[FairfieldLife] BS I 1.6
BS I 1.6 gauNashcennaatmashabdaat gauNaH; cet; na; aatma-shabda_at gauNa if -- not from (here = because of) aatma-shabda secondary if -- not from aatma-word SSS: If it be said that (the word `seeing' or thinking) is used in a secondary sense, (we say) not so, because of the word Atman being applied to the cause of the world.
[FairfieldLife] BS I 1.7
tanniSThasya mokSopadeshaat tat+niSTha_sya; mokSa+upadesha_at that-devoted_of liberation-reference_from SSS: (The Pradhana cannot be designated by the term Self) because Salvation is declared to one who is devoted to that Sat.
[FairfieldLife] Store Wars
Very clever, a Star Wars takeoff having to do with the benefits of organic produce, complete with characters like Cuke Skywalker, Darth Tater, Yogurt and Chewbroccoli. I love their version of the Mos Eisley cantina. Enjoy. May the farm be with you... http://www.storewars.org/tater_tot.html
[FairfieldLife] BS I 1.8
BS I 1.8 heyatvaavacanaacca(?) heyatva+avacanaat(a-vacanaat); ca fitness-to-be-discarded not-being-stated_from and SSS: And (the Pradhana cannot be denoted by the word `Self'), because it is not stated (by the scriptures) that It (Sat) has to be discarded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
Authfriend, this guy, 'your friend Doug fra FF' thinks that all my postings are spam.!! authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 04:14:07 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals You, my friend, are an idiot who hasn't a clue what he is talking about. You're wrong on all counts in this absurd rant. Most of this stuff has *not* been personal OT bickering. None of the four people listed has gone over the limit. You didn't even bother to read what Rick said or look at the numbers. And finally, only two of the four are from alt.m.t. Get a clue. --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ ... wrote: Rick, I've been in this with you fra the beginning and I like you and you're just too nice. Most of this stuff is still just personal OT bickering betweenst themselves. Personal stuff that ought to be off to the side. As per the guidelines. They are just running you. Cut 'em down to 3 per day and would help them keep to FFL. It is just thin soup if you don't. Stand firm man against these Alt-meds people from elsewhere. Your friend, -Doug fra FF - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Visualizing the E8 root system
I thought you had a more abstract World-View..?? qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:22:36 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Visualizing the E8 root system --Right, very eloquent; but I see no evidence that Krishna is the Lord of the Universe, in a relative sense. My candidate: The Scientology God, Xenu. - Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Isn't the Absolute Being synonymous with Natural Law, the Creator of an Intelligent Design? MMY wrote a book called The Science of Being and the Art of Living that should be helpful to you in understanding the basics of what he teaches. So, there is a Science of Being and Intelligent Design which MMY wants to teach in public schools. Now I'm no longer confused. Excerpt from Maharishi's commentary on Bhagavad Gita 4.6: Although manifest creation, which includes men and other creatures, springs from the unmanfest, its manifestation is by virtue of prakriti. But the divine manifestation of the unminanifest Being, which comes to re-establish the forgotten wisdom of life, is by virtue of 'Lila-shakti' , which is the very power of the Absolute, an integral part of Its transcendent divine nature. Surgery is the inseparable power of the surgeon. Sometimes it is active, as when the surgeon works at the operating table, but at other times it is latent, as when he is resting at home. Lila- shakti (the play-power of Brahman) functions in an analogous way, and by virtue of this the unmanifest, ever remaining in its absolute state, manifests into creation. The almighty nature of the eternal Being thus maintains Reality in both Its aspects, absolute and relative. The Lord says: 'remaining in My own nature I take birth' just as the sap in a tree appears as a leaf and a flower without losing its quality as sap, so the unmanifest Being, remaining unmanifest, imperishable and eternal, takes birth. Nothing happens to the Absolute, and yet the Incarnation of the Absolute springs up, by virtue of Its own nature. Here the Lord is saying - While remaining in My own nature I take birth through My power of creation, and through that I function; that is how I remain unbound and at the same time am able to restore law and order in creation. CBG p. 189 Though I am unborn and of imperishable nature, though Lord of all beings, yet remaining in My own nature I take birth through My own power of Creation. - BG 4.6 - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Visualizing the E8 root system
TurquoiseB wrote: I *get off* on the mystery of it all. If you like playing with models, GO FOR IT. So, mystery is your model that you *get off* on, but what's so mysterious about IF THEN ELSE, 0 and 1, and Visual Basic.net?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
