[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter To Curtis Blues
You should sue Curtis for misrepresentation. Or better still: Curtis should change his name to CurtisHappyFeet. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, I came back from walking my dogs along the beach this evening, and found that the Blues Fairy had left a gift for me. (At least I think it was from the Blues Fairy; that's a more woo woo explanation than it having been left by the postman, and makes me seem SO much more important, so in keeping with FFL tradition, I'm gonna go with it.) In the Blues Fairy's package were two copies of a new CD by yourself. I've been reading a bit about you and the misery of your lifestyle here on FFL, so I could barely wait to hear that misery expressed in all its depressing splendor in the form of the Blues. I figured, Misery. Blues. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me. I am hereby writing to complain that I was disappointed. I found not a gram of misery in your album. What I found instead was a kind of joyous celebration of life, with all of its highs and lows. What a gyp! After what Dan said, I was expecting misery. :-) Seriously, dude, great work. You *know* that Blues is not my first love in terms of music, but here I sit in my garden as the sun goes down, sipping a nice glass of Lagavulin and listening to the album for the second time, straight through. It's that charming and capti- vating and above all, infectious. Just now a couple staying at the hotel next door walked out onto their balcony and stood listening for a while, obviously infected as well. They actually danced a little to Easy Rider Blues. It may be too soon for me to have favorites, but I'll do my best with first (really second) impressions. * I loved Baker Blues. Great opener, and had me tapping my foot and fondly remembering rolling some dough of my own. This one must be a real gal-pleaser in person. Excellent slide and harmonica work. * Hard Luck Shoes had me musically thinking about the time I got to see Mark Knopfler sit in with an English skiffle band. He loves this kinda stuff. This one has some tremendous lyrics. * Little School Girl got me to missin' Edg. He'd be all over my predator butt for liking it. * You may have recorded the best version of One Kind Favor I've ever heard...it shifted my assemblage point and catapulted me into a kind of Jim Jarmusch movie alternative reality, akin to Dead Man. Or maybe it was dashing off the Western movie post that did it. Whatever. * The Stones should be so lucky as to do a version of Love In Vain this smokin'. * Loved the sound of the cigar box guitar on Second Chance. Robert's gonna love this one. * Traveling Riverside Blues got *me* dancing. * The diddley bow is wonderful on Well Worn Blues. It's amazing how much range there is in a one-stringed instru- ment. And it's also amazing how much range there is in your lyrics. You have written a beatiful song here, Curtis. It's truly lovely, world class. Deep bow. Deep bow all around. Great work, man. Even if you did leave out the misery. Unc
[FairfieldLife] 'Holland Prepares for Mayan End of Time'
Many Dutch prepare for 2012 apocalypse Published: June 23, 2008 at 7:25 PM Order reprints | Print Story | Email to a Friend | Post a Comment AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, June 23 (UPI) -- Thousands of people in the Netherlands say they expect the world to end in 2012, and many say they are taking precautions to prepare for the apocalypse. The Dutch-language de Volkskrant newspaper said it spoke to thousands of believers in the impending end of civilization, and while theories on the supposed catastrophe varied, most tied the 2012 date to the end of the Mayan calendar, Radio Netherlands reported Monday. De Volkskrant said many of those interviewed are stocking up on emergency supplies, including life rafts and other equipment. Some who spoke to the newspaper were optimistic about the end of civilization. You know, maybe it's really not that bad that the Netherlands will be destroyed, Petra Faile said. I don't like it here anymore. Take immigration, for example. They keep letting people in. And then we have to build more houses, which makes the Netherlands even heavier. The country will sink even lower, which will make the flooding worse.
[FairfieldLife] 'Intensification of Indra Agni on West Coast' (as well as Vaiyoo Veda...)
800 Lightning-Sparked Fires Stretch Crews Thin Sacramento Valley Covered In Thick Haze Real-Time Air Quality Conditions Lightning Storm Takes Out CBS13 Camera SAN FRANCISCO (AP) ¯ More than 800 wildfires sparked by an unprecedented lightning storm burned a swath of Northern California from Big Sur to wine country to Humboldt County on Monday. Thousands of firefighters battled the blazes on the ground and from the air and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was alarmed by the number of fires that kept erupting. You can imagine how shocked I was yesterday when I got my briefings (Sunday) night and I was told that we have 520 fires all over the state of California, he said. So it was quite shocking to me, only to find out this morning that that number has actually gone up to 700 and some fires. Moments later, a top state fire official standing at Schwarzenegger's side offered a grim update: The figure was actually 842 fires, said Del Walters, assistant regional chief of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. All but a couple were in the northern part of the state. This is an unprecedented lightning storm in California, that it lasted as long as it did, 5,000 to 6,000 lightning strikes, Walters said. We are finding fires all the time. Schwarzenegger said he had enlisted the help of firefighters from Nevada and Oregon, because you can never prepare for 500 or 700 or 800 fires all at the same time. Part of the reason for the swelling number of wildfires was that local and state officials were still counting after the fierce thunderstorm Friday night touched off blazes. We didn't get real lucky with this lighting storm, Walters said. It wasn't predicted -- which often happens with these storms that come in off the Pacific, there's no history of the weather as it approaches the shore -- and so we got hammered. In Mendocino County alone there were 110 fires, with just 17 contained. Two of the biggest fires had each charred nearly 6 square miles. One started in Napa County and quickly moved into a mostly rural area of Solano County, and threatened about 250 homes and 50 other buildings as it fed on grassy woodland about 40 miles southwest of Sacramento, said Kevin Colburn, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire. It was 60 percent contained Monday. The other was in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest, about 160 miles north of Sacramento, where lightning sparked dozens of blazes. The largest of the fires threatened about 1,200 homes, and several youth camps and forced evacuations. The governor declared a state of emergency in Monterey and Trinity Counties on Monday. Wildfires have destroyed more than 175 homes in Northern California so far this year. Blazes started popping up in the region just as California's unofficial fire season began in mid-May, following the state's driest two-month period on record. My hat is off to all the firefighters out there on the ground, dirty, hot, smoky, Walters said. And it's going to be a long road for us. Along the coast in the Los Padres National Forest, a 2,000-acre wildfire burning south of Big Sur in Monterey County since Saturday forced the evacuations of 75 homes and businesses, destroyed one house and threatened hundreds of others. It also led to an emergency airlift Sunday of eight endangered California condors. U.S. Coast Guard helicopters transported the seven juveniles and one adult bird from a wildlife center to the Monterey Airport. A second fire in the Los Padres burned more than 57,000 acres and has injured nine firefighters. Two lightning-sparked blazes about 25 miles south of San Jose also forced hundreds of residents to flee over the weekend. The fires covered about 2 square miles. Officials said one fire was 90 percent contained Monday and the other 50 percent contained. Most residents were being let back into their homes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from a friend on Mother Divine: Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. A ray of hope, perhaps one day he will admit to not knowing the mechanics of natures functioning at all and the TMO can stop pretending something ineffable has occured when it rains a bit harder than usual. Funny that the chief sponsor of all this coherence has his own petrochemical company. How AofE is that? Are they planning to phase it out in favour of solar power anytime soon?
[FairfieldLife] From our heart!
* 2 imá#7747; sú asmai h#7771;dá a#769;#772; súta#7779;#7789;á#7747;[ ] * mántra#7747; vocema: kuvíd asya védat? * Apa#769;#772;#7747; náp#257;d, asuríasya mahna#769;#772;, * ví#347;v#257;ni aryó bhúvan#257; jaj#257;na. We would verily utter from our heart this well-fashioned hymn for him. Perchance he will take note of it. The Son of Waters, the lord, by the greatness of divine dominion, has created all beings. h#7771;dá a#769;#772;: this expression occurs several times, e. g. iii. 39, 1: matír h#7771;dá a#769;#772; vacyám#257;n#257; a prayer welling from the heart. súta#7779;#7789;am well-fashioned, like a car, to which the seers frequently compare their hymns; * 2 imá#7747; (this) sú (verily?) asmai (for him) h#7771;dá a#769;#772; (from [our] heart) súta#7779;#7789;á#7747; (well-fashioned) * mántra#7747; (hymn) vocema (we would utter): kuvíd (perchance) asya (of it) védat (he will take note)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: From our heart!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * 2 imá#7747; sú asmai h#7771;dá a#769;#772; súta#7779;#7789;á#7747;[ ] * mántra#7747; vocema: kuvíd asya védat? * Apa#769;#772;#7747; náp#257;d, asuríasya mahna#769;#772;, * ví#347;v#257;ni aryó bhúvan#257; jaj#257;na. Ooops! :0 http://tinyurl.com/5rnn68
[FairfieldLife] 'Joe Biden for V.P.'
