[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's Meditate Together: it's for peace, honest.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Let's Meditate Together, it's good for you and it'll create world peace! But what's really going on? Interesting. I always wondered whether that might be what was really going on with group practice. In every group I've ever encountered that had an emphasis on group practice, the TB quotient (and lack of individual responsibility) was high. And conversely, in every group I've ever encountered in which the emphasis was on individual practice, the TB quotient (and lack of individual responsibility) was low. Perhaps the real meaning of the word coherence is that those who bum-hop or meditate in large groups often *lose* theirs, and are more willing to sign on the dotted line. Also interesting is the experimenters' use of the phrase a partial solution to the free-rider problem. Echoes of Nabby. Get on the program or get out of town! In my experience, the thing that develops more of a social conscience and a participation in society for the betterment of that society is *practicing* those things, as a daily part of one's sadhana. No amount of group practice in meditation or bum-hopping is going to bring it about. If the philosophy of the group is All we have to do to benefit society is to do our group practice together, that's all they're going to do for society. While feeling better about themselves as a group. While the world outside the group goes largely ignored, or viewed through the filter of Oh look at how much good we're doing by meditating for them. Synchrony and Cooperation From Wiltermuth and Heath, slightly edited: The decline of the bayonet and the advent of the machine gun have made marching in step a terrible, if not suicidal, combat tactic; yet armies still train by marching in step. Similarly, religions around the world incorporate synchronous singing and chanting into their rituals. Why? We suggest that acting in synchrony with others can foster cooperation within groups by strengthening group cohesion. The widespread presence of cultural rituals involving synchrony may have evolved as partial solutions to the free-rider problem, the tendency for some individuals to shoulder less than their share of the burden of producing public goods and participating in collective action. Their abstract: Armies, churches, organizations, and communities often engage in activitiesfor example, marching, singing, and dancingthat lead group members to act in synchrony with each other. Anthropologists and sociologists have speculated that rituals involving synchronous activity may produce positive emotions that weaken the psychological boundaries between the self and the group. This article explores whether synchronous activity may serve as a partial solution to the free-rider problem facing groups that need to motivate their members to contribute toward the collective good. Across three experiments, people acting in synchrony with others cooperated more in subsequent group economic exercises, even in situations requiring personal sacrifice. Our results also showed that positive emotions need not be generated for synchrony to foster cooperation. In total, the results suggest that acting in synchrony with others can increase cooperation by strengthening social attachment among group members. Some description of the experiments: In the first experiment an experimenter led 30 participants (60% female; mean age = 20, SD= 2.0) in groups of 3 on walks around campus. In the synchronous condition, participants walked in step. In the control condition, they walked normally. After their walk, participants completed a questionnaire designed to convince participants that they had finished the experimentIn an ostensibly separate experiment, a second experimenter conducted the Weak Link Coordination Exercise, which models situations in which group productivity is a function of the lowest level of input...the game measures expectations of cooperation. In a second experiment groups were randomly assigned to one of four conditions: In the control condition (i.e., the no-singing, no-moving condition), participants (American students) listened to O Canada, held a plastic cup above the table, and silently read the lyrics to the anthem. In the synchronous-singing condition, participants listened to the anthem, held the cup, and sang the words O Canada at the appropriate times. In the synchronous-singing-and-moving condition, participants listened to the anthem, sang the words O Canada, and moved cups from side to side in time with the music. In the asynchronous condition, participants sang and moved cups, but participants each listened to the anthem at a different tempo, causing them to move their cups at different rates and sing O Canada at different times. Participants in all conditions were told that
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Stars - Rangers: 10 - 2! http://www.nhl.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Presentation Feb. 11th on MUM Pre-Med Program and Medical School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Fairfield Lifer fairfield.li...@... wrote: As far as the 4 corners area goes, why can't hope be in the form of Christianity (which they've been converted to) or to their previous beliefs? Why can't it be real education, counseling, real caring for their future and NOT by the Bureau of Indian Affairs or whoever handles that area now? I'm not sure that their own tribal leaders really care about them. At least it doesn't seem to show. I'm not sure how much help they could get from the TMO because except for certain assets like casinos, there's not all that much for the TMO to rob. Having spent six years living in Santa Fe, and having friends whose job was trying to help the Pueblo tribes fight some of these problems, I can report only on what those friends told me. The biggest issue is that the pueblos have yer classically closed societies. They DO NOT LIKE people outside the tribe knowing their business, and they DO NOT LIKE them even knowing about their problems. So they practice keeping quiet about the problems, and *hide* the problems as much as possible, even from the agencies who have handfuls of cash ready to help them fight the problems. Big heroin or crack problem on the pueblos? Don't tell Whitey. We'll figure out a way to deal with it ourselves. Big alcoholism problem? Same thing. Rampant spousal abuse and rape? Never allow the women to file charges, and excommunicate any who do from the tribe. It's an issue that anyone who has ever worked with Native American tribes knows and understands. The only thing Whitey left them in many cases was their pride, and they'd rather self-destruct than give that up. On the subject of whether TM might be a solution, my experience and that of my friends suggests that it would not. On the whole, Native Americans are not open to techniques that do not come *from* a Native American culture. You'd almost have to rebrand TM as Teepee Meditation before it would be acceptable to any but the most independent and college-educated tribal members. And those are not the ones with drug, alcoholism, and spousal abuse problems. BTW, have you ever seen a film called Powwow Highway? *Highly* recommended, if you have not. It is a classic of modern Native American culture, and very uplifting at the same time. It also has one of my favorite characters from film in it, Philbert Bono. Philbert is a fat, dope-smoking dreamer (his self-given spiritual name is Mountain Dreamer and he drives around in a beat-up junkheap he exchanged for a baggie of grass that he has named Protector the War Pony). But Philbert has *belief* going for him, in spades. He is basically the quintessence of blind faith, and of having that faith work out, albeit in mysterious ways. Great film. You'd really like it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: --True origin of the 8 limbs of Yoga: http://tegehel.deviantart.com/art/Birth-of-Cthulhu-62464392 FWIW, one yoga-upanishad (yoga-chuuDaamaNi) mentions only six (shat) an.gas (ang-gas): aasanaM praaNasa.nrodhaH pratyaahaarashcha dhaaraNaa . dhyaana.n samaadhiretaani yogaa~Ngaani bhavanti shhaT.h .. 2.. Simplified (Harvard-Kyoto'ish transliteration): aasanaM praaNasaMrodhaH pratyaahaarash ca dhaaraNaa . dhyaanaM samaadhir etaani yoga-angaani bhavanti SaT (shat) .. 2.. Seems to ignore yama and niyama... http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/yogachud.itx
[FairfieldLife] What if you forgot a bathroom break before going to the dome?
No problem. Now there is an instructional video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYEF4SHLOPg Shows how to move around once you're up there, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I always thought that he meant that, yes, practise of any of the 8 limbs leads to enlightenment but the 8th limb -- samadhi -- is the one to go to first. And by practising TM, you get the benefit of simultaneous practise of all 8 limbs. Actually, if you can *actually go into Samadhi* then the object of Yoga is fulfilled, the other limbs are designed to help you do just that! And it's true that Samyama or the 6th, 7th and 8th limbs alone will lead you to Yoga but without the first 5 it will take you longer, and maybe a lot longer! Now, whether that prescription works or not, I cannot say because I am neither yet enlightened nor a Vedic scholar. But it does make sense to me, that capturing the fort first thing. You know, I practise hatha yoga (more than just the set we're taught as part of the TM rounding program). To do JUST hatha yoga, for me, would not be a very effective way to go to enlightenment. But I cannot imagine NOT doing it. I think it's value is to smooth out the stress release (the karma-burning) that is the result of the TM practise. But there are people I run into that wholeheartedly believe that hatha yoga is a path unto itself. Well, who am I to tell them it isn't? But it isn't for me.
[FairfieldLife] 'Look out for that Robot!'
Killer robots 'a threat to humanity' Increasingly autonomous, gun-toting robots developed for warfare could easily fall into the hands of terrorists and may one day unleash a robot arms race, a top expert on artificial intelligence told AFP. They pose a threat to humanity, said University of Sheffield professor Noel Sharkey ahead of a keynote address Wednesday before Britain's Royal United Services Institute. Intelligent machines deployed on battlefields around the world -- from mobile grenade launchers to rocket-firing drones -- can already identify and lock onto targets without human help. There are more than 4,000 US military robots on the ground in Iraq, as well as unmanned aircraft that have clocked hundreds of thousands of flight hours. The first three armed combat robots fitted with large-caliber machine guns deployed to Iraq last summer, manufactured by US arms maker Foster-Miller, proved so successful that 80 more are on order, said Sharkey. But up to now, a human hand has always been required to push the button or pull the trigger. It we are not careful, he said, that could change. Military leaders are quite clear that they want autonomous robots as soon as possible, because they are more cost-effective and give a risk-free war, he said. Several countries, led by the United States, have already invested heavily in robot warriors developed for use on the battlefield. South Korea and Israel both deploy armed robot border guards, while China, India, Russia and Britain have all increased the use of military robots. Washington plans to spend four billion dollars by 2010 on unmanned technology systems, with total spending expected rise to 24 billion, according to the Department of Defense's Unmanned Systems Roadmap 2007-2032, released in December. James Canton, an expert on technology innovation and CEO of the Institute for Global Futures, predicts that deployment within a decade of detachments that will include 150 soldiers and 2,000 robots. The use of such devices by terrorists should be a serious concern, said Sharkey. Captured robots would not be difficult to reverse engineer, and could easily replace suicide bombers as the weapon-of-choice. I don't know why that has not happened already, he said. But even more worrisome, he continued, is the subtle progression from the semi-autonomous military robots deployed today to fully independent killing machines. I have worked in artificial intelligence for decades, and the idea of a robot making decisions about human termination terrifies me, Sharkey said. Ronald Arkin of Georgia Institute of Technology, who has worked closely with the US military on robotics, agrees that the shift towards autonomy will be gradual. But he is not convinced that robots don't have a place on the front line. Robotics systems may have the potential to out-perform humans from a perspective of the laws of war and the rules of engagement, he told a conference on technology in warfare at Stanford University last month. The sensors of intelligent machines, he argued, may ultimately be better equipped to understand an environment and to process information. And there are no emotions that can cloud judgement, such as anger, he added. Nor is there any inherent right to self-defence. For now, however, there remain several barriers to the creation and deployment of Terminator-like killing machines. Some are technical. Teaching a computer-driven machine -- even an intelligent one -- how to distinguish between civilians and combatants, or how to gauge a proportional response as mandated by the Geneva Conventions, is simply beyond the reach of artificial intelligence today. But even if technical barriers are overcome, the prospect of armies increasingly dependent on remotely-controlled or autonomous robots raises a host of ethical issues that have barely been addressed. Arkin points out that the US Department of Defense's 230 billion dollar Future Combat Systems programme -- the largest military contract in US history -- provides for three classes of aerial and three land-based robotics systems. But nowhere is there any consideration of the ethical implications of the weaponisation of these systems, he said. For Sharkey, the best solution may be an outright ban on autonomous weapons systems. We have to say where we want to draw the line and what we want to do -- and then get an international agreement, he said. By Marlowe Hood , AFPFebruary 5, 2009