On May 17, 2007, at 11:42 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, my friend, are an idiot who hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Judy's got you nailed on this Doug. Your comment seemed pretty clueless to me as well. I'm beginning to think I need the English translation for nearly *all* of Doug's comments.Maybe it's just me, but many if not most seem to approach ranting stage. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 17, 2007, at 11:42 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: You, my friend, are an idiot who hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Judy's got you nailed on this Doug. Your comment seemed pretty clueless to me as well. I'm beginning to think I need the English translation for nearly *all* of Doug's comments.Maybe it's just me, but many if not most seem to approach ranting stage. Sal Seems to me he's fra Norge eller fra Denmark...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Dome, send $
In a message dated 5/17/2007 11:20:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People are struggling for money in Fairfeild Iowa. MMY, if he had any sense of compassion and heart you would tell Tony Nader to sell his gold crown and fix the dome. Then he would tell the rest of the Rajas in America to sell there crowns and build a new dome in the town of Fairfield, Iowa for the Sidha's that the TMO kicked out of the dome so they can contribute to world peace. Then MMY would invite all of the meditators to participate with the Sidha's letting them know that they are just as important if not more important than the Sidha's. Then MMY would invite all other meditation organizations such as SSR to participate in a global ME regardless if they are practicing TM. They can use their chosen mantra or technique. Now we know MMY will never do this because he has a problem thinking outside of the lower fifth dimensional frequencies. Therefore, why wait for MMY to ordain everything when I can do it myself. And to continue-any teacher that says that mixing different meditation techniques are dangerous is talking from their inflated ego. As long as people are sitting in silence then the ME is in effect regardless if they have been initiated from the TMO or not. Love and Light. Lsoma. Shemp observes: ?? Did I incorrectly read the Kaplan posts that were posted here? Did I not read here that if you cross the Shrivastava family that you do it risking your own physical safety? Did I not read here that a donor who once sent $1 million to the Movement in India was told that the money was lost in transit? What does the fucking cultspeak that you blather above mean in this conversation?conver For automatic deduction from a bank account: I authorize the University to collect my monthly pledge from my checking account/ savings account. Enclosed is a voided check or savings deposit slip from my current account. Cultspeak? Well Shemp, ten pretty good people did sign this crafted fundraising letter with these, that was part of a 4 color 4 page solicitation. TM-Movement glossy and was sent around about the dome roof. Cultspeak? The brochure does read groupspeak and a 'group edit' in this effort. Earnest good, knowing these guys. Not absolute inner sanctum Bevan and John or upper Raja$ level necessarily though nearly, but resolute practical supporters of the old university and the old school consciousness-university and the ol the group meditation program. Differently for the longrun meditating FF community one could hope that these guys had some speck of moral courage to parlay their support for some organizational transparency and not just get layed by the master and powers that be necessarily. Their own following language, 'send your donation, ... so we can make a deposit... is very interesting language of 'accountability' on their character. Sort of like trying to have a credible suporter like, Earl Kaplan at the front door of the 100 millionaires course? Though not unlike old-man Zimmerman or other donors who eventually stopped writing blank checks and dropped to paying on invoices for project contract work actually done. Is a truth and transparency in this against something else which evidently is, the movement. it is the movement, we got here, in FF. JGD, -Doug in FF ... The Dome is is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment this summer. ... They are fundamental to our cherished goals of invincibility for our country, and for creating a more perfect world. ... Maharishi is allowing us the honor to carry on his very precious work. Please make your donation or pledge now at whatever level you can, and thank you in advance for your support. ... Think of it as a small way to repay Maharishi's recent generosity.. There has never been so much given to this community for so little cost. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: The roof of the Men's Golden Dome is leaking and needs to be fixed right away, and we need your help to do it. Whether you enjoy group program in the Men's Dome every day or as a visitor from out of town, we invite you to make a meaningful contribution. … The Dome is at the heart and soul of our community, so please send your donation or pledge now so we can make the deposit required to make a repair appointment later this summer. … .. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. Monday, May 27 Fairfield Public Library at 8:00 pm Free Public Meeting - Everyone Invited Sponsored, in part, by 8000 NOW
