[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-) If someone can't stand her piercing intellect so be it. I enjoy her tearing inaccurasies to pieces. My vote is for the AMT-gang to retire home, but Judy should stay here. Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Fidel Anticipative of Clinton/Obama Ticket'
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[FairfieldLife] What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
S :This sounds like a possibility..do not want to see her shouldering the grunt work anymore. She is getting tired - the form is almost 60 yrs old and the health has not come to balance. So many don't realize the toll of giving continuously takes on the health- There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work - Why?..because everything within the sadhaka is recycled and taken on in the form of the enlightened being. One can feel the energy of the other moving through the system - it is tapasha to give this way - a great sacrifice to the health. It is time for our Guru to be honored the way she deserves - to provide rest and balance for her. So a small place (1-2 bedrooms) with a view of lake washington or along alki would be nice for her. She could be around nature and relax a little bit. If a schedule could be arranged to help - this might work. If someone is coming to stay, the guys could check them out or stay the night in the ashram at that time.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Fidel Anticipative of Clinton/Obama Ticket'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/29/07 11:37:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Castro's tip: Clinton-Obama the winning ticket Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:06AM EDT Does that surprise you? Uh, did you think Castro was *endorsing* this ticket, MDixon? Perhaps you should actually read the article: He said all U.S. presidential candidates seeking the 'coveted' electoral college votes of Florida have had to demand a democratic government in Cuba to win the backing of the powerful Cuban exile community. Clinton and Obama, both senators, called for democratic change in Cuba last week. Yup, just what Castro wants, a democratic government in Cuba. I read on a lefty blog the other day someone suggesting that the right would claim Castro's prediction that a Clinton/Obama ticket would win meant he supported it. I didn't believe it; I thought not even the right wingnuts could be that stupid. I was wrong.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: A few of the details in Barry's account didn't quite sound right to me, so I decided to check on the earlier versions Barry has related on FFL and alt.m.t. lurker wrote: I hope others will not get drawn into this meaningless debate. So, why are you trying to draw us into this meaningless debate? I too will refuse to debate this topic even if asked by my party to do so. I am way to busy tapping my foot in men's restrooms to engage in such a meaningless debate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] The Loading Zone - Concert Vault - Where Live Music Lives,Streaming Free Music, Live Concert Downloads
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[FairfieldLife] Do spiritual practice in the midst of activity
Namaste Swami-G! Namaste and Great Morning, *I have been working for almost four weeks now. My first impression didnât last long: itâs not such a quiet place after all. The patients are really emotionally disturbed and sometimes violent. I have been kicked and bitten several times: not that hard, but enough to be unpleasant and creating stress. In other situations the patients turn their anger towards themselves and get self destructive. This creates a pretty tense environment on the job: itâs difficult to relax, when Iâm at the job and the tension and stress continue to sit in my body and mind, when I go home. Itâs not as much the violence in it self, itâs more that the patients are so unpredictable and unstable: the sudden outbursts of anger and frustration. Iâm trying to do the mantras and balanced breathing as much as possible, it helps me to stay present, but still itâs not that nice to be there. Very often I find it hard to think of it as seva, even though I do feel compassion for the patients and their deluded souls too. S Seva has nothing to do with how the so called outer circumstances - it is the inner force of love, surrender and equal mindedness that do the work of giving. If working at this place has jostled your perception of how things should be than it is a perfect place for you now as life does not shape itself to your wishes - one only stays steady within and continues with the heart and mind directed towards God. The experiences that come when one is on the path are due to conditions blooming/karma - always grace if surrendered within. Stepping into places of great suffering can be potent heart opening work - don't turn away from it, flow along with it relax. I used to work on an involuntary psych unit where the staff got beat up all the time - used to pay attention to the breath while walking up and down the halls - always looked at the patients as being my very being and treated them this way (no matter how they looked or were behaving). Also, worked in the jail - the guards were supposed to follow the nurse into the cell and stand by, but they rarely did - they were always distracted or chatting away amongst themselves. Stayed relaxed within it and was never harmed - do not regret visiting the dark parts of existence. Now have moved on to working with death and dying as a nurse one cleans wounds, poop, help manage family drama- whatever the day brings. And yes, working on the net, that is a story in itself. S Surrender to the situation, it will become a fluid dance of oneness in action - let go of pulling away from it - take advantage of this opportunity. * When Iâm not at the job I often feel anxiety when thinking about the next time I have to go to work. Meditation helps, but still the fear is there the next time thoughts of my job pop up. What can I do to make the situation more pleasant and to deal with the feeling of anxiety? Iâm only going to work there for one more month, but still I S Stop trying to make it more pleasant. What is it you fear? Imagine living the lives that those poor souls must endure. * want to get the best out of it and learn something from the situation. S Continue with the practices - relax. It is a transient situation... Love Carsten Great Peace and IS, 000 Siddhananda
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didn’t have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that “all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Rick Archer wrote: It seems that no matter how clearly someone relates an experience, you misunderstand it. Michael just related the time Muktananda visited MMY, and at one point in the evening, sat next to MMY on has couch and hugged him. Hundreds of people were there and it was videotaped. I saw the tape myself. Re-read what Michael wrote several times and maybe it'll become clearer. But according to Mr. Goodman, he never once, despite having spent years in the upper echelons of the TMO, and countless hours in the presence of the Marshy, never once saw anyone wrap the Marshy in a hug, sit down next to him, or snuggle up against the Marshy, but you and the others are convinced that the Marshy took to bed countless female students over a number of years for the purpose of sexual gratification. Rick Archer wrote: It's clear from Michael's account that Muktananda hugged him as a fellow yogi. So, who are you going to believe, Rick - Michael Dean Goodman and dozens of others, who spent years with the Marshy, in his room or outside his door, who all said they never saw Marshy hug anyone, or one or two disgruntled back-sliders who said they saw Marshy hug many female students? In your case, you obviously believe the few disgruntled. It wasn't sexual. Everything is sexual, Rick.
