[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Is George just rebeling against his father, for all of this... Not only with the invasion of Iraq... But, also bringing down the economy. Maybe he wanted to 'Stick It' to the Rich. The Rich are losing more in this collapse than anyone. Maybe he's helping in 'The Plan'... That the 'Meek Shall Inherit the Earth'... Thanks George. You're 'Quite the Dude'... R.G. Good questions. Here is my current theory : GW( Bush 43 ) was a blueblood Yankee at birth. Multi-generational wealth and political power in the Northeast did not satisfy his father, GH (Bush 41 ), who sought to expand the Bush family power base. GH Bush moved to Texas after WW II , to build the Republican party there, and take significant stakes in the domestic and international Oil industries. W grew up in Texas. He liked Texans, and tried his best to be a `Texan. W chafed at the bias against Texans he witnessed at Yale and Kennebunckport during the decades of his father's rise as CIA head, and to the Bush 41 Presidency. W closely aligned with the Oil Industry, and the Oil Industry became more important to the Bush family than Wall Street. When W took office, The Oil Industry attitude of What are you doing living on top of MY oil ? justified W's administration's unilateral invasion of Iraq. W loathes Republicans outside of the South, and everyone else. He is mildly amused at the destruction of the domestic financial system, while he plans retirement in a gated Dallas McMansion community of like-minded oil people. The more poor people there are around one, the cooler it's to be filthy rich??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: TurquoiseB Even given the problems associated with certifying enlightenment, I still have to believe that a trad- ition like this in which it is permitted to announce your enlightened is more likely to actually produce enlightenment than a tradition in which announcing the good news may result in you being expelled and declared a heretic. You may be right, and as a consequence, many in the TMO who wake up decide it's time for them to leave. As I said, it's an incubator. Incubators get a little crowded once you've hatched. I would have used the metaphor of the playpen, not the incubator. Those who have spent a number of years in a nanny environment that constantly told them about the horrors of the outside world and that they should fear them probably don't want to spend a lot of time there once they learn that there is nothing to be feared, and never was. They go outside and play and leave the fearful behind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions The point here is that if your running the show you can't have a bunch of TMers running around saying they're enlightened and breaking off and start their own clubs, temples, boutiques and spas. Once a follower is certified enlightened, then how can you hold bend them to your whim? How can you turn a profit with that sort of competition? As MMY said to a friend of mine, allegedly with tears in his eyes, before giving him the boot: You're getting too independent, and I can't stand it. I remember this side of Maharishi well, and saw it clearly when several of his favorites grew up and realized that they no longer needed him as a Daddy figure in their lives. They tried their best to leave gracefully, with thanks on their lips and gratitude in their hearts. But all that it seemed that Maharishi could see in their leaving was that they were rejecting him. The difference in the look on each of their faces was striking. On the one hand, a person full of life and hope and wonder and light, looking for- ward to leaving the nest and diving into the big, wide world to discover more of its beauty and hopefully to share some of their own hope, wonder and light with that world. On the other hand (Maharishi), a look of hurt, disappointment, and spiteful anger at being rejected. Seems to me that a real Daddy would be happy when one of his kids grew up and left the nest. He wouldn't spend the next month in a funk, bad- mouthing the kid for leaving and making dire pronouncements about the kid going to hell and warning everyone not to listen to anything he said the way Maharishi did with these former students. I really do think sometimes that the whole TM movement was Maharishi playing out the jealousy he felt that he didn't get the lion's share of attention from Guru Dev back in his ashram. There he was Just Another Monk, as he should have been, but was always hoping for Guru Dev to focus on him non-stop and tell him how won- derful he was. And that's how he assumed that his students should act towards him. Whatever good Maharishi did -- for individuals and the world -- was undercut and rendered tragic for me by his last days, which were straight out of King Lear. He gathered around him all of the Rajas and all of the rich meditators and forced them to compete with each other like Regan and Goneril and Ophelia in a contest to see who could praise him the most gloriously. I'm sorry, but in my book that's how tragic characters from a Shakespearean drama end their lives, not how enlightened beings end them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof to Judy I'm not a homophobe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Here is more darshan from the patron saint of Austin, TX. I laughed what the TMO has left of my balls off watching this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4CXlIYjyE Hilarious. That's it exactly. What did you think all those saddles and boots were about? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Yep. 10,000 um flyers would create world peace. Damn your careers, yes. Wow...I know you're being sarcastic, but I wonder: does anyone really buy this anymore? Do people really believe that Fairfield Iowa and Vlodrop are the epicenter of the universe? That any still do is utterly amazing. Thanks for putting this into words, Geez. That's exactly what's been striking me lately, hearing from the TBs all of this word-for-word, catechism-like repetition of the bullshit we realized was bullshit 30 years ago. 30 years gives you some perspective. Reading FFL, I find myself in a pretty much constant state of wonder that people still believe the things they say here. It's like stepping back into a time machine and going back to the 70s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
mainstream20...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote:
snip
.. The research turned into 40 minutes .
and brain waves turned to mush.
A preferred TMSP when rounding :
10 min. asanas / 10 min. prana / 20 TM / 20 research /
10 YF / 15 rest / 5 of 9th / 5 of 10th.
A preferred meditation program for someone who
is truly evolved:
1. A few minutes of meditation morning and evening.
2. Spend the rest of the day doing nice things for
others, as if they were more important than you are.
3. If #2 requires so much time that #1 isn't really
feasible, skip #1.
That's how all the people in human history who are
revered by history as enlightened saints did it.
The ones who spent most of their time doing for
themselves are remembered as the selfish, self-
important fucks they were, if they are remembered
at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
Wanted Dead or Alive Simple Jyotish test: 1. Submit submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 deceased people. The astrologer has to predict within a year the person died. A few folks on the forum may know at least one person in their life and who has died and has their birth and death information, they would be willing to provide. 2. Submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 people who are alive. The astrologer has to predicts whether or not the person is dead or alive. If the astrologer thinks the person is dead he predicts the year of the death. 3. Balance the age of the samples. Deceased sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) Alive sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) 4. Submit all 20 birth info to the astrologer. Tell his 10 people have died in the sample. All he has to do is pick ten people from the group and predict within the year the date they died. Admittedly, this may seem a little morbid, but the upside is that it doesn't leave much room for argument over shades of gray, the person is either dead or alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I've been thinking about this subject a little in the wake of the JohnR debacle, so here is my proposal for what I think would be a valid test of the claims of Jyotish. I know that no one who is actually working in the field of Jyotish or astrology is ever likely to submit to this test, but wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Others who know more about the scientific method and the design of research protocols are welcome to add to my list below: 1. Establish a truly impartial set of judges who have no stake in the findings one way or another. The test data defined in #2 and #3 below will be sent to these judges and held privately until all of the analyses of individual charts are submitted by Jyotishi and astrologers. Then their predictions will be weighed against the test data and the results evaluated. 2. The test data consists of at least ten sets of blind birth data. None of the people whose birth data is supplied can be famous, so that their charts cannot be looked up and the identity of the person gleaned from the many public caches of birth data accessible to Jyotishi and astrologers. The test subjects will not be identified by name, or even by sex unless the Jyotishi/astrologers specify that they have to know the sex of the subject before doing an analysis of the chart. NO personal data or description of the subject or their lives will be provided at all, other than their birth data. 3. For each test subject, there has to be at least one major, significant, and verifiable past event that happened in their lives that is to be identi- fied by the Jyotishi/astrologer group. Each event has to be *concrete* and not hazy in any way. In other words, They had a successful, happy life is right out. It has to be more like, In 1996 this person gave birth to a healthy son or In 2004 this person was promoted to the presidency of a major company or In 2007 this person was diagnosed with cancer of a specific type and was successfully (or unsuccessfully) treated for it or In 1998 this person died, of this cause. Again, there can be nothing hazy or non-specific about each event, and each event must be so important in the life of an individual that it theoretically cannot be missed in a chart by someone who claims that such things are revealed there. In other words, for each chart there has to be a *major* event in that subject's life that to some extent stands out and tends to define that life. 4. The participating Jyotishi or astrologers have to spend time pouring over the charts themselves, with no other input, and then write up their anal- yses of the charts, trying to pinpoint what the major event in each subject's life was. The predic- tions have to be specific, using clear, no bullshit language. Multiple predictions are possible for each chart, but if multiple predictions are given, they will be weighted in the results such that a scattershot approach by the Jyotishi/astrologers in an attempt to cover all the bases will not be weighted as highly as a single prediction. 5. Each prediction has to include the year that the event happened, or at the very minimum, a three-year range of years in which it happened. Again, a gen- eralized prediction like, This subject suffered some disease at some point in their adult life will be regarded as the bullshit it is and given no points in the results. 6. At the discretion of the judges, extra points can be awarded for specificity. That is, a prediction that a subject was diagnosed with a life-threatening disease in 1996 can be weighted lower than a predic- tion that the same subject was diagnosed with cancer of the liver in 1996, along with the accurate results of the treatment of that specific disease. 7. All submissions to the panel of judges are final,
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: But there are some positive notes. No longer are, men allowed to bundle up for bed in a chair ready for sleepy time in preparation for program. There seems to be a message that if you give the Dome a bad image by being an invalid or look like you came to slumber, then maybe you should not be in the Dome. This is very encouraging. Oh, as in a spiritual discipline to sit up. do the practice. This is a real interesting step of progress in there. response to evident public criticism. Good work, FFL. Shows the able blessings of internet transparency in this new age, of enlightenment in the old adage of, 'Speak truth to power'. JGD, JGD, JGD,
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Nabs, you say this is for the naysayers. What's the point of the article? If I take the article at face value, which I do, you have an interesting article about a man who does jyotish. It also points out the subjective influence in doing jyotish. Also, any discussion of Princess Diana's jyotish after her death is completely moot. Post hoc discovery means nothing. Most jyotish discussion seem to be of this nature. They talk about how all the signs point towards some inevitable outcome that has already occurred! Again, let's see a jyotish prediction prior to it occurring! I have no illusions about convincing you about anything, it was posted for more openminded souls. However I'm surpriced that you missed the fact that Yogi Karve gave these details about someone who's name he did not know in advance, in this case Lady Diana. This is one of his unique talents, and perhaps a reason why Maharishi named him a SatPurusha. Anyway, Yogi Karve visited Vlodrop several times and would stay for a week or more. I remember him there in the end of the '80's, an illustrious soul indeed. How many plantes does he use in his charts? Marshy jyotishees don't use any that aren't visible to the naked eye, which marks it out as tosh from the get-go. If astrology is to do with the movement of planets against the zodiac then you have to have all of them or it aint gonna work! Even if they just act as markers to some unfolding of karma that we can't perceive how does it work now that we know the Earth *isn't* the centre of the solar system? Surely every prediction is going to be way off once you take these things that the ancients didn't know into consideration. Hmmm, the sceptic in me thinks that perhaps the fact I got such poor results from my single jyotish reading might be connected to that ;-) I would like to meet this Yogi Karve chap though, he sounds fascinating whatever the truth of astrology. I would have to tape it so I can listen to it afterwards to see if I inadvertently led him on. Would that be allowed?
