[FairfieldLife] Krishna Thru the Eyes of George Harrison

[martin.quickman]

I never knew that beetle George Harrison visited many ashrams during his 
'India' years, but this old video sure looks like him to me. What do you think 
? 

http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/krishna-through-the-eyes-of-george-harrison-child-of-light/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ 
wrote:
 
  authfriend:
   Not surprsingly, this is yet another falsehood
   designed to smear Rauf and his project:
   Now obviously, these are Muslim historians 
   writing two-to-three-hundred years after 
   the events they describe...
 
 I did not write the last three lines above, as you
 know. You imported them and pretended you were
 quoting me.
 
 As you also know, the notion that the name Cordoba
 is somehow incendiary is false.
 
 Imam Feisal says he chose 'Cordoba' in recollection
 of a time when the rest of Europe had sunk into the
 Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews and Christians created an
 oasis of art, culture and science.

Some months ago I watched a most inspiring program
on Cordoba by art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon (The
Art of Spain). Unfortunately I don't think it's easy
to watch outside the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008wthr

I say inspiring as it gave an intimation of a better
life, an idea of what an age of enlightenment might look
like: a comfortable marriage of religion, philosophy, science, 
learning, sensual and aesthetic pleasure, and religious and 
social tolerance.

I don't know if it was all true, or just over-sold by Graham-
Dixon. But I found it really impressive!

From a review:

When the invading Moors - the Arabs and Berbers of north 
Africa - took Córdoba in 711, they made it into one of the 
great cities of the world. In the congenial environment of 
Andalusia they created a culture that could also encompass the 
other two peoples of the book, Christians and Jews, with a 
rare degree of enlightenment. They made every aspect of life - 
eating, drinking, bathing - into a work of art, and had a deep 
commitment to learning.

Their grasp of mathematics overflowed spectacularly into the 
intricate patterns that filled every inch of their most 
splendid buildings. The motivation was religious - to avoid 
the representation of God or living beings - and the 
combination of ornate decoration with water-filled gardens at 
the Alhambra palace in Granada came close to creating the 
illusion that paradise, the garden that awaits the righteous, 
can be made on Earth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/jan/31/art

By the by, he also visited the church of levitating nun 
Teresa of Ávila in the series. 

From Wiki:

...the ascent of the soul in four stages (The Autobiography 
Chs. 10-22):

The first, or mental prayer, is that of devout contemplation 
or concentration, the withdrawal of the soul from without and 
specially the devout observance of the passion of Christ and 
penitence (Autobiography 11.20).

The second is the prayer of quiet, in which at least the 
human will is lost in that of God by virtue of a charismatic, 
supernatural state given of God, while the other faculties, 
such as memory, reason, and imagination, are not yet secure 
from worldly distraction. While a partial distraction is due 
to outer performances such as repetition of prayers and 
writing down spiritual things, yet the prevailing state is one 
of quietude (Autobiography 14.1).

The devotion of union is not only a supernatural but an 
essentially ecstatic state. Here there is also an absorption 
of the reason in God, and only the memory and imagination are 
left to ramble. This state is characterized by a blissful 
peace, a sweet slumber of at least the higher soul faculties, 
a conscious rapture in the love of God.

The fourth is the devotion of ecstasy or rapture, a passive 
state, in which the consciousness of being in the body 
disappears (2 Corinthians 12:2-3). Sense activity ceases; 
memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or 
intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, 
happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a 
complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of 
strangulation, intermitted sometimes by such an ecstatic 
flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This 
after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of 
a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation 
of all the faculties in the union with God. From this the 
subject awakens in tears; it is the climax of mystical 
experience, productive of the trance. (Indeed, she was said to 
have been observed levitating during Mass on more than one 
occasion.)

[FairfieldLife] What to get the geek who has everything...

[PaliGap]

Undead Commodore 64 comes back for Christmas
All-in-one zombie attacks children of the 80s

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/25/commodore_name_bounces_again/

[FairfieldLife] The Bhairtu Solution

[Jason]

Crony or Casino Capitalism
 
BY AMIT VARMA

In his fine book, India After Gandhi, Ramachandra 
Guha cites the Bombay Plan as an example of the 
support Nehru's Fabian Socialism got from 
industrialists of the day, and writes, One 
wonders what free-market pundits would make of it 
now. At a colloquium of classical liberals I 
attended a few days ago in Bangalore, one attendee 
wondered why more industrialists in present-day 
India don't speak up for economic freedom. The 
answer to this is simple: big business is as much 
the enemy of free markets as big government is. 

The cornerstone of free markets, competition, is 
great for consumers, as it delivers better-quality 
products and services at lower prices. But it is 
terrible for established businesses, which are 
constantly under pressure to keep prices low and 
salaries high, and may be wiped out by more 
innovative and efficient competitors. There's 
nothing they'd like more than high entry barriers 
in their industry, so that their place is secure. 
Thus, to expect the established industrialists of 
the 1940s to support free markets would be naive: 
economic freedom is actually against the interests 
of big business. The journalist Seetha 
Parthasarathy pointed out at the colloquium I 
attended last week that the Swatantra Party, which 
spoke up so ardently for free markets in the 1950s 
and '60s, hardly got any funding from businessmen 
and industrialists of the day. That makes perfect 
sense: they would have felt threatened by it. 

This is why it irritates me no end when critics of 
free markets point to the evils of big business as 
a repudiation of our principles. The truth is that 
a libertarian or classical liberal is as wary of 
big business as a socialist is. Indeed, now that 
communism is dead, one of the greatest threats to 
freedom everywhere is not socialism, but crony 
capitalism. To look after the interests of the 
common man, we must beware of the cronies. 

Death, taxes and crony capitalism are inevitable. 
When I am in a pessimistic mood, generally after a 
bad meal or a spell of television surfing, I lose 
hope that we will ever have economic freedom. Free 
markets, indeed, seem slightly utopian. After all, 
we don't live in an economy that is a blank slate. 
We live in times of big government. Big 
governments only get bigger, not smaller. (This is 
true even in the West, when the size of government 
expanded even under fiscal conservatives like 
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.) It is not in 
the interest of those who run governments to 
curtail their power or the money available to 
them. (Like, duh.) It is a beast that keeps on 
growing, and feeding on us. 

Power and money always go together. The more power 
government has, the more it can subvert markets, 
the more big business runs to it, with big money, 
to safeguard its own interests. Crony capitalism 
is inevitable. Big government is one ass cheek, 
big business is another, and together they're 
shitting on capitalism. 

What about the recent financial crisis in the US? 
The notion that it illustrates the inadequacy of 
free markets is a simplistic one, like most 
narratives generated by the media. The crisis came 
about because of a melange of complex factors, and 
we'll be debating the respective merits of those 
for decades. There is no shortage of actors to 
blame. The low interest rates of the Fed in the 
early 2000s played a key role. (It amuses me when 
Alan Greenspan is sometimes described as a 
libertarian. Whatever his youthful infatuations 
may have been, the chairman of a central bank can 
no more be a libertarian than General Dyer was a 
freedom fighter.) Defenders of free markets will 
also point to the Community Reinvestment Act, and 
the role played by Fannie and Freddie, both 
quasi-government entities. But it is true that 
there were structural issues with the way markets 
themselves functioned at the time. 

Short-term incentives in the finance industry 
weren't aligned with long-term interests. If you 
worked in Lehman Brothers, and had to choose 
between chasing massive short-term profits (with 
the consequent bonuses for yourself) that carried 
a long-term risk to your company, and a prudence 
that would put you out of step with your peers, 
for absolutely no benefit to you and the risk of 
losing your job, what would you do? C'mon, it's 
human nature. As Chuck Prince famously said, As 
long as the music is playing, you've got to get up 
and dance. 

How does capitalism deal with this? Simple: when 
companies screw up, their bottomline gets 
affected, and sometimes they go bust. The learning 
percolates through the markets, and the incentives 
change for future players. The problem here is 
that when the long-term consequences of their 
short-term behaviour hit the finance industry, the 
government stepped in. Lehman Brothers was allowed 
to go bust, but others were bailed out on the 
grounds that they were 'too big to fail', and that 
their 

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[FairfieldLife] Insects share food advice

[Jason]

 
Cockroaches may share food advice
June 6, 2010
Courtesy of Queen Mary, University of London
and World Science staff

Ev­er won­dered how cock­roaches seem to know the 
best place to grab a meal? A new Brit­ish study 
sug­gests that, much like hu­mans, they share 
their lo­cal knowl­edge of the best food sources 
and fol­low ‘recommendations’ from others.

It’s of­ten strik­ing how lit­tle we know about 
our clos­est neigh­bour. Un­til now, it was 
as­sumed that cock­roaches for­age on their own to 
find food and wa­ter. But the new study found that 
groups of the in­sects seem to make a col­lec­tive 
choice about the best food source, ex­plain­ing 
why we so com­monly find them feed­ing en masse in 
the kitchen late at night.

“Cock­roaches cost the U.K. econ­o­my millions of 
pounds in wast­ed food and per­ish­a­ble 
prod­ucts. Bet­ter un­der­stand­ing of how they 
seek out our food would al­low us to de­vel­op 
bet­ter pest con­trol meas­ures, which are 
fre­quently in­ef­fec­tive and in­volve the use of 
in­sec­ti­cides that can have health 
side-ef­fects,” said the stu­dy’s au­thor, 
Ma­thieu Li­ho­reau of Queen Mary, Uni­vers­ity of 
London.

The study was pub­lished in the May 18 online 
issue of the research jour­nal Be­havi­our­al 
Ecol­o­gy and So­ci­o­bi­ology.

Mathieu and colleagues released hun­gry 
cock­roaches of the spe­cies Blattella germanica 
in­to an are­na where they could choose be­tween 
one of two piles of food. Li­horeau not­ed that, 
rath­er than choos­ing one ran­domly and 
split­ting in­to two groups as would be ex­pected 
if they were act­ing in­de­pend­ent­ly, the 
ma­jor­ity of the cock­roaches fed solely on one 
piece of food un­til it was all gone. By 
fol­lowing in­di­vid­ual in­sects, it al­so 
emerged that the more of cock­roaches there were 
on one piece of food, the long­er each one would 
stay to feed. Through a snow­ball ef­fect, most of 
the cock­roaches ac­cu­mu­late on one source.

“These observations cou­pled with sim­ula­t­ions 
of a mathematical mod­el in­di­cate that 
cock­roaches com­municate through close con­tact 
when they are al­ready on the food source. This is 
in con­trast with the hon­ey­bees’ wag­gle dance 
or ants’ chemical trails, which are sophisticated 
messages that guide followers over a long 
distance,” Lihoreau said.

“Although we think [cockroaches] signal to other 
cock­roaches us­ing a ‘foraging pheromone,’” or 
chemical signal, “we haven’t yet identified it,” 
he added. Once identified, a man-made ver­sion 
could be used to im­prove pest control, mak­ing 
in­secticide gels more effective or be used to 
create an insecticide-free trap, he not­ed.

Scientists should “pay more at­ten­tion to 
cock­roaches and oth­er simple ‘societies’ as they 
pro­vide re­search­ers with a good mod­els for 
co-opera­t­ion and emergent properties of so­cial 
life, that we could extrapolate to more 
soph­is­t­icated so­ci­eties, like ours,” said 
Li­ho­reau.

 


  

[FairfieldLife] Israeli airline security check dehumanising

[Jason]

News » Cities » Bangalore 

‘Israeli airline security check dehumanising'
Staff Reporter 

Frequent fliers may have become accustomed to 
intense security checks at airports. Baggage 
screening has extended to footwear, banned 
products now include toothpaste, and it may not be 
long before controversial full-body scans are 
routine. 

A letter to the Ministry of External Affairs, 
however, suggests that invasive security measures 
used by some airlines can push even the most 
seasoned travellers beyond endurance. 

Scientist S. Chinniah, in the letter dated August 
18, alleges that she was subjected to a 
four-and-half hour “dehumanising” security check 
by the Israeli airline El Al at the Mumbai 
airport.

Ms. Chinniah, who lives with her husband and two 
daughters in Bangalore, travelled on a vacation on 
June 24 to Tel Aviv to see her friends from 
Cornell University, where she studied. At the 
Mumbai airport, she said, she was subjected to a 
traumatic interrogation, for no apparent reason, 
and without explanation. 

Having arrived several hours early, she was in the 
security-check line when El Al security led her to 
a small room at the back of the airport and kept 
her there for the next four-and-half hours. 

Their aggressive questioning included queries on 
her recent travel to Malaysia and Dubai, including 
whom she visited there. 

To her mortification, she was asked to remove her 
trousers and shoes. Ms. Chinniah was concerned 
that a woman security was not present. She was 
left with three men, who refused to show her any 
identification. She said she was not allowed to 
eat, drink water or go to the toilet.

“No Indian security personnel were present during 
this process, given that it was conducted on 
Indian soil. Only Israeli security personnel (all 
of whom spoke Hebrew) were present when I was 
taken aside,” she said.

Ms. Chinniah has sent copies of her letter to El 
Al Airlines, the Israeli Embassy and the United 
States consulates in Chennai and Mumbai.
 
 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 jstein@ wrote:
snip
  Imam Feisal says he chose 'Cordoba' in recollection
  of a time when the rest of Europe had sunk into the
  Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews and Christians created an
  oasis of art, culture and science.
 
 Some months ago I watched a most inspiring program
 on Cordoba by art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon (The
 Art of Spain). Unfortunately I don't think it's easy
 to watch outside the UK.
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008wthr
 
 I say inspiring as it gave an intimation of a better
 life, an idea of what an age of enlightenment might look
 like: a comfortable marriage of religion, philosophy, science, 
 learning, sensual and aesthetic pleasure, and religious and 
 social tolerance.
 
 I don't know if it was all true, or just over-sold by Graham-
 Dixon. But I found it really impressive!