[FairfieldLife] Going to the Dogs
To All Members: One wonders what her priorities were in life, dead or alive. AP Helmsley's Dog Gets $12 Million in Will Wednesday August 29, 12:45 pm ET Helmsley Dog Gets $12 Million, but Real Estate Billionaire Leaves Nothing to 2 Grandchildren NEW YORK (AP) -- Leona Helmsley's dog will continue to live an opulent life, and then be buried alongside her in a mausoleum. But two of Helmsley's grandchildren got nothing from the late luxury hotelier and real estate billionaire's estate. ADVERTISEMENT Helmsley left her beloved white Maltese, named Trouble, a $12 million trust fund, according to her will, which was made public Tuesday in surrogate court. She also left millions for her brother, Alvin Rosenthal, who was named to care for Trouble in her absence, as well as two of four grandchildren from her late son Jay Panzirer -- so long as they visit their father's grave site once each calendar year. Otherwise, she wrote, neither will get a penny of the $5 million she left for each. Helmsley left nothing to two of Jay Panzirer's other children -- Craig and Meegan Panzirer -- for reasons that are known to them, she wrote. But no one made out better than Trouble, who once appeared in ads for the Helmsley Hotels, and lived up to her name by biting a housekeeper. I direct that when my dog, Trouble, dies, her remains shall be buried next to my remains in the Helmsley mausoleum, Helmsley wrote in her will. The mausoleum, she ordered, must be washed or steam-cleaned at least once a year. She left behind $3 million for the upkeep of her final resting place in Westchester County, where she is buried with her husband, Harry Helmsley. She also left her chauffeur, Nicholas Celea, $100,000. She ordered that cash from sales of the Helmsley's residences and belongings, reported to be worth billions, be sold and that the money be given to the Leona M. and Harry B. Helmsley Charitable Trust. Her longtime spokesman, Howard Rubenstein, had no comment. Helmsley died earlier this month at her Connecticut home. She became known as a symbol of 1980s greed and earned the nickname the Queen of Mean after her 1988 indictment and subsequent conviction for tax evasion. One employee had quoted her as snarling, Only the little people pay taxes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
Richard J. Williams wrote: So, you're the doctor who sold non-sense gibberish for money and passed out leaflets promising 'enlightenment in 5-7 years' but I'm crazy. boo_lives wrote: Is he really as delusional as he sounds?? You're boo_lives but I'm delusional? Hey, boo, why do all your messages begin with RE: and end on one line?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T wrote: We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. You tell 'em, Tom - send the rascals, Judy, the two Barry's BillyG, Kirk, John, George, and Vaj back to Usenet where they belong, so they can bicker all they want to. Why they'd want to post here is beyond me. Only one of them, that I know of, has ever even been to Fairfield, IA, but none of them have porbably been within 1,000 miles of a Marshy Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in over twenty years. This used to be a nice forum to visit. Whatever happened to those nice guys Tom Pall and Steve Perino?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
I fully agree with Tom Traynor. I do NOT like no one can certainly ENJOY the negative thoughts t often expressed here. The negative expressions also are t frequently expressed very crudely with 4 letter words offensive to say irritating to see or read. THANKS for my delete button used t ofter . I enjoy learn Knowledge of TM its history etc. reading of others experiences expressed kindly thought fully as well. I also enjoy news of FF its environs including MUM its buildings staff faculty. The happenings in town of FF of course the Vedic cite the areas around both places there parks cites restaurants new old as well. my great thanks for all of this to U Rick for limiting posts so they may be more concise better thought out with NO exceptions each of us believe we may be exception to this more easily enforced understood rule stick to the rule THANKS ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
RE: [FairfieldLife] What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat S :This sounds like a possibility..do not want to see her shouldering the grunt work anymore. She is getting tired - the form is almost 60 yrs old and the health has not come to balance. So many don't realize the toll of giving continuously takes on the health- There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work – H. Amma has hugged 20-something million people so far. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: A few of the details in Barry's account didn't quite sound right to me, so I decided to check on the earlier versions Barry has related on FFL and alt.m.t. lurker wrote: I hope others will not get drawn into this meaningless debate. So, why are you trying to draw us into this meaningless debate? I too will refuse to debate this topic even if asked by my party to do so. I am way to busy tapping my foot in men's restrooms to engage in such a meaningless debate. Did you say you're from Idaho? lol To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didn't have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress. You may be confusing the expression with the established reality. I am not advocating or suggesting that those in an enlightened state go around slicing and dicing as part of their personalities, but nonetheless even for Trotoka, he needs to be able to discriminate between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Empty Bill helps out boys and girls! What Did Gandhi Do? One-sided pacifist. By David Lewis Schaefer In the weeks leading up to Operation Iraqi Freedom, American college campuses were plastered with posters asking What Would Gandhi Do? The implication, of course, was that the U.S. should emulate the tactics of the celebrated Hindu pacifist who successfully led the movement for Indian independence from Britain. The analogy, it should go without saying, overlooks major differences between the two cases. Whereas the 20th-century British were far too benign an imperial power to choose to slaughter peaceful resisters to their rule, theres no evidence that Saddam Hussein, already responsible for the massacre and torture of hundreds of thousands of his countrymen (to say nothing of the many more who died in his aggressive wars against Iran and Kuwait) would likewise have succumbed to friendly persuasion Jacques Chirac to the contrary notwithstanding. (Its not that we didnt try!) It is interesting, in this regard, to recall how Gandhi himself responded to the evil perpetrated by one of Saddams role models, Adolf Hitler. In November, 1938, responding to Jewish pleas that he endorse the Zionist cause so as to persuade the British government to open Palestine to immigrants fleeing Hitlers persecution, Gandhi published an open letter flatly rejecting the request. While expressing the utmost sympathy with the Jews and lamenting their age-old persecution, Gandhi explained that the cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me, since Palestine belongs to the Arabs. Instead, he urged the Jews to make that country their home where they are born. To demand just treatment in the lands of their current residence while also demanding that Palestine be made their home, he argued, smacked of hypocrisy. Gandhi even went so far as to remark that this cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews. Of course, Gandhi added, the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in history, and if there ever could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against Germany, to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completely justified. Hitlers regime was showing the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism. Nonetheless, the Hindu leader rejected that notion, since I do not believe in any war. And for Britain, France, and America to declare war on Hitlers regime would bring them no inner joy, no inner strength. Having rejected both the plea that Palestine should be offered as