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: I think MMY made it clear that he felt that TM was the missing element in EVERY culture. One already had exercise, spiritual/religious guidelines /worship, etc, but not TM. So why reinvent the other wheels? L. So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't, and as a result many practice TM *in lieu of* Religion, this is a big mistake IMO as Religion is the outer guide in life, not some pseudo-Scientific, pseudo-Religious practice as TM is taught today! TM is the essence of the eternal Religion of the Vedas, MMY. Even Charlie ask him why he didn't tell them that Religion is the most direct way to Self Realization. TM is more effective if you practice all 8 limbs, that's why they're there...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Look out for that Robot!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Killer robots 'a threat to humanity' Seems like another military industrial complex boondoggle and ripoff to me. These things probably cost the taxpayers $1,000,000+ each. They could accomplish the same thing by just hiring TM butt bouncers. Given the example of IA courses, *they* are willing to do anything they're told, just like the robots, and for only a few hundred dollars a month. Write to your Congressperson today! Increasingly autonomous, gun-toting robots developed for warfare could easily fall into the hands of terrorists and may one day unleash a robot arms race, a top expert on artificial intelligence told AFP. They pose a threat to humanity, said University of Sheffield professor Noel Sharkey ahead of a keynote address Wednesday before Britain's Royal United Services Institute. Intelligent machines deployed on battlefields around the world -- from mobile grenade launchers to rocket-firing drones -- can already identify and lock onto targets without human help. There are more than 4,000 US military robots on the ground in Iraq, as well as unmanned aircraft that have clocked hundreds of thousands of flight hours. The first three armed combat robots fitted with large-caliber machine guns deployed to Iraq last summer, manufactured by US arms maker Foster-Miller, proved so successful that 80 more are on order, said Sharkey. But up to now, a human hand has always been required to push the button or pull the trigger. It we are not careful, he said, that could change. Military leaders are quite clear that they want autonomous robots as soon as possible, because they are more cost-effective and give a risk-free war, he said. Several countries, led by the United States, have already invested heavily in robot warriors developed for use on the battlefield. South Korea and Israel both deploy armed robot border guards, while China, India, Russia and Britain have all increased the use of military robots. Washington plans to spend four billion dollars by 2010 on unmanned technology systems, with total spending expected rise to 24 billion, according to the Department of Defense's Unmanned Systems Roadmap 2007-2032, released in December. James Canton, an expert on technology innovation and CEO of the Institute for Global Futures, predicts that deployment within a decade of detachments that will include 150 soldiers and 2,000 robots. The use of such devices by terrorists should be a serious concern, said Sharkey. Captured robots would not be difficult to reverse engineer, and could easily replace suicide bombers as the weapon-of-choice. I don't know why that has not happened already, he said. But even more worrisome, he continued, is the subtle progression from the semi-autonomous military robots deployed today to fully independent killing machines. I have worked in artificial intelligence for decades, and the idea of a robot making decisions about human termination terrifies me, Sharkey said. Ronald Arkin of Georgia Institute of Technology, who has worked closely with the US military on robotics, agrees that the shift towards autonomy will be gradual. But he is not convinced that robots don't have a place on the front line. Robotics systems may have the potential to out-perform humans from a perspective of the laws of war and the rules of engagement, he told a conference on technology in warfare at Stanford University last month. The sensors of intelligent machines, he argued, may ultimately be better equipped to understand an environment and to process information. And there are no emotions that can cloud judgement, such as anger, he added. Nor is there any inherent right to self-defence. For now, however, there remain several barriers to the creation and deployment of Terminator-like killing machines. Some are technical. Teaching a computer-driven machine -- even an intelligent one -- how to distinguish between civilians and combatants, or how to gauge a proportional response as mandated by the Geneva Conventions, is simply beyond the reach of artificial intelligence today. But even if technical barriers are overcome, the prospect of armies increasingly dependent on remotely-controlled or autonomous robots raises a host of ethical issues that have barely been addressed. Arkin points out that the US Department of Defense's 230 billion dollar Future Combat Systems programme -- the largest military contract in US history -- provides for three classes of aerial and three land-based robotics systems. But nowhere is there any consideration of the ethical implications of the weaponisation of these systems, he said. For Sharkey, the best solution may be an outright ban on autonomous weapons systems. We have to say where we want to draw the line and what we want to do -- and then get
[FairfieldLife] 'We Need to Stop Our Addiction to Weapons Deals'
James Carter | February 6, 200 On the same day as President Barack Obama's inauguration, China issued a white paper outlining its national defense strategy on Tuesday. In that paper, China pointed to a security situation that was improving steadily overall. At the same time, the paper explicitly referred to the growing threat from increased U.S. arms sales to Taiwan. Over Beijing's protest, the Pentagon announced last October a deal for the sale of $6.5 billion in arms to Taiwan, including 30 Apache attack helicopters, 330 Patriot missiles, and 32 Harpoon missiles. Beijing referred to the deal as a violation of established principles that would cause serious harm to the China-U.S. relations as well as to peace and stability across the Taiwan Straits. The Taiwan sale is but one of hundreds of deals the Bush administration made in its two terms. In 2008, as in each of the previous seven years, the United States led the world in arms sales at $32 billion. In 2006-2007, the U.S. sold weapons to more than 170 nations, up from 123 at the start of the Bush administration. These arms deals are supposed to accomplish a range of foreign policy goals: winning influence, gaining access, maintaining and encouraging friendly regimes, as well as bolstering the U.S. balance of payments and domestic economy. At the same time, these large-scale weapons sales prop up teetering regimes and dictatorships, sow discord, promote violent solutions to international problems, and result in widespread civilian suffering. In fact, U.S. weapons played a role in 20 of the world's 27 major wars in 2006-07, according to a December 2008, report from the New American Foundation. Weapons from the United States are now present in half of the major armed conflicts currently taking place worldwide. And 13 of the 25 leading U.S. clients were either undemocratic and/or guilty of human rights violations, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Korea, Kuwait, Egypt, and Colombia. Stabilizing Iraq? One obvious omission from this abbreviated list is Iraq. Having supported Saddam Hussein with arms exports, as did other Security Council members, the United States is now sending into Iraq an enormous volume of weapons. Aside from those destined for the U.S. military, hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons have gone to arm the Iraqi army and its police and security forces. In the last four years, the Pentagon financed the shipment of more than 1 million rifles, pistols, and infantry weapons to Iraqi forces. These shipments are largely the responsibility of private arms firms such as Taos Industries. Taos alone received contracts totaling more than $95 million for supplying arms to Iraq. All told, the Pentagon oversaw the signing of 47 weapons-supply contracts amounting to nearly $220 million since 2003. Due to little oversight and widespread corruption, now as many as several hundred thousand of those weapons have been lost. Unable to account for the distribution of these weapons inside Iraq, many officials have concluded that some have found their way into the hands of insurgents. One overarching and troubling pattern in all of this has been the shift in responsibility from the State Department to the Defense Department since 9/11. This shift has meant, among other things, vastly increased arms available to a wider range of clients (an additional $40 billion in new funding for arms sales), less oversight from State Department (whose regulations include at least a nod to human rights), and less congressional scrutiny (the responsible congressional committees differ substantially from State to Defense). This isn't a new phenomenon. However, U.S. arms sales grew in importance in American foreign policy in the fairly recent past. Following the Vietnam War and amid a faltering economy, Richard Nixon ordered the Pentagon to relax and/or remove the barriers to international arms sales in 1974. As the result of that decision — coupled with aggressive marketing from U.S. arms suppliers and the new wealth of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), arms sales skyrocketed. In the 20 years leading to 1969, U.S. arms sales totaled less than $12 billion — and $9 billion of that went to the developed world. From this low, the numbers quickly climbed: $1.4 billion in 1971, $3 billion in 1972, $5.3 billion in 1973, $10 billion in 1974. Added up, the U.S. shipped $49.8 billion in arms in 1974-1977. U.S. arms shipments to Persian Gulf countries alone shot up 2,500%. Some at the time recognized the contradictory nature of these deals and the resulting blowback. The Shah of Iran was the lead recipient of U.S. arms. We kidded ourselves, Senator Joseph Biden complained in 1982. We had close to $30 billion worth of the most sophisticated arms in the world in Iran. And yet, without a shot being fired, the Shah was marched out of the country. Now, all those weapons
[FairfieldLife] Afro Cuban tune
Delicious... Amor Verdadero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=env=pVae3vTROq4gl=US
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --True origin of the 8 limbs of Yoga: http://tegehel.deviantart.com/art/Birth-of-Cthulhu-62464392 FWIW, one yoga-upanishad (yoga-chuuDaamaNi) mentions only six (shat) an.gas (ang-gas): aasanaM praaNasa.nrodhaH pratyaahaarashcha dhaaraNaa . dhyaana.n samaadhiretaani yogaa~Ngaani bhavanti shhaT.h .. 2.. Simplified (Harvard-Kyoto'ish transliteration): aasanaM praaNasaMrodhaH pratyaahaarash ca dhaaraNaa . dhyaanaM samaadhir etaani yoga-angaani bhavanti SaT (shat) .. 2.. aasana, praaNasaMrodha and pratyaahaara, dhaaraNaa, dhyaana (and) samaadhi, these (etaani) are (bhavanti) the *six* (SaT) limbs of yoga (yoga-aGgaani) Seems to ignore yama and niyama... http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/yogachud.itx
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Finances
'honest-services fraud' redresses the deprivation of an intangible right to another's honest services. In 1988, Congress criminalized a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services under the mail- and wire-fraud statutes. Conviction carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. ... In the public sector, cases typically involve bribery or some other personal gain by a public official, such as a failure to disclose a conflict of interest that benefited the official. ... Prosecutors use the honest-services charge against private-sector individuals, too, such as corporate executives, usually in cases involving kickbacks or circumstances where the executives have cheated a company. Unlike garden-variety criminal fraud, which requires that a victim was bilked out of tangible property, such as money, honest-services fraud redresses the deprivation of an intangible right to another's honest services. -Wall Street Journal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: I noticed that guidestar.org had the 06 tax filing for Maharishi global development fund, which the latest available. MGDF is one of innumerable tmo orgs in the US, but appears to be the most significant financially. It's interesting to me primarily because of how much money it's been transferring to offshore accts the past decade via grants. In 06 it transferred about $38 million offshore, continuing the trend. I also noticed though that it gave almost $12 million to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corp, located on MUM campus, whose purpose is to teach TM according to the filing. I was curious about this org. so I looked up its filing. Actually this seems to be a pretty big org, taking in over $23 million in grants and revenues in that same year it got the big grant from MGDF. It's difficult to know exactly how it spent that money, but it does itemize: over $9 million in salaries and wages though not listed by individual, $3m for occupancy which I guess means rent but that seems extraordinarily high for such an org., $2.3m in PR, $900,000 for conferences, $600,000 for travel, $360,000 for bookkeeping, $415,000 for telephone, and various other stuff. IT also gives some grants to other tmo orgs. I thought the $9 million in salaries/wages might include wages to laborers for building the world peace centers, but the balance sheet doesn't list anything like that, so it's not going into hard assets like real estate. Bevan is president, feldman treasurer, though norin isquith appears to do the books. Would love to know who's getting the big salary dollars. o
Re: [FairfieldLife] Presentation Feb. 11th on MUM Pre-Med Program and Medica...
Thanks very much Craig for this info Bill Leed who still practices his program in Wmsville NY 14221-2526 716-688-7686 all the Best to U the dome folks keep the good news comming. PLEASE tell me the Tel # address email address of our frined Jim Bates I could NOT locate him last 2 times in the past 2 yrs I was at MUM the dome. Als one an email for hte Beauforts Art Proff or Julie his wife now I believe back form the P R China tel# best email addresses for them thanks in advance In a message dated 2/6/2009 3:56:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dickm...@lisco.com writes: MUM Pre-Med and Medical School Announcement Thank you. Craig Shaw Research Librarian Office of Admissions Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 cs...@mum.edu Phone: (641) 472-7000 x4021 Phone Office hours: 10:30 a.m. - noon, 1:30 - 4 p.m. Central Time Fax: (641) 472-1179 Consciousness-Based education http://www.mum.edu **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
[FairfieldLife] Pictures of the new Star
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip And in others here, WHY do they believe the things they so clearly believe? [...] WHY does another clearly believe that she has no Free Will, and yet chide others for abusing theirs? The problem here is that you don't understand the nature of the belief you cite. There's no contradiction involved. (And BTW--from another of your posts today-- Only a True Believer responds to disagreement with the words, 'You just don't understand'-- this is rather obviously not true.) The weird thing is that your misunderstanding about free will has been explained to you many times, but you simply can't let go of it. Or *won't* let go of it, because it's a handy weapon for bashing people. Even weirder, the key to the correct understanding is something you yourself have insisted on many times, that reality is different in different states of consciousness. snip It's an enduring koan to me, one that keeps me here and keeps me posting. What IS it about the magical phrase Maharishisez (which is my answer to all the WHYs above) that trumps common sense, that trumps logic, that trumps even the fear of being laughed at? That may be *your* answer, but it isn't necessarily the answer for many of us. snip But the other thing I think you can say about them almost without fear of contradiction is that they have never asked themselves WHY they believe the things that they say. To do so would gnaw away at that sense of certainty that they strove so hard to achieve. For some, perhaps, but not all by any means. Indeed, for some it's just the opposite: to the degree that they're certain about something, it's because what MMY taught wasn't enough in and of itself, and they consulted other sources (including their personal experience and their own intellectual analysis) before deciding that whatever it was made sense. It seems to me that your conclusion here is really a way to avoid considering different ways of understanding things than the ones you prefer, because that would disturb *your* sense of certainty. And despite your elaborate lip service to the notion that you aren't certain about anything, in fact you're quite certain about many of the things you preach to us here--more certain, even, than some of us who hold the beliefs you deride.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: snip So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't He *did*. Why do you think he made such a point of TM being compatible with all religions??