Joe has certainly earned his 'stripes'... He has felt, first hand the sacrificed troops, Landing at Dover. He has felt the ground shake with the thunderous noise, Of the beginning of the war, with Saddam. Way back in 2003. Joe's name says it all: Solid, dependable, stable, smart, and always voted to protect the troops. Joe Bidden would be the best choice, for Sen. Obama... Robert Gimbel Madison, WI
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Not gonna happen. If you choose to continue embarrassing yourself (and, at the same time, TM and Maharishi), I am going to continue helping you to do so. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. Have you met Jim yet? The two of you would get along. :-) Have you ever consider the Hubris Factor of someone who considers himself so important as to believe that his actions can be equated to karma? Have you ever considered the possibility that, in addition to being a putz, you're a little insane? Besides, you'll be gone for the rest of this week and all of next week any moment now. The thing about insane people who believe that they are the instruments of holy karma is that they can rarely count to 50. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. That's 50. Bye- bye until Saturday, dan. Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal. I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming from the assembled throng, geez... On the other hand, Dan's a little refreshing and interesting to hear on this forum. It's been a long time since we've had a real TB (in the sense of TRUE BELIEVER, all caps) here. Even Nabby is Off The Program, and we all know it, and he's had his edges worn down over the years here, enough to even have developed a sense of humor and to be able to make a joke out of his recurring Get a checking. But the raw, unadorned, unaffected-by-reality TM True Believer mentality -- that is something else entirely. Someone who has gone for over 40 years without ever having a thought of his own, content with parroting what was told to him by someone wearing a white sheet, as if that cos- tume made him the Voice Of God. THAT is pretty interesting. And it's fascinating to me how Dan -- clueless newb that he is, and unaware of the HISTORY of FFL -- drops right in to the mold of the TB. 1. His first attempts at posting are to make pronouncements, as if they spring from a foun- tain of Eternal Truth and to try to suck attention. 2. His second reaction is to get angry when he doesn't GET that attention. 3. His third reaction, when Sal pokes a little fun at him for his Charleton Heston imitation, is to go ballistic and turn authoritarian, and try to have her moderated away. Can anything BE more TMO-like? Dan is obviously used to TM environments in which heresy is rewarded with banishment, and is hoping to implement that policy here. 4. He's got deficient hardware. It's like his brain contains not RAM but WOM (Write Only Memory). He *consistently* refuses to read anything that doesn't agree with his belief system or his overinflated view of himself. It's the classic fingers-in-the-ears I can't HEAR you...I can't HEAR you mentality of the TMO to a T. 5. Namecalling. The *moment* that someone treats him as less than Godlike (or even offers him some compassionate advice), he thinks up a dis- paraging name for them and throws it at them. 6. Delusions of grandeur. He talks openly about being the instrument of karma for those he is lashing out at, as if God has selected him to lay waste to their infidel asses, and he's on a noble mission. Instead of being a putz angry at being called on being a putz. So many more examples of the TB mentality, but I suspect that this is a good start at recog- nizing them. Drop-ins like Dan (he won't last) really ARE valuable on a forum like Fairfield Life, because they point out how far the folks we normally think of as TBs have come. After a few years here, they've had their rough edges polished away through interaction with people who don't buy their bullshit, and some are approaching balanced behavior and thought. But Dan? He's fresh out of the TM womb, man. He clearly has had little or no interaction with the real world in the time since he left Estes Park, and it shows. We can learn from this -- by seeing how we used to be, back in the dark ages of our own personal development, and by seeing personified in him the very things that drove us away from the TM madhouse, and drove us to seek sanity elsewhere. Dan's a true gift on a forum such as this one. The Newb so clueless that he doesn't even real- ize that he personifies The Worst about all the things he believes are The Best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
Doncha think that Dan Friedman and Judy Stein would make a lovely couple? Judy's in New Jersey, and Dan's just a couple of bridges away, in Harlem. They could get it on and then lay in bed afterwards and (because cigarettes are tamassic, doncha know) extend their afterglow by logging onto the Internet and trashing someone they've never met. :-) Another thing they've got in common is lack of control. Judy blew out for the week in two days (Yahoo's search engine shows Judy at 52 for the week, including this post, not 50), and Dan man- aged to do the same thing in one day. So they've got compulsions in common, too. Not to *mention* the fact that Judy is so addicted to FFL that she's out there compulsively following each of the posts, even when she can't post. How many think that Dan is going to be doing the exact same thing the rest of this week and that, like Judy, he'll walk through the swingin' doors of the FFL Saloon next week with an even bigger chip on his shoulder and a shitload of anger in his gut that he has to aim at someone, anyone. A match made in heaven, I tell you... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd had my 50, but according to Bhairitu's count, I've got one left. Barry's the lucky target, er, recipient. He claims Feste, Lawson, and I haven't changed our view of Knapp in the 10-plus years since we encountered him on on alt.m.t because *we* haven't changed, and therefore we can't see the positive changes in Knapp. Barry's forgotten something, though. About a year and a half ago, Knapp started the TMFree blog for disaffected former TMers to complain about TM; and he put up his own Family Counseling site to advertise his cult-counseling services, with a particular focus on former TMers. (Couldn't be any connection between the two, of course.) I've been checking the blog regularly; I even participated as a commenter in its first months. And I've browsed around Knapp's Family Counseling site. Reading one or the other or both gives you a *very* clear idea of where Knapp's head is at currently. There's no need to extrapolate from the thinking and behavior he demonstrated back on alt.m.t and Trancenet more than a decade previously. He hasn't changed. He's become more sophisticated in the way he trashes TM/the TMO/MMY, making extensive use of professional therapeutic jargon so as to sound more authoritative, but the substance is the same as it was over a decade ago. It's just as poisonously negative, and just as dishonestly presented. The Knapp Family Counseling site includes a page headed Why I Believe the Transcendental Meditation Org Is Dangerous. It has many links to articles on the revived Trancenet Web site, including to the notorious German study he pushed so assiduously back in the '90s on alt.m.t, despite being told by professional researchers-- including one who was a strong TM critic and another who was neutral--that the study was completely unscientific. (And no, for various reasons it's not even useful as anecdotal material; I may post on that next week.) As to the TMFree blog, if you think FFL is negative concerning TM/TMers/TMO/MMY, the views expressed here are benignly rosy compared to Knapp's blog, both in the posts and the comments thereon. Anyone who dares say anything positive about TM/TMO/MMY is attacked by the commenters with a ferocity that makes the pro-TMers' comments about TM critics on FFL look like gentle caresses. (I haven't been reading all the comments there, but it appears from what I have read that the few pro-TMers that participated in the beginning have been driven off. At one point when I was still commenting there, Knapp made a half-hearted attempt to dial down the former TMers' hostility, but he didn't bother to keep an eye on things, and nobody paid any attention.) Having delivered himself of this blooper about Knapp, Barry goes on to dig himself an even deeper hole by pointing proudly to Curtis as another example of a former TM critic who has become much milder and more benign. Sez Barry, They [meaning Feste, Lawson, and me] don't believe that it is *possible* for someone they disliked in the past to change in the present. Once they have developed their first impression of them, that impression is fixed, immutable. But we have no problem seeing the changes in Curtis. Barry inadvertently steps on his own point again, as he so often does when he's more anxious to bash TMers than to make sense. Their belief system, Barry proclaims, does not seem to allow for the possibility of [Knapp] having changed over the years. Actually, we see no *evidence* of his having changed over the years, and much evidence, from his blog, his Web site, and his posts here, that he has not--in sharp contrast to the way we see Curtis. A couple more points: This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells in the past
[FairfieldLife] Supernatural?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeOKj5XdVAE Peter Green was/is one of my favourite guitarists. I think he played also in Fleetwood Mac. One comment: Antarblue (1 month ago) At the time this came out, Clapton had popularized sustaining a note with the use of feedback. A lot of guys were doing it. After Supernatural all was silent on that front! This was the 'last word.' There were no sustain pedals then. He does it with complete control. Those notes bounce from one speaker to the other and back again! Try it with headphones.
[FairfieldLife] My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
Although I had little more than passing contact with TM, I visited Seelisberg (Sonnenberg Hotel) one day in 1980, and had a very interesting experience, to say the least, starting with armed guards at the entrance. The purpose of my visit was to see the music recording studio which was supposed to be a prototype of many such studions that were to9 be set up around the world, I'm not sure for what purpose. I would love to communicate with anyone who was involved around that time as I have many questions about what was going on. Peter -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2008 6:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 10693 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual From: TurquoiseB Message __ __ 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual Posted by: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] TurquoiseB Date: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 am ((PDT)) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Not gonna happen. If you choose to continue embarrassing yourself (and, at the same time, TM and Maharishi), I am going to continue helping you to do so. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. Have you met Jim yet? The two of you would get along. :-) Have you ever consider the Hubris Factor of someone who considers himself so important as to believe that his actions can be equated to karma? Have you ever considered the possibility that, in addition to being a putz, you're a little insane? Besides, you'll be gone for the rest of this week and all of next week any moment now. The thing about insane people who believe that they are the instruments of holy karma is that they can rarely count to 50. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL. Messages in this topic (22) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- attachment: winmail.dat
[FairfieldLife] Turq's Story (Part 1)
Interesting thing about expats; how they try to leave behind their failed life and start over in a new culture, hoping to hide their dysfunction behind 'cultural differences'. When that doesn't work, they adopt strong anti-American talk, hoping that their self-hatred will get Turqys accepted. Failing that, they take flight to the internet, spewing anti-American, anti-TM, racist, homophobic hatred. Now they have successfully attracted like demented minds. This A-hole writes me at home. Weak His wife didn't like his balls, so he showed them around the internet, but still didn't get thick. Some weakness in body and mind. So he acts out. Best regards to Turd
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
lurkernomore, your name alone has inspired me to contribute (in equal measure) to this forum. Your kind words are welcome into my home (but i must add, please don't bring turqy along). Thank you and those others, who have made me welcome in your community. Have a nice day, you deserve it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong indeed. And happy to be so :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: When you said that I'd be gone in 24 hours, you were wrong again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Now comes Dan. Conditions, stipulatons, qualifications, if onlys. The world according to Dan, according to Dan, certainly would be a nearly ideal world. Dan knows whats best for FFL. It must be kindler, gentler. Dialog must be civil. There must be no sarcasm, or at least, very mild. Dan will know which is which. Dan to carry the banner. Dan is great in 08 I say he's gone in 24 hours. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I'll post the research, if you want to be openminded --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: --Right. Most succintly, there have been no clear testimonials of first hand GC (embracing Celestial/Glorified) levels of awareness; and how this is to be distinguished from CC. Also, the accounts of witnessing during sleep are suspiciously fleeting and sporadic. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: TM requires practice for the development of full benefits. Going from 'boat to boat' will not get the seeker to the other shore. I understand Fairfield has a few score people who qualify as fully enlightened. If that's true, how many woke up after abandoning TM for something else? I think there are signs that people are beginning to awaken in FF and other places and some are just having nice meditative experiences-- common ones which are often mistaken for Enlightenment. But I have not heard of anyone who meets the criteria of CC as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi described it, so I think your claim of full enlightenment is a tad premature. I'm talking about unity consciousness. I understood there were people in Fairfield claiming unity consciousness. That's what I'm asking to confirm, deny or elaborate upon. In many ways it seems a typical neoadvaita scene. Please elaborate - I don't get a mental image of what a neoadvaita scene would be, for all the use of that term here. It seems many of these people did begin to have good experiences after leaving the movement, some with other meditation techniques, some remaining with TM and/or the TMSP. Such may be the case, but I'm questioning whether there are people in Fairfield who reached enlightenment after switching paths. Dan Friedman says it isn't done, but I somehow got the impression it had been done.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
Post #51 - Turq suck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Not gonna happen. If you choose to continue embarrassing yourself (and, at the same time, TM and Maharishi), I am going to continue helping you to do so. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. Have you met Jim yet? The two of you would get along. :-) Have you ever consider the Hubris Factor of someone who considers himself so important as to believe that his actions can be equated to karma? Have you ever considered the possibility that, in addition to being a putz, you're a little insane? Besides, you'll be gone for the rest of this week and all of next week any moment now. The thing about insane people who believe that they are the instruments of holy karma is that they can rarely count to 50. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