a place of refuge for the Jews and the idea that the Western democracies should launch a war to overthrow Hitler, Gandhi offered only one avenue for the Jews to resist their persecution while preserving their self-respect. Were he a German Jew, Gandhi pronounced, he would challenge the Germans to shoot or imprison him rather than submit to discriminating treatment. Such voluntary suffering, practiced by all the Jews of Germany, would bring them, he promised, immeasurable inner strength and joy. Indeed, if the Jewish mind could be prepared for such suffering, even a massacre of all German Jews could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy, since to the God-fearing, death has no terror. According to Gandhi, it would (for unexplained reasons) be easier for the Jews than for the Czechs (then facing German occupation) to follow his prescription. As inspiration, he offered an exact parallel in the campaign for Indian civil rights in South Africa that he had led decades earlier. Through their strength of suffering, he promised, the German Jews will score a lasting victory over the German Gentiles in the sense that they will have converted [them] to an appreciation of human dignity. And the same policy ought to be followed by Jews already in Palestine enduring Arab pogroms launched against them: if only they would discard the help of the British bayonet for their defense, and instead offer themselves [to the Arabs] to be shot or thrown into the Dead Sea without raising a little finger, the Jews would win a favorable world opinion regarding their religious aspiration. In a thoughtful personal response dated February 24, 1939, the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber who had himself emigrated to Israel from Germany a short time earlier and combined his Zionism with earnest efforts to peacefully reconcile Jewish and Arab claims in the Holy Land chided Gandhi for
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat S :This sounds like a possibility..do not want to see her shouldering the grunt work anymore. She is getting tired - the form is almost 60 yrs old and the health has not come to balance. So many don't realize the toll of giving continuously takes on the health- There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work H. Amma has hugged 20-something million people so far. Very, very good point here. Sure, there is energy transfer, but any Guru worth their salt just neutralizes the energy back to its ground state. Any TMer can do this after meditating awhile too. I think Maharishi calls this the washing machine effect-- lol.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work - My guru does...http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI Why?..because everything within the sadhaka is recycled and taken on in the form of the enlightened being. One can feel the energy of the other moving through the system - it is tapasha to give this way - a great sacrifice to the health. It is time for our Guru to be honored the way she deserves - to provide rest and balance for her. So a small place (1-2 bedrooms) with a view of lake washington or along alki would be nice for her. She could be around nature and relax a little bit. If a schedule could be arranged to help - this might work. If someone is coming to stay, the guys could check them out or stay the night in the ashram at that time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
So, why are you trying to draw us into this meaningless debate? Dr. Pete: I too will refuse to debate this topic even if asked by my party to do so. I am way to busy tapping my foot in men's restrooms to engage in such a meaningless debate. Dude, that was you? Sorry man I've just been paranoid lately, I'll see you in the usual place. (PS the glory hole sign-up sheet is in the 3rd stall) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
Take two, the video is worth it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work - My guru does...http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI Why?..because everything within the sadhaka is recycled and taken on in the form of the enlightened being. One can feel the energy of the other moving through the system - it is tapasha to give this way - a great sacrifice to the health. It is time for our Guru to be honored the way she deserves - to provide rest and balance for her. So a small place (1-2 bedrooms) with a view of lake washington or along alki would be nice for her. She could be around nature and relax a little bit. If a schedule could be arranged to help - this might work. If someone is coming to stay, the guys could check them out or stay the night in the ashram at that time.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
To paraphrase a Japanese poet: Such piercing chill I feel My dead guru's sandal at his altar under my heel heh heh Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didnt have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
It is not so difficult to attain Life beyond death, or walking over water. During the practice of Pranayam when the breath becomes still, after two hours, how far one wants to go in water one can go, because, when Water, Voidness and the self, all are One and I myself is the same, then tranquilizing breath in this body, inner Illumination is attained, when the Kebali Kumbhaka is held, i.e., when the air of respiration becomes tranquil in the normal course of practice. This is one piece of information I comprehend but do not experience or realize as yet. It is not difficult to enter into eternal Life during the present tenure of life this is written in the Upanisad. Jivanmukta refers to a person who is liberated while living in the physical body. When the breath becomes tranquil by the practice of Kriya, if the seeker holds on to this state for two hours he can dive into deep meditation for as long as he wants, he can tune himself in Oneness for a long time. Because water, i.e., the patches of waves in between the eyebrows, Voidness, i.e., ether or Akash, and the Sun, i.e., Light or Energy all are One, i.e., the reflection of the Self or pure Consciousness and absolute I, the embodied Self is so. Eventually the breath is stilled by the practice of Kriya; technically this is called Kebali Kumbhaka in Yoga science. Then every cell of the physical body is illuminated by the inner Light of the Self. As a result, the whole body is illumined and is divinized. The seeker (to be called Jivanmukta) thus attains eternal Life beyond time or death. This information was comprehended by Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyama Charan Lahiri Mahasay on the day when he recorded this realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
---Where's there's smoke, there's fire, but not a mushroom cloud. Go figure. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: It seems that no matter how clearly someone relates an experience, you misunderstand it. Michael just related the time Muktananda visited MMY, and at one point in the evening, sat next to MMY on has couch and hugged him. Hundreds of people were there and it was videotaped. I saw the tape myself. Re-read what Michael wrote several times and maybe it'll become clearer. But according to Mr. Goodman, he never once, despite having spent years in the upper echelons of the TMO, and countless hours in the presence of the Marshy, never once saw anyone wrap the Marshy in a hug, sit down next to him, or snuggle up against the Marshy, but you and the others are convinced that the Marshy took to bed countless female students over a number of years for the purpose of sexual gratification. Rick Archer wrote: It's clear from Michael's account that Muktananda hugged him as a fellow yogi. So, who are you going to believe, Rick - Michael Dean Goodman and dozens of others, who spent years with the Marshy, in his room or outside his door, who all said they never saw Marshy hug anyone, or one or two disgruntled back-sliders who said they saw Marshy hug many female students? In your case, you obviously believe the few disgruntled. It wasn't sexual. Everything is sexual, Rick.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