[FairfieldLife] 60,000,000 geniuses (Re: Greedy Bastards Whine Over Obama's Pay Cap)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: The Kshatriya class is best suited for governance. And, they are not necessarily smarter than the brahmins. They have the natural drive to get things accomplished. From another post, but added here because I think it's relevant, and I'm asking for real replies from you: I'm not making this system up. It was used eons ago and was succesful. How do you KNOW this, John? Can you show me documentation by historians that this is true? Or do you just believe it because of the magical word Maharishisez? This is a serious question, as are the others here. You make statements as if they were Truth, statements that to most people on this planet sound like (as do.rflex put it so eloquently) nutbaggery. Or the ravings of a religious fanatic. Or both. So can you do anything to help us understand how you KNOW these things you state as if they were facts? Barry, you raise some interesting points about nutbaggery and I agree with your POV about says who and how many rocks you should pound on Mars. It would be easy to put John's POV to the test using Western personality profiles and aptitude tests to see if there is any validity to John's POV. Better yet, look in the Want Ads. Kshatriya Wanted: Must be well organized, punctual, and have proven leadership abilities to manage bustling Burger King in Fairfield Iowa. Sharp intellect, outgoing personality, a plus. Brahman Wanted: Sattvic, wealthy, celibate male wanted to create Whirled Peas in MUM kitchen. Experience running Hobart dishwasher, a plus. Immediate hire if applying via teleportation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: And despite your elaborate lip service to the notion that you aren't certain about anything, in fact you're quite certain about many of the things you preach to us here--more certain, even, than some of us who hold the beliefs you deride. That's for sure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
And despite your elaborate lip service to the notion that you aren't certain about anything, in fact you're quite certain about many of the things you preach to us here--more certain, even, than some of us who hold the beliefs you deride. That's for sure. Au contraire, Pierre. :-) I write in the moment, and write what I believe *in* that moment. The next moment, I could -- and often do -- believe something else. The only two things I'm certain of is that I will die, and that if she lives that long, someone on this group will be trying her best to demonize me *until* the day I die. Probably afterwards. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
The one thing you can say almost without fear of contra- diction is that the missionaries and prosyletutes of this world actually *believe* the things that they say. They are in most cases *certain* that these things are true. But the other thing I think you can say about them almost without fear of contradiction is that they have never asked themselves WHY they believe the things that they say. To do so would gnaw away at that sense of certainty that they strove so hard to achieve. Try Michael Shermer's books 'Why People Believe Weird Things' and 'The Borderlands of Science' and also Walter Gratzer's 'The Undergrowth of Science'. They make fascinating reading, especially if you've been caught up in a weird belief system yourself and are now thinking what came over me? How did I get caught up in such obvious nonsense. Even very intelligent highly educated people can get caught up in weird beliefs. This week's New Scientist has a good article reviewing the research on why people believe in god and gods etc. Then there's the great classic Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds written in 1841 by Charles MacKay. There's loads of this type of stuff around and it really is a fascinating subject.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: They state fantastic things -- things that 99.9% of the human beings on this planet would consider nut- baggery -- as if they were established fact. And they clearly believe *that* they are established fact. I am certain that John is being completely sincere in stating that this ideal society he is talking about in the future once existed in full flower here on Earth. But WHY does he believe this? Clearly, there is no historical record to support the claim. Just as clearly, all historical evidence refutes it entirely and suggests the opposite. But yet he believes it to the core of his being. WHY? That, to me, is the Larger Question in issues like this. What IS it about belief that is inspired (IMO) by Believing What You Were Told By Someone You Consider Infallible that trumps history, trumps objective reality, and trumps even common sense? It's truly a puzzle to me. seems to me if you limit peoples' conclusions about their beliefs to socially and culturally accepted evidence, historical or otherwise, you aren't giving them the same benefit of doubt that you give yourself. and then to declare in the face of any such unsubstantiated statements by others, that such statements are the result essentially of brainwashing, what opportunity is there left for anyone to reach conclusions about things that aren't already part of the conventional wisdom? you have spoken about seeing levitation and rooms filled with golden light while being near your former teacher Rama. so using your same criteria when judging the beliefs of those associated with TM, why should anyone conclude about your experiences other than Rama hypnotized you, and in your attempt to feel special, you now assert that these things occurred, in the absence of any generally accepted evidence? why do you give yourself a pass, and are not willing to ascribe the same motives as you claim for yourself, to the beliefs of others? just curious why it OK for you to have two standards, one for yourself and another for practioners of TM.
[FairfieldLife] Ringing in the ears during meditation
The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abracadabra And Other Magical Words
Maharishisez is certainly a far more magical word for me than Barrysez...;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Magical thinking seems to depend, as far as I can tell, on the liberal use of magical words. The stage magician pulls a weasel out of a hat (this is a French stage magician, and rabbits are considered too tasty in France to waste), and the audience goes Woo! and wonders for a moment how it was done. But then the magician utters the magical word Abra- cadabra, and the audience no longer wonders *how* it was done -- it was done via magic. All is well. In the realm of meditation, there are other magical words. Like Abracadabra, mantras are special. And they are made even *more* special by being transmitted in a ceremony full of other magical words, starting with Apavitrah pavitro vah... And even though many people now know that their personal magical word or mantra was *not* special, and that if they had run into a TM teacher who attended another TTC course they would have gotten *another* mantra, it's still special. It's a magical word. And we all know that the more magical the mantra, the more magical meditation will be, and the more magical one's life will become as a result. But it seems to me, watching some of the conversations here lately, that TMers are missing out on the potential use of the most powerful magical word of all as a mantra. This *very* special magical word performs wonders that we see here on FFL every day. Invoke it, and otherwise intelligent and rational human beings throw away logic, throw away common sense, and even throw away their fear of being laughed at to agree with whatever follows the magical word, or to do what follows it, willingly and cheerfully. Thus I am proposing, as potentially The Most Powerful Mantra Of All, the one that seems to have the greatest effect on people here on Fairfield Life. If the other mantras are special, this one is WAY special, given how profoundly its use seems to affect people. So my proposal for The Most Powerful Mantra Of All, the one that would produce the most profound effects for the individual and the world, would be the mantra Maharishisez. Give it a try in your meditations for a while, and see if it doesn't do for them what it has done for your ability to think rationally. If you like the effects, go for the Full Monty Magical Word and upgrade to the advanced technique version of this very special mantra, Sri Sri Maharishisez Namah. That'll work even better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afro Cuban tune
What a fine way that would be to spend the afternoon, dancing like that. Group program. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Delicious... Amor Verdadero: http://www.youtube.com/watch? hl=env=pVae3vTROq4gl=US
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: snip So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't He *did*. Why do you think he made such a point of TM being compatible with all religions?? Judy, if you can tell me where in MMY's *formal teachings*, the saying that TM should be practiced in conjunction with your Religion, I will never post on this subject again! And quietly disappear:-) First of all, TM is NOT compatible with all religions! If you truly practice Catholicism, the Pope has recommended NOT practicing TM and called it a cult of the Body...previous Pope. You could say well, in truth it is, and that may be true, but that doesn't translate into practicing your Religion in the context it's being taught, faithfully, today; ultimately you find your Religion is full of errors and flee! P.S. Making a comment in a lecture 40 years ago does NOT constitute a formal teaching!! FYI Also- How do you explain MMY's term in the Gita, *means* for describing the limbs of Patanjali's Yoga?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-) Yes, tinnitus is uncomfortable. It can even interfere or be distracting to meditation. We seem to have an epidemic of it. Usually tinnitus is a sign of a vata imbalance but there seem to be some forms that don't respond to that kind of therapy. There are also forms of tinnitus that don't seem to result in any hearing loss. Some people think that the tinnitus epidemic may be caused by things like our wifi routers and other transmissions (including mobile phones) that weren't around years ago. Then there is the more evident tinnitus of people listening to their MP3 players at too high a volume in their earbuds. That probably responds better to traditional therapy plus reducing the volume. There are probably a lot of reasons. And yes if you practice a technique that quiets the mind the tinnitus will become more evident.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: They state fantastic things -- things that 99.9% of the human beings on this planet would consider nut- baggery -- as if they were established fact. And they clearly believe *that* they are established fact. I am certain that John is being completely sincere in stating that this ideal society he is talking about in the future once existed in full flower here on Earth. But WHY does he believe this? Clearly, there is no historical record to support the claim. Just as clearly, all historical evidence refutes it entirely and suggests the opposite. But yet he believes it to the core of his being. WHY? That, to me, is the Larger Question in issues like this. What IS it about belief that is inspired (IMO) by Believing What You Were Told By Someone You Consider Infallible that trumps history, trumps objective reality, and trumps even common sense? It's truly a puzzle to me. seems to me if you limit peoples' conclusions about their beliefs to socially and culturally accepted evidence, historical or otherwise, you aren't giving them the same benefit of doubt that you give yourself. and then to declare in the face of any such unsubstantiated statements by others, that such statements are the result essentially of brainwashing, what opportunity is there left for anyone to reach conclusions about things that aren't already part of the conventional wisdom? you have spoken about seeing levitation and rooms filled with golden light while being near your former teacher Rama. so using your same criteria when judging the beliefs of those associated with TM, why should anyone conclude about your experiences other than Rama hypnotized you, and in your attempt to feel special, you now assert that these things occurred, in the absence of any generally accepted evidence? I will respond to this, because it demonstrates why I so rarely bother to respond to you. You don't think very well. The situation I was speaking about does NOT involve personal (and thus subjective) experience. John is claiming that a golden Vedic age really existed. He is further claiming that the varna system he thinks is gangbusters would work. *Neither* of these things are part of his personal experience. But he believes that they are not only true, but Truth. So I'm asking WHY he believes this. Because both of these things *are* open to verification by means of presenting evidence of some kind, asking for it is relevant. To me these claims puts him into the same category as Holocaust deniers. They talk about a made-up version of history, too, one that they prefer over the official version. Many of them probably believe that the system of purifying the races espoused by the Germans was a good idea, and that the world would be a better place if it had been successful. But these are BELIEFS. They cannot be verified by anything resembling evidence. I am suggesting that John's ideas are similarly BELIEFS. Not facts, as he is presenting them. Now let's take the matter of personal experience, mine or yours. Yup, I saw levitation and rooms filled with golden light. That was my *personal experience*. Should you believe it just because I share it with you? OF COURSE NOT. I do not ask you to or expect you to. Now, is that experience open to the presentation of evidence? No it is not, unless you would believe corroborating evidence based on people who had the same experience around Rama. If you would believe that, I can point you to literally hundreds of people who will tell you that they experienced the same things I did. ( Or books, online, in which they do just that. ) But again, *all* of this -- whether I say it or they do -- is just hearsay... people telling anecdotal stories about their personal subjective experience. In the examples you use, there is no possibility of hard evidence. The dude's daid. So -- and I'd pay attention to the faulty way your mind works if I were you -- your analogy between what I am asking John to produce evidence for and what you are asking for evidence for is not appropriate. why do you give yourself a pass, and are not willing to ascribe the same motives as you claim for yourself, to the beliefs of others? If I were talking about *beliefs*, I would. I am not. I am talking about experiences. If John -- or even you -- said that he experienced a Big Blue Guy who came up to him in meditation and told him in no uncertain terms that he should go out and kill every Indian guy who runs a convenience store who has the last name 'Pandava,' I might not consider him sane and might report him to the police, but I wouldn't be so stupid as to ask him for evidence. What kind of evidence could there *be* for having a personal vision of that sort? But when he claims things as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afro Cuban tune
Salsa is great fun to play. I was in a salsa band back in the late 1970s. The lead singer was from Columbia and our conga player and leader the son of a Cuban immigrant. We had a lot of fun but I learned some interesting things. The band leader was involved in social services and booked some gigs for some Mexican events. The Mexicans hated salsa. They liked their mariachi bands much more. And much of that music is actually German influenced because of Germans immigrating to Mexico in the 1800s and bringing the polka with them. This tune is more like a montuna though one thing I learned with salsa which is a general term for a lot of South American and Cuban music is that the styles start to bleed into each other mambos to montunas. And then there is of course the Brazilian influence of samba which is completely difference and often the two styles don't mix. Then in Argentina the tango is popular. Salsa almost took off in the US in the 1970s but the radio DJs started lumping disco with salsa and that pissed the Latinos off. Marek Reavis wrote: What a fine way that would be to spend the afternoon, dancing like that. Group program. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Delicious... Amor Verdadero: http://www.youtube.com/watch? hl=env=pVae3vTROq4gl=US
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afro Cuban tune
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: What a fine way that would be to spend the afternoon, dancing like that. Group program. For those who are not as graceful, fortunately there are instructional videos on YouTube for that, too. Who says white men can't dance? Evolution of Dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg Evolution of Dance 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLBPVG8oEU :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Delicious... Amor Verdadero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=env=pVae3vTROq4gl=US
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-) Yes, tinnitus is uncomfortable. It can even interfere or be distracting to meditation. We seem to have an epidemic of it. Usually tinnitus is a sign of a vata imbalance but there seem to be some forms that don't respond to that kind of therapy. There are also forms of tinnitus that don't seem to result in any hearing loss. Some people think that the tinnitus epidemic may be caused by things like our wifi routers and other transmissions (including mobile phones) that weren't around years ago. Then there is the more evident tinnitus of people listening to their MP3 players at too high a volume in their earbuds. That probably responds better to traditional therapy plus reducing the volume. There are probably a lot of reasons. And yes if you practice a technique that quiets the mind the tinnitus will become more evident. I developed tinnitus about a year or so ago. I am convinced -- but have no objective proof -- that it resulted from a botched root canal, which also caused balance issues. There's some great homeopathic products out there which can help. I've had good luck with the following: http://tinyurl.com/aqketh Regarding the buzzing sound of bees: I believe this is an entirely different experience. This is something I've occasionally experienced only in meditation (and sometimes when you're at that point of just falling asleep) for the past 30 years. Muktananda talks about it a lot. I've tried to look it up in the indexes of various books of his that I have but it isn't listed -- otherwise I'd quote verbatim what he said -- but, from memory, he refers to it as an auspicious spiritual experience. I think also there is something in those hundreds of hours of reading the 10th mandala of Rig Veda about the buzzing of bees, too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Regarding the buzzing sound of bees: I believe this is an entirely different experience. This is something I've occasionally experienced only in meditation (and sometimes when you're at that point of just falling asleep) for the past 30 years. Muktananda talks about it a lot. I've tried to look it up in the indexes of various books of his that I have but it isn't listed -- otherwise I'd quote verbatim what he said -- but, from memory, he refers to it as an auspicious spiritual experience. I think also there is something in those hundreds of hours of reading the 10th mandala of Rig Veda about the buzzing of bees, too. It appears that Maharishi talked about the buzzing. I heard the same explaination for it on residence courses in different parts of the US. Mind you, this is not the pathological form of buzzing, just the normal kind. What we were told is that this is the sound of the body working away. Chopra taught us on weekend seminars to actually place our fingers in our ears and quiet down and listen to the buzz. He told us to let our attention go to wherever the buzz was localized, for placing attention helps cure. Actually, I think there are two (non-pathological) buzzes. One is the sound of the body going about its business, the other is the Brownian Effect on the ear drum, the sound of air hitting up against it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is the essence of Religion.