Probably a bit oversold as to the reality, but it's the
ideal that's important here.

snip
 Their grasp of mathematics overflowed spectacularly into the 
 intricate patterns that filled every inch of their most 
 splendid buildings. The motivation was religious - to avoid 
 the representation of God or living beings - and the 
 combination of ornate decoration with water-filled gardens at 
 the Alhambra palace in Granada came close to creating the 
 illusion that paradise, the garden that awaits the righteous, 
 can be made on Earth.

Tangentially, Slate.com had a fascinating article back in
December 2001 pointing out that Minoru Yamasaki had made
liberal use of Islamic religious architectural themes in
designing the World Trade Center. The implied narrow,
pointed arches on the bottom part of the facades, for
example, were very Islamic. (The Western Gothic arch was
derived from the Islamic original.) The design of the
courtyard, moreover, echoed that of the Qa'ba courtyard
at Mecca.

Plus which, Yamasaki was one of the favorite architects
of the Saudi royal family.

The article concludes:

Having rejected modernism and the Saudi royal family,
it's no surprise that Bin Laden would turn against
Yamasaki's work in particular. He must have seen how
Yamasaki had clothed the World Trade Center, a monument
of Western capitalism, in the raiment of Islamic
spirituality. Such mixing of the sacred and the profane
is old hat to us--after all, Cass Gilbert's classic
Woolworth Building, dubbed the Cathedral to Commerce, is
decked out in extravagant Gothic regalia. But to someone
who wants to purify Islam from commercialism, Yamasaki's
implicit Mosque to Commerce would be anathema. To Bin
Laden, the World Trade Center was probably not only an
international landmark but also a false idol.

http://www.slate.com/id/2060207

In this light, that famous poignant photograph of the
sliver of facade left standing after the towers collapsed
is even more iconic than we realized.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

  So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?
  
Joe:
 Just for you Tex:
 
So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe?

 Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good muslim 
 on Good Morning America:
 http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

   Now obviously, these are Muslim historians 
   writing two-to-three-hundred years after 
   the events they describe...
  
authfriend:
 I did not write the last three lines above, as 
 you know. 
 
So, you don't agree that obviously, these are 
Muslim historians writing two-to-three-hundred 
years after the events they describe.

 You imported them and pretended you were
 quoting me.

Quoting the author of the site you cited.
 
 As you also know, the notion that the name 
 Cordoba is somehow incendiary is false.
 
Not incendiary to you. But it is a fact that
the Cordoba Mosque in Sapin used to be a
Christian church, but was converted to a mosque
during the Islamic conquest of Spain and was
captured in 711 by a Muslim army. 

You failed to point this out.

 Imam Feisal says he chose 'Cordoba' in 
 recollection of a time when the rest of Europe 
 had sunk into the Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews 
 and Christians created an oasis of art, 
 culture and science.
 
 http://www.economist.com/node/16743239
 
 If any of you had legitimate complaints against 
 building the center, you wouldn't have to keep 
 lying about it.

Most New Yorkers are objecting to the center but
I have no opinion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
 
   So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?

Because they've been misled and misinformed by the
right-wing bigots such as yourself.

That's a statewide poll, BTW. A majority of Manhattan
residents are in favor of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
 
Now obviously, these are Muslim historians 
writing two-to-three-hundred years after 
the events they describe...
   
 authfriend:
  I did not write the last three lines above, as 
  you know. 
  
 So, you don't agree that obviously, these are 
 Muslim historians writing two-to-three-hundred 
 years after the events they describe.

I did not express an opinion either way, as you
know.

  You imported them and pretended you were
  quoting me.
 
 Quoting the author of the site you cited.

You imported those lines and pretended you were
quoting me.

  As you also know, the notion that the name 
  Cordoba is somehow incendiary is false.
  
 Not incendiary to you.

Not incendiary to anyone who's aware of the history,
as you know.

 But it is a fact that
 the Cordoba Mosque in Sapin used to be a
 Christian church, but was converted to a mosque
 during the Islamic conquest of Spain and was
 captured in 711 by a Muslim army. 
 
 You failed to point this out.

The link I provided points out all the relevant
information, including the above, as you know.

  Imam Feisal says he chose 'Cordoba' in 
  recollection of a time when the rest of Europe 
  had sunk into the Dark Ages but Muslims, Jews 
  and Christians created an oasis of art, 
  culture and science.
  
  http://www.economist.com/node/16743239
  
  If any of you had legitimate complaints against 
  building the center, you wouldn't have to keep 
  lying about it.
 
 Most New Yorkers are objecting to the center

As I noted in another post, most *Manhattanites*
are in favor of it. They're a lot harder for the
bigots such as yourself to mislead.

 but
 I have no opinion.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if
you didn't.

Have you ever had anybody spit at you?

Please consider yourself virtually spat upon.

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[Mike Dixon]

Mike Dixon (mdixon.6...@yahoo.com) has sent you a news article. 
(Email address has not been verified.)

Personal message:

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[FairfieldLife] The microbes strike back

[Jason]

Opinion - Op-Ed

The microbes strike back 

N. Gopal Raj 

Without new antibiotics, the outlook looks grim.  
 
DANGEROUS COME BACK: Bacteria are fighting back. 
Are we at the end of the penicillin story? 

There was a happy period in the last century when 
it appeared that humanity was at long last gaining 
the upper hand in its age-old struggle against 
disease-causing microbes. So much so that a U.S. 
Surgeon General is often credited with saying in 
the 1960s, “The time has come to close the book on 
infectious diseases.”

But bacteria have fought back, finding ways to 
become resistant to various antibiotics. The sense 
of triumph has increasingly been replaced by alarm 
over whether the bad old days of untreatable 
infections might be around the corner.

The problem of antibiotic resistance has been 
there from the start. Shortly after penicillin was 
discovered and even before it had entered clinical 
use, bacteria resistant to it were found.

In his Nobel Lecture in December 1945, Alexander 
Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin, was 
remarkably prescient. “It is not difficult to make 
microbes resistant to penicillin in the laboratory 
by exposing them to concentrations not sufficient 
to kill them, and the same thing has occasionally 
happened in the body.

“The time may come when penicillin can be bought 
by anyone in the shops. Then there is the danger 
that the ignorant man may easily underdose himself 
and by exposing his microbes to non-lethal 
quantities of the drug make them resistant.”

Use of an antibiotic creates an evolutionary 
pressure that leads to resistant forms 
proliferating. Under-dosage can hasten the 
process. But for several decades as resistant 
bacteria became more prevalent, they were held in 
check with newer antibiotics.

In India, as elsewhere in the world, these 
antibiotics have had a huge impact on infectious 
diseases, remarked Lt. Gen. D. Raghunath 
(retired), who was Director General of the Armed 
Forces Medical Services and now heads the Sir 
Dorabji Tata Centre for Research in Tropical 
Diseases in Bangalore.

Prior to the antibiotic era, “you just couldn't 
get rid of these organisms at all and hospital 
wards used to be filled with people with chronic 
infections” of various kinds, he said. Pneumonia 
was often deadly even to those in the prime of 
life. It was not uncommon for a cut or prick to 
lead to sepsis that killed a person in a matter of 
days. Surgery has become safer as a result of the 
ability to control any subsequent infection.

The steady discovery of novel antibiotics from 
1940 to 1980 has not been sustained, he observed 
in a paper in the Journal of Biosciences. The 
1990s saw only one new class of antibiotics being 
approved while all other introductions were 
variants of existing classes.

With few new antibiotics under development, the 
problem of resistance has become all the more 
acute.

But the battle between microbes that produce 
antibiotics and those that resist them has been 
going on long before humans arrived. Penicillin 
was isolated from a mould that Fleming found which 
killed bacteria. The biological pathways that 
produce antibiotics have evolved over millions of 
years. In a similar fashion, other bacteria have 
found ways to avoid being wiped out by such 
toxins.

Bacteria can take in genetic material from one 
another as well as from viruses that infect them. 
Through such genetic transfers, they are able to 
draw on the existing repertoire of resistance 
mechanisms. This is an important route by which 
germs become less susceptible to the antibiotics 
that humans throw at them.

In addition, mutations, which occur randomly, can 
also produce genes that aid resistance. Research 
recently published shows that sub-lethal doses of 
antibiotics can enhance the mutation rate.

Thus, genes for antibiotic resistance already 
exist or can be readily generated. When widespread 
use (or misuse) of antibiotics takes place, 
bacteria with such genes gain an edge over 
susceptible strains and become more prevalent.

Even when synthetic antimicrobials were 
introduced, which would not have been encountered 
naturally, bacteria were able to evolve resistance 
to them in course of time.

Over the years, a number of disease-causing 
bacteria have become resistant to several 
antibiotics. There is a growing global problem too 
of “superbugs” – germs that are resistant to so 
many drugs that treating such infections becomes 
difficult.

MRSA
One such “bug” is known as methicillin-resistant 
Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). A bacterium often 
found on the skin and inside the nose, the 
drug-resistant form of it can produce dangerous 
infections of the skin, soft tissue, bones, the 
bloodstream, heart valves and lungs.

Methicillin resistance was first reported in 
England in 1961 and appeared in the U.S. a few 
years later. Various strains of MRSA are now found 
across the world.

“The evolution of MRSA exemplifies the genetic 
adaptation of 

[FairfieldLife] Nosty and LHC?

[cardemaister]

Nostradamus and Large Hadron Collider:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uctj7JAwghANR=1feature=fvwp

The original French quatrain:

Migres migre de Genesve trestous
Saturne d'or en fer se changers
Le contre RAYPOZ exterminera tous,
Avant l'a ruent de ciel signes fera.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:
 
 Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. It's
 what you do.

Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a whole.
It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived by the lies--
who are for it.


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
 
  
  
So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?

  Joe:
   Just for you Tex:
   
  So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe?
  
   Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good muslim 
   on Good Morning America:
   http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: physicist Lawrence Krauss on Chopra and TM -- Humility amongst Knowingness

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@ wrote:
  
   Very well put.I did not mean to put Krauss down, no doubt 
   he is a lot smarter than I am,I meant that we are ALL 
   clueless because IMHO existence ultimately isinnately 
   unfathomable.Its just that some people are clearer about 
   their being clueless than others are :)
  
  This was a great post! Becoming clearer about my own 
  cluelessness has been my spiritual path for the last 
  few decades.
 
 An admirable path. I follow it, too.


I was just looking at th sky, yesterday, seeing a jet surging upward soon after 
takeoff, and I thought I would have little to no clue as to how to build one 
of those. Many similar cascading thoughts on cars, global internet, modern 
medical equipment, robots, etc. And looking up at the stars -- I have little to 
no clue as to whats out there and how it works. I know nothing or at least 
such a small drop in the larger bucket that it's knock you flat on the ground 
sobering.

Yet given my vast, real ignorance -- this is not false modesty --  I find 
myself taking strong positions, flaring opinions, and all. Kind of a 
contradiction I thought.  Not to say that I am leaning towards apathy and 
absolute relativism -- that is not Its all good, one opinion is exactly as 
good as another. Clearly some opinions and views are better informed and 
reasoned than others. And strong opinions, and pursuit of progress according to 
how one thinks the world works is how knowledge expands - in the great global 
lab of life. 
 
My new aim is to maintain among such strong, informed, well reasoned opinions 
(so I humor and flatter myself), to maintain a bit of, if not vast, humbleness 
amid such mental solar flairs and general feeling of the radiant heat of 
(apparent) knowingness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

  Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. 
  
Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the
article from the New York Times that I posted. You
are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call 
people liars.

authfriend:
 Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a 
 whole. It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived 
 by the lies--who are for it.
 
From what I've read, over 68 percent of the American 
people think it's wrong for Daisey Khan and her 
husband to build a mosque so close to the World Trade 
Center site. 

Demonizing that 68 percent of the American people as 
'Islamophobic' or 'extremists' or saying that they 
'hate' muslims while insisting on building a mosque at 
that site only irritates the situation. 

Nobody is talking about denying Khan and her husband 
the right to worship their God.

This issue isn't going away. It's likely to be even 
more contentious in coming days – and not because of 
the right wing 'ginning up' controversy. It's because 
the organizers of the mosque are attempting to ram it 
down the throat of a public which opposes it... 

Read more:

'Ground Zero Mosque: Where Do These People Come From?'
http://tinyurl.com/38yuoem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo! News Story - Saudi couple quot;hammer 24 nailsquot; into Sri Lankan maid - Yahoo! News

[Jason]

Post a Comment Comments 11 - 20 of 703
 
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient 
Muslims in a country to agitate for their 
so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse 
societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands 
for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the 
other components under the table. Here’s how it 
works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book 
(2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% 
of any given country they will be regarded as a 
peace-loving minority and not as a threat to 
anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles 
and films, stereotyped for their colorful 
uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other 
ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with 
major recruiting from the jails and among street 
gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence 
in proportion to their percentage of the 
population.
They will push for the introduction of halal 
(clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby 
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They 
will increase pressure on supermarket chains to 
feature it on their shelves — along with threats 
for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling 
government to allow them to rule themselves under 
Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of 
Islam is to convert the world  to establish 
Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they 
will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint 
about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any 
non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result 
in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed 
cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, 
jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and 
church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic 
terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
.
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of 
non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic 
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a 
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and 
genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — 
the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to 
be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know 
however that this isnt true is it...?

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%


--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yahoo! News Story - Saudi couple quot;hammer 24 
nailsquot; into Sri Lankan maid - Yahoo! News
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 7:04 AM

 
Mike Dixon (mdixon.6...@yahoo.com) has sent you a news article. 
(Email address has not been verified.)
--
Personal message:

Saudi couple must be fans of Peter,Paul and Mary

Saudi couple quot;hammer 24 nailsquot; into Sri Lankan maid - Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_srilanka_maid


 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

   So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?
 
authfriend:
 Because they've been misled and misinformed 
 
The entire 68% of Americans have been misled
and misinformed - I don't think so. 

 by the right-wing bigots such as yourself.
 