[FairfieldLife] Three, four, Infinity
Richard, I'm not sure how you interpret my use of words like Brahma. I'm not religious, but I do have a reverence for concepts. Brahma is merely my place holder word for the ultimate doer, and I think I've used my words that way in my posts. I don't think I've expected anyone to pray to any religion's God(s)or to adopt any dogma on faith, but I do expect that the CONCEPT that there could be any kind of doer at all, let alone an omnipotent One, will be found to be an important idea to integrate in one's world view as either valid or not. Not that someone must have a Great Doer to worship, but that all of us should have clarity about whether the concept resonates and how one's personal stance on doership relates to that of others -- not for edification only but as a practical knowledge needed to navigate social waters. I have concluded that I am not a doer, nor is Brahma, but Brahma is a very handy concept I have for where the buck stops. To me, Brahma is the Harry S Truman of the pantheon -- His concept admits to no higher doer, except from beyond the beyond. To me, as a shorthand, I use Brahma as a writer's convenience. In the book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, we see a guy, Phaedrus, with my same problem -- his friend thought a motorcycle was a collection of parts, but Robert Pirsig's hero instead insisted that a motorcycle was a collection of platonic-esque ideas, and when he used the word piston he was using that word as a placeholder for the concept which could be then used metaphorically in other contexts by conditionalizing them with prepositional phrases, e.g. piston of love, piston of industry, whatever. He saw that he was dealing with a piston of motorcycle -- an example of, not the only embodiment of pistonness. I use Hindu words like that. For instance, on some occasions, I've been the Brahma of Hunkahunkaburninlove. Now, as for whether it makes any sense to think of the universe as having some intrinsic threeness, well, I do. For me it's a belief, a theory. Not to deny unity, but for the purposes of discussion only, I love to think about what if such and such were true? If there has to be a God, what would that God be like? To me, I can chew on that all day -- even though I know I cannot prove that diversity has any reality at all. I mean, we can all just close our eyes and be done with the jawin', right? Silence is the only truth. But how nice, how very pleasant to sit at the feet of Buckminster Fuller and listen to his worldview's take on threeness. There's a guy who knew three, and whoa, he was way good on four too! He knew four cuz he knew three as its basis -- can't have a 3D pyramid without a 2D triangle. Tri to tetra. Then there's the three-body problem, or the three kinds of infinity, or the a prior, axiomatic, logical necessity for three types of gunas. These concepts make me transcend, force me to higher abstractions, get me out of the motorcycle business and into the Platonic ideals business. When faced with the lotus stalk, I was like Brahma -- I had to see how many years I'd follow that trail to Narayana before I too would give up on ever having a physical way to get to God. Until I had to give up like Brahma did. Give up and watch my Tower of Babel collapse. Recognize that no shakti is enough to grant immortality. TM was my lotus stalk. For 29 years I sought perfection and finally turned back, and returned to almost exactly the same place in which I first found myself. Sitting on a lotus without a clue. But the view is so nice. Edg PS -- What a laugh most in my family would have to read my words of I'm not religious. Ask them if 29 years of four hours a day of Hindu ritual practices was me being religious. And now I'm writing four hours a day about religious concepts. Sheeesh! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Here's my first attempt to unfuzzify things. Once upon a time, there were three aspects: Absolute, Being, Manifesting Being. Only in metaphysical theory - there's nothing in nature that would indicate that reality is a manifestation of three supernatural powers. It's more reasonable to infer from observation that there is a primal unity in nature, not chaos. An orderly universe implies a unity, rather than a duality. It's natural to assume that everything is in reality one, and that everything is connected and dependant on other things. Although we infer that the ultimate reality is one, we don't know what to call it until we read the scriptures. Ishvara in the Yoga Tradition is the same as the Brahman in the Vedantic tradition. But, Ishvara is not 'God' in the sense of a Creator nor is Ishvara a demi-God such as Shiva, Parvati, Durga, etc. The only Indian tradition that purported the idea that Brahma the Creator was a material entity was Charvaka and Sanjaya the Skeptic. All the schools
