Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
What are you trying to do? If you are trying to just send and receive mail then KDE Kmail or Netscape Messenger are sufficient and they can talk directly to your ISP/company's mail server. If you want to send mail internally on your Linux box - not between systems - then there is no configuration you need to do. If you are trying to set up a mail server then I would see some of the HOW-TOs on the linuxdoc.org site. - Original Message - From: "Ritesh Ahya" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! Well, in mandrake 7.2 postfix will be installed by default, but i have never ever found yet that, how to configure Post fix, nor from Gui nor from console mode. but my sir, said Post fix is working nicely by default in LMK 7.2, you can use K mail with that and working fine ? do you want to use post fix for stand alone application ? Next, if you want to use send mail yet ? then you should installed it, but remove package for post fix first, the install Send mail, you would be able to configure send mail from Drake Conf. you can use fetch mail with send mail too. or just Kmail. please do tell me if you find anything, to cnofigure post fix from anywhere. regards, Ritesh.
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
Lars thanks for your information, actually i was trying to answer someone, but the information you gave me was good. and it's a bit new for me. o.k. let me ask you something ? 1) Agreed, K mail works fine with stand alone, applications. is that true ? Do you agree, i think yes ? 2) Second, I want all the users on the single Linux box, to receive and send mail. what can i offer them ? remember, a single Linux mandarke 7.2 box with no, network. Like a family computer ? Tell me what should i do ? 3)Suppose, in a office of staff 10 in 10 networked computers. and What would i have to do ? or what would i use ? to configure mail server ? which is the best ? send mail ? or postfix ? what will i need to do ? please, reply me, it is important for me, I am new bie as well as working in expert lists too. Have been working with Linux for six months. I have tried and installed all the Linux, as follows, Red Hat 6.1, Red Hat 7.0, Slack ware, Corel Linux, Caldera, Tried Debian, but coulnd't make it work on my computer. Turbo Linux too. yeah, i installed SUSE too. Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2 both, Recently got Upgrade cd from mandrake too. But finally, the winner i found is mandrake, it is really great. I liked, Mandrake 7.2 very much Thanx, to Manrake cookers. Ritesh Ahya - Original Message - From: "Lars Nordin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! What are you trying to do? If you are trying to just send and receive mail then KDE Kmail or Netscape Messenger are sufficient and they can talk directly to your ISP/company's mail server. If you want to send mail internally on your Linux box - not between systems - then there is no configuration you need to do. If you are trying to set up a mail server then I would see some of the HOW-TOs on the linuxdoc.org site. - Original Message - From: "Ritesh Ahya" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! Well, in mandrake 7.2 postfix will be installed by default, but i have never ever found yet that, how to configure Post fix, nor from Gui nor from console mode. but my sir, said Post fix is working nicely by default in LMK 7.2, you can use K mail with that and working fine ? do you want to use post fix for stand alone application ? Next, if you want to use send mail yet ? then you should installed it, but remove package for post fix first, the install Send mail, you would be able to configure send mail from Drake Conf. you can use fetch mail with send mail too. or just Kmail. please do tell me if you find anything, to cnofigure post fix from anywhere. regards, Ritesh.