He's rather a pushy guy. :) curtisdeltablues wrote: Take two, the video is worth it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work - My guru does...http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI Why?..because everything within the sadhaka is recycled and taken on in the form of the enlightened being. One can feel the energy of the other moving through the system - it is tapasha to give this way - a great sacrifice to the health. It is time for our Guru to be honored the way she deserves - to provide rest and balance for her. So a small place (1-2 bedrooms) with a view of lake washington or along alki would be nice for her. She could be around nature and relax a little bit. If a schedule could be arranged to help - this might work. If someone is coming to stay, the guys could check them out or stay the night in the ashram at that time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
I have received shaktipat from MMY, SSRS and a Christian faith healer. Each one had a slightly different quality to it. The most powerful was MMY and SSRS. This, of course, was not done formally by them, but in a informal touch as they based by and reached out and touched me. Pretty intense stuff, actually. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take two, the video is worth it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are absolutely no Guru's who give hands on energy work - My guru does...http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI Why?..because everything within the sadhaka is recycled and taken on in the form of the enlightened being. One can feel the energy of the other moving through the system - it is tapasha to give this way - a great sacrifice to the health. It is time for our Guru to be honored the way she deserves - to provide rest and balance for her. So a small place (1-2 bedrooms) with a view of lake washington or along alki would be nice for her. She could be around nature and relax a little bit. If a schedule could be arranged to help - this might work. If someone is coming to stay, the guys could check them out or stay the night in the ashram at that time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Where's there's smoke, there's fire, but not a mushroom cloud. Go figure. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: It seems that no matter how clearly someone relates an experience, you misunderstand it. Michael just related the time Muktananda visited MMY, and at one point in the evening, sat next to MMY on has couch and hugged him. Hundreds of people were there and it was videotaped. I saw the tape myself. Re-read what Michael wrote several times and maybe it'll become clearer. But according to Mr. Goodman, he never once, despite having spent years in the upper echelons of the TMO, and countless hours in the presence of the Marshy, never once saw anyone wrap the Marshy in a hug, sit down next to him, or snuggle up against the Marshy, but you and the others are convinced that the Marshy took to bed countless female students over a number of years for the purpose of sexual gratification. Rick Archer wrote: It's clear from Michael's account that Muktananda hugged him as a fellow yogi. So, who are you going to believe, Rick - Michael Dean Goodman and dozens of others, who spent years with the Marshy, in his room or outside his door, who all said they never saw Marshy hug anyone, or one or two disgruntled back-sliders who said they saw Marshy hug many female students? In your case, you obviously believe the few disgruntled. It wasn't sexual. Everything is sexual, Rick. Jesus! I almost came after reading the above exchange! Hot! Hot! Hot! Don't stop now, babycakes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: A few of the details in Barry's account didn't quite sound right to me, so I decided to check on the earlier versions Barry has related on FFL and alt.m.t. lurker wrote: I hope others will not get drawn into this meaningless debate. So, why are you trying to draw us into this meaningless debate? I too will refuse to debate this topic even if asked by my party to do so. I am way to busy tapping my foot in men's restrooms to engage in such a meaningless debate. Did you say you're from Idaho? lol What's your name, sailor? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Bec
Jim Flanegin writes snipped: --he needs to be able to discriminate between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-) Tom T: Patanjali final vs (55) of Chapter 3 When the translucent intellect is as clear as the Self. There is enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happens to the Guru when they give shaktipat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take two, the video is worth it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI That was the best hard core Christian theater I've ever seen! Makes Billy Graham and his ilk look like total wimps! This guy is the *shnizzit* :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Richard J. Williams wrote: Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T wrote: We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. You tell 'em, Tom - send the rascals, Judy, the two Barry's BillyG, Kirk, John, George, and Vaj back to Usenet where they belong, so they can bicker all they want to. Why they'd want to post here is beyond me. Only one of them, that I know of, has ever even been to Fairfield, IA, but none of them have porbably been within 1,000 miles of a Marshy Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in over twenty years. This used to be a nice forum to visit. Whatever happened to those nice guys Tom Pall and Steve Perino? You're an AMT alum too and very well known for your trolling there. FYI, I have been in Fairfield, IA. Put that in your chillum and smoke it. I don't think that Rick wants to limit FFL to bliss ninnies. He probably wouldn't stick around himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to Tomt re: Byron Katie .. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Pretty harsh stuff for someone who is expressing his opinion or POV. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not so difficult to attain Life beyond death, or walking over water. During the practice of Pranayam when the breath becomes still, after two hours, how far one wants to go in water one can go, because, when Water, Voidness and the self, all are One and I myself is the same, then tranquilizing breath in this body, inner Illumination is attained, when the Kebali Kumbhaka is held, i.e., when the air of respiration becomes tranquil in the normal course of practice. This is one piece of information I comprehend but do not experience or realize as yet. It is not difficult to enter into eternal Life during the present tenure of life this is written in the Upanisad. Jivanmukta refers to a person who is liberated while living in the physical body. When the breath becomes tranquil by the practice of Kriya, if the seeker holds on to this state for two hours he can dive into deep meditation for as long as he wants, he can tune himself in Oneness for a long time. Because water, i.e., the patches of waves in between the eyebrows, Voidness, i.e., ether or Akash, and the Sun, i.e., Light or Energy all are One, i.e., the reflection of the Self or pure Consciousness and absolute I, the embodied Self is so. Eventually the breath is stilled by the practice of Kriya; technically this is called Kebali Kumbhaka in Yoga science. Then every cell of the physical body is illuminated by the inner Light of the Self. As a result, the whole body is illumined and is divinized. The seeker (to be called Jivanmukta) thus attains eternal Life beyond time or death. This information was comprehended by Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyama Charan Lahiri Mahasay on the day when he recorded this realization. I believe this is how Yogananda left the body voluntarily, as in the mahasamadhi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: to Tomt re: Byron Katie .. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Pretty harsh stuff for someone who is expressing his opinion or POV. Go back and look at what you snipped that led up to my comment. My point was that Tom's gotten himself caught in an infinite regress that literally leaves him with nothing to say. (And note that Tom himself used a four-letter word in the interests of trying to shut *me* up.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirk Quota
