[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
The response went off-line I post the missing posting I asked you to present evidence that there was more than one person acting as Shankaracharya (whether he claims the title to two maths or not -- disputed claims, one might add) who was opposed to Maharishi. I quote SwaroopanandJi because he is a direct disciple of Guru Dev and he is also Shankaracharya. If there were another Shankaracharya who was also a direct disciple of Guru Dev I would quote him also. So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples, but we only hear about Guru Dev because good disciples are few and far between. In other traditions, Judas was a disciple, too, but just not a very good one. I would suggest the litmus test for whether Swaroopanand is a legitimate Shankaracharya would be if he supports Maharishi's campaign to enlighten the world -- since he obviously does not, then darkness has placed him in a seat that his level of consciousness does not qualify him for. Without offering a shred of evidence, you suggest that Swaroopanand's motive for criticising his guru-bhaiee 'Mahesh Yogi' is jealousy? I was hoping for a better profile of the situation. That's very funny -- I'm supposed to supply evidence for a very common human motivation? MMY is world famous, Swaroopananda has spent years in courts battling for the little recognition he has -- I think that jealousy is an obvious possibility, but whether it is jealousy or mere malice, Swaroopananda is no friend of humanity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples, but we only hear about Guru Dev because good disciples are few and far between. In other traditions, Judas was a disciple, too, but just not a very good one. I would suggest the litmus test for whether Swaroopanand is a legitimate Shankaracharya would be if he supports Maharishi's campaign to enlighten the world -- since he obviously does not, then darkness has placed him in a seat that his level of consciousness does not qualify him for. Swaroopanand Ji was not just another devotee, he was one of the inner circle of chelas. There are several very useful books available of Shantanand Ji, another of Gurudev's chelas, from the Study Society. But the test of a good disciple of Gurudev is not necessarilly that 'we' hear about them. And actually 'we' do not hear about Guru Dev. That is why he has his own webpage on my site http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand Saraswati
There are a few books available of the teachings of Shantanand Ji. They can be had by contacting the Study Society at http://www.studysociety.net/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, peterklutz wrote: Any comment on the Rocicrucians and their knowledge by MMY? Did you know I was a Freemasonic scholar? Ask something more specific. I wish I knew how, I am as ignorant about this as in so many areas. The reason I ask is a sense of fascination re the more hands-on stuff that might be found there. Since MMY is for enlightenement wouldn't it be a nice pasttime to indulge in the engineering stuff I have the impression is handed down in this tradition? Re MMY's 'lost tradition' remark - is this because it stems from Atlantis and it was lost, or is the knowledge in it 'dead?' Come to think of it, that's a good topic - the Rocicrucian view on Atlantis? I hope you're not bound by any vows of secrecy :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:38 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Ok. Do you know what they hid at Rosslynn? Ha ha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:24 AM, Rory Goff wrote: To tackle your questions on the traditional koshas or sheaths, we could maybe align the koshas with the chakras etc. The chakras, nadi and points are part of the prana-maya-kosha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:33 AM, peterklutz wrote: Come to think of it, that's a good topic - the Rocicrucian view on Atlantis? There are no Rosicrucians. There was a movement in society created by the manifestos and largely driven by the angst left over from the reformation and how it failed to united science and religion. All the so-called Rosicrucian groups, all of them, are fabricated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote: I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However, when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your deerskin down before you get seated. when everyone stands up when you come in the room, and waits for you to sit down and then sit down, when they hang on your every word and you have words to direct every aspect of a person's life, when you give people blessings to get married or advise against it, when you have men and women leading monkish lives and following your every advice, when you have a university in your own name and the basis of the universisty is development of consciousness, when people follow rigorous diets and follow what appear to be extreme suggestions for improving healtn and the many others things I have left out, it is pretty hard to claim non-Guruhood. The nature of the Guru-Student relationship is more personal than any of the above. And if we are talking of purity of the Vedic tradition I doubt he would avoid the formal rite for this relationship (of student and Guru) and the giving of a guru-mantra (a mantra which helps you not only keep contact, but allows you to unite your consciousness to the teachers) which is the vehicle for lineal transmission. You are right, he does use many of the props and a lot of the pretense. We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style meditation here. It ain't 'the real thing' despite 'millions being served'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote: I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However, when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your deerskin down before you get seated. when everyone stands up when you come in the room, and waits for you to sit down and then sit down, when they hang on your every word and you have words to direct every aspect of a person's life, when you give people blessings to get married or advise against it, when you have men and women leading monkish lives and following your every advice, when you have a university in your own name and the basis of the universisty is development of consciousness, when people follow rigorous diets and follow what appear to be extreme suggestions for improving healtn and the many others things I have left out, it is pretty hard to claim non-Guruhood. The nature of the Guru-Student relationship is more personal than any of the above. And if we are talking of purity of the Vedic tradition I doubt he would avoid the formal rite for this relationship (of student and Guru) and the giving of a guru-mantra (a mantra which helps you not only keep contact, but allows you to unite your consciousness to the teachers) which is the vehicle for lineal transmission. You are right, he does use many of the props and a lot of the pretense. We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style meditation here. It ain't 'the real thing' despite 'millions being served'. Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to have the experience of others. -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor at the foot of Guru Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets, but in fact choose what they want to eat; development of consciousness does not require any devotion to a guru; the reporters at the White House stand up when the President enters the room; Maharishi does not attempt to direct every aspect of a person's life (but instead says do as you feel to do); advised only a few people like Larry Domash not to get married (because he would be able to devote more time and energy to the TM movement, a reasonable suggestion for a key employee); Ayurveda does not make extreme suggestions for improving health. The guru-disciple relationship is much more close than what anybody has with MMY. If you read about MMY's relationship with Guru Dev, then you understand what it truly implies: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the inner circle. Bevan, Neil, Nand Kishore, Rindi, Tony Nader, and others. In fact, he said to a friend of mine, There comes a time when the guru decides to get personally involved in the life of the disciple. For a core group of people, that involvement has been going on for decades. As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an outer relationship with the guru. The outer relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell absolutely nothing of the inner relationship from the outer relationship of another. We know nothing of the inner relationship Bevan, Tony, or the dedicated renegade TM teacher has with MMY. The inner relationship is the important one and that is profoundly personal and only known to you and YOU(the guru). -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to have the experience of others. So you are saying you have witnessed MMY formally accepting sishyas? That's the point here, not that people do not or cannot derive some benefit from him or have a relationship with MMY--or for that matter believe he is their guru. People are free to believe whatever they want. But can you tell me, in an org so obsessed with alleged traditional purity that there is a formal acceptance of sishyas? I say there is none--at least that westerners will ever receive. Of course I am always open to changing this opinion if there is clear evidence to the contrary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote: I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However, when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your deerskin down before you get seated. when everyone stands up when you come in the room, and waits for you to sit down and then sit down, when they hang on your every word and you have words to direct every aspect of a person's life, when you give people blessings to get married or advise against it, when you have men and women leading monkish lives and following your every advice, when you have a university in your own name and the basis of the universisty is development of consciousness, when people follow rigorous diets and follow what appear to be extreme suggestions for improving healtn and the many others things I have left out, it is pretty hard to claim non-Guruhood. The nature of the Guru-Student relationship is more personal than any of the above. And if we are talking of purity of the Vedic tradition I doubt he would avoid the formal rite for this relationship (of student and Guru) and the giving of a guru-mantra (a mantra which helps you not only keep contact, but allows you to unite your consciousness to the teachers) which is the vehicle for lineal transmission. You are right, he does use many of the props and a lot of the pretense. We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style meditation here. It ain't 'the real thing' despite 'millions being served'. Dream on pal. I guess you never got to do the yogic flying. It is realBIG TIME. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:33 AM, peterklutz wrote: Come to think of it, that's a good topic - the Rocicrucian view on Atlantis? There are no Rosicrucians. There was a movement in society created by the manifestos and largely driven by the angst left over from the reformation and how it failed to united science and religion. All the so-called Rosicrucian groups, all of them, are fabricated. Ok. There are no stupid questions, I hope.. :-) (1) then what is the correct label och view on that strain of knowledge which reportedly survived Atlantis in ancient Egypt etc and where cna i be found today? (2) What is the [insert answer to point 1 here] the view/undestanding/knowledge on Atlantis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:24 AM, Rory Goff wrote: To tackle your questions on the traditional koshas or sheaths, we could maybe align the koshas with the chakras etc. The chakras, nadi and points are part of the prana-maya-kosha. Yes, quite true; we can say they are anchored there. However they appear to have correlates or analogues throughout the various dimensions. We can say from Purusha's point of view the Sex chakra or pranamayakosha manifests in the cosmic body as Sagittarius (the divine Planter) and Pisces (the divine Forester), for example, and on the Tree of Nine (lokas) as the realm of the Dark Elves or vegetable devas, and so on. There is a rich and almost infinitely complex network of magical correspondences. It gets a bit bogged down if I throw in all the correlates from all the different dimensions in every posting; for those who are curious, symbolism for much of these is available in postings with OMG or Akasha last year and (in much more detail) on my website. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right, he does use many of the props and a lot of the pretense. We're talking about McDonald's drive-thru style meditation here. It ain't 'the real thing' despite 'millions being served'. Peter wrote: Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to have the experience of others. -Peter Have to agree with Peter. I know of a number of Masters who have enlivened the Tradition within themselves working entirely or primarily from TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 6:32 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Rick Archer wrote: No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the inner circle The guru-disciple relationship is a formal one and not merely indicated by proximity. Do you have any evidence that formal guru-sishya initiation took place? He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. I don't know about formal definition of guruhood. I suppose that by some definitions, Maharishi was never a guru to anyone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an outer relationship with the guru. The outer relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell absolutely nothing of the inner relationship from the outer relationship of another. We know nothing of the inner relationship Bevan, Tony, or the dedicated renegade TM teacher has with MMY. The inner relationship is the important one and that is profoundly personal and only known to you and YOU(the guru). -Peter And someone physically distant from the guru may in reality be much closer than someone physically close. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al
Then you've got him sussed. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Freemasons et al On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:27 AM, rudra_joe wrote: Is MMY really a grade 33 Freemason?Not that I ever heard! To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. Would you elaborate on that please? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim tohave the experience of others. -PeterIt's not that it works or that it doesn't work. It's the denigration of all past traditions in the simple phrase, "Spiritual Regeneration," or other (tmed) Maharishisms. It's not the purity of the teaching that is in question but the purity ofwisdom of the teaching. (Since through research I have come to love the TM mantras, as mantras taken from the Sri Vidya, and hence MMY's Mahalakshmi connection). But I think that we Americans are wiser now and have more Eastern knowledge than ever before. I mean, today many could hold down with Blavatsky and Crowley and other Western/Eastern pioneers. And better yet because many other traditions have their extensions in America now we can pick and choose and discern the truth for ourselves without interpreters any longer. And this is the main thing here. There's more information so lack of explanation for ones motivescould easily dismissed as crackpot. We've had wayward gurus galore so we can now easily suspect everyone's motives. The only truth is that one which has been distilled and served up fine as liquer. Other truths are merely grapes waiting to be mashed. Maharishi Mishmashed. And registered for Varma/Srivistava profit (I hate saying that but it's obvious as a broken toe). The truth is like gimel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becomingclearer and clearer that there is an inner and anouter relationship with the guru. The outerrelationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tellabsolutely nothing of the inner relationship from theouter relationship of another. We know nothing of theinner relationship Bevan, Tony, or the dedicated"renegade" TM teacher has with MMY. The innerrelationship is the important one and that isprofoundly personal and only known to you and YOU(theguru).-Peter I don't know. I can't say, but doesn't one have the same relationship with any personal icon? What about rock groupies, is not their idol in an inner/outer relationship with great disparity? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have a Brahmin perform the rite? Who performed the upanayama ceremony? Brahmin sshmamin. Man you are a control freak. You probably want to start your own movement don't ya. It doesn't matter if the guru is a woman, sudra, or a fvcking fish jumped out of the ocean. The knowledge is spread, and people practice it according to the teaching. Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the US, gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the NIH, and is soon going to be taught to the US army(I predict within 2 years), and has more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for its efficacy than probably any other technique. Yea, Maharishi is not a guru..right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Modifications to MMY biog including views represented through FFL'
'Modifications to MMY biog including views represented through FFL' I recently received an email with the above title. I have copied my reply:- Hi again. I noticed the title of your email and have wondered what can be done to represent the collective views of those who have been posting at FFL (and possibly Google). A major impediment is the anonymity of contributers at FFL.!?! But , perhaps someone would take on the task of sifting and tidying the postings related to MMY and present a digest of opinions that have emerged? I would consider hosting such a report (as a supplement or appendix to the on-line biography at http://www.paulmason.info/, with due credit of course). Jaya Gurudeva Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an outer relationship with the guru. The outer relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell absolutely nothing of the inner relationship from the outer relationship of another. We know nothing of the inner relationship Bevan, Tony, or the dedicated renegade TM teacher has with MMY. The inner relationship is the important one and that is profoundly personal and only known to you and YOU(the guru). -Peter Nice to see it acknowledged in this forum that it is in fact possible to have such an inner relationship with MMY. But why limit it to only to TM-teachers? Allow me to quote the Man himself on the subject: Who is a disciple? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have a Brahmin perform the rite? Who performed the upanayama ceremony? He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about an hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their heads and did other stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening --and My Three Suns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (continuing in the model of mergence of Purusha and Prakriti through the various dimensions or bodies) ...So when viewed from the inside, while these processes are going on, it can get more than a little confusing. For example, we can say (broadly) that the first real awareness of the chakras, prana, AND bliss arises (or can arise) during the sense-refinement of G.C., as Purusha moves down into the Bliss-kosha of the throat, and Prakriti moves up into the Sex chakra of the sense-organs. But from the point of view of one in G.C., there IS no more; the entire body is sometimes being (or can be) ecstatically overwhelmed with mass avalanches of kundalini or shakti, and the various chakras illuminate themselves; the consciousness passes up through the crown and recognizes itself as an entity independent of the physical body and space-time, and so on. (Individual results may vary.) The attention or primary focus on all this passes when we move to U.C., and a whole new vista gradually (or suddenly) arises. Patanjali beautifully illuminates this latter rise into Unity with the sutra, when the translucent intellect becomes as clear as the Self, enlightenment arises (or something like that). Here he is describing Purusha -- the Self -- now moving down into our heart, or buddhi, or vijnanamaya kosha: the translucent intellect (while Prakriti moves up into our manas, or navel, or lower mind), and its (our) recognition of and fusion with our Solar angel, the causal body, recognizing the Sol/Soul/ Light of Lights as our own Self. Literally, enlightenment. The first half of the journey is now done; Purusha and Prakriti have now met at our cosmic center. (What remains is the journey of their overlap and complete mergence.) Going into this in a bit more detail -- while the kundalini-flows or shakti-flows in G.C. culminate in the realization that one is a subtle body independent of the physical and space-time, this is mostly in the sense of astral-travel or soul-travel. U.C./B.C. begin to unfold the realization that all of this is now available in the physical body. In Purusha's moving down into vijnanamaya (Buddhi or the Cosmic Heart) and Prakriti's moving up into manamaya (Manas or Cosmic Navel), one no longer has to leave the physical body to explore the various dimensions. Time and Space are now comprehended as illusory even now, in this moment, and soon the Guru who was installed in one's Being in C.C. or G.C. is now comprehended as the Self (Causal Body; Cosmic Solar Plexus). LLL, R. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
So Maharishi performed some type of official ceremony so a handful of people could be officially called disciples, big whoop. Is there a rulebook that describes a guru-disciple relationship? If so does it specifically void relationships that are absent this.some ceremony? Isn't the guru disciple relationship based on something more than a ceremony? I would imagine the entirety of purusha and mother divine would claim they have a direct guru-disciple relationship with Maharishi. I would imagine that the dedicated staff/faculty members at MUM would cliam a guru-disciple relationship. The same for the well-to-do who have lived in FF for many years now and offer money whenever money is needed. Maharishi may not descrbe these people as his disciples but I can't imagine that it is anything but. They look to him for guidance in every aspect of their lives, they imagine, based on the knowing me in your heart that M has described, his thoughts on every issue. And Maharishi is not lacking in advice and never has been, even if his advice is to be self-sufficient.Yet, even with this advice of his (self-sufficiency) he is never lacking in specific, though perhaps general, advice/guidance. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have a Brahmin perform the rite? Who performed the upanayama ceremony? He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about an hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their heads and did other stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is Maharishi a Guru?