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
- Original Message - From: "Ritesh Ahya" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! Lars thanks for your information, actually i was trying to answer someone, but the information you gave me was good. and it's a bit new for me. o.k. let me ask you something ? 1) Agreed, K mail works fine with stand alone, applications. is that true ? Do you agree, i think yes ? Yes, Kmail functions just like MS Outlook Express - it is a POP client, and SMTP forwarder. 2) Second, I want all the users on the single Linux box, to receive and send mail. what can i offer them ? remember, a single Linux mandarke 7.2 box with no, network. Like a family computer ? Tell me what should i do ? I need a more info here. If you are saying that you have a single Linux system that you use to connect to your ISP that multiple people use and each one of them has their own mailbox with the ISP then I would give them multiple accounts on the system (or just have multiple account in Kmail) and have each person access their mailbox on the ISP. 3)Suppose, in a office of staff 10 in 10 networked computers. and What would i have to do ? or what would i use ? to configure mail server ? which is the best ? send mail ? or postfix ? what will i need to do ? First, you will need to read up on mail serving - see the linuxdoc.org HowTo's and get some books on sendmail/postfix and linux administration since you need to understand the basic infrastructure to have mail service working - networking (ethernet but more so IP networking), IP routing, DNS name resolution. That said if you want e-mail with OUT being able to send messages across the Internet then all you have to do is give users accounts on the Linux and configure Outlook Express/Eudora/Netscape/etc. to use that Linux server as the SMTP and POP servers. (Both server programs should be installed and enabled by default - I think). If you want to be able to send and recieve mail across the Internet then I would talk to an ISP first and see how much it would cost for them to provide your mail server instead of you trying to maintain it yourself.
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
** Reply to message from Lars Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:12:44 -0500 Linux server as the SMTP and POP servers. (Both server programs should be installed and enabled by default - I think) True in a "Server" install. imap is also there and may be of more use in an office environment. imap leaves all mail on the server and only downloads copies to the client. When a client deletes a message on the mail application, the message is then purged (either manually or automatically) from the server. This allows you to easily backup the user's mail and ensure their doing something stupid to hose their machine does not delete all of their mail. John LeMay Jr. Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC, LLC. [tag] How do I set my LaserPrinter to "Stun"?!
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
I hvae tried yet send mail with fetchmail and kamial or pine ? I have never get anything on postfix that how can i configure it ? would you please tell me ? i have heard Post Fix is better or the best mail server. Do you konw how to configure Post fix ? or do you know any tool that you can configure it ? I have visited www.postfix.org and didn't find anything that can help me to configure the postfix. if you know please do tell me. waiting for your reply. Ritesh - Original Message - From: "Mike MacCana" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! "Ing. Israel Garcia Alvarez" wrote: Hi: I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. Sendmail: Is Sendmail Postfix: Is natively sendmail compatible Sendmail: Runs as root all the time when it doesn't need to Postfix: Runs as root to bind to port 25 and as other users to do its thing Sendmail: Support mbox files. When a single message is corruped, the whole mbox can die Postfix: Supports maildirs, though this works best with ReiserFS 9Ext2 runs out of inodes) Sendmail: Has legacy crap in it like UUCP Postfix: Doesn't Sendmail: Is configured though a conf file so large it is typically editeed with a macro language Postfix: Has a small and well commented configuration file Sendmail: Wasn't written by Weitse Venema, who is God. Postfix: was. Mike Mike Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, how secure, how easy to configurate is. Waiting for your answers. My best regards Israel Garcia Alvarez LinuxUser #196178 Administrador-Red Capiro Villa Clara http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel -- -- Mike MacCana Support Consultant C Y B E R S O U R C E Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000 Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
Well, in mandrake 7.2 postfix will be installed by default, but i have never ever found yet that, how to configure Post fix, nor from Gui nor from console mode. but my sir, said Post fix is working nicely by default in LMK 7.2, you can use K mail with that and working fine ? do you want to use post fix for stand alone application ? Next, if you want to use send mail yet ? then you should installed it, but remove package for post fix first, the install Send mail, you would be able to configure send mail from Drake Conf. you can use fetch mail with send mail too. or just Kmail. please do tell me if you find anything, to cnofigure post fix from anywhere. regards, Ritesh. - Original Message - From: "Larry Blodgett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! Simple: Postfix is much more secure. Hi: I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, how secure, how easy to configurate is. Waiting for your answers. My best regards Israel Garcia Alvarez LinuxUser #196178 Administrador-Red Capiro Villa Clara http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel -- Larry Blodgett Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux, WinNT, MS-DOS - also known as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly ---"Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither." -B. Franklin ---"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." -Marcus Radich 1999
