[FairfieldLife] Yogic Frying?
One of the best Jan 12 -speeches was IMO by a Japanese His Excellence, but couldn't help (it) feeling funny when he mentioned Yogic Frying! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Loan for TM
And if you have to pay $ 2.500 for each of the 7 advanced techniques and God knows how much for the TM-Sidhi-Techniques, and follow up with Panchakarma - 4 times a year, $ 2.500 for 5 days. And so we can go on and on. It is good for Independent TM-Teachers. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a while since I've done this, but my calculator is darn smart, so let's see what we get: Loan: US $2,500 Payment: $50/mo. Interest rates: Prime rate on 19 Jan 06: 7.25% Excellent credit: 7.25 + 0.375 = 7.63% Good credit: 7.25 + 2 = 9.25% Fair credit: 7.25 + 4 = 11.25% Term and total amount paid, assuming interest compounded monthly: Excellent credit: 61 months of payments for a total of $3,050 Good credit: 64 months for payments totaling $3,200 Fair credit: 68 months for a total of $3,400 I guess that's one way to keep people meditating regularly: remind them every month that they learned. CitiAssist, offered by Citybank, now provides educational loans for this 2-credit non-degree course entitled The Transcendental Meditation Program: Developing Total Brain Potential. The course tuition is $2,500 and CitiAssist requires a minimum payment of $50/month. This means the repayment will be completed in 5-6 years based on current rates. The rate floats with the prime rate, and depends on the credit status of the borrower (or co-signer if applicable). · excellent credit: prime + 0.375% · good: prime + 1.0-2.0% · fair: prime + 3.0-4.0% Since prime is now 7%, the current CitiAssist rate ranges from 7.375 to 11% Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. (chorus) Osama Bin Laden It's nothing new that's all they can do with Osama Bin Laden (chorus) Osama Bin Laden. They seem to believe we'll take this as fact and that we will pass their Unpatriot Act. When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. (chorus) Osama Bin Laden. Everybody sing along now! Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. (Obviously, parallels exist to MMY's scare tactics for raising money.) This is a great film if you actually care about learning where the world you live in came from and about the people who invented it and sold it to you. As the narrator says in Part I, At the heart of the story are two groups -- the American Neocon- servatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world and both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups *have* changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world -- a fantasy that politicians then found restored their parent authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful. This is a POWERFUL series, and one with a very occult take on modern events. Wherever you stand poltically about how to deal with the nightmares that are being sold to us every day by our politicians and our media, you owe it to yourself to spend a little time learning who *invented* the nightmares, and why, and who benefits when you live your life in fear of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. My impression from the news is that the recent Osama Bin Laden audiotape first aired on al-Jazeera TV. Are you saying that al-Jazeera is a BushCo political tool? He might not, but I certainly would. Radical Islam and Neoconservatism has a symbiotic relationship, each side feeding the other. Al-jazheera is actually a pretty good News channel, and does *not* represent purely the crazy side of Islam, but it's the first place that the radicals go to distribute their propa- ganda, just as Fox News is for the Neocons. So yeah, it's indirectly a tool of the Bushies. *And* the radical Islamists. *Both* want to keep the world in fear, and so IMO they're just two of the four horses of the apocalypse, harnessed as part of the same team. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: rare quotations about Guru Dev from MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extract from 'Beacon Light' - October 1955 One unique principle of the Great sage that distinguished him completely from other living, saints, was that he did not accept money as a gift from his visitors or disciples. He was running the greatest religious institution of Northern India at his own expense, the sources of which were known only to himself. He stood at the pinnacle of human development and moved as only Jeeven-Muktas can move under the strong hold of prarabdha. He for himself would allow things to go on as they are ordained by the hand of destiny, but His devotees have many a time changed the course of fate of themselves and of the people. Innunerable instances can be counted when by virtue of His Dhyanam, His devotees have wrought miracles worked in the innerman and transformed the materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold. Full text at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm Fascinating. So even at that time, Maharishi considered fund-raising a miracle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interrobangs, point d'ironie, point de certitude, etc.
An email from my brother leaves me longing to add some new typographic symbols to my list of fonts for use on Fairfield Life. One is the 'interrobang,' described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang The interrobang combines the elements of the question mark and the exclamation point, and could be used for such sentences as: Maharishi issued a new proclamation and you actually believed itinsert interrobang here French is even more creative, typographically. Several wonderful characters are described briefly in the Histoire section of the following French Wikipedia page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_d%27ironie Their potential for usage here on FFL should be obvious: * le point de certitude -- for TBs * le point d'autorité -- ditto * le point de doute -- for TNBs * le point d'ironie -- for use with TMO proclamations implying that the organization actually cares about teaching TM * le point d'indignation -- for use when anyone here claims to have had an experience that everyone is theoretically seeking, such as enlightenment * le point d'amour -- I can't actually think of how this would be used on FFL, but it's interesting that someone invented it... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- feste37 wrote: I read the whole text of his [OBL's] message. Where did you read it? I only saw excerpts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. My impression from the news is that the recent Osama Bin Laden audiotape first aired on al-Jazeera TV. Are you saying that al-Jazeera is a BushCo political tool? Alex +++ One site I was reading this week pointed out that Bin Lousey's operation was a US creation in the first place-have to look back a few administrations to find the details. It seems that sometimes the truth is so far fetched that you will have a hard time to get anyone to believe it. N. I believe we, the US, supported the Mujahadien (Osama)against the Russians in Afganistan. Later many Mujahadien became Alkieda (sp?). Yep. And, we supported Saddam back when he was at war with Iran. And, I think at one point we supported Noriega. It's not unusual for US foreign policy to have us cozying up to real rat bastards, only to turn on them at a later date and declare them evil. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Suprasegmental phonemes in Sanskrit, and their cruciality?