This is just another obvious example of 
prejudice against people that live in Texas.
I did not state my opinion about the Islamic 
Center in New York City.  

Apparently you and Joe are the bigots! 

 That's a statewide poll, BTW. A majority of 
 Manhattan residents are in favor of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

  If any of you had legitimate complaints against 
  building the center, you wouldn't have to keep 
  lying about it.
 
Joe:
 Indeed. Willy has had no coherent comebacks to any 
 of the truth regarding this matter that has been 
 thrown at him. Therefore he does what he does
 he lies...
 
You can't lie about the facts, Joe.

Some 62 per cent are now against the project compared 
to 54 per cent in July. Rauf's comments drew 
condemnation from Debra Burlingame, head of 9/11 
Families for a Strong America, who said they left her 
feeling disgusted.

'This man is out there preaching politics and advancing 
anti-American propaganda,' she said...

Read more:

'Islamic cleric behind Ground Zero mosque says U.S. has 
killed more innocent civilians than Al Qaeda'
By Daniel Bates
Daily Mail, August 24, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/2vpezsg

[FairfieldLife] Re: physicist Lawrence Krauss on Chopra and TM -- Humility amongst Knowingness

[Jason]

 
Actually, before the industrial revolution people 
were a bit of jack of all trades.  Memes began to 
accumulate very fast after the industrial 
revolution and expansion of knowledge led to 
specialisation.


--- On Thu, 8/26/10, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: physicist Lawrence Krauss on Chopra and TM -- 
Humility amongst Knowingness
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:11 AM

 
I was just looking at th sky, yesterday, seeing a jet surging upward soon after 
takeoff, and I thought I would have little to no clue as to how to build one 
of those. Many similar cascading thoughts on cars, global internet, modern 
medical equipment, robots, etc. And looking up at the stars -- I have little to 
no clue as to whats out there and how it works. I know nothing or at least 
such a small drop in the larger bucket that it's knock you flat on the ground 
sobering.

Yet given my vast, real ignorance -- this is not false modesty -- I find myself 
taking strong positions, flaring opinions, and all. Kind of a contradiction I 
thought. Not to say that I am leaning towards apathy and absolute relativism 
-- that is not Its all good, one opinion is exactly as good as another. 
Clearly some opinions and views are better informed and reasoned than others. 
And strong opinions, and pursuit of progress according to how one thinks the 
world works is how knowledge expands - in the great global lab of life. 

My new aim is to maintain among such strong, informed, well reasoned opinions 
(so I humor and flatter myself), to maintain a bit of, if not vast, humbleness 
amid such mental solar flairs and general feeling of the radiant heat of 
(apparent) knowingness.


 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

  I have no opinion.
 
authfriend:
 Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about 
 it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody 
 spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually 
 spat upon.

Stop the lying, Judy, you know that I didn't post
an opinion of wheteher or not the Islamic Center 
in New York should be built two blocks from Ground
Zero.

But if the New Yorkers don't want an Islamic Center 
in downtown New York, two blocks from Ground Zero, 
who am I to say otherwise? 

You live in New Jersey! What's it to you if the 
Sufis have a church in Manhattan or not? What's it 
to you if a guy down in Texas wants to discuss a 
church in Manhattan?

Maybe you should just shut your big pie hole and
stop 'spiting' on everybody that doesn't agree 
with you!

Still, it's worth pointing out that, as offensive 
as Rauf's post-9/11 comments were, they pale in 
comparison to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's now-infamous 
post-9/11 declaration that the chickens have come 
home to roost...

Read more:

'Ground Zero mosque: A bittersweet moment in American 
religious history'
By Eric Trager
New York Daily News, August 5, 2010 
http://tinyurl.com/26fnmx6

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[tartbrain]

It seems we are not yet in the full sun of the AoE. I envision such a time 
where the impulse would be, amongst most if not all -- Wow, great idea. A 
community center focused on cross-cultural understanding and 
brother/sisterhood. And a place to show gratitude too (for which  formal 
worship is a type of that). We should build a similar place for our traditions, 
and encourage all of the wonderful and magnificent cultural traditions of the 
world to create similar places of understanding, gratitude and communications. 
We should build a ring of such centers around ground zero, twelve would be 
nice. To commemorate peace, and brother/sisterhood throughout the world.

(Oh, and also the same at other ground zeros -- Hiroshoma, Drezdin, 
concentration camps of past, and refugee camps of present, major suicide bomber 
and roadside bomb sites, bleitzkeig sites, gulags, Normandy, large battle field 
sites)  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. 
   
 Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the
 article from the New York Times that I posted. You
 are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call 
 people liars.
 
 authfriend:
  Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a 
  whole. It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived 
  by the lies--who are for it.
  
 From what I've read, over 68 percent of the American 
 people think it's wrong for Daisey Khan and her 
 husband to build a mosque so close to the World Trade 
 Center site. 
 
 Demonizing that 68 percent of the American people as 
 'Islamophobic' or 'extremists' or saying that they 
 'hate' muslims while insisting on building a mosque at 
 that site only irritates the situation.

Of course, I didn't say either. I said people had been
*misled* by the right-wing bigoted extremists.

 Nobody is talking about denying Khan and her husband 
 the right to worship their God.

Nobody is saying anybody is talking about denying them
this right.

Try *for once* making an argument without hauling
out battalions of straw men.

 This issue isn't going away. It's likely to be even 
 more contentious in coming days – and not because of 
 the right wing 'ginning up' controversy. It's because 
 the organizers of the mosque are attempting to ram it 
 down the throat of a public which opposes it...

And the public opposes it *because of the bigoted right-
wing ginning it up,* involving huge numbers of lies and
misleading statements.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[Jason]

 
In semitic religions, killing the infidel is an 
imperative. Kidnapping his wife and keeping her as 
a concubine is also a religious imperative.

1. Islam permits taking enemy women captured in 
Jihad as war booty:

a. It is not lawful for you (to marry other) 
women after this, nor to change them for other 
wives even though their beauty attracts you, 
except those (captives or slaves) whom your right 
hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over 
all things. Surah 33:52 

Tafsir (explanation) of this ayat (verse) taken 
from Mawdudi’s The Meaning of the Qur’an:
Book 10, page 137, footnote no. 94:

This verse explains why one is permitted to have 
conjugal relations with one’s slave-girls besides 
the wedded wives, and there is no restriction on 
their number. The same thing has also been stated 
in Surah An-Nisa:3; Al-Mu’minun:6; and 
Al-Ma’arij:30. In all these verses the slave-girls 
have been mentioned as a separate class from the 
wedded wives, and conjugal relations with them 
have been permitted. Moreover, verse 3 of Surah 
An-Nisa lays down the number of the wives as four, 
but neither has Allah fixed the number of the 
slave-girls in that verse nor made any allusion to 
their number in the other relevant verses. Here, 
of course, the Holy Prophet is being addressed and 
told: ‘It is no more lawful for you to take other 
women in marriage, or divorce any of the present 
wives and take another wife in her stead; 
slave-girls, however, are lawful.’ This shows no 
restriction has been imposed in respect of 
slave-girls.

Islam admits that man has the right to possess 
concubines along with his wife, or wives, to 
fulfil his sexual needs. Islam presents a number 
of women that a Muslim man cannot marry, but it 
excludes the ones under the control of one's 
right hand from this list: Forbidden to you [in 
marriage] are your mothers and [own] daughters, 
your sisters, your aunts paternal and maternal, 
your brother's daughters, your sister's ... and 
[already] wedded women, save what your right hands 
own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, 
beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your 
wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives 
as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages 
apportionate; it is no fault in you in your 
agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God 
is All-knowing, All-wise (Sura al-Nisa´ 4:23,24).

We read in the commentary of al-Tabari that the 
ones under your [right hand's] control refer to 
the women captives that have been separated from 
their husbands through their captivity, thus 
becoming lawful for anyone under the control of 
whose right hand she may fall without any divorce 
from her first husband.(1) Abu Qulaba narrated, 
regarding the verse Nor [should you marry] any 
[already] married women, except the ones under 
your [right hand's] control. Every married woman 
is unlawful for you except any concubine you 
possessed while she was already married to a 
husband on the battlefield; she is lawful for you 
as long as you give her time to be cleansed.

(2) He also said, when asked about the meaning of 
the verse that allows a man to have intercourse 
with a woman captive even though she is 
married,(3) that this interpretation is based, no 
doubt, on the traditions of Muhammad regarding 
captive women. Abu Sa`id al-Khudri narrated: On 
the day of Hunain, the Messenger of God sent a 
detachment to Awtas. They arrayed for the battle, 
fought them, conquered them and took some women 
captives from them. Yet, some of the friends of 
the Messenger of God were hesitant [to have sex 
with them] on account of their unbelieving 
husbands. Then God revealed: 'Nor [should you 
marry] any [already] married women.'  

Since the relationship between a man and 
concubines has nothing to do with the issue of 
marriage, and they theoretically don't have the 
rights and competence that free women enjoy, we 
don't find a separate chapter on them in the 
sources of jurisprudence. This can be explained by 
the fact that they aren't regarded as persons, but 
as possessions belonging to their owner, as was 
the case in the Old Testament.

(7) Therefore, they cannot marry their owners 
legally. Yet, a slave-owner has the right to marry 
his female slave off without her permission-- he 
then acts as her owner, not her guardian. As for 
the children of that slave, they are slaves like 
their mother, whether their father is a freeman or 
a slave, since they belong to their mother's 
owner. 

It is true that the Sharia allows a Muslim to 
enjoy [sexual relations with] all his slave women, 
provided that they be Muslims [or of the people of 
the Book] and unmarried, yet it emphasises the 
great difference between this kind of marriage and 
regular legal marriage. As long as the man remains 
the owner of the slave woman, they argue, this 
same right of ownership prevents him from marrying 
her. If he wants to marry her, he has to pay her a 
marriage dowry (sadaq). As to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
 
   I have no opinion.
  
 authfriend:
  Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about 
  it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody 
  spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually 
  spat upon.
 
 Stop the lying, Judy, you know that I didn't post
 an opinion of wheteher or not the Islamic Center 
 in New York should be built two blocks from Ground
 Zero.

Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about 
t if you didn't.
 
 But if the New Yorkers don't want an Islamic Center 
 in downtown New York, two blocks from Ground Zero, 
 who am I to say otherwise?

Presumably you're a citizen of the United States and
can express your opinion on anything you want.

And BTW, Manhattanites--the center is to be built
in downtown Manhattan--are in favor of it being
two blocks from ground zero.

 You live in New Jersey! What's it to you if the 
 Sufis have a church in Manhattan or not?

What was it to the folks from all over the country
who joined the marches in Selma if blacks were being
discriminated against there?

First they came for the Jews...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[Joe]

Manhattan residents are what I was speaking of Judybut I see where New 
Yorkers is too broad a phrase (even though it's the one most often used to 
describe Manhattanites.)

I suspect that's what Tex had in mind as well, but he'll surely grab on to the 
life raft offered.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
  Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. It's
  what you do.
 
 Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a whole.
 It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived by the lies--
 who are for it.
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
  
   
   
 So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?
 
   Joe:
Just for you Tex:

   So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe?
   
Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good muslim 
on Good Morning America:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[Joe]

Still smarting from the waxing Judy gave you, eh Tex?

Relax and try to calm down fella.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. 
   
 Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the
 article from the New York Times that I posted. You
 are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call 
 people liars.
 
 authfriend:
  Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a 
  whole. It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived 
  by the lies--who are for it.
  
 From what I've read, over 68 percent of the American 
 people think it's wrong for Daisey Khan and her 
 husband to build a mosque so close to the World Trade 
 Center site. 
 
 Demonizing that 68 percent of the American people as 
 'Islamophobic' or 'extremists' or saying that they 
 'hate' muslims while insisting on building a mosque at 
 that site only irritates the situation. 
 
 Nobody is talking about denying Khan and her husband 
 the right to worship their God.
 
 This issue isn't going away. It's likely to be even 
 more contentious in coming days – and not because of 
 the right wing 'ginning up' controversy. It's because 
 the organizers of the mosque are attempting to ram it 
 down the throat of a public which opposes it... 
 
 Read more:
 
 'Ground Zero Mosque: Where Do These People Come From?'
 http://tinyurl.com/38yuoem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Manhattan residents are what I was speaking of Judybut
 I see where New Yorkers is too broad a phrase (even
 though it's the one most often used to describe
 Manhattanites.)

Not really, Joe. Everyone who lives in any of the five
boroughs considers themselves a New Yorker. It's really
only non-New Yorkers who would use the term to refer
only to Manhattanites.

 I suspect that's what Tex had in mind as well, but he'll
 surely grab on to the life raft offered.

He was hoping everyone would assume New Yorkers meant
Manhattanites. He knew it didn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[Joe]

Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. It's what you do.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   So, why are most New Yorkers opposed?
   
 Joe:
  Just for you Tex:
  
 So, why are most New Yorkers opposed, Joe?
 
  Glenn Beck calling Imam Rauf a good muslim 
  on Good Morning America:
  http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 As someone who knows him said recently, Bevan in disposition 
 for instance is scared to death that he might have a spiritual 
 experience from somewhere else. Hence his strong faith in the 
 straight and narrow doctrine.

I find this very insightful, and *exactly* the way I
perceived Bevan, long before he rose to the position
he has held in recent years. He treats off the program
activities with TERROR, as if he'll get slimed by 
contact with something Maharishi didn't approve, and 
thus be cast out of heaven on earth-land. 

Interestingly, his behavior seems to have been Do unto
others the thing I fear most happening to me.

 The re-affirmed guidelines are ready for printing as of the 
 last few days.