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk has unsubscribed. In the words of Jerry Seinfield... Tht's a shame. When he resurfaced recently, I hoped he would update us on life for him, his family and friends in NOLA, 24 months after the levees broke. Maybe he'll resurface, for a thoughtful post on the topic. I remember his optimism about 6 or 8 months ago. I hope things are getting better there for all. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk has unsubscribed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: So do I also have to stop my reading? (no) Or breathing? (no, just try to slow it down. There are various techniques you can try. Some Buddhist, some western, some asian. Look them over. Pick out one that you feel may suit you.) How about I just up and off myself. (Listen, you made it through Katrina. Okay, you made it through the desert. Be a big boy. Don't throw a suicide tantrum) This is just more TM O cultish bullshit and you're perpetuating it. (You know Kirk, just grow up a little. Christ, don't be such a fucken baby.) (lurk) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http:// surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda): http://www.sanskritclassics.com/aboutbaba.html He claimed that a. Yogananda was in (what we would call cc) but not in Unity; and b. that Yogananda taught a modified form of Kriya yoga, not the original. c. Also, he made the simple statement (not boastful at all, but merely conveying certain facts), that he had attained what we call Unity, after transitional period of going in and out of Unity. d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. e. that on on occasion Babaji physically teleported the both of them over a great distance. FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It is not so difficult to attain Life beyond death, or walking over water. During the practice of Pranayam when the breath becomes still, after two hours, how far one wants to go in water one can go, because, when Water, Voidness and the self, all are One and I myself is the same, then tranquilizing breath in this body, inner Illumination is attained, when the Kebali Kumbhaka is held, i.e., when the air of respiration becomes tranquil in the normal course of practice. This is one piece of information I comprehend but do not experience or realize as yet. It is not difficult to enter into eternal Life during the present tenure of life this is written in the Upanisad. Jivanmukta refers to a person who is liberated while living in the physical body. When the breath becomes tranquil by the practice of Kriya, if the seeker holds on to this state for two hours he can dive into deep meditation for as long as he wants, he can tune himself in Oneness for a long time. Because water, i.e., the patches of waves in between the eyebrows, Voidness, i.e., ether or Akash, and the Sun, i.e., Light or Energy all are One, i.e., the reflection of the Self or pure Consciousness and absolute I, the embodied Self is so. Eventually the breath is stilled by the practice of Kriya; technically this is called Kebali Kumbhaka in Yoga science. Then every cell of the physical body is illuminated by the inner Light of the Self. As a result, the whole body is illumined and is divinized. The seeker (to be called Jivanmukta) thus attains eternal Life beyond time or death. This information was comprehended by Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyama Charan Lahiri Mahasay on the day when he recorded this realization. I believe this is how Yogananda left the body voluntarily, as in the mahasamadhi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go back and look at what you snipped that led up to my comment. snip (And note that Tom himself used a four-letter word in the interests of trying to shut *me* up.) Oh, i guess I missed that. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. Careful, you're going to get Peter all excited again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not so difficult to attain Life beyond death, or walking over water. During the practice of Pranayam when the breath becomes still, after two hours, how far one wants to go in water one can go, because, when Water, Voidness and the self, all are One and I myself is the same, then tranquilizing breath in this body, inner Illumination is attained, when the Kebali Kumbhaka is held, i.e., when the air of respiration becomes tranquil in the normal course of practice. This is one piece of information I comprehend but do not experience or realize as yet. It is not difficult to enter into eternal Life during the present tenure of life this is written in the Upanisad. Jivanmukta refers to a person who is liberated while living in the physical body. When the breath becomes tranquil by the practice of Kriya, if the seeker holds on to this state for two hours he can dive into deep meditation for as long as he wants, he can tune himself in Oneness for a long time. Because water, i.e., the patches of waves in between the eyebrows, Voidness, i.e., ether or Akash, and the Sun, i.e., Light or Energy all are One, i.e., the reflection of the Self or pure Consciousness and absolute I, the embodied Self is so. Eventually the breath is stilled by the practice of Kriya; technically this is called Kebali Kumbhaka in Yoga science. Then every cell of the physical body is illuminated by the inner Light of the Self. As a result, the whole body is illumined and is divinized. The seeker (to be called Jivanmukta) thus attains eternal Life beyond time or death. This information was comprehended by Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyama Charan Lahiri Mahasay on the day when he recorded this realization. Nicely put, in conjunction with that Swami Yogananda use to quote the Bible reference: Jesus answered, It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word (prana) that comes from the mouth of God. Hence Babaji is supposedly able to live on prana in the Himalayas and MMY use to talk about the reversal of aging, it's this cosmic substance called prana that can prolong life.
[FairfieldLife] So then, what's the purpose of the devil?
To tempt, of course! When we have met all of Satan's(maya)challenges we will have risen in stature and character and will be fit to enter the kingdom of God. Is that not the purpose of temptation...to build character? When all men have overcome, Satan's job will be finished, and he will simply disappear. That's why we're here, to grow! Be ye therefore *perfect*, even as your Father is heaven is perfect. Meditation allows us shortcuts, but the slow route of trial and error also ensures complete masteryas Max Heindel would say, All will be saved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So then, what's the purpose of the devil?
---Satan's job as the tempter and deceiver is already over. Satan appeared to me in a brilliant vision in the dream state in 1998, and has since been converted to Buddhism. I am now working closely with him on a daily basis helping to rescue stranded souls in the lower non- physical planes of existence. As a forceful ruler of that air element, Satan with a strong wind can immediately catapault souls directly into the higher planes; and with the assistance of many Pure Land Buddhas and Bodhisattvas (that is, Bodhisattvas can also be Buddhas); the souls are given tutorial assistance in various sadhanas to assist in their journey into the realm of pure Consciousness. But he has not disappeared, by any means, nor will he. Satan lives! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To tempt, of course! When we have met all of Satan's(maya)challenges we will have risen in stature and character and will be fit to enter the kingdom of God. Is that not the purpose of temptation...to build character? When all men have overcome, Satan's job will be finished, and he will simply disappear. That's why we're here, to grow! Be ye therefore *perfect*, even as your Father is heaven is perfect. Meditation allows us shortcuts, but the slow route of trial and error also ensures complete masteryas Max Heindel would say, All will be saved.