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
A preferred meditation program for someone who is truly evolved: Watch out, Barry - you're parroting Maharishi here. He says in his introduction to the Gita that right action *follows* enlightenment, rather the commonly held misconception that right action contributes to the development of enlightenment. (SCI Correlate: The Conversations with God books say the same thing. Neale Donald Walsch writes that the Old Testament's Ten Commandments were not intended to be prescriptive, but descriptive. For example, you can tell when people are close to God, because they do not kill, covet or bear false witness.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: A preferred meditation program for someone who is truly evolved: 1. A few minutes of meditation morning and evening. 2. Spend the rest of the day doing nice things for others, as if they were more important than you are. 3. If #2 requires so much time that #1 isn't really feasible, skip #1. That's how all the people in human history who are revered by history as enlightened saints did it. The ones who spent most of their time doing for themselves are remembered as the selfish, self- important fucks they were, if they are remembered at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Wanted Dead or Alive Simple Jyotish test: 1. Submit submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 deceased people. The astrologer has to predict within a year the person died. A few folks on the forum may know at least one person in their life and who has died and has their birth and death information, they would be willing to provide. 2. Submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 people who are alive. The astrologer has to predicts whether or not the person is dead or alive. If the astrologer thinks the person is dead he predicts the year of the death. 3. Balance the age of the samples. Deceased sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) Alive sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) 4. Submit all 20 birth info to the astrologer. Tell his 10 people have died in the sample. All he has to do is pick ten people from the group and predict within the year the date they died. Admittedly, this may seem a little morbid, but the upside is that it doesn't leave much room for argument over shades of gray, the person is either dead or alive. Good suggestion. However, given his recent posts about the book The Serpent and the Rainbow, it is likely that several TBs and whiny astrologers here would claim that Vaj was submitting the birth data of zombies to skew the results. :-) :-) :-) Zombies are welcome in the sample as long as they are in the dead category.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Nabs, you say this is for the naysayers. What's the point of the article? If I take the article at face value, which I do, you have an interesting article about a man who does jyotish. It also points out the subjective influence in doing jyotish. Also, any discussion of Princess Diana's jyotish after her death is completely moot. Post hoc discovery means nothing. Most jyotish discussion seem to be of this nature. They talk about how all the signs point towards some inevitable outcome that has already occurred! Again, let's see a jyotish prediction prior to it occurring! I have no illusions about convincing you about anything, it was posted for more openminded souls. However I'm surpriced that you missed the fact that Yogi Karve gave these details about someone who's name he did not know in advance, in this case Lady Diana. This is one of his unique talents, and perhaps a reason why Maharishi named him a SatPurusha. Anyway, Yogi Karve visited Vlodrop several times and would stay for a week or more. I remember him there in the end of the '80's, an illustrious soul indeed. It does sound like it would be an honor to be in his presence. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Wanted Dead or Alive Simple Jyotish test: 1. Submit submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 deceased people. The astrologer has to predict within a year the person died. A few folks on the forum may know at least one person in their life and who has died and has their birth and death information, they would be willing to provide. 2. Submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 people who are alive. The astrologer has to predicts whether or not the person is dead or alive. If the astrologer thinks the person is dead he predicts the year of the death. 3. Balance the age of the samples. Deceased sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) Alive sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) 4. Submit all 20 birth info to the astrologer. Tell his 10 people have died in the sample. All he has to do is pick ten people from the group and predict within the year the date they died. Admittedly, this may seem a little morbid, but the upside is that it doesn't leave much room for argument over shades of gray, the person is either dead or alive. Good suggestion. However, given his recent posts about the book The Serpent and the Rainbow, it is likely that several TBs and whiny astrologers here would claim that Vaj was submitting the birth data of zombies to skew the results. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've been thinking about this subject a little in the wake of the JohnR debacle, so here is my proposal for what I think would be a valid test of the claims of Jyotish. I know that no one who is actually working in the field of Jyotish or astrology is ever likely to submit to this test, but wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Others who know more about the scientific method and the design of research protocols are welcome to add to my list below: 1. Establish a truly impartial set of judges who have no stake in the findings one way or another. The test data defined in #2 and #3 below will be sent to these judges and held privately until all of the analyses of individual charts are submitted by Jyotishi and astrologers. Then their predictions will be weighed against the test data and the results evaluated. 2. The test data consists of at least ten sets of blind birth data. None of the people whose birth data is supplied can be famous, so that their charts cannot be looked up and the identity of the person gleaned from the many public caches of birth data accessible to Jyotishi and astrologers. The test subjects will not be identified by name, or even by sex unless the Jyotishi/astrologers specify that they have to know the sex of the subject before doing an analysis of the chart. NO personal data or description of the subject or their lives will be provided at all, other than their birth data. 3. For each test subject, there has to be at least one major, significant, and verifiable past event that happened in their lives that is to be identi- fied by the Jyotishi/astrologer group. Each event has to be *concrete* and not hazy in any way. In other words, They had a successful, happy life is right out. It has to be more like, In 1996 this person gave birth to a healthy son or In 2004 this person was promoted to the presidency of a major company or In 2007 this person was diagnosed with cancer of a specific type and was successfully (or unsuccessfully) treated for it or In 1998 this person died, of this cause. Again, there can be nothing hazy or non-specific about each event, and each event must be so important in the life of an individual that it theoretically cannot be missed in a chart by someone who claims that such things are revealed there. In other words, for each chart there has to be a *major* event in that subject's life that to some extent stands out and tends to define that life. 4. The participating Jyotishi or astrologers have to spend time pouring over the charts themselves, with no other input, and then write up their anal- yses of the charts, trying to pinpoint what the major event in each subject's life was. The predic- tions have to be specific, using clear, no bullshit language. Multiple predictions are possible for each chart, but if multiple predictions are given, they will be weighted in the results such that a scattershot approach by the Jyotishi/astrologers in an attempt to cover all the bases will not be weighted as highly as a single prediction. 5. Each prediction has to include the year that the event happened, or at the very minimum, a three-year range of years in which it happened. Again, a gen- eralized prediction like, This subject suffered some disease at some point in their adult life will be regarded as the bullshit it is and given no points in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
Turq qrotw: It's like stepping back into a time machine and going back to the 70s. Or, like stepping into the 'Bardo' state? LOL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
Turq wrote: I remember this side of Maharishi well, and saw it clearly when several of his favorites grew up and realized that they no longer needed him as a Daddy figure in their lives... Maybe so, and it took you what, over 24 years to leave your two Daddie figures, the Marshy and the Rama. And maybe now you're trashing the Marshy and the Rama just because you were not one of their favorites. LOL! We are not really separate beings of light. That's a dream we are having, the dream of multiplicity. Meditation takes us beyond the moment to eternal awareness. Main Page: www.ramaquotes.com Mysticism - Dreaming: www.ramaquotes.com/html/dreaming.html Read comments by Uncle Tantra: From: Buddhist Monk Subject: Quotations by Zen Master Rama Newsgroups: alt.meditation, alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 13 2006 http://tinyurl.com/6v7owc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The demand for proof is from the mind and the mind no matter what is offered can always hold doubt. I believe the doubt arises out of the ego's need for support and confirmation. So an enlightened person is compared to this conceptual template of what the ego needs an enlightened person to be. I'd like to offer an opinion from the cheap seats in the spiritual Mela here. The demand for proof for the claims about enlightenment come from being familiar with human's tendency to bullshit themselves and others. We have a piss poor track record for truth and skepticism is appropriate IMO. Let's double the need for skepticism when Maharishi set himself up to be judged this way by insisting that enlightenment DID have plenty of relative measurable qualities. These included higher intelligence, creativity, and other wonderful personal qualities up to and including magical super normal ones which he himself said were the way to test the state. Some here have said that he had to lie to us to keep us going on the path. And we are being small minded to hold him to his words. We are supposed to give him a pass for lying about this but then turn around an believe his other claims? I understand that we can change our internal states with techniques like meditation. I also had wonderful experiences of darshon with Maharishi personally. But these experiences were in a specific context of long waiting, much meditation and interestingly enough, if you hung out with him for more than a few days it could dry up. It isn't my business how people interpret what their internal states mean. But my need for evidence for the claims of enlightenment are coming from the same good place of any seeker of truth. I want to accept less bullshit from myself and others. This IMO is a virtue, not a personal limitation. (snip) This might be simple enough...when the in-breath merges into the out-breath, then one is enlightened. When you realize that you are consciousness, then you are enlightened. When you can sit and meditate, and witness at will, then you are enlightened. We are practicing witnessing in meditation; that is all that it is. Practice witnessing, and you will be enlightened, in any moment, in any time. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof to Judy I'm not a homophobe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: Here is more darshan from the patron saint of Austin, TX. I laughed what the TMO has left of my balls off watching this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4CXlIYjyE Hilarious. That's it exactly. What did you think all those saddles and boots were about? :-) Scoot boots and nice butts ensconced in dusty leather? Loved the twirling and dosados.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Turq wrote: I remember this side of Maharishi well, and saw it clearly when several of his favorites grew up and realized that they no longer needed him as a Daddy figure in their lives... Maybe so, and it took you what, over 24 years to leave your two Daddie figures, the Marshy and the Rama. And maybe now you're trashing the Marshy and the Rama just because you were not one of their favorites. LOL! We are not really separate beings of light. That's a dream we are having, the dream of multiplicity. Meditation takes us beyond the moment to eternal awareness. Main Page: www.ramaquotes.com Mysticism - Dreaming: www.ramaquotes.com/html/dreaming.html Read comments by Uncle Tantra: From: Buddhist Monk Subject: Quotations by Zen Master Rama Newsgroups: alt.meditation, alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 13 2006 http://tinyurl.com/6v7owc 'The moment is where there is eternity, not in the past, and not in the future, but in this moment, which you are witnessing, now... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: yes, yes. yes. thanks for the insight into all of this. the Maharishi was all about breaking boundaries, deliberately, fearlessly, and profoundly. if you allowed him to do so, he would smash your ego into nothingness, and you would thank him profusely for it! i hadn't heard the joke about discerning another's state of enlightenment, depending on how much they are personally liked. perfect, and very funny. its all about getting out of the way of the ego. for us to be blessed with both a technique and the technique's results personified leaves me almost speechless. though on the flip side i have often wondered why we all needed to be so fortunate in the first place! lol The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years.
[FairfieldLife] 'John Travolta's Son's Story'
I heard from someone that John Travolta's son, who just passed; he was 16. Well, he was supposedly autistic, and was advised to be on medication; But, since John Travola's religious belief, against the medication, because he's a Scientologist, well, that's what happened. John, supposedly was also in denial, that his son was autistic. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
What a great read. Reminds me of John Muir's postcards from Yosemite, letting his readers know what was going on. I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Good news. If you follow the strongly recommended IA program there's perhaps time to eat if you drive like a bat out of Hell to Annapura and race to get the leftovers, perhaps back in the kitchen. Thank God for cars and places like Georges which serve lunch all day and night long. There are no longer personal announcements and ads allowed in the Mens Dome. I see this as a boon because years ago there were all these disheartening ads about people needing rides but having no money for gas or food or the latest ozone generator device for sale. There is also the instruction given at Devco to Mind Your Own Business. If you get caught chatting up people while changing you can be pulled aside and warned. But there are some positive notes. One is that no longer does the first 50 feet from the entrance look like a hospice. No longer are there men sitting on 10 (I shit you not) pieces of foam piled one on the other. No longer are men allowed to bundle up for bed in a chair ready for sleepy time in preparation for program. There seems to be a message that if you give the Dome a bad image by being an invalid or look like you came to slumber, then maybe you should not be in the Dome. This is very encouraging. Yes, there are professional fliers living off the meager stipend, some are the salt of the earth and some are the lost souls who are living on the stipend. My suite is a focal point for many of these men scarcely getting by, as is the 4th Street Cafe, Georges and Vivos. These men just come to socialize. But they definitely won't turn down an offer of tea and cake, pizza, skones or Vivo's rare tuna on Caesar salad. Many of these men I honor greatly and of course there's always a chair for them at my table even if for some strange reason they were wondering around Vivos (highly overpriced, low class eatery in a warehouse in FF) at night. The wonderful thing is that there are salt of the earth plus of course visitors (many ex-pats, which is where I come in, as I'm sponsoring a slew of them on IA for Christmas). These people don't sleep much if at all. We take our places in the dark yellow pieces of foam that make a big rectangle around the Dome and we fly. Dammit, we fly. Round and round and round the Dome, hour on end. That is exciting. There's a conference call and a tape between rounds (very bad for the long fliers who as a result get no quiet lie down time). There is also this ever falling off to lesser numbers of gov'nors doing puja to Guru Dev between rounds. If there's time, a #1 experience is read in one of the assemblies of IA, THMD, THP. I don't want to waste posts on people like Geezer so I'll reply to him here. Yee of little faith who mock us. Yee will have a different opinion of us after tomorrow after my flying friends gather at my place, join hands, chant and turn you into a turnup. Do I think FF or Vlodrup are the centers of the world? No. I think if we gathered 10,000 sidhas in downtown Baghdad for a year that would just as equally save the world from going to Hell in a handbasket. Plus send home some highly evoved dudes and dudettes when the year was up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years. I don't really get the spiritual POV on the ego. Other than a person being egotistical and being inflexible with other people which is bad, my life's growth has been to develop a strong ego out of the many forces in youth that smash it down. Growing into a strong sense of ego and self is one way of describing my positive growth. I would view any attempt to smash it to be abusive. Now if you learned to have a strong ego in the midst of other women who were trying to assert theirs, becoming flexible enough to work things out and see another person's POV, that to me is an ego becoming healthy, secure and strong. I think ego gets a really bad rap in spiritual traditions. (Any details about the inevitable pillow fights that you all had would me much appreciated and detailed descriptions could be billed on a minute by minute basis if you wish. I'm just say'n...I'll trade you some tapes of the Vedic Atom Men dancing in cheeks-chaps if you like.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: yes, yes. yes. thanks for the insight into all of this. the Maharishi was all about breaking boundaries, deliberately, fearlessly, and profoundly. if you allowed him to do so, he would smash your ego into nothingness, and you would thank him profusely for it! i hadn't heard the joke about discerning another's state of enlightenment, depending on how much they are personally liked. perfect, and very funny. its all about getting out of the way of the ego. for us to be blessed with both a technique and the technique's results personified leaves me almost speechless. though on the flip side i have often wondered why we all needed to be so fortunate in the first place! lol The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: the grace of enlightenment can only be known through a receptive consciousness. for those who DEMAND PROOF of personal enlightenment, they might as well be chasing a kite in a hundred mile an hour wind. This contradicts MMYs teachings on enlightenment completely. Namely, that it is another state of consciousness and can be measured like all the others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
