Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:21:39 -0800 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searchedth archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres notenough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some partsare left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK I sit corrected... *grin* Thanks on that as well. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r SOLVED
GREAT! I've got a collection of TDK coasters myself. Strangely enough I've had good luck with a brand called sale (actuall GQ disks) grin. James On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:25:03 -0500 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: To all that responded thanks The problem was brand of disk With TDK disks wouldnot fit with Memorex I was able to burn. I have 9,0beta installed now happily using it. Jerry White Todd Franklin wrote: I have an Acer 12x8x32 burner and have had no problems burning the iso images with eroaster. Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r [OT]
On Tuesday 13 August 2002 12:27 am, Felix Miata wrote: civileme wrote: 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 700 Mb is 700*10^6=700,000,000 bits. MB is 10^6 bytes. MiB is 2^20 bytes. 80 min CD's labeled 700 MB are mislabeled and actually hold 700 MiB, 734,003,200 bytes. http://www.cofc.edu/~frysingj/binprefixes.html http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html If we were like Mickey Mouse and had three fingers and one thumb on each hand, this problem wouldn't exist. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Have you tried plain old command line cdrecord? Worked for me. I hear some burners just won't shoehorn so well. Mine is Yamaha 8824S. -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
I have an Acer 12x8x32 burner and have had no problems burning the iso images with eroaster. Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:13, jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 What sort of drive do you have? I used to have a HP drive and found out that they did not write 700Mb CDR's... Just a thought! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White JerryI forwarded your incident #29035 from the mandrakeexpert, to the cooker list. below is a reply to you on that list from Daouda LO. -- Alan quoted text below Alan Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mandrakeexpert incident 29035 forwarded to cooker. jerryw813 : 11/08 12:00 : Incident created the 9.2beta iso's 1 and2 are to big to fit on a 700 meg cr-r disk what do i do? Daouda LO wrote: Jerry, 1kb = 1024 bytes which is slightly bigger than 1000 bytes 698 Mb (size of iso) = 698 * 1024*1024 = 731906048 bytes and it easily fit in a 700 Mb cr-r. -end quoted text- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
Gcombust seem to default to 74 min 650 MB. Once you have gcombust open go to the Data Files section and on the left side panel set the size to 80 min 703 MB. Larry jerry white wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FWIW, I think a good argument cxan be made that Mandrake's decision to require larger CDs is a bit of a false economy. It is bound to cause some non-negligible percentage of people problems (as we have already seen). It isn't obvious (to me, anyway) what would be the real difficulty in supplying four ordinary-sized ISO images instead. It would be interesting to hear from a Mandrake person what the rationale for the change might be. Doc PS I am doubtless in a substantial minority of readers of this list, but the only machines to which I have access and which can write CDs all run only Windows and cannot write the larger discs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: Key obtainable from servers: ID 0x362912B8 iQA/AwUBPVfnVGnXrLw2KRK4EQLfIgCeIFhrYMQiZz341vaJle3wlo7a/9MAoLeW yF3Y0yQtUDZM/o+2vzSi6yPh =QKYW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r SOLVED
To all that responded thanks The problem was brand of disk With TDK disks wouldnot fit with Memorex I was able to burn. I have 9,0beta installed now happily using it. Jerry White Todd Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">I have an Acer 12x8x32 burner and have had no problems burning the iso images with eroaster. Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, jerry white uttered these words of wisdom: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Actually, I believe that you can fit something like 702MB on a 700MB disk and if you have a recent version of something like gcombust, it is able to recognize 700+ cd-r's. It's actually pretty straight forward. Or as it's already been mentioned, just use the commandline cdrecord and it will do the same thing. /mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com AOL for Dummies is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 They fit on my CDs, try TAO with no pregap. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
I had no problems with Gnome-Toatser on a LiteOn 32x12x40. Everything went swimmingly. On Monday 12 August 2002 02:21 pm, civileme wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r SOLVED
On Monday August 12 2002 01:25 pm, jerry white wrote: To all that responded thanks The problem was brand of disk With TDK disks wouldnot fit with Memorex I was able to burn. I have 9,0beta installed now happily using it. 'Brand' is a misnomer when it comes to cdr's. They're rarely if ever are made by the brand they're sold under. Most are, CMC Magnetics, Ritek, or Taiyo Yuden. Ty-U's are often the best. Short of shoppin brands, greener is usually better'r, since you can't go by brands till you see the ATIP info from those you already bought. I've got half way thru a 50 spindle only to find out the cdr's were actually from two different manufacturers. IIRC it was a TDK spindle. Started out with T-U's (good stuff), rest of the spindle was Ritek (a little better than CMC, but still sort'a disappointing). As to 'read-ability', cdr media is often the weakest link, but keep in mind that cd-rw drives and cdroms use a slightly different laser wave length. Many burned CD's that a cdrom drive, specially one that's been in use for some time and the axle's gettin some wear/wobble in it, or it advertises 32x or above and sounds like a lawn mower engine spinn'n up, probly won't be very good at reading cdr's. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
D. R. Evans wrote: PS I am doubtless in a substantial minority of readers of this list, but the only machines to which I have access and which can write CDs all run only Windows and cannot write the larger discs. Well, perhaps the machines you are using can't write disks larger than 650 MB, but that is not a limitation of Windows. I use Easy Cd Creator (like version 3.5 b or c) on Win95 and can burn 700 MB no problem (which, as others on the thread have pointed out) can actually be 703 MB. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
civileme wrote: 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 700 Mb is 700*10^6=700,000,000 bits. MB is 10^6 bytes. MiB is 2^20 bytes. 80 min CD's labeled 700 MB are mislabeled and actually hold 700 MiB, 734,003,200 bytes. http://www.cofc.edu/~frysingj/binprefixes.html http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
