[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

2006-08-19 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
   Carmas are irrelevant.  As I said, he wasn't talking
   about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he
   was saying it didn't matter.  He was taking responsibility
   for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of
   who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do.
  
   Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people carmas ? 
  Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is just silly 
  politicts.
 
 You really aren't getting it, are you?

And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat there in
FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Being a grass roots effort, the foundation would run by a
 to-be-elected board of directors (as stated somewhere in the
 petition info). 
 
 I would imagine that the people most active in promoting the petition,
 and donating time and money, in addition to those  most involved in
 the discussions on the corresponding blog, will be strong candidates
 to be on the Board. Elections would be by all those fulfilling pledges
 (perhaps at a minimum of $20, and 5 hours of work). 
 
 I imagine an inital Board would set up, from memeber / pledger
 discussions, a set of guielines and foundation documents, etc. Within
 several years, initial founders may then pass the torch to others --
 those who are most active, best able to integrate diverse needs, and
 successful in fulfilling the foundations goals.
 
 The purpose of the foundation is to provide a vehicle for the
 disenfranchised, service-focussed and spiritual beings in FF, TMO
 and other groups to pull together to provide a balanced and healing
 force for soothing TMO excesses and harshness -- and provide a way for
 all to participate, celebrate and serve in providing a group
 conciousness field effect for world peace.
 
 

I think such a thing already exists or will soon: it's called the local TM 
centers (Peace 
Palaces) and the forthcoming local flying halls.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Being a grass roots effort, the foundation would run by a
  to-be-elected board of directors (as stated somewhere in the
  petition info). 
  
  I would imagine that the people most active in promoting the petition,
  and donating time and money, in addition to those  most involved in
  the discussions on the corresponding blog, will be strong candidates
  to be on the Board. Elections would be by all those fulfilling pledges
  (perhaps at a minimum of $20, and 5 hours of work). 
  
  I imagine an inital Board would set up, from memeber / pledger
  discussions, a set of guielines and foundation documents, etc. Within
  several years, initial founders may then pass the torch to others --
  those who are most active, best able to integrate diverse needs, and
  successful in fulfilling the foundations goals.
  
  The purpose of the foundation is to provide a vehicle for the
  disenfranchised, service-focussed and spiritual beings in FF, TMO
  and other groups to pull together to provide a balanced and healing
  force for soothing TMO excesses and harshness -- and provide a way for
  all to participate, celebrate and serve in providing a group
  conciousness field effect for world peace.
  
  
 
 I think such a thing already exists or will soon: it's called the
local TM centers (Peace 
 Palaces) and the forthcoming local flying halls.


GREAT! I have been out of touch I guess. So these Peace Palaces will:

1) allow any sidhas to participate in programs in the DOMES or the
peace palaces without any interogation of life outside the domes / palace?

2) have a clear, detailed, immeidate and fully transparent accounting
of all donations?

3) treat all sidhas with repect, dignity and as adults?

When did all this happen?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz

2006-08-19 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
 wrote:
   
on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote:

  There is a time and a place for everything. Having been 
 on 
  a 
   number
  of job interviews, I have not been completely open 
 hearted 
  and
  trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, 
who 
   should've
  just acted in such a way to be able to do her program 
in 
  the 
   dome.
  Act in context.
 
So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you 
 have 
  to 
   lie to
participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her 
   principles to get
what she wanted.
   
   Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is 
 right 
   for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might 
be. 
   After all it is she who created the reality that she was 
denied 
   access to the domes. Why blame others?
  
  I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to 
  raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should 
come. 
  Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are 
 pure 
  and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to 
  participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they have 
  seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs 
that 
  have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very judging 
  against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing 
  openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs.
  I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what 
he 
  does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for 
 years -
   not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should 
 take 
  the first flight to Fairfield - .
  
 You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly?

I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not 
seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am 
just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so 
critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked 
them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand this 
course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not 
believe in MMY?

Ingegerd
  
   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Hernia and brahmacarya

2006-08-19 Thread cardemaister

Recently noticed have got a small (abdominal?)
hernia. Oddly enough, it seems to help me
stay uurdhvaretaH!  :0






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

2006-08-19 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/18/06 4:14 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote:
   
   I personally think Kaplan shoots himself in the foot with his 
 talk of
   enlightened children (how does he know?)and psychics (surely the
   biggest frauds out there!) If he's that credulous perhaps it's 
no
   wonder he handed over so much of his hard-earned without asking 
 where
   it was going.
   
  Earl told me that letter was leaked prematurely. He would have 
 cleaned it up
  a lot before releasing it intentionally.
 
 
 I wonder how that happens.
 
 If a writer is working on a text and he is going through drafts, it 
 usually doesn't go past his own computer.
 
 That is, unless he was having a friend or colleague or employee 
take 
 a look at it for opinions and feedback.  Unless Kaplan was 
 circulating the letter widely for feedback (and then it leaves it 
to 
 an Act of God whether it goes public at that point), then it would 
 have stayed within a controlled, close circle.
 
 And if it was leaked prematurely and it was me who it happened to, 
 then the shit would fly.  I would find out who did it and either 
 fire their ass or find a new friend.



It sounds like a damage limitation exercise to me.






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[FairfieldLife] 'D.C. Theater Production Merges Shakespeare, Maharishi The Beatles'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel



Theatre Love's Labours Lost  The Swan, Stratford-upon-Avon Michael BillingtonSaturday August 19, 2006The Guardian   Stratford's Complete Works season continues to throw up surprises. Washington DC's Shakespeare Theatre Company bring us a Love's Labours Lost that, although full of sprightly invention, is based on an entirely spurious premise: that there is a parallel between Shakespeare's world-fleeing lovers and the pop groups, headed by the Beatles, who flocked to the Maharishi's Ganges ashram in the late 1960s.   Michael Kahn's concept doesn't hold water for two
 minutes. The King of Navarre, Berowne and the rest, by their three-year period of academic seclusion, are consciously seeking fame: the fugitive pop groups who went east were, if anything, escaping its consequences. Shakespeare's play satirises and exploits high-flying conceits and affected verbal pedantry: hardly qualities for which the leading entertainers of the 1960s were renowned. And, although Kahn translates the Princess and her followers into chic tourists and Costard into a hairy hippie, the strain eventually tells.  One particular scene exposes the flaw in Kahn's idea: the famous one in which Berowne eavesdrops on the lovers' successive abandonment of their vows. The separateness of the lovers hiding in different trees, on which the joke depends, is here ruined by the fact that they start to chummily harmonise together on drums and guitar.   Yet, for all its silliness, I couldn't dislike Kahn's production, largely because it is so energetic.
 Heavens knows what a schoolmaster is doing in the middle of an ashram, but Ted van Griethuysen, in the performance of the evening, turns the pedagogic Holofernes into a wonderfully overweening mix of WC Fields and American academic Harold Bloom. He even enters, at one point, bearing a placard describing himself as the author of Shakespeare and Me.   The Princess and her train - who arrive on Vespas, go hunting in pith helmets and shorts, and later sport 1960s micro-skirts - are a fetching bunch, brightly led by Claire Lautier, with Angela Pierce as her bosom pal. Amir Arison's guru-like King, Hank Stratton's buoyant Berowne (oddly pronounced "Beroon") and Michael Milligan's joint-rolling Costard (chanting "We gotta fights the fascists, man") display abundant energy.   As a reinvention of a Shakespeare comedy, it doesn't begin to compare with the Indian Midsummer Night's Dream earlier this year. But, even if its changes are largely cosmetic, they are at least
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   This petition is a call for a pledge to support, via volunteer 
  and/or
   financial resources, the creation of a private foundation to:
   
   i)  monitor and objectively evaluate research on the Maharishi 
  Effect
   (ME) and other peace-creating consciousness field effects, and
   
   ii) to publicize, monitor, provide scholarships for, recruit 
blocks 
  of
   volunteers, and negotiate fair conditions for such, with 
  established,
   new or to-be-established Peace Field Effect organizations, such 
as 
  the
   TMO, and,
   
   iii)  provide or create flexible use agreements within existing
   facilities, or establish new facilities, with appropriate and
   universal-focused use guidelines, for peace field effects 
groups and
   projects, such as the ME, in the US and throughout  the world 
and,
   
   iv) explore parallel efforts and effects to produce substantial
   violence reduction and peace-creating field effects through
   purification of collective consciousness provided by other
   consciousness, yogic, tantric, traditional cultures and 
spiritual
   group service providers.
   
 
  Hehe, Vaj is gone, William is gone, now this fellow appears out 
of 
  the blue. 
 
 Hardly out of the blue. I have been posting for some time. 
 
 This fellow is more clever than the two mentioned, 
 
 faint prise, haha :)
 
  but the 
  agenda 
 
 I asssume you are implying some secret agenda, not the one
 publically expoused -- in this case -- a grass roots effort, to
 provide a vehicle for the disenfranchised, service-focussed and
 spiritual beings in FF, TMO and other groups to pull together to
 provide a balanced and healing force for soothing TMO excesses and
 harshness -- and provide a way for all to participate, celebrate and
 serve in providing a group conciousness field effect for world 
peace.
 
 You seem to see secret agendas in many things. 
 
  is the same; divide and rule. 
 
 Hahaha. And exactly where is the divide and where is the rule?
 If you mean divide the problem, yes. If you mean divide the inertia,
 yes. If you mean conquor inertia, yes. If you mean developing new
 updated rules for creating field effects of consciousness for 
Peace --
 rules that many more people feel comfortable with -- then yes. 
Conquor
 the ignorance and let heaven on earth rule. Thats a beautiful vision
 you have Nablus.
 
  He will not succeed, 
 
 I won't succeed. I fully agree. Because the effort is not about me.
 Success for me is a non question. A mu statement in Zen. I saw a 
need,
 I provided some tools to help solve the problems raised. If others
 want to respond, fine. If they want to use other tools to solve the
 problems and issues, fine.

Why not quickly get into the Domes. Forget the past - Just do it






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Train Noise in Fairfield

2006-08-19 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:

   On a few evenings a while back, I teleconferenced into 
   the Wednesday satsang that Tom Traynor hosted. I 
   couldn't hear what most of the people in the room 
   were saying, but when a train passed outside, I could 
   hear the long-long-short-long blast that trains give 
   as they approach crossings.

Train noise, in general can be serious, and if they are
electric, the EMF voltages are an issue.

Recently, in London, someone did a study of children's
school performance using kids from a particular tower
block. They discovered that all the kids on the side 
nearest the tracks had consistenly lower performance
than those on the side away from the rails. This puzzled
them since sleep problems did not seem to be an issue.

They ran various tests, and discovered that the children 
on the train side had the ability to switch off sound at
will. They did not know it, but they could. They simply 
did not hear sounds that they did not like. The researchers
then discovered that these kids could, and did switch off
the sound of the teacher's voice when they were bored with 
the class.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108

 
 *Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
 Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
 -- Benjamin Franklin
 

Spinoza and Leibniz, born within a few years of each other, both 
recognized and wrote about man's immortality and the process of 
evolution through reincarnation. Concurrently, similar ideas held the 
attention of other great minds. Voltaire in France, Benjamin Franklin 
and Thomas Paine in America, Kant, Herder and Lessing in Germany, Hume 
and Pope in England were all men of the eighteenth century, the age of 
enlightenment and the predominance of rationalism. They all believed in 
the notion of rebirth. Voltaire wrote: The doctrine of metempsychosis 
is, above all, neither absurd nor useless...It is not more surprising 
to be born twice than once; everything in nature is resurrection.

According to Benjamin Creme, Benjamin Franklin is currently in 
incarnation, living in Washington DC.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least here 
in 
  FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
  
  Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines stand 
  and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
citizen 
  sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy saints 
and 
  stuff.
  
  Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of the 
  TMorg with this new earnest initiative?  
 
 Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new 
paradigm,
 appropriate for the current times -- not the past command and 
control
 structures of kali-yuga.
 
 http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035
 
 We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO should be
 less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do something
 mature and responsible about it.
 
 Create our own foundation to: 
 
 - Control donations, accountability and management of to any ME or 
TMO
 project
 
 - provide a power block to negotiate contracts and new rules with
 the TMO
 
 - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, programs, 
rules
 (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, etc.)

Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet :-)) 
as something good. But you miss one central point; what happens 
within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the success and 
the failure is all Maharishis Lila.