So often this is way things play out. Probably the situation was considered too lax, and some of the more hard core participants wanted a more serious approach. Just speculation on my part, since I am not there, nor been there, for many years. On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:10 PM, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: At one time it was a social thing to go to the dome. We would gather in our little CCP groups and whisper amongst ourselves and listen to the announcements and be happy Purusha was there with their nice energy. Eventually, the ability to talk was eliminated. The announcements were eliminated. The presence of Purusha was eliminated.The research turned into 40 minutes. It got longer and longer. There wasn't enough time to do the longest program and eat and make the evening meeting. They asked for too much and gave too little in return.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: the grace of enlightenment can only be known through a receptive consciousness. for those who DEMAND PROOF of personal enlightenment, they might as well be chasing a kite in a hundred mile an hour wind. This contradicts MMYs teachings on enlightenment completely. Namely, that it is another state of consciousness and can be measured like all the others. I think his point is that enlightenment can only be experienced, it cannot be proved objectively to the intellect. Like I told my atheist brother (Harvard graduate), only you can prove God to yourself. Your point needs elaboration, like did MMY say you could objectively 'measure' enlightenment, and if so, how?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years. I don't really get the spiritual POV on the ego. Other than a person being egotistical and being inflexible with other people which is bad, my life's growth has been to develop a strong ego out of the many forces in youth that smash it down. Growing into a strong sense of ego and self is one way of describing my positive growth. I would view any attempt to smash it to be abusive. Now if you learned to have a strong ego in the midst of other women who were trying to assert theirs, becoming flexible enough to work things out and see another person's POV, that to me is an ego becoming healthy, secure and strong. I think ego gets a really bad rap in spiritual traditions. (snip) Poor ego, get's a bad rap, all the time; he's always wrong about everything, and is usually, if not always, afraid of something; Afraid of his own power; afraid to succeed; afraid to fail; afraid to love; afraid to tell the truth; afraid of everything, imaginable...making up stuff, to be afraid about. The ego relates to the mind. Then the mind gets transcended, and ego is lost. It finds itself, now, but does not identify with the mind anymore. It begins to identify more with consciousness, and begins the journey of seeing how: tThis cConsciousness, which he is part and parcel of, is the same consciousness, the animates and governs all of creation, then his ego is identified, with that which cannot be identified, the opposite of the mind's version of ego. When one realizes 'Mind Ego' then one becomes aware of something greater then one's own limited mind. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: the grace of enlightenment can only be known through a receptive consciousness. for those who DEMAND PROOF of personal enlightenment, they might as well be chasing a kite in a hundred mile an hour wind. This contradicts MMYs teachings on enlightenment completely. Namely, that it is another state of consciousness and can be measured like all the others. context is everything. is enlightenment tangible? yes. so in confirming that, with a set of criteria, the Maharishi moved the experience of enlightenment from one that was mystical and impractical, to one that way dynamic and useful, even to non-monks like us. what the Maharishi was doing was clearing any obstacles for the mind, so that it could move forward confidently in its quest for enlightenment. what he wasn't affirming was the tendency of some to get so hung up on the criteria that they are prevented from taking further steps on their personal path to enlightenment. like one person asking a friend if it is safe to go upstairs, and although the friend affirms the action and even describes the upstairs, the person remains rooted in place, needing more and more proof that the way upward is in fact the way to go. sometimes we just have to start to move upstairs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:49 PM, I am the eternal wrote: But there are some positive notes. One is that no longer does the first 50 feet from the entrance look like a hospice. No longer are there men sitting on 10 (I shit you not) pieces of foam piled one on the other. No longer are men allowed to bundle up for bed in a chair ready for sleepy time in preparation for program. There seems to be a message that if you give the Dome a bad image by being an invalid or look like you came to slumber, then maybe you should not be in the Dome. This is very encouraging. Main, I take it you are not really saying that if someone has a legitimate disability, they shouldn't be in the Domes--are you? One of the more discouraging moments I had years ago was when one long-time TM teacher and MUM prof expressed pretty much exactly those sentiments. I knew at that point my days were numbered, it was such an incredibly heartless thing to say. Yes, there are professional fliers living off the meager stipend, some are the salt of the earth and some are the lost souls who are living on the stipend. My suite is a focal point for many of these men scarcely getting by, as is the 4th Street Cafe, 4th St Cafe? You mean 2nd St, right? So much for clarity of thinking. Georges and Vivos. These men just come to socialize. How dare they? Don't they know fun isn't allowed in the Home of all Knowledge? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:10 PM, gullible fool wrote: At one time it was a social thing to go to the dome. We would gather in our little CCP groups and whisper amongst ourselves and listen to the announcements and be happy Purusha was there with their nice energy. Eventually, the ability to talk was eliminated. The announcements were eliminated. The presence of Purusha was eliminated.The research turned into 40 minutes. It got longer and longer. There wasn't enough time to do the longest program and eat and make the evening meeting. They asked for too much and gave too little in return. An excellent summation, gull. I would add that in addition to eliminating anything that even vaguely smacked of fun, along with trying to force people to stay longer and longer, was the bizarro idea someone had of putting up written notices all over the place, at least in the Women's Dome, (oops, sorry, I meant ladies')--slip of the keyboard there!:) in an attempt to control almost every aspect of your life while inside, and in some ways outside too. Really weird. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Is George just rebeling against his father, for all of this... Not only with the invasion of Iraq... But, also bringing down the economy. Maybe he wanted to 'Stick It' to the Rich. The Rich are losing more in this collapse than anyone. Maybe he's helping in 'The Plan'... That the 'Meek Shall Inherit the Earth'... Thanks George. You're 'Quite the Dude'... R.G. Good questions. Here is my current theory : GW( Bush 43 ) was a blueblood Yankee at birth. Multi-generational wealth and political power in the Northeast did not satisfy his father, GH (Bush 41 ), who sought to expand the Bush family power base. GH Bush moved to Texas after WW II , to build the Republican party there, and take significant stakes in the domestic and international Oil industries. W grew up in Texas. He liked Texans, and tried his best to be a `Texan. W chafed at the bias against Texans he witnessed at Yale and Kennebunckport during the decades of his father's rise as CIA head, and to the Bush 41 Presidency. W closely aligned with the Oil Industry, and the Oil Industry became more important to the Bush family than Wall Street. When W took office, The Oil Industry attitude of What are you doing living on top of MY oil ? justified W's administration's unilateral invasion of Iraq. W loathes Republicans outside of the South, and everyone else. He is mildly amused at the destruction of the domestic financial system, while he plans retirement in a gated Dallas McMansion community of like-minded oil people. The more poor people there are around one, the cooler it's to be filthy rich?? In 'Bush/World' not only does 'power' equate with money, But, it also equates with 'Royalti' Like when he sucks the 'Royal Tit', at night, Laura's tit. That's nice. Nice thought.. Read between the lines, and you might see where I'm coming from. Come here King of Saudi Arabia, take my hand, and walk the promised land. I look into the eyes of the loyal soldiers, and know they suffer for the higher cause, to serve der Fuerer. Let me touch your hand, oh wounded wond, I shed a tear for you. My dark eyes look into those wounded eye, and I turn away, quickly. It's too painful, I pull away, quickly. I can duck a shoe, like the best of them. I can move out, and back where I belong. Come on Laura, let's leave this F'n place. F' yu, Georgie. R.G. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: yes, yes. yes. thanks for the insight into all of this. the Maharishi was all about breaking boundaries, deliberately, fearlessly, and profoundly. if you allowed him to do so, he would smash your ego into nothingness, and you would thank him profusely for it! i hadn't heard the joke about discerning another's state of enlightenment, depending on how much they are personally liked. perfect, and very funny. its all about getting out of the way of the ego. for us to be blessed with both a technique and the technique's results personified leaves me almost speechless. though on the flip side i have often wondered why we all needed to be so fortunate in the first place! lol The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years. pretty cool directive-- so simple, yet a challenge worthy of spending time on. interesting that the expression Vedic Atom when seen from an angle of isolation, sounds like the imposition of vedic knowledge on the atom; might is right. this is what draws the ego in and makes the challenge initially alluring, conquering the atom. then after the ego has been softened up, becoming more inclusive, the expression takes on a whole different meaning, with the atom informed by the veda, living from the inside out, the most fundamental unit of material life transformed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The biggest smash to my ego was the Vedic Atom. The directive was to agree on everything with ten women. Impossible to do unless the ego completely pulverizes. LOL smashing the Atom. What do you know? I just figured out perhaps Maharishi's intended pun after all these years. I don't really get the spiritual POV on the ego. Other than a person being egotistical and being inflexible with other people which is bad, my life's growth has been to develop a strong ego out of the many forces in youth that smash it down. Growing into a strong sense of ego and self is one way of describing my positive growth. I would view any attempt to smash it to be abusive. Now if you learned to have a strong ego in the midst of other women who were trying to assert theirs, becoming flexible enough to work things out and see another person's POV, that to me is an ego becoming healthy, secure and strong. I think ego gets a really bad rap in spiritual traditions. (snip) Poor ego, get's a bad rap, all the time; he's always wrong about everything, and is usually, if not always, afraid of something; Afraid of his own power; afraid to succeed; afraid to fail; afraid to love; afraid to tell the truth; afraid of everything, imaginable...making up stuff, to be afraid about. Not in a healthy self-actualized or even moderately mature adult its not. My ego was never afraid of transcending. The ego relates to the mind. Then the mind gets transcended, and ego is lost. It finds itself, now, but does not identify with the mind anymore. It begins to identify more with consciousness, and begins the journey of seeing how: tThis cConsciousness, which he is part and parcel of, is the same consciousness, the animates and governs all of creation, then his ego is identified, with that which cannot be identified, the opposite of the mind's version of ego. When one realizes 'Mind Ego' then one becomes aware of something greater then one's own limited mind. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Whatever good Maharishi did -- for individuals and the world -- was undercut and rendered tragic for me by his last days, which were straight out of King Lear. He gathered around him all of the Rajas and all of the rich meditators and forced them to compete with each other Actually, didn't Lear learn his lesson at the end? Been a long time since I've read it. like Regan and Goneril and Ophelia Cordelia. Back to the books, Barry. :) Cordelia, Ophelia...all those whiny Shakespearean women looked the same. Who can keep them straight? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: -snip- Seems to me that a real Daddy would be happy when one of his kids grew up and left the nest. He wouldn't spend the next month in a funk, bad- mouthing the kid for leaving and making dire pronouncements about the kid going to hell and warning everyone not to listen to anything he said the way Maharishi did with these former students. never happened this way. just a twisted ego's remembrance. toxic spew - cemented in place with arrogance and fear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Whatever good Maharishi did -- for individuals and the world -- was undercut and rendered tragic for me by his last days, which were straight out of King Lear. He gathered around him all of the Rajas and all of the rich meditators and forced them to compete with each other Actually, didn't Lear learn his lesson at the end? Been a long time since I've read it. like Regan and Goneril and Ophelia Cordelia. Back to the books, Barry. :) Cordelia, Ophelia...all those whiny Shakespearean women looked the same. Who can keep them straight? :-) interesting freudian slip B. seeing as all these women were played by men on the stage, are you perhaps talking about yourself when musing, who can keep [me] straight?. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
Bhairitu wrote: In most other yogic traditions mantras for the general public are either Shiva or Shanti mantras because they are considered safe to give anyone. Giving goddess mantras is not considered safe for just anyone. That may explain the problems that I would say at least 20% of the practitioners experienced with TM. There are millions of Buddhists in the yogic tradition in which the bija mantras of Kwanyin, Tara, or Saraswati are given. In Tantric Buddhism the personification of 'Wisdom' is almost always Shakti. That's because only the Shakti - Wisdom aspect - can act for the benefit of the yogic practitioner. Because in India the male aspect of the Absolute are given out as bijas - Shiva - at least 99% of the practitioners experience problems, because Shiva is an aspect in stasis - cannot act. Tantric Hinduism is a topsy-turvey tradition - all mixed up. But in fact, the Saraswati bija is a Tantric Buddhist bija, which was overheard by some baba's at a yoga camp meet. The baba's, being stoned out to the max, got all confused, and failed to even realize that it is the Shakti that's brings the 'Shaktipat' - Shiva is static, can't do a single thing without the Shakti - meditating on Shiva's meme is a worthless endeavor. You might as well repeat 'I bow down to Mahesh'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMSP zombies; was spirituality spot found in brain
Vaj wrote: On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: snip Ever see the movie The Serpent and the Rainbow? A true story. I watched it again last night. I probably saw it years ago on VHS (yuck!). Right now it is available on FearNet in HD on Comcast OnDemand for free. If you see the movie blind and have some idea of the reality of voudoun--which is very much still alive in the US, esp. the New orleans area (although it's present in Chicago, Montreal and elsewhere)--it'll leave an impression on you won't soon forget. Esp. since much of it is historical fiction. It's available for rent and sale (9.99) on the iTunes store. The book is actually much better. I've not read his later Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie, but maybe I should add that one to the pile. :-) The extras on the movie The Skeleton Key are quite informative about the state of the practice of voodoo, hoodoo, etc. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397101/ I guess as a movie buff I was amused at comparing today's films with Wes Craven's production of Serpent and the Rainbow. Today's films would have had a happily ever after ending. Some folks might also recognize the much younger Paul Guilfoyle playing the pharmaceutical company guy who nowadays can be seen on CSI.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
An unsnippable post. As the only impartial member of FFL, I vote this post as a keeper, as one should be indexed as Is TM a Religion?. There are two aspects to the religion question. One is during the teaching does it look, smell and taste like a religion. Well, yes and no. It has aspects of a religion like the puja but during the initial 7 steps no worldview is presented, so no it's not a religion. Then there's the question of externally does it appear to be a religion? I think in what may be one of the best times for well worded threads and that Barry's post definitely hits the nail on the head. The head guy appears to believed it was a religion. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is very true, Stu, but I think it can be considered a mistake only if one's intent IS to create a religion. It seems to me that in the realm of traditions that seek enlightenment, a teacher has a clear- cut choice. Either he can focus on the enlight- enment of others, or he can focus on getting his followers to worship him. You can't do both. If you allow your students to become enlightened, or to be recognized as enlightened, then almost by definition they then become on a par with the teacher. Only a teacher who really cares more about the enlightenment of others than he cares about the exaltation of himself allows his students to be on the same plane that he is. I think that, in retrospect, it is clear that Maharishi sought to create a religion. What other reason could be proposed for the creation of the gaudy phalluses called Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility around the world? What can these phalluses actually DO to facilitate the enlightenment of others? Do you miraculously realize your enlightenment by circumabulating them? Will the mere sight of them release stress in the diligent seeker and bring them to their own real- ization? I think not. I think that their purpose was to attempt to create a religion with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as its focal point. Think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) being spent to erect these enormous dicks around the world. Now think of the number of people who could have been taught basic TM (and thus, theoretically at least, had a method of real- izing their own enlightenment provided to them) for the same amount of money. Now think about the word priorities. At the beginning of his teaching, Maharishi used to talk about the need to raise money so that TM could continue to be taught. At the end of it, the only thing he seemed to care about was how many phalluses could be built with his name on them. Call me a cynic, but I don't see that last desire on his part as having anything to do with wanting to bring enlightenment to others.