Post # 52 Turq, a little disappointed with Life? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. That's 50. Bye- bye until Saturday, dan. Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal. I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming from the assembled throng, geez... On the other hand, Dan's a little refreshing and interesting to hear on this forum. It's been a long time since we've had a real TB (in the sense of TRUE BELIEVER, all caps) here. Even Nabby is Off The Program, and we all know it, and he's had his edges worn down over the years here, enough to even have developed a sense of humor and to be able to make a joke out of his recurring Get a checking. But the raw, unadorned, unaffected-by-reality TM True Believer mentality -- that is something else entirely. Someone who has gone for over 40 years without ever having a thought of his own, content with parroting what was told to him by someone wearing a white sheet, as if that cos- tume made him the Voice Of God. THAT is pretty interesting. And it's fascinating to me how Dan -- clueless newb that he is, and unaware of the HISTORY of FFL -- drops right in to the mold of the TB. 1. His first attempts at posting are to make pronouncements, as if they spring from a foun- tain of Eternal Truth and to try to suck attention. 2. His second reaction is to get angry when he doesn't GET that attention. 3. His third reaction, when Sal pokes a little fun at him for his Charleton Heston imitation, is to go ballistic and turn authoritarian, and try to have her moderated away. Can anything BE more TMO-like? Dan is obviously used to TM environments in which heresy is rewarded with banishment, and is hoping to implement that policy here. 4. He's got deficient hardware. It's like his brain contains not RAM but WOM (Write Only Memory). He *consistently* refuses to read anything that doesn't agree with his belief system or his overinflated view of himself. It's the classic fingers-in-the-ears I can't HEAR you...I can't HEAR you mentality of the TMO to a T. 5. Namecalling. The *moment* that someone treats him as less than Godlike (or even offers him some compassionate advice), he thinks up a dis- paraging name for them and throws it at them. 6. Delusions of grandeur. He talks openly about being the instrument of karma for those he is lashing out at, as if God has selected him to lay waste to their infidel asses, and he's on a noble mission. Instead of being a putz angry at being called on being a putz. So many more examples of the TB mentality, but I suspect that this is a good start at recog- nizing them. Drop-ins like Dan (he won't last) really ARE valuable on a forum like Fairfield Life, because they point out how far the folks we normally think of as TBs have come. After a few years here, they've had their rough edges polished away through interaction with people who don't buy their bullshit, and some are approaching balanced behavior and thought. But Dan? He's fresh out of the TM womb, man. He clearly has had little or no interaction with the real world in the time since he left Estes Park, and it shows. We can learn from this -- by seeing how we used to be, back in the dark ages of our own personal development, and by seeing personified in him the very things that drove us away from the TM madhouse, and drove us to seek sanity elsewhere. Dan's a true gift on a forum such as this one. The Newb so clueless that he doesn't even real- ize that he personifies The Worst about all the things he believes are The Best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
Turqd, Interesting, you as the Matchmaker. You do spend a lot of time discussing images of you taking out your penis around other men, but yet are offended by gays. Conflicted? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doncha think that Dan Friedman and Judy Stein would make a lovely couple? Judy's in New Jersey, and Dan's just a couple of bridges away, in Harlem. They could get it on and then lay in bed afterwards and (because cigarettes are tamassic, doncha know) extend their afterglow by logging onto the Internet and trashing someone they've never met. :-) Another thing they've got in common is lack of control. Judy blew out for the week in two days (Yahoo's search engine shows Judy at 52 for the week, including this post, not 50), and Dan man- aged to do the same thing in one day. So they've got compulsions in common, too. Not to *mention* the fact that Judy is so addicted to FFL that she's out there compulsively following each of the posts, even when she can't post. How many think that Dan is going to be doing the exact same thing the rest of this week and that, like Judy, he'll walk through the swingin' doors of the FFL Saloon next week with an even bigger chip on his shoulder and a shitload of anger in his gut that he has to aim at someone, anyone. A match made in heaven, I tell you... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I thought I'd had my 50, but according to Bhairitu's count, I've got one left. Barry's the lucky target, er, recipient. He claims Feste, Lawson, and I haven't changed our view of Knapp in the 10-plus years since we encountered him on on alt.m.t because *we* haven't changed, and therefore we can't see the positive changes in Knapp. Barry's forgotten something, though. About a year and a half ago, Knapp started the TMFree blog for disaffected former TMers to complain about TM; and he put up his own Family Counseling site to advertise his cult-counseling services, with a particular focus on former TMers. (Couldn't be any connection between the two, of course.) I've been checking the blog regularly; I even participated as a commenter in its first months. And I've browsed around Knapp's Family Counseling site. Reading one or the other or both gives you a *very* clear idea of where Knapp's head is at currently. There's no need to extrapolate from the thinking and behavior he demonstrated back on alt.m.t and Trancenet more than a decade previously. He hasn't changed. He's become more sophisticated in the way he trashes TM/the TMO/MMY, making extensive use of professional therapeutic jargon so as to sound more authoritative, but the substance is the same as it was over a decade ago. It's just as poisonously negative, and just as dishonestly presented. The Knapp Family Counseling site includes a page headed Why I Believe the Transcendental Meditation Org Is Dangerous. It has many links to articles on the revived Trancenet Web site, including to the notorious German study he pushed so assiduously back in the '90s on alt.m.t, despite being told by professional researchers-- including one who was a strong TM critic and another who was neutral--that the study was completely unscientific. (And no, for various reasons it's not even useful as anecdotal material; I may post on that next week.) As to the TMFree blog, if you think FFL is negative concerning TM/TMers/TMO/MMY, the views expressed here are benignly rosy compared to Knapp's blog, both in the posts and the comments thereon. Anyone who dares say anything positive about TM/TMO/MMY is attacked by the commenters with a ferocity that makes the pro-TMers' comments about TM critics on FFL look like gentle caresses. (I haven't been reading all the comments there, but it appears from what I have read that the few pro-TMers that participated in the beginning have been driven off. At one point when I was still commenting there, Knapp made a half-hearted attempt to dial down the former TMers' hostility, but he didn't bother to keep an eye on things, and nobody paid any attention.) Having delivered himself of this blooper about Knapp, Barry goes on to dig himself an even deeper hole by pointing proudly to Curtis as another example of a former TM critic who has become much milder and more benign. Sez Barry, They [meaning Feste, Lawson, and me] don't believe that it is *possible* for someone they disliked in the past to change in the present. Once they have developed their first impression of them, that impression is fixed, immutable. But we have no problem seeing the changes in Curtis. Barry inadvertently steps on his own point again, as he so often does when he's more anxious to bash TMers than to make sense. Their belief system, Barry proclaims, does
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
Please try to refain from discussing my genitalia during your masterbatory session. Remember i told you to be alone --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to? You're utterly clueless. There's nothing wrong with what you say; it's who's saying it. Non sequitur. You're wrong. I don't think I spend that much time defending the TMO. Better come up with some *real* lies if you want to make your point. You're wrong, probably more thoroughly than most here. Seems to be an enduring compulsion on the part of certain former-TMers-turned- TM-critics. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Non sequitur. What an odd question. You've already forgotten what you and I were talking about. Unfair and mendacious attacks on other people that cause *them* pain cause *me* pain. Some of us have known him electronically for many years and don't trust him any further than we could throw him, if he came within reach. I don't attack sincere, straightforward, relatively respectful people
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
Peter, My experience differred. I was welcomed in without appointment and asked to join meeting with MMY. Nothing funny for me, but it must have been a different day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I had little more than passing contact with TM, I visited Seelisberg (Sonnenberg Hotel) one day in 1980, and had a very interesting experience, to say the least, starting with armed guards at the entrance. The purpose of my visit was to see the music recording studio which was supposed to be a prototype of many such studions that were to9 be set up around the world, I'm not sure for what purpose. I would love to communicate with anyone who was involved around that time as I have many questions about what was going on. Peter -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2008 6:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 10693 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual From: TurquoiseB Message __ __ 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual Posted by: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] TurquoiseB Date: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 am ((PDT)) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Not gonna happen. If you choose to continue embarrassing yourself (and, at the same time, TM and Maharishi), I am going to continue helping you to do so. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. Have you met Jim yet? The two of you would get along. :-) Have you ever consider the Hubris Factor of someone who considers himself so important as to believe that his actions can be equated to karma? Have you ever considered the possibility that, in addition to being a putz, you're a little insane? Besides, you'll be gone for the rest of this week and all of next week any moment now. The thing about insane people who believe that they are the instruments of holy karma is that they can rarely count to 50. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL. Messages in this topic (22) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links -- --
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
And you be the boys who gather around turd's braggadiciao about oggling strangers in bars. Then you go home alone To fondle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: That's 50. Bye- bye until Saturday, dan. Sal Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal. I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming from the assembled throng, geez... Sal I'd be willing to bet even a few of the TB's were silently thinking douche-bag.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
The flooding in Iowa is the result of past actions of bad people. And you know who you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from a friend on Mother Divine: Are you wondering how all this flooding could be going on with so many Pandits? We are surprised at Natural Law. Definitely in the phase transition here. Hopefully lots of light very soon. But one thing the press has reported that as waters receeded in Cedar Rapids it left behind a toxic brew of farm pesticide, chemicals and toxic wastes. Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. (Bevan currently here.) By the way, I typed up some notes from the Global Family Chat on the 21st. Bevan spoke about upcoming Fourth of July celebration. Here ya go: On the June 21 Global Family Chat Bevan said he had been to Rudra Abhishek yagya in a special temple here in a deep, cave-like place, and how powerful it was. He said all the Pandits have digital cameras and video cameras now and all wanted pictures taken after the yagya which her really enjoyed. He said July 4th is a big celebration for the Pandits. He thought it was because it is the Fourth of July for America. But it turns out it is a special Vedic celebration that falls on that day. He said Maharishi told the Pandits they are not coming to America, they are coming to Vedic America and they should celebrate every Vedic Festival here. On Lord Jagannath's day, who Bevan said is a reality of Vishnu, the tradition is to build a chariot and pull it in Orissa. This year it falls on July 4. The Pandits made a cardboard `'mock- up of a chariot and it has now been made. They are going to pull it with ropes through the roads and fields of Iowa. He didn't elaborate where they would go, but this should be interesting. I believe we did see part of the chariot off to the side of the road, and it's really neat. Bevan also mentioned there are two new big buildings going up on the Pandit campus. Mother Divine has noticed this so it was nice of Bevan to clarify. One is a dining hall. Other he thinks is for yagyas. Someone told me it was announced today (June 23) it is a new rec center (that the one they have isn't big enough for all the Pandits), He also said he talked to Bill Goldstein who has made several trips to India to help the Pandits get their visas, and Bill said they have found another 100 Pandits with passports. So these 100 have moved from where ever they are to Delhi to get their visas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:35 PM, geezerfreak wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:25 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. That's 50. Bye- bye until Saturday, dan. Sal Thank god. You weren't the only one counting Sal. I thought I could hear a collective sigh of relief coming from the assembled throng, geez... Indeed !!! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
Neat story. There's a lot I can relate to here. Not so much the TM part, but more the owning up to past patterns of behavior, and tendencies, and working to bring them into balance. And I remember telling my cousin who I was close with, and who could sometimes was pretty shitty to me, that I apologize for any harm I might have caused him, just wanting to clear the air and my conscience. At some point, you just want to do that-apologize to anyone you may hurt or offended. It's kind of nice feeling. If I could apologize in person to the guy I called mole face, in seventh grade, I would do so. As it is, I apologize to him mentally anytime that memory comes up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, TurquoiseB, for your extremely kind words. I'll try to live up to them! Thanks, also for your story about Rachel. Yeah, I can see myself in that story -- both the hurtful side and the changed side. My journey toward change *began* in leaving TM. I sought out exit counseling from Janja Lalich and Margaret Singer in 1995-96. I offer them so many thanks. More than I can say. But in all honesty, their exit counseling had limited effect on me. It got me out of TM, and I did finally stay out of TM after 3 previous tries to leave it. But I remained one screwed up puppy. Not only did I remain enraged and acting out on AMT -- I even turned on these two people who tried to help me. I've apologized to Janja, who graciously accepted my attempt to make amends. Unfortunately, Margaret died before I could talk with her. That's a lesson I take to heart. I try to make amends now as soon as I can. Life's too short and unexpected to waste any time. When I really started to reflect on my shit was when I entered therapy. It may not be for everyone, but it definitely did some good for me. And, just as you surmise, professionally entering the helping professions in 1998 (as a personal aide to autistic and developmentally challenged people) really turned my head around. I haven't arrived. I still struggle mightily with nasty personal challenges, such as narcissism. And I still act out from time to time. But I believe I have the tools to reflect on my feelings, thoughts, actions, beliefs and make headway. I'll never be perfect. Perfection is a process, not a destination, to my way of thinking. But as I wrote recently: I'm busy becoming the man my teen-aged self would have been proud of. And, finally at age 55, I see light at the end of that particular tunnel. In that spirit, I offer the individuals and the community that I may have harmed in the past a sincere apology. If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance. Thanks again, TurquoiseB, for a chance to talk at some length on these matters. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase. You're pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe a word of it. This speaks to your limitations, feste, not John's. I had a good friend in the Rama trip who was a real ball-busting bitch. She had the rep of having made *every person* in the companies she worked with cry as a result of her heartless treatment of them. Then she caught a clue and bailed from the Rama trip and, over time, found that she needed something new in her life. So she went back to school and became a psychologist, and began to practice at it. I saw her again a few years later and the change in her was truly amazing. Almost all of the rough edges had been polished off of her; she was in danger of being a truly balanced and wonderful human being. She attributed the change (which she was more than aware of, too) to having forced herself into a position in which she *had* to become compassionate and caring, as part of her *job description*. Work- ing with people who had come to her for help had forced her to *put aside* her own samskaras and focus on helping them with theirs. I'm betting that you have never placed yourself in such a position, feste, and that neither has Lawson or Judy. It shows. I, for one, notice rather a change in the way that John handles himself lately, compared to how he used to. That shows, too. He refuses to be baited into replying angrily and with malice, even when taunted by those who clearly mean him harm. Like Curtis, he tries to find a middle way whereby he can remain true to his own beliefs while not discounting or (more important) discrediting the beliefs of others. In short, I see John as Having Made Progress. And at the same time, I see the on the program TMers here who are giving him a hard time as having made