TM doesn't *stand alone*, it's the practical aspect of the overall eternal Religion,.. represented by the Vedas. MMY The Vedas You have six systems of Indian Philosophy, Yoga (TM) is the practical aspect, Sankhya, Vedanta and the others basically represent the theoretical aspect. Religion means to bind back to one's origin or source, TM is the direct method of doing this, hence, TM IS Religion in the most direct sense. In order to be complete, knowledge requires the support of ALL six systems, MMY Gita page 352.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is the essence of Religion.
BillyG. wrote: TM doesn't *stand alone*, it's the practical aspect of the overall eternal Religion,.. represented by the Vedas. MMY The Vedas You have six systems of Indian Philosophy, Yoga (TM) is the practical aspect, Sankhya, Vedanta and the others basically represent the theoretical aspect. Religion means to bind back to one's origin or source, TM is the direct method of doing this, hence, TM IS Religion in the most direct sense. In order to be complete, knowledge requires the support of ALL six systems, MMY Gita page 352. Religion is binding alright. It keeps you bound under the influence of the king so you won't cause trouble and make him lose his throne. That's why it was invented. Religion is spirituality on training wheels and seems to cause more harm than good.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
shempmcgurk wrote: I developed tinnitus about a year or so ago. I am convinced -- but have no objective proof -- that it resulted from a botched root canal, which also caused balance issues. There's some great homeopathic products out there which can help. I've had good luck with the following: http://tinyurl.com/aqketh Looks like the basis of Ring Stop another product that can be found in health food and even some natural foods sections of grocery stores. Ring Stop has the homeopathics along with some vitamins and herbs found to be good for tinnitus. There is also another formula using Ginkgo, Garlic and Zinc. You can also get tinnitus from parasites as well as arteriosclerosis. Those would require different remedies. I've asked some dentists about the tinnitus and tooth problems with infections possibly going up into the brain but they seemed in denial about it though I've read case histories of it on the internet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: And despite your elaborate lip service to the notion that you aren't certain about anything, in fact you're quite certain about many of the things you preach to us here--more certain, even, than some of us who hold the beliefs you deride. That's for sure. Au contraire, Pierre. :-) I write in the moment, and write what I believe *in* that moment. The next moment, I could -- and often do -- believe something else. But interestingly enough, it appears that you have believed quite a few things from moment to moment over the course of many years. One of them, for example, is the notion that TMers believe what they do only because they were told to do so. Those are the kinds of things I was referring to. The only two things I'm certain of is that I will die, and that if she lives that long, someone on this group will be trying her best to demonize me *until* the day I die. Probably afterwards. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: snip So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't He *did*. Why do you think he made such a point of TM being compatible with all religions?? Judy, if you can tell me where in MMY's *formal teachings*, the saying that TM should be practiced in conjunction with your Religion, I will never post on this subject again! And quietly disappear:-) The whole section Fulfillment of Religion in Science of Being and Art of Living, especially the last four paragraphs. Bye-bye.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: They state fantastic things -- things that 99.9% of the human beings on this planet would consider nut- baggery -- as if they were established fact. And they clearly believe *that* they are established fact. I am certain that John is being completely sincere in stating that this ideal society he is talking about in the future once existed in full flower here on Earth. But WHY does he believe this? Clearly, there is no historical record to support the claim. Just as clearly, all historical evidence refutes it entirely and suggests the opposite. But yet he believes it to the core of his being. WHY? That, to me, is the Larger Question in issues like this. What IS it about belief that is inspired (IMO) by Believing What You Were Told By Someone You Consider Infallible that trumps history, trumps objective reality, and trumps even common sense? It's truly a puzzle to me. seems to me if you limit peoples' conclusions about their beliefs to socially and culturally accepted evidence, historical or otherwise, you aren't giving them the same benefit of doubt that you give yourself. and then to declare in the face of any such unsubstantiated statements by others, that such statements are the result essentially of brainwashing, what opportunity is there left for anyone to reach conclusions about things that aren't already part of the conventional wisdom? you have spoken about seeing levitation and rooms filled with golden light while being near your former teacher Rama. so using your same criteria when judging the beliefs of those associated with TM, why should anyone conclude about your experiences other than Rama hypnotized you, and in your attempt to feel special, you now assert that these things occurred, in the absence of any generally accepted evidence? I will respond to this, because it demonstrates why I so rarely bother to respond to you. You don't think very well. Try tackling the first two paragraphs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is the essence of Religion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: TM doesn't *stand alone*, it's the practical aspect of the overall eternal Religion,.. represented by the Vedas. MMY The Vedas You have six systems of Indian Philosophy, Yoga (TM) is the practical aspect, Sankhya, Vedanta and the others basically represent the theoretical aspect. Religion means to bind back to one's origin or source, TM is the direct method of doing this, hence, TM IS Religion in the most direct sense. As I've already pointed out, bind back to one's source was MMY's definition, based on the Latin term religare, but it isn't certain that's where the term religion came from, and other sources define religare as meaning to restrain, to tie back. In fact, what the Latin word meant may not even have anything to do with what is meant by the modern term religion. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the variety of etymological explanations of the term religion: The English word religion has been in use since the 13th century, loaned from Anglo-French religiun (11th century), ultimately from the Latin religio, reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety, the res divinae.[4] The ultimate origins of Latin religio are obscure. It is usually accepted to derive from ligare bind, connect; likely from a prefixed re-ligare, i.e. re (again) + ligare or to reconnect. This interpretation is favoured by modern scholars such as Tom Harpur and Joseph Campbell, but was made prominent by St. Augustine, following the interpretation of Lactantius. Another possibility is derivation from a reduplicated *le-ligare. A historical interpretation due to Cicero on the other hand connects lego read, i.e. re (again) + lego in the sense of choose, go over again or consider carefully.[5] It may also be from Latin religiô, religiôn-, perhaps from religâre, to tie fast.[6]
[FairfieldLife] Thought-laced Chocolate
From the mini-Annals of Improbable Research (mini-AIR) Febuary 2009, Issue number 2009-02. ISSN 1076-500X. [The Annals of Improbable Research are the same folks who award the Ignobel Prizes.] --- A free newsletter of tidbits too tiny to fit in Annals of Improbable Research (AIR) This issue at http://www.improbable.com/airchives/miniair/2009/mini2009-02.htm Archive at http://improbable.com/airchives/miniair/ 2009-02-09 RESEARCH SPOTLIGHT: Thought-Laced Chocolate This month's specially selected study describes an attempt to blend intention into chocolate, and to then measure the effect upon individuals who consume the hybrid. The paper is: Effects of Intentionally Enhanced Chocolate on Mood, Dean Radin, Gail Hayssen and James Walsh, Explore, vol. 3, no. 5, September 2007, pp. 485-492. The authors, at the Institute of Noetic Sciences in Petaluma, California and at Hawaiian Vintage Chocolate in Honolulu, Hawaii, explain: A double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled experiment investigated whether chocolate exposed to good intentions would enhance mood more than unexposed chocolate Each person consumed a half ounce of dark chocolate twice a day at prescribed times. Three groups blindly received chocolate that had been intentionally treated by three different techniques. The intention in each case was that people who ate the chocolate would experience an enhanced sense of energy, vigor, and well-being. The fourth group blindly received untreated chocolate as a placebo control Conclusion: The mood-elevating properties of chocolate can be enhanced with intention. A copy is online at http://www.deanradin.com/papers/chocolate.pdf
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
BillyG wrote: If you read MMY's Bhagavad Gita Appendix on Yoga you will find this comment, quote: With the continuous practice of all these limbs, or means, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all the eight spheres of life MMY HB pg363snip. I think this proves that TM, as taught today, is *Yoga-lite for modernity*, in spite of his later remarks where he sugar-coated, IMO, what he was teaching, saying only samyama or TM was necessary. Vaj wrote: If the prerequisites [limbs] of samadhi are not met, even if you meditate hundreds of years you'll never attain samadhi. -Shantideva. Billy-Vaj, You guys have book-ended an issue. My favorite theory about meat-robot-programming is that 27 repetitions are required to get something to sink in. So here's about the 20th time that I'm going to bounce this ball called Identification. Hee hee. As usual, I'll repeat, repeat, repeat, but it's for yer own good! Honest! I believe that this issue will never be resolved until one intellectually jumps out of the box within which you two are exploring, and to do so, I think we need to define the term Identification. Typically in translations of Hindu literature, we see the word attachment being used. It is said that our attachments keep us bound to objects of consciousness. I would dare say that just about everyone who posts here at FFL believes that attachment is an operative dynamic that must be attenuated until it ceases altogether, and that doing so is a spiritually evolutionary process. Yes? If you agree, then I would ask you to consider if the word identification is not a more useful translation instead of attachment. I think the word attachment just has too much baggage from its overuse by virtually every religious tradition. Attachment implies that, to be literal, one somehow bonds one's, what?, mind? self? personality? to an object of consciousness by some means that is but seldom explicated with any scholarly fine print when the masses are instructed about attachment. And, how could the masses actually be instructed without, you know, cramming into them some of the notable posts here by Vaj about the Buddhist delineations of the finest nuances of the thinking process? I'd say but few have the brain power to absorb Vaj's fine print, so it is understandable that gurus use broad concepts only in their public lectures. To me attachment means: an egoic process has become part of another brain process. The ego has become attached to, say, a new automobile, and whenever the automobile is an object of consciousness the egoic processes are ALSO operative and, as if, saturating the experiential mix, and this is felt/experienced as background notions of ownership, feelings of pride, sense of empowerment, etc. It is no longer an automobile, but rather it is -- now -- MY automobile. And just so, let us leap to this concept: any thought is merely an object of consciousness and that each and every thought-feeling that we have also has this egoic process attending it. The small I -- ego -- pretends that it is witnessing the object of consciousness when in fact the true witness is beyond processes and IS NOT AN OBJECT OF CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. The small I deludes itself to be beyond consciousness too, but, analysis reveals that it is merely the white stuff in chicken shit -- that is, more chicken shit. Enlightenment has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET THE EGO TO STOP BEING PART OF OTHER PROCESSES. The true witness is the perfect silence -- silence is the canvas, the foundation, of the processes we label consciousness. Since we are dealing with words and time and space, the term witness seems necessarily drawn into the tarbaby of creation -- it too must be a processing, see? Language -- I hate it. But nope, and that's my point. Attachment is not an act, not a process -- get that? -- it's not someTHING that must be undone, mitigated, augmented, whatever. And I maintain that by using the word Identification instead of attachement, we can see the baby in the bath water more easily. If I see two bugs scrambling on the ground both going towards some target, I can IDENTIFY with one of them, and it becomes me, and I'm betting on that bug's karma and hoping for its success, while the other bug is, as if, unsupported by my, er, cheerleading. As the bugs run, my mind will be placing its egoic process -- mislabeled attention -- on the bug I've selected. As I do so, my attachment to the bug will increase -- meaning that my egoic processes will become more hardwired and integrated with the processes called seeing this bug scramble. This merely describes the process of the ego process intertwining with the seeing bug process; it has nothing to do with the attachment that spiritual teachers are talking about. How so? Well, first of all, every guru whatever was, still has an egoic process. They all use the word I, and we all know what they mean by it -- the body, the mind,
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: I think MMY made it clear that he felt that TM was the missing element in EVERY culture. One already had exercise, spiritual/religious guidelines /worship, etc, but not TM. So why reinvent the other wheels? L. So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't, and as a result many practice TM *in lieu of* Religion, this is a big mistake IMO as Religion is the outer guide in life, not some pseudo-Scientific, pseudo-Religious practice as TM is taught today! TM is the essence of the eternal Religion of the Vedas, MMY. Even Charlie ask him why he didn't tell them that Religion is the most direct way to Self Realization. TM is more effective if you practice all 8 limbs, that's why they're there... PRactice the religion you learned at your mother's knee seems like he did.. Except, of course telling people to practice a religion for sure, would turn away the atheists/agnostics. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-) Yes, tinnitus is uncomfortable. It can even interfere or be distracting to meditation. We seem to have an epidemic of it. Usually tinnitus is a sign of a vata imbalance but there seem to be some forms that don't respond to that kind of therapy. There are also forms of tinnitus that don't seem to result in any hearing loss. Some people think that the tinnitus epidemic may be caused by things like our wifi routers and other transmissions (including mobile phones) that weren't around years ago. Then there is the more evident tinnitus of people listening to their MP3 players at too high a volume in their earbuds. That probably responds better to traditional therapy plus reducing the volume. There are probably a lot of reasons. And yes if you practice a technique that quiets the mind the tinnitus will become more evident. Noise [or lack thereof] is no barrier to meditation.. I've meditated in rather noisy environments (close enough to an F-111 that the jet exhaust sent my army helmet sailing 20 feet through the air) and in rather quiet environments, without problems, though I agree that sometimes ear plugs are a Very Good Thing. Anyone who finds that noise or lack thereof somehow interferes with TM should get checked (and/or move to a less painfully noisy spot if possible and stick earplugs or cotton or moistened toilet paper or whatever in their ears if not-in the worst case uyou can just put your fingers in your ears and find the most comfortable position to meditate). Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Thought-laced Chocolate
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: Well, remember, according to A Hermit in the House and talks of Maharishi from those days, the food you eat is somehow transformed with the consciousness of the person growing and cooking it.