In Sanskrit the length of vowels is a so called suprasegmental phonemic feature. There are pairs of words (minimal pairs) that differ from each other only by the length of one vowel, for instance sama (same) - sâma (song), kila (indeed) - kîla (wedge). Ignoring that feature might sometimes be almost catastrophic. I just read through the instructions for kuNDalinii awakening on swamij.com. I actually liked that quite a lot, but this explanation seems to be, well, BS: The sixth chakra, at the eyebrow center, is called ajna chakra, which includes a and jna, which means the center without knowledge or with little knowledge (a is without and jna is knowledge). Why does it seem to me like BS? Because the word is NOT ajna (more accurately ajña), but âjñâ (aa-jñaa). While 'a' sure is a negative prefix, I believe 'aa' never acts like that. Here is a line from YKU that mentions some of the chakras: anaahata.n vishuddha.n cha **aajñaa-chakra**.n cha shhashhThakam.h Here are the relevant words from CDSL, slightly edited by Jooseppi Käkriäinen, for easier reading: ajña , not knowing ; ignorant , inexperienced ; unconscious ; unwise , stupid. aajñaa , order , command Mn. x , 56 MBh. c. ; authority , unlimited power Ba1lar. ; N. of the tenth lunar mansion VarBr2. ; Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. How is this any different from how it's always been? To me, it sounds no different than making people think that they're sinful and destined for eternity in hell and then selling them salvation dogma. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. How is this any different from how it's always been? To me, it sounds no different than making people think that they're sinful and destined for eternity in hell and then selling them salvation dogma. I didn't write the documentary, and thus can't answer for the filmmakers who did, but my answer would be that what seems to different in the modern paradigm is that there *IS* no salvation promised, merely a *temporary* suspension of a fear that never goes away because the people selling it don't *want* it to go away. Salvation dogma promises something after one dies; another variant would be promising suckers enlight- enment as long as they keep contributing money to the org that holds the keys to enlightenment. In both cases there is a positive carrot held out in front of the donkey. The selling nightmares phenomenon is devoid of such a positive carrot; it's more along the lines of trying to get everyone terrified of a nameless evil that only they (the politicians, the sellers of nightmares) can protect us from, and only temporarily. It never ends. The danger that they talk about is very much here and now, not in some afterlife, and it goes on forever. (The war against terrorism will never end. - G. Bush) Even though the sellers of nightmares make announce- ments from time to time to make people feel safer for a short time, those announcements are *always* followed up by announcements of the next danger. In other words, there *IS* no salvation, merely temp- orary pauses in a general fear that never stops. That's what the politicians who take advantage of this new world view are selling. They count on the fundamentalist religions that are their allies to sell people the there's hope after you die carrot. While the people are alive, however, these sellers of nightmares want the people afraid. Their adver- tising slogan could be, All fear, all the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/19/06 8:06:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, well let me be the first to surprise you. We should talk to Osama. I feste , you don't surprise me. I'm sure there are quite a few on this list that would feel quite comfortable negotiating with OBL. I'm just wondering when somebody from congress or a media person will suggest it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil
Title: FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil From: David Orme-Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 20, 2006 9:25:38 AM EST To: David_Orme_Johnson \(David_Orme_Johnson\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil Dear Friends and Family, The other day on NPR I heard this really inspiring interview with an MIT scientist who is developing a system of using algae to remove CO2 and NO from powerplant exhaust and at the same time create oil, in one stroke saving the planet from global warming and removing our dependence on the middle east for oil! I almost burst into tears when I heard it (actually I did burst into tears)! Here's an article from USA Today on it which was reprinted from The Christian Science Monitor. All the best, David http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-01-10-algae-powerplants_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-01-10-algae-powerplants_x.htm Algae like a breath mint for smokestacks By Mark Clayton, The Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/ BOSTON Isaac Berzin is a big fan of algae. The tiny, single-celled plant, he says, could transform the world's energy needs and cut global warming. A smokestack at the Mitchell Power Plant in Moundsville, W. Va. Charles P.Saus, AP Overshadowed by a multibillion-dollar push into other clean-coal technologies, a handful of tiny companies are racing to create an even cleaner, greener process using the same slimy stuff that thrives in the world's oceans. Enter Dr. Berzin, a rocket scientist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. About three years ago, while working on an experiment for growing algae on the International Space Station, he came up with the idea for using it to clean up power-plant exhaust. If he could find the right strain of algae, he figured he could turn the nation's greenhouse-gas-belching power plants into clean-green generators with an attached algae farm next door. This is a big idea, Berzin says, a really powerful idea. And one that's taken him to the top a rooftop. Bolted onto the exhaust stacks of a brick-and-glass 20-megawatt power plant behind MIT's campus are rows of fat, clear tubes, each with green algae soup simmering inside. Fed a generous helping of CO2-laden emissions, courtesy of the power plant's exhaust stack, the algae grow quickly even in the wan rays of a New England sun. The cleansed exhaust bubbles skyward, but with 40% less CO2 (a larger cut than the Kyoto treaty mandates) and another bonus: 86% less nitrous oxide. After the CO2 is soaked up like a sponge, the algae is harvested daily. From that harvest, a combustible vegetable oil is squeezed out: biodiesel for automobiles. Berzin hands a visitor two vials one with algal biodiesel, a clear, slightly yellowish liquid, the other with the dried green flakes that remained. Even that dried remnant can be further reprocessed to create ethanol, also used for transportation. Being a good Samaritan on air quality usually costs a bundle. But Berzin's pitch is one hard-nosed utility executives and climate-change skeptics might like: It can make a tidy profit. You want to do good for the environment, of course, but we're not forcing people to do it for that reason and that's the key, says the founder of GreenFuel Technologies, in Cambridge, Mass. We're showing them how they can help the environment and make money at the same time. GreenFuel has already garnered $11 million in venture capital funding and is conducting a field trial at a 1,000 megawatt power plant owned by a major southwestern power company. Next year, GreenFuel expects two to seven more such demo projects scaling up to a full pro- duction system by 2009. Even though it's early yet, and may be a long shot, the technology is quite fascinating, says Barry Worthington, executive director of US Energy Association in Washington, which represents electric utilities, government agencies, and the oil and gas industry. One key is selecting an algae with a high oil density about 50% of its weight. Because this kind of algae also grows so fast, it can produce 15,000 gallons of biodiesel per acre. Just 60 gallons are produced from soybeans, which along with corn are the major biodiesel crops today. Greenfuel isn't alone in the algae-to-oil race. Last month, Greenshift Corporation, a Mount Arlington, N.J., technology incubator company, licensed CO2-gobbling algae technology that uses a screen-like algal filter. It was developed by David Bayless, a researcher at Ohio University. A prototype is