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Post #51 - Turq suck Post # 52 Turq, a little disappointed with Life? It has been explained that there is a 50 post per week limit on FFL, and you are clearly flouting it. Well, you wanted more moderation on FFL, and you just got your wish: I suspended your posting privileges. I'll leave it up to Rick to decide when you should get them back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
A couple of years ago I was in a bookstore here in Ft. Lauderdale and I was looking at a book a few feet away from a woman with a young daughter. They were looking at a map of Switzerland, speaking in German. I kept on hearing the word, Seelisberg. So I started a conversation with her (in English) and discovered that she had grown-up in Seelisberg during the hayday of the TMO. She found it fascinating that I was a TMer and had spent time in Seelisberg. She said the towns people had positive feelings about Maharishi and the TMO. --- Peter Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I had little more than passing contact with TM, I visited Seelisberg (Sonnenberg Hotel) one day in 1980, and had a very interesting experience, to say the least, starting with armed guards at the entrance. The purpose of my visit was to see the music recording studio which was supposed to be a prototype of many such studions that were to9 be set up around the world, I'm not sure for what purpose. I would love to communicate with anyone who was involved around that time as I have many questions about what was going on. Peter -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2008 6:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 10693 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual From: TurquoiseB Message __ __ 1a. Re: The Terrorist Manual Posted by: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] TurquoiseB Date: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 am ((PDT)) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Not gonna happen. If you choose to continue embarrassing yourself (and, at the same time, TM and Maharishi), I am going to continue helping you to do so. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. Have you met Jim yet? The two of you would get along. :-) Have you ever consider the Hubris Factor of someone who considers himself so important as to believe that his actions can be equated to karma? Have you ever considered the possibility that, in addition to being a putz, you're a little insane? Besides, you'll be gone for the rest of this week and all of next week any moment now. The thing about insane people who believe that they are the instruments of holy karma is that they can rarely count to 50. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL. Messages in this topic (22) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
What's interesting to me about Knapp's story is why it took him four attempts to get out of the TM movement. He tried three times and failed and had to get two people to help him get out. I'm curious about this. Everyone I know who left the TM movement simply left it. No problem. If you no longer like the movement, you leave. What could be easier than that? And as for you Lurk, are you planning on apologizing for your habit of picking on newcomers here and insulting them? I bet not. It must be easier to think back to 7th grade and just pretend to apologize. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neat story. There's a lot I can relate to here. Not so much the TM part, but more the owning up to past patterns of behavior, and tendencies, and working to bring them into balance. And I remember telling my cousin who I was close with, and who could sometimes was pretty shitty to me, that I apologize for any harm I might have caused him, just wanting to clear the air and my conscience. At some point, you just want to do that-apologize to anyone you may hurt or offended. It's kind of nice feeling. If I could apologize in person to the guy I called mole face, in seventh grade, I would do so. As it is, I apologize to him mentally anytime that memory comes up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote: Thanks, TurquoiseB, for your extremely kind words. I'll try to live up to them! Thanks, also for your story about Rachel. Yeah, I can see myself in that story -- both the hurtful side and the changed side. My journey toward change *began* in leaving TM. I sought out exit counseling from Janja Lalich and Margaret Singer in 1995-96. I offer them so many thanks. More than I can say. But in all honesty, their exit counseling had limited effect on me. It got me out of TM, and I did finally stay out of TM after 3 previous tries to leave it. But I remained one screwed up puppy. Not only did I remain enraged and acting out on AMT -- I even turned on these two people who tried to help me. I've apologized to Janja, who graciously accepted my attempt to make amends. Unfortunately, Margaret died before I could talk with her. That's a lesson I take to heart. I try to make amends now as soon as I can. Life's too short and unexpected to waste any time. When I really started to reflect on my shit was when I entered therapy. It may not be for everyone, but it definitely did some good for me. And, just as you surmise, professionally entering the helping professions in 1998 (as a personal aide to autistic and developmentally challenged people) really turned my head around. I haven't arrived. I still struggle mightily with nasty personal challenges, such as narcissism. And I still act out from time to time. But I believe I have the tools to reflect on my feelings, thoughts, actions, beliefs and make headway. I'll never be perfect. Perfection is a process, not a destination, to my way of thinking. But as I wrote recently: I'm busy becoming the man my teen-aged self would have been proud of. And, finally at age 55, I see light at the end of that particular tunnel. In that spirit, I offer the individuals and the community that I may have harmed in the past a sincere apology. If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance. Thanks again, TurquoiseB, for a chance to talk at some length on these matters. J. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase. You're pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe a word of it. This speaks to your limitations, feste, not John's. I had a good friend in the Rama trip who was a real ball-busting bitch. She had the rep of having made *every person* in the companies she worked with cry as a result of her heartless treatment of them. Then she caught a clue and bailed from the Rama trip and, over time, found that she needed something new in her life. So she went back to school and became a psychologist, and began to practice at it. I saw her again a few years later and the change in her was truly amazing. Almost all of the rough edges had been polished off of her; she was in danger of being a truly balanced and wonderful human being. She attributed the change (which she was more than aware of, too) to having forced herself into a position in which she *had* to become compassionate and caring, as part of her *job description*. Work- ing with people who had come to her for help had forced her to *put aside* her own samskaras and focus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turqd, Interesting, you as the Matchmaker. You do spend a lot of time discussing images of you taking out your penis around other men, but yet are offended by gays. Conflicted? Hey Dan, Since you have clearly taken the path of intentionally going over the posting limit so that you can claim in the future that you were banned by Fairfield Life, and thus feel more self-important, I've got something to ask you before you go. You can probably squeeze the answer in before Rick cuts off your posting privileges. I've noticed in the short time you've been here that you seem to share many of the same characteristics as one of our other posters, Jim Flanegin (sandiego108). For example, you tend to get a tad carried away in retaliating verbally against people who (in the immortal words of Rodney Danger- field) don't give you no respect. You also seem to have a fondness for gay slurs. So my question has to do with what *else* you share with Sandi Ego. Do you consider yourself enlightened, like he does? I ask because of some of the phrasings you have used, such as feeling that you are the instrument of karma, and that when you lash out at someone, that is 100% deserved. Jim seems to feel similarly, and so I was wondering whether you're enlightened like he is. If so, welcome. On July 5th, after you've finished your one-week timeout for dis- playing a Jim-like inability to count, please come back and do as good a job of explaining what it's like to be enlightened to us as you have done being demonstrating what it's like to be a representative of TM and Maharishi. We'll be waiting with 'bated breath.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: If so, welcome. On July 5th, after you've finished your one-week timeout for dis- playing a Jim-like inability to count, please come back and do as good a job of explaining what it's like to be enlightened to us as you have done being demonstrating what it's like to be a representative of TM and Maharishi. When you're established in infinity, finite counting is just SO waking state. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
This is quite amusing, but I am disappointed not to have been given a role in either of these Westerns. I've always wanted to be in a movie, even a bad one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to? You're utterly clueless. There's nothing wrong with what you say; it's who's saying it. Non sequitur. You're wrong. I don't think I spend that much time defending the TMO. Better come up with some *real* lies if you want to make your point. You're wrong, probably more thoroughly than most here. Seems to be an enduring compulsion on the part of certain former-TMers-turned- TM-critics. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Non sequitur. What an odd question. You've already forgotten what you and I were talking about. Unfair and mendacious attacks on other people that cause *them* pain cause *me* pain. Some of us have known him electronically for many years and don't trust him any further than we could throw him, if he came within reach. I don't attack sincere,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Post #51 - Turq suck Post # 52 Turq, a little disappointed with Life? It has been explained that there is a 50 post per week limit on FFL, and you are clearly flouting it. Well, you wanted more moderation on FFL, and you just got your wish: I suspended your posting privileges. I'll leave it up to Rick to decide when you should get them back. I think it would be worth letting him back soon if only so Turq can gather enough material for The Newbie Western part 3.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is quite amusing, but I am disappointed not to have been given a role in either of these Westerns. I've always wanted to be in a movie, even a bad one. My sincere apologies. I promise to cast you in the plum role of Ash's possessed hand in my upcoming remake of the Who's laughing now? scene from Evil Dead II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzXk3nfEdMY It's a short part, but very important to the plotline. I believe that the original hand was nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar. And even when the hand itself is gone, Ash's need to replace it leads up to the pivotal Groovy scene later on in the same movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4PcOQYFAw :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to? You're utterly clueless. There's nothing wrong with what you say; it's who's saying it. Non sequitur. You're wrong. I
[FairfieldLife] Dan takes a breather, was: The Terrorist Manual
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:08 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Post #51 - Turq suck Post # 52 Turq, a little disappointed with Life? It has been explained that there is a 50 post per week limit on FFL, and you are clearly flouting it. Well, you wanted more moderation on FFL, and you just got your wish: I suspended your posting privileges. I'll leave it up to Rick to decide when you should get them back. I'll restore him in a week. Next time he does it, two weeks. A week from now I may be tied up with Amma's impending visit, so if you don't mind, please make a note to yourself to restore him if I don't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Turq's Story (Part 1)
Dan. Look like you'll fit right in here at FFL. --- danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting thing about expats; how they try to leave behind their failed life and start over in a new culture, hoping to hide their dysfunction behind 'cultural differences'. When that doesn't work, they adopt strong anti-American talk, hoping that their self-hatred will get Turqys accepted. Failing that, they take flight to the internet, spewing anti-American, anti-TM, racist, homophobic hatred. Now they have successfully attracted like demented minds. This A-hole writes me at home. Weak His wife didn't like his balls, so he showed them around the internet, but still didn't get thick. Some weakness in body and mind. So he acts out. Best regards to Turd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FairfieldLife] Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
I was just going to suggest that somebody create links to these in the links section when I discovered that Turq already had: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/links/Classic_FFL_Posts_00120732 3938/Humor_001208078882/ Muchas Gracias, Senor. (don't know how to make a tilde.) Rick Archer President SearchSummit http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us 1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=641-472-9336Email=r [EMAIL PROTECTED] 641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909v0=356483k0=1251699766v1=35648 4k1=804482755src=client_sig_212_1_card_joininvite=1 Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig Want a signature like this? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:12 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True indeed. GRACE (which is not a state) doesn't give a flying fig about spelling. You, MrFish-e-y, can be our dictionary, grammar check and all other publishing 'errors' that you can conjure. No need to bother the storks. To my mind your post(s) embody the New Age and that annoys me. It does so because they breathe with that New Age sense of private celebration; a kind of reverie necessitated by a world where everything's gone blazingly obvious. It's the tedious habit of conflating innocence with a lack of perception, where wandering terms assume enough authority to force personal responsibility into obsolescence. It is, again, the complete lack any identifiable criteria outside of one's private psychology that legitimate things like calls upon me to rearrange according to the needs on this planet. When you decry the absence of wakening, enlightenment and integration you do so not out of personal experience, but out a complete and total lack of imagination. No my dear, there's no need to bother the storks - I imagine in your world there's no need to bother anyone. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, My experience differred. I was welcomed in without appointment and asked to join meeting with MMY. Nothing funny for me, but it must have been a different day. What year was that? I think the armed guards would have been after mahesh's CIA paranoia started. then after his health crisis, which insiders feel was poisoning, the security really beefed up, esp relating to westerners.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: This from a friend on Mother Divine: Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. A ray of hope, perhaps one day he will admit to not knowing the mechanics of natures functioning at all and the TMO can stop pretending something ineffable has occured when it rains a bit harder than usual. Funny that the chief sponsor of all this coherence has his own petrochemical company. How AofE is that? Are they planning to phase it out in favour of solar power anytime soon? To be fair, I think settle's money comes primarily from natural gas, which burns cleaner than other fossil fuels. The mov't's other big donors right now, harris kaplan and steve rubin, are also energy guys. It is interesting - US banks are getting their much needed fix of new cash/equity from various sheiks and mideast sovereign wealth funds; the top real estate in london is getting bought up by russian oil mafiosos; everyone in the world who needs money is looking to the newly created immense fossil fuel wealth to get it, and even the TMO is now relying on it to fund their main project.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?