Are you saying that there actually will *be* printed
guidelines? I find this difficult to believe, because
it's like a perfect setup for any number of lawsuits.
I sat through many meetings in earlier movement days
when the decision was to *never* write down what
constituted off the program offenses, for this
very reason. 

The way the law works, you can write down any kind of
guidelines you want (as long as they don't violate 
larger sets of laws, such as state or federal), but
once you *do* write them down, you have to be completely
consistent in following them. Treat someone differently
(like punishing one person more than another for the
same offense or letting one person slide because of
their position in the movement), and you're in deep
shit, legally.

So Buck...if someone really *does* publish a set of
guidelines for dome badge acceptance, please post it
here. I'd be really interested in seeing what they 
feel they have to cling to to keep the bad off the
program cooties away.

A published set of guidelines would be great fodder 
for a Wikileaks-like expose of how many times the
head honchos have violated these same guidelines and
gotten away with it, while smaller fish have been
punished or excommunicated and cast out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote:

  
 In semitic religions, killing the infidel is an 
 imperative. Kidnapping his wife and keeping her as 
 a concubine is also a religious imperative.
 
 1. Islam permits taking enemy women captured in 
 Jihad as war booty:


With all due respect, this appears grossly misguided. First do all muslims 
believe the same thing? Do they all abide by the same ancient and probably 
mistranslated, certainly time and culture specific directives? Are all jews 
barbaric murderers just because their bible mandates or permits that -- or is 
exemplified by their ancient leaders? Are all christians murderous crusaders or 
hateful inquisitors because some of their middle aged brethern thought this was 
santified by the new testement? Are all hindus as bizzare as the Laws ofManu 
would dictate? Are all americans racist, slaveholding, genocidic barbarians 
just because many founding fathers and earlier settlers were?



 
 a. It is not lawful for you (to marry other) 
 women after this, nor to change them for other 
 wives even though their beauty attracts you, 
 except those (captives or slaves) whom your right 
 hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over 
 all things. Surah 33:52 
 
 Tafsir (explanation) of this ayat (verse) taken 
 from Mawdudi’s The Meaning of the Qur’an:
 Book 10, page 137, footnote no. 94:
 
 This verse explains why one is permitted to have 
 conjugal relations with one’s slave-girls besides 
 the wedded wives, and there is no restriction on 
 their number. The same thing has also been stated 
 in Surah An-Nisa:3; Al-Mu’minun:6; and 
 Al-Ma’arij:30. In all these verses the slave-girls 
 have been mentioned as a separate class from the 
 wedded wives, and conjugal relations with them 
 have been permitted. Moreover, verse 3 of Surah 
 An-Nisa lays down the number of the wives as four, 
 but neither has Allah fixed the number of the 
 slave-girls in that verse nor made any allusion to 
 their number in the other relevant verses. Here, 
 of course, the Holy Prophet is being addressed and 
 told: ‘It is no more lawful for you to take other 
 women in marriage, or divorce any of the present 
 wives and take another wife in her stead; 
 slave-girls, however, are lawful.’ This shows no 
 restriction has been imposed in respect of 
 slave-girls.
 
 Islam admits that man has the right to possess 
 concubines along with his wife, or wives, to 
 fulfil his sexual needs. Islam presents a number 
 of women that a Muslim man cannot marry, but it 
 excludes the ones under the control of one's 
 right hand from this list: Forbidden to you [in 
 marriage] are your mothers and [own] daughters, 
 your sisters, your aunts paternal and maternal, 
 your brother's daughters, your sister's ... and 
 [already] wedded women, save what your right hands 
 own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, 
 beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your 
 wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives 
 as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages 
 apportionate; it is no fault in you in your 
 agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God 
 is All-knowing, All-wise (Sura al-Nisa´ 4:23,24).
 
 We read in the commentary of al-Tabari that the 
 ones under your [right hand's] control refer to 
 the women captives that have been separated from 
 their husbands through their captivity, thus 
 becoming lawful for anyone under the control of 
 whose right hand she may fall without any divorce 
 from her first husband.(1) Abu Qulaba narrated, 
 regarding the verse Nor [should you marry] any 
 [already] married women, except the ones under 
 your [right hand's] control. Every married woman 
 is unlawful for you except any concubine you 
 possessed while she was already married to a 
 husband on the battlefield; she is lawful for you 
 as long as you give her time to be cleansed.
 
 (2) He also said, when asked about the meaning of 
 the verse that allows a man to have intercourse 
 with a woman captive even though she is 
 married,(3) that this interpretation is based, no 
 doubt, on the traditions of Muhammad regarding 
 captive women. Abu Sa`id al-Khudri narrated: On 
 the day of Hunain, the Messenger of God sent a 
 detachment to Awtas. They arrayed for the battle, 
 fought them, conquered them and took some women 
 captives from them. Yet, some of the friends of 
 the Messenger of God were hesitant [to have sex 
 with them] on account of their unbelieving 
 husbands. Then God revealed: 'Nor [should you 
 marry] any [already] married women.'  
 
 Since the relationship between a man and 
 concubines has nothing to do with the issue of 
 marriage, and they theoretically don't have the 
 rights and competence that free women enjoy, we 
 don't find a separate chapter on them in the 
 sources of jurisprudence. This can be explained by 
 the fact that they aren't regarded as persons, but 
 as possessions belonging to their owner, as was 
 the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Israeli airline security check dehumanising

[sgrayatlarge]

Is this the only passenger that has been subjected to this kind of treatment or 
have there been others? We wouldn't know because the The Hindu article didn't 
say. So is this an isolated incident? Perhaps some investigative journalism 
would help here.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_sp...@... wrote:

 News » Cities » Bangalore 
 
 ‘Israeli airline security check dehumanising'
 Staff Reporter 
 
 Frequent fliers may have become accustomed to 
 intense security checks at airports. Baggage 
 screening has extended to footwear, banned 
 products now include toothpaste, and it may not be 
 long before controversial full-body scans are 
 routine. 
 
 A letter to the Ministry of External Affairs, 
 however, suggests that invasive security measures 
 used by some airlines can push even the most 
 seasoned travellers beyond endurance. 
 
 Scientist S. Chinniah, in the letter dated August 
 18, alleges that she was subjected to a 
 four-and-half hour “dehumanising” security check 
 by the Israeli airline El Al at the Mumbai 
 airport.
 
 Ms. Chinniah, who lives with her husband and two 
 daughters in Bangalore, travelled on a vacation on 
 June 24 to Tel Aviv to see her friends from 
 Cornell University, where she studied. At the 
 Mumbai airport, she said, she was subjected to a 
 traumatic interrogation, for no apparent reason, 
 and without explanation. 
 
 Having arrived several hours early, she was in the 
 security-check line when El Al security led her to 
 a small room at the back of the airport and kept 
 her there for the next four-and-half hours. 
 
 Their aggressive questioning included queries on 
 her recent travel to Malaysia and Dubai, including 
 whom she visited there. 
 
 To her mortification, she was asked to remove her 
 trousers and shoes. Ms. Chinniah was concerned 
 that a woman security was not present. She was 
 left with three men, who refused to show her any 
 identification. She said she was not allowed to 
 eat, drink water or go to the toilet.
 
 “No Indian security personnel were present during 
 this process, given that it was conducted on 
 Indian soil. Only Israeli security personnel (all 
 of whom spoke Hebrew) were present when I was 
 taken aside,” she said.
 
 Ms. Chinniah has sent copies of her letter to El 
 Al Airlines, the Israeli Embassy and the United 
 States consulates in Chennai and Mumbai.
  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Israeli airline security check dehumanising

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote:

 Is this the only passenger that has been subjected to this 
 kind of treatment or have there been others? We wouldn't 
 know because the The Hindu article didn't say. So is this 
 an isolated incident? Perhaps some investigative journalism 
 would help here.

Sounds like somebody's Zionist button got pushed. :-)

El Al is widely known in Europe as the worst airline
to fly in terms of treating its passengers badly. Many
travel agencies will actually advise you not to fly on
El Al if you have a skin color any darker than an Irish
summer tan, because the extra time you'll spend in sec-
urity checks can make you miss your flights. Passengers 
flying El Al out of one airport in Spain were strip-
searched often enough (and without finding even a single 
instance that justified the strip searches) that the 
airport considered banning the airline entirely. The
company I work for no longer books flights on El Al 
for its employees.

If it was a Saudi airline employee sticking a flashlight
up your ass, you wouldn't be making noises about how
one incident doesn't necessarily make the whole airline 
bad. But when it's El Al, you want more investigative 
journalism.

The results of such investigations are long since in.
Israelis in security positions often seem to go out of 
their way to be hated. And then people like you imply 
that they're drawing fire only because they're Jews. 
It's not because they're Jews. It's because they're 
assholes.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote:
 
  News » Cities » Bangalore 
  
  ‘Israeli airline security check dehumanising'
  Staff Reporter 
  
  Frequent fliers may have become accustomed to 
  intense security checks at airports. Baggage 
  screening has extended to footwear, banned 
  products now include toothpaste, and it may not be 
  long before controversial full-body scans are 
  routine. 
  
  A letter to the Ministry of External Affairs, 
  however, suggests that invasive security measures 
  used by some airlines can push even the most 
  seasoned travellers beyond endurance. 
  
  Scientist S. Chinniah, in the letter dated August 
  18, alleges that she was subjected to a 
  four-and-half hour “dehumanising” security check 
  by the Israeli airline El Al at the Mumbai 
  airport.
  
  Ms. Chinniah, who lives with her husband and two 
  daughters in Bangalore, travelled on a vacation on 
  June 24 to Tel Aviv to see her friends from 
  Cornell University, where she studied. At the 
  Mumbai airport, she said, she was subjected to a 
  traumatic interrogation, for no apparent reason, 
  and without explanation. 
  
  Having arrived several hours early, she was in the 
  security-check line when El Al security led her to 
  a small room at the back of the airport and kept 
  her there for the next four-and-half hours. 
  
  Their aggressive questioning included queries on 
  her recent travel to Malaysia and Dubai, including 
  whom she visited there. 
  
  To her mortification, she was asked to remove her 
  trousers and shoes. Ms. Chinniah was concerned 
  that a woman security was not present. She was 
  left with three men, who refused to show her any 
  identification. She said she was not allowed to 
  eat, drink water or go to the toilet.
  
  “No Indian security personnel were present during 
  this process, given that it was conducted on 
  Indian soil. Only Israeli security personnel (all 
  of whom spoke Hebrew) were present when I was 
  taken aside,” she said.
  
  Ms. Chinniah has sent copies of her letter to El 
  Al Airlines, the Israeli Embassy and the United 
  States consulates in Chennai and Mumbai.
   
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[Joe]

I'm sure that's true and it's why most of the country commonly uses New York 
to refer to Manhatten. They say New York State or name a borough (I use a 
studio in Brooklyn) to get more literal about other-than-Manhatten places.

Sloppy language use, but certainly quite common.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  Manhattan residents are what I was speaking of Judybut
  I see where New Yorkers is too broad a phrase (even
  though it's the one most often used to describe
  Manhattanites.)
 
 Not really, Joe. Everyone who lives in any of the five
 boroughs considers themselves a New Yorker. It's really
 only non-New Yorkers who would use the term to refer
 only to Manhattanites.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Mike Dixon]

Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center 
and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How do those 
that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a convent 
next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are they as 
outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Peter L Sutphen]

Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem in 
this country because of the radical element of Islam. Moderates Muslims need to 
speak up more. If they build there you can almost guarantee that it will be 
damaged on a regular basis.

Peter


On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community 
 center and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How 
 do those that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build 
 a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are 
 they as outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
 a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
 an Islamic community?

It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
prayer space.)

There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
required to pray five times a day.)

   How do those 
 that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
 to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
 of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
 around the world at the insensitivity of it?

That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
finally ordered to leave.

The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Jason]

 
All semitic religions are inherently 
fundamentalistic in the core of their teachings.  
It's because they evolved in pre-industrial 
first-wave civilisation.  Their archaic 
anachronistic worldview don't fit in a modern 
global civilisation.  It leads to the clash of 
memes.

--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 11:10 AM
 
 
Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem in 
this country because of the radical element of Islam. Moderates Muslims need to 
speak up more. If they build there you can almost guarantee that it will be 
damaged on a regular basis.

Peter 



On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:







Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center 
and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How do those 
that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a convent 
next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are they as 
outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?

 
 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Mike Dixon]

Exactly, creating more and more resentment on each side. It's just not a wise 
move and will not create more tolerance and understanding. I'm afraid Muslims 
are becoming too *Americanized* by demanding their *rights* at the expense of 
sensitivity, only to be hurting themselves more in the long run.




From: Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

  
Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge P. R. problem in 
this 
country because of the radical element of Islam. Moderates Muslims need to 
speak 
up more. If they build there you can almost guarantee that it will be damaged 
on 
a regular basis.

Peter 


On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:


Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community center 
and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How do those 
that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a convent 
next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are they as 
outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Mike Dixon]

My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic community, at least 
of 
significant number, certainly not worthy of one hundred million dollars that 
could hold up to a thousand worshipers. Yes, I'm aware there are other mosques 
in the general area that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba project is 
to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?




From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
 a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
 an Islamic community?

It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
prayer space.)

There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
required to pray five times a day.)

   How do those 
 that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
 to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
 of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
 around the world at the insensitivity of it?

That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
finally ordered to leave.

The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic
 community, at least of significant number

Several thousand Muslims live and/or work in the area.
Not sure how you're defining community. Have you
ever been to New York? The residences in this
neighborhood (and in most of Manhattan) are apartment
buildings, not separate homes. The Muslims don't live
in an *enclave* all together.

Around 56,000 people live in the area full time; the
population rises to 300,000 during the day.

 certainly not worthy of one hundred million dollars that 
 could hold up to a thousand worshipers.

Again, it isn't a *mosque*. It's a community center, for
the *entire* community in that area, not just Muslims.
Good community centers cost that much to build and outfit.