capable of handling 140 cubic meters of flue gas per minute, an amount equal to the exhaust from 50 cars or a 3-megawatt power plant, Greenshift said in a statement. For his part, Berzin calculates that just one 1,000 megawatt power plant using his system could produce more than 40 million gallons of biodiesel and 50 million gallons of ethanol a year. That would require a 2,000-acre farm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/19/06 9:05:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +++ One site I was reading this week pointed out that Bin Lousey'soperation was a US creation in the first place-have to look back a fewadministrations to find the details. It seems that sometimes the truth is so far fetched that you willhave a hard time to get anyone to believe it. N. Key word "sometimes" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/20/06 1:28:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe we, the US, supported the Mujahadien (Osama)against theRussians in Afganistan. Later many Mujahadien became Alkieda (sp?).JohnY Sort of. The Mujahaddin were lose knit groups that fought the soviets during their occupation of Afghanistan. OBL went to Afghanistan to join the Mujahaddin and fight Russians. We, the US , gave military and financial support to these groups until the war ended. Then our aid stopped and the Mujahaddin turned on each other. OBL had established relations with the Taliban that eventually took control of the country and the Taliban eventually hosted OBL and Al Qaida in their country. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. (chorus) Osama Bin Laden It's nothing new that's all they can do with Osama Bin Laden (chorus) Osama Bin Laden. They seem to believe we'll take this as fact and that we will pass their Unpatriot Act. When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. (chorus) Osama Bin Laden. Everybody sing along now! Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. (Obviously, parallels exist to MMY's scare tactics for raising money.) This is a great film if you actually care about learning where the world you live in came from and about the people who invented it and sold it to you. As the narrator says in Part I, At the heart of the story are two groups -- the American Neocon- servatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world and both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups *have* changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world -- a fantasy that politicians then found restored their parent authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful. This is a POWERFUL series, and one with a very occult take on modern events. Wherever you stand poltically about how to deal with the nightmares that are being sold to us every day by our politicians and our media, you owe it to yourself to spend a little time learning who *invented* the nightmares, and why, and who benefits when you live your life in fear of them. Yup, this is a good documentary. I have been recommending to people for some time. It is interesting how issues get clouded and how the more your eyes are open the more you can see through stuff. This is not a time to be a New Age ostrich. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. How is this any different from how it's always been? To me, it sounds no different than making people think that they're sinful and destined for eternity in hell and then selling them salvation dogma. I didn't write the documentary, and thus can't answer for the filmmakers who did, but my answer would be that what seems to different in the modern paradigm is that there *IS* no salvation promised, merely a *temporary* suspension of a fear that never goes away because the people selling it don't *want* it to go away. Salvation dogma promises something after one dies; another variant would be promising suckers enlight- enment as long as they keep contributing money to the org that holds the keys to enlightenment. In both cases there is a positive carrot held out in front of the donkey. The selling nightmares phenomenon is devoid of such a positive carrot; it's more along the lines of trying to get everyone terrified of a nameless evil that only they (the politicians, the sellers of nightmares) can protect us from, and only temporarily. It never ends. The danger that they talk about is very much here and now, not in some afterlife, and it goes on forever. (The war against terrorism will never end. - G. Bush) Even though the sellers of nightmares make announce- ments from time to time to make people feel safer for a short time, those announcements are *always* followed up by announcements of the next danger. In other words, there *IS* no salvation, merely temp- orary pauses in a general fear that never stops. That's what the politicians who take advantage of this new world view are selling. They count on the fundamentalist religions that are their allies to sell people the there's hope after you die carrot. While the people are alive, however, these sellers of nightmares want the people afraid. Their adver- tising slogan could be, All fear, all the time. And its also time to again pick up the novel many of us read in high school George Orwell's 1984 now more relevant than ever. You can read it online here: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ I picked up a used paperback of it for 30 cents. I also tracked down a copy of the 1956 BBC version on DVD which in black and white is a bit more chilling than the 1984 version with Richard Burton. Sometimes it's as if Karl Rove reads from it as much as The Prince for inspiration. I've got a feeling that Karl may have lots of time for reading shortly. The war against terrorism will never end is very Orwellian. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When things get hot the Bushies they trot out Osama Bin Laden. My impression from the news is that the recent Osama Bin Laden audiotape first aired on al-Jazeera TV. Are you saying that al-Jazeera is a BushCo political tool? He might not, but I certainly would. Radical Islam and Neoconservatism has a symbiotic relationship, each side feeding the other. Al-jazheera is actually a pretty good News channel, and does *not* represent purely the crazy side of Islam, but it's the first place that the radicals go to distribute their propa- ganda, just as Fox News is for the Neocons. So yeah, it's indirectly a tool of the Bushies. *And* the radical Islamists. *Both* want to keep the world in fear, and so IMO they're just two of the four horses of the apocalypse, harnessed as part of the same team. As long as we're talking Al-Jazeera the DVD The Control Room is an excellent documentary on that channel. Many of the Al-Jazeera folks studies at US universities. Also another good source of world perspective is: http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml They have some good links to videos there too including some out of Iran that were interesting. This new President of Iran is kind of an Islamic Bush. He was voted in by the poor in the country not the middle class and intellectuals. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil More on this: the plankton are totally incredible even without g.e. ~ please watch this video called Another Day, a 15-20 minute story that will blow your mind even further out of the water. It's joyous. go to www.whyplankton.com http://www.whyplankton.com and click on Another Day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you've brought up the subject, there is a series of three documentary films made by the BBC that I *highly* recommend. You can download high- quality MP4 versions of them at: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares This is one of the strongest and most well-made documentaries on the real issues of our time I have ever seen. Its basic thesis is that modern politicians have stopped trying to sell people noble and inspiring dreams, and in fact are in the business of selling nightmares, of *creating* fear, and of then making empty promises to save the people from the fears that they themselves have created. How is this any different from how it's always been? To me, it sounds no different than making people think that they're sinful and destined for eternity in hell and then selling them salvation dogma. I didn't write the documentary, and thus can't answer for the filmmakers who did, but my answer would be that what seems to