Somebody needs some more dolphin-heart-crystal-love in his earth walking today. -Peter True-Speak Akasha --- mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True indeed. GRACE (which is not a state) doesn't give a flying fig about spelling. You, MrFish-e-y, can be our dictionary, grammar check and all other publishing 'errors' that you can conjure. No need to bother the storks. To my mind your post(s) embody the New Age and that annoys me. It does so because they breathe with that New Age sense of private celebration; a kind of reverie necessitated by a world where everything's gone blazingly obvious. It's the tedious habit of conflating innocence with a lack of perception, where wandering terms assume enough authority to force personal responsibility into obsolescence. It is, again, the complete lack any identifiable criteria outside of one's private psychology that legitimate things like calls upon me to rearrange according to the needs on this planet. When you decry the absence of wakening, enlightenment and integration you do so not out of personal experience, but out a complete and total lack of imagination. No my dear, there's no need to bother the storks - I imagine in your world there's no need to bother anyone. --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
Which one is the wife? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to? You're utterly clueless. There's nothing wrong with what you say; it's who's saying it. Non sequitur. You're wrong. I don't think I spend that much time defending the TMO. Better come up with some *real* lies if you want to make your point. You're wrong, probably more thoroughly than most here. Seems to be an enduring compulsion on the part of certain former-TMers-turned- TM-critics. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Non sequitur. What an odd question. You've already forgotten what you and I were talking about. Unfair and mendacious attacks on other people that cause *them* pain cause *me* pain. Some of us have known him electronically for many years and don't trust him any further than we could throw him, if he came within reach. I don't attack sincere, straightforward, relatively respectful people with disparaging labels. Non sequitur. Maybe you should try some different pharmaceuticals,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
TurquoiseB wrote: Another thing they've got in common is lack of control. Judy blew out for the week in two days (Yahoo's search engine shows Judy at 52 for the week, including this post, not 50), and Dan man- aged to do the same thing in one day. So they've got compulsions in common, too. Yahoos search count seems to be based on when they post to the web site not the actual time stamps in the message headers which is what my program reads. So unless I wasn't sent one or two of Judy's messages the count from email was 50. On the web site, logged out so I got UTC post times it showed 51 with the search which is 1 different from my count and 1 from yours. I look at the time stamps for when the email was sent to Yahoo not when it was finally posted. If Yahoo has a glitch a message could get posted there much later than it was sent and we've certainly seen that happen a number of times. :D I may do a check later today against the web search to see if I didn't receive a message she posted. Otherwise we're close enough for jazz. :D
[FairfieldLife] The Family - most anti-democratic powerful grouphugel influences US government
The Family report on NPR http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/ Go to npr.prg, the Diane Rehm show 11:00 Jeff Sharlet: The Family (Harper) It's one of the most influential and least well known organizations in the country. The Family, also known as The Fellowship, consider themselves followers of Christ, and individuals responsible for changing the the world. An inside look at the power and history of The Family.
[FairfieldLife] TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource The Enlightened Sentencing Project is listed on the following Government website, as one of the alternative sentencing programs that it approves and recommends! Look under St Louis and St Louis County when the webpage loads: http://www.mosac.mo.gov/Local_ASR.htm The Missouri Sentencing Advisory Commission has this website up with its recommendations for sentencing and it is reviewed every two years. The chairman of this Commission, interestingly, is our own student and dear friend, immediate past Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Missouri, Hon. Justice Michael A. Wolff. This would not have been possible without the generous support of friends of TESP like you over the years. Your support helped make it possible for the gates of rehabilitation to let in the full sunshine of enlightenment for offenders and their families, and for a whole lost and forgotten community. When the sun shines on the TESP graduates, may it all be reflected to you and magnified a thousand times in blessings on you! With best wishes, Farrokh Ruffina Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria Directors The Enlightened Sentencing Project TESP Administrative Office 202 Tiffin Ave Ferguson, MO 63135 Tel: 314 521 4396 Fax: 636 352 0292 Visit our website: www.tesp.org http://www.tesp.org/ or www.EnlightenedSentencing.org http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening yesterday afternoon and probably would have been better off it I had bought a ticket to The Hulk instead. The bad reviews The Happening has been getting are indeed deserved. This was IMO the worst of his films so far. As a friend who gave me a pirated version said, I feel bad giving this to you. If shit got this film on it, shit would wipe it off. He was correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource I know this Farroukh fellow from prisions in the Phillipines around 1984, sincere fellow at the time. Apparently he did not get the backing for projects from International he sought. But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang everywhere
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand cynicism. However, I hope not everyone throws out the baby with the bathwater. There is a role played by fully awakened ones that is in absolute integrity and freedom. The cynicism I hear is from an accumulation of comments about satsang teachers, in other forums also. There's been a great deal of disappointment in some people, justified or not. My encouragement is to discriminate, not dismiss the whole phenomenon. We see as we expect to see. We receive as we give. By grace alone do we see beyond our projections and receive beyond our limitations. There's always the opportunity for discrimination, which is not on appearance of anything but on how it touches us from and into truth. I would call a successful satsang one where people break through into Self. They return because there are still mind habits to be released/transformed. There is deepening, and there is your own silence and shakti to be drawn on by the next batch coming along. Are you another self-appointed 'enlightened guy'?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource I know this Farroukh fellow from prisions in the Phillipines around 1984, sincere fellow at the time. Apparently he did not get the backing for projects from International he sought. But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed ! As I understand it, he has a sincere desire to help prisoners, and couldn't continue doing it within the TMO because it: . Is weird . Charges too much So he set up his own thing. He was treated very respectfully when he visited Maharishi's memorial shrine in India recently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
-I missed something. What's the news? Jerry J. is a big supporter of this guy. They want 100 million for their prison project. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource I know this Farroukh fellow from prisions in the Phillipines around 1984, sincere fellow at the time. Apparently he did not get the backing for projects from International he sought. But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed ! As I understand it, he has a sincere desire to help prisoners, and couldn't continue doing it within the TMO because it: . Is weird . Charges too much So he set up his own thing. He was treated very respectfully when he visited Maharishi's memorial shrine in India recently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NASA warming scientist: 'This is the last chance'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excerpt from : http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCI_WARMING_SCIENTIST? SITE=OHCIN\ SECTION=AMERICASTEMPLATE=DEFAULT James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world has long passed the dangerous level for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea level rises. We're toast if we don't get on a very different path, Hansen, director of the Goddard Institute of Space Sciences who is sometimes called the godfather of global warming science, told The Associated Press. This is the last chance. . A pastor was giving his weekly sermon to his flock one Sunday morning He was reading the sermon off of a sheet of notes he had prepared. In the margins of the notes next to a particular part of the sermon, he had scribbled: weak point, speak louder. The more global warming is debunked -- the whole enchilada is pretty much all debunked at this point -- the more that fear-mongers like Al Gore and this Hansen character tell us that doom is right around the corner. Anyone want to take bets that the sea isn't going to rise one inch this year and that Manhatten is not going to be under 10 feet of water by 2015?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Life in Fairfield?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave him an Angel who carries compassion karma. Let's see what unfolds. ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Somebody needs some more dolphin-heart-crystal-love in his earth walking today. -Peter True-Speak Akasha -- You know, I do feel different. Happened around 1:15 today. --
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Family - most anti-democratic powerful grouphugel influences US govern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Family report on NPR http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/ Go to npr.prg, the Diane Rehm show 11:00 Jeff Sharlet: The Family (Harper) It's one of the most influential and least well known organizations in the country. The Family, also known as The Fellowship, consider themselves followers of Christ, and individuals responsible for changing the the world. An inside look at the power and history of The Family. Just read this book. Of course their view of changing the US is to make it a christian rather than secular govt. They've adopted the strategy that saying and doing anything is okay to ultimately get what they want so they don't all go around talking like the standard right wing christian. Plus they're incredible connected around the world. Inhofe from oklahoma, whom I think shemp likes to quote for thinking global warming is a hoax, is one their main guys in the senate right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newbie Western II: Dan And Judy Get Hitched
Bravo! Can't wait to see the movie. (I assume the horse snorts, belly laughs and guffaws from Judy will get dubbed in later during post.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ The set is the town square, which is filled with people partying down and dancing to the sounds of ZZ Top (dressed as they were in a similar scene in Back To The Future Part III). Everyone is having a great time, the soma is flowing, and in the distance you can hear the gentle lowing of Vedic cows. Then two people, pushing dancers and merrymakers out of their way as they make their way through the crowd, climb the stairs, grab the ZZ Top guys by the beards and throw them off the stage, and then take over the twin microphones and begin to address the crowd. ] Judy: Shut up and listen out there, people. Dan and I have something to say to you. Dan: Yeah, shut up and listen. Dan and I have some- thing to say to you. Judy [under her breath]: Dan, how many times have I warned you about that parrot thing...you're supposed to say Judy and I have something to say to you. Haven't you got a mind of your own? [to the crowd] Yeah, Dan and I have something to say. We are hereby turning this party into a wedding celebration for the two of us -- we just got married. [Total silence. A few people take advantage of the quiet to go back to the Soma Bar for a refill. As if she didn't notice, Judy continues...] Judy: Yes, Dan and I got hitched. Can't you tell by our clothes? [ The bride wears a white Muu Muu designed by Kathie Lee Gifford for K-Mart; the groom is wearing an ill- fitting cream-colored suit, also from K-Mart, with a smashing American flag pin in one lapel and a gold locket that says M says around his neck, hanging over his Don't talk to me about terrorism or I'll kill you necktie. ] Dan: Yeah, can't you tell by our clothes? Judy: We've decided to take over your celebration and turn it into a wedding reception for us, because, well...we deserve a celebration and you don't, and because we didn't really have any friends of our own to invite to one, so you'll have to do. Dan: Yeah, you'll have to do. Judy: We know that you're all anxious to hear about the wedding itself [groans from the crowd], so we'll tell you a little about it. It was a simple ceremony in the Vedic style -- we slaughtered a horse, gave offerings to the gods, and waved enough camphor around to start a range fire. Dan [to Judy]: It *was* funny when the preacher caught on fire, wasn't it? Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: Shut up, Dan. Anyway, we didn't exchange vows or anything bourgeois like that. We're far too evolved for such nonsense. We just signed the proper prenups (I now am legal owner of everything Dan has ever earned or bought in his life) and waved the camphor and kissed once -- chastely -- and then came here, for the REAL ceremony. Dan: Yeah, REAL. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy [aside]: Shut up, Dan, and get out your script. (to the crowd] What we're going to do instead of exchanging vows and celebrating our happiness is to read aloud a list of YOUR faults and do our best to make you miserable. Dan: We are the postmen...oh, sorry, Judy...the post- persons of your karma! Judy: Yes, we are going to do you all an enormous karmic favor by interrupting your ongoing festivities to tell you EXACTLY what we think of you, in the hopes that some- day you might be able to change, and to become as highly evolved and as perfect as we are. Dan: Perfect. Heh heh. Heh heh heh. Heh. Judy: So here goes. Instead of 'exchanging vows,' we are going to 'exchange rants.' Each of us will read a short prose poem composed of the things that we -- as highly evolved beings -- think of you -- the scum. [irritated] Dan, get your FUCKING script out, will you?! You don't want me to have to use the genital cuff on you again tonight, do you? Dan: Got my script right here, darling. Heh heh. Heh. Judy: I'll start. ** My name is Judy. Did you really think nobody would know who you were referring to? You're utterly clueless. There's nothing wrong with what you say; it's who's saying it. Non sequitur. You're wrong. I don't think I spend that much time defending the TMO. Better come up with some *real* lies if you want to make your point. You're wrong, probably more thoroughly than most here. Seems to be an enduring compulsion on the part of certain former-TMers-turned- TM-critics. You're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Non sequitur. What an odd question. You've already forgotten what you and I were talking about. Unfair and mendacious attacks on other people that cause *them* pain cause *me* pain. Some of us have known him electronically for many years and don't trust him any further than we could throw him, if he came within reach. I don't attack sincere, straightforward, relatively
