[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. It's on mine. Glad to hear you like it. And you're exactly right about the relationship of life and the movies. The ending of Purple Rose, plotwise, is a little sad, up until the moment when Mia Farrow's char- acter, with nowhere else to go, goes to the movies. Up on screen is Fred Astaire, dancing, and life is livable again, because no universe with Fred Astaire in it can keep you down for long. Jeff Daniels is absolutely *marvelous* in that movie -- one of Woody's best. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/25/05 3:11 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/25/05 12:50 PM, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A true spiritual master shows you how to be your own master. I don't see MMY/MCS EVER dabbling in this sort of counterproductive thinking! One thing is only obvious once one can gain some perspective (e.g. after one has met a real master of meditation or yoga) or simply has deep discrimination (between the real and the phony). Once one has met the former, it's immediately obvious what MMY represents. Just to be fair, someone should point out that what you're calling a real master may just be one that appeals to your sensibilities or predilection. But that is not what I am referring to. Consider for example traditions which demand you train in the specific experiences and learn them from someone who's 'been there, done that'. There is verification all along the way--if you're a master of something--there also should be a reason you are called that, not merely because you grew a beard and put on a silk dhoti and can rehash what the pundits feed you ;-). Agreed. My main problem is with the use of the word master. I try to NEVER use it, because of its dual meaning, and propensity for students to confuse one with the other. It's the same reason I try NEVER to refer to someone attaining enlightenment or reaching enlightenment, or becoming enlightened. It's an inaccurate and potentially misleading term. So, in my opinion, is master. Ick. Never touch the stuff. :-) But you've got a point about being able to walk the walk. What I was poking fun at in my reply above is the assumption that you've met a real master. As I pointed out to gerbal, hat's an assumption that is based on your Experience So Far, and your personal definition of real could change tomorrow. That's all. If someone is a master they should have mastered the states they speak of and be capable of leading others to that experience, themselves being master of the various practices which are used for differing students. Furthermore they should possess the signs of such mastery. That's your opinion, which I respect, but don't neces- sarily agree with. I am unconvinced that *any* teacher inherently has the ability to lead others to permanent enlightenment. Lead them to experiences along the Way, many of them having the qualities of enlightenment, no problem. But permanent enlightenment is not something that anyone can be led to, IMO. They have to discover it themselves. Just a language nitpick, but it speaks to my own personal definition of a real teacher, if I had one. :-) Bottom line for me is that people tend to get the teachers their selves think they can handle. At the point where their selves get uncomfortable with the teacher, either because the self is diminshed and doesn't need that teacher any more or because the teacher is pushing the self's buttons and it is afraid of diminishing, people move on. No problem, either way. I don't believe that there exists a teacher that can go the whole Way with you, whoever you are. In a valid, living tradition none of this should be ambiguous or vague, but clear and present. Should? I thought we were dealing with real life. :-) As a couple of us have mentioned on this list and a.m.t, this often means having a guru mantra so you too can become the guru. 'There should be no old students.' Should again. What ever happened to different strokes for different folks? And what about those seekers who are not in any way turned on by guru yoga, for whom it such a process is completely contrary to their predilection? Should they be forced to submit to a process that is not in line with what activates higher perceptions for them, or might they be happier with an uncertified teacher from a tradition that doesn't believe in gurus? These are just question, Vaj. You've been making declar- ations again, and I'm not challenging them, within the frame of reference that they exist in, merely pointing out that there are other frames of reference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'The Purifying Rain FallING/Due to Gravity...'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
As I just pointed out to Vaj, you might want to be careful that you're not simply mistaking your current point of view for wisdom and your current limited definition of a real teacher for reality. As you yourself said, just one post ago: The vast majority forgets and then does it again, certain (yes, that difficult word that ascertains our demise again and again) they have got it right this time. :-) I think you are right; but it has been near a 40 year endeavour and I have found a techer who teaches in the way he was taught, which was the way his teacher was taught, and so on. Cool. Wasn't seeking to diminish that, only to point out that 40 years from now (karma willing) you might have a different opinion of him as well. Long ago I became very cynical and skeptical about my own abilities to evaluate things. So I have done a lot of searching and questioning. Responses, like yours above (which I think is very apt) have also been invaluable guides along the way. In my case as well. That's one reason I like FFL. :-) Hopefully we'll NEVER figure it all out. What would be left to do for fun? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
Just to be fair, someone should point out that what you're calling a real master may just be one that appeals to your sensibilities or predilection. Not sure if you were addressing Vaj or G (me); but from my perspective, I follow the advice given by HH the Dalai Lama: examine your teacher, even if it takes you 12 years. Can't knock the Dalai Lama. I make no assumptions about his enlightenment or lack thereof, even having met him, but I respect him thoroughly. No one, in my opinion, could have done a better job of being the most visible Buddhist on the planet. When I (G) say real spiritual master, I mean someone who has demonstrated his own achievements to my questioning, skeptical mind and then laid out for me what I have to do if I want to get there. Cool. Important clarification. Then, I try it (complete with bitching and stupid questions) and see what happens. Great plan. Something I learned from MMY/MCS: others may notice something before you do. And after. Otherwise, why are there so many TBs? :-) That's not altogether off track. I take the remarks of others with the proverbial grain of sodium chloride -- but a home truth or two isn't always amiss, one way or another. Another great plan. The stuff you hear on boards like this one is a lot like the stuff you hear from teachers. Some of it goes in one chakra and out another, some of it sticks. If it proves useful, even for a short while, IMO the source doesn't matter. I've had great spiritual revelations from movies (obviously, given the currently-active thread) and from bums I've met on the street. I don't have to think of them as my formal spiritual teachers, but in one sense all of them were. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All Whit Stillman films -- which unfortunately are rare -- only three so far. The Last Days of Disco Barcelona Metropolitan Also for the chick warrior category, Whale Rider. The Great Escape seems symbolically relevant. Great reminders all. Thanks again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Can't knock the Dalai Lama. I can. I simply cannot understand all the hoopla about this man. His teaching of non-violence helped enable the slaughter of 1.5 million of his people by the Red Chinese. A little less ultra-non-violence and a little more nuclear ultra violence would have gone a long way to saving those 1.5 million. I make no assumptions about his enlightenment or lack thereof, even having met him, but I respect him thoroughly. No one, in my opinion, could have done a better job of being the most visible Buddhist on the planet. [snip] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? You noticed that, eh? Could Maharishi EVER have been certified as a guru within Guru Dev's tradition? If not, then by definition he wasn't speaking about him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Barry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Email me on the side. I want to ask you something. Rushing to get dressed and leave for work right now. There's an email link for me hidden under the Uncle Tantra link at the bottom of my Road Trip Mind home page. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? You noticed that, eh? Could Maharishi EVER have been certified as a guru within Guru Dev's tradition? If not, then by definition he wasn't speaking about him. Lots of other reasons too, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement
Valued by whom? Assets, unless they are cash or readily tradeable stocks or bonds, are subject to remarkably wide ranges of valuation. Something which an auditor might claim to be worth $187 million might, if push came to shove, be worth only $5 million. I've seen Movement valuations in the past that were based on what donors said their stock donations in privately held, lying-through-their-teeth-financial-statment companies were worth. Ultimately, something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. And I would bet considerable amounts of money that the assets in the World Peace Fund weren't worth anything close to a real $187 million. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I don't think *he* is lying about where the money goes. I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews, into whose pockets the money all goes. How do you know? I don't. But that's my intuition. I trust it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone in the TMO. So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of millions of dollars based on...? As stated earlier (and ignored), intuition. And the oft-proven fact that no one in the TMO I have *ever* met seemed to have a clue as to the real nature of its finances, or care enough to find out. I'd be willing to bet that this situation has not changed. When Maharishi dies, people will try to find out, and discover that there isn't *nearly* as much money as they thought there was. No one will know where the rest went. And they *still* won't care. The World Peace Fund had $187 million in it a few years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Jesus,Buddha,Maharishi/Where There Is No War...'
On Earth As It Is In Heaven; Gives The Formula; For 'Heaven On Earth'/ For Heaven on Earth; WillOnly Be Possible; When We Give Up; Our 'Addiction to Power, and War. It's Up to Us; Me and You. To pray for peace; Meditate for peace. Peace. Pax. Shalom. That's It. Robert Gimbel Seattle,Washington, U.S.of America. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Barry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Email me on the side. I want to ask you something. Rushing to get dressed and leave for work right now. There's an email link for me hidden under the Uncle Tantra link at the bottom of my Road Trip Mind home page. Actually, now that I think about it, there are two Barrys here that I know of. If you were specifying the other one, never mind... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm Interesting. I found that one of the verses makes me wonder who the translator was, and what liberties he/she might have taken. The verse in question is: Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain sumum bonum as well. The misspelled term 'sumum bonum' struck me as odd, so I looked it up on Wikipedia: Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center. In my ignorance of anything about Guru Dev's life, is it likely that he would have known about and used such a Latin phrase, aware of its background, or is it more likely that a Christian translator was using a phrase that was meaningful to him/her to translate the phrase the greatest good in Hindi, spoken by Guru Dev with no other connotations than the greatest good? Word nitpicking, I know, but interesting... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
From my experience of dealing with the vocabulary of Guru Dev, I can assure you that I have never found him using any Latin. However, I there are many English words e.g. Governor, minister, loud-speaker, no desire etc. I am confident that the translator did a pretty good job, some of the quotations are almost exact matches for Hindi quotations I have already translated myself. Though, having said that, I would question his use of words such as 'veteran' and 'noble'. The confusion over the words 'is' and 'are' rule out a native English speaker, though in probability the words that Guru Dev used could pedantically be translated in this way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm Interesting. I found that one of the verses makes me wonder who the translator was, and what liberties he/she might have taken. The verse in question is: Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain sumum bonum as well. The misspelled term 'sumum bonum' struck me as odd, so I looked it up on Wikipedia: Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center. In my ignorance of anything about Guru Dev's life, is it likely that he would have known about and used such a Latin phrase, aware of its background, or is it more likely that a Christian translator was using a phrase that was meaningful to him/her to translate the phrase the greatest good in Hindi, spoken by Guru Dev with no other connotations than the greatest good? Word nitpicking, I know, but interesting... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Down In Monterey'/Jazz Festival/September Dates...'