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. That's a Maharishi plan I'd actually enjoy hearing the details of, if anyone attends. The mind boggles. Monday, May 27 Fairfield Public Library at 8:00 pm Free Public Meeting - Everyone Invited Sponsored, in part, by 8000 NOW
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
Eh, just question: does Maharishi think he can carve off a haunch of Native American gambling revenues? How do you translate wampum into Sanskrit? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. That's a Maharishi plan I'd actually enjoy hearing the details of, if anyone attends. The mind boggles. Monday, May 27 Fairfield Public Library at 8:00 pm Free Public Meeting - Everyone Invited Sponsored, in part, by 8000 NOW
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh, just question: does Maharishi think he can carve off a haunch of Native American gambling revenues? How do you translate wampum into Sanskrit? The same way Maharishi has been doing it for years in English: money. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. That's a Maharishi plan I'd actually enjoy hearing the details of, if anyone attends. The mind boggles. Monday, May 27 Fairfield Public Library at 8:00 pm Free Public Meeting - Everyone Invited Sponsored, in part, by 8000 NOW
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three, four, Infinity
Great rap. If you don't mind, I'll riff off of the parts that resonate with me, and leave the other parts for other posters to do justice to. I'm pretty sure that with my world view, I couldn't. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, as for whether it makes any sense to think of the universe as having some intrinsic threeness, well, I do. For me it's a belief, a theory. Not to deny unity, but for the purposes of discussion only, I love to think about what if such and such were true? I get off on the same thing. Fun, isn't it? I get off equally on the question, What if such and such were NOT true. If there has to be a God, what would that God be like? To me, I can chew on that all day... Possibly because I was raised religionless, I never got off on that question very much. I didn't give the whole concept of God much thought until I ran into the curious fact that Buddhism, arguably a fairly serious path to realization, had no need for a God as part of that path. That caused me to ponder the subject and realize that, for most of my life, neither had I. To me, the world seemed to work very well on its own, like some kind of eternal Operating System, nothing more (nor less) than the interaction of karma and free will. Nothing more was *needed* to explain all of the phenomena I saw around me. Therefore, using Occam's Razor, the simpest, most elegant solution is the most probable solution, so I probably-d that I had no need for a God in the theories about the universe that I occas- ionally come up with to amuse myself. I mean, we can all just close our eyes and be done with the jawin', right? Silence is the only truth. I see it more as Just Another Truth, not the only truth. Silence exists. But so does noise. And so does music, and the song of birds and the waves crashing on the shore. Just as a predilection, I really don't weight the silence more than I weight the cacophony of life. They *both* have their place, and they *both* attract me. And they don't even attract me in different ways. As far as I can tell, it is the *same* natural tendency of the mind that draws me to silence, and to the roller-coaster ride of the relative world. I can transcend on either. My pet theory for why this is so is that there is no difference between the silence and the diversity. But that's Just Another Theory, and I'm not very attached to it. Tomorrow might bring a new set of experiences, and thus a new set of theories. I'm sure they'll be as full of black holes as this one, ready to suck me into them and through them, to the next experience and the next theory. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
-- There's no irrefutable proof either way, since worldwide weather undergoes natural (without human intervention) cyclical changes; and we don't know the exact extent to which human activities have contributed to the current level of warming; OR, if the current level will continue to disastrous levels. The problem with your analysis, shemp; is that short of proof in either direction, it's best to error on the side of caution. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
Shemp, Okay, I gotta stomp on your concept. Hang onto your hat, I'm not saying you're a bad person. First, let me admit that it could just be that our sun is a bit warmer lately, and that's all there is to global warming. Could be. BUT . . . If Gore is completely wrong, so what? If The Great Global Warming Swindle makes a fool of anyone who thinks that global warming is humanly caused, so what? Do you mean to say that dumping BILLIONS OF TONS of industrial chemicals into rivers, oceans, land fills and atmosphere is okay by you? It's one thing to have the polar bears die off and not have a smoking gun from industry to blame, but the ocean is dying off right now too, and it ain't the sun doing it. There's a million gage shotgun still smoking in the hands of GM, Ford, Haliburton, Dow, General