RE: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
I had a look at postfix, but I to have always used Sendmail in the past,, I uninstalled postfix and installed sendmail, decided it was better to stick with what I knew as I couldn't see any performance differences between the two. (my server sends and receives over 500 emails in an average day,, and that is just me, sendmail is also doing the mail for 5 other domains..) and it has always been flawless. One thing though, if you have 7.2 and you want to use sendmail, install the newest rpm's (I actually installed the cooker sendmail rpms, and although I had to update some other stuff. it has been flawless ever since.) stick with what you know is my advice, unless you have a reason to chose the other, and since you are asking, I am assuming that you don't have any reason to use postfix.. still that is just my reasoning. Frank Hauptle / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ Gshop Network Payment Solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ing. Israel Garcia Alvarez Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2001 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail! Hi: I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, how secure, how easy to configurate is. Waiting for your answers. My best regards Israel Garcia Alvarez LinuxUser #196178 Administrador-Red Capiro Villa Clara http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
Simple: Postfix is much more secure. Hi: I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, how secure, how easy to configurate is. Waiting for your answers. My best regards Israel Garcia Alvarez LinuxUser #196178 Administrador-Red Capiro Villa Clara http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel -- Larry Blodgett Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux, WinNT, MS-DOS - also known as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly ---"Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither." -B. Franklin ---"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." -Marcus Radich 1999
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
"Ing. Israel Garcia Alvarez" wrote: Hi: I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. Sendmail: Is Sendmail Postfix: Is natively sendmail compatible Sendmail: Runs as root all the time when it doesn't need to Postfix: Runs as root to bind to port 25 and as other users to do its thing Sendmail: Support mbox files. When a single message is corruped, the whole mbox can die Postfix: Supports maildirs, though this works best with ReiserFS 9Ext2 runs out of inodes) Sendmail: Has legacy crap in it like UUCP Postfix: Doesn't Sendmail: Is configured though a conf file so large it is typically editeed with a macro language Postfix: Has a small and well commented configuration file Sendmail: Wasn't written by Weitse Venema, who is God. Postfix: was. Mike Mike Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, how secure, how easy to configurate is. Waiting for your answers. My best regards Israel Garcia Alvarez LinuxUser #196178 Administrador-Red Capiro Villa Clara http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel -- -- Mike MacCana Support Consultant C Y B E R S O U R C E Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000 Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
Re: [expert] Postfix vs Sendmail!
IIGA I would like to know the opinion of you about Postfix and Sendmail as MTA. IIGA Why?, because I have always used Sendmail and now I got a Mandrake 7.2 IIGA which has Postfix. I would like your opinion between them about how fast, IIGA how secure, how easy to configurate is. check this : http://www.securityportal.com/closet/closet19990915.html http://www.securityportal.com/closet/closet20001122.html IIGA http://www.vcl.sld.cu/~israel -- Best regards, Pipit
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
You can use a standard ISP mailbox with fetchmail (no need for a domain name, though they can even get your domain name's mail sent to a single mailbox) - which means your mail will always be delivered with no errors. There is a mail server (MTA) made for offline use, see masqmail at http://freshmeat.net. I prefer postfix. Secure and easy to set up. BTW. Someone here implied postfix does not store new mail in /var/spool/mail/username - which is incorrect. Our mail server (mdk 7.1 w/ postfix) does that ! Buchan Jarabe de Palo wrote: Ok, this is probably a dumb question for all you Experts, but I will ask anyway. Ok I want to send and recieve mail diectly from my linux box. Do I need a domain name registered? And which proggy is easier for the first time user? I will need about 10 accounts. And another thing my computer is not always connected to the net so I know that would effect something. The main reason I need