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[FairfieldLife] 'Bush Needs Vacation'/'From His Vacation...'
Printer-Friendly By MAUREEN DOWD Published: August 24, 2005 W. vacationed so hard in Texas he got bushed. He needed a vacation from his vacation. The most rested president in American history headed West yesterday to get away from his Western getaway - and the mushrooming Crawford Woodstock - and spend a couple of days at the Tamarack Resort in the rural Idaho mountains. Skip to next paragraph Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times More Columns by Maureen Dowd Forum: Maureen Dowd's Columns "I'm kind of hangin' loose, as they say," he told reporters. As The Financial Times noted, Mr. Bush is acting positively French in his love of le loafing, with 339 days at his ranch since he took office - nearly a year out of his five. Most Americans, on the other hand, take fewer vacations than anyone else in the developed world (even the Japanese), averaging only 13 to 16 days off a year. W. didn't go alone, of course. Just as he took his beloved feather pillow on the road during his 2000 campaign, now he takes his beloved bike. An Air Force One steward tenderly unloaded W.'s $3,000 Trek Fuel mountain bike when they landed in Boise. Gas is guzzling toward $3 a gallon. U.S. troop casualties in Iraq are at their highest levels since the invasion. As Donald Rumsfeld conceded yesterday, "The lethality, however, is up." Afghanistan's getting more dangerous, too. The defense secretary says he's raising troop levels in both places for coming elections. So our overextended troops must prepare for more forced rotations, while the president hangs loose. I mean, I like to exercise, but W. is psychopathic about it. He interviewed one potential Supreme Court nominee, Harvie Wilkinson III, by asking him how much he exercised. Last winter, Mr. Bush was obsessed with his love handles, telling people he was determined to get rid of seven pounds. Shouldn't the president worry more about body armor than body fat? Instead of calling in Karl Rove to ask him if he'd leaked, W. probably called him in to order him to the gym. The rest of us may be fixated on the depressing tableau in Iraq, where the U.S. seems to be delivering a fundamentalist Islamic state into the dirty hands of men like Ahmad Chalabi, who conned the neocons into pushing for war, and his ally Moktada al-Sadr, the Shiite cleric who started two armed uprisings against U.S. troops. It was his militiamen who ambushed Casey Sheehan's convoy in Sadr City. America has caved on Iraqi women's rights. In fact, the women's rights activists supported by George and Laura Bush may have to leave Iraq. But, as a former C.I.A. Middle East specialist, Reuel Marc Gerecht, said on "Meet the Press," U.S. democracy in 1900 didn't let women vote. If Iraqi democracy resembled that, "we'd all be thrilled," he said. "I mean, women's social rights are not critical to the evolution of democracy." Yesterday, the president hailed the constitution establishing an Islamic republic as "an amazing process," and said it "honors women's rights, the rights of minorities." Could he really think that? Or is he following the Vietnam model - declaring victory so we can leave? The main point of writing a constitution was to move Sunnis into the mainstream and make them invested in the process, thereby removing the basis of the insurgency. But the Shiites and Kurds have frozen out the Sunnis, enhancing their resentment. So the insurgency is more likely to be inflamed than extinguished. For political reasons, the president has a history of silence on America's war dead. But he finally mentioned them on Monday because it became politically useful to use them as a rationale for war - now that all the other rationales have gone up in smoke. "We owe them something," he told veterans in Salt Lake City (even though his administration tried to shortchange the veterans agency by $1.5 billion). "We will finish the task that they gave their lives for." What twisted logic: with no W.M.D., no link to 9/11 and no democracy, now we have to keep killing people and have our kids killed because so many of our kids have been killed already? Talk about a vicious circle: the killing keeps justifying itself. Just because the final reason the president came up with for invading Iraq - to create a democracy with freedom of religion and minority rights - has been dashed, why stop relaxing? W. is determined to stay the course on bike trails all over the West. This president has never had to pull all-nighters or work very hard, because Daddy's friends always gave him a boost when he flamed out. When was the last time Mr. Bush saw the clock strike midnight? At these prices, though, I guess he can't afford to burn the midnight oil. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas L. Friedman is on vacation.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching. :-) Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing would happen :- ) How do you know... Because when there is no watcher/watchee, nothing happens :-) But how would you know? Self-evident ... Stepping outside the three gunas -- so that Self (observer) and All- that-is are (observed) not different -- is analogous to looking at the torus from outside, and seeing Vishnu coalesce from the outer shell into the base of the inner double-cone (as Sattva); Brahma rotate as the singularity at the center of the double- cone (as Rajas); and Shiva disperse at the top of the double-cone outwards into the outer shell (as Tamas) -- and yet, because one is no longer involved in the movie(s) within this Brahman-torus, nothing actually happens; the whole thing is in stasis. This might be akin to the Work of Byron Katie, wherein when we inquire into the stories of our suffering, we may realize that we have been projecting all of it -- resolving it back into the radiant clarity and loving fullness of our own emptiful not- happening :- ) So why does Vishnu blend with Brahma, and Brahma blend with Shiva, but Shiva and Vishnu are absolutely distinct from one another? Great question! I used to ask this about Sattva and Tamas, which were always held to be total opposites and unmixable. I never really got this until seeing their polar functions in the Torus -- and understanding them as analogous to magnetic poles does help. Even if we see Sattva in its conventional sense as Light and Tamas as Dark, though, it really does make sense. However, it's interesting that Siva/Tamas/the Black Hole is (from the point of view outside the Torus anyhow) actually dispersing outward, rather than spiraling inward, and Vishnu/Sattva/the White Hole is spiraling inward, rather than dispersing outward... Yes, perfect sense! And paradoxical with regard to the 'story' I always wanted to tell myself, and even my cognition of Vishnu's vibration recently as very sattvic, but I digress... In other words, what does that transition on the outside of the torus, between the ultimate decay of Shiva, and the growing pregnancy of Vishnu look like or represent? it appears to be a gap of undifferentiated potential; Absolute stillness. No gunas. Or is there something there? FWIW I see a golden ring occupying that gap, with spokes to that ring emanating from the singularity/Brahma-point :-) Oh right! I remember now you mentioning this awhile back, before I was able to see it. Now it makes perfect sense that the golden ring would be there. Nothing else quite fits, does it? Ah, so not quite a gap, which given Vishnu and Shiva didn't quite resolve the vibrational qualities of each...though the golden ring with spokes to Brahma does! Hmmm, thank you again! Yes, it would appear to correlate to that golden quality of No- space, No-time identity with the Solar Angel which one might take to be Brahma -- incidentally, Bentov also spoke of this fusion with one's Solar Angel on that same Sidhis-prep course, perhaps a year or so before I came across the phenomenon:-) Fusion with one's Solar Angel? Is that the source of divine
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
On 8/26/05 2:18 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What ever happened to different strokes for different folks? And what about those seekers who are not in any way turned on by guru yoga, for whom it such a process is completely contrary to their predilection? Then it's not for them, however it's important to point out what I mean by guru yoga may not be what you think I mean. I am not referring to guru worship or guru adulation but the process of being the guru yourself. Generally there are outer, inner, secret and super-secret aspects of unification with the guru (where the word secret means self-secret). Should they be forced to submit to a process that is not in line with what activates higher perceptions for them, or might they be happier with an uncertified teacher from a tradition that doesn't believe in gurus? Different gurus for different people. Some siddhas had non-human gurus from other dimensions. There was one siddha whose guru was his dog. The possibilities are truly endless. One of the guru-yogas I use is for a master from the Treta yuga. Now this human no longer manifests a form in the physical dimension, but sure enough this process and method specific to his teaching taps you into that stream of consciousness. It's like he never died and it's also like nudging that own aspect of the teaching inside into awake mode. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 'Lincoln, Nebraska- America/Maharishi's Peace Park Project...'