What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
orchestrating. He is at the helm.

Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm sorry 
to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.







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[FairfieldLife] 'Iran Prepares For War'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel



Iran says to launch large military exercise www.chinaview.cn 2006-08-18 00:49:13Related special report: Iran Nuclear Crisis   TEHRAN, Aug. 17 (Xinhua) -- The Iranian army said on Thursday that it would launch a large-scale military exercise Saturday, the state television reported.   The maneuver will begin in southeastern Iran Saturday, military spokesman Gen. Mohammad Reza Ashtiani was quoted as saying.   "It will be carried out stage by stage for a period," he added, without revealing exactly when the exercise would end.  "The maneuver is aimed at introducing our new defensive doctrine," Ashtiani said, adding that 12 infantry regiments would participate in the upcoming exercise dubbed "The Blow of Zolfaghar."   Zolfaghar is the sword used by
 Imam Ali, one of the most revered figures for Shiite Muslims.   In addition, Ashtiani said that the maneuver came against a backdrop of tensions in the Mideast, saying "We must be ready to fight against any threat and we should be a role model for other countries."   "The army is prepared to destroy all plots against the Islamic Republic," he added.   In April, Iran launched another large-scale military exercise, the biggest in several years.   During the game, Iran said it had tested advanced weapons including missiles and torpedoes.   The new Iranian war game will come when Tehran is facing heightened pressure as a UN Security Council resolution urges it to halt uranium enrichment by Aug. 31. EnditemEditor:  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz purushaz@ wrote:
 
  Note: forwarded message attached.
 
  A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
  
  Professor Dr. John Konhaus
  Raja of California 
  
  
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in 
the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
  Today marks a most special day in our world. Maharishi has 
informed
 us that a big bubble of stress in world consciousness has burst!
   
  Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been working in their
 domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until the National
 Invincibility number is reached. 
   
  This consolidated effort throughout the United States and around 
the
 world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of stress in world
 consciousness has burst!
   
  Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain because this is 
the
 great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the people an integrated
 Natural Consciousness - 
   
  Today is a great day to raise the flag of the Global Country of
 World Peace.
   
  Maharishi particularly appreciated the Recertified Governors in 
the
 domains who have remained in their territory to support this new
 integration of world consciousness in each of their own areas day 
by day.
   
  He expressed his warm appreciation to all of you.
   
  Jai Guru Dev,
   
  Raja John Konhaus
 
 
 
 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
 
 
 JohnY
 PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?

At least he mentioned Governors. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
  marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
  wrote:

 on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote:
 
   There is a time and a place for everything. Having 
been 
  on 
   a 
number
   of job interviews, I have not been completely open 
  hearted 
   and
   trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, 
 who 
should've
   just acted in such a way to be able to do her program 
 in 
   the 
dome.
   Act in context.
  
 So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you 
  have 
   to 
lie to
 participate in it, and that she should have abandoned her 
principles to get
 what she wanted.

Not really- I am saying that she should act as she feels is 
  right 
for her, and live with the consequences, whatever they might 
 be. 
After all it is she who created the reality that she was 
 denied 
access to the domes. Why blame others?
   
   I just do not understand these things. If it is so important to 
   raise the number in the Dome - saying that everybody should 
 come. 
   Why are they standing at the door and separate people - you are 
  pure 
   and you are impure? Ethical, I would say that if people lie to 
   participate in the Dome - they are not pure - not that they 
have 
   seen some other Gurus here and there. I know some really TBs 
 that 
   have been running to other Gurus in secret - and is very 
judging 
   against other TM-Teachers - Sidhas that has done the same thing 
   openly. It is just a double-moral amongst the TBs.
   I also know TBs that is screaming very high about MMY and what 
 he 
   does for world peace - and have not participated in WPA's for 
  years -
not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should 
  take 
   the first flight to Fairfield - .
   
  You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly?
 
 I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not 
 seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am 
 just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so 
 critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked 
 them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand 
this 
 course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they not 
 believe in MMY?
 
 Ingegerd

 Eh...did Maharishi invite eurpeans to the Invincible America course ?
Ingegerd; do your homework.







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[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation, an article by Felicity Eliot. From Share Internatinal News

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
   What reincarnation could have done for history
by Felicity Eliot


A study of history has certain inevitable consequences, one of which 
is the `what-if' and `if only' theory. This is the sort of awareness 
of what might have happened which only hindsight affords. The 
following is a brutally brief glance at the history of reincarnation —
 a history which tempts one to indulge in more what-iffing than 
usual. For the sake of all, we will suppose Atlantis never was and 
start where standard received history normally begins. Poor Western 
man. For centuries he has suffered, confronted with absurdity, 
meaninglessness and injustice. Death, blind faith, materialism, 
political and patriotic passion were possible antidotes. But whether 
he applied the remedy of faith and dogma, or of materialism, indeed 
whatever was tried, his reality remained fragmented. However he tried 
to make sense of life and death some nagging questions remained. (If 
only the teachings of Origen had not been pronounced anathema...)

There is one way — the way of knowledge through experience and 
intuition. This is the way of the initiates, the great thinkers, 
whose names are well known and whose impact is felt even centuries 
later. Space does not allow anything but the briefest mention of 
these extraordinary and highly evolved people. A list of brilliant 
thinkers, who intuited and taught the doctrine of rebirth is 
virtually endless. Let us name a few: Plato, Pythagoras, Origen, St. 
Augustine, Philo Judaeus, Paracelsus, Boehme, Spinoza, Leibniz, 
Schopenhauer, Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruno, Kant, Blake, 
Schiller, Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, Browning, Flaubert, Wagner, 
Tolstoy, Kipling, Sibelius, McTaggart, Gandhi.

Golden seam

Tracing the idea of rebirth backwards into remote times, we find that 
it runs like a golden seam through the thought and teachings of some 
of these greatest minds and existed too in early cultures. That a 
belief in reincarnation forms a basic part of many eastern religions 
is well known. What may be surprising to some is its acceptance by 
peoples and cultures as diverse as some African tribes and the 
Eskimos; Australian and Finns, Lapps, Danes and Norse; Pacific 
Islanders and Celts of Gaul, Wales, England and Ireland. In other 
words, it is not difficult to make a case for reincarnation. The idea 
seems to have been with mankind from earliest times and in many 
different often unconnected cultures.

In the development of Western civilization the doctrine of rebirth is 
always present: explicit and popular at times, persecuted and forced 
underground at others, the essence of philosophers' teachings, the 
cause of cruel deaths. It formed an integral part of many religions 
including Christianity. The doctrine of metempsychosis was always 
known to esoteric groups: the Egyptian and Greek Mystery Schools, in 
the Hermetic tradition, part of Kabalism, Manicheism, Gnosticism, 
Sufism, to give a few examples.

Philosophical tradition

The great initiate-philosophers knew and taught metempsychosis. 
Pythagoras, Plato, Pindar, Herodotus the historian and Socrates all 
believed in reincarnation. Pythagoras had the surname `Mnesarchides', 
which means `one who remembers his origins'. According to Diogenes 
Laertius in his Life of Pythagoras, the sage talked of previous lives 
which he recalled.

Pindar is quite explicit not only about the soul's immortality and 
its cyclical manifestation but also on the subject of karma and 
evolution into greater divinity: As for those from whom Persephone 
has exacted the penalty of their ancient sins, she once more 
restoreth their souls to the upper sunlight; and from these come into 
being august monarchs, and men who are swift in strength and supreme 
in wisdom; and for all future time, men call them sainted heroes. 
(`supreme in wisdom', `sainted heroes' — a description which accords 
so well with those we have from various disciples of their Masters!) 
Socrates we know of through his pupil Plato; both accepted the 
doctrine of rebirth, which rendered Socrates quite fearless, so that 
he was able to devote his last morning to reasoning on the real 
distinction of the soul from the body, and the grounds for believing 
that it is neither born with the body nor dies with it Plato's 
ideas on reincarnation had an enormous influence on Western 
literature and philosophy. The Platonic Schools of Athens, modelled 
on his Academy, flourished for nine centuries until a decree by 
Justinian forbade their existence.

Rome's history was influenced by neighbouring Greece. (Pythagoras 
settled in southern Italy, where he founded a religious-philosophical 
group. The Stoics held that the soul is immortal and periodically 
reincarnates. A powerful advocate for the idea of rebirth was 
Posidonius, born in Syria a little over a century before Christ. 
Among those who heard him speak was Cicero who himself gradually 
became a reincarnationist. Other famous Roman names 

[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  snip
Carmas are irrelevant.  As I said, he wasn't talking
about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he
was saying it didn't matter.  He was taking responsibility
for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of
who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do.
   
   Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people 
   carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is
   just silly politicts.
  
  You really aren't getting it, are you?
 
 And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat
 there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you.

You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read
many of my or Nablus's posts.  Nor, it appears, have
you even read the exchange you're commenting on.

Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things
before you expostulate.  It'll save you embarrassment.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
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snip
  - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, programs, 
  rules (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, 
  etc.)
 
 Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet
 :-)) as something good. But you miss one central point; what 
 happens within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the 
 success and the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
 
 What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
 orchestrating. He is at the helm.
 
 Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
 this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
 sorry to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.

Unless, of course, it's part of Maharishi Lila.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
According to Benjamin Creme, Benjamin Franklin is currently in
incarnation, living in Washington DC.

I heard he is playing Delta Blues there as a one-man-band.



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  *Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
  Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin
  
 
 Spinoza and Leibniz, born within a few years of each other, both 
 recognized and wrote about man's immortality and the process of 
 evolution through reincarnation. Concurrently, similar ideas held the 
 attention of other great minds. Voltaire in France, Benjamin Franklin 
 and Thomas Paine in America, Kant, Herder and Lessing in Germany, Hume 
 and Pope in England were all men of the eighteenth century, the age of 
 enlightenment and the predominance of rationalism. They all believed in 
 the notion of rebirth. Voltaire wrote: The doctrine of metempsychosis 
 is, above all, neither absurd nor useless...It is not more surprising 
 to be born twice than once; everything in nature is resurrection.
 
 According to Benjamin Creme, Benjamin Franklin is currently in 
 incarnation, living in Washington DC.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi and his methods - and all that jazz

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
  marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
snip
   not even now. If they really mean what they say - they should 
   take the first flight to Fairfield - .
   
  You mean like Spare Egg who doesn't even meditate regularly?
 
 I do not really care - I would not be let in even that I have not 
 seen other Gurus, but because I am an Independent TM-Teacher. I am 
 just fed up by the TBs that seems to be so devoted to MMY, and so 
 critical to everybody else. I think they should run when MMY asked 
 them to run - in that case to Fairfield. As far as I understand
 this course is for saving the world, not only America. or do they 
 not believe in MMY?

It's amazing to me how hard it is for Ingegerd and
some others here to understand that pointing out the
absurdity of a lot of the criticism of MMY does not
necessarily mean believing in MMY to the extent
of taking every word he says as Ultimate Truth.

It's as if they see only the two ends of the 
spectrum--total belief and total disbelief--with
nothing in between.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in the
Domain of Raja John Konhaus,

Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.


JohnY
PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?


We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys are the nails in
the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes! 









--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz purushaz@ wrote:
 
  Note: forwarded message attached.
 
  A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
  
  Professor Dr. John Konhaus
  Raja of California 
  
  
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
  Today marks a most special day in our world. Maharishi has informed
 us that a big bubble of stress in world consciousness has burst!
   
  Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been working in their
 domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until the National
 Invincibility number is reached. 
   
  This consolidated effort throughout the United States and around the
 world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of stress in world
 consciousness has burst!
   
  Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain because this is the
 great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the people an integrated
 Natural Consciousness - 
   
  Today is a great day to raise the flag of the Global Country of
 World Peace.
   
  Maharishi particularly appreciated the Recertified Governors in the
 domains who have remained in their territory to support this new
 integration of world consciousness in each of their own areas day by
day.
   
  He expressed his warm appreciation to all of you.
   
  Jai Guru Dev,
   
  Raja John Konhaus
 
 
 
 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
 
 
 JohnY
 PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone tried the BodyVed program?