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Peter, My experience differred. I was welcomed in without appointment and asked to join meeting with MMY. Nothing funny for me, but it must have been a different day. What year was that? 1976 - two armed armericans caught on and before the Kulm - Sonnenberg bridge. Securiy beefed up after that with unlimited power to the WYMS as a result. Again americans causing havoc. Same year; the CIA blows up Maharishis two renovated DC 3's stationed in Germany. Again americans causing havoc here, there and everywhere. Again and again the americans tried to get to Him. But Maharishi simply did not show up, and the pilots got an anonyous call to leave the airstrip ASAP. It saved their lives. Invincibility in daily life :-) These days they complain that nature is cruel to them; floods and fires. Fairfield is protected as always. Probably they will not learn unless they are taught some very serious lessons and beg for mercy. They are a stubborn and violent race.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Not Happening Happening
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening yesterday afternoon and probably would have been better off it I had bought a ticket to The Hulk instead. The bad reviews The Happening has been getting are indeed deserved. This was IMO the worst of his films so far. As a friend who gave me a pirated version said, I feel bad giving this to you. If shit got this film on it, shit would wipe it off. He was correct. :D I don't know what's happened to the guy. The film was stiff like a really bad B-movie. I've seen very amateur films that were more entertaining and more suspenseful. Today, I picked up In Bruges and Persopolis the latter in BluRay.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Family - most anti-democratic powerful grouphugel influences US govern
boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Family report on NPR http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/ Go to npr.prg, the Diane Rehm show 11:00 Jeff Sharlet: The Family (Harper) It's one of the most influential and least well known organizations in the country. The Family, also known as The Fellowship, consider themselves followers of Christ, and individuals responsible for changing the the world. An inside look at the power and history of The Family. Just read this book. Of course their view of changing the US is to make it a christian rather than secular govt. They've adopted the strategy that saying and doing anything is okay to ultimately get what they want so they don't all go around talking like the standard right wing christian. Plus they're incredible connected around the world. Inhofe from oklahoma, whom I think shemp likes to quote for thinking global warming is a hoax, is one their main guys in the senate right now. That would be like in The Handmaid's Tale. I don't think it would float in the US. Most people here think the religious right is a joke. I would say that such a movement is just the last gasps of a dying religion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of years ago I was in a bookstore here in Ft. Lauderdale and I was looking at a book a few feet away from a woman with a young daughter. They were looking at a map of Switzerland, speaking in German. I kept on hearing the word, Seelisberg. So I started a conversation with her (in English) and discovered that she had grown-up in Seelisberg during the hayday of the TMO. She found it fascinating that I was a TMer and had spent time in Seelisberg. She said the towns people had positive feelings about Maharishi and the TMO. Thats true. Growing up there she must have appreciated the Swiss love for children and nature. And of course; their respect for Maharishi.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980 These days they complain that nature is cruel to them; floods and fires. Fairfield is protected as always. Yeah, no rivers here to flood. Probably they will not learn unless they are taught some very serious lessons and beg for mercy. MERCY!!! PLEASE!!! They are a stubborn and violent race. Neanderthals, basically.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
Kenny H wrote: This from a friend on Mother Divine: Are you wondering how all this flooding could be going on with so many Pandits? We are surprised at Natural Law. Definitely in the phase transition here. Hopefully lots of light very soon. But one thing the press has reported that as waters receeded in Cedar Rapids it left behind a toxic brew of farm pesticide, chemicals and toxic wastes. Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. (Bevan currently here.) I can't see how a bunch of guys chanting Sanskrit is going to have much of any effect other than getting those guys high and maybe a little better atmosphere very close to where they live. Unless one believes the deities micromanage there is going to be little effect. I wonder what Bevan would say if the Sun suddenly belched a solar flare and the earth was in the path of it. He probably wouldn't say anything since he and everything else on this planet would be burnt to toast. Such are the laws of nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg in 1980 These days they complain that nature is cruel to them; floods and fires. Fairfield is protected as always. Yeah, no rivers here to flood. Probably they will not learn unless they are taught some very serious lessons and beg for mercy. MERCY!!! PLEASE!!! They are a stubborn and violent race. Neanderthals, basically. Did the Neanderthals burn, kill, rape, torture and invade ?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff) I wonder what Bevan would say if the Sun suddenly belched a solar flare and the earth was in the path of it. He probably wouldn't say anything since he and everything else on this planet would be burnt to toast. Such are the laws of nature. Do solar flares come out this far?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
Bhairitu wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Another thing they've got in common is lack of control. Judy blew out for the week in two days (Yahoo's search engine shows Judy at 52 for the week, including this post, not 50), and Dan man- aged to do the same thing in one day. So they've got compulsions in common, too. Yahoos search count seems to be based on when they post to the web site not the actual time stamps in the message headers which is what my program reads. So unless I wasn't sent one or two of Judy's messages the count from email was 50. On the web site, logged out so I got UTC post times it showed 51 with the search which is 1 different from my count and 1 from yours. I look at the time stamps for when the email was sent to Yahoo not when it was finally posted. If Yahoo has a glitch a message could get posted there much later than it was sent and we've certainly seen that happen a number of times. :D I may do a check later today against the web search to see if I didn't receive a message she posted. Otherwise we're close enough for jazz. :D By comparing against my FFL email folder and the search on the web site I found 1 post of Judy's that was posted to the web site hours later than it was sent out via email. Judy's last post where she thought she already had 50 doesn't show up on the web search though it apparently does on Turqs. So there is some inconsistency between the web and email, the web sometimes delaying a post. Most people stay way under the limit so it is not a big deal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he set up his own thing. He is simply one of the many wampires trying to capitalize on the knowledge brought forward by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff) I wonder what Bevan would say if the Sun suddenly belched a solar flare and the earth was in the path of it. He probably wouldn't say anything since he and everything else on this planet would be burnt to toast. Such are the laws of nature. Do solar flares come out this far? Apparently yes. The x-rays take minutes and the flares a few days. We may not have any known history of a big one actually hitting the earth. Of course there might be a reason for that. ;-) It would indeed be an unfortunate coincidence if the earth were in the path of a big one. Most probably just go off into space not hitting any planets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Is weird One fine day Rich Archer will wake up, go to mirror and proclaim exactly the same thing about what he sees in the mirror.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed ! You are well out of order on this one. Go back through the history of this news group and you'll see what the real situation is. Ask people who know, read your old TM literature. Farouk spent many years working closely with Judges, Prison officials and government to get people to learn TM. He spent a lot of effort overcoming the court cases against TM, he got academics keen on TM as a means to rehabilitation. He did much much more than anyone here and anyone at MUM to bring TM to the public in areas where it makes a very big difference. And you know what happened to him? Bevan ordered one of his henchmen, Michael Dilbeck, to have him excommunicated because he hadn't done the recertification course and they didn't want him to be at a meeting on prisoner rehabilitation. The professional people he worked so hard with were disgusted, as all right thinking people should be, so they carried on working with him. And what is he to do? He's given his whole life to Maharishi's movement, he's run projects in prisons all over the world, it is his profession, how is he to make a living? He did the obvious thing, the TMO has become so odious that it's like it's been taken over by aliens, so he carried on teaching TM as taught by Maharishi because that is his profession. The people he'd built up good relations with over decades carried on working with him and turned their backs on the official movement because they know a mafia-lite organization when they see one. I'm sure he'd love to rejoin the movement if it ever gets rid of the aliens and becomes a human organization again. He'd be a damm sight bigger asset to the movement than you. An important sign that the movement is genuinely able to be rehabilitated and demonstrating that it's ready to rejoin normal human society would be to reverse the decision to excommunicate Farouk.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So he set up his own thing. He is simply one of the many wampires trying to capitalize on the knowledge brought forward by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. If you're going to say that then you've got to say that Maharishi was a wampire capitalizing on his predecessors.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Is weird One fine day Rich Archer will wake up, go to mirror and proclaim exactly the same thing about what he sees in the mirror. Hey, I do that every morning. I say, Good Morning, weirdo, give the mirror a kiss, and grab my toothbrush.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Nablusoss1008, your accusations re this Farroukh fellow are nearly the exact same accusations made re Maharishi by some of Guru Dev's followers who saw in his mission and movement merely him cashing in on what he learned for free from Guru Dev. The Enlightened Sentencing Project appears to be a truly altruistic program and your earlier impressions of Farroukh are likely more correct than your current jaundiced view of his motives. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Dear Friends: We are extremely delighted to share the following news with you. (Some of you may have heard from us directly yesterday, please forgive the duplication.) TESP listed in Missouri Government website as recommended resource I know this Farroukh fellow from prisions in the Phillipines around 1984, sincere fellow at the time. Apparently he did not get the backing for projects from International he sought. But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:39 PM, guyfawkes91 wrote: But what now, stealing everything he received from the greatest Master he ever met to make a hollow living ? How tragic ! Simultanously, some are asking the big why are the americans hit by drought, fires and floods; the result of collective thinking and greed ! You are well out of order on this one. Go back through the history of this news group and you'll see what the real situation is. Ask people who know, read your old TM literature. Farouk spent many years working closely with Judges, Prison officials and government to get people to learn TM. He spent a lot of effort overcoming the court cases against TM, he got academics keen on TM as a means to rehabilitation. He did much much more than anyone here and anyone at MUM to bring TM to the public in areas where it makes a very big difference. And you know what happened to him? Bevan ordered one of his henchmen, Michael Dilbeck, to have him excommunicated because he hadn't done the recertification course and they didn't want him to be at a meeting on prisoner rehabilitation. The professional people he worked so hard with were disgusted, as all right thinking people should be, so they carried on working with him. And what is he to do? He's given his whole life to Maharishi's movement, he's run projects in prisons all over the world, it is his profession, how is he to make a living? He did the obvious thing, the TMO has become so odious that it's like it's been taken over by aliens, so he carried on teaching TM as taught by Maharishi because that is his profession. The people he'd built up good relations with over decades carried on working with him and turned their backs on the official movement because they know a mafia-lite organization when they see one. I'm sure he'd love to rejoin the movement if it ever gets rid of the aliens and becomes a human organization again. He'd be a damm sight bigger asset to the movement than you. An important sign that the movement is genuinely able to be rehabilitated and demonstrating that it's ready to rejoin normal human society would be to reverse the decision to excommunicate Farouk. That's great--as long as they aren't charging anything--and these people don't have side effects from the wanton giving of mantras to prisoners. That's the last thing the world needs, unstressing and mood-making prisoners. If they are charging, the department of corrections would be better off with a non-sectarian form of meditation--Mindfulness or something similar. They have proven track records in even the worst prisons in India (as portrayed in the movie Doing Time, Doing Vipassana). A friend who's done hard core prison work for years refers to the TM teachers in prisons he's met as New Age salesmen. The vibe I get from Farouk is that he is sincere in what he's doing, but unfortunately like 99.9% of TM teachers, very naive on meditation and mantra. It's really a form of proselytizing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: --You're not making sense. If there's no me then who/whom is to be Awakened? Classic neoadvaita false View: ignore the Relative.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dan takes a breather, was: The Terrorist Manual