Note: forwarded message attached. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- LINCOLN, Neb. The Prairie Peace Park is making way for a Peace Palace.The "Amber Waves of Grain" area consists of 32-thousand wooden cones that depict the U-S- nuclear arsenal during the Cold War. That, other sculptures and exhibits will be replaced by a 12-thousand-square-foot building in which transcendental meditation and other classes will be taught. The land near the Crete/Pleasant Dale exit from Interstate 80 is being bought by Global Country World Peace, based in Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. The town was incorporated in 2001 to accompany the Maharishi University of Management near Fairfield, Iowa. The school and town are centers for transcendental meditation. Eric Michener is local director of Global Country World Peace. He said the group plans to build three-thousand peace palaces across the country. See: http://www.tm.org/ His HolinessMaharishi Mahesh Yogi Founder of the TranscendentalMeditation program50 years around the world Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction - Now Peace Fund $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valued by whom? Assets, unless they are cash or readily tradeable stocks or bonds, are subject to remarkably wide ranges of valuation. Something which an auditor might claim to be worth $187 million might, if push came to shove, be worth only $5 million. I've seen Movement valuations in the past that were based on what donors said their stock donations in privately held, lying-through-their-teeth-financial-statment companies were worth. Ultimately, something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. And I would bet considerable amounts of money that the assets in the World Peace Fund weren't worth anything close to a real $187 million. That was definitely true in 1999 when the Fund was valued at close to $600 million and it looks like over $200 million of that was GlobalLink stock which was probably already worthless by then. In 2003 there was some cash and stock in the Fund, but it was almost all real estate. My guess is all the hotels that the tmo has been selling lately were in there - have no idea if the market price is close to what was on the books. PS. It seems Hartnett made out OK in his dealings with the mov't. Got huge tax write-offs for donating essentially worthless stock and got out of his big mortgage on the headquarters building by selling it to the tmo for a million dollars when no-one else was interested -- the tmo raising the money from local donations under the ruse it was for King Tony who come here to live, bringing some sort of divine vedic rulership with him -- how is it the donors keep forgetting so easily the grand schemes for which their $$ went? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] slight change in directive to recerts
I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. What stuff is the TMO going to pay for? As you say, the tmo expects the developer to finance the building costs. Also I think recerts are still trying to sell RAM Bonds which is just another word for donation. Do you mean pay for the land? When it came time to put real money down for mall leases the grand plan fizzled. I still think MMY sees the US as a place from where funds come to him, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Sympathy For The Pres.'
Please allow me to introduce our Pres. He's a man of wealth and taste; He's been around for a long, long time; Drove many a man's soul to waste; Now Cindy Sheehan wants; To reveal our Pres. For the man he really is? Who will be the first to say; I've had enough soul's to waste? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA. USA Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] slight change in directive to recerts
Why in the world would a developer work with the TMO in constructing a peace palace? Hey you, build us a huge building, you finance everything and let us name the building and have several floors in the building for a really cheap rate. I can see developers just lining up to do this! This is such stupid thinking, as usual, from the TMO. Thought up by people with absolutely no experience with little r reality. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching. :-) Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing would happen :- ) How do you know... Because when there is no watcher/watchee, nothing happens :-) But how would you know? Self-evident ... Stepping outside the three gunas -- so that Self (observer) and All- that-is are (observed) not different -- is analogous to looking at the torus from outside, and seeing Vishnu coalesce from the outer shell into the base of the inner double-cone (as Sattva); Brahma rotate as the singularity at the center of the double- cone (as Rajas); and Shiva disperse at the top of the double- cone outwards into the outer shell (as Tamas) -- and yet, because one is no longer involved in the movie(s) within this Brahman-torus, nothing actually happens; the whole thing is in stasis. This might be akin to the Work of Byron Katie, wherein when we inquire into the stories of our suffering, we may realize that we have been projecting all of it -- resolving it back into the radiant clarity and loving fullness of our own emptiful not- happening :- ) So why does Vishnu blend with Brahma, and Brahma blend with Shiva, but Shiva and Vishnu are absolutely distinct from one another? Great question! I used to ask this about Sattva and Tamas, which were always held to be total opposites and unmixable. I never really got this until seeing their polar functions in the Torus -- and understanding them as analogous to magnetic poles does help. Even if we see Sattva in its conventional sense as Light and Tamas as Dark, though, it really does make sense. However, it's interesting that Siva/Tamas/the Black Hole is (from the point of view outside the Torus anyhow) actually dispersing outward, rather than spiraling inward, and Vishnu/Sattva/the White Hole is spiraling inward, rather than dispersing outward... Yes, perfect sense! And paradoxical with regard to the 'story' I always wanted to tell myself, and even my cognition of Vishnu's vibration recently as very sattvic, but I digress... In other words, what does that transition on the outside of the torus, between the ultimate decay of Shiva, and the growing pregnancy of Vishnu look like or represent? it appears to be a gap of undifferentiated potential; Absolute stillness. No gunas. Or is there something there? FWIW I see a golden ring occupying that gap, with spokes to that ring emanating from the singularity/Brahma-point :-) Oh right! I remember now you mentioning this awhile back, before I was able to see it. Now it makes perfect sense that the golden ring would be there. Nothing else quite fits, does it? Ah, so not quite a gap, which given Vishnu and Shiva didn't quite resolve the vibrational qualities of each...though the golden ring with spokes to Brahma does! Hmmm, thank you again! Yes, it would appear to correlate to that golden quality of No- space, No-time identity with the Solar Angel which one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! It would be really, really, really, really scary if he didn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Cindy Sheehan to Speak 'Live' at 11:30 EDT...'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. What stuff is the TMO going to pay for? As you say, the tmo expects the developer to finance the building costs. Also I think recerts are still trying to sell RAM Bonds which is just another word for donation. Do you mean pay for the land? When it came time to put real money down for mall leases the grand plan fizzled. I still think MMY sees the US as a place from where funds come to him, not the other way around. I didn't know that the TMO never came up with the money for the mall leases -in that case, this is standard operating procedure and will have the standard result: nothing gained and the loss of a few more now-disillusioned people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan to Speak 'Live' at 11:30 EDT...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Give Peace A Chance This is all good stuff, though far more powerful than any demonstration, interview or even prayer is to be truly peaceful within yourself. It achieves two things towards a peaceful world; one, we are our worlds, so once inner peace is stable, we can work with those non- peaceful elements we may identify within ourselves, and unify them with ourselves. Also, once inner peace is a reality, prayer is still good for its focused intention, and yet the radiation of inner peace is a continuous prayer for peace, in and of itself, for it compels the Gods and Goddesses to respond lovingly in kind. Then the world has a chance at being peaceful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Cindy Sheehan's - Mom's Against War(s)//Updates...'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/camp-casey-day-18_b_6184.html Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Wow, saama-veda -recitation course in Estonia!
We are going to have Michel Angot - Samaveda recitation course from September 9th at 20.00 to 11th at 16.00 in Tallinn and Yoga sutra course from Sept.11 at 20.00 t0 Sept 17th at 16.00 in Tallinn We warmly welcome all your people to this course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Message From St. Germaine of Thurs. 25 Aug 2005...'