2006-08-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for responding Steve.  You brought up some great memories.  I
would love to go to South India someday.  I'm sure your trips back are
full of amazing experiences.  Remember the phrase in most places you
can watch the bottom fall out of your world, but in New Delhi you can
watch the world fall out of your bottom!  We really proved that true
in NOIDA!  I still had a great time there.  Life changing even without
the TM stuff.  I'm glad to hear that you are doing so well.  I will
pass on the news to Roger F. who is living in NYC and doing great
also.  You can email me if you want more details.  Take care Steve.



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
 Hey Curtis,
 
 I've been meaning to say hello as well. The last time I saw you was 
 in Noida and you just visited Triguna and bought a ton of herbs from 
 his recommendation and you basically took them all and got real 
 sick!  Noida was something, do you know that that whole area now is 
 incredibly developed super city. Who would have thought.
 
 I also remember your magic ventriliquist acts, we had some fun 
 times. Looks like you have been stirring up all kinds of fun here.
 
 I'm living in Santa Monica, partners in a software development 
 company called AmbaSoft and who would have thought that I would ever 
 return to India after the Vedic Science course, but I've been back 6 
 more times, visiting my partner in Madras/Chennai, and rarely got 
 sick.
 
 Keep playing the blues Curtis,
 
 Steve
 
 
  Hey Steve,
  
  I remember you and your great sense of humor very well from Avon 
 Park.
   Hope all is cool in your world.
  
  Curtis
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, abutilon108 
   abutilon108@ wrote:
   
Wondering if anyone has tried the BodyVed program and if so, 
 what 
   the
experience with it has been.  Any results?
   
   Here is what I posted a while ago when Rick mentioned 
 Bodyved.com:
   
   
   Thanks Rick for sharing Neil's website. I've known Neil since 
 the
   early Avon Park days, when Neil was in charge of the flower 
 growing
   operation and did an amazing job. I re-connected with him a few
   years ago and he hasn't changed a bit. I encourage everyone to 
 check
   out his site and read about his consciousness breakthroughs and 
 his
   BodyVed program which I have been on for a year now and have seen
   amazing changes in my health and prosperity. It really works and 
 he
   is very accessible via phone. Highly recommend getting a hold of
   Neil.
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Why do people discontinue (raaja-)yoga?

2006-08-19 Thread cardemaister

Does YS I 30 enumerate the principal reasons why
people discontinue practising yoga?

vyaadhistyaanasa.nshayapramaadaalasyaaviratibhraantidarshanaalabdhabhuu-
mikatvaanavasthitatvaani chittavikshepaaste.antaraayaaH .. 30..

Without sandhi:

vyaadhi-styaana-saMshaya-pramaada+aalasya-avirati-
bhraanti_darshana-alabdha_bhuumikatva-anavasthitatvaani chitta-
vikshepaaH; te; antaraayaaH .. 30..

Translation by BonGiovanni:

1.30. Disease, inertia, doubt, lack of enthusiasm, laziness, sensuality,
mind-wandering, missing the point, instability- these distractions of 
the mind are the obstacles.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread Peter


--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
 Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
 laugh or cry.
 
 
 JohnY
 PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
 
 
 We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys
 are the nails in
 the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes!

Their penises are deluded? Penises are usually quite
grounded and on-task 24/7. 





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
 purushaz@ wrote:
  
   Note: forwarded message attached.
  
   A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
   
   Professor Dr. John Konhaus
   Raja of California 
   
   
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas
 and Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,

   Today marks a most special day in our world.
 Maharishi has informed
  us that a big bubble of stress in world
 consciousness has burst!

   Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
 working in their
  domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
 the National
  Invincibility number is reached. 

   This consolidated effort throughout the United
 States and around the
  world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
 stress in world
  consciousness has burst!

   Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
 because this is the
  great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
 people an integrated
  Natural Consciousness - 

   Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
 Global Country of
  World Peace.

   Maharishi particularly appreciated the
 Recertified Governors in the
  domains who have remained in their territory to
 support this new
  integration of world consciousness in each of
 their own areas day by
 day.

   He expressed his warm appreciation to all of
 you.

   Jai Guru Dev,

   Raja John Konhaus
  
  
  
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
 Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether
 to laugh or cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108


 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
 
 
 JohnY
 PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
 
 
 We are all living in some Raja's domain? 

Of course you are, get used to it :-) 
It will do you good.

I remember John Konhaus. He had an interesting aura. It won't hurt to 
listen to him.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Am I the only one who has noticed Judy's bigoted attitude towards the South?

2006-08-19 Thread Peter
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[FairfieldLife] 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel
I was planning on returning to Madison, this Tuesday, by bus;
But since this announcement, by Maharishi, and John;
I should just come to Fairfield, I should guess...
I hope there's a place to stay, as John said; 
Kind of broke right now...

Anyway, as far as meditating together, I don't see why meditating in 
town, at the same hour, as the group in the dome;
I don't see why this is not as effective.
I can't imagine the Maharishi Effect, saving the world, because of 
its power to radiate infinity, couldn't contain, the City of 
Fairfield.
In other words, just meditate at home at the same hour;
Wherever you happen to be; and have the Intention;
To connect with everyone else in the group.
This in itself is a practice of Sanyama;
'Staying with the 'simplest state of awareness',
'While having just the intention, the faint intention:
To be connected to all who are with you, meditating together...
All who are in the dome are Blessed to be doing this special work;
For the good of the world, and for the satisfaction of the Master;
In his life-long sincere work, to make the world a safe, and peaceful 
place...
So, if these are the rules, then so be it.
Everyone is playing out some part, as Shakespeare said.
R.G.  Seattle, Washington.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
I'll bet the Raja's little rajas have been unemployed for years!




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 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
  laugh or cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys
  are the nails in
  the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes!
 
 Their penises are deluded? Penises are usually quite
 grounded and on-task 24/7. 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  jyouells@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
  purushaz@ wrote:
   
Note: forwarded message attached.
   
A day of victory on Krishna's birthday

Professor Dr. John Konhaus
Raja of California 


Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas
  and Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
Today marks a most special day in our world.
  Maharishi has informed
   us that a big bubble of stress in world
  consciousness has burst!
 
Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
  working in their
   domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
  the National
   Invincibility number is reached. 
 
This consolidated effort throughout the United
  States and around the
   world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
  stress in world
   consciousness has burst!
 
Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
  because this is the
   great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
  people an integrated
   Natural Consciousness - 
 
Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
  Global Country of
   World Peace.
 
Maharishi particularly appreciated the
  Recertified Governors in the
   domains who have remained in their territory to
  support this new
   integration of world consciousness in each of
  their own areas day by
  day.
 
He expressed his warm appreciation to all of
  you.
 
Jai Guru Dev,
 
Raja John Konhaus
   
   
   
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
   Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether
  to laugh or cry.
   
   
   JohnY
   PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread pitoy ko dako
Self-employed more likely.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in 
the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  We are all living in some Raja's domain? 
 
 Of course you are, get used to it :-) 
 It will do you good.
 
 I remember John Konhaus. He had an interesting aura. It won't hurt 
to 
 listen to him.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   

This petition is a call for a pledge to support, via 
volunteer 
   and/or
financial resources, the creation of a private foundation to:

i)  monitor and objectively evaluate research on the 
Maharishi 
   Effect
(ME) and other peace-creating consciousness field effects, 
and

ii) to publicize, monitor, provide scholarships for, recruit 
 blocks 
   of
volunteers, and negotiate fair conditions for such, with 
   established,
new or to-be-established Peace Field Effect organizations, 
such 
 as 
   the
TMO, and,

iii)  provide or create flexible use agreements within 
existing
facilities, or establish new facilities, with appropriate and
universal-focused use guidelines, for peace field effects 
 groups and
projects, such as the ME, in the US and throughout  the 
world 
 and,

iv) explore parallel efforts and effects to produce 
substantial
violence reduction and peace-creating field effects through
purification of collective consciousness provided by other
consciousness, yogic, tantric, traditional cultures and 
 spiritual
group service providers.

  
   Hehe, Vaj is gone, William is gone, now this fellow appears 
out 
 of 
   the blue. 
  
  Hardly out of the blue. I have been posting for some time. 
  
  This fellow is more clever than the two mentioned, 
  
  faint prise, haha :)
  
   but the 
   agenda 
  
  I asssume you are implying some secret agenda, not the one
  publically expoused -- in this case -- a grass roots effort, to
  provide a vehicle for the disenfranchised, service-focussed and
  spiritual beings in FF, TMO and other groups to pull together to
  provide a balanced and healing force for soothing TMO excesses 
and
  harshness -- and provide a way for all to participate, celebrate 
and
  serve in providing a group conciousness field effect for world 
 peace.
  
  You seem to see secret agendas in many things. 
  
   is the same; divide and rule. 
  
  Hahaha. And exactly where is the divide and where is 
the rule?
  If you mean divide the problem, yes. If you mean divide the 
inertia,
  yes. If you mean conquor inertia, yes. If you mean developing new
  updated rules for creating field effects of consciousness for 
 Peace --
  rules that many more people feel comfortable with -- then yes. 
 Conquor
  the ignorance and let heaven on earth rule. Thats a beautiful 
vision
  you have Nablus.
  
   He will not succeed, 
  
  I won't succeed. I fully agree. Because the effort is not about 
me.
  Success for me is a non question. A mu statement in Zen. I saw a 
 need,
  I provided some tools to help solve the problems raised. If 
others
  want to respond, fine. If they want to use other tools to solve 
the
  problems and issues, fine.
 
 Why not quickly get into the Domes. Forget the past - Just do it


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...






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[FairfieldLife] 'Shunned From The Dome/Like Being On 'No Fly List'...

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel



Well sort of;  It's like the same thing in a way;  There you are at the airport, waiting to board;  And someone says, you're on some kind of list;  And you cannot board the aircraft.  Oh well,   Got to take the bus now...  R.G. Seattle, Washington... 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
here 
 in 
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
stand 
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
 citizen 
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
saints 
 and 
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of 
the 
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?  
  
  Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new 
 paradigm,
  appropriate for the current times -- not the past command and 
 control
  structures of kali-yuga.
  
  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035
  
  We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO should 
be
  less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do 
something
  mature and responsible about it.
  
  Create our own foundation to: 
  
  - Control donations, accountability and management of to any ME 
or 
 TMO
  project
  
  - provide a power block to negotiate contracts and new rules 
with
  the TMO
  
  - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, programs, 
 rules
  (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, etc.)
 
 Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet :-
)) 
 as something good. But you miss one central point; what happens 
 within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the success 
and 
 the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
 
 What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
 orchestrating. He is at the helm.
 
 Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
 this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
sorry 
 to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.



So, I guess action by people who meditate is totally 
useless...unless your guru sanctions it.

And what path is this that cult member Nablus advocates?

It ain't TM!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and Meditators in 
the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to laugh or 
cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  We are all living in some Raja's domain? 
 
 Of course you are, get used to it :-) 
 It will do you good.



Why will it do us good?

Because your cult guru declared it?




 
 I remember John Konhaus. He had an interesting aura.



You see auras, Nablus?



 It won't hurt to 
 listen to him.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
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 I'll bet the Raja's little rajas have been unemployed for years!



...as in Little Elvis's...?




 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
 
  
  
  --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  wrote:
  
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
   Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
   Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
   laugh or cry.
   
   
   JohnY
   PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
   
   
   We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys
   are the nails in
   the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes!
  
  Their penises are deluded? Penises are usually quite
  grounded and on-task 24/7. 
  
  
  
  
  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
   jyouells@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
   purushaz@ wrote:

 Note: forwarded message attached.

 A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
 
 Professor Dr. John Konhaus
 Raja of California 
 
 
 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas
   and Meditators in the
Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
 Today marks a most special day in our world.
   Maharishi has informed
us that a big bubble of stress in world
   consciousness has burst!
  
 Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
   working in their
domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
   the National
Invincibility number is reached. 
  
 This consolidated effort throughout the United
   States and around the
world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
   stress in world
consciousness has burst!
  
 Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
   because this is the
great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
   people an integrated
Natural Consciousness - 
  
 Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
   Global Country of
World Peace.
  
 Maharishi particularly appreciated the
   Recertified Governors in the
domains who have remained in their territory to
   support this new
integration of world consciousness in each of
   their own areas day by
   day.
  
 He expressed his warm appreciation to all of
   you.
  
 Jai Guru Dev,
  
 Raja John Konhaus



Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
   Meditators in the
Domain of Raja John Konhaus,

Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether
   to laugh or cry.


JohnY
PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






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  people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on 
  while it is appealed.Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless 
  wiretapping.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
  laugh or cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys
  are the nails in
  the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes!
 
