should be out of the chapter-11 protection in about 8 months (it takes time!). MozillaQuest Magazine: I think lots of people will be glad to hear that you are coming along with the finances and bankruptcy. Gaël Duval: The situation is really better than before for two reasons: 1) MandrakeSoft reorganization is nearly finished and 2) we have focused much on the business side. MozillaQuest Magazine: This is good to hear also. MozillaQuest Magazine: By the business side, is that the Mandrake Corporate server and now the MandrakeClustering? Gaël Duval: They are part of our plans to extend the business! MozillaQuest Magazine: Is the book (The Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux) part of that too? Gaël Duval: It's part of the current plan as well. The good thing is that at the same time, it answers a strong demand from Mandrake users. MozillaQuest Magazine: Anything else within that which you call the business side? Gaël Duval: Improving the Club, improving MandrakeStore: these things also help us to make more business everyday. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Security or lack thereof
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no call for that unless some idiot user decides to give other people access to his/her home dir. This accessibility should be a no-no by default regardless of distro. This was done, IIRC, to allow people to have a ~/public_html/ directory and allow apache to enter the home directory so as to read ~/public_html/ (which would allow someone to do something like http://yoursite.com/~preador/). That's pretty much the reasoning for it IIRC. That being said, there is nothing stopping you from doing a higher security level or modifying the defaults. I also believe that a user can enter another user's home dir but will get a permission denied if they do an ls. Other permissions protect the files in the homedir. The homedir should have execute-only perms. But, taking a quick look, it seems that is not the case. H. That does kind of suck. msec used to do execute-only perms on homedirs... I wonder why it decided that read/execute perms was an ok thing to do. I'll see if I can't find out. Yes, this does sound serious. Haven't run into difficulties yet, but I would like to fix this on my system here when you find out what's going on. You da man, Vincent! :) --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Security or lack thereof
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: homedirs... I wonder why it decided that read/execute perms was an ok thing to do. My mistake. I had msec level 2 on my workstation which is why it was read/execute perms. Changing to level 3 gives back the appropriate homedir perms. This sounds alot like that root window situation of mine recently. ;) g --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Newsflash: Gentoo has forked.
Gentoo has been one of MDK's greatest competitors so far, maintaining fourth place at Distrowatch.com right behind Red Hat. Mandrake of course has almost consistently maintained it's first place position there. I find it interesting that so far we in the Mandrake world have avoided forking, thus maintaining our strength in concentrated form. Even though there are disagreements and disputes. It shows the strength of the Mandrake community. Mandrakians seem to be strong in that they are able to put up with disagreements and flaws without getting totally annoyed and just leavi?g. I think this is because mainly that we have voices in the form of votes and the mailing lists. As well as the forums. So there is the impression that everyone is helping to some degree. http://www.zynot.org/info/faq.html --LX __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernels updates !!??
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 23:19, Vincent Danen wrote: Well, trust me, I was not very pleased with the results of my queries. Of course, I don't have the time or skills to fix the installkernel script myself. If someone out there is feeling bored... =) You're right though Vincent - it's been doing it over a number of releases. You'll find a few posts from me in the archives on it. Yup. And it's always been a nuisance. In my mind, the revisioned entry should be in there from the first install... do the symlink bit, but throw in a 2421-13 entry as well (or whatever). But, when I mentioned that, I was told it looked too ugly. Can't win for losing. Hey, don't worry. After all, you've still got me to kick around. ;D --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Good news: System Crashes stopped
While I was looking for a way to speed the system up here (it had slowed to a crawl, if you had Evo, Opera, and several Eterms open...which I do all the time) I decided to reduce the number of Enlightenment desktops I had open, to gain some desktop speed. I took the system down to two from four. Since that time (it's been about a week and a half) the crashes have virtually stopped. Because I'm seeing these results, I tend to believe that the problems were related to memory and X. Of course the situation is so complex I can only intuit the real problem, but that is what it looks like. l8r, --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] WineX 3.1 is out..and Morrowind works!!