different in the modern paradigm is that there *IS* no salvation promised, merely a *temporary* suspension of a fear that never goes away because the people selling it don't *want* it to go away. Salvation dogma promises something after one dies; another variant would be promising suckers enlight- enment as long as they keep contributing money to the org that holds the keys to enlightenment. In both cases there is a positive carrot held out in front of the donkey. The selling nightmares phenomenon is devoid of such a positive carrot; it's more along the lines of trying to get everyone terrified of a nameless evil that only they (the politicians, the sellers of nightmares) can protect us from, and only temporarily. It never ends. The danger that they talk about is very much here and now, not in some afterlife, and it goes on forever. (The war against terrorism will never end. - G. Bush) Even though the sellers of nightmares make announce- ments from time to time to make people feel safer for a short time, those announcements are *always* followed up by announcements of the next danger. In other words, there *IS* no salvation, merely temp- orary pauses in a general fear that never stops. That's what the politicians who take advantage of this new world view are selling. They count on the fundamentalist religions that are their allies to sell people the there's hope after you die carrot. While the people are alive, however, these sellers of nightmares want the people afraid. Their adver- tising slogan could be, All fear, all the time. A few things occurred to me as I read this: 1. This 'war on terror' is being used to greatly expand the power of the US Presidency, to in effect declare dictatorship under the war powers act, justifying anything the President does because 'we are at war'. According to that perverted interpretation of the Constitution, he has the authority to do anything he deems necessary in order to protect us during a time of war. Now, if the war never ends, the President's power becomes absolute. This is the argument proposed by the Atty. General today. 2. The ability to see that politicians are now creating nightmares in the minds of the electorate comes from the mind dwelling in the cusp between localized identity and nonlocalized identity. Such things are easily seen when we place ourselves there, and look around. 3. Rather than follow the obsolete adage, 'fight fire with fire', the only way to escape the fear born of this strong maya gripping our planet is to do as we have always done, and gain liberation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/06 8:06:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, well let me be the first to surprise you. We should talk to Osama. I feste , you don't surprise me. I'm sure there are quite a few on this list that would feel quite comfortable negotiating with OBL. I'm just wondering when somebody from congress or a media person will suggest it. I am waiting as well for someone in power in the US to suggest that we just kill all of those opposed to us. All of them, by whatever means. Its getting close, and I suppose such a statement will be a great rallying cry for those in the grip of fear and anger. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And its also time to again pick up the novel many of us read in high school George Orwell's 1984 now more relevant than ever. You can read it online here: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ I picked up a used paperback of it for 30 cents. I also tracked down a copy of the 1956 BBC version on DVD which in black and white is a bit more chilling than the 1984 version with Richard Burton. Sometimes it's as if Karl Rove reads from it as much as The Prince for inspiration. I've got a feeling that Karl may have lots of time for reading shortly. The war against terrorism will never end is very Orwellian. Speaking of Orwellian stuff, has it occurred to anyone else here that the whole 'Harriett Meyers for Supreme Court Justice' nomination was a brillaint political scam to get Alito in? With her being so rediculously underqualified, it allowed the Dems to vent and fume over her nomination, which was then quickly withdrawn, giving them the appearance of a victory (and exhausting their resistance). Then when Alito was proposed, if the Dems had gone after him as strongly, it would have left the impression that they were just naysayers towards any Bush nominee, seriously damaging their credibility. I personally think this was Rove political engineering at its best, or worst. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As long as we're talking Al-Jazeera the DVD The Control Room is an excellent documentary on that channel. Many of the Al-Jazeera folks studies at US universities. Also another good source of world perspective is: http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml They have some good links to videos there too including some out of Iran that were interesting. This new President of Iran is kind of an Islamic Bush. He was voted in by the poor in the country not the middle class and intellectuals. and as someone at work mentioned yesterday, he was also one of the ringleaders during the Iran Hostage Crisis 25 years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rudraksha Mala Beads
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bdadvaitin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These beads were made for wearing and that's just what they'll do... One of these days these beads are gonna bliss you right on through Hope so. I am looking to purchase a strand, probably online. Can anyone recommend a site that offers quality beads. Have heard there are a lot of fake ones abound. **END** http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And its also time to again pick up the novel many of us read in high school George Orwell's 1984 now more relevant than ever. You can read it online here: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ I picked up a used paperback of it for 30 cents. I also tracked down a copy of the 1956 BBC version on DVD which in black and white is a bit more chilling than the 1984 version with Richard Burton. Sometimes it's as if Karl Rove reads from it as much as The Prince for inspiration. I've got a feeling that Karl may have lots of time for reading shortly. The war against terrorism will never end is very Orwellian. Speaking of Orwellian stuff, has it occurred to anyone else here that the whole 'Harriett Meyers for Supreme Court Justice' nomination was a brillaint political scam to get Alito in? With her being so rediculously underqualified, it allowed the Dems to vent and fume over her nomination, which was then quickly withdrawn, giving them the appearance of a victory (and exhausting their resistance). Then when Alito was proposed, if the Dems had gone after him as strongly, it would have left the impression that they were just naysayers towards any Bush nominee, seriously damaging their credibility. I personally think this was Rove political engineering at its best, or worst. I kinda doubt it, because the Miers nomination made Bush look so bad, even--or especially--to his right- wing base, who were even more vigorously up in arms against Miers than the Dems were. If it was political engineering, it backfired. Bush would never go along with a scheme he thought would make him a laughingstock, even if he expected the eventual outcome would be positive (i.e., Alito). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/06 8:06:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, well let me be the first to surprise you. We should talk to Osama. I feste , you don't surprise me. I'm sure there are quite a few on this list that would feel quite comfortable negotiating with OBL. I'm just wondering when somebody from congress or a media person will suggest it. I am waiting as well for someone in power in the US to suggest that we just kill all of those opposed to us. All of them, by whatever means. Its getting close, and I suppose such a statement will be a great rallying cry for those in the grip of fear and anger. Yup, I waiting for that too. The rhetoric keeps getting ratcheted higher and higher and at some point the dam will burst. I don't see any other way out of this EXCEPT maybe a military coup to remove the Bush administration. I think we are seeing some evidence they are trying to pull in the projected Iran bombing from the end of March to earlier as they know they are in hot water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/06 8:06:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, well let me be the first to surprise you. We should talk to Osama. I feste , you don't surprise me. I'm sure there are quite a few on this list that would feel quite comfortable negotiating with OBL. I'm just wondering when somebody from congress or a media person will suggest it. I am waiting as well for someone in power in the US to suggest that we just kill all of those opposed to us. All of them, by whatever means. Its getting close, and I suppose such a statement will be a great rallying cry for those in the grip of fear and anger. Yup, I waiting for that too. The rhetoric keeps getting ratcheted higher and higher and at some point the dam will burst. I don't see any other way out of this EXCEPT maybe a military coup to remove the Bush administration. I think we are seeing some evidence they are trying to pull in the projected Iran bombing from the end of March to earlier as they know they are in hot water. Iran would've been invaded long ago, had Iraq gone better and cleaner...now, hopefully, with Europe and Russia and especially our bosom buddies, China, in the mix, another front to the war can be avoided. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And its also time to again pick up the novel many of us read in high school George Orwell's 1984 now more relevant than ever. You can read it online here: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ I picked up a used paperback of it for 30 cents. I also tracked down a copy of the 1956 BBC version on DVD which in black and white is a bit more chilling than the 1984 version with Richard Burton. Sometimes it's as if Karl Rove reads from it as much as The Prince for inspiration. I've got a feeling that Karl may have lots of time for reading shortly. The war against terrorism will never end is very Orwellian. Speaking of Orwellian stuff, has it occurred to anyone else here that the whole 'Harriett Meyers for Supreme Court Justice' nomination was a brillaint political scam to get Alito in? With her being so rediculously underqualified, it allowed the Dems to vent and fume over her nomination, which was then quickly withdrawn, giving them the appearance of a victory (and exhausting their resistance). Then when Alito was proposed, if the Dems had gone after him as strongly, it would have left the impression that they were just naysayers towards any Bush nominee, seriously damaging their credibility. I personally think this was Rove political engineering at its best, or worst. I kinda doubt it, because the Miers nomination made Bush look so bad, even--or especially--to his right- wing base, who were even more vigorously up in arms against Miers than the Dems were. If it was political engineering, it backfired. Bush would never go along with a scheme he thought would make him a laughingstock, even if he expected the eventual outcome would be positive (i.e., Alito). I agree with the laughingstock comment, so yeah, just seeing goblins under the bed on my part...Thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
Agree with you there, Jim. I know that down in Texas, where, I believe, MDixon has his abode, people settle disputes with a shoot-out, but civilized people look for alternative ways. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/06 8:06:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, well let me be the first to surprise you. We should talk to Osama. I feste , you don't surprise me. I'm sure there are quite a few on this list that would feel quite comfortable negotiating with OBL. I'm just wondering when somebody from congress or a media person will suggest it. I am waiting as well for someone in power in the US to suggest that we just kill all of those opposed to us. All of them, by whatever means. Its getting close, and I suppose such a statement will be a great rallying cry for those in the grip of fear and anger. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Where is Brahmasthan?
The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...when you live your life in fear of them. http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? What Paul means to say here, I think, is that he suspects MMY has decided the Brahmastan of India is at his own birthplace. Did I interpret your post correctly, Paul? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/20/06 12:02:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am waiting as well for someone in power in the US to suggest that we just kill all of those opposed to us. All of them, by whatever means. Like who? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/20/06 3:57:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agree with you there, Jim. I know that down in Texas, where, I believe, MDixon has his abode, people settle disputes with a shoot-out, but civilized people look for alternative ways. Most of our shoot-outs these days are limited to Texas African-Americans vs New Orleans African-Americans, or Hispanic on Hispanic shoot-outs. Everybody else seems to get along just fine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
No interpretation of my post necessary, I said what I meant to say. One way or the other, whether MMY was born there or not, people will remember MMY when thinking of this project of the tallest building. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone other than MMY came up with the notion that this site is at the centre of India. Very likely people from this area have been speculating on this topic for generations. Nevertheless, having spotted the coincidence it would be interesting to determine whether Brahmasthan and Chichli have the same co- ordinates. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The project of building the world's tallest building in the centre of India - Brahmasthan - is well publicised. http://showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/BigBldg/ According to this link, Brahmasthan is to be at the center of India, some '30 km northeast of Jabalpur, in the state of Madhya Pradesh'. It is documented that some few miles northeast of Jabalpur is/was the village Chichli, (near Gadawara) in Madhya Pradesh, some 150 kilometres east of Bhopal. The co-ordinates for Chichli are 22.83°N 78.82°E Chichli is said to be the birthplace of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Does anyone know the precise co-ordinates of the 'Brahmasthan' site? What Paul means to say here, I think, is that he suspects MMY has decided the Brahmastan of India is at his own birthplace. Did I interpret your post correctly, Paul? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
Yep, if we could just get the blacks and the Hispanics to behave themselves, everything would be just dandy . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/20/06 3:57:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agree with you there, Jim. I know that down in Texas, where, I believe, MDixon has his abode, people settle disputes with a shoot-out, but civilized people look for alternative ways. Most of our shoot-outs these days are limited to Texas African-Americans vs New Orleans African-Americans, or Hispanic on Hispanic shoot-outs. Everybody else seems to get along just fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/20/06 5:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep, if we could just get the blacks and the Hispanics to behave themselves, everything would be just dandy . . . Probably not " just dandy", but we could probably start shutting down some Texas prisons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/20/06 1:28:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe we, the US, supported the Mujahadien (Osama)against the Russians in Afganistan. Later many Mujahadien became Alkieda (sp?). JohnY Sort of. The Mujahaddin were lose knit groups that fought the soviets during their occupation of Afghanistan. OBL went to Afghanistan to join the Mujahaddin and fight Russians. We, the US , gave military and financial support to these groups until the war ended. Then our aid stopped and the Mujahaddin turned on each other. OBL had established relations with the Taliban that eventually took control of the country and the Taliban eventually hosted OBL and Al Qaida in their country. Thanks for the details. It's not at all unusual for the US to support a group temporarly that supports our interests. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