[FairfieldLife] Son of God?
This morning when I wakened And saw the sun above, I softly said, Good morning, Sun of God! Bless everyone I love. Don't forget to go outside and see me - too much 'internet' isn't love for the Sun of God! http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.li...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Well, remember, according to A Hermit in the House and talks of Maharishi from those days, the food you eat is somehow transformed with the consciousness of the person growing and cooking it. Precisely what this study attempted to document. From the introuduction: Why does homemade chicken soup taste better than the same soup purchased at a restaurant or scooped out of a can? Proposed explanations range from the serious to the humorous. Among the serious reasons, one contributor is undoubtedly the nurturing association between home and food. Another might be an ingredient missing from both the restaurant and the soup can--the role of good intentions. Parental love and caring are known to be significant predictors of a child's future health. Is it conceivable that such factors may also be subtle 'ingredients' in food? Most cultures have maintained the belief that spells, prayers, or intentions can be mentally imprinted into substances, which if ingested, would help bring about those intentions. The act of blessing water, wine, and bread still plays a central role in many religious rituals, and even in secular contexts the practice of toasting or offering special salutes with food or drink is universal. (The practice of saying grace before meals, of course, is another common example.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt Then of course there's transubstantiation. OK, everybody who wants to be in the picture get on this side of the table.
[FairfieldLife] 'This Is The Happiest Day Of My Life,' Lies Man Holding Baby
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/this_is_the_happiest_day_of_my PASADENA, CA—Looking out at a sea of expectant faces, new father Dan Rudloff commemorated the birth of his daughter, Elizabeth, by holding the small, vulnerable child in his arms and blurting out a series of lies and half-truths about how happy he was at that moment. Oh my God, said Rudloff, staring down at the squalling, vernix-covered infant who will depend on him for everything from eating, to bathing, to keeping her head upright. She's beautiful. Realizing he was now forever tethered to this utterly helpless new life, responsible for its shelter, upbringing, education, safety, and all related expenses for the next 18—or, perhaps more accurately, 25—years, Rudloff rattled off a series of patently false pleasantries about being overjoyed with his new baby girl. The 32-year-old property manager even managed to form his lips into the strained approximation of a smile, despite suffering through near-constant visions of dropping the fragile baby or accidentally squishing her delicate internal organs with his clumsy, brutish hands. According to onlookers, Rudloff took the resulting lull in conversation as an opportunity to shift his gaze from his wailing progeny and stare into his wife's opiate-sedated eyes, at which point the two shared the knowing glance that comes only with the realization that your days of selfish solitude, unrestrained drinking, sleeping in until noon, and enjoying any semblance of independence are now forever gone. After taking several deep breaths to maintain his composure, Rudloff came up with another sentiment he thought was expected of him This is the greatest day of my life, Rudloff said in an apparent attempt to convince friends and family of his delight so he could sit down, drink a glass of water, and gather his thoughts. I've never been happier. In fact, records indicate the new father had been happier on several occasions in the past month alone, usually following a satisfying meal. Records also suggest the greatest day of his life actually involved a particularly fun round of miniature golf that ended with the coital act that resulted in the child he was now holding. Nevertheless, Rudloff continued to grasp for more happy words to conceal his trepidation at not being able to casually leave the house for the next 13 years without making provisions for his daughter. This is so…, said Rudloff, thinking nightmarish nightmarish nightmarish as tears began to well in his eyes. I never thought this day would actually come. I'm—I'm speechless. Thus fulfilling the first of thousands upon thousands of new fatherly obligations, Rudloff posed for a picture. Though not a habitual liar, Rudloff has skirted the truth to meet social expectations on previous occasions. Late last year, he expressed gratitude to his mother-in-law after receiving a Scottish sweater for Christmas; and from the ages of 14 to 16, he feigned an interest in playing JV football. After estimating that he had held her for an adequate amount of time, Rudloff quickly scanned the room to find a suitable candidate to whom he could relinquish control of the infant before he completely lost it right there in front of everyone he knew. I can't imagine doing anything greater than this with my life, said the hapless father, hoping against hope that his daughter would not retain the memory of his trembling arms and grow to resent him, leaving home at 15 to cover her body in tattoos and piercings and hitchhike around the country, bedding any random trucker whose arms would give her the feeling of protection she never received from her worthless dad. Here you go, honey. Satisfied with his masquerade of cheerfulness, Rudloff gingerly handed the infant back to his wife. I'm so proud of you, Dana Rudloff said while thinking about an old college boyfriend she broke up with who went on to become a successful software designer. You'll make a great father.
[FairfieldLife] California May Be Broke But...
California may be broke and you'd think that would be the top of the news in Bay Area papers, right? No.. it is the Barry Bonds steroids case. We can see where Californians priorities are and why I will have little sympathy for them as they wind up living in the streets.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-) Yes, tinnitus is uncomfortable. It can even interfere or be distracting to meditation. We seem to have an epidemic of it. Usually tinnitus is a sign of a vata imbalance but there seem to be some forms that don't respond to that kind of therapy. There are also forms of tinnitus that don't seem to result in any hearing loss. Some people think that the tinnitus epidemic may be caused by things like our wifi routers and other transmissions (including mobile phones) that weren't around years ago. Then there is the more evident tinnitus of people listening to their MP3 players at too high a volume in their earbuds. That probably responds better to traditional therapy plus reducing the volume. There are probably a lot of reasons. And yes if you practice a technique that quiets the mind the tinnitus will become more evident. Noise [or lack thereof] is no barrier to meditation.. I've meditated in rather noisy environments (close enough to an F-111 that the jet exhaust sent my army helmet sailing 20 feet through the air) and in rather quiet environments, without problems, though I agree that sometimes ear plugs are a Very Good Thing. Anyone who finds that noise or lack thereof somehow interferes with TM should get checked (and/or move to a less painfully noisy spot if possible and stick earplugs or cotton or moistened toilet paper or whatever in their ears if not-in the worst case uyou can just put your fingers in your ears and find the most comfortable position to meditate). Lawson I'd love to see if you can meditate with a bad case of tinnitus, Lawson. Tinnitus is internal. You can plug your ears all you want and in fact plugging it may make it worse. What would remain would be your mantra and your brain screaming. And with some cases as the metabolism lowers due to the meditation the tinnitus increases. As for that bee sound which I've heard too it was rather remote and a completely different thing than tinnitus and never overpowered the meditation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: sparaig wrote: I've know people with tinnitus. I believe it is part of a constellation involving migraine headaches. I don't like uga booga diagnoses like vata disturbance but indeed tinnitus does seem to go hand in hand with being hyper and weak nerved. It can be extremely disturbing and can even result in the Van Gogh solution.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing ears during meditationREAD N.Yorker Article
Re ringing see latest New Yorker several page article on the subject it may in fact Not B in ones ears at all. Univ. of Buffalo has the subject under study for many yrs . In a message dated 2/7/2009 12:28:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shempmcg...@netscape.net writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? Yes, it's like hearing bees in your head. But tinnitus is uncomfortable, no ? I love to listen to the fluctuations of the bees in my head so I think what meditators hear is something else, perhaps the working of the neurons ? :-) Yes, tinnitus is uncomfortable. It can even interfere or be distracting to meditation. We seem to have an epidemic of it. Usually tinnitus is a sign of a vata imbalance but there seem to be some forms that don't respond to that kind of therapy. There are also forms of tinnitus that don't seem to result in any hearing loss. Some people think that the tinnitus epidemic may be caused by things like our wifi routers and other transmissions (including mobile phones) that weren't around years ago. Then there is the more evident tinnitus of people listening to their MP3 players at too high a volume in their earbuds. That probably responds better to traditional therapy plus reducing the volume. There are probably a lot of reasons. And yes if you practice a technique that quiets the mind the tinnitus will become more evident. I developed tinnitus about a year or so ago. I am convinced -- but have no objective proof -- that it resulted from a botched root canal, which also caused balance issues. There's some great homeopathic products out there which can help. I've had good luck with the following: http://tinyurl.com/aqketh Regarding the buzzing sound of bees: I believe this is an entirely different experience. This is something I've occasionally experienced only in meditation (and sometimes when you're at that point of just falling asleep) for the past 30 years. Muktananda talks about it a lot. I've tried to look it up in the indexes of various books of his that I have but it isn't listed -- otherwise I'd quote verbatim what he said -- but, from memory, he refers to it as an auspicious spiritual experience. I think also there is something in those hundreds of hours of reading the 10th mandala of Rig Veda about the buzzing of bees, too. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: A little lengthy but, it reminds me of MMY's analogy of the flower, we see the flower (or a bag of cookies, works better) and we become so identified with it that we lose the awareness of the Silence or Self within, thru *identification*, we lose the state of Being...thru *attachment* we perpetuate that identification and are damned to reincarnate indefinitely (eternal damnation Christ spoke about) until we reestablish that essential inherent integrity (shed the mind). Billy-Vaj, You guys have book-ended an issue. My favorite theory about meat-robot-programming is that 27 repetitions are required to get something to sink in. So here's about the 20th time that I'm going to bounce this ball called Identification. Hee hee. As usual, I'll repeat, repeat, repeat, but it's for yer own good! Honest! I believe that this issue will never be resolved until one intellectually jumps out of the box within which you two are exploring, and to do so, I think we need to define the term Identification. Typically in translations of Hindu literature, we see the word attachment being used. It is said that our attachments keep us bound to objects of consciousness. I would dare say that just about everyone who posts here at FFL believes that attachment is an operative dynamic that must be attenuated until it ceases altogether, and that doing so is a spiritually evolutionary process. Yes? If you agree, then I would ask you to consider if the word identification is not a more useful translation instead of attachment. I think the word attachment just has too much baggage from its overuse by virtually every religious tradition. Attachment implies that, to be literal, one somehow bonds one's, what?, mind? self? personality? to an object of consciousness by some means that is but seldom explicated with any scholarly fine print when the masses are instructed about attachment. And, how could the masses actually be instructed without, you know, cramming into them some of the notable posts here by Vaj about the Buddhist delineations of the finest nuances of the thinking process? I'd say but few have the brain power to absorb Vaj's fine print, so it is understandable that gurus use broad concepts only in their public lectures. To me attachment means: an egoic process has become part of another brain process. The ego has become attached to, say, a new automobile, and whenever the automobile is an object of consciousness the egoic processes are ALSO operative and, as if, saturating the experiential mix, and this is felt/experienced as background notions of ownership, feelings of pride, sense of empowerment, etc. It is no longer an automobile, but rather it is -- now -- MY automobile. And just so, let us leap to this concept: any thought is merely an object of consciousness and that each and every thought-feeling that we have also has this egoic process attending it. The small I -- ego -- pretends that it is witnessing the object of consciousness when in fact the true witness is beyond processes and IS NOT AN OBJECT OF CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. The small I deludes itself to be beyond consciousness too, but, analysis reveals that it is merely the white stuff in chicken shit -- that is, more chicken shit. Enlightenment has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET THE EGO TO STOP BEING PART OF OTHER PROCESSES. The true witness is the perfect silence -- silence is the canvas, the foundation, of the processes we label consciousness. Since we are dealing with words and time and space, the term witness seems necessarily drawn into the tarbaby of creation -- it too must be a processing, see? Language -- I hate it. But nope, and that's my point. Attachment is not an act, not a process -- get that? -- it's not someTHING that must be undone, mitigated, augmented, whatever. And I maintain that by using the word Identification instead of attachement, we can see the baby in the bath water more easily. If I see two bugs scrambling on the ground both going towards some target, I can IDENTIFY with one of them, and it becomes me, and I'm betting on that bug's karma and hoping for its success, while the other bug is, as if, unsupported by my, er, cheerleading. As the bugs run, my mind will be placing its egoic process -- mislabeled attention -- on the bug I've selected. As I do so, my attachment to the bug will increase -- meaning that my egoic processes will become more hardwired and integrated with the processes called seeing this bug scramble. This merely describes the process of the ego process intertwining with the seeing bug process; it has nothing to do with the attachment that spiritual teachers are talking about. How so? Well, first of all, every guru whatever was, still has an egoic process. They all use the word I, and we all know what they mean by it -- the body,
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: snip So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't He *did*. Why do you think he made such a point of TM being compatible with all religions?? Judy, if you can tell me where in MMY's *formal teachings*, the saying that TM should be practiced in conjunction with your Religion, I will never post on this subject again! And quietly disappear:-) The whole section Fulfillment of Religion in Science of Being and Art of Living, especially the last four paragraphs. Bye-bye. Sorry but he doesn't make the argument that TM should be practiced in conjuction with your Religion, he suggests if you are Religious TM will be cool with your Religion (that is, after you realize how stupid it is)! You see after you practice TM you will *see the errors of your ways*, that is what he is saying. He is not saying TM is consistent with the idea that, unless you believe in Jesus you are eternally damned, this is entirely inconsistent with the practice and teachings of TM, in any fashion! Religions are in basic ignorance of the essential reality of life, TM is not consistent with ignorance. He doesn't make any such comment, sorry but I'll have to continue harassing you!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.li...@... wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: sparaig wrote: I've know people with tinnitus. I believe it is part of a constellation involving migraine headaches. I don't like uga booga diagnoses like vata disturbance but indeed tinnitus does seem to go hand in hand with being hyper and weak nerved. It can be extremely disturbing and can even result in the Van Gogh solution.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:10 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.li...@... wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... Not likely. You've not denounced anyone here lately nor blatantly violated one of the rules on which FFL operates, that being honoring anonymity within FFL. Nor have you decided that denouncing another member (yet another rule violation) is cool. I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. Yes. Very strong. But so posts by Barry and Peter been. Strong violations of the rules set up for posting on FFL. Since our moderators/owner had not taken any action, well, it appears anything really does go in FFL. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? I never liked seeing the word in FFL under any circumstances. FFL supposed to be a non-adult forum. I suspect use of the word is against Yahoo's TOS. But the word's been used many times. For it's shock value, IMO. If it's OK for one poster to use it and another and another, then why suddenly find using it a problem? Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