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:51:14 -0700 From: Milson Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Message from St Germain, 25th August, 2005 ThurAs you would see events upon Earth, they are reaching a critical point when something has to give. The pressures all around cannot help but bring a conclusion of some kind. The energies created for change are coming together and are approaching that level where a quantum leap forward is about to occur. Everything in life is about energy and the place it has in creation. It may take time for events to manifest, as for example the removal of the Berlin Wall, but they will eventually take place. This is because you motivated and charged the changes that you desire. When you move into the higher dimensions, your ability to create is instantaneous through the use of focused thought power. Even in the lower levels such as the astral regions this ability still exists and perhaps you will see that it is quite natural to you. This is why we continually remind you to take care as to what you wish into being, because as it takes time to manifest you do not always associate the result directly with yourself. It is not even necessary for you to consciously desire something, as the thoughts themselves will attract situations to you. It will sound strange, but even though your thoughts could consistently be of something you do not wish to happen, such as something you feared, it would still come to you. You may feel logically that you can repel what it is that is not desirable, but the best approach is to let things be. Take for example one of your regular concerns where your health is required. Many of you are racked by the fear of getting cancer, in fact some people are convinced that they will get it, and sometimes their greatest fears are realized. However, if you can discipline yourself sufficiently to take a positive approach, you can help protect yourself with affirmations that your body is healthy, and praise the main organs of your body for being strong and healthy. The word has power and it can be used for your own protection. If you think of how healing works, through the use of prayer and affirmations you have a perfect example as to what I am referring. The word along with visualization techniques "talks" to your body in which every cell has a consciousness. Body cells talk to each other and are programmed to carry out certain tasks. Because of the perfection of the body and its natural function day in and day out, you probably give little thought as to how it takes place. The body is a great hub of activity that can respond to your input, and if it is abused will let you know so that you can deal with it. Pain for example is there to warn you of danger or injury, fatigue is there to tell you that your energy is spent, and so it goes on where natural functions of the body signal to you when your attention is needed. Now, I do realize that life on Earth is not quite a simple as I have indicated. However you have to approach it from a point of strength and affirm daily what it is that you require. Some of the most successful people in life have had that single pointed desire to achieve a certain goal, and absolutely nothing has detracted them from their aims. Through reasons of karma and your life plan is another factor that comes into play. However, you can still affect the outcome of events in your life even if you cannot stop them. Attitude is so important when you are dealing with problems, and if you can always take a positive view it will lessen the impact that they can have upon you. You will know by now that your prayers are always heard, but that you will not always get the response you hope for, or necessarily when you expected it. However, the energy creates the possibility for a response. When a loved one is ill, you your family and friends consciously or otherwise send loving thoughts to them and this creates an energy around them that has healing qualities. This is how absent healing works, and why some healers ask you for a photograph so that they can use visualization techniques. When you have physical healing, whether or not the healer is aware of it, there is a thought process also involved which is just as important and effective. Dear Ones, whatever it is you desire is within your power to manifest. From life to life you have carried forward certain desires that ultimately have become part of your life plan. You create life around you, and it is no good waiting for it to come to you. Be dynamic and purposeful, be definite and positive as to what it is you require, and it will surely manifest at some time. Look at how you have collectively brought your consciousness to bear upon those who advocate war. You have projected a different scenario of peace and an end to war, and those energies have caused changes to begin that will bring their ultimate manifestation. No physical presence can stop the momentum that has started, and as the old
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. Good point. From their perspective, I hope they get their money's worth, or learn a valuable lesson from this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
You know, I don't think it is that theese people have no experience with reality, including Maharishi. I think they just don't care to participate in everyone else's version of it. It is the way they act out their particular drama. It's the way President George W. Bush operates. Is he unaware of the effect his policies are having on people who aren't wealthy, on the already poor and disenfranchised, on the middle class who are finding themselves increasinlgy unable to finance the American way of life? He cannot be unaware, he just doesn't care to concern himself with it in his own particular version of reality. To me, it seems like MMY/the TMO comes up with these loopy ideas, underneath it all, maybe in their subconcscious mind they are looking to be able to say, See, the world sucks and once again here is the proof, we are offering them Heaven on Earth and these little cockroaches can't see that and allows the sense of self-righteous arrogance to continue. It's just their way of creating their particular blend of drama. That's why I think none of these ideas will ever really amount to much, the drama would be over and that is not what the TMO is looking for. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why in the world would a developer work with the TMO in constructing a peace palace? Hey you, build us a huge building, you finance everything and let us name the building and have several floors in the building for a really cheap rate. I can see developers just lining up to do this! This is such stupid thinking, as usual, from the TMO. Thought up by people with absolutely no experience with little r reality. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
TurquoiseB wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. What I'm looking for is movies that, for you, capture or express something valuable about some aspect of the overall spiritual process. It could be bhakti, or courage (being a spiritual warrior), or psychic powers, or self analysis, or death and dying, or reincarnation, or making breakthroughs in one's own spiritual development, or the teacher- student relationship, or pretty much anything if it turned you on and inspired you. For the record, my list of such films would include weird shit like Conan The Barbarian, Risky Business, Gandhi, Alien, Groundhog Day, Highlander, The Last Wave, The Road Warrior, The Last Temptation of Christ, Little Buddha, The Life of Brian, Seven Years in Tibet, Jacob's Ladder, Don Juan de Marco, Seven Samurai, Thief, Dune, Excalibur, Pow Wow Highway, Cool Runnings, L.A. Story, The Milagro Beanfield War, The Princess Bride, Picnic At Hanging Rock, Being There, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Razor's Edge, Schindler's List, Witness, The Hitcher, It, Back To School, Big Trouble in Little China, The Crow, Shaolin vs. Lama, Spiritual Kung Fu, Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, The Terminator, Windhorse, Legend, Gladiator, Searching For Debra Winger, Million Dollar Baby, Spy Game, The Stepford Wives, Bubba Ho-Tep, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Cup, Travelers and Magicians, Immortal Beloved, Tous les Matins du Monde, The Matrix, Dirty Pretty Things, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Spirited Away, and American Beauty. You get the picture. Anything goes. Violence and blood and horror don't rule a movie out from being spiritual, nor does the subject matter, however in- your-face it might be, if it triggers some revelation in you and turns you on spiritually. Given the potential theme of this book, the more Tantric the better. Thanks in advance... Unc The Mechanic with Christian Bale. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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To me, it seems like MMY/the TMO comes up with these loopy ideas,
underneath it all, maybe in their subconcscious mind they are looking
to be able to say, See, the world sucks and once again here is the
proof, we are offering them Heaven on Earth and these little
cockroaches can't see that and allows the sense of self-righteous
arrogance to continue.
It's just their way of creating their particular blend of drama.
That's why I think none of these ideas will ever really amount to
much, the drama would be over and that is not what the TMO is looking for.
Ken
Interesting idea - that in order for the drama to continue and to keep certain
types of
people hooked, you cannot accomplish your goals. The TMO needs these hopeless
projects. Anyway, all this stuff made it easy for me to disengage and sit
back and watch
the show - we could rationalize it as practice for cc!! I think the next 10
years will be
fascinating. I look forward to it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why in the world would a developer work with the TMO
in constructing a peace palace? Hey you, build us a
huge building, you finance everything and let us name
the building and have several floors in the building
for a really cheap rate. I can see developers just
lining up to do this! This is such stupid thinking, as
usual, from the TMO. Thought up by people with
absolutely no experience with little r reality.
--- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been told that recerts are not to worry about
finding Maharishi Enlightenment
Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which
would be reconfigured). Now they are to
arrange for the building of Peace Palaces.
Apparently, this means that they are to look for
land that says build to suit and to let the
developer handle the financing and building
details. I am only assuming that this means that
the TMO is actually and truly going to
pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone,
even a TB, offering money for this type of
venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good
deal of the money collected over the
years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big
beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the
teachings.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. By big beautiful buildings you mean the plantation-like Carnegy- library-like Greek-fraternity-like columned Peace Palaces I see on the Maharishi websites? that's some physical legacy... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Celebrity Poker and Stephen Collins
Last night I was channel surfing and tuned in to the middle of the two hour Celebrity Poker show on Bravo in which TMer Stephen Collins was one of five celebrities playing No-Limit Texas Hold 'Em. Each of the celebrities plays for the charity of their choice and I think the charity gets $25,000 if their celebrity wins (losers get $5,000 for their charity). Because I was going back and forth from one channel to another, I just missed the part where each celebrity talks a bit about their chosen charity. But after Collins talked about his charity, for the rest of the program there was an occasional quip by the other celebrities about Collins playing for world peace...so I suspect Collins' chosen charity was for MMY's Peace Palaces. Well, I'll tell you who won... [spoiler -- if you don't want to know, don't scroll down any farther...] Collins won. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school? --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. What stuff is the TMO going to pay for? As you say, the tmo expects the developer to finance the building costs. Also I think recerts are still trying to sell RAM Bonds which is just another word for donation. Do you mean pay for the land? When it came time to put real money down for mall leases the grand plan fizzled. I still think MMY sees the US as a place from where funds come to him, not the other way around. The US according to MMY: 1) a place from which to raise unlimited funds; and 2) a place which is the source of all evil in the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction - Now Peace Fund $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valued by whom? Assets, unless they are cash or readily tradeable stocks or bonds, are subject to remarkably wide ranges of valuation. Something which an auditor might claim to be worth $187 million might, if push came to shove, be worth only $5 million. I've seen Movement valuations in the past that were based on what donors said their stock donations in privately held, lying-through-their-teeth-financial-statment companies were worth. Ultimately, something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. And I would bet considerable amounts of money that the assets in the World Peace Fund weren't worth anything close to a real $187 million. That was definitely true in 1999 when the Fund was valued at close to $600 million and it looks like over $200 million of that was GlobalLink stock which was probably already worthless by then. In 2003 there was some cash and stock in the Fund, but it was almost all real estate. My guess is all the hotels that the tmo has been selling lately were in there - have no idea if the market price is close to what was on the books. PS. It seems Hartnett made out OK in his dealings with the mov't. Got huge tax write-offs for donating essentially worthless stock and got out of his big mortgage on the headquarters building by selling it to the tmo for a million dollars when no-one else was interested -- the tmo raising the money from local donations under the ruse it was for King Tony who come here to live, bringing some sort of divine vedic rulership with him -- how is it the donors keep forgetting so easily the grand schemes for which their $$ went? Like big donors to the Catholic Church, they probably think they're buying a ticket into heaven. That's what we've come to... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. What stuff is the TMO going to pay for? As you say, the tmo expects the developer to finance the building costs. Also I think recerts are still trying to sell RAM Bonds which is just another word for donation. Do you mean pay for the land? When it came time to put real money down for mall leases the grand plan fizzled. I still think MMY sees the US as a place from where funds come to him, not the other way around. I didn't know that the TMO never came up with the money for the mall leases -in that case, this is standard operating procedure and will have the standard result: nothing gained and the loss of a few more now-disillusioned people. ...but there's always the TBers who took the recert course and were gung-ho -- at least for a few weeks -- about going out into the field and actually looked for mall space. And from them the TMO will be able to glean some more photographs for future Movement broshures of rosy-cheeked, vacant-staring, smiling faces... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan to Speak 'Live' at 11:30 EDT...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Give Peace A Chance Yes! We should give peace a chance the same way that that genius the Dalai Lama gave peace a chance with the Red Chinese when Mao told him what a wonderful paradise he would build for the Tibetan people... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I would just LOVE to know whether: 1) da King actually GOT the gold; 2) if he did whether it was implicitly understood that he was to just flip the check over and endorse it as a donation back to the Movement; or 3) if he did in fact get the money whether he turned around and invested it in stock or mutual funds of companies from the evil U.S., the source of everything bad in the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan's - Mom's Against War(s)//Updates...'