 Their penises are deluded? Penises are usually quite
 grounded and on-task 24/7. 




...not unless you're cardemeister and your penis is out of 
commission due to a hernia and urdvareta.




 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000
  jyouells@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
  purushaz@ wrote:
   
Note: forwarded message attached.
   
A day of victory on Krishna's birthday

Professor Dr. John Konhaus
Raja of California 


Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas
  and Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
Today marks a most special day in our world.
  Maharishi has informed
   us that a big bubble of stress in world
  consciousness has burst!
 
Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
  working in their
   domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
  the National
   Invincibility number is reached. 
 
This consolidated effort throughout the United
  States and around the
   world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
  stress in world
   consciousness has burst!
 
Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
  because this is the
   great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
  people an integrated
   Natural Consciousness - 
 
Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
  Global Country of
   World Peace.
 
Maharishi particularly appreciated the
  Recertified Governors in the
   domains who have remained in their territory to
  support this new
   integration of world consciousness in each of
  their own areas day by
  day.
 
He expressed his warm appreciation to all of
  you.
 
Jai Guru Dev,
 
Raja John Konhaus
   
   
   
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
   Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether
  to laugh or cry.
   
   
   JohnY
   PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






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  people want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on 
  while it is appealed.Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless 
  wiretapping.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
  wrote:
 snip
   - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, 
programs, 
   rules (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, 
   etc.)
  
  Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet
  :-)) as something good. But you miss one central point; what 
  happens within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the 
  success and the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
  
  What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
  orchestrating. He is at the helm.
  
  Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
  this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
  sorry to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.
 
 Unless, of course, it's part of Maharishi Lila.

Is that an option ? It involves that Maharishi does not really mean 
what he says.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
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 I was planning on returning to Madison, this Tuesday, by bus;
 But since this announcement, by Maharishi, and John;
 I should just come to Fairfield, I should guess...
 I hope there's a place to stay, as John said; 
 Kind of broke right now...
 
 Anyway, as far as meditating together, I don't see why meditating 
in 
 town, at the same hour, as the group in the dome;
 I don't see why this is not as effective.
 I can't imagine the Maharishi Effect, saving the world, because of 
 its power to radiate infinity, couldn't contain, the City of 
 Fairfield.
 In other words, just meditate at home at the same hour;
 Wherever you happen to be; and have the Intention;
 To connect with everyone else in the group.
 This in itself is a practice of Sanyama;
 'Staying with the 'simplest state of awareness',
 'While having just the intention, the faint intention:
 To be connected to all who are with you, meditating together...
 All who are in the dome are Blessed to be doing this special work;
 For the good of the world, and for the satisfaction of the Master;
 In his life-long sincere work, to make the world a safe, and 
peaceful 
 place...
 So, if these are the rules, then so be it.
 Everyone is playing out some part, as Shakespeare said.
 R.G.  Seattle, Washington.

 It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just come 
together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/18/06 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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And 
  isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted to this 
  as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by far more 
  important.No , not at all. Most people 
  want the current NSA program in place and it is still going on while 
  it is appealed. So nothing has really changed and probably won't till 
  the Supreme Court hears it. It will make an excellent campaign issue. 
  Liar. Most people do not want the current NSA program in place. 
  Where did you get that information? FUX News?*"Those who would 
  give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve 
  neither Liberty nor Safety."-- Benjamin 
Franklin*

Washington Post. not exactly a Conservative news paper or one friendly to 
the administration.Read for yourself.Poll: 
Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread gullible fool

 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
 Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
 laugh or cry.

It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
representing the movement. Now that non-certified
governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
just an empty title.

--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Note: forwarded message attached.
 
  A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
  
  Professor Dr. John Konhaus
  Raja of California 
  
  
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
 Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
  Today marks a most special day in our world.
 Maharishi has informed
 us that a big bubble of stress in world
 consciousness has burst!
   
  Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
 working in their
 domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
 the National
 Invincibility number is reached. 
   
  This consolidated effort throughout the United
 States and around the
 world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
 stress in world
 consciousness has burst!
   
  Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
 because this is the
 great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
 people an integrated
 Natural Consciousness - 
   
  Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
 Global Country of
 World Peace.
   
  Maharishi particularly appreciated the Recertified
 Governors in the
 domains who have remained in their territory to
 support this new
 integration of world consciousness in each of their
 own areas day by day.
   
  He expressed his warm appreciation to all of you.
   
  Jai Guru Dev,
   
  Raja John Konhaus
 
 
 
 Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
 Meditators in the
 Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
 
 Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
 laugh or cry.
 
 
 JohnY
 PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/18/06 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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*"Those 
  who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, 
  deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-- Benjamin 
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Benjamin Franklin also said "an apple a day keeps thedoctor away". 
Not exactly an absolute truth IMHO.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 snip
  No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program in 
place
  and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
 
 Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
 
 
 
 
 _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)



Gee.

I wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.

Hell, frozen over...NOT.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
   dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
   
Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
 here 
  in 
FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.

Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
 stand 
and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
  citizen 
sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
 saints 
  and 
stuff.

Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of 
 the 
TMorg with this new earnest initiative?  
   
   Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new 
  paradigm,
   appropriate for the current times -- not the past command and 
  control
   structures of kali-yuga.
   
   http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035
   
   We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO 
should 
 be
   less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do 
 something
   mature and responsible about it.
   
   Create our own foundation to: 
   
   - Control donations, accountability and management of to any ME 
 or 
  TMO
   project
   
   - provide a power block to negotiate contracts and new rules 
 with
   the TMO
   
   - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, 
programs, 
  rules
   (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, etc.)
  
  Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet :-
 )) 
  as something good. But you miss one central point; what happens 
  within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the success 
 and 
  the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
  
  What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
  orchestrating. He is at the helm.
  
  Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
  this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
 sorry 
  to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.
 
 
 
 So, I guess action by people who meditate is totally 
 useless...

No

unless your guru sanctions it.

Yes


 
 And what path is this that cult member Nablus advocates?
 
 It ain't TM!

Of course it is








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 8/18/06 
  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
   , MDixon6569@, MDi snip  No , not at all. 
  Most people want the current NSA program in place  and it is 
  still going on while it is appealed.  Wrong. A majority do NOT 
  want warrantless wiretapping. 
  _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)Gee.I 
  wonder if Judy will say: "I stand corrected."Hell, frozen 
  over...NOT. 

Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
  laugh or cry.
 
 It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
 called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
 'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
 representing the movement. Now that non-certified
 governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
 the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
 just an empty title.

We are still TM-teachers. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
   wrote:
  snip
- create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, 
 programs, 
rules (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, 
alerts, 
etc.)
   
   Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet
   :-)) as something good. But you miss one central point; what 
   happens within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, 
the 
   success and the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
   
   What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
   orchestrating. He is at the helm.
   
   Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try 
to balance 
   this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm 
   sorry to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.
  
  Unless, of course, it's part of Maharishi Lila.
 
 Is that an option ? It involves that Maharishi does not really mean 
 what he says.

Which may also be part of Maharish Lila.

Once you invoke Maharishi Lila, all bets are off,
you see.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
 MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  jstein@ writes:
   
  --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
  , MDixon6569@, MDi
  snip
   No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program in
   place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.
  
  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.
  
   _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
 dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
 
 Gee.
 
 I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
 
 Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
 
 Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.

Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.

The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
you to wiggle out of it.

I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
a liar.

Your choice.






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[FairfieldLife] carman karman

2006-08-19 Thread cardemaister

 carman [pronounce ~ts(h)arman] n. hide , skin RV. AV. iv f. x ff. 
TS. c. ; bark W. ; parchment W. ; a shield MBh. R. BhP. Katha1s. ; = 
%{-rmA7khya} Car. vi , 7 , 11 ; [cf. %{gala-} , %{duz-} ; $ ; Lat. 
{corium} ; Hib. {croicionn}.]  

 karman n. action, deed, work, esp. holy work, sacrifice, rite; 
result, effect; organ of sense; the direct object (g.); fate, 
destiny. 

Well, the forms carman and karman may be called oblique
case stems, because as opposed to the nominative singular
(carma, karma),most other inflectional cases have the 
stem that ends in 'n', e.g. carman-i 'on the skin?',
karman-i 'in the action?'. OTOH, karmaani , plural 'actions'
as in yogasthaH kuru karmaani.

In Swedish the Sanskrit locative case ending 'i' has been
moved in front of words and separated to become a preposition,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ wrote:
 
  
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
   Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
   Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
   laugh or cry.
  
  It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
  called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
  'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
  representing the movement. Now that non-certified
  governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
  the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
  just an empty title.
 
 We are still TM-teachers.


No, we're not.

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
  laugh or cry.
 
 It's not even accurate. The reason some sidhas were
 called 'governors' was because they were supposed to
 'govern the trends of time' by flying, teaching, and
 representing the movement. Now that non-certified
 governors are allowed to do no more than the first of
 the three, they're not really governors anymore. It's
 just an empty title.
 
It was always a fairly empty title. I'll have to admit when I first
read this tagline it made me laugh alot. What's sad is that they would
all be strung together Recertifying siddhas, call it a feeble
attempt at humor, for now. 

JohnY




 --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz
  purushaz@ wrote:
  
   Note: forwarded message attached.
  
   A day of victory on Krishna's birthday
   
   Professor Dr. John Konhaus
   Raja of California 
   
   
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,

   Today marks a most special day in our world.
  Maharishi has informed
  us that a big bubble of stress in world
  consciousness has burst!

   Maharishi said that, all the Rajas have been
  working in their
  domains and focused to send the yogic flyers until
  the National
  Invincibility number is reached. 

   This consolidated effort throughout the United
  States and around the
  world has had a very great effect. a big bubble of
  stress in world
  consciousness has burst!

   Now, today, flags will be raised in every domain
  because this is the
  great day of victory. Rajas have offered to the
  people an integrated
  Natural Consciousness - 

   Today is a great day to raise the flag of the
  Global Country of
  World Peace.

   Maharishi particularly appreciated the Recertified
  Governors in the
  domains who have remained in their territory to
  support this new
  integration of world consciousness in each of their
  own areas day by day.

   He expressed his warm appreciation to all of you.

   Jai Guru Dev,

   Raja John Konhaus
  
  
  
  Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
  Meditators in the
  Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
  
  Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
  laugh or cry.
  
  
  JohnY
  PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least here in 
 FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
 
 Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines stand 
 and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular citizen 
 sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy saints and 
 stuff.
 
 Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of the 
 TMorg with this new earnest initiative? 


At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the street by people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called last night said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their friends, even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and that only about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal reasons. If the course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to agree to do nothing other than Maharishis techniques in the dome, and that they wont concern themselves with anything other than that, Ill consider applying.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/19/06 10:56:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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I'm 
  going to give you a chance to amend your assertionto reflect the facts. If 
  you don't, I'll expose you asa liar.Your 
choice.

Wow! Have at it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  I was planning on returning to Madison, this Tuesday, by bus;
  But since this announcement, by Maharishi, and John;
  I should just come to Fairfield, I should guess...
  I hope there's a place to stay, as John said; 
  Kind of broke right now...
  
  Anyway, as far as meditating together, I don't see why meditating 
 in 
  town, at the same hour, as the group in the dome;
  I don't see why this is not as effective.
  I can't imagine the Maharishi Effect, saving the world, because of 
  its power to radiate infinity, couldn't contain, the City of 
  Fairfield.
  In other words, just meditate at home at the same hour;
  Wherever you happen to be; and have the Intention;
  To connect with everyone else in the group.
  This in itself is a practice of Sanyama;
  'Staying with the 'simplest state of awareness',
  'While having just the intention, the faint intention:
  To be connected to all who are with you, meditating together...
  All who are in the dome are Blessed to be doing this special work;
  For the good of the world, and for the satisfaction of the Master;
  In his life-long sincere work, to make the world a safe, and 
 peaceful 
  place...
  So, if these are the rules, then so be it.
  Everyone is playing out some part, as Shakespeare said.
  R.G.  Seattle, Washington.
 
  It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just come 
 together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
 hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.


I suppose God is vengful too!?