this is for a database i am creating. Its for my family to enter in their genealogy information for me to edit and setup into a family tree and the like. So my website would only need to be up for a little while, would not have to be always on cause i could tell every one when they need to enter in the info etc. Ok enough of that, my main question is regarding email, do I need a domain name registered to send and receive email directly from my linux box? The domain I want to use is not registered as of yet. thanx Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- |--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone +27824722231 email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za South Africas first satellite:http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za Control Models http://www.control.co.za |Registered Linux User #182071-| Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
actually Larry I'm not so sure about that. Not 100% positive that you're correct and I'm wrong about this either. But I thought about this when I first setup Sendmail and the account with dyndns.org. So, I sent myself a test message from work one day knowing full well that I wouldn't be home for another 4 hours or so to connect my machine and be able to receive any mail. Mark, I don't think there is a "right" and "wrong" here. Whether inbound mail will continue to reside on the source server will depend on how that server is set up. Most will bounce mail after some period of time. Some servers get mighty unhappy when they start receiving mail that causes them trouble. What those time lags are is certainly up to the server. Have you never had a msg bounced back to you after some period of time as undeliverable? Have you never received a courtesy msg from a server that's been unable to connect to a target but they're continuing to try? These are things that occur because of what I'm talking about. However, about 5 minutes after I connected to my ISP I received the message that I had sent to myself earlier in the day. I don't know if the Then your server continued to send that message for a few hours. I think the question here is how long would it do that before it concluded the msg was undeliverable and bounced it back to the author as undeliverable? message sat at the other server and then when ddclient connected with dyndns.org the message was then relayed to my machine or not. I don't as If this is where all your mail is buffered it should be a simple matter to ask them what their bounce delay is. I don't think you'd want a network system that didn't time out on this as you'd have no confidence that any of your mail ever got to the people you were sending them to. They could be just sitting on servers somewhere trying to be sent forever. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
I don't know, postfix tends to have fewer security issues. I use postfix and I also set it up with webmin. After running nessus against sendmail vs postfix, I'll take postfix. I still don't trust the security of sendmail. praedor On Sunday 03 December 2000 07:40 pm, you wrote: Postfix is ok...but Sendmail is much more robust and using an interface like Webmin in Mandrake setting it up and configuring it is a breeze. Actually, if you're installing it with rpm's there isn't any real configuration to speak of. [...] Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
No you don't need a static IP although it is preferable. I run everything dynamic at home. Only problem is that ISPs like AOL won't accept E-mail from dynamically assigned IP addresses to their relay servers due to Spam protection. BTW I prefer postfix. Nobody has mentioned that people get mighty unhappy when trying to send mail to servers that are not operational. The statement suggesting that he doesn't plan on this server running all the time is what caught my eye. It will likely lead to lost inbound mail that's deleted at their source as undeliverable. Cheers --- Larry Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
No you don't need a static IP although it is preferable. I run everything dynamic at home. Only problem is that ISPs like AOL won't accept E-mail from dynamically assigned IP addresses to their relay servers due to Spam protection. BTW I prefer postfix. Andy - Original Message - From: "Vic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail Oh yes, if you wish to run an e mail, or web server or both, you must register a domain name and have a static ip address. One must also be sure that the hostname of your machine matches that of the domain name. I have heard alot of boogering about on postfix and sendmail, I personally prefer sendmail because it puts the mails where they belong in /var/spool/mail/username instead of off in some stupid other file where pine and other mailers can't find it. I would try to make all speed to get your domain name registered as quickly as you can, before some boogerface bogarts it, unless the domain name is so unusual that no Bob Normal would ever think of it, if this is the case you are safe. I hope I have helped. Vic On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Jarabe de Palo wrote: Ok, this is probably a dumb question for all you Experts, but I will ask anyway. Ok I want to send and recieve mail diectly from my linux box. Do I need a domain name registered? And which proggy is easier for the first time user? I will need about 10 accounts. And another thing my computer is not always connected to the net so I know that would effect something. The main reason I need this is for a database i am creating. Its for my family to enter in their genealogy information for me to edit and setup into a family tree and the like. So my website would only need to be up for a little while, would not have to be always on cause i could tell every one when they need to enter in the info etc. Ok enough of that, my main question is regarding email, do I need a domain name registered to send and receive email directly from my linux box? The domain I want to use is not registered as of yet. thanx Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Postfix or Sendmail