In a message dated 1/20/06 6:27:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the details. It's not at all unusual for the US to supporta group temporarly that supports our interests. We have supported numerous so called bad guys over the decades. The question is what was the alternative to they guys we supported and just how much support did we actually give. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Sacred America series by Stephen Dinan
Greetings, The following is the 2nd weekly installment of a series of writings from Steve about his vision for a better America. If interested at the end of this there is a link to his yahoo site and you can read last week's first installment. Enjoy. Patriotism and Progress Sacred America series, #2 By Stephen Dinan The love of many Americans for their country is no small thing. They are willing to fight and die to protect the land of their birth. They glorify it in songs. And they wear it with pride on their bumpers and T-shirts. Love of that magnitude is a potent force. Political campaigns from Republican to Democratic to third parties attempt to harness that love and ride the swell of emotion to victory. It has become a badge of honor for political candidates to wear their patriotism with pride. The only problem is that the love that drives much patriotism has become dangerously partial. Useful critiques of our country and its policies are seen as anti-patriotic rather than an _expression of a higher kind of love. The straight truth is often banished from the table or viewed with disdain. When unquestioned loyalty is confused with true patriotism, we begin to undermine the possibility of the country progressing still further. Love is a force that calls us to greater wholes a bigger vision of ourselves, a more committed relationship with another, a more selfless mission, a deepened sense of compassion for those who are not quite like us. True love embraces the moment but also propels us forward. Love is not static but dynamic, spiraling us towards ever- greater levels of intimacy, creativity, and adventure. Think for a moment about a teacher who had a big impact on your life. I would wager that it was not the teacher who let you do whatever you wanted. Those teachers tend to be popular but not influential. The high impact teacher more often cares deeply enough to call students to live into greater, nobler, and more selfless visions of themselves. They help their students stretch into greater maturity. They expand the student's vision and goad them into excellence. These influential teachers don't usually make their love contingent upon our achievements. They embrace us for who we are, right now, with all our shortcomings and fears. But they also hold a bold picture of who we can become. That's what differentiates a great teacher from a mediocre one an engaged love that calls us into our greatest vision of our self. Patriotism that consists of flag waving and protecting the status quo is a bit like the popular teacher easy on us in the moment but undermining of our potential. What America needs now is a deeper kind of progressive patriotism based upon a profound appreciation of the noble parts of America's history that nonetheless does not shy away from facing current levels of corruption, deception, and misdeeds. In facing America's shadowy truths, though, progressive patriots need to look more deeply than the surface problems and see the noble striving at the core of our country. Such a patriotism begins to access a level that I imagine as the country's soul its core calling, dharma, or destiny. Patriotism that shies away from rigorous truthtelling remains on the surface, relating to our country as a stranger rather than intimate family. A more full-spectrum kind of patriotism is like a key that turns the lock of our country's innermost secrets. Without it, intelligent, rational critiques of policies, structures, and programs often fail. To change America, we must first love it. But once we've established that loving relationship, we must then champion an even greater, more mature version of our country. Even if one believes that we are the greatest country on earth, we are not nearly so great today as we could be tomorrow. That recognition is at the root of progress. Conservatives have often erred on the side of patriotic pride that reinforces the status quo and blinds us to the next higher possibility. They can become rigid and close-minded. Liberals have often dwelt in the critiques to such an extent that they no longer feel authentic love for their country. Their voices can become strident and bitter. Both approaches hold us back from a deeper kind of relationship with our country that is based in a love that transcends dichotomies to embrace the truth of where we are -- including all our failures, inadequacies, and problems -- while still passionately calling us to our highest potential. Our country is still young a late adolescent among civilizations. In relationship to this young adult of a country, we need to take the stance resembling influential teachers, loving our country where it is while also calling it to still greater roles of leadership, service, honor, and creativity. That is when patriotism and progress can go hand in hand. Stephen Dinan If you'd
[FairfieldLife] phase transition maps and Gurus
Phase transition maps are used in engineering to help planners decide the best course of action, given various parameters. For example (I'm making this one up but you get the idea.): Say a sandy stratum underground is saturated with oil. Would it be cost effective to extract the oil? We construct a phase transition map symbolically represented by a square with 4 corners (temperature, pressure, amount of oil per square meter, and permeability of the sand). Plug in the data which locates an x somewhere on the square. Also on the square is a line representing the cost effectiveness of drilling, yes or no. If the x is located on the yes side, the decision is made to drill. If on the other side, don't drill...(you get the idea). Now to construct a phase transition map for Gurus, we have a square with 4 corners, and our parameters are 1. upper left: Personal. 2. Upper right, Impersonal. 3. Lower left, Progressive, 4. lower right, Direct or Non-Progressive. We then select a Guru or religion, placing an x somewhere on the square, after selecting a certain percentage from 0 to 1. For example, take the Hare Krishnas. This is way toward the Personal end, since this is a Personalist religion. It's all quite progressive. How about TM: This is philosophically impersonalist, being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara, ; and although MMY as a Personality is involved, I suspect that a minority of TM'ers are devoted to MMY in a Bhakti kind of way. The path offered through the TMO is highly progressive, so we can locate our x on the map somewhere. Non-progressive (for the most part) paths would be Dzogchen, and the Neo-Advaitins (especially HWL Poonja and his successors); most of whom trace their lineage to Ramana Maharshi. Now the line we draw on the map relates to the particular goal of a Guru, path, or religion. ; and the x oriented to the line denotes the effectiveness of the path in relationship to the goal. But remember always these words of Buckaroo Banzai: whereever you go, there you are!. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Neo-Advaitin website with numerous links
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Re: [FairfieldLife] phase transition maps and Gurus