[FairfieldLife] What were the chances?
A little video of lucky (if unlikely) breaks. I particularly enjoyed the cops and robbers one. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7cmf3_chance_fun
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
Jytoishis will tell you that people can pass through several death periods throughout their lives. It is even possible that they may contract a fatal disease during one of these but not die until later. Most jyotishis can only see a propensity for death, again just a weather condition. IOW a weather report may say there is a strong chance of rain on Friday and Friday comes you see the storm clouds but they pass by without a drop of rain. You wouldn't feel the weatherman was all that wrong unless Friday was a blue sky without a cloud in the sky. In general most astrology teachers advise against telling a client the time of their death even if it is apparent and mostly for the reason given above. Generally jyotishis are encouraged to help people find a way out of up coming predicaments or give them remedials for a bad period they are currently experiencing. raunchydog wrote: Wanted Dead or Alive Simple Jyotish test: 1. Submit submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 deceased people. The astrologer has to predict within a year the person died. A few folks on the forum may know at least one person in their life and who has died and has their birth and death information, they would be willing to provide. 2. Submit the birth dates, time, place of 10 people who are alive. The astrologer has to predicts whether or not the person is dead or alive. If the astrologer thinks the person is dead he predicts the year of the death. 3. Balance the age of the samples. Deceased sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) Alive sample: 5 young (20 to 40) and 5 old (40 to 70) 4. Submit all 20 birth info to the astrologer. Tell his 10 people have died in the sample. All he has to do is pick ten people from the group and predict within the year the date they died. Admittedly, this may seem a little morbid, but the upside is that it doesn't leave much room for argument over shades of gray, the person is either dead or alive. -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
Richard Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: In most other yogic traditions mantras for the general public are either Shiva or Shanti mantras because they are considered safe to give anyone. Giving goddess mantras is not considered safe for just anyone. That may explain the problems that I would say at least 20% of the practitioners experienced with TM. There are millions of Buddhists in the yogic tradition in which the bija mantras of Kwanyin, Tara, or Saraswati are given. In Tantric Buddhism the personification of 'Wisdom' is almost always Shakti. That's because only the Shakti - Wisdom aspect - can act for the benefit of the yogic practitioner. Because in India the male aspect of the Absolute are given out as bijas - Shiva - at least 99% of the practitioners experience problems, because Shiva is an aspect in stasis - cannot act. Tantric Hinduism is a topsy-turvey tradition - all mixed up. But in fact, the Saraswati bija is a Tantric Buddhist bija, which was overheard by some baba's at a yoga camp meet. The baba's, being stoned out to the max, got all confused, and failed to even realize that it is the Shakti that's brings the 'Shaktipat' - Shiva is static, can't do a single thing without the Shakti - meditating on Shiva's meme is a worthless endeavor. You might as well repeat 'I bow down to Mahesh'. Uh Richard, that's the point. The Shiva and Shanti mantras are calming. The goddess mantras are stimulating. Most people are looking for a calming effect. Think about the picture of Kali standing with her foot on Shiva. What does that symbolize? It symbolizes the active and the passive (or yin and yang, etc.) Take your theory a few steps farther and you'll see that. Besides Om Nama Shivaya can be translated (though somewhat too literal) I bow down to Mahesh. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the chances?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: A little video of lucky (if unlikely) breaks. I particularly enjoyed the cops and robbers one. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7cmf3_chance_fun Thanks! Fantastic. The cops one was the best, what a surprise!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
just to clarify, you propose that the Maharishi thought he would found a religion on the basis of allowing his followers to erect a few monuments in his name? i seriously doubt this construction project will come to full fruition, anymore than the myriad projects of the TMO, Vedaland, tallest building in the world, university in Kansas, capitals of the A of E, etc, etc, etc, have. the Maharishi was not a personal guru, but for those around him, carrying out the work of his lifetime, which was to enlighten as many of us as possible, he was profoundly grateful. that they wanted to build monumental tributes to him was something he could not and would not reject at the end of his life. Barry's most unflattering interpretation of this last impulse of the Maharishi's heart springs from Barry's completely wack-o idea and belief that he is greater and wiser and more compassionate than the Maharishi ever was. this technical writer ex-pat, who never did much of anything outside of satisfying his own sensory pleasures and egoic desires, believes he of all of us, is greater than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, has more to offer, thinks more deeply, and is a better person overall. Barry is nothing more than an impulse here on FFL for us to lead our lives wisely, a cautionary tale in place for the rest of us to watch and beware, or ignore. little of what he says is of any value at all, and even for these motes of insight, he expects to be greatly lauded, this smallest of men. Barry Wright, the cosmic joke personified. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: An unsnippable post. As the only impartial member of FFL, I vote this post as a keeper, as one should be indexed as Is TM a Religion?. -snip-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
(snip) Not in a healthy self-actualized or even moderately mature adult its not. My ego was never afraid of transcending. (snip) This is a Gem. My ego isn't afraid to transcend... Wow. Beautifully put! Excellent! Bravo... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the chances?
Curtis, totally, right? I love it when they're surrounded and the whole gig is in the crapper and then the cops rush into the bank for the 211 in progress and the robbers demurely and quietly drive away. If those guys actually got away, I bet they love this video. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: A little video of lucky (if unlikely) breaks. I particularly enjoyed the cops and robbers one. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7cmf3_chance_fun Thanks! Fantastic. The cops one was the best, what a surprise!
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Nabs, you say this is for the naysayers. What's the point of the article? If I take the article at face value, which I do, you have an interesting article about a man who does jyotish. It also points out the subjective influence in doing jyotish. Also, any discussion of Princess Diana's jyotish after her death is completely moot. Post hoc discovery means nothing. Most jyotish discussion seem to be of this nature. They talk about how all the signs point towards some inevitable outcome that has already occurred! Again, let's see a jyotish prediction prior to it occurring! I have no illusions about convincing you about anything, it was posted for more openminded souls. However I'm surpriced that you missed the fact that Yogi Karve gave these details about someone who's name he did not know in advance, in this case Lady Diana. This is one of his unique talents, and perhaps a reason why Maharishi named him a SatPurusha. Anyway, Yogi Karve visited Vlodrop several times and would stay for a week or more. I remember him there in the end of the '80's, an illustrious soul indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Not in a healthy self-actualized or even moderately mature adult its not. My ego was never afraid of transcending. (snip) This is a Gem. My ego isn't afraid to transcend... Wow. Beautifully put! Excellent! Bravo... R.G. Are you winning word games of your own creation? Kinda douchey IMO. My post was in response to your claims about the fears of the ego. Your post was just another personal put down dressed up in spiritual garb. It appears to be one of the favorite ego trips for those on spiritual paths, to ridicule people who don't follow their language conventions used to make themselves feel special. Everybody on this board has had your precious transcending experience. We don't all speak about it in exactly the way that you do because some of us think about it differently now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proof to Judy I'm not a homophobe
What did you think all those saddles and boots were about? :-) Riding horses and walking? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: Barry's most unflattering interpretation of this last impulse of the Maharishi's heart springs from Barry's completely wack-o idea and belief that he is greater and wiser and more compassionate than the Maharishi ever was. Unfortunately you hit the nail headon in this one. I say unfortunately because I find it saddening that someone can be so full of venom and hate towards universal knowledge as the Turq and Vaj examplify. (This is just an example, Vaj never met Maharishi and the Turq was denied further access due to security concerns) Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. A past, and a glimpse into the Heaven on Earth in the company of The Yogi of Yogis so bitterly lost to arrogance and ego.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. I thing I learned on this forum is how the term moodmaking is such an insult. Kind of interesting. When I hear criticisms of MMY, some of which I make, I understand the reaction of the TB. Imagine if we talked about Jesus to Christians the way we talk about MMY? Not saying we shouldn't, just that the TBs must be horrified.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proof to Judy I'm not a homophobe
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:58 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: Here is more darshan from the patron saint of Austin, TX. I laughed what the TMO has left of my balls off watching this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4CXlIYjyE Hilarious. That's it exactly. What did you think all those saddles and boots were about? :-) Scoot boots and nice butts ensconced in dusty leather? Loved the twirling and dosados. I'm happy y'all enjoyed some of my adopted heritage. You see, I suffered from a birth defect for the first few decades of my life. I wasn't born in Texas. What's interesting is that I happened upon this video years ago and this was way before Enis and Jack hooked up together. When I said Darshan, I didn't completely get it. I had to sleep on it and just discovered it. In this video there's a burly cowboy who's got pigtails. I thought when I posted the URL that this was a young Willie Nelson. Then it hit me today. Willie Nelson wears a ponytail like many old time Austinites, right? No. Ponytails don't go down both sides of the back. Saint Willie has all these years been wearing pigtails. Perhaps Indian pigtails, but pigtails nonetheless. Good for him. He was signaling something I increasingly love about Austin as I get a stronger ego (I side with Curtis that we develop stronger egos and don't destroy or suffer dissolution of the one we have): that the place says to people I know what you're about. And I like you despite it all. As an aside, you can't imagine what it's like to be driving back into Austin late on Sunday night, perhaps from the weekend across the border in Mexico, turning on the radio and hearing Willie Nelson or some other singer. You listen but you've never heard that song before and never before without a supporting band. Then the announcer comes on and thanks Willie or whoever for stopping by. They say, well shoot, I just wandered into town tonight and thought I'd stop by. Though we have a dozen million dollar a piece apartment highrises going up downtown, yeah, it's still that kind of place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Everybody on this board has had your precious transcending experience. We don't all speak about it in exactly the way that you do because some of us think about it differently now. Ehm... curtis, for example; how did transcendentalism translate into hillbillyism in your own life ? And why do you think about it different now ?
[FairfieldLife] Shri Suktam chanted in FF
FW: The Sri Sukta Sahasravartan Parayan Sri MahaLakshmi Yagya, a special 3 day yagya, will begin at 7:00 pm on Friday, January 9 with Maha Lakshmi puja. Our goal is to chant the Sri Suktam 1016 times by Sunday evening, January 11 To achieve the goal, chanting the Sri Suktam 1016 times, we need a committed group of 20 25 people who have learned or are keen to learn the Sri Suktam. Each person will chant at least 40 times during the weekend. There will be group learning of the Shri Sukta on Wednesday and Thursday evenings at 8:00 pm. Chanting held at Morningstar Studio, east side of the FF square.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
Barry, all you've done is just display your ignorance of astrology. Blind charts and testing are done all the time in astrology. Just as much as you want to disprove astrology, astrologers are also keen to prove it's efficacy. Maybe if you spent some time reading up on the subject or trying your hand at it you might actually come up with some good tests. Many astrologers started out as skeptics and wound up being astrologers after they found some truth to it. We are constantly testing astrology and looking for its underlying principles and causes. As I've said before, often ones career path will be displayed in the chart. Many people often come to astrologers to find out if they are on the right career path. Some have been herded into something a family member wants them to do when they should be doing something entirely different (like an Indian dad who wants his son to be an engineer and the son has a chart that says he should be an artist and that's what he's always wanted to do). When Indian astrologer K.N. Rao was visiting in the US, the students in his class gave him Jeffery Dalmer's horoscope as a blind horoscope. I don't recall how accurate he was but seems to me he was successful in pointing out a pretty confused and dangerous individual. I'll dig through his books for the incident. But he was not happy they had given him that chart. In study groups people will bring charts to offer up to be discussed. They are usually given as being anonymous though sometimes they will offer a famous person's chart but also blindly to see if the class can interpret it properly. Often they will ask that those who happen to recognize the chart keep quiet. Go see if there is a jyotishis study group meeting in the community where you live and sit in. You might learn something. TurquoiseB wrote: I've been thinking about this subject a little in the wake of the JohnR debacle, so here is my proposal for what I think would be a valid test of the claims of Jyotish. I know that no one who is actually working in the field of Jyotish or astrology is ever likely to submit to this test, but wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Others who know more about the scientific method and the design of research protocols are welcome to add to my list below: 1. Establish a truly impartial set of judges who have no stake in the findings one way or another. The test data defined in #2 and #3 below will be sent to these judges and held privately until all of the analyses of individual charts are submitted by Jyotishi and astrologers. Then their predictions will be weighed against the test data and the results evaluated. 2. The test data consists of at least ten sets of blind birth data. None of the people whose birth data is supplied can be famous, so that their charts cannot be looked up and the identity of the person gleaned from the many public caches of birth data accessible to Jyotishi and astrologers. The test subjects will not be identified by name, or even by sex unless the Jyotishi/astrologers specify that they have to know the sex of the subject before doing an analysis of the chart. NO personal data or description of the subject or their lives will be provided at all, other than their birth data. 3. For each test subject, there has to be at least one major, significant, and verifiable past event that happened in their lives that is to be identi- fied by the Jyotishi/astrologer group. Each event has to be *concrete* and not hazy in any way. In other words, They had a successful, happy life is right out. It has to be more like, In 1996 this person gave birth to a healthy son or In 2004 this person was promoted to the presidency of a major company or In 2007 this person was diagnosed with cancer of a specific type and was successfully (or unsuccessfully) treated for it or In 1998 this person died, of this cause. Again, there can be nothing hazy or non-specific about each event, and each event must be so important in the life of an individual that it theoretically cannot be missed in a chart by someone who claims that such things are revealed there. In other words, for each chart there has to be a *major* event in that subject's life that to some extent stands out and tends to define that life. 4. The participating Jyotishi or astrologers have to spend time pouring over the charts themselves, with no other input, and then write up their anal- yses of the charts, trying to pinpoint what the major event in each subject's life was. The predic- tions have to be specific, using clear, no bullshit language. Multiple predictions are possible for each chart, but if multiple predictions are given, they will be weighted in the results such that a scattershot approach by the Jyotishi/astrologers in an attempt to cover all the bases will not be weighted as highly as a single prediction. 5. Each prediction has to include
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
Ehm... curtis, for example; how did transcendentalism translate into hillbillyism in your own life ? And why do you think about it different now ? I don't get why you think this is an insult to me Nabby. You might as well be calling me an Alaskan for how well this term relates to my background. But I hear your mean-spiritedness and your malevolent spirit loud and clear through your clumsy misuse of American terms. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Everybody on this board has had your precious transcending experience. We don't all speak about it in exactly the way that you do because some of us think about it differently now. Ehm... curtis, for example; how did transcendentalism translate into hillbillyism in your own life ? And why do you think about it different now ?
