--- qntmpkt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't seen much "Maharishi-talk" recently on > this forum, probably > because a lot of it so patently absurd that it can > be dismissed > outright as jibberish. > The Neo-Advaitins have their own lingo, and pet > sayings, most of > which is derived from Ramana Maharshi. I find many > of his statements > to be circular tautologies; and dispute the argument > that I'm > incapable or undeserving of criticism since I'm not > on his "level" of > Realization. If that would be true, then he could be > faulted as a > teacher by not describing reality adequately, for > those on my lower > level. Here's what he says: I don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. What is so circular or tautological about the quotes you cite? I know Ramana could be the way you describe, but it was usually for people who were seeking, in his judgement, a waking state, conceptual model of Realization which would only hinder their realization. He was more interested in people having direct experience of Self, rather than talking about it. If you think Ramana was this way, you certainly need to steer clear of Nigardatta who would kick anyone's waking state candy ass! > > > > > > Selected quotes from > "Be As You Are" > Arkana Books > � 1985 > > > "The most advanced realize the self as soon as they > are told about its > real nature. Those in the second class need to > reflect on it for some > time before Self-awareness becomes firmly > established. Those in the > third category are less fortunate since they usually > need many years > of intensive spiritual practice to achieve the goal > of Self-Realization." > Page 19 > > "The principle misperception is the idea that the > Self is limited to > the body and the mind. As soon as one ceases to > imagine that one is an > individual person, inhabiting a particular body, the > whole > superstructure of wrong ideas collapses and is > replaced by a conscious > and permanent awareness of the real Self." > Page 19 > > "The feeling 'The body is I' is the error. This > false sense of 'I' > must go. The real 'I' is always there. It is here > and now. It never > appears anew and disappears again. That which is > must also persist for > ever. Thst which appears anew will also be lost. > Compare deep sleep > and waking. The body appears in one state but not in > the other. > Therefore the body will be lost. The consiousness > was pre-existent and > will survive the body." > Page 21 > > "So there is a continuity in the sleep and waking > states. What is that > continuity? It is only the state of pure being." > Page 22 > > "...when passing from sleep to waking the > 'I'-thought [individual > self] must state and the mind must come into play. > Then toughts arise > and the functions of the body come into operation." > Page 23 > > "Truly there is no cause for you to be miserable and > unhappy. You > yourself impose limitations on your true nature of > infinite being, and > then weep that you are but a finite creature. Then > you take up this or > that spiritual practice to transcend the > non-existent limitations. But > if your spiritual practice itself assumes the > existence of the > limitations, how can it help you transcend them." > Page 24 > > "Just at that moment he wakes up and finds he has > not moved an inch > but was seeping where he lay down. He has not > returned after great > effort to this hall, but is and always has been in > the hall." > Page 28 > > "Hearing the truth [sravana] is the first stage. If > the understanding > is not firm one has to practise reflection [manana] > and uninterrupted > contemplation [nididhyasana] on it. These two > processes scorch the > seeds of samskaras so they are rendered > inneffective." > Page 29 > > "The ego is the thought 'I'. The true 'I' is the > Self." > Page 30 > > "Yes, he [a Jnani] does dream, but he knows it to be > a dream, in the > same way as he knows the waking state to be a dream. > You may call them > dream no.1 and dream no.2" > Page 37 > > Showing rows: 1 - 10 of 37 > 1 |2 |3 |4 Next> > > Click here for Amazon's Be As You Are page > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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