 Yes, I'm aware there are other mosques 
 in the general area

One is four blocks from Ground Zero (two blocks from the
community center site), the other is 12 blocks.

 that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba project is 
 to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?

No, Mike, it's a *community center*, featuring facilities
for the use of the entire community. It will have a *prayer
space*--not a mosque--for Muslims to accommodate overflow
at prayer times.

Also in the center will be a swimming pool, an auditorium,
a culinary school, and all kinds of other amenities for the
community (which is why it isn't a mosque--a mosque can't
have any other facilities in it).



 From: authfriend jst...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
  a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
  an Islamic community?
 
 It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
 work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
 prayer space.)
 
 There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
 don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
 them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
 Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
 can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
 required to pray five times a day.)
 
    How do those 
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
  to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
  of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
  around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
 thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
 been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
 a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
 finally ordered to leave.
 
 The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
 not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
 away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
 you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 Exactly, creating more and more resentment on each side.
 It's just not a wise move and will not create more
 tolerance and understanding. I'm afraid Muslims are
 becoming too *Americanized* by demanding their *rights*
 at the expense of sensitivity, only to be hurting
 themselves more in the long run.

How presumptuous of American Muslims to behave like
other Americans!

Funny how there's so little sensitivity to the fact
that this controversy has handed Al Qaeda a huge
propaganda victory without their having to lift a
finger, innit?


 From: Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:10:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
 
 Legally, no problems. But Muslims of all stripes have huge
 P. R. problem in this country because of the radical element
 of Islam. Moderates Muslims need to speak up more. If they
 build there you can almost guarantee that it will be damaged
 on a regular basis.

Ironically, it's just as likely to be a target for
extremist Muslims. They'll be happy to work hand in
hand with our American bigots.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Joe]

Don't confuse Mike with facts Judy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
  a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
  an Islamic community?
 
 It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
 work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
 prayer space.)
 
 There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
 don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
 them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
 Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
 can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
 required to pray five times a day.)
 
    How do those 
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
  to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
  of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
  around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
 thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
 been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
 a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
 finally ordered to leave.
 
 The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
 not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
 away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
 you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Joe]

Mike, please state specifically why you believe this area of NYC doesn't have a 
Muslim community.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic community, at least 
 of 
 significant number, certainly not worthy of one hundred million dollars that 
 could hold up to a thousand worshipers. Yes, I'm aware there are other 
 mosques 
 in the general area that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba project 
 is 
 to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?
 
 
 
 
 From: authfriend jst...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
  a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
  an Islamic community?
 
 It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
 work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
 prayer space.)
 
 There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
 don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
 them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
 Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
 can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
 required to pray five times a day.)
 
    How do those 
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
  to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
  of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
  around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
 thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
 been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
 a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
 finally ordered to leave.
 
 The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
 not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
 away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
 you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

[FairfieldLife] Republicans Recycle Discredited 1993 Talking Points on Taxes

[do.rflex]

   With Democrats  proposing
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001955.htm  to set the top
two income tax rates at 36% and 39.6%  respectively, Republican leaders
waged a ferocious  battle
http://www.andrewtobias.com/bkoldcolumns/090325.html  on behalf of the
wealthiest American taxpayers.

Former House  Majority Leader and current Tea Party moneyman Dick Armey
warned, This  program will not give you deficit reduction.

Ohio's John Kasich  cautioned, It's our bet that this is a job killer.

And for his part,  2012 White House hopeful Newt Gingrich promised,
This is the Democrat  machine's recession, and each one of them will be
held personally  accountable.
As it turns out, the  year was 1993
http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2009/2/15/92441/0913/399/636
, not 2010.  At issue was President Bill  Clinton's $496 billion program
of stimulus and upper income tax  increases.  And what Republicans then
decried as disaster ushered in the  longest economic expansion in modern
American history, a period which  produced 23 million new jobs and a
balanced budget.

But that hasn't stopped the GOP brain trust from resurrecting their 
1993 predictions of gloom and doom, forecasts which were spectacularly 
wrong.

Launching his campaign for House Speaker, Minority Leader John  Boehner
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001956.htm  on Tuesday
decried President Obama's job-killing tax hikes  and called the
expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the rich a recipe  for disaster -
both for our economy and for the deficit.


His Senate  counterpart Mitch  McConnell
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/mcconnell-if-bus\
h-tax-cuts-expire-it-would-be-039disaster039  told Fox News, It would
be a disaster.  On Meet the  Press last week, Dick  Armey
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38791058/ns/meet_the_press-transcripts 
rejected the notion of returning the tax rates for the top 2%  of
earners back to their Clinton-era levels, mocking Obama's new 
cockamamy ideas and insisting the President not raise taxes and take 
away the return on an investment And as Newt   Gingrich
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-obama-depression-recession-mos\
que-islam-taxes-bush-cuts/2010/07/29/id/366064  predicted in July:
This economy will sink deeper into recession. There  will be higher
unemployment. The recovery will be longer.
If this all sounds familiar, it should.  After all, as ThinkProgress
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/10/1993-quotes/ ,  Congress 
Matters
http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2009/2/15/92441/0913/399/636 
and Andrew  Tobias
http://www.andrewtobias.com/bkoldcolumns/090325.html  all documented,
pretty much the same people said pretty much  the same thing back in
1993.

If Barack  Obama's experience
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001701.htm  with Republican
obstructionism has been painful,  Bill Clinton's was unprecedented. When
Clinton's 1993 economic program  scraped by without capturing the
support of even one GOP lawmaker, the New  York Times
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFD6133CF934A3575BC0\
A965958260sec=spon=pagewanted=all  remarked:
Historians believe that no other important legislation,  at least since
World War II, has been enacted without at least one vote  in either
house from each major party.
Inheriting massive budget deficits and unemployment topping 7% from 
Bush the Elder, Clinton's $496 billion program was nonetheless opposed 
by every single member of the GOP, as well as defectors from his own 
party.


As the Times recounted, it took a tie-breaking vote from Vice  President
Al Gore to earn victory:
An identical version of the $496 billion deficit-cutting  measure was
approved Thursday night by the House, 218 to 216. The  Senate was
divided 50 to 50 before Mr. Gore voted. Since tie votes in  the House
mean defeat, the bill would have failed if even one  representative or
one senator who voted with the President had switched  sides.
(It's worth noting that while Bill Clinton met with total opposition 
from Republicans over his economic program, neither Ronald  Reagan
before him nor George W. Bush after
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001391.htm  was similarly
subjected  to scorched-earth politics from Democrats.)

Throughout  1993
http://www.congressmatters.com/storyonly/2009/2/15/92441/0913/399/636
, President Clinton faced venomous - if completely baseless -  charges
from his Republican opponents.


Newt Gingrich announced that  February, I believe that that will in
fact kill the current recovery  and put us back in a recession, while
also warning the day before the  budget vote, This is the Democrat
machine's recession, and each one of  them will be held personally
accountable.
 
http://www.perrspectives.com/the-clinton-budget-clinton-outlines-spendi\
ng-package-of-1.

Bob  Dole
http://www.perrspectives.com/the-clinton-budget-clinton-outlines-spendi\
ng-package-of-1. , Clinton's future reelection opponent, 

[FairfieldLife] What to expect at Art of Silence?

[Tom Pall]

The Uvalde, Texas SSRS ranch relented and agreed to give me my own room so I
will not have to reveal to the world the fact that I can't fly.  So I'm
about to sign up for the Art of Silence course over the Labor Day weekend.
Could someone tell me what I might be signing up for?  I was told by my AOL
teacher that there would be a lot of guided meditation.  I can sure use
that.  When I do my TM, I keep losing my mantra, have to come back to
awareness of and start it over again.

BTW, I remember calling up Cathryn Lyons, the former grande dame of the San
Francisco Capital of the Age of Enlightenment from the payphone in the lobby
of  H. St. NW.  I explained my terror at going into a place with
hundreds of sidha men.  I had not yet started hopping.  I had my flying
block just a week before.  Cathryn assured me that I had nothing to fear,
that many others in the flying room didn't hop and none of them could fly.
Comforted, I entered the room.  Then the wailing of banshees and all sounds
of all sorts of beasts began.  What a scary time.  I was so very grateful a
year later when Maharishi told us that noise during flying was not
necessary.  It was /absolutely/ not necessary.

[FairfieldLife] Will WMD's be stored in the Mosque?

[yifuxero]

Let's look at the facts:

1. The Mosque is called Cordoba, and El Cid's Sword Tizona was supposedly 
made there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizona

So, we extract the key word SWORD.

2. Charleton Heston played El Cid in the 1961 movie, and he was the NRA 
President.  So we extract the word RIFLE

Next, we access the Saturday Evening Post, Oct, 2010, (Robert Frost Poetry 
contest first place winner, Spec by Douglas Crago:)

Could it be that it really happened
some guy
at first ignored
even laughed at
then much maligned and spat upon
made to crawl in the filth and scum of the city
kicked around
blamed for all the ills and maladies
of every loser in town
then humiliated and drug up a hill
nailed down
hung out to dry
and flat out left to die

could it be that he got up a few days later
walked out of the stone prison 
they'd made for hyis soul
and floated round the place 
looking down
circling higher and higher until just a spec in the sky
and then gone.

...
So, we extract the last phrase AND THEN GONE.

Putting all of the key words together, we get:
'SWORD ---  RIFLE AND THEN GONE

Yup, there's a message here somewhere, so go figure! 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

   Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about 
   it if you didn't. Have you ever had anybody 
   spit at you? Please consider yourself virtually 
   spat upon.
  
  Stop the lying, Judy, you know that I didn't post
  an opinion of wheteher or not the Islamic Center 
  in New York should be built two blocks from Ground
  Zero.
 
authfriend:
 Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about [i]t if 
 you didn't.
 
Bullshit. Stop the lying, Judy - I'm not pushing' 
anything and you know that very well.
 
But if you read FFL you'll see many more instances of 
open bigotry toward Texans, Mormons, Isrealis, Hindus, 
or evangelical Christians, than you will toward 
Muslims. Why is that?

As part of that recognition of American sensitivities, 
Imam Rauf should probably consider alternative locations 
for his Islamic center. Yes, it seems wrong to give in 
to the opportunistic bigots, but it may still be the 
right and healing thing to do...

http://tinyurl.com/23lafe5

...one could argue that Cordoba House risks doing more 
harm than good. Organizer Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who 
has a history of interfaith cooperation, says he intends 
to promote moderate Islam. Nevertheless, he might do 
more to encourage religious comity if he voluntarily 
took the project elsewhere.

http://tinyurl.com/286vh42

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[WillyTex]

Joe:
 Still smarting from the waxing Judy gave you, eh Tex?
 
You mean the waxing Judy gave you for not realizing that 
most New Yorkers are opposed to the Islamic Center? Or
the waxing Judy gave you for lying about what 'Tex' wrote?

Joe: 
Most New Yorkers are for it Tex. Again, you lie. 

  Most New Yorkers are against it, Joe, like in the
  article from the New York Times that I posted. You
  are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you call 
  people liars.
  
  authfriend:
   Actually, he's correct, for NYC and NY State as a 
   whole. It's Manhattanites--who haven't been deceived 
   by the lies--who are for it.
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Israeli airline security check dehumanising

[Sal Sunshine]

On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:44 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 f it was a Saudi airline employee sticking a flashlight
 up your ass,

I didn't realize the Saudis even had airlines.

 you wouldn't be making noises about how
 one incident doesn't necessarily make the whole airline 
 bad. But when it's El Al, you want more investigative 
 journalism.
 
 The results of such investigations are long since in.
 Israelis in security positions often seem to go out of 
 their way to be hated. And then people like you imply 
 that they're drawing fire only because they're Jews. 
 It's not because they're Jews. It's because they're 
 assholes.

Maybe they didn't like her perfume.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque?

[Joe]

As you know Tex, I was referring to this one,

Judy to Tex:

Bullshit. You wouldn't be pushing lies about it if

you didn't.

Have you ever had anybody spit at you?

Please consider yourself virtually spat upon.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:



 Joe:
  Still smarting from the waxing Judy gave you, eh Tex?
 

[FairfieldLife] Open Letter to the Dalai Lama

[eustace10679]

An Open Letter to the Dalai Lama
by Norm Phelps, written June 15, 2007

The Dalai Lama
Thekchen Choeling
P.O. McLeod Ganj
Dharamsala H.P. 176219
India

By mail and email to: oh...@gov.tibet.net

Dear Sir: I am writing to you with great sadness.

By way of introduction, or actually re-introduction, I am the author of The 
Great Compassion: Buddhism and Animal Rights, a copy of which I sent you soon 
after it came out in 2004, and an additional copy of which I am enclosing with 
the hard copy of this letter. I have been a practicing Tibetan Buddhist for 
more than twenty years.

You may also recall that in November 1998 you generously granted me a private 
audience in Washington, D.C. for the purpose of discussing a vegetarian diet as 
Buddhist practice. You were very gracious in providing me an opportunity to 
urge you to adopt a vegetarian diet on full-time basis. You told me that 
because of liver damage resulting from hepatitis B, your doctors had instructed 
you to eat meat, and that for some years you had compromised by eating 
vegetarian every other day. You spoke movingly of your deep compassion for 
animals and your desire that as many people as possible, including Tibetans and 
Buddhists, adopt a vegetarian diet as an expression of Buddhist compassion for 
all sentient beings.