[FairfieldLife] Nice video montage of 2008 movie highlights
I've been playing catch up lately, trying to see the best films released this year, and damned if there weren't a few of them, more than I remember from recent years. This clip does a pretty good job of catching the high points of them: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/03/2008-movies-montage-video_n_155026.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL
Nabs, you say this is for the naysayers. What's the point of the article? If I take the article at face value, which I do, you have an interesting article about a man who does jyotish. It also points out the subjective influence in doing jyotish. Also, any discussion of Princess Diana's jyotish after her death is completely moot. Post hoc discovery means nothing. Most jyotish discussion seem to be of this nature. They talk about how all the signs point towards some inevitable outcome that has already occurred! Again, let's see a jyotish prediction prior to it occurring! --- On Sun, 1/4/09, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 4:59 AM Guruji with daughter heir Sanjeevani Karve - Mumbai Feb 2007 Guruji with Ganesh Mohan Singh, Bombay 2003 Shri krishna Gopinath or Guruji, is a unique phenomenon.. Since age 8 he has had the Sidhi (channel of divine perfection) or gift of being able to intuitively identify the time and date of birth of any individual. As well as correctly identifying the birth details, Guruji can identify events, both past and future, without recourse or reference to any external aids. It all happens inside his head. Shri Karve Guruji's gift of such a perception is ascribed to the Saakshaatkaar or revelation he obtained from the Vishwadarshanadevataa, the universal form of Lord Krishna, Vishnu avatar. Through his gift, Shri Karve Guruji provides spiritual and general guidance to needy people, helping them to deal with their problems. Guruji was born to a middle class brahmin family in Pune, India. His father was a Ghanapaathi (a particular way of chanting the Vedas) brahmin. Shri Karve considers his parents to be his primary gurus, who taught him the value of regular prayers, meditation and vedic rituals. Soon after the age of eight, Shri Karve met his guru or preceptor, by the name of Shri Ganesh Vishwanath Joshi, a blind astrologer from Pune, India, who taught him the nuances of Vedic Astrology. Shri Karve Guruji is an epitome of gentleness, kindness, generosity and sensitivity. He is a house holder with a wife, children and grandchildren and lives in extremely modest accommodations in a suburb of Bombay. He leads a very simple, austere life. devoted to visiting temples, shrines and meeting saintly people. He is almost on a permanent pilgrimage, traveling ceaselessly all over India. His detachment from worldly pursuits is extraordinary. He has no source of income and his wife runs the household through the small donations received from people who consult him. Sanjeevani (aka Pinky), his daughter, has this gift like him. Thousands of people including well-known politicians, industrialists, artists, etc have benefited from his guidance and advice. Karve Guruji is credited with innumerable startling predictions of all kinds. Shri. Karve Guruji has visited the Middle East and was invited by the Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, Institute of Vedanta Sanskrit, in the USA for spiritual discourses and for sharing his Jyotish knowledge in 1995 and 1997. In November 1997, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi graciously invited, received and felicitated Shri. Karve Guruji (and his daughter [Sanjeevani]) during the Diwali celebrations at Vlodrop Netherlands. Shri. Karve Guruji spent several days with the Maharishi. The Maharishi conferred a title of Satpurusha upon Shri. Karve Guruji. Shri. Karve Guruji is of a very secular outlook, not discriminating between paths to the divine offered by the several existing faiths and religions. To him, all such paths lead to the same goal of enlightenment. Shri. Karve Guruji promotes the saadhanaa or spiritual worship of the Vishvadarshanadevata or the Universal Divinity. His dream is to establish a temple of this divinity, open to people of all faiths and religions. Jyotish Mati Pragnya - My Experiences with Shri Karve Guruji During the time I spent with him doing hundreds of charts since I first met him in 1993, I have had the good fortune of seeing him use a blend of some very simple, elegant and yet subtle techniques (about 50% of the time) and intuition or insights (about 50% of the time). Shri. Karve Guruji may not have the training for complicated mathematics and astronomy, but he compensates this mostly with his saadhana and a partly with a phenomenal memory and an unusual ability for mental calculation. I doubt, if indeed there is any mechanics about doing what Shri. Karve Guruji is able to do. He is a sattvic blend of qualities, such as a constant orientation to the divine, saadhanaa, simplicity, austerity, humility, stoicism, detachment from bonds, erosion of the ego, compassion and understanding, strong foundation in the eternal philosophical principles and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttspli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The first thing that strikes me about what you say (and for the record I have no reason to disagree with any of it based on my own exper- ience in the distant TMO past) is that it is likely that the *result* of this is that NO ONE WILL *EVER* BE CERTIFIED AS ENLIGHTENED BY THE SPIRITUAL TRADITION CREATED BY MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI. snip I think your on to something Barry. I am reminded by a huge mistake John Smith made when he put together the Mormon religion. He allowed followers to have independent visions. In every major religion only the founder is allowed to have visions. Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Arjuna, for example all get to have their visions but followers are not to privy to the special powers. This is very true, Stu, but I think it can be considered a mistake only if one's intent IS to create a religion. It seems to me that in the realm of traditions that seek enlightenment, a teacher has a clear- cut choice. Either he can focus on the enlight- enment of others, or he can focus on getting his followers to worship him. You can't do both. If you allow your students to become enlightened, or to be recognized as enlightened, then almost by definition they then become on a par with the teacher. Only a teacher who really cares more about the enlightenment of others than he cares about the exaltation of himself allows his students to be on the same plane that he is. I think that, in retrospect, it is clear that Maharishi sought to create a religion. What other reason could be proposed for the creation of the gaudy phalluses called Maharishi Towers Of Invincibility around the world? What can these phalluses actually DO to facilitate the enlightenment of others? Do you miraculously realize your enlightenment by circumabulating them? Will the mere sight of them release stress in the diligent seeker and bring them to their own real- ization? I think not. I think that their purpose was to attempt to create a religion with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as its focal point. Think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) being spent to erect these enormous dicks around the world. Now think of the number of people who could have been taught basic TM (and thus, theoretically at least, had a method of real- izing their own enlightenment provided to them) for the same amount of money. Now think about the word priorities. At the beginning of his teaching, Maharishi used to talk about the need to raise money so that TM could continue to be taught. At the end of it, the only thing he seemed to care about was how many phalluses could be built with his name on them. Call me a cynic, but I don't see that last desire on his part as having anything to do with wanting to bring enlightenment to others.
[FairfieldLife] For the Jyotish naysayers on FFL
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
On Jan 4, 2009, at 2:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Whatever good Maharishi did -- for individuals and the world -- was undercut and rendered tragic for me by his last days, which were straight out of King Lear. He gathered around him all of the Rajas and all of the rich meditators and forced them to compete with each other Actually, didn't Lear learn his lesson at the end? Been a long time since I've read it. like Regan and Goneril and Ophelia Cordelia. Back to the books, Barry. :) in a contest to see who could praise him the most gloriously. I'm sorry, but in my book that's how tragic characters from a Shakespearean drama end their lives, not how enlightened beings end them. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:49 PM, I am the eternal wrote: But there are some positive notes. One is that no longer does the first 50 feet from the entrance look like a hospice. No longer are there men sitting on 10 (I shit you not) pieces of foam piled one on the other. No longer are men allowed to bundle up for bed in a chair ready for sleepy time in preparation for program. There seems to be a message that if you give the Dome a bad image by being an invalid or look like you came to slumber, then maybe you should not be in the Dome. This is very encouraging. Main, I take it you are not really saying that if someone has a legitimate disability, they shouldn't be in the Domes--are you? One of the more discouraging moments I had years ago was when one long-time TM teacher and MUM prof expressed pretty much exactly those sentiments. I knew at that point my days were numbered, it was such an incredibly heartless thing to say. Very sorry. I stated this wrongly and showed some old anger from years ago. No. If you have a disability, that's OK. People arrive with walkers, in scooters. That's totally OK. But not too many years ago (say 4) the first 50 feet of the dome from what had been the entrance doors to the south wall (north side was kiddie corner) there was a camp that looked like a cross between M.A.S.H. the movie and The Day After. There were so many people who turned their bad back into an excuse to pile up 10 pieces of foam, to have chairs from the stage stuffed with sleeping bags that they could cuddle up in (and this was Summer) in preparation to go to sleep when the bell rang to start program. The lazy and the slightly infirm made the place look like a squatters' camp. My heart sank and I wanted to turn back and leave the dome every time I had to go through this area. There has been a massive rehab of the dome including hiring professional cleaners to blow out all the duct work. Organic cotton sheets. Elimination of mold and mildew. Creation of a flying rectangle designated with darker yellow/gold sheets. Periodic clearing out of the dressing room and the dome. Years ago you couldn't find a place to sit or fly because people would leave the dome and all of their accumulated shit, including stuff which rotted and drew in creatures, just piled up. You'd dare not move someone's shit because just your luck some schmuck would return after a 6 month hiatus and yell at you at the top of his lungs during program that you were sitting in his spot. So that's gone. The dome is now very clear, very clean, very spiffy and the clientele are forced to keep up appearance that we're there to do program and not for slumber or triage. Yes, there are professional fliers living off the meager stipend, some are the salt of the earth and some are the lost souls who are living on the stipend. My suite is a focal point for many of these men scarcely getting by, as is the 4th Street Cafe, 4th St Cafe? You mean 2nd St, right? So much for clarity of thinking. Dude, there ain't but 4 or 5 streets in this entire town, or so it seems by someone who spends the night in KCMO on the way up and down from Texas. Yes. Bonnie's new place. You can identify me as the one ordering the bagel and lox, spanakopita and cocoa for late lunch. If you come in and I recognize you, sit down, get something, it's on me. This of course does not apply to anyone who's not on IA, as we have our orders to kill anyone without a dome badge (joke).** Georges and Vivos. These men just come to socialize. How dare they? Don't they know fun isn't allowed in the Home of all Knowledge? I was making a joke. It's very difficult to stretch that stipend to make it last for a month. So there are guys who make the rounds or have a sixth sense. They know if they happen to wander into Bonnie's place, Georges or Vivos and I'm there, I tell them to sit order a meal, I pick up the tab. My frig and pantry are stocked to the brim from Everybodys, the Dome Chalet, WallyWorld in Mt. Pleasant and HyVee. If you're on IA and you come to my place to chat, you'll be leaving with a bag of groceries. And I ain't saying that because I want my ego stroked. Only Rick knows who I am and he ain't talking. I just feel good offering nourishment to these pioneers and of course I am a bit gregarious. I'm sure /that/ facet of mine isn't obvious from my postings here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
Bhairitu wrote: Besides Om Nama Shivaya can be translated (though somewhat too literal) I bow down to Mahesh. There's on small problem here - 'Om Namah Shivaya' isn't a genuine 'bija' mantra - it's just a common Sanskrit phrase. So, you might as well just say to yourself 'I bow down to Mr. Varma' or 'I bow down to Pilot Guru'. Bija mantras are esoteric - they don't have any semantic meaning. If you've been doing this for any length of time then it's been wasted time. You can see what effect this had on the Swami Muktananda! The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
Robert wrote: In 'Bush/World' not only does 'power' equate with money, But, it also equates with 'Royalti' Like when he sucks the 'Royal Tit', at night, Laura's tit. That's nice. Nice thought.. Read between the lines, and you might see where I'm coming from. Come here King of Saudi Arabia, take my hand, and walk the promised land. I look into the eyes of the loyal soldiers, and know they suffer for the higher cause, to serve der Fuerer. Let me touch your hand, oh wounded wond, I shed a tear for you. My dark eyes look into those wounded eye, and I turn away, quickly. It's too painful, I pull away, quickly. I can duck a shoe, like the best of them. I can move out, and back where I belong. Come on Laura, let's leave this F'n place. F' yu, Georgie. R.G. L I assume you've seen W by Oliver Stone? He somewhat takes that track that Dubya is a reckless and irresponsible person and some think Dubya has inadvertently destroyed the Republican party. Webster Tarpley in his book on 9-11 suggests Dubya was out of the loop on 9-11 and was simply used by the inside conspirators. Dubya very much reminds me of many of the incompetent CEO's I've seen in the business world particularly in the tech industry. Many tech companies were founded by engineers and as they became publicly traded entities it was often decided to put a CEO who had business instead of engineering background into place. It was felt that engineers could not talk to bankers and stock analysts. The problem is that many of these CEO's didn't understand at all what the product the company made was all about nor any sense of where the market was going. The tech bust was a good example of this happening. A study of Silicon Valley companies done a few years back showed that the ones who retained their founders as CEO did better than the ones who hired a business mind for that position. And what do we have? The CEO of the USA being incompetent. Seems very karmic to me. Al Gore is a bit of tech geek. The tech bust might have been ameliorated if he had become president because he would have continued to promote the tech industry and its growth. It was said before the Bush administration took office by many political analysts that they represented old technology oil and didn't understand nor possibly even liked the new technologies. In fact I think that a lot of old conservative wealth didn't particularly like the new tech millionaires and billionaires as many did not share their political views and objectives. Now if Dubya inadvertently took out the wealthy (which may well be the case) then in the long run he might be viewed as a dark hero in history because a global collapse might be the cure to the wide discrepancy in wealth throughout the world. This may also be simply the end of the merchant's caste reign of running things which usually results in worker's revolutions and because they are even more incompetent causes even a worse situation leaving the intellectual caste to pick up the pieces along with help from the warrior caste. The intellectual caste is often too ideological and impractical so the warrior caste reins in the ambitious goals to make them practical but wind up restraining things too much for the merchant caste who take over and we are back to where we started. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary Wins New Yorker of the Year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: http://tinyurl.com/a7c9mk Another view: http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20090104