On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I’ll restore him in a week. Next time he does it, two weeks. A week from now I may be tied up with Amma’s impending visit, so if you don’t mind, please make a note to yourself to restore him if I don’t. Any way either of you can restore him to a little sanity? This guy is clearly a fruit loop if ever there was one. Anything would be an improvement...although I have to admit I've found the whole scene more than a little entertaining. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure he'd love to rejoin the movement if it ever gets rid of the aliens and becomes a human organization again. He'd be a damm sight bigger asset to the movement than you. Rubbish ! I know Farouk better than you, he is an honourble person in the sense that he is innoscent, well-meaning, intelligent, hardworking; a laywer by birth and birth so to speak. Trouble is he does not understand how the Movement works, the underlying principle. Nor does Jarry Jarvis. The rectification thing came much later than his breaking off. You answered the question yourself by: how is he to make a living. Anyone thinking he can make a living off the knowledge given so generously by Maharishi is already off. It is not possible. The TMO is for Tapas and Tapas alone. There is no room for making a living off the Knowledge, never was, never will be. Those that cling to that notion will be fewer and fewer as time passes by. Already we see a new generation, often born into the families of meditators, that take these timeless priciples of the Masters of Wisdom for granted. The channels now are now open, since this morning, for more evolved souls to be born on earth. - Maharishi, 1977
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
---The basic underlying idea (this concept began early on in the Movement - thanks in large part to MMY and Jerry); is that big bucks (say 100 mil); would be sufficient to jump start the prison project (and other projects - peace palaces, pundits, etc). But MMY already acquired the 100 mil a few years back and that hasn't been accounted for. Bad karma, I'd say! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I'm sure he'd love to rejoin the movement if it ever gets rid of the aliens and becomes a human organization again. He'd be a damm sight bigger asset to the movement than you. Rubbish ! I know Farouk better than you, he is an honourble person in the sense that he is innoscent, well-meaning, intelligent, hardworking; a laywer by birth and birth so to speak. Trouble is he does not understand how the Movement works, the underlying principle. Nor does Jarry Jarvis. The rectification thing came much later than his breaking off. You answered the question yourself by: how is he to make a living. Anyone thinking he can make a living off the knowledge given so generously by Maharishi is already off. It is not possible. The TMO is for Tapas and Tapas alone. There is no room for making a living off the Knowledge, never was, never will be. Those that cling to that notion will be fewer and fewer as time passes by. Already we see a new generation, often born into the families of meditators, that take these timeless priciples of the Masters of Wisdom for granted. The channels now are now open, since this morning, for more evolved souls to be born on earth. - Maharishi, 1977
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: . Is weird One fine day Rich Archer will wake up, go to mirror and proclaim exactly the same thing about what he sees in the mirror. Hey, I do that every morning. I say, Good Morning, weirdo, give the mirror a kiss, and grab my toothbrush. Then he walks the dog and gets a hug from his new Guru. Wonderful; pass the butter please...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I'm sure he'd love to rejoin the movement if it ever gets rid of the aliens and becomes a human organization again. He'd be a damm sight bigger asset to the movement than you. Rubbish ! I know Farouk better than you, he is an honourble person in the sense that he is innoscent, well-meaning, intelligent, hardworking; a laywer by birth and birth so to speak. Trouble is he does not understand how the Movement works, the underlying principle. Nor does Jarry Jarvis. The rectification thing came much later than his breaking off. You answered the question yourself by: how is he to make a living. Anyone thinking he can make a living off the knowledge given so generously by Maharishi is already off. It is not possible. The TMO is for Tapas and Tapas alone. There is no room for making a living off the Knowledge, never was, never will be. Actually I believe that some of the recertified TM teachers in NYC are making a living. They are paid about $48,000 a year. They benefit from the David Lynch sponsored instruction numbers as well as being in a big city. Their initiation numbers qualify them for the promised $4,000 per month. Not sure if the work is really full-time. I assume there are not health insurance benefits or pension plans, so to live in NYC on that kind of salary without benefits is not really making a living. But a devoted, healthy person with some parental or spouse support could do this. Those that cling to that notion will be fewer and fewer as time passes by. Already we see a new generation, often born into the families of meditators, that take these timeless priciples of the Masters of Wisdom for granted. The channels now are now open, since this morning, for more evolved souls to be born on earth. - Maharishi, 1977
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---The basic underlying idea (this concept began early on in the Movement - thanks in large part to MMY and Jerry); is that big bucks (say 100 mil); would be sufficient to jump start the prison project (and other projects - peace palaces, pundits, etc). But MMY already acquired the 100 mil a few years back and that hasn't been accounted for. Bad karma, I'd say! With all this thinking about dollars and money, money, I assume you are an american ? I wish you luck, but I can assure you that you are on a wrong track. There is probably no worse karma these days than being born an american. Maharishi tried to eliviate you from this curse coming to your country in 1959; I pray His efforts was not in vain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
FFL immutable laws of nature. 1) Bhairitu will be summoned whenever the subject of 9-11 conspiricies come up. 2) Shemp will appear within one post when the subject of Rama and leviatation comes up. (this may also apply to Vaj) There are many more, but these are two I have found to never vary. They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down? I don't recall that at all. The passport was most likely a plant. But then I guess you would prefer the *blue* pill. :-D curtisdeltablues wrote: They found all sorts of stuff including living people when the buildings went down and they combed over every piece to identify the bodies. It doesn't surprise me that they found a passport. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: One of the things I found most fascinating in the days following the attack on the WTC was the dis- covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of a terrorist manual he had on his possession and read from in the days leading up to the event. Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by plane fuel to dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact? Don't forget they also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape. Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no Curtis that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood. It's the ones in the shadows. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
Oh yea. And Lyoto Machida Rules!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFL immutable laws of nature. 1) Bhairitu will be summoned whenever the subject of 9-11 conspiricies come up. 2) Shemp will appear within one post when the subject of Rama and leviatation comes up. (this may also apply to Vaj) There are many more, but these are two I have found to never vary. They found living people in the rubble *after* they came down? I don't recall that at all. The passport was most likely a plant. But then I guess you would prefer the *blue* pill. :-D curtisdeltablues wrote: They found all sorts of stuff including living people when the buildings went down and they combed over every piece to identify the bodies. It doesn't surprise me that they found a passport. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: One of the things I found most fascinating in the days following the attack on the WTC was the dis- covery, in the baggage of one of the hijackers, of a terrorist manual he had on his possession and read from in the days leading up to the event. Now isn't it amazing with the buildings vaporized by plane fuel to dust that a terrorist's baggage remained in tact? Don't forget they also found a passport belonging to a terrorist too in fine shape. Smacks of propaganda who really planned and executed 9-11 and no Curtis that's not the dimwits you see in your neighborhood. It's the ones in the shadows. ;-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! Anyone thinking he can make a living off the knowledge given so generously by Maharishi is already off. It is not possible. The TMO is for Tapas and Tapas alone. There is no room for making a living off the Knowledge, never was, never will be. Maharishi made a pretty good living. Never ran out of clean silk sheets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
Awesome! Nablusus provides a rock in the middle of the thrashing ocean for Dan to rest on for a second, before he starts up his frenzied, I'm going crazy posting. He's shooting in every directions. He's shooting shadows, he's shooting anything that moves. He shoots left, right, behind his back, under his leg, spins around twirls his six shooters and then fires again. He is having an endorphin high. Dan, I think this is the best time you've had in about 20 years. Do not meditate right now Dan. Just give yourself some time to come down from this high. You've just found Jesus. Savor it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss, Thank you for the compassionate and decent reminder. I'm just keeping up my end of the discussion with Turq, until he joins the bilateral agreement not to post each other. Until then, I will continue to deliver his karma to him in increasingly Turqish packages. It's ugly, but 100% deserved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Turq, You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. I was in the WTC. You suck Don't worry about this Turq fool, he's a bully, the Mugabe of FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Actually I believe that some of the recertified TM teachers in NYC are making a living. They are paid about $48,000 a year. They benefit from the David Lynch sponsored instruction numbers as well as being in a big city. Their initiation numbers qualify them for the promised $4,000 per month. Not sure if the work is really full-time. I assume there are not health insurance benefits or pension plans, so to live in NYC on that kind of salary without benefits is not really making a living. But a devoted, healthy person with some parental or spouse support could do this. This is good news since the royalty is freely given by nature thanks to David Lynch. They certainly should enjoy being paid. When a Governor is given his rightly payment of 1 million dollars a year or more, this is a good thing. But when and if he demands anything, even a penny, like Farouk and others did, their demands are worth nothing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Analyzing the TM belief system: People can't change
Good post. Glad you chimed in. Reality check has always been one of your great contributions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd had my 50, but according to Bhairitu's count, I've got one left. Barry's the lucky target, er, recipient. He claims Feste, Lawson, and I haven't changed our view of Knapp in the 10-plus years since we encountered him on on alt.m.t because *we* haven't changed, and therefore we can't see the positive changes in Knapp. Barry's forgotten something, though. About a year and a half ago, Knapp started the TMFree blog for disaffected former TMers to complain about TM; and he put up his own Family Counseling site to advertise his cult-counseling services, with a particular focus on former TMers. (Couldn't be any connection between the two, of course.) I've been checking the blog regularly; I even participated as a commenter in its first months. And I've browsed around Knapp's Family Counseling site. Reading one or the other or both gives you a *very* clear idea of where Knapp's head is at currently. There's no need to extrapolate from the thinking and behavior he demonstrated back on alt.m.t and Trancenet more than a decade previously. He hasn't changed. He's become more sophisticated in the way he trashes TM/the TMO/MMY, making extensive use of professional therapeutic jargon so as to sound more authoritative, but the substance is the same as it was over a decade ago. It's just as poisonously negative, and just as dishonestly presented. The Knapp Family Counseling site includes a page headed Why I Believe the Transcendental Meditation Org Is Dangerous. It has many links to articles on the revived Trancenet Web site, including to the notorious German study he pushed so assiduously back in the '90s on alt.m.t, despite being told by professional researchers-- including one who was a strong TM critic and another who was neutral--that the study was completely unscientific. (And no, for various reasons it's not even useful as anecdotal material; I may post on that next week.) As to the TMFree blog, if you think FFL is negative concerning TM/TMers/TMO/MMY, the views expressed here are benignly rosy compared to Knapp's blog, both in the posts and the comments thereon. Anyone who dares say anything positive about TM/TMO/MMY is attacked by the commenters with a ferocity that makes the pro-TMers' comments about TM critics on FFL look like gentle caresses. (I haven't been reading all the comments there, but it appears from what I have read that the few pro-TMers that participated in the beginning have been driven off. At one point when I was still commenting there, Knapp made a half-hearted attempt to dial down the former TMers' hostility, but he didn't bother to keep an eye on things, and nobody paid any attention.) Having delivered himself of this blooper about Knapp, Barry goes on to dig himself an even deeper hole by pointing proudly to Curtis as another example of a former TM critic who has become much milder and more benign. Sez Barry, They [meaning Feste, Lawson, and me] don't believe that it is *possible* for someone they disliked in the past to change in the present. Once they have developed their first impression of them, that impression is fixed, immutable. But we have no problem seeing the changes in Curtis. Barry inadvertently steps on his own point again, as he so often does when he's more anxious to bash TMers than to make sense. Their belief system, Barry proclaims, does not seem to allow for the possibility of [Knapp] having changed over the years. Actually, we see no *evidence* of his having changed over the years, and much evidence, from his blog, his Web site, and his posts here, that he has not--in sharp contrast to the way we see Curtis. A couple more points: This covers Judy (who pretty much dwells in the past full-time), Lawson, and feste. Their message is consistent: Why should we trust what John says in the present, because his past actions (as we see them, that is) have convinced us that he is not to be trusted. Now THINK about this statement, Note for the record that this statement is Barry's own version of what we said, even though he puts it in quotes as if he was directly quoting one of us. For me, it's not just Knapp's past actions, it's his current actions as well. snip WHY? And WHY do they act like this? My bet is that what *we* see as their anger at these TM critics is in reality anger at *them- selves* for their inability to change. They cling to the TM dogma, and talk, talk, talk about its supposed benefits and the changes it can supposedly enable people to make, but they never actually *make* any of these changes *themselves*. That must get them down after a while, seeing others change and evolve around them, while they do