Mills, etc. All the laws that Gore would have enacted would mostly, methinks, be about forcing upstream pissers to keep it in their pants. What does it matter if the whole of human kind cleans up the planet for the wrong reason -- how can there be a wrong reason for that? 25% of L.A. smog is now Chinese soot. How dark does the sky have to get for you? Do you think there's a lot of time left before the tipping point -- you know, when it rains and the water is so acidic that your lawn dies in about ten seconds? You've got to bite a bullet here, dude. The ends justifies the means. Gore found a way to get all of America talking about pollution, and that GROUP CONSCIOUSNESS was something that would cost (and I know about these things) perhaps a billion dollars in advertising to get America to this point from scratch. And you want to toss that? Just cuz, well, then you'd be vindicated as a better thinker than the stupid greenie babies? You want all of America to stop doing anything about pollution, and, you know, wait for the arrival of a Pollution Messiah who REALLY KNOWS the cause of global warming etc.? Don't you see that that is exactly what Bushco uses as one of its most powerful tools of manipulation? Study something until the complaining person goes away, then do nothing -- that's what happens when Bushco wants to stymie something but still seem to be working on it fervently. Today's Democrats are stalling too.cuz they're hoggies at the same lobby troughs. If they change the name from Global Warming to Global Harming would you be satisfied then? Could Gore convince you then that the earth needed our help? Hey, I'm a polluter. I've got Gaia blood on my hands. I don't know if industry is causing warming, but I sure know all anyone needs to know when it comes to having MTBE in my glass of water. Please don't tell me it's important that the masses have clarity before it's politically correct for someone to motivate them to do something good. We're out of time, dude. When a woman is being raped, the experts suggest that she yells, FIRE FIRE FIRE! HELP FIRE! Do I have to explain why? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/ The problem is that the global warming issue is *so* complicated and *so* technical that laypeople haven't the ghost of a chance of coming to an informed conclusion. The other major problem is that the issue has become so heavily politicized (at least partly because of financial considerations, although religious ones play a role as well) that partisans who are less than scrupulously honest will spin things ferociously in their favor--and again, the layperson simply isn't in a position to see through the spin. So what's the layperson to do? The only thing you *can* do is identify experts you can trust and see what they have to say. For me, that's the folks at the RealClimate.org blog: RealClimate is a commentary site on climate science by working climate scientists for the interested public and journalists. We aim to provide a quick response to developing stories and provide the context sometimes missing in mainstream commentary. The discussion here is restricted to scientific topics and will not get involved in any political or economic implications of the science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the laws that Gore would have enacted would mostly, methinks, be about forcing upstream pissers to keep it in their pants. What does it matter if the whole of human kind cleans up the planet for the wrong reason -- how can there be a wrong reason for that? In fairness to the global warming skeptics, cleaning up pollution and combatting global warming overlap some, but they aren't synonymous. In other words, it's entirely possible to be in favor of cleaning up pollution *and* a skeptic on global warming. These aren't mutually exclusive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- There's no irrefutable proof either way, since worldwide weather undergoes natural (without human intervention) cyclical changes; and we don't know the exact extent to which human activities have contributed to the current level of warming; OR, if the current level will continue to disastrous levels. The problem with your analysis, shemp; is that short of proof in either direction, it's best to error on the side of caution. I totally agree...with the priviso that the cost of erring on the side of caution doesn't itself cause damage. According to Swindle the damage that will be done to the poorest nations of the world will be absolutely horrible if the costs as outlined by the likes of Al Gore are taken. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, Okay, I gotta stomp on your concept. Hang onto your hat, I'm not saying you're a bad person. First, let me admit that it could just be that our sun is a bit warmer lately, and that's all there is to global warming. Could be. BUT . . . If Gore is completely wrong, so what? If The Great Global Warming Swindle makes a fool of anyone who thinks that global warming is humanly caused, so what? As long as the alternatives adopted don't cause damage, I'm all for them! Do you mean to say that dumping BILLIONS OF TONS of industrial chemicals into rivers, oceans, land fills and atmosphere is okay by you? It's one thing to have the polar bears die off and not have a smoking gun from industry to blame, but the ocean is dying off right now too, and it ain't the sun doing it. There's a million gage shotgun still smoking in the hands of GM, Ford, Haliburton, Dow, General Mills, etc. All the above companies don't use that much energy in relation to what they produce. It's the consumers, such as yourself (as you admit as much, below) that consume the carbon. The corporations are just the innocent middlemen to give you what you want from them. If you want electric non-polluting cars, that's what they'll give you! All the laws that Gore would have enacted would mostly, methinks, be about forcing upstream pissers to keep it in their pants. What does it matter if the whole of human kind cleans up the planet for the wrong reason -- how can there be a wrong reason for that? It will be a great thing as long as it doesn't have any negative impact. 25% of L.A. smog is now Chinese soot. How dark does the sky have to get for you? Do you think there's a lot of time left before the tipping point -- you know, when it rains and the water is so acidic that your lawn dies in about ten seconds? You've got to bite a bullet here, dude. The ends justifies the means. Gore found a way to get all of America talking about pollution, and that GROUP CONSCIOUSNESS was something that would cost (and I know about these things) perhaps a billion dollars in advertising to get America to this point from scratch. And you want to toss that? Just cuz, well, then you'd be vindicated as a better thinker than the stupid greenie babies? You want all of America to stop doing anything about pollution, and, you know, wait for the arrival of a Pollution Messiah who REALLY KNOWS the cause of global warming etc.? Don't you see that that is exactly what Bushco uses as one of its most powerful tools of manipulation? Study something until the complaining person goes away, then do nothing -- that's what happens when Bushco wants to stymie something but still seem to be working on it fervently. Today's Democrats are stalling too.cuz they're hoggies at the same lobby troughs. If they change the name from Global Warming to Global Harming would you be satisfied then? Could Gore convince you then that the earth needed our help? Hey, I'm a polluter. I've got Gaia blood on my hands. I don't know if industry is causing warming, but I sure know all anyone needs to know when it comes to having MTBE in my glass of water. Please don't tell me it's important that the masses have clarity before it's politically correct for someone to motivate them to do something good. We're out of time, dude. When a woman is being raped, the experts suggest that she yells, FIRE FIRE FIRE! HELP FIRE! Do I have to explain why? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy. Swindle is the work of a PR firm and the 1 actual climate scientist interviewed in the DVD, Carl Wunsch, has publicly disassociated himself from the film, writing a public letter: Channel 4 now says they were making a film in a series of polemics. There is nothing in the communication we had (much of it on the telephone or with the film crew on the day they were in Boston) that suggested they were making a film that was one-sided, anti-educational, and misleading. I took them at face value---clearly a great error. I knew I had no control over the actual content, but it never occurred to me that I was dealing with people who already had a reputation for distortion and exaggeration.' More from Wunsch and a takedown of the socalled science in Swindle can be found at realclimate.org or of course you can actually read the state of the art science on the matter in the IPCC report.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
Hoehneris that a native American name? --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. Monday, May 27 Fairfield Public Library at 8:00 pm Free Public Meeting - Everyone Invited Sponsored, in part, by 8000 NOW To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
RE: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting Hoehneris that a native American name? Sounds like a Krauter BonBon to me, but I think he has a significant percentage of Native American blood. There's a little drama behind this in that Steve Ulicny has been going to the reservations for decades to teach TM, and in many cases has been accepted as one of them, participating in their ceremonies and sweat lodges, undergoing some of their initiation rites, accompanying an old chief to testify on Capitol Hill, etc. And, not charging the proper TM course fee, which has always put him on shaky ground with the TMO. Tim Hoehner is the official guy, but as far as I know, hasn't really bonded with them like Steve did. Also, as far as I know, he is charging the full course fee, which means that he has to raise mucho dinero to initiate those who can't afford it. Or, as someone suggested, maybe he's skipping the poor reservations and hitting the casino crowd. Yo no se.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoehneris that a native American name? Definitely- you've never heard of the Harmonica tribe of the Dakotas?