[FairfieldLife] A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
I've been thinking about this subject a little in the wake of the JohnR debacle, so here is my proposal for what I think would be a valid test of the claims of Jyotish. I know that no one who is actually working in the field of Jyotish or astrology is ever likely to submit to this test, but wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Others who know more about the scientific method and the design of research protocols are welcome to add to my list below: 1. Establish a truly impartial set of judges who have no stake in the findings one way or another. The test data defined in #2 and #3 below will be sent to these judges and held privately until all of the analyses of individual charts are submitted by Jyotishi and astrologers. Then their predictions will be weighed against the test data and the results evaluated. 2. The test data consists of at least ten sets of blind birth data. None of the people whose birth data is supplied can be famous, so that their charts cannot be looked up and the identity of the person gleaned from the many public caches of birth data accessible to Jyotishi and astrologers. The test subjects will not be identified by name, or even by sex unless the Jyotishi/astrologers specify that they have to know the sex of the subject before doing an analysis of the chart. NO personal data or description of the subject or their lives will be provided at all, other than their birth data. 3. For each test subject, there has to be at least one major, significant, and verifiable past event that happened in their lives that is to be identi- fied by the Jyotishi/astrologer group. Each event has to be *concrete* and not hazy in any way. In other words, They had a successful, happy life is right out. It has to be more like, In 1996 this person gave birth to a healthy son or In 2004 this person was promoted to the presidency of a major company or In 2007 this person was diagnosed with cancer of a specific type and was successfully (or unsuccessfully) treated for it or In 1998 this person died, of this cause. Again, there can be nothing hazy or non-specific about each event, and each event must be so important in the life of an individual that it theoretically cannot be missed in a chart by someone who claims that such things are revealed there. In other words, for each chart there has to be a *major* event in that subject's life that to some extent stands out and tends to define that life. 4. The participating Jyotishi or astrologers have to spend time pouring over the charts themselves, with no other input, and then write up their anal- yses of the charts, trying to pinpoint what the major event in each subject's life was. The predic- tions have to be specific, using clear, no bullshit language. Multiple predictions are possible for each chart, but if multiple predictions are given, they will be weighted in the results such that a scattershot approach by the Jyotishi/astrologers in an attempt to cover all the bases will not be weighted as highly as a single prediction. 5. Each prediction has to include the year that the event happened, or at the very minimum, a three-year range of years in which it happened. Again, a gen- eralized prediction like, This subject suffered some disease at some point in their adult life will be regarded as the bullshit it is and given no points in the results. 6. At the discretion of the judges, extra points can be awarded for specificity. That is, a prediction that a subject was diagnosed with a life-threatening disease in 1996 can be weighted lower than a predic- tion that the same subject was diagnosed with cancer of the liver in 1996, along with the accurate results of the treatment of that specific disease. 7. All submissions to the panel of judges are final, and will be made public. None of the participating Jyotishi/astrologers have the option of changing their predictions later or claiming afterwards that Oh, I really saw that but forgot to write it down. Claims like this will be regarded as the whining and sniveling they are, and the panel of judges may decide to deduct points from the Jyotishi or astrologer in question for trying to pull such a stunt. I'm sure that there are other protocols that could be specified, and I welcome others to specify them. The idea is to make the test FAIR to the Jyotishi and astrologers participating, but at the same time to remove ANY possibility of bullshit or hazy, non- verifiable predictions. Naturally, for obvious reasons, I would not participate in such a test as either a judge or a submitter of data, because whiners would claim that I was trying to trick them somehow by picking difficult cases. The same would be true of anyone submitting test data -- the panel of judges would have final say as to how fair a test case each submitted set of birth data is, and whether it should be included in the test. The way I see it, anyone who claims that Jyotish or astrology is a science should have NO PROBLEM with
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Spiritual Distractions] enlightenment is here and now
I am the eternal wrote: I apologize for my inability to snip and for posting on top instead of on the bottom, the more righteous way to reply. I can't snip because every word is masterful. Will go down in my book as one of the best ways of explaining it all. There are really no rules to this. Most of the rules about snipping and where you place your replies come from ancient days where people used 300 baud modems to read the Usenet. Hence even the use of memo format instead of friendly letter format for email. I still think it is quite quaint when someone sends me an email opening with Dear Bhairtu. I will sometime reply in accordance to the way that someone is posting their replies. If above then above if below then below unless the person is windy so I might want post above to save someone having to scroll through the original post's long winded thesis which they've probably already read. On Usenet newsgroups (which are becoming outdated and some ISP's have stopped supporting them) there are still subscribers that don't want you to snip because they want a whole log of the discussion rather than go through archives trying to find the thread. Others scream for the snip as if they are still reading using a 300 baud modem. Most all the complaints here come from folks using the Yahoo Groups website to read FFL. As compared to using an email client to read FFL there are far fewer options making some posts difficult to read. I will often snip to get to the gist of the post but sometime just to make any sense one can't snip at all. But I'm an non-conformist anyway and proud to be one! ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
Bhairitu wrote: The CEO of the USA being incompetent... Yeah, George W. Bush has an MBA and knows how to land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier and was the governor of a large state the size of most countries. How can that compare to a lawyer who wrote *two* memoirs and was a 'communtiy organizer' in South Chicago for ACORN and a U.S. Senator for almost two terms? There is a good reason there has not been any successful terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11. Maybe that's what it takes - a guy like George W. Bush to call up the reserves and go on the offensive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. I thing I learned on this forum is how the term moodmaking is such an insult. Kind of interesting. When I hear criticisms of MMY, some of which I make, I understand the reaction of the TB. Well written and I respect what you say. Unfortunately you did not get my point. There are no TB's here except Buddhist fundamentalists bent on disapprooving anything His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Shri Shri Brahmanandha Saraswathi of Jyothir Math ever did, said or wrote. My comments was a comment to the fact that was easily observed by those present at the time; many Buddhists's who came into contact with His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Europe and the USA in the 60's somehow freaked out because they understood Him, knowledwise, to represent the Living Buddha. Rightly so. Many of these fellows where rather advanced souls. In this please understand that I stress the word represent; I am not saying that Maharishi is or ever pretended to be the Buddha. Yet it created a fear in many Buddhists that His Holiness would claim that role. As you know, He did not. Does He represent The Buddha in all He did ? Yes, obviously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Yep. 10,000 um flyers would create world peace. Damn your careers, yes. Wow...I know you're being sarcastic, but I wonder: does anyone really buy this anymore? Do people really believe that Fairfield Iowa and Vlodrop are the epicenter of the universe? That any still do is utterly amazing. Thanks for putting this into words, Geez. That's exactly what's been striking me lately, hearing from the TBs all of this word-for-word, catechism-like repetition of the bullshit we realized was bullshit 30 years ago. 30 years gives you some perspective. Reading FFL, I find myself in a pretty much constant state of wonder that people still believe the things they say here. It's like stepping back into a time machine and going back to the 70s. In light of our group guidelines to only speak that which is sweet, I will say that I disregard the posts of geezer. But Barry, I expect better from you. I posted the words, I was not being ironic or sarcastic and I am starting to get the feeling that those who post what others don't agree with are given the designation TB. Yes, I was there for the Taste of Utopia. I was there for the emergency WPA Maharishi called before the SF earthquake and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Damned right I will sponsor as many people as I can afford and I will throw my career to the wind if given the opportunity of being a member of 10,000 or more assembled for a year. I'm not sure how the ME works, because it certainly doesn't seem to apply to MUM or FF. But there is some non-linear chaotic function there that does work and have power. I am right here offering to anyone who is still in good graces of the TMO who doesn't have the wherewithall to join 10,000 for a year to contact me. I am dead serious, and yes, after 30 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
shaddai, your courageous heart is wonderful to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Yep. 10,000 um flyers would create world peace. Damn your careers, yes. Wow...I know you're being sarcastic, but I wonder: does anyone really buy this anymore? Do people really believe that Fairfield Iowa and Vlodrop are the epicenter of the universe? That any still do is utterly amazing. Thanks for putting this into words, Geez. That's exactly what's been striking me lately, hearing from the TBs all of this word-for-word, catechism-like repetition of the bullshit we realized was bullshit 30 years ago. 30 years gives you some perspective. Reading FFL, I find myself in a pretty much constant state of wonder that people still believe the things they say here. It's like stepping back into a time machine and going back to the 70s. In light of our group guidelines to only speak that which is sweet, I will say that I disregard the posts of geezer. But Barry, I expect better from you. I posted the words, I was not being ironic or sarcastic and I am starting to get the feeling that those who post what others don't agree with are given the designation TB. Yes, I was there for the Taste of Utopia. I was there for the emergency WPA Maharishi called before the SF earthquake and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Damned right I will sponsor as many people as I can afford and I will throw my career to the wind if given the opportunity of being a member of 10,000 or more assembled for a year. I'm not sure how the ME works, because it certainly doesn't seem to apply to MUM or FF. But there is some non-linear chaotic function there that does work and have power. I am right here offering to anyone who is still in good graces of the TMO who doesn't have the wherewithall to join 10,000 for a year to contact me. I am dead serious, and yes, after 30 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The CEO of the USA being incompetent... Yeah, George W. Bush has an MBA and knows how to land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier The fact that you think he landed that plane explains a lot about your Bush loyalty despite the mountains of evidence that he has been on of our worst presidents ever. Did you see President Bush land on the aircraft carrier? President Bush told reporters on the carrier after he landed that the pilot actually let him fly the plane for a little bit. In a related story, Dick Cheney said that he once let President Bush run the country for a few minutes. Conan O'Brien and was the governor of a large state the size of most countries. How can that compare to a lawyer who wrote *two* memoirs and was a 'communtiy organizer' in South Chicago for ACORN and a U.S. Senator for almost two terms? There is a good reason there has not been any successful terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11. Maybe that's what it takes - a guy like George W. Bush to call up the reserves and go on the offensive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. I thing I learned on this forum is how the term moodmaking is such an insult. Kind of interesting. When I hear criticisms of MMY, some of which I make, I understand the reaction of the TB. Well written and I respect what you say. Unfortunately you did not get my point. There are no TB's here except Buddhist fundamentalists bent on disapprooving anything His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Shri Shri Brahmanandha Saraswathi of Jyothir Math ever did, said or wrote. My comments was a comment to the fact that was easily observed by those present at the time; many Buddhists's who came into contact with His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Europe and the USA in the 60's somehow freaked out because they understood Him, knowledwise, to represent the Living Buddha. Rightly so. Many of these fellows where rather advanced souls. In this please understand that I stress the word represent; I am not saying that Maharishi is or ever pretended to be the Buddha. Yet it created a fear in many Buddhists that His Holiness would claim that role. As you know, He did not. Does He represent The Buddha in all He did ? Yes, obviously. really wise post-- thanks. funny about the buddhists feeling more comfortable about worshipping a dead guy than revering a live one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: NOT ONE! Areed Turq, the TMO has not produced one enlightened personaccording to the powers that be conception of enlightenment. (snip) What about Shri Shri Ravi Shankar...is he regarded as enlightened, By, the powers that be? I remember, one time, when Maharishi was visiting Fairfield, and they were starting to build the first dome. Bramacharya Shankar, was sitting, 'In the Dome', chanting the Vedas... At the time, it was far too cold to be outside, for any length of time, as it felt like it was about minus ten degrees outside. The dome hadn't been completed yet, and Ravi was shaking with cold, by the time Maharishi finally came to bless the dome. I didn't know who Ravi was, at the time, but the image of him, outside, all that time, wearing nothing but a dhoti and a blanket, impresses me, to this day. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Yep. 10,000 um flyers would create world peace. Damn your careers, yes. Wow...I know you're being sarcastic, but I wonder: does anyone really buy this anymore? Do people really believe that Fairfield Iowa and Vlodrop are the epicenter of the universe? That any still do is utterly amazing. Thanks for putting this into words, Geez. That's exactly what's been striking me lately, hearing from the TBs all of this word-for-word, catechism-like repetition of the bullshit we realized was bullshit 30 years ago. 30 years gives you some perspective. Reading FFL, I find myself in a pretty much constant state of wonder that people still believe the things they say here. It's like stepping back into a time machine and going back to the 70s. In light of our group guidelines to only speak that which is sweet, I will say that I disregard the posts of geezer. But Barry, I expect better from you. I posted the words, Blame Yahoo for the attribution, not me. I was replying to a post from geexerfreak, agreeing with some of the words in it, in particular the line about does anyone believe this stuff? If he wrote that, I was agreeing with him. If you wrote it, I was agreeing with you. I was not being ironic or sarcastic and I am starting to get the feeling that those who post what others don't agree with are given the designation TB. Yes, I was there for the Taste of Utopia. I was there for the emergency WPA Maharishi called before the SF earthquake and the fall of the Berlin Wall. None of these courses or special flying groups or whatever they were mean anything to me. I remember the SF earthquake and the fall of the Berlin Wall, but not as in any way related to the TM movement. Those were events that happened in the real world and were in no way related to anything that the TM movement did or didn't do, as far as I can tell. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. If you believe that there is some kind of relationship, I have no problem with you believing that, but don't ask me to. Damned right I will sponsor as many people as I can afford and I will throw my career to the wind if given the oppor- tunity of being a member of 10,000 or more assembled for a year. Cool. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not sure how the ME works, because it certainly doesn't seem to apply to MUM or FF. I don't think it works at all. But I don't care if you believe differently. As I said earlier, I am still *amazed* that people believe this stuff, but I am amazed by many things that people believe. But there is some non-linear chaotic function there that does work and have power. That is your belief and you are welcome to hold it. Just don't ask me to share it. I am right here offering to anyone who is still in good graces of the TMO who doesn't have the wherewithall to join 10,000 for a year to contact me. I am dead serious, and yes, after 30 years. Whatever floats your boat. I think it's cool that you put your money and your time where your belief is. My belief isn't there, so talking to me about this stuff is kinda silly. I was replying to an old friend from 30 years ago. I was neither speaking to you or about you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually Invincible America the Worl
Dude? Is the Kundalini Vidya a book? Can I get it on Amazon? I would like to read it. I told y'all that one of the things I'm grateful for from Maharishi is FFL, which opens me to new ways at looking at things. And I relish this, and am happy that the vibes I give off are such that I've been able to silence Nabby in attacking me in my seeking while going to the Dome. What you don't know about, Vaj is how I am overcome for the past year and a half. Overcome with such kundalini. It flows from below my feet, up my spine like an oil gusher, blows up my head, blows through my head, up into the air above me, loops back down and does it again. If I graphed it out it would look like a picture of magnetic flux. I have the world's biggest ego that continues to grow. Fire cannot burn it nor water quench it. Or that's the way it feels. And there is this vast infinity and delight and wherever I look it's me looking back at me. I was just telling Rick that though I will cling to life for every minute God gives me, I feel that I have accomplished more than what I set out to do, never intending on Enlightenment and never caring to attain it, whatever it is. I can die a happy, fulfilled man before I get to push Send on this email. So there you, actually I, am, proclaiming that I am a TB who has lost his way and is brainwashed. Here am I, allowing the fingers to hit the keyboard while I sit and bask and witness everything going on in bliss. Call me what you want. Call me self-deceived. Call me whatever. I am one of those people who graduated, and there was no one there but me. What have I graduated to? I don't care. It's much better than being 16 years old with bottles of viagra and 70 nubile virgins a day, I'll tell you that much. So help me if you wish. I will accept your help. Help me understand this vast gift I am living if the spirit moves you. But understand this bliss is just so wonderful. And it ain't mood makin'. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 3:09 PM, I am the eternal wrote: In light of our group guidelines to only speak that which is sweet, I will say that I disregard the posts of geezer. But Barry, I expect better from you. I posted the words, I was not being ironic or sarcastic and I am starting to get the feeling that those who post what others don't agree with are given the designation TB. Yes, I was there for the Taste of Utopia. I was there for the emergency WPA Maharishi called before the SF earthquake and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Damned right I will sponsor as many people as I can afford and I will throw my career to the wind if given the opportunity of being a member of 10,000 or more assembled for a year. I'm not sure how the ME works, because it certainly doesn't seem to apply to MUM or FF. But there is some non-linear chaotic function there that does work and have power. I am right here offering to anyone who is still in good graces of the TMO who doesn't have the wherewithall to join 10,000 for a year to contact me. I am dead serious, and yes, after 30 years. Hearing you say this, I actually feel sorry for you. Have you not heard of the yogis who've examined the long-term sidhas and how screwed up they were/are? I'm tempted to buy YOU Kundalini Vidya, which describes much of what you see in the dome and your sidha pals, but I doubt you'd even read it. You're sold. The designation TB has two meaning for me: TMO TB's, people who swallow the whole hook-line-and-sinker of TMO products and services and TM TB's who are adamant defendants of TM and/or the TMSP as a spiritual practice. So don't feel all bad when you get called a TB. There's still hope. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] 'President Warrior Vs. President Priest'
'With the ending of the Bush adminstration, we will see who is better fit to lead... An arm chair warrior, who sees things in terms of black and white, and good and evil... Or a Priest, who will be a righteous and honest peace-maker, and bringer of harmony...at least that is his intention. We'll see why the founding fathers wanted our country to be run by civilians and not the military. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Bush Caught Cheating on Wife....I knew it!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Spiritual Distractions] enlightenment is here and now
Bhairitu wrote: There are really no rules to this... Top posting is the way to go. That way, the reader doesn't have to scroll down to read 'Me too!' at the bottom. It's almost always better to 'snip' - that way, you can read just the pertinent reply. It's much more effective. Yahoo! Groups sucks as a news reader. Without snipping and formatting, the messages are just often to painful to read. The pros seem to be Barry and Judy - now those two really know how to format a dialog! Credit where credit is due. What's really aggravating are those posters who like to change the subject line - that makes searching a real chore, if you want to read the message in context and follow the thread. The worst are those who think they need to key in the whole message on the subject line. Hey, while you were posting messages that begin with RE: and end on one line, I wrote a whole book and posted it to a.m.t. - 6,480 messages! Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: willytex http://tinyurl.com/7x9zew I am the eternal wrote: I apologize for my inability to snip and for posting on top instead of on the bottom, the more righteous way to reply. I can't snip because every word is masterful. Will go down in my book as one of the best ways of explaining it all. There are really no rules to this. Most of the rules about snipping and where you place your replies come from ancient days where people used 300 baud modems to read the Usenet. Hence even the use of memo format instead of friendly letter format for email. I still think it is quite quaint when someone sends me an email opening with Dear Bhairtu. I will sometime reply in accordance to the way that someone is posting their replies. If above then above if below then below unless the person is windy so I might want post above to save someone having to scroll through the original post's long winded thesis which they've probably already read. On Usenet newsgroups (which are becoming outdated and some ISP's have stopped supporting them) there are still subscribers that don't want you to snip because they want a whole log of the discussion rather than go through archives trying to find the thread. Others scream for the snip as if they are still reading using a 300 baud modem. Most all the complaints here come from folks using the Yahoo Groups website to read FFL. As compared to using an email client to read FFL there are far fewer options making some posts difficult to read. I will often snip to get to the gist of the post but sometime just to make any sense one can't snip at all. But I'm an non-conformist anyway and proud to be one! ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. I thing I learned on this forum is how the term moodmaking is such an insult. Kind of interesting. When I hear criticisms of MMY, some of which I make, I understand the reaction of the TB. Well written and I respect what you say. Unfortunately you did not get my point. There are no TB's here except Buddhist fundamentalists bent on disapprooving anything His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Shri Shri Brahmanandha Saraswathi of Jyothir Math ever did, said or wrote. My comments was a comment to the fact that was easily observed by those present at the time; many Buddhists's who came into contact with His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Europe and the USA in the 60's somehow freaked out because they understood Him, knowledwise, to represent the Living Buddha. Rightly so. Many of these fellows where rather advanced souls. In this please understand that I stress the word represent; I am not saying that Maharishi is or ever pretended to be the Buddha. Yet it created a fear in many Buddhists that His Holiness would claim that role. As you know, He did not. Does He represent The Buddha in all He did ? Yes, obviously. I always felt, that Maharishi was more like Socrates, and that he was still pissed that he drank the poison in that lifetime... And was also pissed off, that the Socratic method of teaching, was a rarity in school, those days, and these days, too... And that there is little left of what Socrates taught. So, this time around, he wanted to make sure, no one could ever forget him... He's pasted his picture in every corner of the world, and has associated himself, and his picture, with 'The Teaching'... R.G. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM
Richard Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Besides Om Nama Shivaya can be translated (though somewhat too literal) I bow down to Mahesh. There's on small problem here - 'Om Namah Shivaya' isn't a genuine 'bija' mantra - it's just a common Sanskrit phrase. So, you might as well just say to yourself 'I bow down to Mr. Varma' or 'I bow down to Pilot Guru'. Bija mantras are esoteric - they don't have any semantic meaning. If you've been doing this for any length of time then it's been wasted time. You can see what effect this had on the Swami Muktananda! The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere. Mantras for the general public are not bij mantras, Richard. In fact the use of bij mantras are frowned upon. You are confused if you think that only bij mantras should be used for meditation. In fact there is another meaning to bij mantra in that it also means the guru mantra because it is the seed or key which can be used to enliven other mantras. And guru mantras are unlikely to be single word mantras. Hope that helps with the confusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Bush Caught Cheating on Wife....I knew it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: uh- this looks like spam... Yeah, I've been pondering his participation on FFL. Looking at his posting history, he does actually read and respond, so he's not *just* a hit-and-run spammer. But, it does seem like most of his posts are canned self-promotion. The reason I've not done anything, as a moderator, is that it he's not promoting a commercial enterprise. It's sufficiently gray area that I'm just gonna let Rick handle this one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespeech@ wrote: http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
i can't say whether or not bush could land a plane, since i am not a pilot, and am kind of in awe of that skill. however i am always astonished by the claim that bush supporters make that there hasn't been ANOTHER 9-11 on US soil since GW has been in office. just grand-- he fucked up worse than any president in history by allowing 9-11, but didn't do it TWICE. bravo. PS i read your other reply to my post curtis but didn't have anything more to say, but appreciated the reply nonetheless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willytex@ wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The CEO of the USA being incompetent... Yeah, George W. Bush has an MBA and knows how to land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier The fact that you think he landed that plane explains a lot about your Bush loyalty despite the mountains of evidence that he has been on of our worst presidents ever. Did you see President Bush land on the aircraft carrier? President Bush told reporters on the carrier after he landed that the pilot actually let him fly the plane for a little bit. In a related story, Dick Cheney said that he once let President Bush run the country for a few minutes. Conan O'Brien and was the governor of a large state the size of most countries. How can that compare to a lawyer who wrote *two* memoirs and was a 'communtiy organizer' in South Chicago for ACORN and a U.S. Senator for almost two terms? There is a good reason there has not been any successful terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11. Maybe that's what it takes - a guy like George W. Bush to call up the reserves and go on the offensive.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
Richard Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: The CEO of the USA being incompetent... Yeah, George W. Bush has an MBA and knows how to land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier and was the governor of a large state the size of most countries. First off I don't recall that Dubya landed the fighter. He just flew in on one. And anyone can be a bad governor of a large state. I know, we have a bad one in office here in Kaulifornia. :-D How can that compare to a lawyer who wrote *two* memoirs and was a 'communtiy organizer' in South Chicago for ACORN and a U.S. Senator for almost two terms? Obama can speak a sentence without making a mistake. Obama is a diplomat and Dubya is a joke. Obama's successful career make Dubya's failed careers pale by comparison. But maybe up is down for you? There is a good reason there has not been any successful terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11. Maybe that's what it takes - a guy like George W. Bush to call up the reserves and go on the offensive. I doubt it. One can argue that after 9-11 the agencies that should have caught the event and prevented started doing their jobs. But I also think that if anything the 9-11 truth movement aided very much in making people vigilant about any attack attempt be it from a foreign entity or internally. So much so that they may have thwarted future attacks as it made harder to create diversions doing them and raised the possibility of being caught red handed. In fact I sometimes think that the 9-11 truth movement might have been aided and abetted by government agencies to that end.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Bush Caught Cheating on Wife....I knew it!