Who Does Cindy Sheehan Hate? By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | August 26, 2005 Sigmund Freud had a concept he called projection, which has been defined as a defense where the ego deals with unacceptable impulses and/or terrifying anxieties by attributing them to someone in the external world. In many ways I think that explains the behavior of the media's current patron saint, Cindy Sheehan, whose hate rhetoric aimed at President Bush is really meant for someone else who she can't admit even to herself is her real target. To do so would represent one of those unacceptable impulses Dr. Freud was talking about. In this case it could well be that Cindy Sheehan is projecting her rage at George Bush when the one she really despises is her late son Casey, who died as a hero in Iraq, precisely because he did die a hero in Iraq. The more I listen to Cindy Sheehan and consider her past actions and her past words, it occurs to me she has always been a liberal, she's always been anti-military, and she's always been anti-Republican. It appears that she raised Casey in such an environment, yet despite that what does he do? He not only joins the military engaged in a war she bitterly opposes, but to add insult to injury when his enlistment runs out, he re-enlists although he knew that by so doing it meant he would be sent to Iraq where a war his mother despises is being fought. Think about that. What Casey did was to reject not by words but by deeds his mother's most closely-held beliefs. Then, to make matter worse in her eyes, this son volunteers to go on a dangerous mission even his superiors warned him against, and dies as a result. Casey Sheehan's sergeant asked for volunteers. Sheehan had just returned from Mass. After Sheehan volunteered once, the sergeant asked Sheehan again if he wanted to go on the mission. According to many reports (and according to his own mother) Casey responded, Where my chief goes, I go. He went, and it cost him his life. You can almost hear her saying to his spirit, How dare you spurn me and turn your back on me? How dare you go join the military, and then how dare you volunteer to fight against the innocent Iraqi freedom fighters and get yourself killed? Casey Sheehan's heroic action has embittered Cindy Sheehan. And her actions have embittered her family who bitterly resent her exploitation of her son's heroic death in behalf of her political extremism. Here's what they wrote to Matt Drudge: The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our president, silently, with prayer and respect. Cindy Sheehan says she wants to ask the president, Why did you kill my son? She knows that George Bush did not kill her son. The butchers she supports with her far-out liberal activism killed Casey Sheehan and that activism is now resulting in the deaths of other young Americans because she is giving aid and comfort to our enemies and encouraging them to persist in their terrorism, giving them hope that if her views prevail the U.S. will lose its will and pull out. And so the fight goes on, and more Casey Sheehans die as a result. And she says of her son, He died for oil. He died to make your friends, Bush's friends, richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. How dare he? Cindy Sheehan doesn't need to talk to the president. A talk with a therapist would be more appropriate. - --- Mike Reagan, the eldest son of President Ronald Reagan, is heard on more than 200 talk radio stations nationally as part of the Radio America Network. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. What stuff is the TMO going to pay for? As you say, the tmo expects the developer to finance the building costs. Also I think recerts are still trying to sell RAM Bonds which is just another word for donation. Do you mean pay for the land? When it came time to put real money down for mall leases the grand plan fizzled. I still think MMY sees the US as a place from where funds come to him, not the other way around. I didn't know that the TMO never came up with the money for the mall leases -in that case, this is standard operating procedure and will have the standard result: nothing gained and the loss of a few more now-disillusioned people. Sounds like they're phishing for altruistically minded builders to use their money. But I think builders are more hard-nosed than that. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. And it brings up alot of legal issues as well. I don't know what the laws are in Holland where I presume the gift of the gold was made but I assume that, like in the U.S., there ARE laws that govern both gifting and donations. Assuming da King is about 150 lbs. that's 2,400 ounces of gold (16 times 150). At, say, $350 an ounce (I am too lazy to look up both the date of the gift and the price per ounce of gold on that date), that means the fair-market-price of the gift was $840,000. If the $840,000 was given directly by the donor Mr. Berman -- and assuming Mr. Berman is a U.S. citizen at the time residing in the U.S. -- to Tony Nader then it cannot under U.S. law be a tax- deductible donation to a registered charity but a gift which is subject to a gift tax of anywhere from 37% to 50-55% (which Mr. Berman must pay) over $11,000 in a given year. If the $840,000 was given as a legitimate donation to a registered charity, and the charity, in turn, then gave that $840,000 to Tony Nader then: 1) I would assume a registered charity in Holland would be governed by rules which require strict spending of money for purposes directly related to the raison-d'etre of that charity and gifts to individuals would almost most certainly NOT fall under that category...and it would then jeopardize the charity nature and tax- deductible status of the organisation. 2) If Tony Nader then turned around and donated back to the TMO the $840,000, then that creates problems tax-wise for him (from a U.S. perspective...and I assume that even if he is a tax-payer in another country that that other country has similar and almost certainly stricter laws) because an individual is restricted as to how much, as a percentage of total income (or is it adjusted gross income?) that an individual can donate and get a tax deduction in any given year. I would be VERY curious to know what sort of shenanigans went on with the weight in gold episode 'cause I would have to be VERY convinced that everything was done on the up and up! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: slight change in directive to recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To me, it seems like MMY/the TMO comes up with these loopy ideas, underneath it all, maybe in their subconcscious mind they are looking to be able to say, See, the world sucks and once again here is the proof, we are offering them Heaven on Earth and these little cockroaches can't see that and allows the sense of self- righteous arrogance to continue. It's just their way of creating their particular blend of drama. That's why I think none of these ideas will ever really amount to much, the drama would be over and that is not what the TMO is looking for. Ken Interesting idea - that in order for the drama to continue and to keep certain types of people hooked, you cannot accomplish your goals. The TMO needs these hopeless projects. Anyway, all this stuff made it easy for me to disengage and sit back and watch the show And, to boot, you get to still practise TM. So you get the best of both worlds: the benefits of the TM program and freedom from the shackles of having to belong to a cult! - we could rationalize it as practice for cc!! I think the next 10 years will be fascinating. I look forward to it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why in the world would a developer work with the TMO in constructing a peace palace? Hey you, build us a huge building, you finance everything and let us name the building and have several floors in the building for a really cheap rate. I can see developers just lining up to do this! This is such stupid thinking, as usual, from the TMO. Thought up by people with absolutely no experience with little r reality. --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that recerts are not to worry about finding Maharishi Enlightenment Centers any more (space in exisiting malls which would be reconfigured). Now they are to arrange for the building of Peace Palaces. Apparently, this means that they are to look for land that says build to suit and to let the developer handle the financing and building details. I am only assuming that this means that the TMO is actually and truly going to pay for this stuff, since I cannot imagine anyone, even a TB, offering money for this type of venture. I think MMY is planning on spending a good deal of the money collected over the years, wants to leave a physical legacy of big beautiful buildings to help perpetuate the teachings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan's - Mom's Against War(s)//Updates...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who Does Cindy Sheehan Hate? By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | August 26, 2005 Sigmund Freud had a concept he called projection, which has been defined as a defense where the ego deals with unacceptable impulses and/or terrifying anxieties by attributing them to someone in the external world. I don't think the right wing can go much lower than this in smeearing Cindy Sheehan. snip Casey Sheehan's heroic action has embittered Cindy Sheehan. And her actions have embittered her family who bitterly resent her exploitation of her son's heroic death in behalf of her political extremism. Here's what they wrote to Matt Drudge: Which tells you something about the nobility of their motivations. In fact--God forbid Reagan tell you this--it's just one side of the family that objects; the other side supports her fully. And only one of them, by the way, was willing to sign a name to the letter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I just pointed out to Vaj, you might want to be careful that you're not simply mistaking your current point of view for wisdom and your current limited definition of a real teacher for reality. As you yourself said, just one post ago: The vast majority forgets and then does it again, certain (yes, that difficult word that ascertains our demise again and again) they have got it right this time. :-) I think you are right; but it has been near a 40 year endeavour and I have found a techer who teaches in the way he was taught, which was the way his teacher was taught, and so on. Cool. Wasn't seeking to diminish that, only to point out that 40 years from now (karma willing) you might have a different opinion of him as well. Yes, that may well be the case. I cannot know the future. Long ago I became very cynical and skeptical about my own abilities to evaluate things. So I have done a lot of searching and questioning. Responses, like yours above (which I think is very apt) have also been invaluable guides along the way. In my case as well. That's one reason I like FFL. :-) Hopefully we'll NEVER figure it all out. What would be left to do for fun? Teach others? G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Cindy Sheehan to Speak 'Live' at 11:30 EDT...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Give Peace A Chance Give Peace a Chance works particularly well when you have a few nuclear weapons under your belt... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be fair, someone should point out that what you're calling a real master may just be one that appeals to your sensibilities or predilection. Not sure if you were addressing Vaj or G (me); but from my perspective, I follow the advice given by HH the Dalai Lama: examine your teacher, even if it takes you 12 years. Can't knock the Dalai Lama. I make no assumptions about his enlightenment or lack thereof, even having met him, but I respect him thoroughly. No one, in my opinion, could have done a better job of being the most visible Buddhist on the planet. When I (G) say real spiritual master, I mean someone who has demonstrated his own achievements to my questioning, skeptical mind and then laid out for me what I have to do if I want to get there. Cool. Important clarification. Then, I try it (complete with bitching and stupid questions) and see what happens. Great plan. Something I learned from MMY/MCS: others may notice something before you do. And after. Otherwise, why are there so many TBs? :-) That's not altogether off track. I take the remarks of others with the proverbial grain of sodium chloride -- but a home truth or two isn't always amiss, one way or another. Another great plan. The stuff you hear on boards like this one is a lot like the stuff you hear from teachers. Some of it goes in one chakra and out another, some of it sticks. If it proves useful, even for a short while, IMO the source doesn't matter. I've had great spiritual revelations from movies (obviously, given the currently-active thread) and from bums I've met on the street. I don't have to think of them as my formal spiritual teachers, but in one sense all of them were. This is a great board. What you just said/typed, whatever, above says more about you than the teachers -- but this is, I think, as it should be. I like the Sufi saying: the thread, by virtue of being drawn through the jewel, is not thereby ennobled. The spiritual quest (is there a better term?) is not one of being drawn through jewel after jewel, but of intense self-examination so that one can be open to the teacher who appears when one is ready. It would be extremely difficult, given the complexity of humanity, to declare one teacher, one method, one way to be the only way or the absolute way. I can only see the only way for myself: to be open to what I might find and to see, as best I am able, what it is for me. Just maybe true spiritual progress is knowing when to move on. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would be VERY curious to know what sort of shenanigans went on with the weight in gold episode 'cause I would have to be VERY convinced that everything was done on the up and up! http://www.natural-law-party.org.uk/pressreleases/UK-19980206-Tony- Nader-receives-his-weight-in-gold.htm or http://tinyurl.com/8rjlv Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. Are you sure you don't want to retract your statement above? No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction - Now Peace Fund $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the mansion was owned by a couple from Austin who had bought it from Hartnett. I think their names were Greg and Marilyn Karnezi or something like that. There was/is(?) a Dr. named Greg Karnezi in Austin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I believe if you look above, you won't need to muse about what I seem to be saying, you can see what I actually said. But in case that's too much trouble, I'll quote it here: This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Principles of Spiritual Humanism