[FairfieldLife] Writtings from the most recent enlightened one in our group
Namaste and Pranams Sarojiniji - 000: Ah yes... the Glory of this moment is baby grins and childhood laughter. Am sure when the children are older and more independent, more will be done in terms of Sharing This Truth of Freedom. At present, will stand tall as a Light for those surrounding this one: will spend some time allowing them to see the Walk, then perhaps they will be more open to the Talk. Some may need to see that nothing is lost, life goes on as IS, but becomes a Beautiful Dance and Wonderfully Free. Triple 0: To find the jewel of freedom within ordinary life is such a beautiful offering to others. It helps those seeking to see that enlightenment is not off in some distant land, something far away that one must travel to an exotic place, wear a loin cloth and all of that. It is here and now within regular living - such a gift the light that shines from you. In joy and smilesOmmm *The body will be carried wherever the winds of the Universe blow... Triple 0: Exactly, like a log carried along in the current of life - here, there no difference * such is the Beauty of Freedom - no worries or *personal responsibility* remains... just a flow in this moment and on to the next, Savoring whatever may come. Triple 0: Ommm Maha Shanti OM, Sarojini 000 Om Namo Narayan 000 Siddhananda Namaste Golden Goddess of Neptune, 00: By the way, how are your blissful attendants doing this evening? Taking care of all your needs it is hoped. 000: Unfortunately these lowly creatures only bathed my angel wings with whole milk, rather than milk from a golden horned sheep. Fools. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh... can't wait for all to enjoy this Wonderful Laughter!! 000 Sarojini Namaste God, Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Will rest with that... while running to the toilet before one has an *accident* in the pants. But wait, am Enlightened... shouldn't one not have to pee anymore!? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Good night and Love to ALL, Sarojini 000 Namaste Nyingje, Don't Know it yet, but this is your joke, too! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Phew... the body is all tuckered out from this Laughter. Cheeks are hurtin'! What Joy in Freedom... what Great Laughter! Pranams to all, Sarojini 000
Re: [FairfieldLife] Writtings from the most recent enlightened one in our group
Swami Padmalinga-ji frowns upon these ego-encrusted missives. Enlightenment porn. --- Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Namaste and Pranams Sarojiniji - 000: Ah yes... the Glory of this moment is baby grins and childhood laughter. Am sure when the children are older and more independent, more will be done in terms of Sharing This Truth of Freedom. At present, will stand tall as a Light for those surrounding this one: will spend some time allowing them to see the Walk, then perhaps they will be more open to the Talk. Some may need to see that nothing is lost, life goes on as IS, but becomes a Beautiful Dance and Wonderfully Free. Triple 0: To find the jewel of freedom within ordinary life is such a beautiful offering to others. It helps those seeking to see that enlightenment is not off in some distant land, something far away that one must travel to an exotic place, wear a loin cloth and all of that. It is here and now within regular living - such a gift the light that shines from you. In joy and smilesOmmm *The body will be carried wherever the winds of the Universe blow... Triple 0: Exactly, like a log carried along in the current of life - here, there no difference * such is the Beauty of Freedom - no worries or *personal responsibility* remains... just a flow in this moment and on to the next, Savoring whatever may come. Triple 0: Ommm Maha Shanti OM, Sarojini 000 Om Namo Narayan 000 Siddhananda Namaste Golden Goddess of Neptune, 00: By the way, how are your blissful attendants doing this evening? Taking care of all your needs it is hoped. 000: Unfortunately these lowly creatures only bathed my angel wings with whole milk, rather than milk from a golden horned sheep. Fools. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh... can't wait for all to enjoy this Wonderful Laughter!! 000 Sarojini Namaste God, Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Will rest with that... while running to the toilet before one has an *accident* in the pants. But wait, am Enlightened... shouldn't one not have to pee anymore!? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Good night and Love to ALL, Sarojini 000 Namaste Nyingje, Don't Know it yet, but this is your joke, too! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Phew... the body is all tuckered out from this Laughter. Cheeks are hurtin'! What Joy in Freedom... what Great Laughter! Pranams to all, Sarojini 000 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk Lurk, you are such a liar. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Nasty Boy
Great clip of Republican Senator Craig (pro family values, gay sex in the public bathroom Craig) calling Pres. Clinton a nasty, naughty bad boy on national TV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vs5570pKw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blue Pearl in the Guru Gita
On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:56 PM, billy jim wrote: Vaj, for you this is shameless speculation. Well, it's not entirely speculation BJ, it's also insight from friends who've gone thru the whole Yogananda system and then were initiated into Taoist alchemy. I don't mean to be mean but you are better at speculating when you know at least something about the topic - rather than here where you know only what someone wrote. There are different levels of technical complexity in Lahiri Mahasaya's kriya-yoga, not just what you can read in Tantra magazine. Kriya-yoga is actually a Vaishnava tantric yoga using different mahamantras of Hari in an internal sacrifice (antaryaga). And that is just one level only. Taoist microscopic circuit functions in adjunct nadi-s, not sushumna, chintrini, etc. Not true, they just don't call it sushumna or avadhuti. Tibetans use a microsopic type of process to prepare mediums for shamanic pocession by dharma-protectors. For the real Kriyavani-s, much of what they learn is oral transmission only with privacy samaya-s. You should be able to understand and honor this. Nonetheless, a good bit of the kriya info has leaked. I maintain my own tsa-lung samayas, so of course I understand. I only know a little bit anyway but still cannot aid your speculation in this case. See the above. It does appear, based on another friend who decided to be initiated into kriya a couple of years ago, that the higher levels of practice were not taught by SRF but have more recently been taught by others in another lineage. This has caused some controversy between the rival factions. I also purchased an old used book which was said to be Mahasaya's personal revelations and these seem to contain some kriyas that he revealed, so there also is some new innovation in the line, but again, it is my understanding these are not part of the SRF teachings. Go see Swami Prajanananda and receive initiation if you want to know enough to make one of your famous judgements ... i.e. it is just only like such and such or my Grandmother gave a more powerfull diksha in her kitchen while making peach cobbler, quoting Issac of Nineveh and drinking Johnny Walker Black. Thanks, but I'm not interested to be perfectly honest, although I'm sure many who do will derive some benefit and I wish them the best. My previous comment referred to Yogananda's teaching and not that of other offshoots.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. I forwarded this to Cliff. Does the search function in Yahoo groups let you search by the poster’s ID? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. Actually, he ran into interference with me because he repeatedly misconstrued what I'd said and tried to put me down for what he *thought* I'd said. He didn't like being corrected and usually backed out of a potentially productive discussion rather than deal with what I *had* said, because that would have meant at least tacitly conceding he'd gotten it wrong the first time. It was really pretty strange, because he *was* generally a very clear thinker. I'll never forget the post in which he announced, in response to a post in which I'd leveled some criticism of George W. Bush, that I was incapable of imagining anything Bush could do that I'd approve of. Or the time when I said something negative about Wal-Mart and he demanded to know whether I'd ever run a large corporation. Or the post during the strip-tease discussion when he claimed I was telling women what they could or could not do with their bodies. I mean, it was just amazing. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. And I'm the only one here to whom that applies?? Good GRIEF. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO) (Thanks!) , but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T: Eggzactly. Anything and everything expressed her is nothing but an opinion, a POV. As Bryon Katie has so aptly pointed out there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. The exasperation is in the continual insistence that any one person can know or have the divine insight to know what is true and what is a lie. Just give it up kids it is just another addiction or attachment if you like that word better. State your experience or understanding and let others have the liberty to do the same. We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
Thanks Rick, I did a search and am catching up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. I forwarded this to Cliff. Does the search function in Yahoo groups let you search by the poster's ID? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki
From the 2 people I know who had taken the leyham during the 21 day process it was a lot of being sick and having it come out both ends. One of the fellows had wonderful experiences and does so still 2 years later after the leyham wore off. The other fellow has increasing enjoyment in his life but still has obvious challenges, but I dont remember him reporting much flash...But then again flash is not what waking up is about. As for me you can read my post from a few days ago, or read Arjuna Ardagh's book Awakening into Oneness. Some of my on going experiences I discussed recently with my guru, Shree Maa and her instruction was to continue to go inside and not to talk much about it. Form your own conclusions but base them on your own experience and not baseless conjecture. Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T: Eggzactly. Anything and everything expressed her is nothing but an opinion, a POV. As Bryon Katie has so aptly pointed out there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. The exasperation is in the continual insistence that any one person can know or have the divine insight to know what is true and what is a lie. Byron Katie notwithstanding, it doesn't always take divine insight to know when someone is lying. More often than not, all it takes is common sense. If you want to take the extreme relativist position that there are no such things as facts, fine, but that rather seriously limits the kinds of things you can talk about. For instance, the assertion that there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. If that's the case, how come you take Katie's statement to that effect to be true? It's an infinite regress. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Just give it up kids it is just another addiction or attachment if you like that word better. State your experience or understanding and let others have the liberty to do the same. We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. Tom
[FairfieldLife] 'Fidel Anticipative of Clinton/Obama Ticket'
Castro's tip: Clinton-Obama the winning ticket Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:06AM EDT
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HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro is tipping Democratic
candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to team up and win the U.S.