The red letter date has arrived! Transgaming released a new version of WineX, and believe it or not, they are claiming that Morrowind is now working!! Man, I can't wait to try it on this system. Hot diggity dog. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] WineX 3.1 is out..and Morrowind works!!
The red letter date has arrived! Transgaming released a new version of WineX, and believe it or not, they are claiming that Morrowind is now working!! Man, I can't wait to try it on this system. Hot diggity dog. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sympa server outage confirmation
Here's an explanation from the latest Mandrake newsletter giving some more information on the downed servers. - If you encountered troubles when ordering this product on MandrakeStore yesteday (06/18), please process it again. Due to a powerfailure the plateform was not reachable during several hours. Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you for your understanding, Mandrake Online Team --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] disk check
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 14:55, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 07:22, Brian Parish wrote: On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 00:01, David Hlacik wrote: how can i check disk partition in fat32 for errors? and how can i repair it. David Hlacik David, I presume that you have a fat32 partition because you have W$ on the machine. So, the short answer would be scandisk or chkdsk under W$, there being no fsck.vfat AFAIK. If you don't have W$, then I can only guess that using fat32 is a result of severe personality problems and refuse to talk to you any more ;-) Brian I can think of a 3rd scenario, He is using a Linux bootable CD to repair hosed winders installs. (usually easier than trying to do it under winders.) James I've done that and won the t-shirt and cap. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] irc client
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 04:13, elPunishar wrote: DCC and everything ? On Wednesday 18 Jun 2003 15:12, Steven Broos wrote: If you are familiar with mIRC, then you'll like xchat. I went from mIRC to xchat too. Try it. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Found my Martians
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 07:17, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:55:41 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - another example of seeing the reply to a message that never came through - I never got Sridhar's. Are we all having this problem? Anne Hmmm... too bad we don't have access to the list servers... missing posts and duplicated posts -- gotta wonder if one of the servers has a glitch where it forwards the wrong msg at times... The servers went down sometime around 3:18AM 06/18 and didn't get back up until about 45 minutes ago. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Linus Torvalds leaves Transmeta
OSDL scores bigtime. --- Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/31245.html Torvalds leaves Transmeta By Tony Smith Posted: 17/06/2003 at 10:47 GMT Linux creator Linus Torvalds is to quit Transmeta after six years to work full time on the open source operating system's kernel. In an email posted on the Linux Kernel Mailing List, Torvalds announces the long-awaited 2.5.72 kernel release. But tucked down toward the bottom, he says: The other big news - well, for me personally, anyway - is that I've decided to take a leave-of-absence after six+ years at Transmeta to actually work full-time on the kernel. To be fair, it seems that's largely what he's been doing at Transmeta. The chip company always said, when his appointment was announced back in early 1998, that he would be granted time to continue his work on the kernel. Indeed, the man himself admits that Transmeta has always been very good at letting me spend even an inordinate amount of time on Linux and I do not expect a huge amount of change as a result, testament to just how freely Transmeta has let me do Linux work. As a result, I've been feeling a little guilty about how little 'real work' I've been doing lately, Linus admits. Is he being political? Did he jump or was he pushed? Linus is a pretty self-effacing fellow, and his BS quotient seems pretty low, so it's worth taking the email at face value. So from 1 July, Linus will be working for the non-profits Open Source Development Lab, whose own sponsors are listed here. Larry Augustin, CEO of VA Software, an OSDL sponsor, said:I'm very pleased that we were able to create a place where Linus will be able to work full time on the kernel. Oddly enough, we looked at the ODSL situations vacant column but there was no sign of a 'Full-time Open Source Deity, must be non-smoker' listed among the Wanted ads. Clearly the vacancy has been filled... Whatever, Linus is finally being paid to do what he loves doing most, and you can't fault him for that. ® --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Suggestions to help Minimize List Email Traffic