Curtis, Personally I love the word cunt. Feels good saying it aloud. But, yeah, fairfield.lifer's a cunt for sure. (Cunt meaning whatever fairfield.lifer meant by it, not what I mean by it. Let me admit I have used it as a synonym for bitch in my past -- I am not without sin here.) But I know it's wrong to turn a woman's heavenly nether into a four-letter epithet. And, if I did so, I'd be a sexist pig spewing the most vile chauvinism of the first order. But, I've taken a New Year's vow to be sweeter, truer and more necessary, so there goes any basis for blasting away at FF.lifer. Rats! I hate resolutions. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.lifer@ wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: I've know people with tinnitus. I believe it is part of a constellation involving migraine headaches. I don't like uga booga diagnoses like vata disturbance but indeed tinnitus does seem to go hand in hand with being hyper and weak nerved. It can be extremely disturbing and can even result in the Van Gogh solution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [...] Anyone who finds that noise or lack thereof somehow interferes with TM should get checked (and/or move to a less painfully noisy spot if possible and stick earplugs or cotton or moistened toilet paper or whatever in their ears if not-in the worst case uyou can just put your fingers in your ears and find the most comfortable position to meditate). Lawson I'd love to see if you can meditate with a bad case of tinnitus, Lawson. Tinnitus is internal. You can plug your ears all you want and in fact plugging it may make it worse. What would remain would be your mantra and your brain screaming. And with some cases as the metabolism lowers due to the meditation the tinnitus increases. As for that bee sound which I've heard too it was rather remote and a completely different thing than tinnitus and never overpowered the meditation. It might not be possible to meditate while in extreme situations, but everyone's definition of extreme is different. Suffice to say that the only situations where I've found myself unable to meditate are situations where I am so supremely uncomfrotable that I can't stop myself from screaming and since I've had unstressing bad enough to evoke screaming, even that statement is misleading. YMMV L
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: A little lengthy but, it reminds me of MMY's analogy of the flower, we see the flower (or a bag of cookies, works better) and we become so identified with it that we lose the awareness of the Silence or Self within, thru *identification*, we lose the state of Being...thru *attachment* we perpetuate that identification and are damned to reincarnate indefinitely (eternal damnation Christ spoke about) until we reestablish that essential inherent integrity (shed the mind). Edg: I would dare say that just about everyone who posts here at FFL believes that attachment is an operative dynamic that must be attenuated until it ceases altogether, and that doing so is a spiritually evolutionary process. Yes? I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus. It is a made-up problem. I am not identified with any object of perception. I can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as some kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived. The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right now and need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we are inside is wrong and unenlightened, the mistake of the intellect, seems to be a manufactured problem meant to enslave people who are not confident about themselves. It worked on me when I was a LOT younger. And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape?Being damned to live again? We should be so lucky. Who is having such a sucky life that you wouldn't jump at the chance for another one? Billy-Vaj, You guys have book-ended an issue. My favorite theory about meat-robot-programming is that 27 repetitions are required to get something to sink in. So here's about the 20th time that I'm going to bounce this ball called Identification. Hee hee. As usual, I'll repeat, repeat, repeat, but it's for yer own good! Honest! I believe that this issue will never be resolved until one intellectually jumps out of the box within which you two are exploring, and to do so, I think we need to define the term Identification. Typically in translations of Hindu literature, we see the word attachment being used. It is said that our attachments keep us bound to objects of consciousness. I would dare say that just about everyone who posts here at FFL believes that attachment is an operative dynamic that must be attenuated until it ceases altogether, and that doing so is a spiritually evolutionary process. Yes? If you agree, then I would ask you to consider if the word identification is not a more useful translation instead of attachment. I think the word attachment just has too much baggage from its overuse by virtually every religious tradition. Attachment implies that, to be literal, one somehow bonds one's, what?, mind? self? personality? to an object of consciousness by some means that is but seldom explicated with any scholarly fine print when the masses are instructed about attachment. And, how could the masses actually be instructed without, you know, cramming into them some of the notable posts here by Vaj about the Buddhist delineations of the finest nuances of the thinking process? I'd say but few have the brain power to absorb Vaj's fine print, so it is understandable that gurus use broad concepts only in their public lectures. To me attachment means: an egoic process has become part of another brain process. The ego has become attached to, say, a new automobile, and whenever the automobile is an object of consciousness the egoic processes are ALSO operative and, as if, saturating the experiential mix, and this is felt/experienced as background notions of ownership, feelings of pride, sense of empowerment, etc. It is no longer an automobile, but rather it is -- now -- MY automobile. And just so, let us leap to this concept: any thought is merely an object of consciousness and that each and every thought-feeling that we have also has this egoic process attending it. The small I -- ego -- pretends that it is witnessing the object of consciousness when in fact the true witness is beyond processes and IS NOT AN OBJECT OF CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. The small I deludes itself to be beyond consciousness too, but, analysis reveals that it is merely the white stuff in chicken shit -- that is, more chicken shit. Enlightenment has NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET THE EGO TO STOP BEING PART OF OTHER PROCESSES. The true witness is the perfect silence -- silence is the canvas, the foundation, of the processes we label consciousness. Since we are dealing with words and time and space, the term witness seems necessarily drawn into the tarbaby of creation -- it too must be a processing, see? Language -- I hate it. But nope,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.li...@... wrote: Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it. Thanks for responding directly. I haven't been following the board too closely so I don't know what brought it on. I wasn't even appealing for more civil discourse within posts. I just don't like to see our names being turned into weapons. It is just my preference. I'll read back a bit so see if I can find what make you feel so strongly. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:10 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.lifer@ wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... Not likely. You've not denounced anyone here lately nor blatantly violated one of the rules on which FFL operates, that being honoring anonymity within FFL. Nor have you decided that denouncing another member (yet another rule violation) is cool. I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. Yes. Very strong. But so posts by Barry and Peter been. Strong violations of the rules set up for posting on FFL. Since our moderators/owner had not taken any action, well, it appears anything really does go in FFL. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? I never liked seeing the word in FFL under any circumstances. FFL supposed to be a non-adult forum. I suspect use of the word is against Yahoo's TOS. But the word's been used many times. For it's shock value, IMO. If it's OK for one poster to use it and another and another, then why suddenly find using it a problem? Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Significance of the Global Country of World Peace
in spite of you responding to me as a condescending asshole, a role which you apparently relish, i'll respond to the core of what my issue is with the rational part of what you have written: They state fantastic things -- things that 99.9% of the human beings on this planet would consider nut- baggery -- as if they were established fact. And they clearly believe *that* they are established fact. I am certain that John is being completely sincere in stating that this ideal society he is talking about in the future once existed in full flower here on Earth. But WHY does he believe this? Clearly, there is no historical record to support the claim. Just as clearly, all historical evidence refutes it entirely and suggests the opposite. But yet he believes it to the core of his being. WHY? you make a claim here that history refutes what John believes. i disagree. ancient historical records are very subjective, because of the rarity of written records the further back in time that we go. and there is even a limit as to how far back historical records go, period. if as the Maharishi and others (like Edgar Cayce, for example) have said, that human civilizations go back much further than is commonly accepted, it is entirely possible that a Vedic civilization existed at some point, without any currently existing written or archeological records. sure, you make your magical claims about golden light and levitation, while John claims that Vedic civilization in its purity existed once. the commonality? both are claims that cannot be independently verified, or dismissed. i am genuinely sorry that your limited intellect was unable to bridge the extent of my thinking, but the comparison between your assumptions and John's is an apt one. now you can yell at me and continue to wet your pants, but my question to you still stands: why one standard of criteria for you, and quite another for those practicing TM?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I got a friend of mine who had tinnitus doing TM. It was a difficult situation, as she was the vata imbalanced type (former ballet star who followed a macrobiotic diet for decades) who suffered from migranes. Eventually her tinnitus calmed down. There's this very touchy area with respect to TM and pain, TM and effort. We have instructions that if we're sick it's OK to meditate all we want. The problem is that when you're sick, TM really brings the attention to the fever, the aches, the pains, the yuk feeling, the fatigue. Now the instruction for strong sensations is to allow them to pass, indeed to lie down if that's needed to allow them to pass. Well, which is it. Do you lie down because you're sick, or do you do TM. And if you do TM, then why bother because you'll quickly feel worse and need to follow the lying down instruction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: WARNING: grownup words used below. Curtis, Personally I love the word cunt. Feels good saying it aloud. But, yeah, fairfield.lifer's a cunt for sure. Remember Lenny Bruce's routine about using fuck you as a curse? He said it should be a blessing because it is such a wonderful thing! I hope you get fucked repeatedly and hard my friend! And if there is no one around, may you fuck yourself and have a great time. The C word is a power word and I'm not saying it should not be used in posts. I just think it is too strong for a name. (Cunt meaning whatever fairfield.lifer meant by it, not what I mean by it. Let me admit I have used it as a synonym for bitch in my past -- I am not without sin here.) But I know it's wrong to turn a woman's heavenly nether into a four-letter epithet. And, if I did so, I'd be a sexist pig spewing the most vile chauvinism of the first order. But, I've taken a New Year's vow to be sweeter, truer and more necessary, so there goes any basis for blasting away at FF.lifer. Rats! I hate resolutions. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.lifer@ wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: I've know people with tinnitus. I believe it is part of a constellation involving migraine headaches. I don't like uga booga diagnoses like vata disturbance but indeed tinnitus does seem to go hand in hand with being hyper and weak nerved. It can be extremely disturbing and can even result in the Van Gogh solution.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jim Gasparini's scattered Pontifications
yifuxero wrote: http://www.well.com/user/jimg/index.html#pontifications I used to work with Jim at a company so it is interesting to see what he is up to these days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.lifer@ wrote: Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it. Thanks for responding directly. I haven't been following the board too closely so I don't know what brought it on. Essentially, I am the Eternal / FFL Lifer / TP made some statements that almost everyone here (all but one, in fact) perceived as racist. Edg and Marek called him on this. He responded by making real-world threats to create a website and post on it all the information he could dig up about Edg and Marek -- bankruptcies, credit reports, home addresses and phone numbers, etc. It was clearly a threat. I responded by (having figured out long ago who this poster was) suggesting that if he felt that bringing real-world actions into the picture on this virtual world of FFL was appropriate, nothing was preventing either of the people he threatened with finding a few of his posts ragging on the TMO and sending them to the course administrators for IA, with his real name attached. I further suggested that he knew what would probably happen to his ability to attend future such courses as a result. I also found and posted a quote of *his* in which he not only admitted to being a racist (the thing he claimed he was angry at Edg and Marek for call- ing him), but admitted it *proudly*. In other words, his inner crazy person decided to come out and threaten to ¨play hardball¨ here. I showed him what hardball was. He dropped the threats. Obviously his inner crazy person is acting up again...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:40 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.li...@... wrote: Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it. Thanks for responding directly. I haven't been following the board too closely so I don't know what brought it on. I wasn't even appealing for more civil discourse within posts. I just don't like to see our names being turned into weapons. It is just my preference. I'll read back a bit so see if I can find what make you feel so strongly. It deals with the decision of some idiots here (and what's interesting is that Ruth, Raunchy and Judy don't get involved) of not bothering to read through posts and instead immediately calling people the R word. Like the R word were the worse thing something could ever be. It's OK to report that you're drug addled and actually seek help in acquiring drugs on FFL, but don't ever get characterized with the R word. On top of that there's Peter's mistaken attempt to out a poster who posts anonymously (against FFL rules) because in Peter's eyes, the person deserves the R word. Interestingly enough others here can carry on thoughtful discussions without using the R charge. But the overly R sensitive people on FFL believe they own the group, it appears.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: In other words, his inner crazy person decided to come out and threaten to ¨play hardball¨ here. I showed him what hardball was. He dropped the threats. Obviously his inner crazy person is acting up again... No reason to threaten when you've got good friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.lifer@ wrote: Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it. Thanks for responding directly. I haven't been following the board too closely so I don't know what brought it on. Essentially, I am the Eternal / FFL Lifer / TP made some statements that almost everyone here (all but one, in fact) perceived as racist. Edg and Marek called him on this. He responded by making real-world threats to create a website and post on it all the information he could dig up about Edg and Marek -- bankruptcies, credit reports, home addresses and phone numbers, etc. It was clearly a threat. I responded by (having figured out long ago who this poster was) suggesting that if he felt that bringing real-world actions into the picture on this virtual world of FFL was appropriate, nothing was preventing either of the people he threatened with finding a few of his posts ragging on the TMO and sending them to the course administrators for IA, with his real name attached. I further suggested that he knew what would probably happen to his ability to attend future such courses as a result. I also found and posted a quote of *his* in which he not only admitted to being a racist (the thing he claimed he was angry at Edg and Marek for call- ing him), but admitted it *proudly*. In other words, his inner crazy person decided to come out and threaten to ¨play hardball¨ here. I showed him what hardball was. He dropped the threats. Obviously his inner crazy person is acting up again... Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. Like I said, inner crazy person. So crazy that it cannot even discern the right person to launch a vendetta against. The thing is, when this person *isn't* indulging his inner crazy person, he's often fun to read and interact with. But when he gets like this, calling someone *else* a stupid cunt is kinda laughable.
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: A little lengthy but, it reminds me of MMY's analogy of the flower, we see the flower (or a bag of cookies, works better) and we become so identified with it that we lose the awareness of the Silence or Self within, thru *identification*, we lose the state of Being...thru *attachment* we perpetuate that identification and are damned to reincarnate indefinitely (eternal damnation Christ spoke about) until we reestablish that essential inherent integrity (shed the mind). Edg: I would dare say that just about everyone who posts here at FFL believes that attachment is an operative dynamic that must be attenuated until it ceases altogether, and that doing so is a spiritually evolutionary process. Yes? I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus. It is a made-up problem. I am not identified with any object of perception. I can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as some kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived. The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right now and need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we are inside is wrong and unenlightened, the mistake of the intellect, seems to be a manufactured problem meant to enslave people who are not confident about themselves. It worked on me when I was a LOT younger. And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape?Being damned to live again? We should be so lucky. Who is having such a sucky life that you wouldn't jump at the chance for another one? That's nice Curtis, we're so happy for you, now that you're an adult. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. Like I said, inner crazy person. So crazy that it cannot even discern the right person to launch a vendetta against. The thing is, when this person *isn't* indulging his inner crazy person, he's often fun to read and interact with. But when he gets like this, calling someone *else* a stupid cunt is kinda laughable. The pot calling the kettle black? Barry the cosmic joke from a.m.t to FFL? I have the post in my archives. It was Dr. Pete who flew into a tizzy about the statement about blacks not learning TM and the suppositions amongst the teachers as to why. He used a real name, a violation of the rules of FFL. As far as calling someone crazy, I gruess Barry needs to have some more people join in with Judy in showing Barry what a fetished fool he is. Now what's very interesting is that although Peter had to go defensive and say yeah, we all sat around until 10 PM each night brainstorming about which race was inferior so we could send it to Seelisburg, others were able to carry on a discussion which went on to talk about American Indians as also not heavily into TM. So there are some in FFL who have to go ballastic because of their own insecurities while others can just carry on the dialog.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
Vaj wrote: Where does he get this stuff? snip If the prerequisites [limbs] of samadhi are not met... - Shantideva. You got all mixed up again, Shantideva was a Buddhist scholar, famous at Nalanda. Apparently Shantideva didn't have anything to say about Patanjali's 'samadhi', which Shantideva probably diasproved of, seeing as how Patanjali was a pluralist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
interesting insight. both of the hobby buddhists on this site (not criticizing, both admit this openly) have asserted things lately to which they will not respond, except by being nasty, insulting and arrogant; Barry for failing miserably to explain his double standard regarding TMers and himself, and speaking of Self, Vaj for being unable to explain why he openly contradicted and, in effect, insulted Amma, by giving one of the dumbest definitions of the Self this side of the Rockies. interesting that both of these individuals constantly challenge TMers here on FFL, but when asked to respond to their own twisted logic and inconsistencies, all either of them can do is get angry and stalk off- an age appropriate action for what, a two year old, or at best a ten year old? my theory is that because neither of these individuals has practiced TM, and regularly trascended, for decades, their minds have become rigid and inflexible; they believe what they believe and to hell with anyone who challenges them. except in Barry's case, in which he freely admits to being both unstable AND rigid. the fellows ought to get a mantra and begin taking it as it comes. until then all we are left with are a couple of old farts who can't do much when challenged except whine or go mute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. Like I said, inner crazy person. So crazy that it cannot even discern the right person to launch a vendetta against. The thing is, when this person *isn't* indulging his inner crazy person, he's often fun to read and interact with. But when he gets like this, calling someone *else* a stupid cunt is kinda laughable. The pot calling the kettle black? Barry the cosmic joke from a.m.t to FFL? I have the post in my archives. It was Dr. Pete who flew into a tizzy about the statement about blacks not learning TM and the suppositions amongst the teachers as to why. He used a real name, a violation of the rules of FFL. As far as calling someone crazy, I gruess Barry needs to have some more people join in with Judy in showing Barry what a fetished fool he is. Now what's very interesting is that although Peter had to go defensive and say yeah, we all sat around until 10 PM each night brainstorming about which race was inferior so we could send it to Seelisburg, others were able to carry on a discussion which went on to talk about American Indians as also not heavily into TM. So there are some in FFL who have to go ballastic because of their own insecurities while others can just carry on the dialog.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: snip So why didn't MMY recommend in his formal teachings that TM was meant to be practiced *in conjunction* with your Religion? He didn't He *did*. Why do you think he made such a point of TM being compatible with all religions?? Judy, if you can tell me where in MMY's *formal teachings*, the saying that TM should be practiced in conjunction with your Religion, I will never post on this subject again! And quietly disappear:-) The whole section Fulfillment of Religion in Science of Being and Art of Living, especially the last four paragraphs. Bye-bye. Sorry but he doesn't make the argument that TM should be practiced in conjuction with your Religion, he suggests if you are Religious TM will be cool with your Religion (that is, after you realize how stupid it is)! Read it again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.lifer@ wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, remember, according to A Hermit in the House and talks of Maharishi from those days, the food you eat is somehow transformed with the consciousness of the person growing and cooking it. Precisely what this study attempted to document. From the introuduction: Why does homemade chicken soup taste better than the same soup purchased at a restaurant or scooped out of a can? Proposed explanations range from the serious to the humorous. Among the serious reasons, one contributor is undoubtedly the nurturing association between home and food. Another might be an ingredient missing from both the restaurant and the soup can--the role of good intentions. Parental love and caring are known to be significant predictors of a child's future health. Is it conceivable that such factors may also be subtle 'ingredients' in food? Most cultures have maintained the belief that spells, prayers, or intentions can be mentally imprinted into substances, which if ingested, would help bring about those intentions. The act of blessing water, wine, and bread still plays a central role in many religious rituals, and even in secular contexts the practice of toasting or offering special salutes with food or drink is universal. (The practice of saying grace before meals, of course, is another common example.) MOVIE SPOILER ALERT: CHOCOLAT Chocolate is my favorite vegetable. I always feel happy when I eat it and I wonder if I would have been able to tell the difference if chocolate had been exposed to good intentions. Anyway, your post reminded me of the wonderful movie Chocolat and I imagined Vianne Rocher's magical ingredient was her intention to liberate the power of the senses. She learned her craft, with a dash of sorcery, from her mother, a Mayan woman. Her father, a French pharmacist, had traveled to South America to discover ancient formulas of Mayan Indians for his remedies. One night, he drank a chocolate beverage served by a Vianne's mother, which unlocked his hidden yearnings and he fell in love with her. They married and he brought her to France but she couldn't bear conventional life. She left her husband and followed the call of the north wind traveling from town to town with her daughter, Vianne, curing neuroses and phobias with her chocolate formula. Vianne was more than a chocolatier. She was a chocolate alchemist, skillfully using her intention to transform the fruit of the cocoa plant into an elixir of chocolate bon bons. Her chocolates never failed to overwhelm the unsuspecting customer with endorphins and the desire to procreate. Loved the movie, sumptuous, delicious. youtube movie trailer: http://tinyurl.com/bwdo22 synopsis: http://tinyurl.com/dzmrem blog: http://tinyurl.com/but428 guaranteed to make you crave chocolate: http://tinyurl.com/dx6jnn
[FairfieldLife] Re: California May Be Broke But...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: California may be broke and you'd think that would be the top of the news in Bay Area papers, right? No.. it is the Barry Bonds steroids case. We can see where Californians priorities are and why I will have little sympathy for them as they wind up living in the streets. Heard on the radio that the dirty little secret about the stimulus plan is actually to bail out California since it represents such a large economic influence over the rest of the country.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Chocolate is my favorite vegetable. I am heavily into life extension type supplements. Over the past year chocolate has become my favorite vegetable, literally. Let's omit the definition of a vegetable as far as botany is concerned. Many of our favorite vegetables aren't. Take for example tomatoes. They are fruit. Darkly colored food turn out to have very potent anti-oxidant and other qualities. There are even researchers factionating chocolate so they can patent compounds used in medical treatment. I stir a couple of spoonsful of unsweetened cocoa into my morning coffee. Not only does it give me a lift and wake me up, there are many, many health benefits. The movie Chocolat was really amazing. I loved it. The mixing of chocolate and lust. Wonderful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. I went back through the posts. The attempted outing was done by Kirk, our resident wry stand up comedian (I assume). The one who loves to throw guru names and words into his posts, can't make the connection between his spiritual practices and his life being in chaos, and who solicits on FFL for someone outside of the US to source for him a Scheduled I controlled substance. What is it about the Buddhists here? Is it that they don't really practice this stuff? I mean it's not exactly like going off someplace to spend 8+ hours a day meditating for weeks to months at a time. The TMers here at least have a program that last at least 22 minutes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Chocolate is my favorite vegetable. I am heavily into life extension type supplements. Over the past year chocolate has become my favorite vegetable, literally. Let's omit the definition of a vegetable as far as botany is concerned. Many of our favorite vegetables aren't. Take for example tomatoes. They are fruit. Darkly colored food turn out to have very potent anti-oxidant and other qualities. There are even researchers factionating chocolate so they can patent compounds used in medical treatment. I stir a couple of spoonsful of unsweetened cocoa into my morning coffee. Not only does it give me a lift and wake me up, there are many, many health benefits. The movie Chocolat was really amazing. I loved it. The mixing of chocolate and lust. Wonderful. Have you tried cocoa nibs? I grind 1/2 tsp with coffee beans. It's a tasty brew for a good morning kick in the pants.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Feb 7, 2009, at 2:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Barry is a stupid cunt fairfield.li...@... wrote: At the risk of becoming the target to the next offensive name... I don't dig this name or the one directed toward Peter. Must have missed that one. The C word is over the top for a name. I'm not a fan of censoring content, there anything goes. But having this in the name creates a weird vibe for me. I don't care who is the target. We can do better here. Am I the only one who feels this way? No. I was going to send a private email to Rick but this is better. Whoever this is needs to grow up. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought-laced Chocolate
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:11 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Have you tried cocoa nibs? I grind 1/2 tsp with coffee beans. It's a tasty brew for a good morning kick in the pants. Yes, I have cocoa nibs. Never thought of grinding with coffee to make mocha. I'll give it a try. I tried adding cocoa to the coffee filter and all I got was a clogged coffee filter and a big mess. Cocoa powder has the fat removed which from what I've been able to tell isn't such a bad thing. Or neutral thing, as it appears that cocoa butter doesn't have nutritional value except for fat. A problem with brewing cocoa is that you're not going to get all that much of the constituents into the brew, which is why I stir in cocoa powder. Now to mellow out the addition of cocoa I add a teaspoon of Mexican hot chocolate. Yum. Mexicans love cinnamon and cinnamon goes great with cocoa. But I've been down my rhapsodizing over the Mexican use of chocolate before. In a few minutes I'm going to sit down to mole plabano, the weekend treat (takes quite a while to make from scratch).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
Barry is a stupid cunt wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: sparaig wrote: I've know people with tinnitus. I believe it is part of a constellation involving migraine headaches. I don't like uga booga diagnoses like vata disturbance but indeed tinnitus does seem to go hand in hand with being hyper and weak nerved. It can be extremely disturbing and can even result in the Van Gogh solution. Ayurveda isn't that ooga booga unless you haven't studied up on it. It probably makes more sense than the esoteric yogic practices. For instance pitta imbalances being usually of fire correspond to inflammatory diseases and those diseases respond well to the ayurvedic cures. Kapha being water and earth maps well to things like congestive heart failure, obesity (particularly the kind where you don't even eat that much but still gain weight), diabetes, etc. And those cures work well with those diseases. Vata being air needs calming and you are correct about hyperness and nervousness. And those cures work well for those imbalances. In fact a lot of pharmaceutical drugs may actually be based on or coincidentally create the same effect as the ayurvedic cures. If you take some workshops on ayurveda you'll see it is mainly a method of mapping certain bodily disturbances to the different doshas and nothing ooga booga about it at all. I suspect some folks here think it is ooga booga because they went to a practitioner who didn't fully understand it either. Most of the time ayurveda relates tinnitus to a vata disturbance though there are possibilities from the other doshas too. In the vata case it is that the nerves and sensors in the ear can be malnourished and dried out and that is when they start ringing and people experience hearing loss. A lot of cures attempt to nourish and calm the system so those nerves won't fire either because of the stress, malnutrition or dryness. Ginkgo can improve circulation to those areas. Just improving circulation in general can help with tinnitus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. I went back through the posts. The attempted outing was done by Kirk, our resident wry stand up comedian (I assume). I guess that's as close to an apology as we're ever likely to get from you, eh? Now how about a real one for Dr. Pete, whom you have been slandering without reason? While you're at it, why not throw in an apology for making real-world threats against Edg and Marek over calling you on being a racist, when you yourself posted this: Don't bother calling me a racist. I proclaim that I am one. Now what are you going to do about it? Call me on it? I am proud to proclaim that I am one. Do you think calling me one discredits anything else I write in this snake pit? It certainly doesn't shame me to call me what I freely admit to being. Proudly admit to being. The one who loves to throw guru names and words into his posts, can't make the connection between his spiritual practices and his life being in chaos, and who solicits on FFL for someone outside of the US to source for him a Scheduled I controlled substance. What is it about the Buddhists here? Is it that they don't really practice this stuff? I mean it's not exactly like going off someplace to spend 8+ hours a day meditating for weeks to months at a time. The TMers here at least have a program that last at least 22 minutes. I think you should address comments like this to Ji...uh...I mean enlightened_dawn11. He...uh...I mean she has issues about being outed, too. And tends to indulge in similar hissy fits rather than just admit to having karma here, and living with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Ayurveda isn't that ooga booga unless you haven't studied up on it. Ayurveda is not an ooga booga thing if one has studied Ayurveda in great enough detail to examine the sub-sub-sub-sub doshas and can truly map these to the structure and physiology of the body. At that level there is a reality to it. But most don't. So they think they are somehow being scientific when they talk about vata disturbances and nerves and senses being dried out. OK, show me nerves and senses being dried out and I'll believe that you're just not using Ayurveda as descriptive philosophy or maybe descriptive high level morphology. Now if I sit down with someone who really knows Ayurveda, in intricate detail, they can describe and I can find what they're talking about in Greys Anatomy. Those people I believe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: If you read MMY's Bhagavad Gita Appendix on Yoga you will find this comment, quote: With the continuous practice of all these limbs, or means, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all the eight spheres of life MMY HB pg363 complete Yoga as defined by Maharishi Patanjali. Unfortunately, this adulterated Patanjali's teachings and left them somewhat diminished in their effectiveness. Perhaps MMY thought he could incorporate the other important limbs (or means) later when people would be more receptive...who knows? IMO, this whole mess boils down to this: ONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO (at least almost) BRING ABOUT THE FOURTH (praaNaayaama),in order to be able to perform(or whatever) /saMyama/. YS II 51 - 53: baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH. tataH kSiiyate prakaashaavaraNam. *** dhaaraNaasu ca yogyataa manasaH *** END OF DISCUSSION! ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
why do you persist in thinking i am a man, or blond, or all of the other things you insinuate about me? do i not have the right to privacy in your mind, or is it simpy that i have called you on something, and rather than answer me honestly, you indulge in this infantile distraction? or are you simply sexually insecure? Judy mentioned that you used to switch genders on chat rooms, and now you go by an eastern sounding name. i don't know about your hair color, but i am beginning to think all of the things you say about me are things you don't care for very much in yourself. now, i wonder if you have worked up the courage and honesty to answer my earlier question: why the different set of criteria with regard to beliefs between you and those who practice TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I think you should address comments like this to Ji...uh...I mean enlightened_dawn11. He...uh...I mean she has issues about being outed, too. And tends to indulge in similar hissy fits rather than just admit to having karma here, and living with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? I have tinnitus and I am experiencing it right now. I also have been a meditator for 33 years and the tinnitus has never been a distraction. I just drink way too much coffee, my drug of choice, which, I am sure, is the cause of the ringing. My wife is a totally decaf person and has been for several years. She has no tinnitus that she is aware and has extremely good and sensitive hearing, especially when compared to moi. However, she does occasionally report a buzzing sensation in some of her deeper mediations. I've never have had a good explaination of what could be the source of that buzz ( the sound of the Universe?).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
Tell me - what do most of you eat or drink here? I'm stunned by the loquaciousness! But, jibber-jabber is everyone's right. Are ya all lonely? Arhata --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@.. . wrote: The last few times I taught TM I got a question I had not prepared for during teacher training. People would ask, What's that ringing in my ears? I figured the sound had always been there, but the person had never been quiet enough to hear it. But then I read this in a recent New Yorker: Some people with normal hearing develop spontaneous tinnitus when placed in total silence; this is believed to be a response of the auditory cortex to the abnormal absence of all ambient sounds. - Jerome Groopman, That Buzzing Sound, The New Yorker, February 9 16, 2009 Anybody else here run across this experience? I have tinnitus and I am experiencing it right now. I also have been a meditator for 33 years and the tinnitus has never been a distraction. I just drink way too much coffee, my drug of choice, which, I am sure, is the cause of the ringing. My wife is a totally decaf person and has been for several years. She has no tinnitus that she is aware and has extremely good and sensitive hearing, especially when compared to moi. However, she does occasionally report a buzzing sensation in some of her deeper mediations. I've never have had a good explaination of what could be the source of that buzz ( the sound of the Universe?).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: why do you persist in thinking i am a man, or blond, or all of the other things you insinuate about me? do i not have the right to privacy in your mind, or is it simpy that i have called you on something, and rather than answer me honestly, you indulge in this infantile distraction? Barry's a fantasist. When he doesn't care for whatever the reality of a given situation may be, he simply creates his own more pleasing reality in his mind. It's never been entirely clear to what degree he's *aware* that his fantasies aren't reality; it's possible that he genuinely believes them to be true. But I don't think that's likely. I think he knows they're fantasies but is convinced that it should be perfectly OK for him to present them as fact, and that he shouldn't have to be accountable for his falsehoods, especially when they concern people he doesn't like.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.li...@... wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I got a friend of mine who had tinnitus doing TM. It was a difficult situation, as she was the vata imbalanced type (former ballet star who followed a macrobiotic diet for decades) who suffered from migranes. Eventually her tinnitus calmed down. There's this very touchy area with respect to TM and pain, TM and effort. We have instructions that if we're sick it's OK to meditate all we want. The problem is that when you're sick, TM really brings the attention to the fever, the aches, the pains, the yuk feeling, the fatigue. Now the instruction for strong sensations is to allow them to pass, indeed to lie down if that's needed to allow them to pass. Well, which is it. Do you lie down because you're sick, or do you do TM. And if you do TM, then why bother because you'll quickly feel worse and need to follow the lying down instruction. It depends... THough, think of it this way, if you can't think, you can't mediate, soyou might as well sleep. OTOH, if you can thinkk, you can meditate, so you might as well meditate. Choosing the second doesn't preclude the first of course. L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs or *means* must be practiced-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: If you read MMY's Bhagavad Gita Appendix on Yoga you will find this comment, quote: With the continuous practice of all these limbs, or means, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all the eight spheres of life MMY HB pg363 complete Yoga as defined by Maharishi Patanjali. Unfortunately, this adulterated Patanjali's teachings and left them somewhat diminished in their effectiveness. Perhaps MMY thought he could incorporate the other important limbs (or means) later when people would be more receptive...who knows? IMO, this whole mess boils down to this: ONE HAS TO BE ABLE TO (at least almost) BRING ABOUT THE FOURTH (praaNaayaama),in order to be able to perform(or whatever) /saMyama/. YS II 51 - 53: baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH. tataH kSiiyate prakaashaavaraNam. *** dhaaraNaasu ca yogyataa manasaH *** END OF DISCUSSION! ;D And as I've pointed out many times, the fourth [pranayaman] to me implies the spontaneous breath suspension seen in some people during TC during TM. Whatevah. L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Feb 07 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Feb 14 00:00:00 2009 128 messages as of (UTC) Sun Feb 08 00:10:11 2009 16 sparaig lengli...@... 13 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Ack! L.
[FairfieldLife] More virtual worlds...
Well, perhaps I can refrain from posting so much by more participation in this... https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmox http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/MmoxCharter Mailing list and charter for new [proposed] internet working group for virtual worlds interoperation and related issues. For the truly Geek at Heart. L
[FairfieldLife] Education based on Enlightenment
this link will keep the TM-haters like Vaj and the Turq busy trying to defy what is happening worldwide. let them waste their time: Links http://www.bewusstseinsbezogenebildung.de/index.php?page=links | Kontakt http://www.bewusstseinsbezogenebildung.de/index.php?page=kontakt | Impressum http://www.bewusstseinsbezogenebildung.de/index.php?page=impressum [Home] [http://www.bewusstseinsbezogenebildung.de/uploads/images/home_screen.gi\ f]
Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Duveyoung wrote: You guys have book-ended an issue. My favorite theory about meat-robot-programming is that 27 repetitions are required to get something to sink in. So here's about the 20th time that I'm going to bounce this ball called Identification. Hee hee. As usual, I'll repeat, repeat, repeat, but it's for yer own good! Honest! An object or pattern we identify with and keep in our neural circuitry--or our consciousness--depending on whether you adhere to a materialist or a consciousness-based view seems, to me, to simply be tied to two things. One is that we perform an action or observe an object an we feel a sense of satisfaction in having performed the action or engaged the object with our senses. Part of this might be called the 'sense of play'. When we throughly enjoy something, we not only get so absorbed in it time seems to fly, but we also seem to be able to retain it in memory much more easily. This is because there are endorphins released that encourage our nervous systems to want to have that experience, to remember it and to attach to it. Conversely we now know that traumatic experiences--aversive experiences--are locked into our memories due to the release of adrenalin at the time of the imprint occurring. Because of this reality we now also know that a common blood pressure med can help some people escape these adrenalin imprinted memories by breaking that neurochemical circuit. Since we now know from research in meditation that the mind can and does change the brain. It's also simple to extend this to other patterns of habitual cognition. What you think habitually, your brain becomes. You're locked in. But thanks to neuroplasticity, we can use the mind and effective meditation techniques to change the brain and release patterns we do not find useful, helpful or ones that allow destructive emotions. In many ways we are essentially virtual selves (to use the term of Buddhist biologist and neuroscientist Francisco Varela) not that much different than the millions of people enslaved by the Matrix in the movie of the same name. Varela believed, and I'm sure many meditators of different traditions might agree, that the neurological accomplishment of lived human virtue (where it becomes a part of who and what we are, hard-wired in), what he called ethical know-how is related to progressive, firthand acquaintance with the virtuality of self. To him, and to many like myself, transformation goes hand in hand with lived ethical expertise. If ethical know-how is not increasing, then real transformation is not occurring.
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip Varela believed, and I'm sure many meditators of different traditions might agree, that the neurological accomplishment of lived human virtue (where it becomes a part of who and what we are, hard-wired in), what he called ethical know-how is related to progressive, firthand acquaintance with the virtuality of self. To him, and to many like myself, transformation goes hand in hand with lived ethical expertise. If ethical know-how is not increasing, then real transformation is not occurring. Hate to think where you must have started from. Or don't you consider truth-telling to be part of ethical know-how?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation
---.To Turq. Received e mail from J.J. : Sure I remember Barry Wright tell him to call anytime and say hello. jerry I'll send his phone # Monday. Don't have it right now...I'm at a cybernet place. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter violates the FFL rules fairfield.lifer@ wrote: Attempting to bring civil discourse, with respect for diverse opinions without name calling and shouting down others would be a noble goal here on FFL. Indeed it's part of the FFL rules. But does anyone care to have it happen? It doesn't look like it. Thanks for responding directly. I haven't been following the board too closely so I don't know what brought it on. Essentially, I am the Eternal / FFL Lifer / TP made some statements that almost everyone here (all but one, in fact) perceived as racist. Edg and Marek called him on this. He responded by making real-world threats to create a website and post on it all the information he could dig up about Edg and Marek -- bankruptcies, credit reports, home addresses and phone numbers, etc. It was clearly a threat. I responded by (having figured out long ago who this poster was) suggesting that if he felt that bringing real-world actions into the picture on this virtual world of FFL was appropriate, nothing was preventing either of the people he threatened with finding a few of his posts ragging on the TMO and sending them to the course administrators for IA, with his real name attached. I further suggested that he knew what would probably happen to his ability to attend future such courses as a result. I also found and posted a quote of *his* in which he not only admitted to being a racist (the thing he claimed he was angry at Edg and Marek for call- ing him), but admitted it *proudly*. In other words, his inner crazy person decided to come out and threaten to ¨play hardball¨ here. I showed him what hardball was. He dropped the threats. Obviously his inner crazy person is acting up again... Actually, the fascinating thing in all of this is that Dr. Pete has never outed him during any of this by using his real name. Nor have I. One person did, but it wasn't Dr. Pete, it wasn't me, and it wasn't either of the people he originally threatened. Like I said, inner crazy person. So crazy that it cannot even discern the right person to launch a vendetta against. The thing is, when this person *isn't* indulging his inner crazy person, he's often fun to read and interact with. But when he gets like this, calling someone *else* a stupid cunt is kinda laughable.
[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of attachment? (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )
oh stop that Judy! don't you know Vaj is far more comfortable preaching his great (unintegrated) knowledge to all of us humble supplicants? on your knees woman and be impressed! all hail the great Vaj! knower of the self -- (oops, forgot to capitalize that self word...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Varela believed, and I'm sure many meditators of different traditions might agree, that the neurological accomplishment of lived human virtue (where it becomes a part of who and what we are, hard-wired in), what he called ethical know-how is related to progressive, firthand acquaintance with the virtuality of self. To him, and to many like myself, transformation goes hand in hand with lived ethical expertise. If ethical know-how is not increasing, then real transformation is not occurring. Hate to think where you must have started from. Or don't you consider truth-telling to be part of ethical know-how?