PRINCIPLES OF SPIRITUAL HUMANISM Möller de la Rouvière AUTHOR OF: SPIRITUALITY WITHOUT GOD SPIRITUAL HUMANISM DECLARES THAT: 1) To be a Humanist in the fullest sense of the word, is to embrace both the potential and direct experience of non-duality or wholeness as an integral aspect of human life. 2) The non-dual truth of the living moment is contained as potential within all aspects of human experience, and therefore does not exist as a metaphysical Self, Brahman, Godhead, or any other Unifying factor - all which are projected as having Their presumed existence both prior to, and after, the appearance of human life. 3) Wholeness or non-duality is neither the experience of one nor two. 4) Wholeness or non-duality is the mere sense of non-dual reality which remains alive as a human experience when the inner, fragmented and alienated sense of `I'-consciousness has been recognized as fundamentally false, and transcended through right practice and right living. 5) The word `spiritual' in the term `Spiritual Humanism' reflects the total field of subtle human experiences such as love, compassion, wholeness or non-duality, intelligence, pure emotional response- ability, emotional equanimity, reasonableness, softness of heart, human warmth, altered states of conscious awareness, insight, intuition and deep states of inner absorption. It further includes the appropriate use of instruments such as memory, attention, the sense of awareness and rational thinking in their relation to the diversity of that which appears in the human field of present arising. 6) No sustainable emotional equanimity or the functioning of the deeper intelligence associated with the non-dual revelation is possible without addressing and transcending the deep emotional shadow material which fundamentally controls and prejudices intelligent human behavior in general and, more specifically, responsive and dependable human relationships . 7) No sustainable intelligent and creative interaction with the world is possible without observing and transcending mental conditioning which projects and transfers itself onto the simplicity of human experience. 8) Non-duality is not to be found as an exclusive property somewhere `within' the bodymind. Non-duality or wholeness is the complete identification between the sense of being aware and the content which appears as form within this awareness. In this regard, no distinction could be made between the content of awareness and the awareness of content. 9) In the human context, there is no such experience as content-less awareness. Awareness can therefore not be an object of inner contemplation, neither can it contemplate itself. 10) Awareness is not a `thing' to be come upon `inwardly' or anywhere else. Awareness is the mere sense of being aware, which makes it a process and not the Ultimate Unifying Principle (or Great Metaphysical Thing) as projected by traditional Advaita Vedanta. 11) Meditation is a gradual movement through the disorder of the fragmented, conditioned and emotionally scarred human psyche to the unfolding of the natural non-dual potential within human nature. 12) Human life itself is the path, the practice and the fulfillment of the practice. The completion of spiritual life reflects the fulfillment of human life as a whole, and nothing Else. 13) A re-look at, and a radical re-cognition of, the entire process of the spiritualization of human life are required to free this enquiry from the binding and distorting dogmas of traditional religious and spiritual conformity. 14) A new, truly Humanistic vision of spiritual life, based on nothing but the unfolding and development of humankind's deepest potential for integral living, has to be explored as a matter of profound urgency. 15) God, as the ultimate projection of human well-being, order, beauty and happiness, should no longer, in any form whatsoever, be the basis of an uncompromisingly humanistic enquiry into the inherent spiritual nature of human existence. 16) Mind as the slayer of truth, is nothing other that the indiscriminate, conditioned, habitual and uninspected use of human faculties such as attention, thought, emotional response and the functioning of awareness in relation to these. 17) The `I'-conscious state is fundamental to fragmented living and many other forms of inner and outer disorder. As mere self-projection and self-focus this presumed inner entity creates a distinct and clearly observable destiny of suffering in its attempts to minimize the felt dis-ease of its own supposed separateness both from itself and life in general. 18) The path is a conscious inversion upon every aspect of inner contraction within the body-mind, and not a projected movement towards that which is presumed to exist as an Ultimate State eternally free, and thus fundamentally
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
TurquoiseB wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. What I'm looking for is movies that, for you, capture or express something valuable about some aspect of the overall spiritual process. It could be bhakti, or courage (being a spiritual warrior), or psychic powers, or self analysis, or death and dying, or reincarnation, or making breakthroughs in one's own spiritual development, or the teacher- student relationship, or pretty much anything if it turned you on and inspired you. For the record, my list of such films would include weird shit like Conan The Barbarian, Risky Business, Gandhi, Alien, Groundhog Day, Highlander, The Last Wave, The Road Warrior, The Last Temptation of Christ, Little Buddha, The Life of Brian, Seven Years in Tibet, Jacob's Ladder, Don Juan de Marco, Seven Samurai, Thief, Dune, Excalibur, Pow Wow Highway, Cool Runnings, L.A. Story, The Milagro Beanfield War, The Princess Bride, Picnic At Hanging Rock, Being There, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Razor's Edge, Schindler's List, Witness, The Hitcher, It, Back To School, Big Trouble in Little China, The Crow, Shaolin vs. Lama, Spiritual Kung Fu, Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, The Terminator, Windhorse, Legend, Gladiator, Searching For Debra Winger, Million Dollar Baby, Spy Game, The Stepford Wives, Bubba Ho-Tep, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Cup, Travelers and Magicians, Immortal Beloved, Tous les Matins du Monde, The Matrix, Dirty Pretty Things, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Spirited Away, and American Beauty. You get the picture. Anything goes. Violence and blood and horror don't rule a movie out from being spiritual, nor does the subject matter, however in- your-face it might be, if it triggers some revelation in you and turns you on spiritually. Given the potential theme of this book, the more Tantric the better. Thanks in advance... Unc Also with regard to tantra here are some Indian films which deal with the real tantra: Jadoo Toona - which is a 1970's film where a little girl visiting her grandparent's village becomes possessed by a jin. A tantric is called to exorcise the spirit. I rented this film on a rather chewed up VHS tape from the local Indian grocery. There is a VCD of it available in India which I may try to obtain sometime but still hold out for a DVD version even if the transfer is not that good. The special effects are a bit tacky (model airplane instead of a real one). There was a rumor of a remake a few years back but I haven't heard anything more. Raat - a 1992 film which I watched last night starring Om Puri who shows up in the last 15 minutes as tantric to save the day. Again it is a story of a girl (college age this time) being possessed by an evil spirit. Available on DVD though the transfer was letterboxed instead of anamorphic. The we have some Bollywood tantra (more Saturday morning cartoon show than real) films such as: Bhoot Vastu Rudraksha You can find the above on DVD at your local Indian grocery. Otherwise Netflix may have them and there more than a few Indian online rental services. Bollywood films suffer from the fact they don't use scripts. Producers are afraid the scripts will get stolen and some unscrupulous (apparently a good description of the whole Bollywood industry) producer will make the film first. So they write the dialog on the sets. They may also suffer from the fact the producer wants you to watch ever foot of film that was shot whether it contributes to the story or not. So films can drag on for up to 3 hours of course interspersed with girls dancing around trees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I believe if you look above, you won't need to muse about what I seem to be saying, you can see what I actually said. But in case that's too much trouble, I'll quote it here: This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. Sad. I myself believe that the receiving his weight in gold stunt was only successful to the extent that it innoculated everyone who follows the TMO against the even nuttier things that were to come down the pike in years to come... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund The Fund has concluded that Professor Nader's research has provided a powerful scientific basis for this programme because it has demonstrated how crucial is the relationship of individual life to cosmic life, and how vital it is to maintain balance between the individual nature of intelligence and its cosmic status, so that natural harmony and order prevail, and everyone enjoys maximum health, happiness and good fortune. The Fund, in other words, is supporting the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law by giving a grant to Tony Nader to continue his research. ...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Grants are frequently referred to as awards. Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. These quotes are from the same page you quoted from. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. If you consider them publicity stunts and they got a lot of publicity, then, as publicity stunts, yes, indeed, they were good publicity and very, very successful. Sad. Not. A matter of the plain meaning of English words. Sorry you can't deal with that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund The Fund has concluded that Professor Nader's research has provided a powerful scientific basis for this programme because it has demonstrated how crucial is the relationship of individual life to cosmic life, and how vital it is to maintain balance between the individual nature of intelligence and its cosmic status, so that natural harmony and order prevail, and everyone enjoys maximum health, happiness and good fortune. The Fund, in other words, is supporting the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law by giving a grant to Tony Nader to continue his research. ...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. Grants are frequently referred to as awards. Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. These quotes are from the same page you quoted from. Yes, the rather long, tortured, full of platitudes and propaganda page...which you have to scroll down half way through the 2,500 word press release to get to.. If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release -- at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And I suggest to you that you frequently seem to have difficulty interpreting plain English when it's saying something you don't want to accept. A good publicity stunt is a successful one. A successful publicity stunt is one that gets-- wait for it!