Oh yes, if you wish to run an e mail, or web server or both, you must register a domain name and have a static ip address. One must also be sure that the hostname of your machine matches that of the domain name. I have heard alot of boogering about on postfix and sendmail, I personally prefer sendmail because it puts the mails where they belong in /var/spool/mail/username instead of off in some stupid other file where pine and other mailers can't find it. I would try to make all speed to get your domain name registered as quickly as you can, before some boogerface bogarts it, unless the domain name is so unusual that no Bob Normal would ever think of it, if this is the case you are safe. I hope I have helped. Vic On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Jarabe de Palo wrote: Ok, this is probably a dumb question for all you Experts, but I will ask anyway. Ok I want to send and recieve mail diectly from my linux box. Do I need a domain name registered? And which proggy is easier for the first time user? I will need about 10 accounts. And another thing my computer is not always connected to the net so I know that would effect something. The main reason I need this is for a database i am creating. Its for my family to enter in their genealogy information for me to edit and setup into a family tree and the like. So my website would only need to be up for a little while, would not have to be always on cause i could tell every one when they need to enter in the info etc. Ok enough of that, my main question is regarding email, do I need a domain name registered to send and receive email directly from my linux box? The domain I want to use is not registered as of yet. thanx Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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You don't need a domain name. you can get a free subdomain dns account from justlinux.com, dhs.org which will point to your ip and use it for email. purposes. NeoMatrix http://www.iamnewbie.com On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, you wrote: Ok, this is probably a dumb question for all you Experts, but I will ask anyway. Ok I want to send and recieve mail diectly from my linux box. Do I need a domain name registered? And which proggy is easier for the first time user? I will need about 10 accounts. And another thing my computer is not always connected to the net so I know that would effect something. The main reason I need this is for a database i am creating. Its for my family to enter in their genealogy information for me to edit and setup into a family tree and the like. So my website would only need to be up for a little while, would not have to be always on cause i could tell every one when they need to enter in the info etc. Ok enough of that, my main question is regarding email, do I need a domain name registered to send and receive email directly from my linux box? The domain I want to use is not registered as of yet. thanx Content-Type: text/plain; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Jarabe de Palo wrote: Ok, this is probably a dumb question for all you Experts, but I will ask anyway. Ok I want to send and recieve mail diectly from my linux box. Do I need a domain name registered? And which proggy is easier for the first time user? I will need about 10 accounts. And another thing my computer is not always connected to the net so I know that would effect something. The main reason I need this is for a database i am creating. Its for my family to enter in their genealogy information for me to edit and setup into a family tree and the like. So my website would only need to be up for a little while, would not have to be always on cause i could tell every one when they need to enter in the info etc. Ok enough of that, my main question is regarding email, do I need a domain name registered to send and receive email directly from my linux box? The domain I want to use is not registered as of yet. thanx Jarabe, Others more knowledgeable than I may already have answered this but for me : !-I am using the stock install of the postfix mdk rpm. It basically was "point and click" It used to be harder to get things going but always has been much easier than sendmail and quite secure as well. 2-I have a registered domain and at least one ( of what I call subdomains). One of the legal domains Hosted by an ISP is the name of the accessable machine. I do have a static IP matching my assigned domain which makes alot of configuration simpler and even if you are not on all the time it is much easier for others to log into your machine when you are. Of course the normal security precautions are in order, and regular checks of logs etc. A static IP is usually only another 10$ US or so a month. My two thoughts ! William Bouterse Talkeetna Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