One of these obsessive-compulsive endless explainers of transcendent knowledge whether you want to listen or not. --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Bush Caught Cheating on WifeI knew it! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 3:51 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: uh- this looks like spam... Yeah, I've been pondering his participation on FFL. Looking at his posting history, he does actually read and respond, so he's not *just* a hit-and-run spammer. But, it does seem like most of his posts are canned self-promotion. The reason I've not done anything, as a moderator, is that it he's not promoting a commercial enterprise. It's sufficiently gray area that I'm just gonna let Rick handle this one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespeech@ wrote: http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
I learned from someone in Arizona, a technique called: Kriya Kundalini Pranayama... Part of the technique, was to start with three OM's, said for as long as you could hold it. The OM's were supposed to represent Shiva. Then, you would say, out loud, for as long as you could, EEM sound, which would represent Shakti... Three OM's, then three EEM's... That's it. The OM's were supposed to open the third eye, and the EEM's were the feminine aspect, the energy from the back of the head, opposite the third eye...so this toning was supposed to vibrate the third eye, both still and active. Good for toning and extending the ability to hold a tone in a natural voice, and is good for excersizing the singing voice... R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Unfortunately you hit the nail headon in this one. I say unfortunately because I find it saddening that someone can be so full of venom and hate towards universal knowledge as the Turq and Vaj examplify. (This is just an example, Vaj never met Maharishi and the Turq was denied further access due to security concerns) Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. A past, and a glimpse into the Heaven on Earth in the company of The Yogi of Yogis so bitterly lost to arrogance and ego. Yes, Nabs, you have that arrogance and ego thing nailed!! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Suktam chanted in FF
Wow! that's a lot to memorize in a short time. --- On Sun, 1/4/09, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shri Suktam chanted in FF To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 2:26 PM FW: The Sri Sukta Sahasravartan Parayan Sri MahaLakshmi Yagya, a special 3 day yagya, will begin at 7:00 pm on Friday, January 9 with Maha Lakshmi puja. Our goal is to chant the Sri Suktam 1016 times by Sunday evening, January 11 To achieve the goal, chanting the Sri Suktam 1016 times, we need a committed group of 20 – 25 people who have learned or are keen to learn the Sri Suktam. Each person will chant at least 40 times during the weekend. There will be group learning of the Shri Sukta on Wednesday and Thursday evenings at 8:00 pm. Chanting held at Morningstar Studio, east side of the FF square. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
Robert wrote: I learned from someone in Arizona... Very impressive, Robert. I had to go all the way to downtown Los Angeles to get this knowledge!
Re: [FairfieldLife] A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Barry, all you've done is just display your ignorance of astrology. Blind charts and testing are done all the time in astrology. Just as much as you want to disprove astrology, astrologers are also keen to prove it's efficacy. Maybe if you spent some time reading up on the subject or trying your hand at it you might actually come up with some good tests. Many astrologers started out as skeptics and wound up being astrologers after they found some truth to it. We are constantly testing astrology and looking for its underlying principles and causes. As I've said before, often ones career path will be displayed in the chart. Many people often come to astrologers to find out if they are on the right career path. Some have been herded into something a family member wants them to do when they should be doing something entirely different (like an Indian dad who wants his son to be an engineer and the son has a chart that says he should be an artist and that's what he's always wanted to do). When Indian astrologer K.N. Rao was visiting in the US, the students in his class gave him Jeffery Dalmer's horoscope as a blind horoscope. I don't recall how accurate he was but seems to me he was successful in pointing out a pretty confused and dangerous individual. I'll dig through his books for the incident. But he was not happy they had given him that chart. In study groups people will bring charts to offer up to be discussed. They are usually given as being anonymous though sometimes they will offer a famous person's chart but also blindly to see if the class can interpret it properly. Often they will ask that those who happen to recognize the chart keep quiet. Go see if there is a jyotishis study group meeting in the community where you live and sit in. You might learn something. Yeah, Barry, you might learn something about a fictitious science based on gullibility and ooga-booga. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Robert wrote: I learned from someone in Arizona... Very impressive, Robert. I had to go all the way to downtown Los Angeles to get this knowledge! Never been there, so I wouldn't know, what you mean by downtown L.A. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation reduces ADHD symptoms among students: New study
Transcendental Meditation reduces ADHD symptoms among students: New study Dissatisfaction with medication spurs interest in meditation [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tr.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11504.php?from=128053 IMAGE: http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11504.php?from=128053 Transcendental meditation reduces ADHD symptoms among students, according to a new study. Click here for more information. http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11504.php?from=128053 [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_bl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_br.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] The Transcendental Meditation technique may be an effective and safe non-pharmaceutical aid for treating ADHD, according to a promising new study published this month in the peer-reviewed online journal Current Issues in Education http://cie.asu.edu/volume10/number2/index.html . The pilot study followed a group of middle school students with ADHD who were meditating twice a day in school. After three months, researchers found over 50 percent reduction in stress and anxiety and improvements in ADHD symptoms. Effect exceeds expectations The effect was much greater than we expected, said Sarina J. Grosswald, Ed.D., a George Washington University-trained cognitive learning specialist and lead researcher on the study. The children also showed improvements in attention, working memory, organization, and behavior regulation. Grosswald said that after the in-school meditation routine began, teachers reported they were able to teach more, and students were able to learn more because they were less stressed and anxious. Stress interferes with the ability to learn Prior research shows ADHD children have slower brain development and a reduced ability to cope with stress. Stress interferes with the ability to learnit shuts down the brain, said William Stixrud, Ph.D., a Silver Spring, Maryland, clinical neuropsychologist and co-author of the study. [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_tr.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11506.php?from=128053 VIDEO: http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11506.php?from=128053 Four middle school students with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder were interviewed prior to learning the Transcendental Meditation technique, and again 3 months later. They first describe... Click here for more information. http://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/11506.php?from=128053 [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_bl.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/corner_br.jpg] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] [http://www.eurekalert.org/images/clear.gif] Medication for ADHD is very effective for some children, but it is marginally or not effective for others. Even for those children who show improved symptoms with the medication, the improvement is often insufficient or accompanied by troubling side effects, Stixrud said. Virtually everyone finds it difficult to pay attention, organize themselves and get things done when they're under stress. So it stands to reason that the TM technique which reduces stress and organizes brain function would reduce ADHD symptoms. While in some cases a child cannot function without medication, there is growing concern about the health risks and side effects associated with the common ADHD medications, including mood swings, insomnia, tics, slowed growth, and heart problems. In 2006 the FDA required manufacturers to place warning labels on ADHD medications, listing the potential serious health risks. These high risks and growing concerns are fueling parents' search for alternatives that may be safer for their kids. The study was conducted in a private K-12 school for children with language-based learning disabilities. Participation was restricted to 10 students, ages 11-14, who had
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Robert wrote: I learned from someone in Arizona... Very impressive, Robert. I had to go all the way to downtown Los Angeles to get this knowledge! Now I remember the guy's name, from whom I learned this: Saraswati, was the name said. He had traveled around the world, to find the most powerful technque he could find to raise the kundalini, and found this breath technique. He might have also learned about the OM and the EEm, in downtown L.A., who knows? But, anyway, I learned it from him in Sedona, in 1992; don't know if he still resides there or not. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A proposed test of Jyotish/astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Bhairitu wrote: -snip- Go see if there is a jyotishis study group meeting in the community where you live and sit in. You might learn something. Yeah, Barry, you might learn something about a fictitious science based on gullibility and ooga-booga. Sal careful Sal, Barry claims to have seen someone levitate many, many times. so i don't think you want to go the gullibility and ooga booga route with him. oh, wait, did i point out an inconsistency in his/your ego trip?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
Yeah, George W. Bush has an MBA and knows how to land a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier Curtis wrote: The fact that you think he landed that plane explains a lot about your Bush loyalty despite the mountains of evidence that he has been on of our worst presidents ever. Well, I'm convinced that George W. Bush knows how to land a plane and with a little practice he could probably land one on an aircraft carrier. It has nothing to do about 'Bush loyalty'. There's no 'mountain of evidence' that Bush has been one of our worst presidents ever - that's just your opinion. Over 50% of voters chose Bush AFTER the Iraq invasion - 47% of voters voted in favor of McCain in the last election. That is, unless you think the majority of U.S. voters are stupid. If there was a 'mountain of evidence', I guess the voters would have seen it. If Obama had seen it, then he probably wouldn't have asked Clinton to be SoS or Gates to remain as SoD. That is, unless you think Obama is stupid. There's not much to make me think that Clinton, Gates, or Obama don't support the war against the terrorists. But it remains to be seen if the 'surge' in Afghanistan will win the war. So, where is the mountain of evidence, Curtis?
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Spiritual Distractions] enlightenment is here and now
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Richard Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are really no rules to this... Top posting is the way to go. That way, the reader doesn't have to scroll down to read 'Me too!' at the bottom. It's almost always better to 'snip' - that way, you can read just the pertinent reply. It's much more effective. Yahoo! Groups sucks as a news reader. Without snipping and formatting, the messages are just often to painful to read. The pros seem to be Barry and Judy - now those two really know how to format a dialog! Credit where credit is due. I thank y'all kindly for your words on this. Now I look at this from my own unique viewpoint, which is that I post and read using the Firefox with Google plugins Gmail interface. For me it's optimal if someone snips because I have an hellacious time finding someone's reply when I have to scroll through 5 pages of 4 levels of embed. Gmail threads the posts very nicely. For me bottom of the post is the best place to reply. I don't like that Gmail overfills lines so that when someone quotes me the formatting goes to Hell. Those of you not using Gmail may be as surprised as I am about the font being used by the poster. When I go to spellcheck I'm told by Gmail that it can't spellcheck the Urdu or the Islandic or some language/font I've never heard of. When you read you think everybody's an American. There's scarcely the Queen's English use of nouns as plural, as in the TMO have, so you don't even get the clue that there's even a varient on American called English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: I hear you, sister. When I first met Maharishi in the summer of 1972 I exploded into infinity. Came back about twenty minutes later, but wow! I can joke and pretend to make light of it in posts like this, but my God, everything becomes different after that. Something has so fundamentally changed in you, that there is never a turning back. No matter what the relative nonsense might be, no matter how shocking to the mind/ego and how absolutely valid on this level it might be, you know, as Maharishi said once, in your heart who he is. Just amazing. Wonderful. Thank you for posting this Peter.
[FairfieldLife] Five-star review
Having read about the plot, I hadn't really wanted to see Sam Mendes' Revolutionary Road. But I figured that in light of an article I'm writing, I should see it because both Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet are lauded for their performances. It was just that the concept -- two people stuck in the American suburbs in the 1950s and hating their lives and taking it out on each other -- struck me as possibly the most boring thing in the world. I was wrong. *Watching a movie* about two people stuck in the American suburbs in the 1950s and hating their lives and taking it out on each other is the most boring thing in the world. I feel fortunate that I was watching it at home and could multitask on other things while it was playing. Otherwise it would have been two precious hours of my life completely wasted. As it was, I got to brush the dogs, trim their nails, vacuum my living room, and write letters to four friends. I give these activities five stars, the movie none.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
The Vedic Atom was a boiling cauldron of 10 rigidly inflexible egos with strong personalities all bumping into each other until there wasn't much left of one's ego but a gooey mush of capitulation to the group. The trade off was the death of selfish narcissism and an attitude of, Let go, and let God. We never had a pillow fight, but I think it would have helped ease the tension of attachment to one's own ideas and others equally attached, jockeying for dominance. Everyone was a leader in their own right so the field of competition was quite high, but when the dust settled, we had developed a deep love and respect for each other, warts and all. It's kinda like being married to nine people all at once. When I see a few of these women in Fairfield or in the dome from time to time, I always feel a wave of deep affection flow between us. During the Atom project which lasted almost a year, I began to observe my thoughts, feelings and actions reflected back to me from the mirror of nine other personalities and discovered that what you put out there you get back, and pronto. Youtube wasn't available at the time, Curtis, otherwise I would have posted a link to satisfy your fantasy of scantily clad women in underwear whacking each other with pillows in the flying hall. Think pink and fluffy and you'll get the idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I don't really get the spiritual POV on the ego. Other than a person being egotistical and being inflexible with other people which is bad, my life's growth has been to develop a strong ego out of the many forces in youth that smash it down. Growing into a strong sense of ego and self is one way of describing my positive growth. I would view any attempt to smash it to be abusive. Now if you learned to have a strong ego in the midst of other women who were trying to assert theirs, becoming flexible enough to work things out and see another person's POV, that to me is an ego becoming healthy, secure and strong. Exactly. I think ego gets a really bad rap in spiritual traditions. (Any details about the inevitable pillow fights that you all had would me much appreciated and detailed descriptions could be billed on a minute by minute basis if you wish. I'm just say'n...I'll trade you some tapes of the Vedic Atom Men dancing in cheeks-chaps if you like.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
Very impressive, Robert. I had to go all the way to downtown Los Angeles to get this knowledge! Robert wrote: Never been there, so I wouldn't know, what you mean by downtown L.A. Marshy was at 433 Harvard Blvd, Los Angeles in 1964. I had to drive all the way from Laurel Canyon to get there. Read more: 'Maharishi at 433' by Helen Olsen Los Angeles, 1967
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Shakti and Shiva Mantras'
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Robert babajii...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned from someone in Arizona, a technique called: Kriya Kundalini Pranayama... Part of the technique, was to start with three OM's, said for as long as you could hold it. The OM's were supposed to represent Shiva. Then, you would say, out loud, for as long as you could, EEM so und, which would represent Shakti... Three OM's, then three EEM's... That's it. The OM's were supposed to open the third eye, and the EEM's were the feminine aspect, the energy from the back of the head, opposite the third eye...so this toning was supposed to vibrate the third eye, both still and active. Good for toning and extending the ability to hold a tone in a natural voice, and is good for excersizing the singing voice... R.G. Hmm. Nabby can't give me grief on this one because my knowledge of this was sanctioned by the TMO. I received instruction very similar to this from one of the traveling Maharish vidyas. Also Maharishi made a big deal in his last years about the primal sounds. Explaining them, disecting them. Some of the THMD #1 experiences reference having these primal sounds resonate through their body/mind/consciousness during program. I guess I'm going to try going back to the M Ayurveda Vidya knowledge I paid a paid $1200 for. Thanks for reminding me.