--a lot of publicity. This stunt got a lot of publicity. You concede it was imaginative. Therefore, it was a good publicity stunt, imaginative and quite successful. then according to you Nurenberg and the 1936 Olympic Games were good publicity stunts and very, very successful. If you consider them publicity stunts and they got a lot of publicity, then, as publicity stunts, yes, indeed, they were good publicity and very, very successful. Sad. Not. A matter of the plain meaning of English words. Sorry you can't deal with that. No, I can't. And I'll call a spade a spade. It sucked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? No, no, no. No way. Tony Nader can't *possibly* have as clear a perspective or as much insight into what he's doing as we have right here on this forum. So true. I mean everyone on this newsgroup has two doctorates, including one given at one of the top universities in the world which he obtained in his non-native tongue... Most Americans, at least, fail to understand how hard it is to obtain a degree of ANY kind while using a second language. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release -- at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Most of the news stories I read cited the fact that it was to be used for his research, so apparently reporters aren't as lazy as you are. Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. It was certainly no worse than other TM publicity stunts, like the Yogic Olympics it used to hold for the same reason, to get reporters in a room to listen to a spiel by putting on a splashy event. The spiel *itself* is weird, but that's another story altogether. Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Some of what MMY has said about King Tony implies that he's in Unity Consciousness... Gotta wonder at your scenario if this is so... --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! It would be really, really, really, really scary if he didn't. What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bevan and John Confronting Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/25/05 12:35 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. I finally saw that the emperor's new clothes were not what I wanted to believe and left. It took nearly 30 more years before I found someone who embodied the wisdom I had only read about. Who? Y'know, Rick, I have thought about this and thought. If I give you a name, it won't be important. What is important is to find a way to be very aware of exactly what you are experiencing, right now. It is important to be very open to what you hear, see, feel, experience, sense and then to not let that go until you have seen it for what it is. Sorry. It's the best I can do. Sometimes, at least for me, it is a matter of comparing what I learned from and about MMY/MCS/MPV/BBM (so many names for one little man) and then comparing that with what I know about myself, what I havelearned since those days when the Emperor's new clothes were seen, suddenly, one day, just as they were. It is important to keep moving on. When you think you are there, when you think this is it, well, it may be close and it may be important, but you are it and thinking somthing outside yourself is it ismissing the point. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. I wonderif anyone ever reads the original announcements... It said explicitly that themoney was a research grant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Hmm, let's see, that was, what, seven years ago? I don't believe you'd call the Global Development Fund a TMO department; I believe it operates independently of the TMO. But it certainly would be appropriate to call it a movement pocket. (That's what's called a metaphor, Shemp.) TM movement and TM organization are not synonymous, of course. So I did not, in fact, say anything about reapportioning money from one department within the TMO to another. (And in any case, even if that *was* what had happened, organizations do that all the time. There would have been nothing fraudulent about it.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror,
sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What
the f**k!
Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I
get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school?
And a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT?
--- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions
and thus
taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly
way easier to think
my Master told me to do this so it must be right
than it is to critically
examine one's own behavior and beliefs while
admitting the possibility
that many things you have held as absolute truth for
decades might
be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally
concocted by
someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece
you.
The latter is a very serious oh shit experience,
as I have found.
Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet.
Or maybe he
has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll
never come face
to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he
really is King of the
Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know
which ones I
think are more likely...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Cliff
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not just you. I have exactly the same
reaction. Any
westerner
who puts on that crown has just removed
themselves from any
possibility of being taken seriously on
this planet.
That's it exactly. And anyone who says
Yes to the
idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to
the teacher
who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice
both to the
teacher and to that which he teaches.
So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you
to do an apparently
SILLY thing?
Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be
silly
and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing
to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of
loyalty
to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong.
That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader.
He
always seemed to have too much on the ball to
really believe that this silly world government
and king stuff was good for the movement in the
long run, and he went along with it anyway.
Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that
must be endured,
or simply asthe last whim of his master, who
should be honored?
Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than
the rest of us?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. Oh, please. The TMO would have funded his research in any case. They just decided to hand out the money in a way that would give them some publicity. Nothing the least bit fraudulent about it. The press release said what the money was to be used for. And publicity stunts are by definition dishonest. This was a good one, imaginative and quite successful. Let me understand this, Judy. You most certainly seem to be saying that the giving Tony Nader his weight in gold was: 1) a good publicity stunt; and 2) imaginative; and 3) quite successful? I will cede to you that, yes, #2 is correct that it WAS imaginative. But I suggest to you and the others readers on this forum that if you do actually ascribe to both #1 and #3 that you are either: 1) deluded; 2) quite possibly brainwashed by a cult; or 3) in denial. Are you sure you don't want to retract your statement above? Only after you admit you can't read research grant when it is presented to you over and over again... No kidding, folks, the criticism here is verging on the pathological. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/26/05 10:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think Warren Berman donated most of the money for the weight in gold. I wonder if Tony got to keep the gold or graciously handed it over to MMY. The money was a grant was funded by the Global Development Corporation. It was put in a bank to fund Nader's scientific research. The press release of Feb. 6, 1998 quite clearly says that Tony Nader ... will receive his weight in gold. It then goes on several times to refer to it as an award, NOT a grant. Are you trying to tell us that the following paragraph somehow suggests the money was a grant? The award is being offered with the support of the Maharishi Global Development Fund in fact, it is the first performance of this $400 million Fund recently set up in the U.S.A. to support the development and reconstruction of the world according to Natural Law. ...'cause if you are, the above paragraph, at best, is a confusing ambiguous statment that does NOT make clear whether it is the weight in gold given to Nader which is to support the development and reconsruction of the world according to Natural Law or whether it is the $400 million fund...and, at worst, contradicts the wording of award and will receive his weight in gold. It also says...: Professor Nader will be seated on one side of a special scale, and gold will be piled up on the other side until the scale balances. This gold then will be given to Professor Nader as his scientific award, and deposited in a bank to support his continued scientific work. During the ceremony, Professor Nader will respond with a special address to the global audience and members of the press about his most recent discoveries in the physiology particularly concerning the specific location in the human brain of the intelligence which rules the universe. Their Weight in Silver for His Research Colleagues Professor Nader's colleagues, Dr. Volker Schanbacher from Germany, and Dr. Keith Wallace and Ted Wallace from the United States, and Dr. Walter Mölk and Dr. Rainer Picha from Austria, who have recently joined Maharishi Vedic University, and have assisted him in continuing the research, will then take their turn on the scale. Silver will be piled up equivalent to their weights, and this will be granted to them in honour of their achievements. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If the Movement didn't want to mislead people they could have called it a scientific grant in the first paragraph instead of qualifying it 1,000 words later (by the way, a 2,500 word text is about 11 pages single-spaced...whoever heard of a press release - - at least a successful press release anyway! -- being more than a few paragraphs or, at most, a page in length? My God, this is a diatribe, NOT a press release!) Most of the news stories I read cited the fact that it was to be used for his research, so apparently reporters aren't as lazy as you are. No, they're not. Probably because they are not used to the fact that the TMO publishes pages and pages and pages and pages of useless propaganda and made-up and unfounded platitudes of TMO operatives that have received dubious PhD's...and when a reporter is assigned the job of doing a piece on the TMO -- probably for the first time -- he does his job properly enough to actually READ a whole 11 page press release. You see, Judy, I am much more jaded. I will NOT waste my time reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out what I should have gotten in the first paragraph. So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be... But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ ALL of the Movement's publications. It must be heartwarming to the scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is taking the time out to actually READ this stuff... Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that Nader actually received by saying that the money was to be deposited in a bank -- where else was he going to keep it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and shenanigans going on. Uh, no, it doesn't. This was all quite straightforward as far as the transfer of money was concerned. The point wasn't bank vs. mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his personal use. Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an award and don't say that Nader received the money. Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible publicity stunt and one that was not successful at all. As I said, it was extremely successful, got all kinds of coverage at the time. It did just what publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel, in the hope that some of them will reproduce some of it in their news stories, which they did. The TM folks got to talk about the scientific research on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the world. Yeah, it worked out really, really well. It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press conference or read about it. Yeah, they really took seriously a purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself weighed in gold. For the TMO's next publicity stunt that will surely also increase their credibility, they're going to have an elephant named Ganesh take a dump on a plate of spaghetti. The meal will be called the United States. Then a monkey called Hanuman is going to eat it. Hanuman will represent the purifying power of Shtapatya architecture and will demonstrate overcoming of evil. It was certainly no worse than other TM publicity stunts, Agreed! like the Yogic Olympics it used to hold for the same reason, to get reporters in a room to listen to a spiel by putting on a splashy event. Oh, and we've been taken seriously ever since...NOT! The spiel *itself* is weird, but that's another story altogether. 'Fraid not. The publicity stunts have BECOME the message...and any 6th grade child could have told MMY that from the very first one... Then your argument is with TM for having such a spiel in the first place, not for holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel. That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror,
sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What
the f**k!
Some of what MMY has said about King Tony implies that he's in
Unity
Consciousness...
Gotta wonder at your scenario if this is so...
What are you saying, that being in Unity Consciousness removes your
common sense, that it obliterates your sense of decency and self-
respect?
--- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions
and thus
taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly
way easier to think
my Master told me to do this so it must be right
than it is to critically
examine one's own behavior and beliefs while
admitting the possibility
that many things you have held as absolute truth for
decades might
be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally
concocted by
someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece
you.
The latter is a very serious oh shit experience,
as I have found.
Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet.
Or maybe he
has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll
never come face
to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he
really is King of the
Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know
which ones I
think are more likely...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Cliff
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not just you. I have exactly the same
reaction. Any
westerner
who puts on that crown has just removed
themselves from any
possibility of being taken seriously on
this planet.
That's it exactly. And anyone who says
Yes to the
idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to
the teacher
who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice
both to the
teacher and to that which he teaches.
So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you
to do an apparently
SILLY thing?
Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be
silly
and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing
to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of
loyalty
to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong.
That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader.
He
always seemed to have too much on the ball to
really believe that this silly world government
and king stuff was good for the movement in the
long run, and he went along with it anyway.
Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that
must be endured,
or simply asthe last whim of his master, who
should be honored?
Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than
the rest of us?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [snip] For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... Funny, I don't recall saying anything about reapportioning funds from one department to another. You made that up. [snip] Judy Stein from Nov. 10, 1998 (amt): Anyway, this is what he got his weight in gold for. But it was stipulated that it must be used for further research into these matters, SO THE FUNDS WERE REALLY JUST MOVED FROM ONE OF THE MOVEMENT'S POCKETS INTO ANOTHER --it was a publicity stunt, in other words. (my emphasis) Hmm, let's see, that was, what, seven years ago? I don't believe you'd call the Global Development Fund a TMO department; I believe it operates independently of the TMO. But it certainly would be appropriate to call it a movement pocket. (That's what's called a metaphor, Shemp.) TM movement and TM organization are not synonymous, of course. So I did not, in fact, say anything about reapportioning money from one department within the TMO to another. (And in any case, even if that *was* what had happened, organizations do that all the time. There would have been nothing fraudulent about it.) I think we'll let your words speak for themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Well, just before he says What the f**k, he says this is what I get after 12 years of post-secondary education and medical school? And a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT? -) PRECISELY my point! --- Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe he's terrified of making his own decisions and thus taking responsibility for his own life? Certainly way easier to think my Master told me to do this so it must be right than it is to critically examine one's own behavior and beliefs while admitting the possibility that many things you have held as absolute truth for decades might be not only absurd, but possibly even intentionally concocted by someone you implicitly trusted to deceive and fleece you. The latter is a very serious oh shit experience, as I have found. Maybe Tony just hasn't gotten to the oh shit yet. Or maybe he has so much invested in ignoring the shit that he'll never come face to face with it in this lifetime. Or maybe he really is King of the Universe and an incarnation of the Divine. I know which ones I think are more likely... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just you. I have exactly the same reaction. Any westerner who puts on that crown has just removed themselves from any possibility of being taken seriously on this planet. That's it exactly. And anyone who says Yes to the idea, out of a mistaken sense of loyalty to the teacher who proposes it, is IMO doing a disservice both to the teacher and to that which he teaches. So the teacher MUST be wrong when he asks you to do an apparently SILLY thing? Not necessarily, but if *you* know it to be silly and feel in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, and do it anyway out of a sense of loyalty to the teacher, then yes, it's wrong. That's what leads me to write off Tony Nader. He always seemed to have too much on the ball to really believe that this silly world government and king stuff was good for the movement in the long run, and he went along with it anyway. Perhaps he sees it as a test, or as silliness that must be endured, or simply asthe last whim of his master, who should be honored? Or perhaps he sees something more (or less) than the rest of us? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- --- - -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet in his quiet moments Tony looks in the mirror, sees himself with his crown and robe and says,What the f**k! Agreed, he probably doubles over with laughter at times at the relative absurdity of it all, though he does seem to be enjoying his current ride in the amusement park! I think it's good every so often to remember who *paid* for his E-ticket ride. Where do you think the money came from for his robes and crown, much less his weight in gold? From all the TBs who donated to projects along the way that they'd convinced themselves were really going to happen. For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. So he did NOT get his weight in gold. In other words, the whole scale stunt was just a way to reapportion funds WITHIN the TMO from one department to another... If this is what you are saying then the whole publicity stunt was, at worst, dishonest in its portrayal, at best, fraudulent. It was a publicity stunt and the original PR on it said it was a research grant. Yeah, 1,000 words into an 11-page, 2,500 word press release. Yes, I am guilty as charged of not reading ALL of the endless diatribes and propaganda that the TMO publishes. And I rather doubt his crown and robe were a major expenditure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For the record, the money didn't go to him personally but to fund his research; essentially, it was the TMO giving money to the TMO. Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? In any case, you were correct that I'd suggested it was transferred within the TMO proper. But I'd forgotten that the money was from the Global Development Fund until I'd read the press release again. It wasn't within the TMO proper after all. I'm sorry...this Global Development Fund...is it connected to the United Nations or something? You indicate it is a separate independent entity from the TMO. Who is it connected to then? Which well known U.S. or European university or hospital or public or private research body? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, this is what you *should* have quoted, from my recent post here, instead of going back and digging up a seven-year-old post from alt.m.t in which I'd said something *different*. How much time did you waste doing that? I wondered how much time it took too. However, as it seems to be in keeping with other invitations you have given to visit alt. m.t. to clarify something, you're time wasting comment seems a bit catty to me. These interchanges are somewhat mesmerizing for me, like hanging around at a car wreck: I want to see what happens, but part of me wonders why. I guess I rationalize the volitional waste of my own time with this stuff as at least I'm reading, rather than being gamma rayiedly (correct this spelling please) stupified by the boob tube. There is perverse entertainment value in it all for me. So, for that, I thank you (the collective you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama Lama Ding Ding Dong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if he just gave a small chuckle and went about his business? Would you wear the crown and robes? You mean instead of a sailor's cap? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Give War a Chance' Vs. 'Give Peace a Chance'...
Well, one of the things, that I noticed this morning, was they decided to keep the Air Force Base open in South Dakota; The Senator that defeated the lead Democrat, Tom Daschel, is from there. Anyway, they have these latest bombers there; the B-1 Bombers. Well, I heard that the B-52's are the greatest bombing machine, we've ever had. Besides, this kind of high-class weapon, that costs billions of dollars each, could be used to develop good will in the world towards the United States. All that money could be used to help the starving children, and moms and dads in Africa; But I guess they are the wrong color, and there's no 'Black Gold' there,to be had... So, anyway, this Military/Industrial Complex, is out of control, and just spends money to keep it going. The danger of this, is the continued need for conflict, to make sure these weapons, and their billion-dollar cost, can be justified. That is why this administration, insists that we must continue to war indefinitely, and that is the way to peace. Only the reality is, indiscriminant bombing of people, leads to hatred and the tendency to want to destroy the arrogant, advanced invading force. Just as we would not like an invading force in our country. It's just common sense. Does, this administration have common sense. And why do these Presidents from the Lone Star State; Seem to get us in these Hellish situations???- -- - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Give Peace A Chance sure thing- we have over 6,000 nukes; how much more military stuff do we need; to feel safe? Give Peace a Chance works particularly well when you have a few nuclear weapons under your belt... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrity Poker and Stephen Collins
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I was channel surfing and tuned in to the middle of the two hour Celebrity Poker show on Bravo in which TMer Stephen Collins was one of five celebrities playing No-Limit Texas Hold 'Em. Each of the celebrities plays for the charity of their choice and I think the charity gets $25,000 if their celebrity wins (losers get $5,000 for their charity). Because I was going back and forth from one channel to another, I just missed the part where each celebrity talks a bit about their chosen charity. But after Collins talked about his charity, for the rest of the program there was an occasional quip by the other celebrities about Collins playing for world peace...so I suspect Collins' chosen charity was for MMY's Peace Palaces. Collins probably gave to Lynch's effort to pay for TM for schoolkids -- he appeared with Lynch somewhere or other and endorsed this effort to raise $7 billion. Well, I'll tell you who won... [spoiler -- if you don't want to know, don't scroll down any farther...] Collins won. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