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 10:17, Brian Parish wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 23:43, Tru64 User wrote: Hi All, The list I am refering to is for tru64 Unix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IMHO, that list serves much better purpose than this one. Searching their archives, its almost 100% hit on subjects that have been discussed before. And, better yet, one always goes for the SUMMARY/Resolution. Isnt that what we all want? Or is this a Gossip corner?? For a Gossip corner, we are OKbut for true learning and solving of problems, we need solutions! I think we get the idea, but you need to accept that the people here on this list like the way it is. I haven't read all the messages in this thread, but those I've seen were pretty negative to the idea. It may be tough to find relevant hits in the archives sometimes, but it's damn easy to get help when you need it here (or at least sympathy ;-) Gossip corner forever! Brian Heh. ;) --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Extracting a URL from a Java applet
The scenario is that I would like to pass a url to mplayer from a Javascript applet, so I can play a WMA soundstream. Manually; like with copy and paste, straight to the command line. However it's like pulling eyeteeth to get a source URL out of a java applet. Does anybody have a way to do this? Seems like Miark posted a similar solution a while back using Lynx, but I can't remember if that was relevant or not. Any help would be nice. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:35 am, stefmit wrote: Very weird situation - didn't pay much attention to it, until now, when - due to some immediate needs to resolve some issues via email - it seems to go beyond a simple nuisance level: I can highlight (thus copy) anything from any window, and then paste by mid-click-ing (does this sound winblowz-like, or what ? ;( ), except from a terminal window (eterm, to be more specific) to kmail, where I need to go through nedit, for example (i.e. I highlight what I need copied from eterm -- paste into nedit -- highlight in nedit -- paste into kmail). Winmgr used: IceWM. Has anybody experienced this? My hope is to upgrade IceWM, to see if this changes behavior ... reason for another email of mine, in regards to how to do this clean for the urpmi database... TIA, Stef Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. I'd like to add something to this, if I may. During the 9.1 development cycle, I took the time to download the cooker edition of 9.1 and was testing it in a work environment. I found the problem you gentlemen are discussing above and then went to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com where I posted a bugreport to Bugzilla concerning it. It was not addressed, and went unfixed. So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wanted to try wine
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 12:37, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 16:22, Jason Guidry wrote: Piero Piutti wrote: Do you know if the cvs works fine as well? I'm working on it, I'll report back on how it goes Just tried Transgaming with a couple of kid games, no success. They both install okay, but neither runs. Arthur's Wilderness Adventure Rescue Heroes Hurricane Havoc. Will take this to the Transgaming list of course, but thought I'd bring it up in light of recent threads :-) What Transgaming list? I thought there were only forums on the Transgaming site. Is there a list? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 18:31, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 06:48, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. I'd like to add something to this, if I may. During the 9.1 development cycle, I took the time to download the cooker edition of 9.1 and was testing it in a work environment. I found the problem you gentlemen are discussing above and then went to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com where I posted a bugreport to Bugzilla concerning it. It was not addressed, and went unfixed. So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX And a lot your not saying here that you did (righteously) say then Ice in 9.1 is IMHO hosed. I moved back to the 9.0 rpms and it all began to work right. Then put ICE into the skiplist for urpmi. I had my own bugs but they also got ignored *sigh* BUT the 9.0 rpms work just fine on 9.1 if anyone is interested. James Thanks alot for the nod, James! It's appreciated. Sometimes I wonder whether the content is being read or not, and it's times like this that I feel it was worth the effort to put into email. I think we both love the distro, but then we both have been around long enough to realize that if there are not some corrections made (by virtue of someone talking about the less than pleasant things) then we will find ourselves inside the event horizon of the black hole. Then it will be too late. Now is the time to be applying the thrusters to get some altitude. Only thing is you and I both have been slapping the throttle to no avail; I'm starting to think that there's something wrong with the hydraulics. And btw, who cut the wires to the warning lights, James? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 00:26, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Okay, a bit of an update. I deleted the slocate.db.tmp file in /var/lib/slocate, and reran updatedb. Crash - spont. reboot. I did a urpme slocate, then a urpmi slocate. Reran updatedb. Crash - spont. reboot. I turned DMA off to /dev/hda, then reran updatedb. Crash -spont. reboot. sigh Thank goodness for jounaling FSs! Let me thank everyone who's tried to help so far. I guess I ought to mention that under v9.0 of Mandrake, this same hardware setup did not have this problem at all. DL, That means that you've troubleshot the problem down to either a bad package, a configuration problem, or a compatibility issue. If the hardware was pristine on a previous distro, that basically means you've already run a battery of tests on it and it passed. Assuming that the use of the hardware was over a sufficiently long time; say at least over a month or two. g Seems like I remember some kind of difficulty with updatedb and the /proc directory; but that was a looong time ago and the specifics elude me. The logic of this says to me that if your system is installed off the cd's just like everybody else's is, then you should be getting the results that everyone else is getting. Since we know your hardware is pristine, and since you are NOT getting the results you should be, that leans me towards some kind of compatibility problem. Which possibly can be resolved by tweaking the configuration in some way. Have you checked the system logs for clues? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 14:15, Lorne wrote: Would it be out of the question to load 9.0 on it again fresh and see if the problem goes away? Even if you put it on another hard drive. Although it would be better to use the same HD if possible. I've been watching the thread and even though it acts like hardware, some folks have certainly come up with very good arguments why it may be some sort of package issue. This is an excellent idea. It is a good way to verify without question wether this is a hardware issue or a package/compatibility/config issue. I've done this myself in the past. If you have a spare partition, I would definitely try Lorne's suggestion. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WMAs under Linux?
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 02:32, Rob Blomquist wrote: With the proliferation of streaming WMAs under Linux, I am wondering if there are any programs to play these, or plugins that are in development for XMMS? Rob You may not believe this but right now I'm listening to a Rush Limbaugh WMA audio stream over broadband with mplayer. The way I do it, you have to have the URL to the WMA stream. Sometimes the Windows media links won't let you have that; but there may be a plugin for the browsers that would get by that problem; I've never tried it tho. The mplayer version I've got here is the one that ships with 9.1, with no modifications or even the windows dll codecs installed. Here's an example command line for mplayer. The following is actually all one line: mplayer -cache 1024 mms://g.vm.akamaistream.net/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/shows/RUSHLIMBWIN20036060.WMA These days there exist annoying java scripts that do alot to hide the real url's of the streams. I know there's a way to extract the url information from the active java script, I just haven't ever had to do that so far because most of the sites I go to don't have that asinine stuff. But still it would be nice to have a method to extract the url info no matter what. Seems like Miark had something like that a while back...got to ask him about that. HTH, and write back if you have further questions. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mail formats revisited
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 15:23, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 06 Jun 2003 8:14 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Freitag, 6. Juni 2003 21:04 schrieb Anne Wilson: My dally with evo made me aware that I had a mixture of maildir and mbox for my mail - obviously not ideal - so I set out to convert to one. I chose mbox, because it is transparent. I know that if I could not use kmail I can open one of my archive folders in a text editor and do a search to find anything I need. I like the comfort factor that gives me. I have heard it said, though, that mbox if bad, and maildir is good. Why? Are there any overriding reasons for going that way? Anne Hmm at least your argument for mbox isn't really valid. Maildir is too plain text and directories. But searching 10,000 archived messages individually for a particular phrase is not a good idea. One large file with the messages concatenated is much easier, if slow. Don't know which one is better. Maybe this is interesting for you (not really;)) http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/#theend Having read that, I think it's a matter of 'you pays your money and you takes your choice' - which is fine by me. There doesn't seem to be any strong reason to override personal preference. Thanks, Steffen Anne Mbox is considered an inferior format because in the past it has resulted in the loss of much mail. Potentially if the file borks you lose the whole load. Maildir, on the other hand (as others have already stated) stores the text in files which all have naming conventions that are determined by standardized procedures stored in an RFC somewhere. The advantage to this is that if there is damage to any of the files, you might lose a few emails but you won't nuke the whole storehouse. The reasons the different directories exist (cur, tmp, and new) is a further refinement of the safety process built into the maildir procedures, in that when mail is being received, it is granted a temporary position in the tmp spot and then moved to the new directory after it is safely written. This