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[FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Urged To Avoid Arrest in Germany'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel



Wednesday, 16 August 2006, 07:33 GMT 08:33 UK   Germany to monitor Madonna show   German prosecutors are to monitor Madonna's concert to determine whether a mock crucifixion could be construed as insulting religious beliefs.   The segment of her tour where she appears on a cross wearing a crown of thorns has provoked controversy in several countries.   Prosecutors admit they will rely on media reports of the concert rather than send their own observers.   Madonna will play in Dusseldorf on Sunday, following on from her UK dates.   Religious leaders have objected to the
 performance, which Madonna says is part of an appeal for Aids charities.   'In context'   Vatican Cardinal Ersilio Tonino, who spoke with the approval of the Pope, called the concert "a blasphemous challenge to the faith" and a "profanation of the cross".   He also called for Madonna, who was raised as a Catholic, to be excommunicated.   Muslim and Jewish leaders in Rome also raised objections before the star's concert in the city on 6 August.   However, the performance went ahead, including the segment on the cross.   Madonna's New York-based spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, denied that the star's show was insulting.   "The context of Madonna's performance on the crucifix is not negative nor disrespectful toward the church," she said.  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
   No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program in 
   place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
  
  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.

 _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 

 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)

I gave MDixon a chance to present these facts
himself or be exposed as a liar.  Astonishingly,
he preferred to be exposed as a liar.  So be it:

The court decision that is being appealed forbids
the part of the NSA program that involves 
WARRANTLESS wiretapping.

The poll MDixon cites does not mention WARRANTLESS
wiretapping in its questions.  It simply asks about
approval of NSA's wiretapping.

A majority approve of wiretapping.

A majority, as measured by at least a half-dozen
other polls that *do* ask about WARRENTLESS
wiretapping, DISAPPROVE OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING.

This is a crucial distinction, and MDixon knows it.
There would be no court case if it weren't for
WARRANTLESS wiretapping; that's what the court was
asked to decide, whether WARRANTLESS wiretapping
should be permitted.

The court decided it should *not* be permitted, just
as a majority of Americans think it should *not* be
permitted.

The Republicans--aided here, sadly, by MDixon--are
deliberately obscuring this distinction.  The
liberal Washington Post failed to make this
distinction in its poll questions, reporting the
results of the poll as if WARRANTLESS wiretapping
weren't even an issue, as if a majority approved of
everything in the NSA program.

So much for the Post being, in MDixon's words,
not friendly to the Bush administration.

The attempted deceit--by the Republicans, the Post,
and MDixon--is disgraceful and inexcusable.  The
Republicans are painting Democrats as opposing the
NSA program *as a whole* and therefore weak on
national security.  But there is *no* Democrat 
running for office who opposes NSA wiretaps *as long
as there is judicial oversight*, i.e., as long as
the government is required to obtain a warrant.

A majority of the American people, as I said and
as MDixon falsely denied, are opposed to WARRANTLESS
wiretapping.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  shempmcgurk@ writes:
  
   
  In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
  MDixon6569@,  MDi
  
   
   In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time, 
   jstein@ writes:

   --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
   , MDixon6569@, MDi
   snip
No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program in
place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.
   
   Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.
   
_Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
   (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
  dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
  
  Gee.
  
  I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
  
  Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
  
  Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
 
 Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
 know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
 cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
 
 The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
 from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
 you to wiggle out of it.
 
 I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
 to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
 a liar.
 
 Your choice.


MDixon:

Now you know why Turquoise almost went into a mental hospital.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
here in
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
stand
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
citizen
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
saints and
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of 
the
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
  
 
 At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
street by
 people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
last night
 said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their 
friends,
 even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
that ³only
 about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
reasons.² If the
 course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to 
agree to
 do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and that 
they
 won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
consider
 applying.


It will be their gain is they let you go; their loss if they don't.

Good luck.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread chaim_laib
Rick

Why would you even bother at this point? It would seem like a victory,
for the Capital, and one they could use to their benefit, See, Rick
Archer agreed to do things out way kinda thing. It would certainly
get lots of tongues wagging. You could be the representative return
of the Prodigal Son.  

You've made personal choices in your life, you are doing a practice
that works for you. If acquiescing would work for you, so be it, but
wouldn't it mean no longer using the mantra you received from Amma and
going back to your TM mantra? 

You don't think your two hours (or however much time) per day in your
program is contributing (if one believes this line of thought) to the
overall grand scheme of world peace?

To thine own self be true. 
-W. Shakespeare

Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay
centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate.
-Chuang Tsu

Chaim L. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least here in
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines stand
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular citizen
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy saints and
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of the
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
  
 
 At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the
street by
 people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called
last night
 said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their
friends,
 even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and
that ³only
 about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal
reasons.² If the
 course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to
agree to
 do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and that they
 won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll consider
 applying.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  shempmcgurk@ writes:
  
   
  In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
  MDixon6569@,  MDi
  
   
   In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time, 
   jstein@ writes:

   --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
   , MDixon6569@, MDi
   snip
No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program in
place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.
   
   Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.
   
_Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
   (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
  dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
  
  Gee.
  
  I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
  
  Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
  
  Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
 
 Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
 know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
 cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
 
 The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
 from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
 you to wiggle out of it.
 
 I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
 to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
 a liar.



That's his choice?

He's either a liar or he's wrong and has to amend his assertion?

Even when it's quite clear to virtually any sane person who reads 
this debate that he's right and you're wrong?

There's no middle ground?

It's not even possible that MDixon made an innocent mistake...he's 
just a flat out liar?

What is it in you, Judy, that makes you fill this forum with such 
hate?



 
 Your choice.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel
 (snip)
  It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just 
come 
 together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
 hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.


What worked during the Cuba Crises?
Are you talking about 1962?
Was there a 'Super-Radiance course in the dome;
In 1962?
I don't follow?...what Cuba Crises?






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[FairfieldLife] The saddest post

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ wrote:


[snip]

  So, if these are the rules, then so be it.
  Everyone is playing out some part, as Shakespeare said.
  R.G.  Seattle, Washington.
 
  It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just 
come 
 together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
 hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.



This is so sad.

This TM cultist has now become a fundamentalist Christian:  accept 
Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior or you will burn in 
hell forever...

...is replaced by...

...unless you come to the Dome, there are untold hardships that will 
be visited upon you.  Nature is angry...

In other words, follow the Maharishi out of fear, not out of 
conviction or genuine desire to help out the world at this perilous 
time.

The TMO Trinity: Fear, exclusion, intolerance.

I weep.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

2006-08-19 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   snip
 Carmas are irrelevant.  As I said, he wasn't talking
 about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he
 was saying it didn't matter.  He was taking responsibility
 for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of
 who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do.

Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people 
carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is
just silly politicts.
   
   You really aren't getting it, are you?
  
  And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat
  there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you.
 
 You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read
 many of my or Nablus's posts.  Nor, it appears, have
 you even read the exchange you're commenting on.
 
 Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things
 before you expostulate.  It'll save you embarrassment.

No Missy, I've been reading your posts in FFL for quite some time. My
comment wasn't directed to your and Nablus's little skirmish over
Carter and the buck. It was directed at you, since this was the
umpteenth time I had read one of your self important pontifications
from on high (horse). I disliked your type when I was around MMY and I
dislike it now. Have a swell day.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Urged To Avoid Arrest in Germany'

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
Reality check:

1) This is all for publicity.  Madonna would pay $5 million to 
guarantee that they would arrest her.  Like Tommy Chong's stint in 
jail, it's the best thing that could happen to her at this point in 
her career.

2) She's a fucking hypocrite.  Don't you remember her negative 
comments against Sinead O'Conner when she tore up that photograph of 
the Pope on Saturday Night Live a decade or so ago?  The flac she 
got from all quarters pretty much put O'Conner's career into a 
tailspin that she never quite recovered from.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  Wednesday, 16 August 2006, 07:33 GMT 08:33 UK 
   Germany to monitor Madonna show   German prosecutors are to 
monitor Madonna's concert to determine whether a mock crucifixion 
could be construed as insulting religious beliefs. 
   The segment of her tour where she appears on a cross wearing a 
crown of thorns has provoked controversy in several countries.   
Prosecutors admit they will rely on media reports of the concert 
rather than send their own observers.   Madonna will play in 
Dusseldorf on Sunday, following on from her UK dates.   Religious 
leaders have objected to the performance, which Madonna says is part 
of an appeal for Aids charities.   'In context'   Vatican Cardinal 
Ersilio Tonino, who spoke with the approval of the Pope, called the 
concert a blasphemous challenge to the faith and a profanation of 
the cross.   He also called for Madonna, who was raised as a 
Catholic, to be excommunicated.   Muslim and Jewish leaders in Rome 
also raised objections before the star's concert in the city on 6 
August.   However, the performance went ahead, including the segment 
on the cross.   Madonna's New York-based spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, 
denied that the star's show was insulting.   The context
  of Madonna's performance on the crucifix is not negative nor 
disrespectful toward the church, she said. 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   snip
No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program 
in 
place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
   
   Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
 
  _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
 dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
 
 I gave MDixon a chance to present these facts
 himself or be exposed as a liar.




This isn't a star chamber or inquisition, Judy, other than in your 
own head.

Decease and desist, please.





  Astonishingly,
 he preferred to be exposed as a liar.  So be it:
 
 The court decision that is being appealed forbids
 the part of the NSA program that involves 
 WARRANTLESS wiretapping.
 
 The poll MDixon cites does not mention WARRANTLESS
 wiretapping in its questions.  It simply asks about
 approval of NSA's wiretapping.
 
 A majority approve of wiretapping.
 
 A majority, as measured by at least a half-dozen
 other polls that *do* ask about WARRENTLESS
 wiretapping, DISAPPROVE OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING.
 
 This is a crucial distinction, and MDixon knows it.
 There would be no court case if it weren't for
 WARRANTLESS wiretapping; that's what the court was
 asked to decide, whether WARRANTLESS wiretapping
 should be permitted.
 
 The court decided it should *not* be permitted, just
 as a majority of Americans think it should *not* be
 permitted.
 
 The Republicans--aided here, sadly, by MDixon--are
 deliberately obscuring this distinction.  The
 liberal Washington Post failed to make this
 distinction in its poll questions, reporting the
 results of the poll as if WARRANTLESS wiretapping
 weren't even an issue, as if a majority approved of
 everything in the NSA program.
 
 So much for the Post being, in MDixon's words,
 not friendly to the Bush administration.
 
 The attempted deceit--by the Republicans, the Post,
 and MDixon--is disgraceful and inexcusable.  The
 Republicans are painting Democrats as opposing the
 NSA program *as a whole* and therefore weak on
 national security.  But there is *no* Democrat 
 running for office who opposes NSA wiretaps *as long
 as there is judicial oversight*, i.e., as long as
 the government is required to obtain a warrant.
 
 A majority of the American people, as I said and
 as MDixon falsely denied, are opposed to WARRANTLESS
 wiretapping.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight 
Time,  
   shempmcgurk@ writes:
   

   In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
   MDixon6569@,  MDi
   

In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
 Time, 
jstein@ writes:
 
--- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
   (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
, MDixon6569@, MDi
snip
 No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program 
in
 place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.

Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.

 _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
(_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
   dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
   
   Gee.
   
   I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
   
   Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
   
   Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
  
  Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
  know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
  cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
  
  The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
  from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
  you to wiggle out of it.
  
  I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
  to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
  a liar.
  
  Your choice.
 
 
 MDixon:
 
 Now you know why Turquoise almost went into a mental hospital.

People who lie constantly, like Barry, do tend to
have major difficulties dealing with having their
lies consistently refuted.  They've gotten so used
to lying as a way of life they feel as if the rug
has been pulled out from underneath them.

Let's hope MDixon is able to pull back before getting
himself caught in that trap.  I don't think he's a
liar at heart.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight 
Time,  
   shempmcgurk@ writes:
   

   In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
   MDixon6569@,  MDi
   

In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
 Time, 
jstein@ writes:
 
--- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
   (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
, MDixon6569@, MDi
snip
 No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program 
in
 place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.

Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.

 _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
(_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
   dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
   
   Gee.
   
   I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
   
   Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
   
   Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
  
  Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
  know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
  cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
  
  The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
  from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
  you to wiggle out of it.
  
  I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
  to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
  a liar.
 
 That's his choice?
 
 He's either a liar or he's wrong and has to amend his assertion?

Yup, them's the facts, sorry.  I pointed him in
the right direction, so if he doesn't take it and
figure out he's wrong and acknowledge it, he
becomes accountable for the falsehood.