presidential election.
Clinton leads Obama in the race to be the Democratic nominee for the November
2008 election, and Castro said they would make a winning combination.
The word today is that an apparently unbeatable ticket could be Hillary for
president and Obama as her running mate, he wrote in an editorial column on
U.S. presidents published on Tuesday by Cuba's Communist Party newspaper,
Granma.
At 81, Castro has outlasted nine U.S. presidents since his 1959 revolution
turned Cuba into a thorn in Washington's side by building a communist society
about 90 miles offshore from the United States.
He said all U.S. presidential candidates seeking the coveted electoral
college votes of Florida have had to demand a democratic government in Cuba to
win the backing of the powerful Cuban exile community.
Clinton and Obama, both senators, called for democratic change in Cuba last
week.
Castro has not appeared in public since intestinal illness forced him to hand
over power to his brother Raul Castro in July last year.
He has turned to writing dozens of columns and essays, but rumors that his
health is worsening or that he may even be dead have swirled through the Cuban
exile community in Miami in the last two weeks.
Castro's only reference to U.S. President George W. Bush in his latest essay
was to say that he needed fraud to win Florida's electoral college votes and
the presidency in the fiercely contested election in 2000.
Castro said former President Bill Clinton was really kind when he bumped
into him and the two men shook hands at a U.N. summit meeting in 2000. He also
praised Clinton for sending elite police to rescue shipwrecked Cuban boy
Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives in 2000 to end an
international custody battle.
But even Clinton was forced to bow to Miami politics and tighten the U.S.
embargo against Cuba in 1996, using as a pretext the shooting down of two
small planes used by exile groups to overfly Havana, Castro wrote.
He said his favorite U.S. president since 1959 was Jimmy Carter, another
Democrat, because he was not an accomplice to efforts to violently overthrow
the Cuban government.
Sixteen years after Dwight Eisenhower broke off diplomatic ties with Cuba,
Carter restored low-level relations in 1977 when interest sections were opened
in each country's capital.
Castro made no mention of Republican Cold War victor Ronald Reagan, or of
John F. Kennedy, whose Democratic administration launched the disastrous Bay of
Pigs invasion by CIA-trained Cuban exiles in 1961.
One of the most dangerous moments of the Cold War came a year later when
Kennedy and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev faced off for 13 days over Soviet
missiles that Castro allowed Moscow to place in Cuba.
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[FairfieldLife] 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
GANDHI: THE MAHATMA -Dr. Ravindra Kumar* It was in seventies I had an opportunity to discuss a little about Mahatma Gandhi with my teacher for the first time. What conversation I had about is now lost in the abyss of time. But later I always wondered why an international political leader like Gandhi was addressed as Mahatma, an honorific frequently used for a spiritually elevated soul. To find an answer, I think it is essential to review his life not in parts, but as a whole. Gandhi affectionately called Bapu was a great leader endowed with a spiritual yearning for truth. The quintessence of his philosophy of life was the realization of Satya [truth] and Ahimsa [non- violence]. His purpose of life was as he says, to achieve self- realization, to see God face to face, to obtain Moksha [Salvation]. But his approach was different from that of other seekers. Gandhi received good Samskaras [pre-disposition] by virtue of his birth in a religious Vaishnava family of Gujarat, particularly from his mother who left an indelible impression of her saintliness on his tender mind. He imbibed truthfulness from the characteristics of the hero of the play Harishchandra. He wondered, Why should not we be truthful like Harishchandra? The question haunted him day and night. The king Harishchandra became the ideal hero of his dream and the paragon of truth. He so inspired him as to remain truthful all through his life even under trying circumstances and stands firm on his convictions. Gandhis endeavours for self-realization were through strict observance of truth. He moulded his actions on the basis of truth, only the truth that he perceived within. The word truth ordinarily connotes not to tell lies. But for Gandhi it implied much more. Even hiding the truth from someone was deemed as untruth by him. He considered that the narrow implication of the term had belied its magnitude. Defining Truth he writes, The root of Satya [truth] lies in Sat. Sat means the Being and Satyathe feeling of the Being. Everything is perishable except Sat. Therefore, the true name of God is Sat, thereby implying Satya [Truth] so, instead of saying God is Truth, it is better to say Truth is God. A question may now arise whether the realization of Truth and the realization of Self were one and the same for him or the two entities. We get the answer from Maharishi Raman, What is Satya except Self? Satya is that which is made of Sat. Again Sat is nothing but Self. So Gandhijis Satya is only the Self. It is now clear, what Gandhi meant by Truth was in fact the realization of Self. He writes, What I meant to achieve what I have been striving and pining to achieve these thirty years is self-realization, to see God face to face, to attain Moksha [salvation]. How to realize God is a complicate question. The realization of God can be attained by purity of mind and heart and Sadhana [constant practice]. Bhagvad-Gita, the dialogue between Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the epic Mahabharata, is regarded as a sacred Hindu scripture and an infallible guide of daily practice. Lord Krishna tells about four paths of God-realization. They are the service and sacrifice [Karma Yoga], devotion and self- surrender [Bhakti Yoga], concentration and meditation [Raja Yoga], discrimination and wisdom [Jnana Yoga]. There is no line of demarcation between one and another and one path does not exclude the others. A seeker can follow any of them according to his/ her temperament. Ultimately they all lead to one goal the realization of God. Gandhi held Bhagvad-Gita in high esteem. He writes, Those who will meditate on Gita will derive fresh joy and new meanings from it everyday. There is no single spiritual tangle which the Gita cannot unravel. He found answer to the above question in GitaVairagya [non- attachment] or Abhyas Yoga [practice]. Vairagya means total indifference to worldly things and concentration only on the Absolute. Lord Krishna says in Gita: Fix thy mind on Me only, place thy intellect in Me; then thou shalt no doubt live in Me alone hereafter.