lowers the possibility that inodes in any other vital directories (such as where the main email storage is) won't get borked during the file creation process if something goes wrong. Only after the email has been totally written and created (i.e. stabilized) is it moved to it's final position in new. The new directory loses it's email as soon as a MUA program (such as Evolution) reads the mail. Evo knows to look in new for new email, and as soon as it does the mail is planted in cur for categorization or retrieval. One thing that kind of bothers me is that Dan Bernstein, the author of Qmail, happens to be the guy that came up with the entire Maildir scheme, and although his concept has been widely used, few people know who's genius it was that originated it. In other words it was originally a qmail function and has since been ripped for use in other MTA programs (because of it's popularity), offtimes without the recognition that Dan Bernstein (DJB) designed it. What you have to realize is that with mbox, every time you get email, every single message is basically an append to one single large file, the file that contains your email. That's a lot of chances for something to go wrong. Sooner or later the law of averages is going to catch up with somebody. (and it already has) One example I can think of is if you are receiving email while the power goes out. An mbox being written to is in an indeterminate state. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mail formats revisited
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 05:03, Anne Wilson wrote: Thanks for that explanation, Lyvim. It's given me a lot to think about. The thing that put me off maildir was that when I tried to import from KMail into Evo it wouldn't read the mail. I tried both reading methods in the import, but it wouldn't read a single file. This made me feel that it was almost as bad as the proprietary formats found elsewhere. Have you any thoughts on that? Anne I have done it, but there are several qualifications for doing this. First, if you are transporting from Kmail to Evo like you are, Kmail should be made to put ALL subfolders back into the inbox; this way you can snag or convert everything at once since categorized or filtered email will not be seen(because it is in other folders). Evo filters can be applied later to the whole imported load. Second, you tell Kmail to convert to Maildir format. This will cause Kmail to create the new, cur, and tmp dirs and then move each message seperately to an appropriate filename within the ~/Mail/inbox/cur directory. Third, you copy the files in the newly converted Kmail inbox (Which for some wierd reason seems to be ~/Mail instead of ~/Maildir for maildir mail) over to the Evo Maildir/new dir. With Evo already in Maildir format, Evo should have a configuration for receiving mail that says /home/you/Maildir for it's folder configuration. With Evo in that mode, when you look at the folder tree (within Evo), you will see a tree that starts with your email name, and a dot (.) tree underneath it. That dot is actually the ~/Maildir/cur directory. Now all you do at this point is to go to the Kmail main inbox dir ( ~/Mail/inbox/cur ) and then copy everything over to the Evo Maildir directory for incoming mail. Which is ~/Maildir/new. So cp -v ~/Mail/inbox/cur/* ~/Maildir/new After that, go back to Evo and click on another folder in the tree somewhere, and Evo will see the ~/Maildir/new directory and then create an index of sorts for all the new mail, then it will be moved over to the ~/Maildir/cur directory, where you can then apply the Evo filters you have set up. How's that? ;) HTH.. --LX P.S. One more thing. Any mail that's filed under your Evo dot directory will be in Maildir format. Any mail that's filed in the Evo main tree above that will be in mbox format, *no matter what method* you've chosen under the Mail Accounts settings. So in order to keep all your mail in Maildir format, your custom categorization folders need to be created *under the dot directory* in the Evo tree. -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Gone for a week
Peeps, I'll be off the lists for about 8 days. Thought I'd try to make some people happy. ;) We're going out of state on vacation. I know it will be very hard for you guys to do without me, but please do your best. g l8r, --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] chmod question
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 23:00, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 03:08, charlie wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 04:30 am, Michael Noble sent this :- P.S. In the future, please consider asking this sort of question on the newbie list (or, better yet, on a generic linux/unix list.) YCITMIGA... Come on this list is for people to learn and ask questions. Mike I too found the above a strange request, I thought it was a good, applies to the topic, question, and it might be differently done in Mandrake than in some other distro. Charlie Personally I don't see how this one could have been a newbie question. Most newbies wouldn't even know permissions exist. Let alone that they have an affect on anything. Remember in windows the concept of ownership isn't really there. Let's leave elitism to the cooker list and get on with it. James Well spoken, James! --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