 Even when it's quite clear to virtually any sane person who reads 
 this debate that he's right and you're wrong?

Um, well, no, you see, I'm right on this one.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is ignorant.

 There's no middle ground?
 
 It's not even possible that MDixon made an innocent mistake...he's 
 just a flat out liar?

I think (as I said earlier) that he just made an
innocent mistake, having been misled by dishonest
Republicans.  But he becomes a liar if he doesn't
correct the error now that it's been pointed out to
him that it *is* an error.

 What is it in you, Judy, that makes you fill this forum with such 
 hate?

What I want to know is why *everybody* doesn't hate
dishonesty, and why some, like you, even approve of
it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
 
In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight 
 Time,  
shempmcgurk@ writes:

 
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
MDixon6569@,  MDi

 
 In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
  Time, 
 jstein@ writes:
  
 --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
 , MDixon6569@, MDi
 snip
  No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA 
program 
 in
  place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.
 
 Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.
 
  _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
 (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
   (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c

Gee.

I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.

Hell, frozen  over...NOT.

Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
   
   Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
   know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
   cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
   
   The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
   from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
   you to wiggle out of it.
   
   I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
   to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
   a liar.
   
   Your choice.
  
  
  MDixon:
  
  Now you know why Turquoise almost went into a mental hospital.
 
 People who lie constantly, like Barry, do tend to
 have major difficulties dealing with having their
 lies consistently refuted.  They've gotten so used
 to lying as a way of life they feel as if the rug
 has been pulled out from underneath them.
 
 Let's hope MDixon is able to pull back before getting
 himself caught in that trap.  I don't think he's a
 liar at heart.


...then why even HINT or SUGGEST that he is a liar if you don't 
think he is one at heart.

Judy, I suggest that it is you who should be given the opportunity 
to amend your assertion.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I found this rather interesting, the Kaplans $

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
geezerfreak@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 
nablus108@ 
  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
jstein@ 
  wrote:
snip
  Carmas are irrelevant.  As I said, he wasn't talking
  about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he
  was saying it didn't matter.  He was taking responsibility
  for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of
  who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to 
do.
 
 Oh, my. How could he take responsebility for other people 
 carmas ? Don't you see that's impossible ? What he said is
 just silly politicts.

You really aren't getting it, are you?
   
   And you do? Swallowing everything they shove down your throat
   there in FF? What a joke. I feel sorry for you.
  
  You've just joined us, I gather, and haven't read
  many of my or Nablus's posts.  Nor, it appears, have
  you even read the exchange you're commenting on.
  
  Probably best to, you know, bone up a little on things
  before you expostulate.  It'll save you embarrassment.
 
 No Missy, I've been reading your posts in FFL for quite some
 time. My comment wasn't directed to your and Nablus's little
 skirmish over Carter and the buck. It was directed at you,
 since this was the umpteenth time I had read one of your self
 important pontifications from on high (horse). I disliked
 your type when I was around MMY and I dislike it now.

Well, fine, but, you see, I don't live in Fairfield,
I'm hardly a True Believer, and I'm having this
skirmish over Carter and the buck with someone who
*is* a True Believer.  And the skirmish doesn't have
anything to do with TM or MMY or the TMO in any case.

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt
here, assuming your errors were due to your not
having been around long enough to have filled out
your player scorecard.  But I see now you have no
such excuse.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight 
  Time,  
 shempmcgurk@ writes:
 
  
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
 MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
   Time, 
  jstein@ writes:
   
  --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
  , MDixon6569@, MDi
  snip
   No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA 
 program 
  in
   place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.
  
  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.
  
   _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
 dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
 
 Gee.
 
 I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
 
 Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
 
 Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.

Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.

The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
you to wiggle out of it.

I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
a liar.

Your choice.
   
   
   MDixon:
   
   Now you know why Turquoise almost went into a mental hospital.
  
  People who lie constantly, like Barry, do tend to
  have major difficulties dealing with having their
  lies consistently refuted.  They've gotten so used
  to lying as a way of life they feel as if the rug
  has been pulled out from underneath them.
  
  Let's hope MDixon is able to pull back before getting
  himself caught in that trap.  I don't think he's a
  liar at heart.
 
 ...then why even HINT or SUGGEST that he is a liar if you don't 
 think he is one at heart.

You're a little confused, as usual, Shemp.  I gave
him an opportunity to correct his misstatements.  If
he does not, he *becomes* a liar (as I said earlier).



 
 Judy, I suggest that it is you who should be given the opportunity 
 to amend your assertion.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
 No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program 
 in 
 place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.

Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
  
   _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  
   (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
  dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
  
  I gave MDixon a chance to present these facts
  himself or be exposed as a liar.
 
 This isn't a star chamber or inquisition, Judy, other than in your 
 own head.
 
 Decease and desist, please.

Now that you've discovered that I was right all
along, it's about time for an apology, don't you
think?


   Astonishingly,
  he preferred to be exposed as a liar.  So be it:
  
  The court decision that is being appealed forbids
  the part of the NSA program that involves 
  WARRANTLESS wiretapping.
  
  The poll MDixon cites does not mention WARRANTLESS
  wiretapping in its questions.  It simply asks about
  approval of NSA's wiretapping.
  
  A majority approve of wiretapping.
  
  A majority, as measured by at least a half-dozen
  other polls that *do* ask about WARRENTLESS
  wiretapping, DISAPPROVE OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING.
  
  This is a crucial distinction, and MDixon knows it.
  There would be no court case if it weren't for
  WARRANTLESS wiretapping; that's what the court was
  asked to decide, whether WARRANTLESS wiretapping
  should be permitted.
  
  The court decided it should *not* be permitted, just
  as a majority of Americans think it should *not* be
  permitted.
  
  The Republicans--aided here, sadly, by MDixon--are
  deliberately obscuring this distinction.  The
  liberal Washington Post failed to make this
  distinction in its poll questions, reporting the
  results of the poll as if WARRANTLESS wiretapping
  weren't even an issue, as if a majority approved of
  everything in the NSA program.
  
  So much for the Post being, in MDixon's words,
  not friendly to the Bush administration.
  
  The attempted deceit--by the Republicans, the Post,
  and MDixon--is disgraceful and inexcusable.  The
  Republicans are painting Democrats as opposing the
  NSA program *as a whole* and therefore weak on
  national security.  But there is *no* Democrat 
  running for office who opposes NSA wiretaps *as long
  as there is judicial oversight*, i.e., as long as
  the government is required to obtain a warrant.
  
  A majority of the American people, as I said and
  as MDixon falsely denied, are opposed to WARRANTLESS
  wiretapping.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time,  
jstein@ writes:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 snip
  No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA 
program 
  in 
  place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
 
 Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
   
_Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
   
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
   dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
   
   I gave MDixon a chance to present these facts
   himself or be exposed as a liar.
  
  This isn't a star chamber or inquisition, Judy, other than in 
your 
  own head.
  
  Decease and desist, please.
 
 Now that you've discovered that I was right all
 along, it's about time for an apology, don't you
 think?


Yes, you're right.

MDixon, I apologise to you that I have given this insanity even the 
slightest attention that I have.  It has, obviously, given more 
space and time to something that, had I just treated it with the 
humor it obviously deserved, would have probably by now been 
forgotten.



 
 
Astonishingly,
   he preferred to be exposed as a liar.  So be it:
   
   The court decision that is being appealed forbids
   the part of the NSA program that involves 
   WARRANTLESS wiretapping.
   
   The poll MDixon cites does not mention WARRANTLESS
   wiretapping in its questions.  It simply asks about
   approval of NSA's wiretapping.
   
   A majority approve of wiretapping.
   
   A majority, as measured by at least a half-dozen
   other polls that *do* ask about WARRENTLESS
   wiretapping, DISAPPROVE OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING.
   
   This is a crucial distinction, and MDixon knows it.
   There would be no court case if it weren't for
   WARRANTLESS wiretapping; that's what the court was
   asked to decide, whether WARRANTLESS wiretapping
   should be permitted.
   
   The court decided it should *not* be permitted, just
   as a majority of Americans think it should *not* be
   permitted.
   
   The Republicans--aided here, sadly, by MDixon--are
   deliberately obscuring this distinction.  The
   liberal Washington Post failed to make this
   distinction in its poll questions, reporting the
   results of the poll as if WARRANTLESS wiretapping
   weren't even an issue, as if a majority approved of
   everything in the NSA program.
   
   So much for the Post being, in MDixon's words,
   not friendly to the Bush administration.
   
   The attempted deceit--by the Republicans, the Post,
   and MDixon--is disgraceful and inexcusable.  The
   Republicans are painting Democrats as opposing the
   NSA program *as a whole* and therefore weak on
   national security.  But there is *no* Democrat 
   running for office who opposes NSA wiretaps *as long
   as there is judicial oversight*, i.e., as long as
   the government is required to obtain a warrant.
   
   A majority of the American people, as I said and
   as MDixon falsely denied, are opposed to WARRANTLESS
   wiretapping.
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Urged To Avoid Arrest in Germany'

2006-08-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
She is as phony as her British accent.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Reality check:
 
 1) This is all for publicity.  Madonna would pay $5 million to 
 guarantee that they would arrest her.  Like Tommy Chong's stint in 
 jail, it's the best thing that could happen to her at this point in 
 her career.
 
 2) She's a fucking hypocrite.  Don't you remember her negative 
 comments against Sinead O'Conner when she tore up that photograph of 
 the Pope on Saturday Night Live a decade or so ago?  The flac she 
 got from all quarters pretty much put O'Conner's career into a 
 tailspin that she never quite recovered from.
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
   Wednesday, 16 August 2006, 07:33 GMT 08:33 UK 
Germany to monitor Madonna show   German prosecutors are to 
 monitor Madonna's concert to determine whether a mock crucifixion 
 could be construed as insulting religious beliefs. 
The segment of her tour where she appears on a cross wearing a 
 crown of thorns has provoked controversy in several countries.   
 Prosecutors admit they will rely on media reports of the concert 
 rather than send their own observers.   Madonna will play in 
 Dusseldorf on Sunday, following on from her UK dates.   Religious 
 leaders have objected to the performance, which Madonna says is part 
 of an appeal for Aids charities.   'In context'   Vatican Cardinal 
 Ersilio Tonino, who spoke with the approval of the Pope, called the 
 concert a blasphemous challenge to the faith and a profanation of 
 the cross.   He also called for Madonna, who was raised as a 
 Catholic, to be excommunicated.   Muslim and Jewish leaders in Rome 
 also raised objections before the star's concert in the city on 6 
 August.   However, the performance went ahead, including the segment 
 on the cross.   Madonna's New York-based spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, 
 denied that the star's show was insulting.   The context
   of Madonna's performance on the crucifix is not negative nor 
 disrespectful toward the church, she said. 
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
snip
 No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program 
 in place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.

Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
  
   _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  
   (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
  dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
  
  I gave MDixon a chance to present these facts
  himself or be exposed as a liar.
 
 This isn't a star chamber or inquisition, Judy, other than in your 
 own head.

The reason this is so important, by the way, is it's
an example of the kind of Republican dishonesty that
got Bush elected and will result in the Republicans
retaining control of Congress after the 2006 election,
if Democrats and independents don't start speaking up
and exposing the lies.

It certainly wouldn't hurt if a few honest Republicans
refused to play the game and spoke up too.  I'm hoping
MDixon might turn out to be one of them, if I'm right
that he's been deceived himself on this particular
issue.

But I'm not holding my breath.

   Astonishingly,
  he preferred to be exposed as a liar.  So be it:
  
  The court decision that is being appealed forbids
  the part of the NSA program that involves 
  WARRANTLESS wiretapping.
  
  The poll MDixon cites does not mention WARRANTLESS
  wiretapping in its questions.  It simply asks about
  approval of NSA's wiretapping.
  
  A majority approve of wiretapping.
  
  A majority, as measured by at least a half-dozen
  other polls that *do* ask about WARRENTLESS
  wiretapping, DISAPPROVE OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING.
  
  This is a crucial distinction, and MDixon knows it.
  There would be no court case if it weren't for
  WARRANTLESS wiretapping; that's what the court was
  asked to decide, whether WARRANTLESS wiretapping
  should be permitted.
  
  The court decided it should *not* be permitted, just
  as a majority of Americans think it should *not* be
  permitted.
  