Might help if you included a diagram with the post. On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote: Phase transition maps are used in engineering to help planners decide the best course of action, given various parameters. For example (I'm making this one up but you get the idea.): Say a sandy stratum underground is saturated with oil. Would it be cost effective to extract the oil? We construct a phase transition map symbolically represented by a square with 4 corners (temperature, pressure, amount of oil per square meter, and permeability of the sand). Plug in the data which locates an x somewhere on the square. Also on the square is a line representing the cost effectiveness of drilling, yes or no. If the x is located on the yes side, the decision is made to drill. If on the other side, don't drill...(you get the idea). Now to construct a phase transition map for Gurus, we have a square with 4 corners, and our parameters are 1. upper left: Personal. 2. Upper right, Impersonal. 3. Lower left, Progressive, 4. lower right, Direct or Non-Progressive. We then select a Guru or religion, placing an x somewhere on the square, after selecting a certain percentage from 0 to 1. For example, take the Hare Krishnas. This is way toward the Personal end, since this is a Personalist religion. It's all quite progressive. How about TM: This is philosophically impersonalist, being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara, ; and although MMY as a Personality is involved, I suspect that a minority of TM'ers are devoted to MMY in a Bhakti kind of way. The path offered through the TMO is highly progressive, so we can locate our x on the map somewhere. Non-progressive (for the most part) paths would be Dzogchen, and the Neo-Advaitins (especially HWL Poonja and his successors); most of whom trace their lineage to Ramana Maharshi. Now the line we draw on the map relates to the particular goal of a Guru, path, or religion. ; and the x oriented to the line denotes the effectiveness of the path in relationship to the goal. But remember always these words of Buckaroo Banzai: whereever you go, there you are!. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil
If I weren't so lazy I'd maintain a website for all these wonderful inventions one hears about periodically. Some time back in this forum we read about an electric motor powered by the earth's magnetic field. I've seen reports on -- and owned -- devices that splice to the fuel line to increase my car's fuel efficiency and reduce pollution. And there are the fuel additives. And the round houses that focus the space's energy to the benefit of the residents, and much more. I wish someone would keep track of this stuff and tell us how it's doing as the years progress -- whether it's been proven a hoax, or is tied up in court, or what. Didn't Maharishi once say that, when collective consciousness rose high enough, all kinds of new inventions would come out that would help us live in a heaven on earth? Whenever I hear about the latest hopeful technology, I wonder if MMY's scenario could be true. Wired magazine has tapped a niche with these sorts of stories. New technology promises magical tomorrow. I have to admit be being a sucker for them, except when they deal with genetic engineering. David O-J: The other day on NPR I heard this really inspiring interview with an MIT scientist who is developing a system of using algae to remove CO2 and NO from powerplant exhaust and at the same time create oil, in one stroke saving the planet from global warming and removing our dependence on the middle east for oil! http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-01-10-algae-powerplants_x.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- feste37 wrote: I read the whole text of his [OBL's] message. Where did you read it? I only saw excerpts. full text at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628932.stm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] phase transition maps and Gurus
On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote:being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara It would appear Shankara was a Vaishnav.At the same time, it's not unusual for Vedic and Advaitin paths to borrow methods from the tantric lines (e.g. Shankara and the Sri Vidya/tantric trip). In the Kali Yuga this is a common pattern: profound non-dual philosophy (many cannot just "get it"), so an equally profound method is required to get you there. So we "borrow" from the tantrics. No, I don't mean sex. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: phase transition maps and Gurus
---Thanks, I'll give it a try: x locates MMY/TM: PERSONAL IMPERSONAL X DIRECT TRANSMISSIONPROGRESSIVE (NON-PROGRESSIVE) X somewhere in there. Such a map, in this case, tends to display for us (with further questioning and analysis), the reasons for the failure of the TMO in fulfilling the goal of spreading TM around the world. Perhaps another phase map including managerial efficiency would be warranted. (this would place MMY somewhere between zero and one percent). Looking at the map, we find that although TM is highly progressive and many would say, effective, ; as a whole the TM Movement started splintering apart early in it's career due to the lack of one-pointedness in the devotional area. TM was offered solely as a technique and (originally), without any demands by MMY regarding the FOCAL POINT OF DEVOTION. Thus, over the years, the TMO lost power as people (like myself - a Buddhist), still continued to practice TM, but have no connection with the TMO). Fundamentalist religions OTOH, generate huge amounts of power and influence in the world since many followers are in lock-step regarding the certainty of their devotional icons. (I'm reminded of the goose-stepping soldiers in N. Korea, all forced into devotion to Kim Jung Il.). Whether forced or not, the neo-conservative religious right in the US and most of the Islamic nations have a predominant and destructive influence on world peace, by virtue of the placement of the x on the phase-transition map, way toward the PERSONAL end of the spectrum. Each of the parameters could generate a secondary field of maps, as a bifurcation process.; since the parameter PERSONAL is just a first approximation. Strong personalities may also exist in Buddhism, for example Sakyamuni Buddha; but due to a combination of factors, we don't see Buddhists fighting it out with their neighbors (exception: Sri Lanka). Might help if you included a diagram with the post. On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote: Phase transition maps are used in engineering to help planners decide the best course of action, given various parameters. For example (I'm making this one up but you get the idea.): Say a sandy stratum underground is saturated with oil. Would it be cost effective to extract the oil? We construct a phase transition map symbolically represented by a square with 4 corners (temperature, pressure, amount of oil per square meter, and permeability of the sand). Plug in the data which locates an x somewhere on the square. Also on the square is a line representing the cost effectiveness of drilling, yes or no. If the x is located on the yes side, the decision is made to drill. If on the other side, don't drill...(you get the idea). Now to construct a phase transition map for Gurus, we have a square with 4 corners, and our parameters are 1. upper left: Personal. 2. Upper right, Impersonal. 3. Lower left, Progressive, 4. lower right, Direct or Non-Progressive. We then select a Guru or religion, placing an x somewhere on the square, after selecting a certain percentage from 0 to 1. For example, take the Hare Krishnas. This is way toward the Personal end, since this is a Personalist religion. It's all quite progressive. How about TM: This is philosophically impersonalist, being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara, ; and although MMY as a Personality is involved, I suspect that a minority of TM'ers are devoted to MMY in a Bhakti kind of way. The path offered through the TMO is highly progressive, so we can locate our x on the map somewhere. Non-progressive (for the most part) paths would be Dzogchen, and the Neo-Advaitins (especially HWL Poonja and his successors); most of whom trace their lineage to Ramana Maharshi. Now the line we draw on the map relates to the particular goal of a Guru, path, or religion. ; and the x oriented to the line denotes the effectiveness of the path in relationship to the goal. But remember always these words of Buckaroo Banzai: whereever you go, there you are!. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon
I haven't seen much Maharishi-talk recently on this forum, probably because a lot of it so patently absurd that it can be dismissed outright as jibberish. The Neo-Advaitins have their own lingo, and pet sayings, most of which is derived from Ramana Maharshi. I find many of his statements to be circular tautologies; and dispute the argument that I'm incapable or undeserving of criticism since I'm not on his level of Realization. If that would be true, then he could be faulted as a teacher by not describing reality adequately, for those on my lower level. Here's what he says: Selected quotes from Be As You Are Arkana Books © 1985 The most advanced realize the self as soon as they are told about its real nature. Those in the second class need to reflect on it for some time before Self-awareness becomes firmly established. Those in the third category are less fortunate since they usually need many years of intensive spiritual practice to achieve the goal of Self-Realization. Page 19 The principle misperception is the idea that the Self is limited to the body and the mind. As soon as one ceases to imagine that one is an individual person, inhabiting a particular body, the whole superstructure of wrong ideas collapses and is replaced by a conscious and permanent awareness of the real Self. Page 19 The feeling 'The body is I' is the error. This false sense of 'I' must go. The real 'I' is always there. It is here and now. It never appears anew and disappears again. That which is must also persist for ever. Thst which appears anew will also be lost. Compare deep sleep and waking. The body appears in one state but not in the other. Therefore the body will be lost. The consiousness was pre-existent and will survive the body. Page 21 So there is a continuity in the sleep and waking states. What is that continuity? It is only the state of pure being. Page 22 ...when passing from sleep to waking the 'I'-thought [individual self] must state and the mind must come into play. Then toughts arise and the functions of the body come into operation. Page 23 Truly there is no cause for you to be miserable and unhappy. You yourself impose limitations on your true nature of infinite being, and then weep that you are but a finite creature. Then you take up this or that spiritual practice to transcend the non-existent limitations. But if your spiritual practice itself assumes the existence of the limitations, how can it help you transcend them. Page 24 Just at that moment he wakes up and finds he has not moved an inch but was seeping where he lay down. He has not returned after great effort to this hall, but is and always has been in the hall. Page 28 Hearing the truth [sravana] is the first stage. If the understanding is not firm one has to practise reflection [manana] and uninterrupted contemplation [nididhyasana] on it. These two processes scorch the seeds of samskaras so they are rendered inneffective. Page 29 The ego is the thought 'I'. The true 'I' is the Self. Page 30 Yes, he [a Jnani] does dream, but he knows it to be a dream, in the same way as he knows the waking state to be a dream. You may call them dream no.1 and dream no.2 Page 37 Showing rows: 1 - 10 of 37 1 |2 |3 |4 Next Click here for Amazon's Be As You Are page Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010122.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Typical Neo-Advaitin jargon
--- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen much Maharishi-talk recently on this forum, probably because a lot of it so patently absurd that it can be dismissed outright as jibberish. The Neo-Advaitins have their own lingo, and pet sayings, most of which is derived from Ramana Maharshi. I find many of his statements to be circular tautologies; and dispute the argument that I'm incapable or undeserving of criticism since I'm not on his level of Realization. If that would be true, then he could be faulted as a teacher by not describing reality adequately, for those on my lower level. Here's what he says: I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. What is so circular or tautological about the quotes you cite? I know Ramana could be the way you describe, but it was usually for people who were seeking, in his judgement, a waking state, conceptual model of Realization which would only hinder their realization. He was more interested in people having direct experience of Self, rather than talking about it. If you think Ramana was this way, you certainly need to steer clear of Nigardatta who would kick anyone's waking state candy ass! Selected quotes from Be As You Are Arkana Books � 1985 The most advanced realize the self as soon as they are told about its real nature. Those in the second class need to reflect on it for some time before Self-awareness becomes firmly established. Those in the third category are less fortunate since they usually need many years of intensive spiritual practice to achieve the goal of Self-Realization. Page 19 The principle misperception is the idea that the Self is limited to the body and the mind. As soon as one ceases to imagine that one is an individual person, inhabiting a particular body, the whole superstructure of wrong ideas collapses and is replaced by a conscious and permanent awareness of the real Self. Page 19 The feeling 'The body is I' is the error. This false sense of 'I' must go. The real 'I' is always there. It is here and now. It never appears anew and disappears again. That which is must also persist for ever. Thst which appears anew will also be lost. Compare deep sleep and waking. The body appears in one state but not in the other. Therefore the body will be lost. The consiousness was pre-existent and will survive the body. Page 21 So there is a continuity in the sleep and waking states. What is that continuity? It is only the state of pure being. Page 22 ...when passing from sleep to waking the 'I'-thought [individual self] must state and the mind must come into play. Then toughts arise and the functions of the body come into operation. Page 23 Truly there is no cause for you to be miserable and unhappy. You yourself impose limitations on your true nature of infinite being, and then weep that you are but a finite creature. Then you take up this or that spiritual practice to transcend the non-existent limitations. But if your spiritual practice itself assumes the existence of the limitations, how can it help you transcend them. Page 24 Just at that moment he wakes up and finds he has not moved an inch but was seeping where he lay down. He has not returned after great effort to this hall, but is and always has been in the hall. Page 28 Hearing the truth [sravana] is the first stage. If the understanding is not firm one has to practise reflection [manana] and uninterrupted contemplation [nididhyasana] on it. These two processes scorch the seeds of samskaras so they are rendered inneffective. Page 29 The ego is the thought 'I'. The true 'I' is the Self. Page 30 Yes, he [a Jnani] does dream, but he knows it to be a dream, in the same way as he knows the waking state to be a dream. You may call them dream no.1 and dream no.2 Page 37 Showing rows: 1 - 10 of 37 1 |2 |3 |4 Next Click here for Amazon's Be As You Are page Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
It should be within the rather broad definition of the vastu-purusha mandala's centremost square--a 3 X 3 magic square at the center of the 9 x 9 square. The Brahmasthan is the 3 X 3 sqaure at the center--and consequently covers a broad area. What are the limits of this square would depend on what is the easternmost point in India and the most western point--same with the north and south.However, as a geologist and cartographer I can also tell you that the earth ain't that simple, it resembles a sphere (but is actually a spheroid) and therefore relies more on spherical geometry. If you could then "rubbersheet it" to it's spheroidal dimensions specific for India, you might have something. Or might not.On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: phase transition maps and Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:10 PM, qntmpkt wrote: being part of the Saivite Tradition of Shankara It would appear Shankara was a Vaishnav. Being said to be an incarnation of Shiva -- that would be interesting. He was a bit special (deva like). Did all his commentaries and all by 16, when his incarnation was supposed to have been up. But was granted an additional 16 years to travel India to set up the maths and all. Drop the mortal coil at 32. At the same time, it's not unusual for Vedic and Advaitin paths to borrow methods from the tantric lines (e.g. Shankara and the Sri Vidya/tantric trip). In the Kali Yuga this is a common pattern: profound non-dual philosophy (many cannot just get it), so an equally profound method is required to get you there. So we borrow from the tantrics. No, I don't mean sex. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