[FairfieldLife] Zen Gardens of Japan
-- http://learn.bowdoin.edu/japanesegardens/gardens/intro/index.html
[FairfieldLife] CSI:Vegas
Anyone catch the CSI season finale last nite? [commenting on this season's recurring serial killer, the miniature killer] Grissom: I live by the Uncertainty Principle. The mere act of observing a phenomenon, changes its nature. Catherine: So trying to catch a killer, we change its behaviour? Grissom: I'm certain we have. [after watching a weird Vegas ventriloquist act, where the dummy just sang: I've got a pain in my sawdust] Cathrine: OK...we're in a David Lynch movie; where's the dwarf? Is it just me, or does it sound like a TMer is in the script-writing dept?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
ever see the T-shirt, shows a bunch of Native Americans with rifles, the caption reads: Homeland Security -- Fighting Terrorists since 1492 Eh, just question: does Maharishi think he can carve off a haunch of Native American gambling revenues? How do you translate wampum into Sanskrit? Edg dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Town Knowledge Meeting INVINCIBLE NATIVE AMERICA Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America Tim Hoehner will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Swindle out on DVD in 2-3 weeks
shempmcgurk wrote: I must thank whomever it was on this forum that posted about The Great Global Warming Swindle several months ago. This is probably the single most important documentary made in the past 25 years and will undoubtedly have a huge impact upon public policy in not only the United States but the world. I have shown the show, which I was able to obtain on DVD, to about 4 different showings already; that is, to people who saw the Al Gore propaganda shit called An Inconvenient Truth, and Swindle leaves them with their jaw hanging. The DVD version will be updated (presumably to edit out the one interviewee, who appears for only 4 minutes of the 75 minutes who said he was misrepresented) as well as lots of extras. Intolerants and elites, such as new.morning, would be well advised to run, not walk, and get a copy. Go live in Bombay for awhile and then tell us what you think.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
He does. Tim was the group leader/attendance taker for my little group when I did a year of CCP in 82-83. Jimmy Claitor was in our group, too. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting Hoehneris that a native American name? Sounds like a Krauter BonBon to me, but I think he has a significant percentage of Native American blood. There's a little drama behind this in that Steve Ulicny has been going to the reservations for decades to teach TM, and in many cases has been accepted as one of them, participating in their ceremonies and sweat lodges, undergoing some of their initiation rites, accompanying an old chief to testify on Capitol Hill, etc. And, not charging the proper TM course fee, which has always put him on shaky ground with the TMO. Tim Hoehner is the official guy, but as far as I know, hasn't really bonded with them like Steve did. Also, as far as I know, he is charging the full course fee, which means that he has to raise mucho dinero to initiate those who can't afford it. Or, as someone suggested, maybe he's skipping the poor reservations and hitting the casino crowd. Yo no se. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
Tim Hoehner, Director of Native American Affairs for Vedic America, will be speaking on Native America's role in creating Invincibility for the United States. Turq: That's a Maharishi plan I'd actually enjoy hearing the details of, if anyone attends. The mind boggles. I had the same exact thought. It's a TB thing. lurk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoehneris that a native American name? Definitely- you've never heard of the Harmonica tribe of the Dakotas? Are they related to the blues brother's? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hoehneris that a native American name? Definitely- you've never heard of the Harmonica tribe of the Dakotas? Yes; they're the ones that organized the Native-American/New Age Harmonica Convergence back in the '80s, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Falwell dead
I think Jesus said to Jerry Falwell, You divided my people and generated
hatred among them. You listened to nothing I said. You shall not stay with me.
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about any of this, but I'd sure love to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Falwell dead
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Gary Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jesus said to Jerry Falwell, You divided my people and generated hatred among them. You listened to nothing I said. You shall not stay with me. Ooh, dramatic. lurk Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hoehneris that a native American name? Definitely- you've never heard of the Harmonica tribe of the Dakotas? Yes; they're the ones that organized the Native-American/New Age Harmonica Convergence back in the '80s, right? Exactly, Walking backwards into the future. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Hot in FF, TSR meeting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hoehneris that a native American name? Definitely- you've never heard of the Harmonica tribe of the Dakotas? Yes; they're the ones that organized the Native-American/New Age Harmonica Convergence back in the '80s, right? Exactly, Walking backwards into the future. :-) Spoken like a true Heyoka, Jim! Indeed, tracking everything backwards into Shiva's darkness, all thanks to that greatest of trickster-clowns, MMY! :-)
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