  The Republicans--aided here, sadly, by MDixon--are
  deliberately obscuring this distinction.  The
  liberal Washington Post failed to make this
  distinction in its poll questions, reporting the
  results of the poll as if WARRANTLESS wiretapping
  weren't even an issue, as if a majority approved of
  everything in the NSA program.
  
  So much for the Post being, in MDixon's words,
  not friendly to the Bush administration.
  
  The attempted deceit--by the Republicans, the Post,
  and MDixon--is disgraceful and inexcusable.  The
  Republicans are painting Democrats as opposing the
  NSA program *as a whole* and therefore weak on
  national security.  But there is *no* Democrat 
  running for office who opposes NSA wiretaps *as long
  as there is judicial oversight*, i.e., as long as
  the government is required to obtain a warrant.
  
  A majority of the American people, as I said and
  as MDixon falsely denied, are opposed to WARRANTLESS
  wiretapping.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?





on 8/19/06 12:44 PM, chaim_laib at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Rick
 
 Why would you even bother at this point? It would seem like a victory,
 for the Capital, and one they could use to their benefit, See, Rick
 Archer agreed to do things out way kinda thing. It would certainly
 get lots of tongues wagging. You could be the representative return
 of the Prodigal Son. 
 
 You've made personal choices in your life, you are doing a practice
 that works for you. If acquiescing would work for you, so be it, but
 wouldn't it mean no longer using the mantra you received from Amma and
 going back to your TM mantra? 
 
 You don't think your two hours (or however much time) per day in your
 program is contributing (if one believes this line of thought) to the
 overall grand scheme of world peace?
 
 To thine own self be true. 
 -W. Shakespeare
 
 Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay
 centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate.
 -Chuang Tsu

I concur with what you said, and thanks for the nice quotes. I was presenting a hypothetical scenario, which will actualize when pigs fly, in which the course office would decide not to concern themselves with peoples lives any longer. So if that happened and I did end up going I dont think people would see it as a victory for the old way of doing things. But as you say, I enjoy my practice as it is, so it aint gonna happen. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:


snip
  

And isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted
to this as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by 
far more important.

  

These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-know-
who, they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on 
Fox attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal.



The JonBenet case is ratings *gold*.  They aren't
trying to divert attention from Bush but rather to
cash in.  Blame their audiences, in this instance.
That's what people want to watch.

The same dregs of society who make American Idol and its knock offs so 
popular?  The masses have been programmer to want this shit.   They can 
be deprogrammed too.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread Bhairitu
jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  

shempmcgurk wrote:



Anyone else think that this guy Karr is just saying he killed 
  

her 


for 
  

the attention?

Recently, here in Phoenix, a fellow admitted to killing a 
  

bunch 
  

of 


people but it turned out he didn't have anything to do with 
  

it.
  

And isn't it interesting how much time the major networks 


devoted to 


this as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by 


far 


more 
  

important.



These days, any time they can divert attention away from you-
  

know-
  

who, 


they gladly will, although last night I did see Britt Hume on 
  

Fox 
  

attacking the judge that ruled the wiretapping illegal.
  


Who is the they you refer to?



From the posting I was responding to, 'the major networks'. They who 
would feed the hand that bites them...

Then you have to go deeper as to who owns and controls these networks 
and the bigger picture shows a tiny group of very wealthy individuals 
who have controlled (or attempted to) things down through time.  It is 
known as an open conspiracy or for practical purpose no conspiracy at 
all but the strategy of this group.  They have always hated seeing the 
masses own property and attendant freedoms that come with that.  They 
are our deepest enemy and I think it is time to take their power away.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
In a message dated 8/18/06 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And  isn't it interesting how much time the major networks devoted to 
  

this  as compared to the court decision on wiretaps which is by far more  
important.



No , not at all. Most people  want the current NSA program in place and it 


is 
  

still going on while  it is appealed. So nothing has really changed and 
probably won't till  the Supreme Court hears it. It will make an excellent 


campaign 
  

issue.  



Liar. Most people do not want the current NSA program in place.  Where 
did you get that information? FUX News?

*Those who would  give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve  neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin  Franklin

*



Washington Post. not exactly a Conservative news paper or one friendly to  
the administration. Read for yourself. _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's 
Efforts_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
  

  

And what question did they ask them?  That's not in the article is it?  
I would like to see a survey of Americans with the question: Do you 
believe President Bush is above the law?   I bet that would get way 
different results.  That's what the issue is here anyway.  He has broken 
existing laws and should be prosecuted for it.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
In a message dated 8/18/06 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

*Those  who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety,  deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin  Franklin



Benjamin Franklin also said an apple a day keeps the doctor away.  Not 
exactly an absolute truth IMHO.

Apples contain pectin and at the time folks constipation was probably a 
big problem.  Pectin helps with constipation.   Apparently you're 
willing to trash the Constitution to protect yourself against a few 
terrorists, eh?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] FISA (was Re: Something fishy)

2006-08-19 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  

--- authfriend wrote:


*Nobody* is against wiretapping suspected
terrorists, domestic or otherwise.  
  

What do the Bushies have against getting a court 
order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance 
Act? In all the kerfuffle, I've yet to hear why they 
don't want to follow the process already set up 
for such stuff.



They claim it takes too long, but that's a crock;
they're explicitly allowed to wiretap without a
warrant for 48 hours (or is it 72?) exactly so 
that getting a warrant won't impede an urgent
investigation.

The *real* reason is they don't want to have any
restrictions at all; they want to be able to 
wiretap anybody at any time whether they have
grounds for suspicion or not.  It's the Imperial
Presidency, or the Unitary Executive, as they
call it.  To hell with checks and balances; that's
for sissies.

Exactly and I can't figure out why these commoner rightists would 
support Bush as it is against their own best interests.  At least some 
of his former supporters have wised up.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Being a grass roots effort, the foundation would run by a
   to-be-elected board of directors (as stated somewhere in the
   petition info). 
   
   I would imagine that the people most active in promoting the petition,
   and donating time and money, in addition to those  most involved in
   the discussions on the corresponding blog, will be strong candidates
   to be on the Board. Elections would be by all those fulfilling pledges
   (perhaps at a minimum of $20, and 5 hours of work). 
   
   I imagine an inital Board would set up, from memeber / pledger
   discussions, a set of guielines and foundation documents, etc. Within
   several years, initial founders may then pass the torch to others --
   those who are most active, best able to integrate diverse needs, and
   successful in fulfilling the foundations goals.
   
   The purpose of the foundation is to provide a vehicle for the
   disenfranchised, service-focussed and spiritual beings in FF, TMO
   and other groups to pull together to provide a balanced and healing
   force for soothing TMO excesses and harshness -- and provide a way for
   all to participate, celebrate and serve in providing a group
   conciousness field effect for world peace.
   
   
  
  I think such a thing already exists or will soon: it's called the
 local TM centers (Peace 
  Palaces) and the forthcoming local flying halls.
 
 
 GREAT! I have been out of touch I guess. So these Peace Palaces will:
 
 1) allow any sidhas to participate in programs in the DOMES or the
 peace palaces without any interogation of life outside the domes / palace?

The Domes is a law unto themselves. The projected local flying halls in 
Fairfield and the 
local Pece Palaces are apparently to be far more liveral.

 
 2) have a clear, detailed, immeidate and fully transparent accounting
 of all donations?

Er, you read too much into what I said, though I'm guessing that donations to 
the local 
organization will be easier to keep track of.

 
 3) treat all sidhas with repect, dignity and as adults?
 

I stay on the periphery of the TMO, so I don't have the experiences of many who 
interact 
with the TMO in Fairfield. Certainly, I've seen petty ego stuff on the part of 
various local 
center chairmen/women where they like to play mini-Maharishi, but fortunately, 
the 
currentl Chair-couple in Tucson, Densice and Joseph Gerace, don't seem to have 
those 
issues.


 When did all this happen?


I was only commenting on the more lax rules for flying participation in the 
Peace Palaces 
and (I would expect) in the Fairfield flying halls, sorry for the confusion.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hernia and brahmacarya

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
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 Recently noticed have got a small (abdominal?)
 hernia. Oddly enough, it seems to help me
 stay uurdhvaretaH!  :0


Don't gain large amounts of weight or you'll find you have a large hernia also.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  *Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
  Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin
  
 
 Spinoza and Leibniz, born within a few years of each other, both 
 recognized and wrote about man's immortality and the process of 
 evolution through reincarnation. Concurrently, similar ideas held the 
 attention of other great minds. Voltaire in France, Benjamin Franklin 
 and Thomas Paine in America, Kant, Herder and Lessing in Germany, Hume 
 and Pope in England were all men of the eighteenth century, the age of 
 enlightenment and the predominance of rationalism. They all believed in 
 the notion of rebirth. Voltaire wrote: The doctrine of metempsychosis 
 is, above all, neither absurd nor useless...It is not more surprising 
 to be born twice than once; everything in nature is resurrection.
 
 According to Benjamin Creme, Benjamin Franklin is currently in 
 incarnation, living in Washington DC.


Isn't everyone who ever lived, save the non-returnees, reincarnated?  That good 
ole Ben is 
living in DC shouldn't be surprising--he had a thing about being in the centers 
of political 
power and liked the women who hung out there.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least here 
 in 
   FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.
   
   Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines stand 
   and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
 citizen 
   sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy saints 
 and 
   stuff.
   
   Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines of the 
   TMorg with this new earnest initiative?  
  
  Apparently not. Thats why we need to create new rules, a new 
 paradigm,
  appropriate for the current times -- not the past command and 
 control
  structures of kali-yuga.
  
  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/535780035
  
  We can thrash about and gnash our teeth about how the TMO should be
  less anal, more humane, more accountable etc. Or we can do something
  mature and responsible about it.
  
  Create our own foundation to: 
  
  - Control donations, accountability and management of to any ME or 
 TMO
  project
  
  - provide a power block to negotiate contracts and new rules with
  the TMO
  
  - create new group-consciousness-for-peace facilities, programs, 
 rules
  (and perhaps worldwide synchtimes via wedsites, alerts, etc.)
 
 Your idealism comes forth (perhaps, haven't made up my mind yet :-)) 
 as something good. But you miss one central point; what happens 
 within/outside the TMO, the effects, the frustration, the success and 
 the failure is all Maharishis Lila.
 
 What is happening now is a great drama which Maharishi is 
 orchestrating. He is at the helm.
 
 Establishing a new organisation or foundation to try to balance 
 this cosmic force, without that cosmic intelligence, will, I'm sorry 
 to say, be a dry and fruitless matter.


Isn't this Chopra's goal? He's rumored to be on the verge of offring the sidhis 
instruction 
anyway.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Aug 15 - A day of victory - Letter from Raja John Konhaus

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  wrote:
  
   Dear Recertified Governors, Governors, Sidhas and
   Meditators in the
   Domain of Raja John Konhaus,
   
   Read the above line slowly - I'm not sure whether to
   laugh or cry.
   
   
   JohnY
   PS. time yet to recertify Sidhas?
   
   
   We are all living in some Raja's domain? These guys
   are the nails in
   the movement's coffin.  Delusional putzes!
  
  Their penises are deluded? Penises are usually quite
  grounded and on-task 24/7. 
 
 
 
 
 ...not unless you're cardemeister and your penis is out of 
 commission due to a hernia and urdvareta.

Depends on what kind of hernia. Umbilical hernias don't do nothing except make 
you look 
funny.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 snip
  No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program in place
  and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
 
 Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
 
 
 
 
 _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/
AR2006051200375_pf.html)


Most Americans obviously don't understand the issue. The issue is not between 
having 
wiretaps and not-having wiretaps, but between asking for a judges permission 
within 48 
hours AFTER the start of the wiretap, and simply ignoring the law.

If the poll were correct in its conclusion, the American people would be saying 
that they 
want the President to ignore the law for no reason since it is always possible 
to obtain the 
judge's permission.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Getting to the Church on Time...'





on 8/19/06 9:04 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was planning on returning to Madison, this Tuesday, by bus;
But since this announcement, by Maharishi, and John;
I should just come to Fairfield, I should guess...
I hope there's a place to stay, as John said; 
Kind of broke right now...

P.S. You can fly roundtrip from Seattle to Kansas City for $143, and its only 4 hours from KC to FF. Beats coming by bus.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Getting to the Church on Time...'





on 8/19/06 9:04 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was planning on returning to Madison, this Tuesday, by bus;
But since this announcement, by Maharishi, and John;
I should just come to Fairfield, I should guess...
I hope there's a place to stay, as John said; 
Kind of broke right now...