Less than three weeks after this interview, Agence France Presse (AFP) reported 
that at a dinner at the Elysee Palace for Nobel Peace Prize laureates, you 
refused the vegetarian meal that you had been served with the comment, I'm a 
Tibetan monk, not a vegetarian, and insisted on being served the same entrée 
that the other guests were having, which was reported to be braised calf's 
cheek and vol-au-vent stuffed with shrimp. I understood that the dinner might 
have been held on a meat-eating day of your one-day-meat, one-day-veggies 
regime, but I could not understand why you would publicly go out of your way to 
dissociate yourself from a compassionate vegetarian diet when just days earlier 
you had spoken to me with such apparent conviction about the need for everyone 
who can to become vegetarian. There were no reporters present at the dinner; 
the AFP reporter heard the story from you the next day, which suggests that you 
wanted the world to know that you were not vegetarian. In other words, quite 
inexplicably, you apparently wanted to promote meat eating as consistent with 
Buddhist practice. I wrote you asking about this, but received no response.

In light of this background, I was overjoyed to read in April 2005 that you had 
announced to a wildlife conference in New Delhi that you had lately adopted a 
vegetarian diet on a full-time basis. On February 16, 2007, Rinchen Dhondrup 
wrote a thank-you letter on your official letterhead to Ms. Dulce Clements of 
La Verne, California, who had sent you a copy of a wonderful book on 
vegetarianism as spiritual practice, The World Peace Diet by Will Tuttle, Ph.D. 
In this letter, Dhondrup-la said that His Holiness the Dalai Lama's kitchen 
here in Dharamsala is now vegetarian.

Thus, as you may imagine, I was greatly dismayed to read an article from the 
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel dated May 15, 2007, reporting that you had attended 
a fund-raising luncheon on May 3, in Madison, Wisconsin for the Deer Park 
Buddhist Center and Monastery. According to the article, the food served 
included veal roast, stuffed pheasant breast, and soup made with chicken stock. 
The chef told the reporter that you chowed down on everything you were 
served, including the veal. Veal calves are separated from their mothers just 
hours after birth, confined in tiny crates too small for them to turn around 
in, fed an iron deficient diet that gives them severe, painful, chronic anemia, 
and killed while they are still small children. When you ate the veal, you lent 
your public support to some of the most egregious cruelty that our society is 
capable of.

Someone who attended a public talk that you gave in Madison around this time 
reports that you mentioned the vegetarian issue, saying that you had been 
vegetarian for two years because the big monasteries are becoming vegetarian, 
but that you had gone back to meat eating because of your health. I presume 
that the two years were spring, 2005 to spring, 2007. I would have expected 
you, as a great bodhisattva, to follow a vegetarian diet because it is the 
compassionate thing to do and was taught by the Lord Buddha Shakyamuni, not 
because it is the popular thing to do in the context of monastic politics. Even 
more recently, it has been reported in the world press that on June 13, 2007 
you visited a zoo created by the late television performer Steve Irwin in 
Beerwah, Australia. During this visit you reportedly spoke in support of a 
compassionate vegetarian diet while admitting that you eat meat occasionally 
for the sake of your health.

It is hard to understand how eating meat occasionally could benefit your 
health. It would seem 

[FairfieldLife] Ground Xero

[yifuxero]

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/hiroshima/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Open Letter to the Dalai Lama

[yifuxero]

http://davepear.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/gene_marie_antoinette.png

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eustace10679 no_re...@... wrote:

 An Open Letter to the Dalai Lama
 by Norm Phelps, written June 15, 2007
 
 The Dalai Lama
 Thekchen Choeling
 P.O. McLeod Ganj
 Dharamsala H.P. 176219
 India
 
 By mail and email to: oh...@...
 
 Dear Sir: I am writing to you with great sadness.
 
 By way of introduction, or actually re-introduction, I am the author of The 
 Great Compassion: Buddhism and Animal Rights, a copy of which I sent you soon 
 after it came out in 2004, and an additional copy of which I am enclosing 
 with the hard copy of this letter. I have been a practicing Tibetan Buddhist 
 for more than twenty years.
 
 You may also recall that in November 1998 you generously granted me a private 
 audience in Washington, D.C. for the purpose of discussing a vegetarian diet 
 as Buddhist practice. You were very gracious in providing me an opportunity 
 to urge you to adopt a vegetarian diet on full-time basis. You told me that 
 because of liver damage resulting from hepatitis B, your doctors had 
 instructed you to eat meat, and that for some years you had compromised by 
 eating vegetarian every other day. You spoke movingly of your deep compassion 
 for animals and your desire that as many people as possible, including 
 Tibetans and Buddhists, adopt a vegetarian diet as an expression of Buddhist 
 compassion for all sentient beings.
 
 Less than three weeks after this interview, Agence France Presse (AFP) 
 reported that at a dinner at the Elysee Palace for Nobel Peace Prize 
 laureates, you refused the vegetarian meal that you had been served with the 
 comment, I'm a Tibetan monk, not a vegetarian, and insisted on being served 
 the same entrée that the other guests were having, which was reported to be 
 braised calf's cheek and vol-au-vent stuffed with shrimp. I understood that 
 the dinner might have been held on a meat-eating day of your one-day-meat, 
 one-day-veggies regime, but I could not understand why you would publicly go 
 out of your way to dissociate yourself from a compassionate vegetarian diet 
 when just days earlier you had spoken to me with such apparent conviction 
 about the need for everyone who can to become vegetarian. There were no 
 reporters present at the dinner; the AFP reporter heard the story from you 
 the next day, which suggests that you wanted the world to know that you were 
 not vegetarian. In other words, quite inexplicably, you apparently wanted to 
 promote meat eating as consistent with Buddhist practice. I wrote you asking 
 about this, but received no response.
 
 In light of this background, I was overjoyed to read in April 2005 that you 
 had announced to a wildlife conference in New Delhi that you had lately 
 adopted a vegetarian diet on a full-time basis. On February 16, 2007, Rinchen 
 Dhondrup wrote a thank-you letter on your official letterhead to Ms. Dulce 
 Clements of La Verne, California, who had sent you a copy of a wonderful book 
 on vegetarianism as spiritual practice, The World Peace Diet by Will Tuttle, 
 Ph.D. In this letter, Dhondrup-la said that His Holiness the Dalai Lama's 
 kitchen here in Dharamsala is now vegetarian.
 
 Thus, as you may imagine, I was greatly dismayed to read an article from the 
 Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel dated May 15, 2007, reporting that you had 
 attended a fund-raising luncheon on May 3, in Madison, Wisconsin for the Deer 
 Park Buddhist Center and Monastery. According to the article, the food served 
 included veal roast, stuffed pheasant breast, and soup made with chicken 
 stock. The chef told the reporter that you chowed down on everything you 
 were served, including the veal. Veal calves are separated from their mothers 
 just hours after birth, confined in tiny crates too small for them to turn 
 around in, fed an iron deficient diet that gives them severe, painful, 
 chronic anemia, and killed while they are still small children. When you ate 
 the veal, you lent your public support to some of the most egregious cruelty 
 that our society is capable of.
 
 Someone who attended a public talk that you gave in Madison around this time 
 reports that you mentioned the vegetarian issue, saying that you had been 
 vegetarian for two years because the big monasteries are becoming 
 vegetarian, but that you had gone back to meat eating because of your 
 health. I presume that the two years were spring, 2005 to spring, 2007. I 
 would have expected you, as a great bodhisattva, to follow a vegetarian diet 
 because it is the compassionate thing to do and was taught by the Lord Buddha 
 Shakyamuni, not because it is the popular thing to do in the context of 
 monastic politics. Even more recently, it has been reported in the world 
 press that on June 13, 2007 you visited a zoo created by the late television 
 performer Steve Irwin in Beerwah, Australia. During this visit you reportedly 
 spoke 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[vajradhatu108]

Sounds like a great time, please keep us posted!

I'm sure there are a number of people who could share stories and I hope they 
do so here.

The nice thing about having a lineage is 'there's always more than one person 
you can hang with.'

We have the popular SSRS ashram nearby in Montreal, and we were going to check 
it out but we opted to check out Gampo Abbey in Cape Breton instead, and 
weren't disappointed (even though Pema Chodron was not in residence at the 
time).

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[emptybill]

Unless the program has changed, you'll be doing various intro techniques
and then you'll do a group, long Kriya (at least at the beginning).
Afterward, you'll get introduced to Hollow and Empty practice - a guided
but direct-experience practice involving the subtle nadi-chakras.

As far as losing the mantra, it sounds like you could use a dose of
instruction in SSRS's Sahaj Samadhi meditation. TM, as now taught and
practiced, is not the same as what I received in 19'70. This has been
observed by a number of former TM teachers who now teach Sahaj but who
keep in contact with tmers. Sahaj is more effortless than TM - even
though at first this didn't make sense (since TM is supposedly
effortless). I can't discuss just how this is so (here on this forum)
but in fact this is the way it is. Not only that ... it also makes a
difference in one's own experience of meditation.

Also, please remember that your expectations can only reduce your
enjoyment and veil your direct experience.

So, in whatever way that either you or anyone else tries to
conceptualize it ... it is other than that.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 The Uvalde, Texas SSRS ranch relented and agreed to give me my own
room so I
 will not have to reveal to the world the fact that I can't fly.  So
I'm
 about to sign up for the Art of Silence course over the Labor Day
weekend.
 Could someone tell me what I might be signing up for?  I was told by
my AOL
 teacher that there would be a lot of guided meditation.  I can sure
use
 that.  When I do my TM, I keep losing my mantra, have to come back to
 awareness of and start it over again.

 BTW, I remember calling up Cathryn Lyons, the former grande dame of
the San
 Francisco Capital of the Age of Enlightenment from the payphone in the
lobby
 of  H. St. NW.  I explained my terror at going into a place with
 hundreds of sidha men.  I had not yet started hopping.  I had my
flying
 block just a week before.  Cathryn assured me that I had nothing to
fear,
 that many others in the flying room didn't hop and none of them
could fly.
 Comforted, I entered the room.  Then the wailing of banshees and all
sounds
 of all sorts of beasts began.  What a scary time.  I was so very
grateful a
 year later when Maharishi told us that noise during flying was not
 necessary.  It was /absolutely/ not necessary.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
snip
 As far as losing the mantra, it sounds like you could use
 a dose of instruction in SSRS's Sahaj Samadhi meditation.
 TM, as now taught and practiced, is not the same as what
 I received in 19'70.

If losing the mantra is now perceived to be a problem
in TM, it's not what I was taught in 1975 (or on every
residence course, advanced lecture, and checking for the
next, oh, 20 years or so--last course I took was in 1995).

I'm hoping he was kidding about that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[Tom Pall]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:44 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:



 As far as losing the mantra, it sounds like you could use a dose of
 instruction in SSRS's Sahaj Samadhi meditation. TM, as now taught and
 practiced, is not the same as what I received in 19'70. This has been
 observed by a number of former TM teachers who now teach Sahaj but who keep
 in contact with tmers. Sahaj is more effortless than TM - even though at
 first this didn't make sense (since TM is supposedly effortless). I can't
 discuss just *how this is so (*here on this forum) but in fact this *is
 the *way it is. Not only that ... it also makes a difference in one's own
 experience of meditation.


Hold on.  I was told by an esteemed psychologist that SSRS said if you're
are satisfied with your TM, don't bother learning the Sahaj Samadhi
meditation.   Perhaps I'll need to consult with the Sahaj Samadi meditation
teacher when he/she arrives.  I'm told that there are very few of these
teachers as you need to be meditating a very long time to qualify to teach
the SSRS TM technique knock off.

Hmm.  I just came upon the course description.

The Sri Sri Ashram in Uvalde, Texas heartily welcomes you to be in the
midst of pristine nature to discover yourself. Sri Sri Ashram is nestled in
the Texas hill country across from the historical Frio River on a 152 acre
ranch. In the evenings/nights, beautiful stars brightly decorate the vast
sky. These luminaries are spectacular and you become spellbound gazing at
them. Come and experience the fresh air and the morning dew kissing your
feet as you walk through the grounds. All of nature conspires to bring you
peace and contentment.

The Art of Silence course is a residential course, wherein you will
experience true relaxation in a tranquil setting. It includes a combination
of Sadhana (Yoga and Meditation), Silence, Satsang (Celebration), and Seva
(Service). Silence takes you deeper into yourself, Sadhana builds Energy,
Satsang maintains it (elevating the conciousness) and finally, this energy
is lovingly channeled through Seva.

Seva sounds a lot like busing tables or peeling veggies.  Sorry, I did KP at
the house.  I don't have time for Seva, doncha know.  I have this TMSP to
do.  That ought to fool 'em.  It appears they've not encountered a TM sidha
at the Uvalde ranch before.  They had to call National for advice as to how
to handle me.

I'd be starting to feel bad that I'm veering off the program except it
seems like the program was just something Maharishi threw together over
time anyway.

I've read sentiments expressed herein that it's a shame more people were not
allowed back into the dome.  I don't see any shame in it.  I've always felt
better doing my program within a small group of people and find that program
in the dome robs me of my silence.  Also, it's not like I was on IA or any
WPAs or anything like that.  The last WPAs I was on were emergencies called
before the SF Earthquake and before they tore down the Berlin Mall (thereby
depriving Berliners of a good place to shop, I suppose).  Anything after
that might have been called a WPA but in my mind, that was a sick joke of an
appellation.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[emptybill]

Just stay with your commitment to try the course. Talk with the Sahaj
teacher if you want.
However, it sounds like you're looking for a parachute because you want
to bail before the course even starts. Elated one minute, anxious the
next ... wtf.
Just give it a chance and take it like it is.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:44 PM, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 
 
  As far as losing the mantra, it sounds like you could use a dose of
  instruction in SSRS's Sahaj Samadhi meditation. TM, as now taught
and
  practiced, is not the same as what I received in 19'70. This has
been
  observed by a number of former TM teachers who now teach Sahaj but
who keep
  in contact with tmers. Sahaj is more effortless than TM - even
though at
  first this didn't make sense (since TM is supposedly effortless). I
can't
  discuss just *how this is so (*here on this forum) but in fact this
*is
  the *way it is. Not only that ... it also makes a difference in
one's own
  experience of meditation.
 