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: --You're not making sense. If there's no me then who/whom is to be Awakened? Classic neoadvaita false View: ignore the Relative. Pseudoneo-advaita view: deny the relative when that is the only experience you have. Adharma at its best. Everybody wants to be Ramana, but they aren't To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff) I wonder what Bevan would say if the Sun suddenly belched a solar flare and the earth was in the path of it. He probably wouldn't say anything since he and everything else on this planet would be burnt to toast. Such are the laws of nature. Do solar flares come out this far? Bevan's tummy comes out this far
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's report on flooding in Iowa (and other stuff)
God in his infinite wisom!! Yes, this can explain anyting!! Who are we to question the almightly in the plan he has for the universe. He's got the whole world in his hands --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from a friend on Mother Divine: Are you wondering how all this flooding could be going on with so many Pandits? We are surprised at Natural Law. Definitely in the phase transition here. Hopefully lots of light very soon. But one thing the press has reported that as waters receeded in Cedar Rapids it left behind a toxic brew of farm pesticide, chemicals and toxic wastes. Bevan has pointed out that one thing that we won't see in Heaven on Earth is chemical ag. He threw up his arms and said he couldn't pretend to know the mechanics of nature's functioning here. (Bevan currently here.) By the way, I typed up some notes from the Global Family Chat on the 21st. Bevan spoke about upcoming Fourth of July celebration. Here ya go: On the June 21 Global Family Chat Bevan said he had been to Rudra Abhishek yagya in a special temple here in a deep, cave-like place, and how powerful it was. He said all the Pandits have digital cameras and video cameras now and all wanted pictures taken after the yagya which her really enjoyed. He said July 4th is a big celebration for the Pandits. He thought it was because it is the Fourth of July for America. But it turns out it is a special Vedic celebration that falls on that day. He said Maharishi told the Pandits they are not coming to America, they are coming to Vedic America and they should celebrate every Vedic Festival here. On Lord Jagannath's day, who Bevan said is a reality of Vishnu, the tradition is to build a chariot and pull it in Orissa. This year it falls on July 4. The Pandits made a cardboard `'mock- up of a chariot and it has now been made. They are going to pull it with ropes through the roads and fields of Iowa. He didn't elaborate where they would go, but this should be interesting. I believe we did see part of the chariot off to the side of the road, and it's really neat. Bevan also mentioned there are two new big buildings going up on the Pandit campus. Mother Divine has noticed this so it was nice of Bevan to clarify. One is a dining hall. Other he thinks is for yagyas. Someone told me it was announced today (June 23) it is a new rec center (that the one they have isn't big enough for all the Pandits), He also said he talked to Bill Goldstein who has made several trips to India to help the Pandits get their visas, and Bill said they have found another 100 Pandits with passports. So these 100 have moved from where ever they are to Delhi to get their visas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
---Your karma is worse for getting duped by that phoney Benjamin Creme. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---The basic underlying idea (this concept began early on in the Movement - thanks in large part to MMY and Jerry); is that big bucks (say 100 mil); would be sufficient to jump start the prison project (and other projects - peace palaces, pundits, etc). But MMY already acquired the 100 mil a few years back and that hasn't been accounted for. Bad karma, I'd say! With all this thinking about dollars and money, money, I assume you are an american ? I wish you luck, but I can assure you that you are on a wrong track. There is probably no worse karma these days than being born an american. Maharishi tried to eliviate you from this curse coming to your country in 1959; I pray His efforts was not in vain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
You're making me blush!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lurkernomore, your name alone has inspired me to contribute (in equal measure) to this forum. Your kind words are welcome into my home (but i must add, please don't bring turqy along). Thank you and those others, who have made me welcome in your community. Have a nice day, you deserve it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Wrong indeed. And happy to be so :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: When you said that I'd be gone in 24 hours, you were wrong again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Now comes Dan. Conditions, stipulatons, qualifications, if onlys. The world according to Dan, according to Dan, certainly would be a nearly ideal world. Dan knows whats best for FFL. It must be kindler, gentler. Dialog must be civil. There must be no sarcasm, or at least, very mild. Dan will know which is which. Dan to carry the banner. Dan is great in 08 I say he's gone in 24 hours. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I'll post the research, if you want to be openminded --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: --Right. Most succintly, there have been no clear testimonials of first hand GC (embracing Celestial/Glorified) levels of awareness; and how this is to be distinguished from CC. Also, the accounts of witnessing during sleep are suspiciously fleeting and sporadic. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 wrote: TM requires practice for the development of full benefits. Going from 'boat to boat' will not get the seeker to the other shore. I understand Fairfield has a few score people who qualify as fully enlightened. If that's true, how many woke up after abandoning TM for something else? I think there are signs that people are beginning to awaken in FF and other places and some are just having nice meditative experiences-- common ones which are often mistaken for Enlightenment. But I have not heard of anyone who meets the criteria of CC as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi described it, so I think your claim of full enlightenment is a tad premature. I'm talking about unity consciousness. I understood there were people in Fairfield claiming unity consciousness. That's what I'm asking to confirm, deny or elaborate upon. In many ways it seems a typical neoadvaita scene. Please elaborate - I don't get a mental image of what a neoadvaita scene would be, for all the use of that term here. It seems many of these people did begin to have good experiences after leaving the movement, some with other meditation techniques, some remaining with TM and/or the TMSP. Such may be the case, but I'm questioning whether there are people in Fairfield who reached enlightenment after switching paths. Dan Friedman says it isn't done, but I somehow got the impression it had been done.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Terrorist Manual
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: FFL immutable laws of nature. 1) Bhairitu will be summoned whenever the subject of 9-11 conspiricies come up. Not true. I didn't post anything to Rick's post on High ranking officers don't believe 9/11 account. I only posted to Turq's topic more as a jibe as I knew it would push a few buttons, apparently your's too. :D :D :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! Anyone thinking he can make a living off the knowledge given so generously by Maharishi is already off. It is not possible. The TMO is for Tapas and Tapas alone. There is no room for making a living off the Knowledge, never was, never will be. Maharishi made a pretty good living. Never ran out of clean silk sheets. Silk sheets are good for you. I know what furniture Maharishi bought since I handled it; it was all IKEA for His suite in Vlodrop and Boppard. Every single piece. The carpets looked good but was bought for 1/5 of retail. Nothing was wasted, ever.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
On Jun 24, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: --You're not making sense. If there's no me then who/whom is to be Awakened? Classic neoadvaita false View: ignore the Relative. Pseudoneo-advaita view: deny the relative when that is the only experience you have. Adharma at its best. Everybody wants to be Ramana, but they aren't Pseudo-realistic view: nobody really cares about this elitist nonsense except the 3 of you. Oh yeah, and Jim. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Your karma is worse for getting duped by that phoney Benjamin Creme. Rather I think Mr. Creme and Maharishi try to make their voices heard for the benefit of the people. But don't take my word for it: http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm http://maharishichannel.org/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! Silk sheets are good for you. I know what furniture Maharishi bought since I handled it; it was all IKEA for His suite in Vlodrop and Boppard. Every single piece. The carpets looked good but was bought for 1/5 of retail. Nothing was wasted, ever. Right. All Maharishi's projects were always so carefully considered for their practicality and feasibility. Every dollar spent always produced such wonderful results.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last! Silk sheets are good for you. I know what furniture Maharishi bought since I handled it; it was all IKEA for His suite in Vlodrop and Boppard. Every single piece. The carpets looked good but was bought for 1/5 of retail. Nothing was wasted, ever. Right. All Maharishi's projects were always so carefully considered for their practicality and feasibility. Every dollar spent always produced such wonderful results. Yes. Yet you sound bitter. Why is that, all that hugging is not working ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a forum. A forum isn't for peddling. How do these delusions become manifest so readily. If it's any consolation, I'm not here long (Grace is sending me elsewhere and the responses have been filled with such juvenile ferocity that all has already been mirrored with exceptional speed and accuracy). I am here to be in ecstatic Love. Historically this is not usually taken seriously, do.rflex. - This is not news. Is this what you so desired? Separation. There was never any union with your phony goddessness. That would only exist in your own mind. I'm sure however, that you'll find uninformed gullible people elsewhere who'll go for your silly nonsense until they see through your sham.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
That's the best thing you've said so far. Care to elaborate? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naked is best, by the way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: --You're not making sense. If there's no me then who/whom is to be Awakened? Classic neoadvaita false View: ignore the Relative. Pseudoneo-advaita view: deny the relative when that is the only experience you have. Adharma at its best. Everybody wants to be Ramana, but they aren't Pseudo-realistic view: nobody really cares about this elitist nonsense except the 3 of you. Oh yeah, and Jim. Sal I wouldn't call it pseudo-realistic view. It is more of a result of many years of meditation. After some time it becomes very simple to see the world as it is. All that fantasy/ego/separation enabling delusion seems to fall away. s. Another duffer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
On Jun 24, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Stu wrote: I wouldn't call it pseudo-realistic view. It is more of a result of many years of meditation. After some time it becomes very simple to see the world as it is. All that fantasy/ego/separation enabling delusion seems to fall away. Oh what would life be like without our fantasies and delusions, Stu? Boring. Bring me a good fantasy over all the neo-advaitan (whatever that is) crap in the world any day. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 24, 2008, at 4:41 PM, yifuxero wrote: --You're not making sense. If there's no me then who/whom is to be Awakened? Classic neoadvaita false View: ignore the Relative. Pseudoneo-advaita view: deny the relative when that is the only experience you have. Adharma at its best. Everybody wants to be Ramana, but they aren't Pseudo-realistic view: nobody really cares about this elitist nonsense except the 3 of you. Oh yeah, and Jim. Sal Now Sal, how are we gonna let you into our cool club with an attitude like that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satsang Sluts
On Jun 24, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Peter wrote: Now Sal, how are we gonna let you into our cool club with an attitude like that? No need, Peter--I clearly don't qualify! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Under Martian Skies
Some truly unbelievable and beautiful images of Mars. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/martian_skies.html image001.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Under Martian Skies
On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Some truly unbelievable and beautiful images of Mars. So where are the little green men? Sal