Shannon Dickson's report on his Brahmachari initiation: Hi Rick, Regarding my Brahmacharya initiation by MMY, it was a lovely ceremony late one night in Majorca. He had the large picture of Guru Dev above a puja set in his room at the Hotel Samoa, and when I came in the room he had me sit on the floor on a skin at his feet and he told me about the significance of the master-disciple relationship and other such things for a good while and then he had me perform the puja in front of the almost life-size painting of Guru Dev with him sitting over my shoulder and afterward gave me a new recluse mantra, we then meditated about 15 minutes with the new mantra, and then had me systematically sit facing the north, south, east and west with my eyes closed while he was chanting some different Sanskrit at each of the different compass directions that I was sitting, and while placing his hand on the top my head. He then bent down and whispered some more Sanskrit into my ear other than the mantra and the whole thing lasted around 45 minutes to an hour or so. And afterward, he told me to stop rounding and just serve him from then on. It was after that that Billy, Louis and I took over from Rob, Casey and Ned as his personal secretaries handling his daily affairs and schedule and taking care of him. Regarding my meditation, he said ³if there was time to close the eyes during the day for a brief while that was alright, but that it wasn¹t necessary as my devotion and service to him would be enough². I was 19 years old, a few months shy of 20, and went from 13 to 15 hours a day of rounding to about 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night tops, and almost no meditation in no time, and we ran on the pure adrenaline of youthful enthusiasm and joy of talking care of MMY 24/7. That whole time with him, at that peak time of the movement, was a marvelous experience! Take care, Shannon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi a Guru?
Rick What is Shannon up to now? How long did his brahmachari lifestyle last? Did the others, Billy Clayton, Rob, et al, also get this particular initiation? Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shannon Dickson's report on his Brahmachari initiation: Hi Rick, Regarding my Brahmacharya initiation by MMY, it was a lovely ceremony late one night in Majorca. He had the large picture of Guru Dev above a puja set in his room at the Hotel Samoa, and when I came in the room he had me sit on the floor on a skin at his feet and he told me about the significance of the master-disciple relationship and other such things for a good while and then he had me perform the puja in front of the almost life-size painting of Guru Dev with him sitting over my shoulder and afterward gave me a new recluse mantra, we then meditated about 15 minutes with the new mantra, and then had me systematically sit facing the north, south, east and west with my eyes closed while he was chanting some different Sanskrit at each of the different compass directions that I was sitting, and while placing his hand on the top my head. He then bent down and whispered some more Sanskrit into my ear other than the mantra and the whole thing lasted around 45 minutes to an hour or so. And afterward, he told me to stop rounding and just serve him from then on. It was after that that Billy, Louis and I took over from Rob, Casey and Ned as his personal secretaries handling his daily affairs and schedule and taking care of him. Regarding my meditation, he said ³if there was time to close the eyes during the day for a brief while that was alright, but that it wasn¹t necessary as my devotion and service to him would be enough². I was 19 years old, a few months shy of 20, and went from 13 to 15 hours a day of rounding to about 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night tops, and almost no meditation in no time, and we ran on the pure adrenaline of youthful enthusiasm and joy of talking care of MMY 24/7. That whole time with him, at that peak time of the movement, was a marvelous experience! Take care, Shannon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Maharishi a Guru?
on 3/26/05 12:31 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick What is Shannon up to now? He lives out in Hawaii now. He had polio as a child - his inoculation gave it to him - and this led to complications later in life which qualify him for Medicare support or something like that. He also writes reviews of high end audio equipment for Hi-Fi magazines. He's a very articulate writer in expressing his understanding/experience of Unicity, as he calls it (i.e., an Advaitin sort of perspective on things) which has dawned in him in the last year or two. How long did his brahmachari lifestyle last? A few years. Did the others, Billy Clayton, Rob, et al, also get this particular initiation? I think so. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shannon Dickson's report on his Brahmachari initiation: Hi Rick, Regarding my Brahmacharya initiation by MMY, it was a lovely ceremony late one night in Majorca. He had the large picture of Guru Dev above a puja set in his room at the Hotel Samoa, and when I came in the room he had me sit on the floor on a skin at his feet and he told me about the significance of the master-disciple relationship and other such things for a good while and then he had me perform the puja in front of the almost life-size painting of Guru Dev with him sitting over my shoulder and afterward gave me a new recluse mantra, we then meditated about 15 minutes with the new mantra, and then had me systematically sit facing the north, south, east and west with my eyes closed while he was chanting some different Sanskrit at each of the different compass directions that I was sitting, and while placing his hand on the top my head. He then bent down and whispered some more Sanskrit into my ear other than the mantra and the whole thing lasted around 45 minutes to an hour or so. And afterward, he told me to stop rounding and just serve him from then on. It was after that that Billy, Louis and I took over from Rob, Casey and Ned as his personal secretaries handling his daily affairs and schedule and taking care of him. Regarding my meditation, he said ³if there was time to close the eyes during the day for a brief while that was alright, but that it wasn¹t necessary as my devotion and service to him would be enough². I was 19 years old, a few months shy of 20, and went from 13 to 15 hours a day of rounding to about 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night tops, and almost no meditation in no time, and we ran on the pure adrenaline of youthful enthusiasm and joy of talking care of MMY 24/7. That whole time with him, at that peak time of the movement, was a marvelous experience! Take care, Shannon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an outer relationship with the guru. The outer relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell absolutely nothing of the inner relationship from the outer relationship of another. We know nothing of the inner relationship Bevan, Tony, or the dedicated renegade TM teacher has with MMY. The inner relationship is the important one and that is profoundly personal and only known to you and YOU(the guru). -Peter And someone physically distant from the guru may in reality be much closer than someone physically close. Hi Rick, About two nights or so ago, I had a dream about Maharishi. During the dream, I decided to ask him a question about where the money has been going. It took tremedous effort to ask this question during the dream, but, I did get the question out. Maharishi seemed displeased that I had brought the matter up. I wasn't looking for a confession; since this is one of the main topics of discussion at FFL, I just wanted to know what was going on. After I had this dream, I thought to myself, I should have asked Maharishi for Enlightenment. It's not often that I have dreams about him. I may have to wait several months or even another year before he shows up in my dream. Peace, Marc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
Well, Pundiji left this morning from Ft. Lauderdale airport. Got to spend some time with him in his room this morning just sitting in that amazing darshan. Then everyone went downstairs to a larger room for a brief satsang with the local Art of Living people. Drove the Indian people traveling with him to the airport. It was fun watching people react to him in the airport. Went back to his room and cleaned up with several others. His skin boy gave me all of Punditji's bedding and cooking pots to wash and keep for when he comes back the next time. Then we all went and had lunch and told Punditji and MMY stories. Pretty cool time. Ronnie and Steve say hello to everybody who they might know on this newsgroup. -Peter (keeper of the sheets and pots) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
In a message dated 3/26/05 3:32:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: His "skin boy" gave me all ofPunditji's bedding and cooking pots to wash and keepfor when he comes back the next time. Then we all wentand had lunch and told Punditji and MMY stories.Pretty cool time. Ronnie and Steve say hello toeverybody who they might know on this newsgroup.-Peter (keeper of the sheets and pots) Oh just think of the full regalia that could be made from those sheets! Robert Byrd would have chills running up his spine! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about an hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their heads and did other stuff. Thanks for sharing that--that was beautiful to hear. I don't want to give people the impression that I am anti-TM, I just feel the movement has lost it's impetus as an evolutionary agent. Therefore I do not recommend people take initiation there unless they really feel some personal draw--and can afford it. I had a personal time of deep, deep devotion to MMY which culminated in what I can only call 'meeting Maharishi in consciousness'. The tension which had built up of deep unanswered questions was released, as was anything else I could gain from that movement. I was like I was set free. Answers I desired just presented themselves. Best, -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
Title: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo -- Forwarded Message From: Nelson and Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:24:42 -0600 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo Hey Rick, I didn't know how to clean up this message and put it on ffl. Maybe itis too long but at least read it and then decide. These people make Jack Kavorkian look like a boy scout- he must be proud of them. Thanks, N. - Original Message - From: Susan Bush mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo - Original Message - From: acm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo I found this on the web...very interesting even if lengthy. From Anna From: acm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo Thursday, March 17, 2005 What's REALLY Driving the Death Train for Terri! EXPLOSIVE Revelations About Judge Greer and Pinellas County Guardians! Outside of execution, guardianship is the most radical remedy we have. Elias Cohen, Philadelphia Attorney and Gerontologist Is Pinellas County using guardianship as a cover for robbing the handicapped and elderly? If you had found a way to steal thousands of dollars from wealthy elderly, where would you find the most victims? Yes, Florida is the first state that comes to my mind. I never bought into the right to die thing. It is as much spin as the term reproductive rights is for abortion. Right to die is spin, but spin for what? While I know evil exists and admit I can't understand the rational of being in favor of killing people; I felt there just had to be more than a pro-death belief. I think I found what is behind this belief. It isn't about death with dignity. I think you will be shocked and horrified at what I found. Pinellas County Internal Auditor, Robert W. Melton has been assigned by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform. He says, .the practices I have seen in the short time I have been involved in guardianships is shocking. It is time to put an end to unscrupulous practices at the expense of our state's most vulnerable citizens. Court appointed professional guardians in Pinellas County have a great system going under the protection of judges like George Greer. Most of these guardians handle cases for wards who are mentally or physically incapable of doing so themselves. Even though Michael Schiavo is not a professional guardian, this case will set a precedent for the treatment of the disabled. Right now the abuse robs these people of their life savings and assets, while accusing family members of being the greedy ones and these guardians are only protecting these vulnerable citizens. A GREAT example of how they operate to gain guardianship and then protect their wards is below. Here are just 10 of the dirty tricks, as outlined by Pinellas County Internal Auditor Robert W. Melton:http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/dirty-guardian- tricks.html Guardian creation of a trust: Remove all oversight by the court as a provision of the trust agreement; guardian becomes trustee; provide that the trustee can do whatever they want at their sole discretion. Sell real estate at lowball price: Use lowball valuations as a benchmark; don't list property with Realtors; sell to a land trust, where nobody knows the beneficiary; watch property resold a few months later for a huge increase. Maximize your (or your crony's) profit from investments: Hire money manager for financial expertise and let the manager select an investment broker; invest in volatile stocks and trade frequently to generate commissions; if you run up a large gain, don't selectively liquidate over time to pay the taxes but hold a fire sale to raise funds all in one day. Undervalue beginning inventory: Have a used-furniture friend value a house full of antiques for $3,000; forget to put some of the more expensive items on the inventory; forget to include a $40,000 certificate of deposit. Pay yourself first: Make payment of guardian and attorney fees the highest priority; disregard mortgage payments and let ward's home go into foreclosure; squirrel away money in the attorney's escrow account for possible future expenses. Maintain guardianship at all costs: Keep family members uninformed; if family members try to become guardian, accuse them of stealing; use the ward's assets for legal fights to retain guardianship. Improper financial reporting: Bury asset-management and brokerage fees as aggregate capital losses due to market fluctuations; don't classify disbursements separately; file incomplete or incorrect safe- deposit box inventories. Forced incompetency: Visit assisted-living facilities and establish employee contacts; obtain voluntary limited financial guardianship; if there is money in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
Maybe this whole Schiavo thing is symbolic-omenious for North-America at this time.. Do we kill her or let her stay with us, hoping for improvement..? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
In a message dated 3/26/05 4:25:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Instead of serving to protect the assets of incapacitated persons,the existing guardianship system presents the opportunity forunscrupulous guardians to loot the assets of their wards and enrichthemselves with impunity." New York Grand Jury I listened to Terri's father say last night that Michael Schiavo has now spent about 600,000.00 of the million dollars awarded in malpractice to take care of Terri, on his attorney, to have her killed instead of using it for her rehabilitation over the years. Maybe Terri will rest easier if she knows Michael ends up broke. By the way Nelson I guess you saw where Michael's attorney contributed to Judge George Greer's re-election the day after Terri's law was declared unconstitutional. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
In a message dated 3/26/05 4:33:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe this whole Schiavo thing is symbolic-omenious for North-Americaat this time..Do we kill her or let her stay with us, hoping for improvement..? There will probably be some very important and thoughtful revision in such laws that allow this to happen. And more people will right a living will. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the other Shankaracharyas are chopped liver? The fact that Swaroop had face time with Guru Dev doesn't mean anything. Guru Dev's master had many disciples, but we only hear about Guru Dev because good disciples are few and far between. In other traditions, Judas was a disciple, too, but just not a very good one. I would suggest the litmus test for whether Swaroopanand is a legitimate Shankaracharya would be if he supports Maharishi's campaign to enlighten the world -- since he obviously does not, then darkness has placed him in a seat that his level of consciousness does not qualify him for. Swaroopanand Ji was not just another devotee, he was one of the inner circle of chelas. There are several very useful books available of Shantanand Ji, another of Gurudev's chelas, from the Study Society. But the test of a good disciple of Gurudev is not necessarilly that 'we' hear about them. And actually 'we' do not hear about Guru Dev. That is why he has his own webpage on my site http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm As a matter of fact, Guru Dev was so very well-known in India that the first President of India paid tribute to him. Swaroopanand is strictly power-hungry, claiming title to not one, but two seats of the Shankaracharya tradition, and seeking to unseat the current Kanchi seer, in order to magnify his power. But regardless of whether Swaroopananda is any good or not, the original post was about the fact that Vedic instruction was associated with a preceptor's fee, the Gurudakshina, which is easily verified with examples like Krishna's payment to his guru. Claiming that MMY is breaking with Vedic tradition by front-loading the preceptor's fee for Vedic instruction (which is far more than selling a mantra) is nonsense, and you have failed to acknowledge that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the US, gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the NIH, and is soon going to be taught to the US army(I predict within 2 years), and has more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for its efficacy than probably any other technique. Why am I mad about this? Lol, Well, lets see Vaj. (Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in which case I apologize and somebody set me straight). You seemed to be trying with all your might to show that Maharishi is not a true guru, and Guru Dev couldn't pick him out of a crowd if asked to do so. You also spend an awful lot of time trying to denounce him, and also TM as being no good. You also spent an awful lot of time trying to convince me that Buddha did not come from a Vedic tradition, and (on the other hand in your dichotomous argument forms)even though he did, he renounced it completely. Then you tell us that it is somehow of SUCH GREAT IMPORTANCE if Maharishi was a Brahmin caste or what or is qualified to be a teacher guru rishi sage . You hate TM and Maharishi. (Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in which case I apologize and somebody set me straight). Therefore , anything that seems like success of TM and Maharishi over your own movement that you want to start and lord it over everyone... you are mad about. For example: TM gets taught in some public schools in the US, gets taught to criminal offenders in Missourri by a judge who does not meditate, but has seen the postive effects of it, and TM is funded strongly (10's of millions) in research by the NIH, and has more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for its efficacy than probably any other technique. Are you happy that this is the case? It ok, it makes a lot of people on this board mad too. (oops , I just set the cat among the pidgeonswho!) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
in the absence of facts and common sense, make up a rightwing nutter conspiracy theory --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Nelson and Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:24:42 -0600 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo Hey Rick, I didn't know how to clean up this message and put it on ffl. Maybe itis too long but at least read it and then decide. These people make Jack Kavorkian look like a boy scout- he must be proud of them. Thanks, N. - Original Message - From: Susan Bush mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo - Original Message - From: acm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo I found this on the web...very interesting even if lengthy. From Anna From: acm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo Thursday, March 17, 2005 What's REALLY Driving the Death Train for Terri! EXPLOSIVE Revelations About Judge Greer and Pinellas County Guardians! Outside of execution, guardianship is the most radical remedy we have. Elias Cohen, Philadelphia Attorney and Gerontologist Is Pinellas County using guardianship as a cover for robbing the handicapped and elderly? If you had found a way to steal thousands of dollars from wealthy elderly, where would you find the most victims? Yes, Florida is the first state that comes to my mind. I never bought into the right to die thing. It is as much spin as the term reproductive rights is for abortion. Right to die is spin, but spin for what? While I know evil exists and admit I can't understand the rational of being in favor of killing people; I felt there just had to be more than a pro-death belief. I think I found what is behind this belief. It isn't about death with dignity. I think you will be shocked and horrified at what I found. Pinellas County Internal Auditor, Robert W. Melton has been assigned by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform. He says, .the practices I have seen in the short time I have been involved in guardianships is shocking. It is time to put an end to unscrupulous practices at the expense of our state's most vulnerable citizens. Court appointed professional guardians in Pinellas County have a great system going under the protection of judges like George Greer. Most of these guardians handle cases for wards who are mentally or physically incapable of doing so themselves. Even though Michael Schiavo is not a professional guardian, this case will set a precedent for the treatment of the disabled. Right now the abuse robs these people of their life savings and assets, while accusing family members of being the greedy ones and these guardians are only protecting these vulnerable citizens. A GREAT example of how they operate to gain guardianship and then protect their wards is below. Here are just 10 of the dirty tricks, as outlined by Pinellas County Internal Auditor Robert W. Melton:http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/dirty-guardian- tricks.html Guardian creation of a trust: Remove all oversight by the court as a provision of the trust agreement; guardian becomes trustee; provide that the trustee can do whatever they want at their sole discretion. Sell real estate at lowball price: Use lowball valuations as a benchmark; don't list property with Realtors; sell to a land trust, where nobody knows the beneficiary; watch property resold a few months later for a huge increase. Maximize your (or your crony's) profit from investments: Hire money manager for financial expertise and let the manager select an investment broker; invest in volatile stocks and trade frequently to generate commissions; if you run up a large gain, don't selectively liquidate over time to pay the taxes but hold a fire sale to raise funds all in one day. Undervalue beginning inventory: Have a used-furniture friend value a house full of antiques for $3,000; forget to put some of the more expensive items on the inventory; forget to include a $40,000 certificate of deposit. Pay yourself first: Make payment of guardian and attorney fees the highest priority; disregard mortgage payments and let ward's home go into foreclosure; squirrel away money in the attorney's escrow account for possible future expenses. Maintain guardianship at all costs: Keep family members uninformed; if family members try to become guardian, accuse them of stealing; use the ward's assets for legal fights to retain guardianship. Improper financial reporting: Bury asset-management and brokerage fees as aggregate capital losses due to market fluctuations; don't classify disbursements separately; file
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got to spend some time with him in his room this morning just sitting in that amazing darshan. Then we all went and had lunch and told Punditji and MMY stories. And then you all went to the Kareoke bar and Pundtji sang Bob Marley's 'Redemtion Songs'. (just kidding !. When I read it in my tired state I thought Punditji went to lunch with you, and you told stories over cafe lattes:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] GROUP PRAYER
Whatever your beliefs about the Teri Schaivo case, lets all together now pray for the most evolutionary outcome to occur. A group prayer from the minds that have been on a strong spiritual track for decades. No judgement or personal desire. Lets just pray now for the righteous thing for Teri and all involved To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
WOW ! This really goes to how out of touch and prejuduced you really are. No wonder you are always badmouthing TM. TM was NOT considered a religion by that court case, but your mind has turned it into its negative. TM won the case. Get informed ! Secondly TM is taught in a Public school in a Chicago with great success, and in a public school in, I think Baltimore. There may be others. Those public school principles that have used it are very happy with it. I can't find the whole article , but last year TIME magazine had an article on meditation, and probably half the cases they talked about (incuding the Chicago public school) were about TM. http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101030804,00.html TM is also given by a non-maditating judge in Missourri to criminal offenders. He is VERY impressed with the results --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which public schools? Wasn't there a court case a while back in which TM was shown to have religious content and therefore could not be taught in *any* public schools? If that's changed, I don't think anyone else knows about it. Sal On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:12 PM, off_world_beings wrote: TM gets taught in some public schools in the US To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have religious overtones. The 1977 court ruling, Malnak v. Yogi, dealt a serious blow to the movement. TM appealed to the New Jersey State Supreme Court claiming they were not teaching religion, but proven scientific techniques. The Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to the meditation program. In spite of vigorous protest against claims that TM is a religion, Bainbridge notes it is not mere coincidence that it is during this period that the organization took new initiatives that focused on supernormal powers. http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/tm.html And this: However, after 1975, TMs fortunes took another turn. The number of new people taking TM courses dropped significantly (Religious Fringe, p. 206). In response, the TM leadership announced an advanced program which purported to teach meditators to levitate and to vanish at will (Ibid.). Such outrageous claims tarnished the scientific image of TM which TM had strived to create and, as a result, the organization lost credibility (Ibid.). When a federal court ruled that TM was a religious practice, and the ruling was upheld in the U.S. Court of Appeals 3rd Dist. (Malnak v. Yogi), TM was then made subject to the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution (Religious Fringe, p. 207), not only denying TM the privilege of receiving federal funds, but preventing it from being taught in public schools, one of the key markets for TM (Ibid.). In addition to these setbacks, TM began to become criticized as actually being harmful, rather than beneficial, to some TM practitioners. In 1978, Psychology Today magazine reported that a substantial number of meditators developed anxiety, depression, physical and mental tension and other adverse effects (San Francisco Examiner, September 10, 1989, p. E3). In 1980, the West German governments Institute for Youth and Society produced a report calling TM a psychogroup and saying that the majority of people who went through TM experienced psychological or physical disorders (Edward Epstein, Politics and Transcendental Meditation, San Francisco Chronicle, December 29, 1995, p. A1) http://www.pastornet.net.au/response/articles/87.htm I'd say that in referring to it as a 'psychogroup' they might have had you in mind, off-world. On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:35 PM, off_world_beings wrote: TM was NOT considered a religion by that court case, but your mind has turned it into its negative. TM won the case. Get informed ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years. The first one I know of was in Washington DC, and goes back before the 1995 DC WPA. (of course the redneck fundie christians will never let it get widespread in Public schools, but it is not illegal to teach TM in public schools, and it never will be) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have religious overtones. The 1977 court ruling, Malnak v. Yogi, dealt a serious blow to the movement. TM appealed to the New Jersey State Supreme Court claiming they were not teaching religion, but proven scientific techniques. The Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to the meditation program. In spite of vigorous protest against claims that TM is a religion, Bainbridge notes it is not mere coincidence that it is during this period that the organization took new initiatives that focused on supernormal powers. http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/tm.html And this: However, after 1975, TM's fortunes took another turn. The number of new people taking TM courses dropped significantly (Religious Fringe, p. 206). In response, the TM leadership announced an advanced program which purported to teach meditators to levitate and to vanish at will (Ibid.). Such outrageous claims tarnished the scientific image of TM which TM had strived to create and, as a result, the organization lost credibility (Ibid.). When a federal court ruled that TM was a religious practice, and the ruling was upheld in the U.S. Court of Appeals 3rd Dist. (Malnak v. Yogi), TM was then made subject to the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution (Religious Fringe, p. 207), not only denying TM the privilege of receiving federal funds, but preventing it from being taught in public schools, one of the key markets for TM (Ibid.). In addition to these setbacks, TM began to become criticized as actually being harmful, rather than beneficial, to some TM practitioners. In 1978, Psychology Today magazine reported that a `substantial number' of meditators developed anxiety, depression, physical and mental tension and other adverse effects (San Francisco Examiner, September 10, 1989, p. E3). In 1980, the West German government's Institute for Youth and Society produced a report calling TM a `psychogroup' and saying that the majority of people who went through TM experienced psychological or physical disorders (Edward Epstein, Politics and Transcendental Meditation, San Francisco Chronicle, December 29, 1995, p. A1) http://www.pastornet.net.au/response/articles/87.htm I'd say that in referring to it as a 'psychogroup' they might have had you in mind, off-world. On Mar 26, 2005, at 5:35 PM, off_world_beings wrote: TM was NOT considered a religion by that court case, but your mind has turned it into its negative. TM won the case. Get informed ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/05 4:25:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instead of serving to protect the assets of incapacitated persons, the existing guardianship system presents the opportunity for unscrupulous guardians to loot the assets of their wards and enrich themselves with impunity. ˜ New York Grand Jury I listened to Terri's father say last night that Michael Schiavo has now spent about 600,000.00 of the million dollars awarded in malpractice to take care of Terri, on his attorney, to have her killed instead of using it for her rehabilitation over the years. Maybe Terri will rest easier if she knows Michael ends up broke. By the way Nelson I guess you saw where Michael's attorney contributed to Judge George Greer's re-election the day after Terri's law was declared unconstitutional. Right- I guess it must be good business to keep their payments up to date. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Comment below: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Your just mad because TM gets taught in some public schools in the US, gets taught to offenders in Missourri, is funded in research by the NIH, and is soon going to be taught to the US army(I predict within 2 years), and has more ACTUAL EVIDENCE for its efficacy than probably any other technique. Why am I mad about this? Lol, Well, lets see Vaj. (Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, in which case I apologize and somebody set me straight). You seemed to be trying with all your might to show that Maharishi is not a true guru, and Guru Dev couldn't pick him out of a crowd if asked to do so. You also spend an awful lot of time trying to denounce him, and also TM as being no good. You also spent an awful lot of time trying to convince me that Buddha did not come from a Vedic tradition, and (on the other hand in your dichotomous argument forms)even though he did, he renounced it completely. Then you tell us that it is somehow of SUCH GREAT IMPORTANCE if Maharishi was a Brahmin caste or what or is qualified to be a teacher guru rishi sage . The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques means they simply did not bear fruit for you, that's all. Any point value can open to the infinite. Caste status, tradition means nothing. That's all crap that the mind chews on and judges..yes...no...yes...no. I'm happy your techniques and tradition bear fruit for you. I can say some pretty strong things regarding MMY's crazy and at times offensive behavior, but I never can doubt his status as a great realizer of Brahman. Guru Dev, MMY, Punditji. These are three very big boys! -Peter . __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/05 3:42:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hsummit.com writes: on 3/26/05 3:32 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Pundiji left this morning from Ft. Lauderdale airport. Got to spend some time with him in his room this morning just sitting in that amazing darshan. Very subjective judgment, but how would you compare it with Maharishi's darshan? I don't like to talk about my experiences much but the first time I ever saw Punditji the whole time I was in the room with him listening to him speak I could see brilliant gold light pouring out of the top of his head cascading over his shoulders. It looked more like molting gold than just light. I have seen this with M. My impression was that this is what MMY was like in his youth. I bet MMY is still that way. __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no articles on the Web that support that claim. Sal On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have religious overtones. And of course you are correct Sal. . Why are you spreading lies Vaj? This is very suspicious. TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is legal to teach TM in public schools and always will be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years. Few keep up with it for three years. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What DOES matter is if they are charging 2400 USD a pop. That is criminal. No its not. You are making this up. Its $2.50 a day over 3 years. Which is less than you drink in caffe lattes and internet connection each day. What kind of seeker is not willing to give up cafe lattes and go back to dial up in order to evolve? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the absence of facts and common sense, make up a rightwing nutter conspiracy theory snip + Iam sorry you seem to have the same problem as the judge in the case. He does not look for or see the evidence in the case but then, he is legally blind. N To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques means they simply did not bear fruit for you, that's all. Any point value can open to the infinite. Caste status, tradition means nothing. That's all crap that the mind chews on and judges..yes...no...yes...no. I'm happy your techniques and tradition bear fruit for you. I can say some pretty strong things regarding MMY's crazy and at times offensive behavior, but I never can doubt his status as a great realizer of Brahman. Guru Dev, MMY, Punditji. These are three very big boys! Was this addressed to me or off_world? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
Nice experience Ken. I'm not a fanatic with Punditji saying everyone must do his program or some such thing, but if you like saints, go an see him if you have the chance. It's usually a very nice expereince at worst and a real life changer at best! We became way to fanatic about other saints in the TMO as has been pointed out in this group several times. Brahman comes in all sorts of packages and flavors. Namaste to them all. -Peter --- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An old dear friend, Richard Bradley, one of the wildest people to grace Fairfield in many a year, also moved to Bay area in the late '80s and became an ardent Punditji follower. He was forever trying to convince me to come and see Punditji when he came through the area, which was often way back when. Finally, just to shut Richard up I agreed to guy, I was prepared to sit and endure a few hours to make a friend happy. I was very pleasantly surprised by the delightful radiance, as you describe, that permeated the hall, and found myself increasinly lighthearted and happy as the time passed. It didn't make me want to become a devotee, but it was very uplifting I went up and met Punditji and spoke with him after and that was a real hit also. He was very accesible. Maharishi was very gracious to me in that way as well. The last few times I saw him he made it a point of letting me break through the throng trying to get his attention. Those were also special and meaningful moments to me. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly the same Rick. The personality is different: Punditji is much more casual and personable. But that amazing darshan of Brahman just radiates. I was outside his room a two days ago right after he flew in from India and he was taking a short nap, and the Being, for lack of a better term, just rolled through the hallway. It was great to just sit in That. Just like MMY's darshan would profoundly shift my consciousness, Punditji's does the same thing. The next time he comes through the midwest, you should go see him Rick. I know you'd really like him and would appreciate that Being -Peter --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 3:32 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Pundiji left this morning from Ft. Lauderdale airport. Got to spend some time with him in his room this morning just sitting in that amazing darshan. Very subjective judgment, but how would you compare it with Maharishi's darshan? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no articles on the Web that support that claim. Sal Your mind is tuned to not find it. You'll need to cure yourself of that oneday (not a judgement, just a fact). Ever heard of CBS? (I guess no-one has since you say I am the only one who knows that TM is LEGAL to teach in Public Schools. OR PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STOP RELYING ON INTERNET BLOGS FOR YOUR NEWS !!!) http://cbs2chicago.com/health/local_story_071005948.html Three schools nationwide already offer the relaxation technique to students, including a private school in Iowa and a public charter school in Michigan (and one in Baltimore). Students at the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse in Detroit are part of a University of Michigan study to see if meditation really makes a difference in their daily lives. We have found that children who practice T.M. for at least three months period duration have better self-esteem, show higher affect, positive affect, show decreased negative feelings about themselves and are more adaptable in how they think about problems and situations, said Dr. Rita Benn, Ph.D. the University of Michigan researcher . On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Why are you spreading lies Vaj? I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I would be lying if I told you any different. Why did you so easily spread the lie that TM is illegal to be taught in public schools? It has been taught in public schools for over a decade. It is legal, and it always will be legal (of course the fundie redneck christians will never let it be widespread.) TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is legal to teach TM in public schools and always will be. While I think it is a good idea to teach meditation, I'm not sure teaching TM will always be around in our school systems. Number one, I don't have the siddhi of viewing time at the quantum level. Number two, eventually people will realize that this is a violation of church and state. . No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. Which almost ALL other religions require. This is US law and has been verified at the supreme court level. There is no way that this law will change unless Bush succeeds in his fundie crusade to become the saviour of us all. Which he won't. Bush has already crossed the line with his faith based initiatives, the courts will never support an action against such a well scientifically documented technique as TM which does not require belief, or giving up your religion in any way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate ceremony. OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have a Brahmin perform the rite? Who performed the upanayama ceremony? He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about an hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their heads and did other stuff. * MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Hi Peter: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques means they simply did not bear fruit for you, that's all. How would you know if they bore fruit for another or not unless you asked them (or possessed omniscience)? To quote Dr. Pete: You can't claim to have the experience of others. How, therefore, can you assume to know mine? You know what happens when we assume? Caste status, tradition means nothing. That's all crap that the mind chews on and judges..yes...no...yes...no. Well MMY shouldn't then claim to be adhering to the Dharma shastras as the 'lay of the land' and that we all have our natural place in the hierarchy of creation. He should then be denouncing them as antithetical to evolution of sentience. I don't honestly ever expect this to happen. Guru Dev, MMY, Punditji. These are three very big boys! Indeed! Two billionaires and one infinitely rich. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishi was very gracious to me in that way as well. The last few times I saw him he made it a point of letting me break through the throng trying to get his attention. Those were also special and meaningful moments to me. Ken I didn't realize Ken, that you were in that select group of having taught 1000 plus people. I mean that kind of record should mean something to the CEO. What would you say is sports equivilent of that 700 home runs in a career? Come on. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al mantras
-I have heard from a mason that the bija mantras used in tm are also in some of their designs or available, but they don't know what they are. Is this true. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al mantras
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:19 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: -I have heard from a mason that the bija mantras used in tm are also in some of their designs or available, but they don't know what they are. Is this true. Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Why are you spreading lies Vaj? I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I would be lying if I told you any different. Why did you so easily spread the lie that TM is illegal to be taught in public schools? It has been taught in public schools for over a decade. It is legal, and it always will be legal (of course the fundie redneck christians will never let it be widespread.) TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is legal to teach TM in public schools and always will be. While I think it is a good idea to teach meditation, I'm not sure teaching TM will always be around in our school systems. Number one, I don't have the siddhi of viewing time at the quantum level. Number two, eventually people will realize that this is a violation of church and state. . No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. Which almost ALL other religions require. This is US law and has been verified at the supreme court level. There is no way that this law will change unless Bush succeeds in his fundie crusade to become the saviour of us all. Which he won't. Bush has already crossed the line with his faith based initiatives, the courts will never support an action against such a well scientifically documented technique as TM which does not require belief, or giving up your religion in any way. It can be taught but not with public funds. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Your mind is tuned to not find it. My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find anything to support your claim either. And it won't, not until Malnak v Yogi is overturned. I wouldn't hold my breath on thiat one. Ever heard of CBS? (I guess no-one has since you say I am the only one who knows that TM is LEGAL to teach in Public Schools. OR PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STOP RELYING ON INTERNET BLOGS FOR YOUR NEWS !!!) http://cbs2chicago.com/health/local_story_071005948.html Three schools nationwide already offer the relaxation technique to students, including a private school in Iowa and a public charter school in Michigan (and one in Baltimore)>. Students at the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse in Detroit are part of a University of Michigan study to see if meditation really makes a difference in their daily lives. The first is a private school, the second a charter school, both of which are very different from public schools and both of which allow religious study. x-tad-biggerthe charter school does not have to follow the same rules/regs (with the exception of standardized testing) as a public school does. Charter Schools are basically private/independent public schools usually operated by a group of concerned parents, or groups of concerned individuals. Charter schools receive their funding from the school district/government and because of this, there can only be a maximum of 35 hours of religious study (the basics) taught to kids per year. http://www.poconocommuter.com/bboard/display_message.asp?mid=850/x-tad-bigger
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Back from Pundiji
And you don't even have to be on steroids. Sal On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:17 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: I didn't realize Ken, that you were in that select group of having taught 1000 plus people. I mean that kind of record should mean something to the CEO. What would you say is sports equivilent of that 700 home runs in a career?
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right? Bob, you ask an interesting question! It may be possible that MMY realized he was violating Dharma Shastra (read: Natural Law) and stopped his folly? * It was not folly on MMY's part, it was just a way of dealing with children who insisted, wrongly as it turns out, that they were qualified to be Brahmacharis. This reminds me of the anecdote in Nancy Cooke de Herrera's book Beyond Gurus: a guy walking around MMY's ashram one day in India came upon MMY and Tat Wala Baba sitting holding hands on the path. The guy asked if he could join them in meditation and also hold hands -- TWB and MMY demurred, but the guy insisted, so they said OK...next thing the guy knew, it was dark and TWB and MMY were long gone -- the guy had immediately lost consciousness when he held hands with them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Why are you spreading lies Vaj? I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I would be lying if I told you any different. Why did you so easily spread the lie that TM is illegal to be taught in public schools? It has been taught in public schools for over a decade. It is legal, and it always will be legal (of course the fundie redneck christians will never let it be widespread.) TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is legal to teach TM in public schools and always will be. While I think it is a good idea to teach meditation, I'm not sure teaching TM will always be around in our school systems. Number one, I don't have the siddhi of viewing time at the quantum level. Number two, eventually people will realize that this is a violation of church and state. . No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. Which almost ALL other religions require. This is US law and has been verified at the supreme court level. There is no way that this law will change unless Bush succeeds in his fundie crusade to become the saviour of us all. Which he won't. Bush has already crossed the line with his faith based initiatives, the courts will never support an action against such a well scientifically documented technique as TM which does not require belief, or giving up your religion in any way. It can be taught but not with public funds. ** TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#public ) -- but if somebody with legal standing were to file a lawsuit protesting the use of public funds for TM in these schools, it's very unlikely the TMO would prevail in court. The reason why nobody is making a fuss so far is that these are charter schools, where parents choose to send their kids, so nobody's kids have to be there unless they want them to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: It was not folly on MMY's part, it was just a way of dealing with children who insisted, wrongly as it turns out, that they were qualified to be Brahmacharis. Interesting if true. This reminds me of the anecdote in Nancy Cooke de Herrera's book Beyond Gurus: a guy walking around MMY's ashram one day in India came upon MMY and Tat Wala Baba sitting holding hands on the path. The guy asked if he could join them in meditation and also hold hands -- TWB and MMY demurred, but the guy insisted, so they said OK...next thing the guy knew, it was dark and TWB and MMY were long gone -- the guy had immediately lost consciousness when he held hands with them. Interesting. TWB was a siddha, no wonder! His successor has had some interesting things to say about the perversion of Patanjali by MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . The Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to the meditation program. I always thought the Jim Jones event in Guiana was a nail in the coffin of the TM movement. People became very wary of cults and cultish figures. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
In a message dated 3/26/05 6:38:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I bet MMY is still that way. Yeah , but just try getting in the same room with him! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right? Right. And since he wasn't overly successful himself, maybe he felt a tad unqualified to be making brahmacharis. But no sense in rehashing that discussion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in Hinduism. It requires you to be present at a prana-prasthitha rite. No? These TM-in-school programs have only survived because they are off the radar for most Christians, as is TM. If they began to become more common, the fundies would go ballistic. Perhaps someday they will lose their clout and TM or its equivalent will be taught in the schools. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Sal Are you blind? TM is taught in public schools in the US right now. It is legal to do so. What does that tell you about the law? It is possible that the fundie christians will never let it be widespread (but will try as many toxic pharmaceuticals on their addh children as possible.and are REALLY screwing them up.), but that seems unlikely , especially in light of the fact that a judge in Missouri is sentancing people to TM) Two things that make people here hopping mad: 1. A non-meditating judge in Missouri is sentancing offenders to TM. 2. TM is legally taught as a general school policy in some public schools with great success. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Your mind is tuned to not find it. My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find anything to support your claim either. And it won't, not until Malnak v Yogi is overturned. I wouldn't hold my breath on thiat one. Ever heard of CBS? (I guess no-one has since you say I am the only one who knows that TM is LEGAL to teach in Public Schools. OR PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STOP RELYING ON INTERNET BLOGS FOR YOUR NEWS !!!) http://cbs2chicago.com/health/local_story_071005948.html Three schools nationwide already offer the relaxation technique to students, including a private school in Iowa and a public charter school in Michigan (and one in Baltimore). Students at the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse in Detroit are part of a University of Michigan study to see if meditation really makes a difference in their daily lives. The first is a private school, the second a charter school, both of which are very different from public schools and both of which allow religious study. the charter school does not have to follow the same rules/regs (with the exception of standardized testing) as a public school does. Charter Schools are basically private/independent public schools usually operated by a group of concerned parents, or groups of concerned individuals. Charter schools receive their funding from the school district/government and because of this, there can only be a maximum of 35 hours of religious study (the basics) taught to kids per year. http://www.poconocommuter.com/bboard/display_message.asp?mid=850 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took place? In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx, and ended up getting money and initiating nearly the entire faculty of this bombed out school in the middle of what had to be the worst neighborhood in the five boroughs. The principal was so impressed after the first couple of batches of teachers learned, that he pulled money earmarked for the school psychologist so the rest of the faculty could learn. After the 3 days of checking, the 10 day follow up I never saw any of those people again. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Why are you spreading lies Vaj? I'm not. What is present as TM (etc.) is Neo-Vedic Hinduism. I would be lying if I told you any different. Why did you so easily spread the lie that TM is illegal to be taught in public schools? It has been taught in public schools for over a decade. It is legal, and it always will be legal (of course the fundie redneck christians will never let it be widespread.) TM is taught in public schools and has been for over 10 years. It is legal to teach TM in public schools and always will be. While I think it is a good idea to teach meditation, I'm not sure teaching TM will always be around in our school systems. Number one, I don't have the siddhi of viewing time at the quantum level. Number two, eventually people will realize that this is a violation of church and state. . No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. Which almost ALL other religions require. This is US law and has been verified at the supreme court level. There is no way that this law will change unless Bush succeeds in his fundie crusade to become the saviour of us all. Which he won't. Bush has already crossed the line with his faith based initiatives, the courts will never support an action against such a well scientifically documented technique as TM which does not require belief, or giving up your religion in any way. It can be taught but not with public funds. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!! kh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right? Right. And since he wasn't overly successful himself, maybe he felt a tad unqualified to be making brahmacharis. But no sense in rehashing that discussion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in Hinduism. It requires you to be present at a prana-prasthitha rite. No? These TM-in-school programs have only survived because they are off the radar for most Christians, as is TM. If they began to become more common, the fundies would go ballistic. Perhaps someday they will lose their clout and TM or its equivalent will be taught in the schools. I believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and it will be a fast downward slide. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Freemasons et al mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:19 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: -I have heard from a mason that the bija mantras used in tm are also in some of their designs or available, but they don't know what they are. Is this true. Yes. You still didn't answer my question about what they hid a Rosslyn. If you don't know that, you don't know much about them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 9:38 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in Hinduism. It requires you to be present at a prana-prasthitha rite. No? These TM-in-school programs have only survived because they are off the radar for most Christians, as is TM. If they began to become more common, the fundies would go ballistic. Perhaps someday they will lose their clout and TM or its equivalent will be taught in the schools. I believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and it will be a fast downward slide. I hope you're right, but I won't hold my breath. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 9:36 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!! kh Who me? Yeah, gotta stir the pot every now and then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is being taught with public funds at the charter schools in Mich and MD (and it ain't cheap, $625/yr per student -- see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#public ) -- but if somebody with legal standing were to file a lawsuit protesting the use of public funds for TM in these schools, it's very unlikely the TMO would prevail in court. The reason why nobody is making a fuss so far is that these are charter schools, where parents choose to send their kids, so nobody's kids have to be there unless they want them to. I Think I will file a suit or tell the local bible thumpers. ** You would have no legal standing, not being a local or state of michigan taxpayer. However, feel free to get the bible thumpers going, they've got to find a new thing once terri schiavo drools her last in a few hours. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other religions. It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in Hinduism. It requires you to be present at a prana-prasthitha rite. No? These TM-in-school programs have only survived because they are off the radar for most Christians, as is TM. If they began to become more common, the fundies would go ballistic. Perhaps someday they will lose their clout and TM or its equivalent will be taught in the schools. The two contract schools (in Baltimore and Detriot) where TM is being used are all-black schools, and it may be that black parents are more willing, given the usually desperately bad conditions prevalent in big city black schools, to experiment with TM to see if it helps their kids. Since no white children are involved, these schools are off the radar of many fundies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone remember when the NJ court case and ruling actually took place? In late 79-early 80, I wrote a grant to the Bd of Ed of the City of NY, at the request of a middle school principal in the South Bronx, and ended up getting money and initiating nearly the entire faculty of this bombed out school in the middle of what had to be the worst neighborhood in the five boroughs. The principal was so impressed after the first couple of batches of teachers learned, that he pulled money earmarked for the school psychologist so the rest of the faculty could learn. After the 3 days of checking, the 10 day follow up I never saw any of those people again. Ken * People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it did not work out well: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/more2.html#coors To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . The Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to the meditation program. Two things that make people here hopping mad: 1. A non-meditating judge in Missouri is sentancing offenders to TM. 2. TM is legally taught as a general school policy in some public schools with great success, and with public funds. *** I'm definitely on the side of kids' learning TM, but because their meditating parents got them to start, not because they had to as a school assignment, which I don't see working as a strategy in the U.S. Nevertheless, if the two charter schools do survive, it will be good for the TM movement, and for the kids involved. However, many charter schools are having problems, and they can disappear in a hurry: http://www.tft250.org/Ohio's_charter_schools.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it did not work out well: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/more2.html#coors I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope that some dictator or factory owner was going to mandate TM on his citizens/employees. He tried repeatedly to get this to happen and it always flopped. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it did not work out well: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/more2.html#coors I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope that some dictator or factory owner was going to mandate TM on his citizens/employees. He tried repeatedly to get this to happen and it always flopped. *** Right, which is why the movement needs a manager who is familiar with the culture of a country (_and_ is not a fatuous clown like Bevan, Hagelin, blah,blah,blah) to promote TM effectively -- MMY, a Hindu monk, can't be that manager, not even in India (because a recluse monk is a real poor social engineer), which is why he left in the 50s since he realized that he lacked the knowledge of how to promote TM quickly enough: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 (you have possibly seen this post from me previously) If MMY does not do something dramatic before he dies (and with the announcement of Sat Yuga this July, this is a possibility), sooner or later retard management will be booted out by some organized person who, with the support of all the meditators who are fed up with the useful grandstanding of the current movement, will put the promotion of TM on a rational track. However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the near future, and then it won't matter how messed up the movement is -- MMY used to say that the time would come when people would be banging on the doors of TM teachers late at night demanding to be initiated -- yogic fliers on the evening news (actually flying) would certainly fulfill that forecast. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would have no legal standing, not being a local or state of michigan taxpayer. However, feel free to get the bible thumpers going, they've got to find a new thing once terri schiavo drools her last in a few hours. They've already latched on to that finger found in a bowl of Wendy's chili: http://tinyurl.com/4ouwd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji
When I met him he scowled and so did I. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Back from Pundiji In a message dated 3/26/05 3:42:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 3/26/05 3:32 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Pundiji left this morning from Ft. Lauderdale airport. Got to spend some time with him in his room this morning just sitting in that amazing darshan.Very subjective judgment, but how would you compare it with Maharishi'sdarshan? I don't like to talk about my experiences much but the first time I ever saw Punditji the whole time I was in the room with him listening to him speak I could see brilliant gold light pouring out of the top of his head cascading over his shoulders. It looked more like molting gold than just light. I have seen this with M. My impression was thatthis is what MMY was like in his youth.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the near future, What makes you think so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the near future, What makes you think so? * My own experiences -- not to brag, but after eating at Taco Bell, I achieve significant lift-off. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the near future, What makes you think so? * My own experiences -- not to brag, but after eating at Taco Bell, I achieve significant lift-off. I used to hand out See's candies on governor training. That sugar rush is great for lift off. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Sunday - God Is - Period
Title: DailyPage_10 March 27, 2005 - God Is - Period We must not portray you in king's robes, you drifting mist that brought forth the morning. Once again, from the old paint boxes we take the same gold for scepter and crown that has disguised you through the ages. Piously we produce our images of you till they stand around you like a thousand walls. And when our heart would simply open, our fervent hands hide you. Ranier Maria Rilke Rilke's Book of Hours Barrows Macy, tr. Our ideas of Him and us are just ideas that do not cast so much as a shadow in Reality. Carson's Commentary Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Christina and Bert, I sometimes get discouraged because of the gap between my awareness and my thoughts and actions. I need your daily source of information and inspiration. Your messages help me. Thank you. Regards, Jim Jansen Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States Fairfield Friends, we welcome your comments. http://www.thedailyinspiration.com/ Bert and Christina CarsonFuturePoint Communication6868 Moores Mill RoadHuntsville, Alabama 35811 -Phone 256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List click here "Of what can I speak save of that which is even now moving within your souls.fromThe Prophetby Kahlil Gibran To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Euthanasia FYI
1. Where are euthanasia and assisted suicide legal? Oregon, the Netherlands and Belgium are the only jurisdictions in the world where laws specifically permit euthanasia or assisted suicide. Oregon permits assisted suicide.(1) The Netherlands and Belgium permit both euthanasia and assisted suicide.(2) http://www.euthanasia.com/page4.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