 Hold on.  I was told by an esteemed psychologist that SSRS said if
you're
 are satisfied with your TM, don't bother learning the Sahaj Samadhi
 meditation.   Perhaps I'll need to consult with the Sahaj Samadi
meditation
 teacher when he/she arrives.  I'm told that there are very few of
these
 teachers as you need to be meditating a very long time to qualify to
teach
 the SSRS TM technique knock off.

 Hmm.  I just came upon the course description.

 The Sri Sri Ashram in Uvalde, Texas heartily welcomes you to be in
the
 midst of pristine nature to discover yourself. Sri Sri Ashram is
nestled in
 the Texas hill country across from the historical Frio River on a 152
acre
 ranch. In the evenings/nights, beautiful stars brightly decorate the
vast
 sky. These luminaries are spectacular and you become spellbound gazing
at
 them. Come and experience the fresh air and the morning dew kissing
your
 feet as you walk through the grounds. All of nature conspires to bring
you
 peace and contentment.

 The Art of Silence course is a residential course, wherein you will
 experience true relaxation in a tranquil setting. It includes a
combination
 of Sadhana (Yoga and Meditation), Silence, Satsang (Celebration), and
Seva
 (Service). Silence takes you deeper into yourself, Sadhana builds
Energy,
 Satsang maintains it (elevating the conciousness) and finally, this
energy
 is lovingly channeled through Seva.

 Seva sounds a lot like busing tables or peeling veggies.  Sorry, I did
KP at
 the house.  I don't have time for Seva, doncha know.  I have this TMSP
to
 do.  That ought to fool 'em.  It appears they've not encountered a TM
sidha
 at the Uvalde ranch before.  They had to call National for advice as
to how
 to handle me.

 I'd be starting to feel bad that I'm veering off the program except
it
 seems like the program was just something Maharishi threw together
over
 time anyway.

 I've read sentiments expressed herein that it's a shame more people
were not
 allowed back into the dome.  I don't see any shame in it.  I've always
felt
 better doing my program within a small group of people and find that
program
 in the dome robs me of my silence.  Also, it's not like I was on IA or
any
 WPAs or anything like that.  The last WPAs I was on were emergencies
called
 before the SF Earthquake and before they tore down the Berlin Mall
(thereby
 depriving Berliners of a good place to shop, I suppose).  Anything
after
 that might have been called a WPA but in my mind, that was a sick joke
of an
 appellation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Mike Dixon]

If 56,000 people need to pray 5 times a day, Park51 ain't gonna be big enough, 
but I know a place about 2 blocks away that I'm sure the Saudis would love to 
buy and build a Mosque/community center complete with swimming pool, racket 
ball 
courts and Camel race track, all facing Mecca.




From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 1:00:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic
 community, at least of significant number

Several thousand Muslims live and/or work in the area.
Not sure how you're defining community. Have you
ever been to New York? The residences in this
neighborhood (and in most of Manhattan) are apartment
buildings, not separate homes. The Muslims don't live
in an *enclave* all together.

Around 56,000 people live in the area full time; the
population rises to 300,000 during the day.

 certainly not worthy of one hundred million dollars that 
 could hold up to a thousand worshipers.

Again, it isn't a *mosque*. It's a community center, for
the *entire* community in that area, not just Muslims.
Good community centers cost that much to build and outfit.

 Yes, I'm aware there are other mosques 
 in the general area

One is four blocks from Ground Zero (two blocks from the
community center site), the other is 12 blocks.

that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba project is 
 to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?

No, Mike, it's a *community center*, featuring facilities
for the use of the entire community. It will have a *prayer
space*--not a mosque--for Muslims to accommodate overflow
at prayer times.

Also in the center will be a swimming pool, an auditorium,
a culinary school, and all kinds of other amenities for the
community (which is why it isn't a mosque--a mosque can't
have any other facilities in it).

 From: authfriend jst...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
  a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
  an Islamic community?
 
 It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
 work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
 prayer space.)
 
 There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
 don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
 them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
 Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
 can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
 required to pray five times a day.)
 
    How do those 
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
  to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
  of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
  around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
 thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
 been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
 a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
 finally ordered to leave.
 
 The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
 not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
 away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
 you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
snip
 Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or
 Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five
 pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in
 the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and practices are Just
 a residue from the middle ages shows the depth of
 incoherence between the actual reality and the feeble
 intellectual acumen such defenders bring to the table.

So I guess us dhimmi-dummies have no choice; we have to
kill them all before they kill us, right?

 Most Media Muslims disguise the degree of utter
 contradiction that exists between Islam and the West.
 One of our most current examples is CNN's Fareed
 Zakaria. The truth is that all the fundamental values
 we take for common in our post-Enlightenment culture
 are anathema to Islam.

Always wondered about that Fareed guy, all mealy-
mouthed while secretly plotting to take over CNN and
turn it into SNN, Sharia News Network.

 So if all the Fairfield Losers don't like it … too bad.
 Your sputtering furies are exactly what a Dhimmi sounds
 like.

Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies
sound like.

[FairfieldLife] Does Israel have a demagnetized moral compass?

[yifuxero]

From the Gates of Vienna blogspot, by Dymphna
...
Dymphna: Israel works: just look at the number of venture capitalists who want 
to start businesses there. 

Foreign Capital Investment is not the sole measure of a nation's functionality. 
Yes, it can be a good yardstick but it must be accompanied by other metrics of 
actual sanity.

Israel continues to exhibit some very questionable practices. Among them are 
its inability to overcome the influence of nearly suicidal portions of its own 
population that adamantly refuse to discard what is clearly a non-functional 
negotiation process with the Palestinians.

Just as suicidal is Israel's sale of advanced technology to its own enemies. A 
recent example of this is Turkey's purchase of military drone aircraft from 
Israel. Software backdoors or no, allowing your enemies to reverse engineer 
vital military technology devised and perfected at great cost is simply insane.

Israel has also taken military hardware technology shared by its most 
significant ally, America, and sold that off to our own enemy, Communist China.

All of that betrays a dysfunctional profit motive or demagnetized moral compass 
that confounds some of the most basic survival principles there are.

So, no, I do not think that Israel is any sort of shining example of a 
functional theocracy. If anything, it is the morally enabling aspect of 
Jewish theocracy that may well facilitate a debilitating case of hubris which 
manifests in a delusional degree of self-perceived immunity to consequences 
found within Israeli circles.

8/26/2010 8:02 PM   
 Lynn said... 
Good thing I didn't toss my history books. My kids will be using them 
extensively, no matter what their uninformed teachers 

[FairfieldLife] Jan Sobieski and the Siege of Vienna, 1683

[yifuxero]

http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/EastEurope/ViennaSiege.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 If 56,000 people need to pray 5 times a day, Park51 ain't
 gonna be big enough

56,000 people?? Only the Muslims need to pray five
times a day.

 but I know a place about 2 blocks away that I'm sure the
 Saudis would love to buy and build a Mosque/community
 center complete with swimming pool, racket ball courts
 and Camel race track, all facing Mecca.

You're losing it, Mike, and in an extremely unattractive
direction. Sorry I had to unsettle you by explaining away
so many of your cherished misconceptions.

But you know, that's pretty much the difference between a
bigot and a nonbigot. If a nonbigot has a misconception
and it's explained to them, they adjust their thinking
accordingly. If a bigot has a misconception and it's
explained to them, they freak out.


 From: authfriend jst...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 1:00:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic
  community, at least of significant number
 
 Several thousand Muslims live and/or work in the area.
 Not sure how you're defining community. Have you
 ever been to New York? The residences in this
 neighborhood (and in most of Manhattan) are apartment
 buildings, not separate homes. The Muslims don't live
 in an *enclave* all together.
 
 Around 56,000 people live in the area full time; the
 population rises to 300,000 during the day.
 
  certainly not worthy of one hundred million dollars that 
  could hold up to a thousand worshipers.
 
 Again, it isn't a *mosque*. It's a community center, for
 the *entire* community in that area, not just Muslims.
 Good community centers cost that much to build and outfit.
 
  Yes, I'm aware there are other mosques 
  in the general area
 
 One is four blocks from Ground Zero (two blocks from the
 community center site), the other is 12 blocks.
 
 that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba project is 
  to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?
 
 No, Mike, it's a *community center*, featuring facilities
 for the use of the entire community. It will have a *prayer
 space*--not a mosque--for Muslims to accommodate overflow
 at prayer times.
 
 Also in the center will be a swimming pool, an auditorium,
 a culinary school, and all kinds of other amenities for the
 community (which is why it isn't a mosque--a mosque can't
 have any other facilities in it).
 
  From: authfriend jstein@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
  
   Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
   a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
   an Islamic community?
  
  It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
  work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
  prayer space.)
  
  There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
  don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
  them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
  Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
  can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
  required to pray five times a day.)
  
     How do those 
   that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
   to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
   of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
   around the world at the insensitivity of it?
  
  That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
  thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
  been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
  a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
  finally ordered to leave.
  
  The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
  not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
  away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
  you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[Tom Pall]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:22 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Just stay with your commitment to try the course. Talk with the Sahaj
 teacher if you want.

 However, it sounds like you're looking for a parachute because you want to
 bail before the course even starts. Elated one minute, anxious the next ...
 wtf.

 Just give it a chance and take it like it is.

 I think you got confused somewhere in the thread.  I'm not fixing to bail
or parachute.  I had no plans on taking the Sahaj meditation, feeling that I
already have a perfectly good mantra and a technique in using it.  I think
it's utter bullshit that the TM taught today is different than what I
learned back in the 1970s.  I haven't had my checking notes recalled, so TM
is still effortless, well, in a matter of speaking.  Anything else wouldn't,
IMO be TM.

[FairfieldLife] King Abdullah Economic City

[yifuxero]

On the Red Sea coast, city to be built from scratch with 80 Billion:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/business/worldbusiness/20saudi.html?_r=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to expect at Art of Silence?

[emptybill]

Tom,
Don't think too much about. I don't do Sahaj either although I sat in
with my daughters class.There are differences although the consensus
among former TM teachers is that most people continuing with the
original TM are already abiding spontaneously in that more subtle
instruction (really just a clarification). It isn't a big deal if you
are satisfied with your own meditation. SSRS only showed concern that
people have a deep meditation, as he has described it numberless
times.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:22 PM, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 
 
  Just stay with your commitment to try the course. Talk with the
Sahaj
  teacher if you want.
 
  However, it sounds like you're looking for a parachute because you
want to
  bail before the course even starts. Elated one minute, anxious the
next ...
  wtf.
 
  Just give it a chance and take it like it is.
 
  I think you got confused somewhere in the thread.  I'm not fixing to
bail
 or parachute.  I had no plans on taking the Sahaj meditation, feeling
that I
 already have a perfectly good mantra and a technique in using it.  I
think
 it's utter bullshit that the TM taught today is different than what I
 learned back in the 1970s.  I haven't had my checking notes recalled,
so TM
 is still effortless, well, in a matter of speaking.  Anything else
wouldn't,
 IMO be TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[emptybill]

Judy,

In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about
Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather
how Islam is actually understood and actually practiced in Muslim
culture.  There is no such thing as religion in Islam; this is
a Western notion. For any Muslim who is a real Muslim. there is only
deen – life lived according to Sharia. This is the doorway
to understanding the reality of Dar-as-Salaam.



In my estimation, this is the only way to understand the threat of Islam
to Western culture and more specifically to America. Whether we can ever
come to peaceful resolution, I don't know. I personally doubt it. No
matter what happens, I don't believe in Kumbaya accommodation.

For you personally, you will decide to believe as you feel fit. However,
the actual truth is that we both are not just Kafir (in the sense of
non-believers) but we are the ones who obstruct or veil the truth. This
is not my judgment but the verdict of Islam.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
 snip
  Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or
  Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five
  pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in
  the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and practices are Just
  a residue from the middle ages shows the depth of
  incoherence between the actual reality and the feeble
  intellectual acumen such defenders bring to the table.

 So I guess us dhimmi-dummies have no choice; we have to
 kill them all before they kill us, right?

  Most Media Muslims disguise the degree of utter
  contradiction that exists between Islam and the West.
  One of our most current examples is CNN's Fareed
  Zakaria. The truth is that all the fundamental values
  we take for common in our post-Enlightenment culture
  are anathema to Islam.

 Always wondered about that Fareed guy, all mealy-
 mouthed while secretly plotting to take over CNN and
 turn it into SNN, Sharia News Network.

  So if all the Fairfield Losers don't like it … too bad.
  Your sputtering furies are exactly what a Dhimmi sounds
  like.

 Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies
 sound like.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[yifuxero]

Water buffalo crossing a river in Pune.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/08/26/business/engineering.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 
 Judy,
 
 In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated about
 Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and apologists but rather
 how Islam is actually understood and actually practiced in Muslim
 culture.  There is no such thing as religion in Islam; this is
 a Western notion. For any Muslim who is a real Muslim. there is only
 deen – life lived according to Sharia. This is the doorway
 to understanding the reality of Dar-as-Salaam.
 
 
 
 In my estimation, this is the only way to understand the threat of Islam
 to Western culture and more specifically to America. Whether we can ever
 come to peaceful resolution, I don't know. I personally doubt it. No
 matter what happens, I don't believe in Kumbaya accommodation.
 
 For you personally, you will decide to believe as you feel fit. However,
 the actual truth is that we both are not just Kafir (in the sense of
 non-believers) but we are the ones who obstruct or veil the truth. This
 is not my judgment but the verdict of Islam.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  snip
   Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or
   Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five
   pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in
   the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and practices are Just
   a residue from the middle ages shows the depth of
   incoherence between the actual reality and the feeble
   intellectual acumen such defenders bring to the table.
 
  So I guess us dhimmi-dummies have no choice; we have to
  kill them all before they kill us, right?
 