Its a long bus ride from Seattle. If youre still alive when you get here, get in touch. You might enjoy one of our Wednesday Night Satsangs.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Local Foundation to Contract with TMO for Services

2006-08-19 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
   
Being a grass roots effort, the foundation would run by a
to-be-elected board of directors (as stated somewhere in the
petition info). 

I would imagine that the people most active in promoting the
petition,
and donating time and money, in addition to those  most
involved in
the discussions on the corresponding blog, will be strong
candidates
to be on the Board. Elections would be by all those fulfilling
pledges
(perhaps at a minimum of $20, and 5 hours of work). 

I imagine an inital Board would set up, from memeber / pledger
discussions, a set of guielines and foundation documents, etc.
Within
several years, initial founders may then pass the torch to
others --
those who are most active, best able to integrate diverse
needs, and
successful in fulfilling the foundations goals.

The purpose of the foundation is to provide a vehicle for the
disenfranchised, service-focussed and spiritual beings in
FF, TMO
and other groups to pull together to provide a balanced and
healing
force for soothing TMO excesses and harshness -- and provide a
way for
all to participate, celebrate and serve in providing a group
conciousness field effect for world peace.


   
   I think such a thing already exists or will soon: it's called the
  local TM centers (Peace 
   Palaces) and the forthcoming local flying halls.
  
  
  GREAT! I have been out of touch I guess. So these Peace Palaces will:
  
  1) allow any sidhas to participate in programs in the DOMES or the
  peace palaces without any interogation of life outside the domes /
palace?
 
 The Domes is a law unto themselves. The projected local flying halls
in Fairfield and the 
 local Pece Palaces are apparently to be far more liveral.
 
  
  2) have a clear, detailed, immeidate and fully transparent accounting
  of all donations?
 
 Er, you read too much into what I said, though I'm guessing that
donations to the local 
 organization will be easier to keep track of.
 
  
  3) treat all sidhas with repect, dignity and as adults?
  
 
 I stay on the periphery of the TMO, so I don't have the experiences
of many who interact 
 with the TMO in Fairfield. Certainly, I've seen petty ego stuff on
the part of various local 
 center chairmen/women where they like to play mini-Maharishi, but
fortunately, the 
 currentl Chair-couple in Tucson, Densice and Joseph Gerace, don't
seem to have those 
 issues.
 
 
  When did all this happen?
 
 
 I was only commenting on the more lax rules for flying participation
in the Peace Palaces 
 and (I would expect) in the Fairfield flying halls, sorry for the
confusion.


It's a matter of perspective. What you see as ego-stuff, from my
perspective is more like 'royally screwed'. Talk about negative or
reverse loyalty. Gotta chuckle though.

JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/18/06 10:19 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
Tonight there now seems to be a phone campaign on at least 
 here in
FF to get wayward friends to register for the dome programs.

Hagelin's 'office' had told Shivama that the old guidelines 
 stand
and have instead been enlarged to also include just regular 
 citizen
sidhas as part of a ban on people having seen other holy 
 saints and
stuff.

Any real progress on amending the participation guidelines 
of 
 the
TMorg with this new earnest initiative?
   
  
  At least once a day I get called or emailed or approached on the 
 street by
  people trying to get me to go to the dome. The person who called 
 last night
  said that the course office had encouraged everyone to call their 
 friends,
  even people who previously had not been allowed in the dome, and 
 that ³only
  about 1% of the people are still being refused for personal 
 reasons.² If the
  course office announces that their new policy is to ask people to 
 agree to
  do nothing other than Maharishi¹s techniques in the dome, and 
that 
 they
  won¹t concern themselves with anything other than that, I¹ll 
 consider
  applying.
 
 
 It will be their gain is they let you go; their loss if they don't.
 
 Good luck.

It will be your gain if they let you go; our loss if they don't.

Good luck







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 8/18/06 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  And  isn't it interesting how much time the major networks
  devoted to this  as compared to the court decision on
  wiretaps which is by far more important.
 
  No , not at all. Most people  want the current NSA program in 
  place and it is still going on while  it is appealed. So
  nothing has really changed and probably won't till the Supreme
  Court hears it. It will make an excellent campaign issue.  
 
  Liar. Most people do not want the current NSA program in place.  
  Where did you get that information? FUX News?
snip
 
  Washington Post. not exactly a Conservative news paper or one 
  friendly to the administration. Read for yourself. _Poll:  Most 
  Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)  
 
 And what question did they ask them?

Bingo.

 That's not in the article is it?

Actually, there's a link in the article to a page with
the questions that were asked.

WARRANTLESS wiretapping--the issue in the court case--
was not even mentioned.

MDixon made it clear he was referring to the issue in
the court case; but then to prove his assertion that a
majority of Americans approve, cited a poll that
completely failed to ask about that issue.
  
 I would like to see a survey of Americans with the question:
 Do you believe President Bush is above the law?   I bet that 
 would get way different results.

When Americans are asked whether they approve of
WARRANTLESS wiretapping--the issue in the court
case--a majority say they do NOT approve.

 That's what the issue is here anyway.

Of course it is.  And obscuring this distinction--
between court-ordered and WARRANTLESS wiretapping--
is standard Republican dishonesty, the kind that
got Bush elected in the first place.

 He has broken existing laws and should be prosecuted
 for it.

The whole kit and caboodle of them should be prosecuted
for lying to the American people.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
  ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
  snip
   No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program in 
 place
   and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
  
  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
  
  
  
  
  _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
 dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html)
 
 
 
 Gee.
 
 I wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
 
 Hell, frozen over...NOT.


Another poll says:

http://www.democrats.com/node/7416/print

1]For Release: January 16, 2006

New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for 
Wiretapping

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching 
President 
Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according 
to a new 
poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org [1], a grassroots coalition that 
supports a 
Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.






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[FairfieldLife] 'Important Info Mr. President, of Iran..'

2006-08-19 Thread Robert Gimbel



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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Getting to the Church on Time...'

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  (snip)
   It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just 
 come 
  together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
  hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.
 
 
 What worked during the Cuba Crises?
 Are you talking about 1962?
 Was there a 'Super-Radiance course in the dome;
 In 1962?
 I don't follow?...what Cuba Crises?

Maharishi on an island, I belive it was Santa Catalina (?), with a 
group of americans. They where told to meditate as much as possible 
during a week of the crises. All went well, as it will now if you get 
1700 in the domes.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 8/18/06 6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
  ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
  snip
   No , not at all. Most  people want the current NSA program in 
   place and it is still going on  while it is appealed.
  
  Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless  wiretapping.
  
  _Poll:  Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/
 AR2006051200375_pf.html)
 
 Most Americans obviously don't understand the issue.

Of course they don't.  Why should they?  The Republicans
are lying to them, and the media isn't bothering to 
correct the lie.

 The issue is not between having 
 wiretaps and not-having wiretaps, but between asking for a judges 
 permission within 48 hours AFTER the start of the wiretap, and 
 simply ignoring the law.
 
 If the poll were correct in its conclusion, the American people 
 would be saying that they want the President to ignore the law for 
 no reason since it is always possible to obtain the judge's 
 permission.

The poll didn't mention WARRANTLESS wiretapping.

When people are asked specifically whether they
approve of WARRANTLESS wiretapping--the issue in
the court case--a majority does NOT approve.

The scam the Republicans are trying to perpetrate
is utterly shameless.  And the liberal Washington
Post went dutifully right along with it.

So, unfortunately, did MDixon.








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[FairfieldLife] New Poll

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
Should the President of the United States be required to follow laws made by 
Congress, as 
long as those laws are Constitutional?

Yes, No, It depends.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: : All applicants come NOW.--Maharishi / Guidelines?

2006-08-19 Thread kenwoodfx



Do not listen these little voices thinking on who`s winning or who`s loosing.Everyone is winning when more and more people come to fly together in the Dome.This is time for open heart and mind for everyone, this is time for togetherness, friendliness and broad and universal vision.The world is asking us to do the most possible for the world peace.We are those who know that, and we will do the best with our knowledge which we got from our Master and our Holy Tradition.Come everyone, and let us do the best what we can for our world.Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:on 8/19/06 12:44 PM, chaim_laib at [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:RickWhy would you even bother at this point? It would seem like a victory,  for the Capital, and one they could use to their benefit, "See, Rick  Archer agreed to do things out way" kinda thing. It would certainly  get lots of tongues wagging. You could be the representative "return  of the Prodigal Son." You've made personal choices in your life, you are doing a practice  that works for you. If acquiescing would work for you, so be it, but  wouldn't it mean no longer using the mantra you received from Amma and  going back to your TM
 mantra? You don't think your two hours (or however much time) per day in your  program is contributing (if one believes this line of thought) to the  overall grand scheme of world peace?"To thine own self be true."   -W. Shakespeare"Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay  centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate."  -Chuang Tsu  I concur with what you said, and thanks for the nice quotes. I was presenting a hypothetical scenario, which will actualize when pigs fly, in which the course office would decide not to concern themselves with people’s lives any longer. So if that happened and I did end up going I don’t think people would see it as a victory for the old way of doing things. But as you say, I enjoy my practice as it
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The saddest post

2006-08-19 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
  babajii_99@ wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
   So, if these are the rules, then so be it.
   Everyone is playing out some part, as Shakespeare said.
   R.G.  Seattle, Washington.
  
   It worked during the Cuba Crises - it will work now if you just 
 come 
  together in the Dome. If you don't, there is no garantee what 
  hardships you will have to endure. Nature is angry.
 
 
 
 This is so sad.
 
 This TM cultist has now become a fundamentalist Christian:  accept 
 Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior or you will burn in 
 hell forever...
 
 ...is replaced by...
 
 ...unless you come to the Dome, there are untold hardships that 
will 
 be visited upon you.  Nature is angry...
 
 In other words, follow the Maharishi out of fear, not out of 
 conviction or genuine desire to help out the world at this perilous 
 time.
 
 The TMO Trinity: Fear, exclusion, intolerance.
 
 I weep.

Well that's a peculiar interpretation. Maharishi doesn't need 
followers, he is not trying to help the americans now because he 
needs it. 
You should be in the Domes for your own good, not for Maharishi.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Another poll says:
 
 http://www.democrats.com/node/7416/print
 
 1]For Release: January 16, 2006
 
 New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush  
for Wiretapping

*Warrantless* wiretapping.

I pointed this out to MDixon, to absolutely no effect.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Urged To Avoid Arrest in Germany'

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Reality check:
 
 1) This is all for publicity.  Madonna would pay $5 million to 
 guarantee that they would arrest her.  Like Tommy Chong's stint in 
 jail, it's the best thing that could happen to her at this point in 
 her career.
 
 2) She's a fucking hypocrite.  Don't you remember her negative 
 comments against Sinead O'Conner when she tore up that photograph of 
 the Pope on Saturday Night Live a decade or so ago?  The flac she 
 got from all quarters pretty much put O'Conner's career into a 
 tailspin that she never quite recovered from.

So you believe that it is blasphemous for her to be up on a cross?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about alleged Jonbenet murderer

2006-08-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 8/19/06 10:13:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   shempmcgurk@ writes:
   

   In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  
   MDixon6569@,  MDi
   

In a message dated 8/18/06  6:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
 Time, 
jstein@ writes:
 
--- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In _Fairfiel
   (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
, MDixon6569@, MDi
snip
 No , not at all.  Most people want the current NSA program in
 place and it is  still going on while it is appealed.

Wrong. A majority do NOT want warrantless wiretapping.

 _Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts_ 
(_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
   dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
   
   Gee.
   
   I  wonder if Judy will say: I stand corrected.
   
   Hell, frozen  over...NOT.
   
   Shemp, I'm not holding my breath.
  
  Of course you're not holding your breath.  You know and I
  know (although Shemp probably doesn't) that the poll you
  cite did not find what you misleadingly imply it found.
  
  The relevant words are all in what you've quoted above
  from your post and my post, MDixon.  There's no way for
  you to wiggle out of it.
  
  I'm going to give you a chance to amend your assertion
  to reflect the facts.  If you don't, I'll expose you as
  a liar.
  
  Your choice.
 
 
 MDixon:
 
 Now you know why Turquoise almost went into a mental hospital.


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