[Chapter XII: Shloka 8] And further says he, If thou art not able to fix thy mind steadily on Me, then by Yoga of constant Practice [Abhyas Yoga] do thou seek to reach Me. [Ibid: 9] Gandhi was born to serve humanity. He was a practical man; he chose the path of practice and the path of renunciation of the fruits of action. Absolute faith in God and surrender to His Will became his object of observance [Niyam] and the constant thought of the Truth Practice [Abhyas Yoga]. His mind was always occupied with truth in all walks of life personal, social or political. Gandhi was a seeker and introspection was the method of his Sadhana. He writes, I have gone through deep introspection, searched myself through and through, and examined and analyzed every psychological situation. The study
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-) If someone can't stand her piercing intellect so be it. I enjoy her tearing inaccurasies to pieces. My vote is for the AMT-gang to retire home, but Judy should stay here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'
I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GANDHI: THE MAHATMA -Dr. Ravindra Kumar* It was in seventies I had an opportunity to discuss a little about Mahatma Gandhi with my teacher for the first time. What conversation I had about is now lost in the abyss of time. But later I always wondered why an international political leader like Gandhi was addressed as Mahatma, an honorific frequently used for a spiritually elevated soul. To find an answer, I think it is essential to review his life not in parts, but as a whole. Gandhi affectionately called Bapu was a great leader endowed with a spiritual yearning for truth. The quintessence of his philosophy of life was the realization of Satya [truth] and Ahimsa [non- violence]. His purpose of life was as he says, to achieve self- realization, to see God face to face, to obtain Moksha [Salvation]. But his approach was different from that of other seekers. Gandhi received good Samskaras [pre-disposition] by virtue of his birth in a religious Vaishnava family of Gujarat, particularly from his mother who left an indelible impression of her saintliness on his tender mind. He imbibed truthfulness from the characteristics of the hero of the play `Harishchandra'. He wondered, Why should not we be truthful like Harishchandra? The question haunted him day and night. The king Harishchandra became the ideal hero of his dream and the paragon of truth. He so inspired him as to remain truthful all through his life even under trying circumstances and stands firm on his convictions. Gandhi's endeavours for self-realization were through strict observance of truth. He moulded his actions on the basis of truth, only the truth that he perceived within. The word truth ordinarily connotes not to tell lies. But for Gandhi it implied much more. Even hiding the truth from someone was deemed as untruth by him. He considered that the narrow implication of the term had belied its magnitude. Defining Truth he writes, The root of `Satya' [truth] lies in `Sat'. Sat means the `Being' and Satyathe feeling of the `Being'. Everything is perishable except `Sat'. Therefore, the true name of God is `Sat', thereby implying `Satya [Truth] so, instead of saying `God is Truth', it is better to say `Truth is God'. A question may now arise whether the realization of Truth and the realization of `Self' were one and the same for him or the two entities. We get the answer from Maharishi Raman, What is Satya except `Self'? Satya is that which is made of Sat. Again Sat is nothing but Self. So Gandhiji's Satya is only the Self. It is now clear, what Gandhi meant by Truth was in fact the realization of Self. He writes, What I meant to achieve what I have been striving and pining to achieve these thirty years is self-realization, to see God face to face, to attain Moksha [salvation]. How to realize God is a complicate question. The realization of God can be attained by purity of mind and heart and Sadhana [constant practice]. Bhagvad-Gita, the dialogue between Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the epic Mahabharata, is regarded as a sacred Hindu scripture and an infallible guide of daily practice. Lord Krishna tells about four paths of God-realization. They are the service and sacrifice [Karma Yoga], devotion and self- surrender [Bhakti Yoga], concentration and meditation [Raja Yoga], discrimination and wisdom [Jnana Yoga]. There is no line of demarcation between one and another and one path does not exclude the others. A seeker can follow any of them according to his/ her temperament. Ultimately they all lead to one goal the realization of God. Gandhi held Bhagvad-Gita in high esteem. He writes, Those who will meditate on Gita will derive fresh joy and new meanings from it everyday. There is no single spiritual tangle which the Gita cannot unravel. He found answer to the above question in GitaVairagya [non- attachment] or Abhyas Yoga [practice]. Vairagya means total indifference to worldly things and concentration only on the Absolute. Lord Krishna says in Gita: Fix thy mind on Me only, place thy intellect in Me; then thou shalt no doubt live in Me alone hereafter.[Chapter XII: Shloka 8] And further says he, If thou art not able to fix thy mind steadily on Me, then by Yoga of constant Practice [Abhyas Yoga] do thou seek to reach Me. [Ibid: 9] Gandhi was born to serve humanity. He was a practical man; he chose the path of practice and the path of renunciation of the fruits of action. Absolute faith in God and surrender to His Will became his object of observance [Niyam] and the constant thought of the Truth Practice [Abhyas Yoga]. His mind was always occupied with truth
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
jstein wrote: A few of the details in Barry's account didn't quite sound right to me, so I decided to check on the earlier versions Barry has related on FFL and alt.m.t. lurker wrote: I hope others will not get drawn into this meaningless debate. So, why are you trying to draw us into this meaningless debate?