   Most Media Muslims disguise the degree of utter
   contradiction that exists between Islam and the West.
   One of our most current examples is CNN's Fareed
   Zakaria. The truth is that all the fundamental values
   we take for common in our post-Enlightenment culture
   are anathema to Islam.
 
  Always wondered about that Fareed guy, all mealy-
  mouthed while secretly plotting to take over CNN and
  turn it into SNN, Sharia News Network.
 
   So if all the Fairfield Losers don't like it … too bad.
   Your sputtering furies are exactly what a Dhimmi sounds
   like.
 
  Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies
  sound like.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
 
 Judy,
 
 In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated
 about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and
 apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and
 actually practiced in Muslim culture.  There is no such thing
 as religion in Islam; this is a Western notion. For any
 Muslim who is a real Muslim. there is only deen – life
 lived according to Sharia. This is the doorway to
 understanding the reality of Dar-as-Salaam.

What I'm interested in is how moderate American Muslims
understand Islam, and Sharia. I've seen no evidence that
their views are as extreme as you describe and a good deal
of evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you'd consider such
people not real Muslims, but where does that leave us?

When you accuse Fareed Zakaria of deliberately disguising
the degree of utter contradiction that exists between
Islam and the West, if you're including moderate Islam
in this country, I just have to tune out, because I don't
believe that accusation is rational.

BTW, I think extremist Christianity is *far* more of a
threat to this country than moderate Islam.





 In my estimation, this is the only way to understand the threat of Islam
 to Western culture and more specifically to America. Whether we can ever
 come to peaceful resolution, I don't know. I personally doubt it. No
 matter what happens, I don't believe in Kumbaya accommodation.
 
 For you personally, you will decide to believe as you feel fit. However,
 the actual truth is that we both are not just Kafir (in the sense of
 non-believers) but we are the ones who obstruct or veil the truth. This
 is not my judgment but the verdict of Islam.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  snip
   Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or
   Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five
   pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in
   the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and practices are Just
   a residue from the middle ages shows the depth of
   incoherence between the actual reality and the feeble
   intellectual acumen such defenders bring to the table.
 
  So I guess us dhimmi-dummies have no choice; we have to
  kill them all before they kill us, right?
 
   Most Media Muslims disguise the degree of utter
   contradiction that exists between Islam and the West.
   One of our most current examples is CNN's Fareed
   Zakaria. The truth is that all the fundamental values
   we take for common in our post-Enlightenment culture
   are anathema to Islam.
 
  Always wondered about that Fareed guy, all mealy-
  mouthed while secretly plotting to take over CNN and
  turn it into SNN, Sharia News Network.
 
   So if all the Fairfield Losers don't like it … too bad.
   Your sputtering furies are exactly what a Dhimmi sounds
   like.
 
  Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies
  sound like.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[yifuxero]

that's for sure! (threat of Christian Fundamentalism).  Though Huckabee seems 
to be a nice fellow, I would have difficulty accepting a person as President 
who believes that humans walked the earth at the same time as the dinosaurs.
  The world - particularly the US - needs a major paradigm shift.  Sorry to 
disappoint the TM TB'ers (should any be reading this); but MMY's influence has 
been close to zero in uplifting Global awareness. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
  Judy,
  
  In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated
  about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and
  apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and
  actually practiced in Muslim culture.  There is no such thing
  as religion in Islam; this is a Western notion. For any
  Muslim who is a real Muslim. there is only deen – life
  lived according to Sharia. This is the doorway to
  understanding the reality of Dar-as-Salaam.
 
 What I'm interested in is how moderate American Muslims
 understand Islam, and Sharia. I've seen no evidence that
 their views are as extreme as you describe and a good deal
 of evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you'd consider such
 people not real Muslims, but where does that leave us?
 
 When you accuse Fareed Zakaria of deliberately disguising
 the degree of utter contradiction that exists between
 Islam and the West, if you're including moderate Islam
 in this country, I just have to tune out, because I don't
 believe that accusation is rational.
 
 BTW, I think extremist Christianity is *far* more of a
 threat to this country than moderate Islam.
 
 
 
 
 
  In my estimation, this is the only way to understand the threat of Islam
  to Western culture and more specifically to America. Whether we can ever
  come to peaceful resolution, I don't know. I personally doubt it. No
  matter what happens, I don't believe in Kumbaya accommodation.
  
  For you personally, you will decide to believe as you feel fit. However,
  the actual truth is that we both are not just Kafir (in the sense of
  non-believers) but we are the ones who obstruct or veil the truth. This
  is not my judgment but the verdict of Islam.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
   snip
Wherever Muslims live in the West is either Dar-al-Dawa or
Dar-al-Kufr. Jihad is not optional – it is one of the five
pillars of their faith and is part of their vocation in
the West. Saying that Muslim ideas and practices are Just
a residue from the middle ages shows the depth of
incoherence between the actual reality and the feeble
intellectual acumen such defenders bring to the table.
  
   So I guess us dhimmi-dummies have no choice; we have to
   kill them all before they kill us, right?
  
Most Media Muslims disguise the degree of utter
contradiction that exists between Islam and the West.
One of our most current examples is CNN's Fareed
Zakaria. The truth is that all the fundamental values
we take for common in our post-Enlightenment culture
are anathema to Islam.
  
   Always wondered about that Fareed guy, all mealy-
   mouthed while secretly plotting to take over CNN and
   turn it into SNN, Sharia News Network.
  
So if all the Fairfield Losers don't like it … too bad.
Your sputtering furies are exactly what a Dhimmi sounds
like.
  
   Not going to say what kind of person your sputtering furies
   sound like.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
snip
 In my estimation, this is the only way to understand the
 threat of Islam to Western culture and more specifically to 
 America. Whether we can ever come to peaceful resolution, I
 don't know. I personally doubt it. No matter what happens,
 I don't believe in Kumbaya accommodation.

Just for kicks, here's part of Zakaria's recent Time column
on the community center:

-
Ever since 9/11, liberals and conservatives have
agreed that the lasting solution to the problem of 
Islamic terror is to prevail in the battle of ideas 
and to discredit radical Islam, the ideology that 
motivates young men to kill and be killed. Victory in 
the war on terror will be won when a moderate, 
mainstream version of Islam—one that is compatible 
with modernity—fully triumphs over the world view of 
Osama bin Laden.

As the conservative Middle Eastern expert Daniel 
Pipes put it, The U.S. role [in this struggle] is 
less to offer its own views than to help those 
Muslims with compatible views, especially on such 
issues as relations with non-Muslims, modernization, 
and the rights of women and minorities. To that end, 
early in its tenure the Bush administration began a 
serious effort to seek out and support moderate 
Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, 
schools, institutes, and community centers that are 
trying to modernize Islam around the world. Except, 
apparently, in New York City.

The debate over whether an Islamic center should be 
built a few blocks from the World Trade Center has 
ignored a fundamental point. If there is going to be 
a reformist movement in Islam, it is going to emerge 
from places like the proposed institute. We should be 
encouraging groups like the one behind this project, 
not demonizing them. Were this mosque being built in 
a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government 
would be funding it.

The man spearheading the center, Imam Feisal Abdul 
Rauf, is a moderate Muslim clergyman. He has said one 
or two things about American foreign policy that 
strike me as overly critical—but it's stuff you 
could read on The Huffington Post any day. On Islam, 
his main subject, Rauf's views are clear: he 
routinely denounces all terrorism—as he did again 
last week, publicly. He speaks of the need for 
Muslims to live peacefully with all other religions. 
He emphasizes the commonalities among all faiths. He 
advocates equal rights for women, and argues against 
laws that in any way punish non-Muslims. His last 
book, What's Right With Islam Is What's Right With 
America, argues that the United States is actually 
the ideal Islamic society because it encourages 
diversity and promotes freedom for individuals and 
for all religions. His vision of Islam is bin Laden's 
nightmare.
-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
snip
 Just for kicks, here's part of Zakaria's recent Time column
 on the community center:

Yeesh, sorry, that's Newsweek, not Time:

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/06/the-real-ground-zero.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Let a 1000 Blossoms Bloom

[Joe]

My god yes. All we need is for one of these loony-tunes (think Sarah Palin) who 
say that God/Jesus is speaking directly to them to get in to the White House.

Wait, we already did! W. Bush said that he took advice from his real father, 
not his biological father. That worked out really well didn't it.

Religious extremism of any stripe is not a good thing. To bring this home to 
FFL, there is a reason the current TMO is referred to as the TM Taliban. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
  Judy,
  
  In spite of my stridence, my point is simple. Become educated
  about Islam. I do not mean the Islam of academics and
  apologists but rather how Islam is actually understood and
  actually practiced in Muslim culture.  There is no such thing
  as religion in Islam; this is a Western notion. For any
  Muslim who is a real Muslim. there is only deen – life
  lived according to Sharia. This is the doorway to
  understanding the reality of Dar-as-Salaam.
 
 What I'm interested in is how moderate American Muslims
 understand Islam, and Sharia. I've seen no evidence that
 their views are as extreme as you describe and a good deal
 of evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you'd consider such
 people not real Muslims, but where does that leave us?
 
 When you accuse Fareed Zakaria of deliberately disguising
 the degree of utter contradiction that exists between
 Islam and the West, if you're including moderate Islam
 in this country, I just have to tune out, because I don't
 believe that accusation is rational.
 
 BTW, I think extremist Christianity is *far* more of a
 threat to this country than moderate Islam.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperation to fill the Domes

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James Peterson enjoyhumanbe...@... 
wrote:
Initiator  #11,362   Vittel,  France.   January  20,  1977

11,362 TM teachers by 1977.

What did the number of teachers max out at?

29K TM-Governors?  90K Sidhas?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@...
wrote:

 Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a
community center
 and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How
do those
 that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a
convent
 next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are
they as
 outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?


I guess I just don't get it.  As one with Jewish DNA in his blood, I
would see nothing wrong with this gesture by Carmolite nuns.  And I am
coming late to the discussion, but as I understand it, there is a strip
joint in close vicinity to the site, and there is another Islamic center
of some sort a few blocks away from this one.  So, the strip club is
okay, and probably all the other funny business in that densely
populated area.  And if the reports I've heard are true, no one seemed
opposed to project until a blogger brought it out into the open.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[seventhray1]

They open the thing, people will go about their business, and if they
mind their own business, this whole affair just goes away.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@...
wrote:

 My understanding is that the area doesn't have an Islamic community,
at least of
 significant number, certainly not worthy of one hundred million
dollars that
 could hold up to a thousand worshipers. Yes, I'm aware there are other
mosques
 in the general area that nobody seems to care about. So the Cordoba
project is
 to accommodate the over flow of the other mosques?



 
 From: authfriend jst...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:25:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build
  a community center and mosque in an area that doesn't have
  an Islamic community?

 It does have an Islamic community, plus many Muslims who
 work in the area. (And no mosque in the building, just a
 prayer space.)

 There are already two mosques in the general area, but they
 don't have nearly enough room for the Muslims who would use
 them for prayer. There has been a prayer space in the old
 Burlington Coat Factory building for some time for those who
 can't get into the other mosques to pray. (Muslims are
 required to pray five times a day.)

 Â Â  How do those
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting
  to build a convent next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls
  of those murder there? Are they as outraged as Jews from
  around the world at the insensitivity of it?

 That was a different situation in many respects. Just for one
 thing, the convent took over a building at the site that had
 been used to store the gas for the gas chambers, made it into
 a convent, and stayed there for *nine years* until they were
 finally ordered to leave.

 The community center (in case you hadn't heard this yet) is
 not to be built on the ground zero site, it's two blocks
 away in a business district. If you know that area of town,
 you know it's a different world from the ground zero site.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[Sal Sunshine]

 On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:37 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:
 
  Why would anybody spend one hundred million dollars to build a community 
  center 
  and mosque in an area that doesn't have an Islamic community?   How do 
  those 
  that support this effort feel about Carmelite nuns wanting to build a 
  convent 
  next to Auschwitz to pray for the souls of those murder there? Are they as 
  outraged as Jews from around the world at the insensitivity of it?
 
 
 
 I guess I just don't get it.  As one with Jewish DNA in his blood, I would 
 see nothing wrong with this gesture by Carmolite nuns.  

I don't get it either.  

 And I am coming late to the discussion, but as I understand it, there is a 
 strip joint in close vicinity to the site, and there is another Islamic 
 center of some sort a few blocks away from this one.  So, the strip club is 
 okay, and probably all the other funny business in that densely populated 
 area.  And if the reports I've heard are true, no one seemed opposed to 
 project until a blogger brought it out into the open.

Bingo.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ground Zero Mosque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:
snip
 And if the reports I've heard are true, no one seemed
 opposed to project until a blogger brought it out into
 the open.

It was out in the open from the get-go, articles in the
NY Times (back in *December*), TV interviews. Nobody
thought twice about it until the blogger started
screaming about hallowed ground. Actually even the
blogger had been at it for a while and had gained some
right-wing supporters and some of the 9/11 families, but
the shrieking didn't go national until the New York Post
picked it up and started making noise about it.

There was an article on Salon.com a few weeks ago that
traces the history of the hoo-hah:

http://www.salon.com/news/ground_zero_mosque/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins

http://tinyurl.com/268xsxe

[FairfieldLife] Carter Wins Freedom for American Held in N. Korea

[John]

The former president did an excellent job in brokering the release of this 
American.  How come some Americans don't appear to understand that N. Korea is 
no place to visit or stage a protest?

Carter or Bill Clinton may not be able to rescue the next batch of captives.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38874977/ns/world_news-asiapacific

[FairfieldLife] Bernanke Should Learn How to Jawbone the Economy

[John]

Aside from the technical aspect of managing the economy, Bernanke should learn 
from Greenspan in what to say to the media about money matters. 

Nonetheless, it appears that the economy should turn around by the end of 
August, despite the apparent downturn of the Dow Jones average in the past few 
days.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38870575/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy