[FairfieldLife] Gold and Silver now legal tender,Taxes Be Paid In Gold And Silver
Wow. Gold and Silver now legal tender in Utah due to Dying Dolar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UhROtlz_0 some food for thought: [the central banks] no longer trust each other [and] there's this perception that different countries are trying to weaken their currency in order to get a competitive advantage, Bank of America Merrill Lynch HA.Gold, the ancient metal of kings, is reasserting itself as the currency of choice as it has done again and again since the earliest of human times! Georgia Legislator Wants Tax Payments in Silver or Gold By Bryan Schott, Managing Editor mailto:bsch...@utahpolicy.com Fresh on the heels of Rep. John Dougall's idea to create a gold standard in Utah http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50949183-76/gold-state-utah-coins.htm\ l.csp , a Georgia lawmaker is proposing a bill to force residents there to pay their taxes in gold and silver coins.Rep. Bobby Franklin's Constitutional Tender Act http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2011_12/fulltext/hb3.htm would require tax payments in pre-1965 silver coins, silver eagles and gold eagle coins. Georgia Legislator's Bill Would Require Taxes Be Paid In Gold And Silver http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/30/georgia-bill-gold-and-silver_n\ _802618.html [Georgia Bill Gold Silver] The Huffington Post Nick Wing First Posted: 12/30/10 10:17 AM Updated: 12/30/10 03:54 PM Gold's history as a currency extends back thousands of years. The western world's first known standardised minting of gold currency took place in 564 BCE by King Croesus of western Asia Minor. However, it is also believed that China in the fifth and sixth century BCE, minted the Ying yuan gold coin as well. In the great Gupta Empire of India, from 320 to 550 CE, gold coins were used throughout its domain. so Raam mudra--out gold coins --in Gold reserve? And in the early Islamic world around the time of the Prophet Muhammad, the gold dinar coin led as its currency. Everything you need to know about the 3rd pillar of Islam and the necessary use of gold: Statement On the Shariah Currency and Legal Tender http://zakatpages.com/2010/08/17/statement-on-the-shariah-currency-and-\ legal-tender/ http://zakatpages.com/ Gold key to financing Gaddafi struggle http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/03/22/gaddafi.gold.ft/index.html http://tinyurl.com/4gpkdfv The official producer and promoter of the Islamic Dinar and Dirham http://www.islamicmint.com/ (Still a lot of cui bono? questions about this military adventure. Why are the French so heavily involved? What reconstructions deals were made, in order to create the coalition? Why was Germany so incensed that they withdrew their troops from NATO? Is Gaddafi's gold reserve an issue? ) In Europe, gold coins became an important or central monetary unit for the Greeks, Romans, Venetians, Dutch, Spanish and British.The World Gold Council (WGC) says that, since the 14th Century, gold's purchasing power has maintained a broadly constant level an ounce of gold has repeatedly bought a mid-range outfit of clothing in the fourteenth century in the late 18th century and at the beginning of this century (2000 to 2008) On the other hand, the US dollar that bought 14.5 loaves of bread in 1900 buys only 3/4 of a loaf today. While inflation and other forces have ravaged the value of the world's currencies, gold has emerged with its capacity for wealth preservation firmly intact [whether] in the face of financial turmoil [as] a crisis hedge [or] as an inflation hedge. http://www.gold.org/world_of_gold/story_of_gold/the_constant/ http://tinyurl.com/4b9lf2u http://www.oilngold.com/ong-focus/insights/gold-performs-better-in-highe\ r-inflation-environment-over-the-past-4-decades-2011021616401/ http://tinyurl.com/4ge7ode Unlike paper money, gold, particularly, has proven itself in maintaining its value over many centuries. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the US Federal Reserve, said in a Bloomberg report on September 9, 2009, that, [ What is fascinating is the extent to which gold still holds reign over the financial system as the ultimate source of payment. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=acrGvxBXPDfk http://tinyurl.com/ye8e6sd And this is also because, [the central banks] no longer trust each other [and] there's this perception that different countries are trying to weaken their currency in order to get a competitive advantage, said Francisco Blanch, head of global commodity research at Bank of America Merrill Lynch at a New York City November 2010 conference, reports Fastmarkets. Among the countries whose central banks are increasing their gold reserves are China, India, and Russiaall countries with mammoth trade surpluses and foreign exchange reserves. Additionally, gold is possibly set to play a reinvigorated role in the international monetary system. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) as well as most members of the G20 are seeking alternatives to the US dollar as
[FairfieldLife] Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without fighting over, but one can hope. :-) It's a study based on data from nine countries, collected over decades (some of it dating back 100 years) about religious affiliation. Running the numbers shows a steady increase in the number of people declaring themselves as having no religious affiliation, which will come as no surprise to many. What is surprising is the *rate* at which this is increasing, and the explanation that the study authors have for why it is happening. The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. I currently live in a country that has the second-highest population declaring no religious affiliation, and I completely understand why. The Dutch are probably the most pragmatic people I've ever met. They would instantly get the term relative utility. They adopt lifestyles and practices because they have some utility; they provide some kind of pragmatic, real-world payoff. They reject practices that have no utility. 40% of them feel that religion has no relative utility. Therefore why bother with it? Anyway, here's the article, with passages and phrases I thought were cool highlighted. Study Claims Religion Could DisappearA new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, *largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was*. The study was authored by Daniel Abrams and Haley Yale of Northwestern University's engineering and applied mathematics department and Richard Wiener, a physics professor at the University of Arizona http://www.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/472/arizona/ . Looking at census data in nine different countries, the study applies a mathematical model of the dynamics between groups. The model appears to show religion eventually disappearing from those countries. The team chose Australia http://www.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/389/australia/ , Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the Netherlands because those countries gathered census information on religious affiliations, some of it dating back more than 100 years. (In the U.S., such data is spottier). The survey data showed more people in those nations were saying they had no religious affiliation at all. The largest figure was 60 percent for the Czech Republic and 40 percent for the Netherlands. *One thing that caught the researchers' attention was the speed of change*. For example, surveys taken in the Schwyz Canton in Switzerland, about 20 miles southeast of Zurich, show about 5.5 percent of respondents saying they were unaffiliated in a survey taken a decade ago. In 1950 the number was near zero. It seems to have nearly doubled every time a survey was taken since then. The model uses a concept called relative utility. It's a measure of how useful it is to be a member of some religious group. A relative utility score of 0.5 means it is just as useful to be religious as not to be, and people will simply join the larger group (other things being equal). A relative utility of zero would mean that it is a near-absolute advantage to be a member of a religious group (this might apply in a country where apostasy is punishable by law). Abrams said he assumed the relative utility remained constant, at least over the last century, and when he ran the data through the model he found a surprising result: the realtive utility score was greater than 0.5 over that period. The across-the-board increase in the numbers of non-religious might be for several reasons. One, the researchers say, is that bigger groups have an easier time attracting new members (this dynamic also applies to social networking Web sites). As unaffiliated groups get larger more people see a social benefit to joining. Another is changes in the way people live. Churches once filled a lot of the social functions in a community. That is less true in a modern society, where there are jobs, schools, and other organizations that aren't necessarily church-related. That alters the relative utility score. But in this case, Abrams applied a similar model in 2003 to show why some
[FairfieldLife] MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
MUM Q A hits YouTube: MUM QA session on "David Wants to Fly" on YouTubePosted: 24 Mar 2011 09:31 PM PDTEarlier this month, a question-and-answer session with TM movement and David Lynch Foundation spokesperson Bob Roth was held on the campus of Maharishi University of Management. Video of that session has now been posted to YouTube.The main subject of the session was David Sieveking's film, "David Wants to Fly," which has been making the rounds of various film festivals here in the U.S. and has been released to theaters in Europe. Some in the audience had seen the film, but it's unclear to what degree the film is available for viewing in Fairfield.In any case, this question-and-answer session provides an interesting window into how critics of the Transcendental Meditation program are viewed from the view of one person whose full-time job is the promotion of Transcendental Meditation, primarily to the press and prominent individuals.I might write up a more lengthy commentary on Bob Roth's statements at some later time, but in the meantime here are a few observations.Roth said, "His [David Lynch's} comment on the film was that David [Sieveking] has made the film that he and his producers, which was the German government's national television, wanted to make." A person in the audience then laughs. This is not true, as an experienced filmmaker like Lynch should already know. As is obvious from the credits which can be seen at IMDB, it was produced by a German independent film production company. Co-producers listed on the credits include a number of other independent production companies in Austria, Germany, Sweden and Switzerland, a Franco-German TV channel, and the public broadcasting stations of Bavaria and Austria. Financial assistance to the arts, including film, from European government agencies is standard practice for European film productions and does not suggest that those governments had any say in the content of the film. This would be similar to claiming that because a program appeared on a PBS station here that it must be government propaganda, which is the impression that Roth appears to be trying to make here. The TM movement has long held a special grudge against the German government, for among other things, a 1986 court ruling stating that the TM organization should be considered a "cult."Roth said, "He [Lynch] never intended, he wanted everyone to know, he never intended ever to sue this person [Sieveking], to prevent the showing of this film, ever. He [Lynch] believes in artistic freedom and creative freedom... An overture or a letter was sent on his [Lynch's] behalf to try and stop this film from being shown without consulting David [Lynch]." Given Lynch's paean to "artistic freedom," if this were true, the sending of a letter like this on his behalf should have been grounds for severing all ties between the DLF and the TM movement. Critics have noted that MUM law professor William Goldstein has served as in-house legal counsel to both MUM and the David Lynch Foundation along with other TM movement corporate entities such as the Maharishi Foundation all the way back to 1992; given that relationship I think it's inconceivable that such a letter would have been sent without Lynch's knowledge.There's a bizarrely fascinating sequence where Roth talks about how "big" TM-EX was in the mid-1980's, how the TM-Free Blog is one of a few TM-EX "splinter organizations," and how there's "3 or 4 people who write these." Roth then goes on to list a number of the standard "accusations" about the TM movement that have circulated, at many websites and not necessarily here at this blog, for years: "that the movement has anywhere between 3 billion and 9 billion dollars" "all of the research on Transcendental Meditation, because it's done by meditating scientists, is bogus" "research shows that Transcendental Meditation has an adverse affect, that for some people it's good but for a lot of people it causes a lot of problems, and this isn't just anecdotal, this is research" Roth then goes on to liken criticism of Transcendental Meditation to the assertion that President Barack Obama was born in Kenya - something that's repeated often, widely believed, but is not true.Understandably it is difficult to briefly summarize what prominent critics of Transcendental Meditation are writing, or have written over the past few decades. However, if you search on "billion dollars" against this blog on Google, you'll see that that specific accusation about the movement's current net worth does not appear here except in a comment that wasn't made by a blog contributor. As for the research that's touted to promote TM and who does it, there is no question that many (and clearly not all) of the studies cited today by the promoters of TM are done by people associated with the TM movement, and much of it is of embarrasingly low quality. One such recent and prominent example widely offered by Roth and other TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility
Following up on the term and concept of relative utility, isn't the *lack* of it exactly what's wrong with the TM movement? When people started practicing TM (at least most of the people here), everything they were told about it was in terms of relative utility. It could help *you* relax. It could improve *your* creative intelligence and help you to get better grades, etc. The siddhis were supposed to enable *you* to fly, and realize *your* enlightenment more quickly. Only trouble was, after a couple of years of people practicing the siddhis, no one was flying, and no one was enlightened. Spending several hours a day butt-bouncing just wasn't paying off in terms of utility for the people practicing it. So MMY shifted his marketing strategy and tried to convince people that they weren't doing it for themselves at all, they were doing it for the world. If you can't sell it using the promise of personal benefit because it doesn't appear, start to promise some kind of altruistic, non-personal benefit. Instead of Do this and you'll see the benefits in your own life, he started promising Do this and you will see benefits in the world at large. The implication, of course, is that these worldly benefits will help you in the long run. It's sort of Maharishi's version of the trickle down theory. :-) Problem was that none of these promised benefits showed up for the world, either. So at this point, who is going to be willing to spend several hours a day practicing a technique that doesn't pay off for them personally as was originally promised, and doesn't pay off for the world at large, as was subsequently promised? The TMO has lost its utility credibility. I know that Buck would like to believe that if the Rajas just opened the dome doors to everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, or the heinous sin of seeing another teacher, that the TMO could make the numbers it keeps insisting that it's gotta make for the ME to really work. I'm not convinced that is true. As Sal and others have pointed out, I don't think very many would take advantage of Dome passes for everyone. Over the last few years, as a result of the shunning, they've seen *exactly* how little they need the TMO, or need to be part of the TMO social scene or the dome social scene. They've had a chance to see what the payoff or utility of being a regular dome-goer really *was*, by having it removed from their lives. I doubt very many found it a big loss. That's one of the things that I think is at the bottom of the study I started this thread with. In the countries studied, a great number of people made a scientific experiment. They said, What will happen to me and to my life if I stop going to church? Not only did nothing bad happen to them, but many of them now have more time and money to do things they'd rather be doing. Instead of Bad Things happening to them, as had been pre- dicted by the churches, only good seemed to come from their experiment. Same with going to the domes. What will happen to me if I stop going to the domes? Nothing bad happened. People suddenly had several more hours in which to enjoy life, and more money to use when enjoying it. No boils or sores or plagues of locusts, no bolts of lightning striking them down, nada. In fact, many no-longer-dome-goers probably feel that no longer going is one of the best decisions they've ever made. Relative utility. You can't ask people to continue practicing (and paying for) something that doesn't pay off for them in terms of utility in their own lives. Promise what you will, sooner or later most people you promise it to will use the relative utility scale, run the numbers, and abandon the practices that don't pay off as promised. I, for one, think that this is natural and the way things should be. Promise anything to the faithful you want, but if you don't deliver, neither be surprised nor offended when the faithful write your asses off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote:Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying "Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without fighting over," but one can hope. :-) It's a study based on data from nine countries, collected over decades (some of it dating back 100 years) about religious affiliation. "Running the numbers" shows a steady increase in the number of people declaring themselves as having "no religious affiliation," which will come as no surprise to many. What is surprising is the *rate* at which this is increasing, and the explanation that the study authors have for why it is happening.The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: "A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was." I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. "What," I asked (although possibly in different words), "would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory?" Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. I currently live in a country that has the second-highest population declaring "no religious affiliation," and I completely understand why. The Dutch are probably the mostpragmatic people I've ever met. They would instantly get the term "relative utility." They adopt lifestyles and practices because they have some utility; they provide some kind of pragmatic, real-world payoff. They reject practices that have no utility. 40% of them feel that religion has no relative utility. Therefore why bother with it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka
Yep Harry died at the dome. Why do we mourn departed friends? Harry was one of those people you meet in life that was different. Harry in life was great heart-ed fun with a great mind and clear established intellect, and a bright light kind of guy all along. It's who he was here. In the old tapes with Maharishi discoursing, Harry was one of those people who when he got up to the question microphone could lead Maharishi through wonderful dialogues in series. Like Rick Archer was able to also. They were kind of a class of life-long meditator. Some of the more memorable dialogues on tape of the old days were with either of these guys at the mics with Maharishi. Seems there's a race against time as an old guard who knew Maharishi leave one by one. Harry was of a time. With fond regard R.I.P., -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka I just saw Harry a like last week; hard to believe...he looked perfectly healthy to me... What happened? I heard he collapsed in the dome coat room after program. Probably a heart attack.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote: The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. It's true, through the double-hung windows of science and meditation, religion is disappearing and I do pray at the Unified Field for you all every day. That's my experience. As the science is showing, there's a great utility in that. And on a relative utility curve I know my experience in this too. There's a practicality of great relative utility to spirituality with this in life. Everyone ought to do it. I'm with Bobby Roth and the TM adherents on that as well as Daniel Siegel at UCLA with mindfulness. It ought to be public policy for all youngsters to learn meditation even in public school. To hell with religion. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without fighting over, but one can hope. :-) It's a study based on data from nine countries, collected over decades (some of it dating back 100 years) about religious affiliation. Running the numbers shows a steady increase in the number of people declaring themselves as having no religious affiliation, which will come as no surprise to many. What is surprising is the *rate* at which this is increasing, and the explanation that the study authors have for why it is happening. The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. Yes, you are right - it has no relative utility. But relative utility does not prove or disprove something:) But let's not go there again.. I am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. Relative utility may apply to declining church membership. But when it comes to personal beliefs or ideas that just seem right I am not sure utility can be applied. In the study, increasing numbers of people are not affiliated with a church, but may continue to have a set of beliefs. Believing in something has utility since it fends off feeling of being alone and adrift on this planet. But I also look at belief in something as a tendency to that as partially due to the brain structure of people and I doubt a sense of utility comes in to play. Certainly nurture will have an effect, but some things over ride nurture and this might be one of them if it is brain-based. Did you ever see the HBO special called Sunset LImited, starring Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel Jackson (not out on Netflix yet)? It is based on a play written by Cormac McCarthy and is a conversation between an intellectual, brilliant and suicidal college professor and a black evangelical Christian who is convinced that God exists and cares deeply about him and each and every human. You might like it. One of the ideas I took away from it is that belief can be important to some people's well being. And I think that is good - even if it is not an accurate belief system - if the belief system encourages things like compassion, spending time helping others, etc etc. There is a fine line between convincing others of your Truth and of pulling the rug out from under them. And it works both ways. I currently live in a country that has the second-highest population declaring no religious affiliation, and I completely understand why. The Dutch are probably the most pragmatic people I've ever met. They would instantly get the term relative utility. They adopt lifestyles and practices because they have some utility; they provide some kind of pragmatic, real-world payoff. They reject practices that have no utility. 40% of them feel that religion has no relative utility. Therefore why bother with it? Sounds clean and clear-headed for daily life. But a part of me really likes dark vaulted rooms with candles lit, a puja or chant going on, some incense burning, and a feeling of something somewhere being sacred and smarter than I am. I like the quiet and hushed feeling, the drop into no thought. It might be childish, but I think it is fairly normal. MIght even be something we humans need to feel rested and refreshed. Apparently the Dutch do fine without it. What fills that role in their lives, if anything? Anyway, here's the article, with passages and phrases I thought were cool highlighted. Study Claims Religion Could DisappearA new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, *largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was*. The study was authored by Daniel Abrams and Haley Yale of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. Tens of thousands of people are attending rival mass rallies in Yemen's capital Sanaa, a week after some 50 people were shot dead at a protest. In a weak applied field, a superconductor expels nearly all magnetic flux. It does this by setting up electric currents near its surface. The magnetic field of these surface currents cancels the applied magnetic field within the bulk of the superconductor. As the field expulsion, or cancellation, does not change with time, the currents producing this effect (called persistent currents) do not decay with time. Therefore the conductivity can be thought of as infinite: a superconductor. The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state. Walther Meissner and Robert Ochsenfeld discovered the phenomenon in 1933 by measuring the magnetic field distribution outside superconducting tin and lead samples.[1] The samples, in the presence of an applied magnetic field, were cooled below what is called their superconducting transition temperature. Below the transition temperature the samples canceled nearly all magnetic fields inside. They detected this effect only indirectly; because the magnetic flux is conserved by a superconductor, when the interior field decreased the exterior field increased. The experiment demonstrated for the first time that superconductors were more than just perfect conductors and provided a uniquely defining property of the superconducting state. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without fighting over, but one can hope. :-) It's a study based on data from nine countries, collected over decades (some of it dating back 100 years) about religious affiliation. Running the numbers shows a steady increase in the number of people declaring themselves as having no religious affiliation, which will come as no surprise to many. What is surprising is the *rate* at which this is increasing, and the explanation that the study authors have for why it is happening. The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. Yes, you are right - it has no relative utility. But relative utility does not prove or disprove something:) But let's not go there again.. I am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. Relative utility may apply to declining church membership. But when it comes to personal beliefs or ideas that just seem right I am not sure utility can be applied. In the study, increasing numbers of people are not affiliated with a church, but may continue to have a set of beliefs. Believing in something has utility since it fends off feeling of being alone and adrift on this planet. But I also look at belief in something as a tendency to that as partially due to the brain structure of people and I doubt a sense of utility comes in to play. Certainly nurture will have an effect, but some things over ride nurture and this might be one of them if it is brain-based. Did you ever see the HBO special called Sunset LImited, starring Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel Jackson (not out on Netflix yet)? It is based on a play written by Cormac McCarthy and is a conversation between an intellectual, brilliant and suicidal college professor and a black evangelical Christian who is convinced that God exists and cares deeply about him
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: MUM Q A hits YouTube: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Posted: 24 Mar 2011 09:31 PM PDT Earlier this month, a question-and-answer session with TM movement and David Lynch Foundation spokesperson Bob Roth was held on the campus of Maharishi University of Management. Video of that session has now been posted to YouTube.  The main subject of the session was David Sieveking's film, David Wants to Fly, which has been making the rounds of various film festivals here in the U.S. and has been released to theaters in Europe. Some in the audience had seen the film, but it's unclear to what degree the film is available for viewing in Fairfield. In any case, this question-and-answer session provides an interesting window into how critics of the Transcendental Meditation program are viewed from the view of one person whose full-time job is the promotion of Transcendental Meditation, primarily to the press and prominent individuals. I might write up a more lengthy commentary on Bob Roth's statements at some later time, but in the meantime here are a few observations. Roth said, His [David Lynch's} comment on the film was that David [Sieveking] has made the film that he and his producers, which was the German government's national television, wanted to make. A person in the audience then laughs. This is not true, as an experienced filmmaker like Lynch should already know. As is obvious from the credits which can be seen at IMDB, it was produced by a German independent film production company. Co-producers listed on the credits include a number of other independent production companies in Austria, Germany, Sweden and Switzerland, a Franco- German TV channel, and the public broadcasting stations of Bavaria and Austria. Financial assistance to the arts, including film, from European government agencies is standard practice for European film productions and does not suggest that those governments had any say in the content of the film. This would be similar to claiming that because a program appeared on a PBS station here that it must be government propaganda, which is the impression that Roth appears to be trying to make here. The TM movement has long held a special grudge against the German government, for among other things, a 1986 court ruling stating that the TM organization should be considered a cult. Roth said, He [Lynch] never intended, he wanted everyone to know, he never intended ever to sue this person [Sieveking], to prevent the showing of this film, ever. He [Lynch] believes in artistic freedom and creative freedom... An overture or a letter was sent on his [Lynch's] behalf to try and stop this film from being shown without consulting David [Lynch]. Given Lynch's paean to artistic freedom, if this were true, the sending of a letter like this on his behalf should have been grounds for severing all ties between the DLF and the TM movement. Critics have noted that MUM law professor William Goldstein has served as in-house legal counsel to both MUM and the David Lynch Foundation along with other TM movement corporate entities such as the Maharishi Foundation all the way back to 1992; given that relationship I think it's inconceivable that such a letter would have been sent without Lynch's knowledge. There's a bizarrely fascinating sequence where Roth talks about how big TM-EX was in the mid-1980's, how the TM-Free Blog is one of a few TM-EX splinter organizations, and how there's 3 or 4 people who write these. Roth then goes on to list a number of the standard accusations about the TM movement that have circulated, at many websites and not necessarily here at this blog, for years: that the movement has anywhere between 3 billion and 9 billion dollars all of the research on Transcendental Meditation, because it's done by meditating scientists, is bogus research shows that Transcendental Meditation has an adverse affect, that for some people it's good but for a lot of people it causes a lot of problems, and this isn't just anecdotal, this is research Roth then goes on to liken criticism of Transcendental Meditation to the assertion that President Barack Obama was born in Kenya - something that's repeated often, widely believed, but is not true. Understandably it is difficult to briefly summarize what prominent critics of Transcendental Meditation are writing, or have written over the past few decades. However, if you search on billion dollars against this blog on Google, you'll see that that specific accusation about the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. Yes, you are right - it has no relative utility. But relative utility does not prove or disprove something:) But let's not go there again.. While true, it's irrelevant to the pragmatic person. Free will or the lack thereof is a theory. And as the old saying goes, In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. :-) I once worked (for a short time) with a real Yaqui shaman, one of the people whose teachings Carlos Castaneda ripped off without ever crediting him. I asked him once whether he believed in reincarnation. He said that he hadn't ever given it any thought, because a 'Yes' answer would be counter-productive to the way to live a happy and productive life. I asked him to explain, and he said that to believe in reincarnation implies to the believer that he or she has all the time in the world to get things right, or to do things impeccably. Believing that takes away the advantage of death as an advisor, and realizing that one does *not* have all the time in the world. If you have the will to try to do things impeccably, Here And Now is the only place to do it. Believing that you have another life or more lives in which to do it becomes an excuse for never doing it Here And Now. I liked that, and the sheer pragmatic wisdom of it. He *could* have believed in reincarnation, but he saw no possible up side IN believing it. There was no utility in believing it. It was irrelevant, an exercise in mental masturbation that took one *out* of full participation in Here And Now, which in his view rendered it useless, a waste of time to even ponder. That's sorta the way I am about the issue of free will. It's irrelevant. My subjective experience synchs nicely with the teachings of people I respect, and leads me to believe in free will. It is productive and pragmatic for me to believe it, because I can take initiative at trying to do things that can change in a positive way my own life, and the lives of others. There is simply no up side or utility in believing otherwise. If it were to turn out to be true that there was no free will, have I lost anything by not believing in it? Nope. It's the same issue as not believing in reincarnation and finding oneself reincarnating. No harm, no foul. :-) I am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I agree. There is the aspect of predilection. I know some people who adamantly *refuse* to run their own lives, or take responsibility for them. They don't even *pay* for their own lives; they've conned others into paying for them for several decades now, just because they're so spiritual and all. For them, what would be the utility of anything that allowed them or enabled them to better take care of themselves or others. Their whole world revolves around God doing it all, and they'd actually consider it some form of sin or heresy to believe that they had a hand in doing *anything*. Not exactly my cuppa tea, but they get off on it, so it's none of my business how they choose to live. For them religion has utility because it continually reinforces the not responsible approach they take to living. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. I think the keyword there is unfair. Some people need or would like to believe that life is fair. Others, like myself, don't have any such need. Therefore I have no need for pat answers or theories that suggests that it is fair. I'm perfectly content with pretty random. :-) Relative utility may apply to declining church membership. But when it comes to personal beliefs or ideas that just seem right I am not sure utility can be applied. In the study, increasing numbers of people are not affiliated with a church,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. What the brain is mostly concerned with, it turns out, is survival and reproduction~~unsurprisingly. And it's not the finer aspects of our nervous system or metabolism (whatever that is) that's concerned with garbage like religion and spirituality, it's the stupider aspects. And that includes all of it~~religion, spirituality, ~~or any other crap that doesn't contribute directly to our well-being. And as far as people needing explanations for why life is so often unfair, maybe I have more faith in people than you or some others, because I'm pretty sure most people can see pretty clearly why it's unfair: some people have a lot fewer qualms than most about taking advantage of the system and screwing over everyone else. And that goes for any time or place. You'd have to believe in a pretty mean-spirited God to think that he/she/it is going to ever get around to dispensing any kind of justice whatsoever, in this world or whatever may come next. I doubt religion has ever provided even much real comfort, which is why so often people have to be forced into it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - Well, belief aside there is spiritual experience. Yep, like in the progressive Western enlightenment by the ME. You know, the Meissner Effect. Knowledge is structured in Consciousness It started back a ways: Trend line of European quietism, some of the German philosophers, George Fox, Mother Ann, Thomas Paine, Elias Hicks, Emerson, Vivekananda, Yogananda, Maharishi, and now us. There's a relative utility to the experience. It's nature and it's the free will of the free grace of the Unified Field when you are open to it and more people are open to it now than ever before free of religion in the science and meditation of the modern world. May the force be with you. Come along and help. -Buck in FF altho certainly to some aspects. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. What the brain is mostly concerned with, it turns out, is survival and reproduction~~unsurprisingly. And it's not the finer aspects of our nervous system or metabolism (whatever that is) that's concerned with garbage like religion and spirituality, it's the stupider aspects. And that includes all of it~~religion, spirituality, ~~or any other crap that doesn't contribute directly to our well-being. And as far as people needing explanations for why life is so often unfair, maybe I have more faith in people than you or some others, because I'm pretty sure most people can see pretty clearly why it's unfair: some people have a lot fewer qualms than most about taking advantage of the system and screwing over everyone else. And that goes for any time or place. You'd have to believe in a pretty mean-spirited God to think that he/she/it is going to ever get around to dispensing any kind of justice whatsoever, in this world or whatever may come next. I doubt religion has ever provided even much real comfort, which is why so often people have to be forced into it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. Yes, you are right - it has no relative utility. But relative utility does not prove or disprove something:) But let's not go there again.. While true, it's irrelevant to the pragmatic person. Free will or the lack thereof is a theory. And as the old saying goes, In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. :-) I once worked (for a short time) with a real Yaqui shaman, one of the people whose teachings Carlos Castaneda ripped off without ever crediting him. I asked him once whether he believed in reincarnation. He said that he hadn't ever given it any thought, because a 'Yes' answer would be counter-productive to the way to live a happy and productive life. I asked him to explain, and he said that to believe in reincarnation implies to the believer that he or she has all the time in the world to get things right, or to do things impeccably. Believing that takes away the advantage of death as an advisor, and realizing that one does *not* have all the time in the world. If you have the will to try to do things impeccably, Here And Now is the only place to do it. Believing that you have another life or more lives in which to do it becomes an excuse for never doing it Here And Now. I like this too. Good story. I liked that, and the sheer pragmatic wisdom of it. He *could* have believed in reincarnation, but he saw no possible up side IN believing it. There was no utility in believing it. It was irrelevant, an exercise in mental masturbation that took one *out* of full participation in Here And Now, which in his view rendered it useless, a waste of time to even ponder. I don't think like that - analyze how pragmatic a thought or feeling is. Sounds like it does simplify things and prevents years of dithering. I could use a dose of that. That's sorta the way I am about the issue of free will. It's irrelevant. My subjective experience synchs nicely with the teachings of people I respect, and leads me to believe in free will. It is productive and pragmatic for me to believe it, because I can take initiative at trying to do things that can change in a positive way my own life, and the lives of others. There is simply no up side or utility in believing otherwise. If it were to turn out to be true that there was no free will, have I lost anything by not believing in it? Nope. Very true and that is the last I will say about that dear topic of free will. It's the same issue as not believing in reincarnation and finding oneself reincarnating. No harm, no foul. :-) I am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I agree. There is the aspect of predilection. I know some people who adamantly *refuse* to run their own lives, or take responsibility for them. They don't even *pay* for their own lives; they've conned others into paying for them for several decades now, just because they're so spiritual and all. For them, what would be the utility of anything that allowed them or enabled them to better take care of themselves or others. Their whole world revolves around God doing it all, and they'd actually consider it some form of sin or heresy to believe that they had a hand in doing *anything*. Not exactly my cuppa tea, but they get off on it, so it's none of my business how they choose to live. For them religion has utility because it continually reinforces the not responsible approach they take to living. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. I think the keyword there is unfair. Some people need or would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. It occurs to me that the ability to test this hypothesis exists -- feral children. At least 100 children have been documented who were brought up completely cut off from human contact, raised either by animals or on their own in the wild or as the result of abuse and being locked in a room with no contact with any living human being. I did a couple of Google searches to see if I could find any instance of one of these feral kids developing a sense of God or some kind of deity on their own, and found nothing. But it would be interesting if such a study or research existed. If the theory that God is hard-wired into our brains is true, one would think that such feral kids would develop a sense of God. But my short reading of feral children stories does not suggest that any such thing ever happened.
[FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial
FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a church member) that is part of being human for many but not all people. There just is a need or tendency to believe in something beyond the obvious and in something that orders our seemingly unfair and cutthroat world. I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. What the brain is mostly concerned with, it turns out, is survival and reproduction~~unsurprisingly. And it's not the finer aspects of our nervous system or metabolism (whatever that is) that's concerned with garbage like religion and spirituality, it's the stupider aspects. And that includes all of it~~religion, spirituality, ~~or any other crap that doesn't contribute directly to our well-being. It is hard for determine just what in life makes people turn to things that are not practical. And as far as people needing explanations for why life is so often unfair, maybe I have more faith in people than you or some others, because I'm pretty sure most people can see pretty clearly why it's unfair: some people have a lot fewer qualms than most about taking advantage of the system and screwing over everyone else. And that goes for any time or place. You'd have to believe in a pretty mean-spirited God to think that he/she/it is going to ever get around to dispensing any kind of justice whatsoever, in this world or whatever may come next. Unfair goes beyond people taking advantage. It's death, accidents, sickness. Thinking life is all one big random free for all without any bigger purpose is realisitic, but I find it difficult to find pleasure in that idea. More than that, honestly, it frightens me a bit. Altho I entertain the idea. I doubt religion has ever provided even much real comfort, which is why so often people have to be forced into it. I think religion has comforted loads of grieving people who believe. Even if it is a lie. At the same time, it and all the other isms have also, of course, killed millions and millions and created misery for so many with their rules and guilt. In the end, I think religion is not good. And simple spiritual belief is less likely to harm others. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. It occurs to me that the ability to test this hypothesis exists -- feral children. At least 100 children have been documented who were brought up completely cut off from human contact, raised either by animals or on their own in the wild or as the result of abuse and being locked in a room with no contact with any living human being. I did a couple of Google searches to see if I could find any instance of one of these feral kids developing a sense of God or some kind of deity on their own, and found nothing. But it would be interesting if such a study or research existed. If the theory that God is hard-wired into our brains is true, one would think that such feral kids would develop a sense of God. But my short reading of feral children stories does not suggest that any such thing ever happened. Fascinating research paper topic if there is enough info on the kids. The twins study I mentioned was from a New York Times summary article of about 15 or 20 years ago - so there ought to be some new info out . I'll check online later today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will
emptybill: According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana... Did the historical Buddha teach that people have a transmigrating soul-monad? In fact, the Buddha Shakya said nothing about people being reincarnated into other bodies. And, did the Buddha hold the eternalist position? No, of course the historical Buddha did not hold the eternalist view. So, I wonder where HHDL got the idea that there was a eternal transmigrating bindu? If there is no soul to migrate, then what exactly is it that would do the migrating? In fact, the whole idea of reincarnation is foreign to original Buddhism as taught by Shakya the Muni. There is no constituent that has it's own being; things don't really move about, and change is just an appearance only, according to Buddha.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:31 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka Yep Harry died at the dome. Why do we mourn departed friends? Harry was one of those people you meet in life that was different. Harry in life was great heart-ed fun with a great mind and clear established intellect, and a bright light kind of guy all along. It's who he was here. In the old tapes with Maharishi discoursing, Harry was one of those people who when he got up to the question microphone could lead Maharishi through wonderful dialogues in series. Like Rick Archer was able to also. They were kind of a class of life-long meditator. Some of the more memorable dialogues on tape of the old days were with either of these guys at the mics with Maharishi. Seems there's a race against time as an old guard who knew Maharishi leave one by one. Harry was of a time. With fond regard R.I.P., -Buck in FF The classic Harry-at-the-mic moment was when Maharishi started talking about Agni, and how the creation manifests as A proceeds to Ga, etc. Harry got up and said, Oh come on Maharishi, do you mean to tell me that the whole universe comes out of a word?
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere?
[FairfieldLife] Article I wrote about a hike I took in New Mexico
http://www.bidontravel.com/blog/travel/sandia-trail/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: On Behalf Of wayback71 Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love. If only he weren't starting to look so much like the crazy preacher from Poltergeist. Not a good look for a P.R. guy. :-) [[preacher.bmp]]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article I wrote about a hike I took in New Mexico
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.bidontravel.com/blog/travel/sandia-trail/ Great article, Rick. And equally great photos. Made me downright homesick for New Mexico.
[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will
emptybill: It's true Willy you have no free will. We are either free or we are bound. If free, then why did the Buddha spend five years striving to be free? If we are bound, by what means can we free ourselves? You're just so right ... you are just the effect of past causes. Whatever happens just happens there is no owner. No events just happen - everything happens for a reason, due to cause and effect. There is nothing that makes you what you are. We are the result of karma, actions, which in every single case is due to Causation - there are no chance events. What we experience is order, not chaos. Due to ignorance some events just seem to happen - fate - but intelligence tells us that everything is subject to cause and effect - natural law. Dzogchen Samantabhadra Buddha (not the Mahayana bodhisattva) in only taught in Dzogchen. He is the stand-in for rigpa or originary knowingness. He has free will to determine his manifestations. In fact, Samantabhadra is a fiction, made up by Vajrayana practitioners to symbolize unity, as in the Tibetan yab-yum iconography. He is described as trans-cosmic and is the Dzogehen symbol for the natural freedom that is inherent in individual human awareness. Maybe so. Except for you Willy. You're an automaton. Just because you believe in Bonpo practices doesn't prove that Willy has any free will. So, is the 'Samantabhadra' Buddha absolute, or just a figment of Mahayana imagination? It's either 'rongtong' or 'shintong' says Bill, but in fact the historical Buddha said nothing about any celestial Buddha's having any 'free will'. Shakya the Muni taught Causation - everything happens for a reason - there are no chance events. All events are caused, none are the result of an absolute factor called 'will'. If people had the power of the 'will' they could cause change at will, but we know from our own experience that people cannot change base metals into gold, no matter how hard they try, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. Well, actually she got convicted by the strategy of her advisers from the cult of Clyde Clevland's anti-government haters. She is kind of simple and falling under their sway, she did not defend herself in court when given the chance. Instead she filed all these stupid motions attacking the court process itself provided by these sovereignty nuts in her corner. http://www.republicofiowa.org/plan.html She cast off her chance as a free citizen, the nuts got a martyr and she is going to get time. Because of the high dollar amount supposedly involved it is a serious prison time felony conviction. She could have easily got off that the evidence was so bad, but under sway of the nuts she shunned her lawyer, opted to not testify or give any evidence. The judge in due process was very careful that there was process there for her, the jury did what it did based on what it heard. She effectively convicted herself. It's very tragic and unfortunate. -FFL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
turquoiseb: My experience on this planet is that those who profess a belief in determinism and a lack of belief in free will is that compassion and spending time helping others are...uh...not actly the qualities that these people believe live... There are innumerable proofs that events happen for a reason. We all experience gravity just about the same way. We all have eyes that see almost the same things happening. So, everyday we see events that can be determined - things always fall down, not up. But, can you cite a single example of anyone anywhere causing change at will?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
Sal Sunshine: I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way... There once was a teacher who, always looking up at the clouds, fell into a ditch, and hurt himself really bad. You can test this by climbing to a very high mountain and jumping off - if you don't believe you'll fall on the rocks, do it. So, knowing about cause and effect could be really helpful.
[FairfieldLife] Richard Thompson, OBE
Richard Thompson, guitarist extraordinaire and Sufi troubadour is to be made an Officer of the Order of the British Empire: Richard Thompson, OBE Folk Musician and Songwriter For services to Music Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has named Richard Thompson to the 2011 Honours List as an Officer of the Order of the British Empire. The honour will be bestowed during an Investiture ceremony at St. James's Palace at a future date, yet to be announced. The OBE was instituted by King George V in 1917, as recognition of those who have made significant non-military contributions to the British Empire. Britain's honours are bestowed twice a year by the Monarch at New Year's and on Her Majesty's official birthday in June but recipients are selected by committees of civil servants from nominations made by the government and the public. (Solo tour this summer)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka
--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 11:47 AM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:31 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka Yep Harry died at the dome. Why do we mourn departed friends? Harry was one of those people you meet in life that was different. Harry in life was great heart-ed fun with a great mind and clear established intellect, and a bright light kind of guy all along. It's who he was here. In the old tapes with Maharishi discoursing, Harry was one of those people who when he got up to the question microphone could lead Maharishi through wonderful dialogues in series. Like Rick Archer was able to also. They were kind of a class of life-long meditator. Some of the more memorable dialogues on tape of the old days were with either of these guys at the mics with Maharishi. Seems there's a race against time as an old guard who knew Maharishi leave one by one. Harry was of a time. With fond regard R.I.P., -Buck in FFThe classic Harry-at-the-mic moment was when Maharishi started talking about Agni, and how the creation manifests as A proceeds to Ga, etc. Harry got up and said, “Oh come on Maharishi, do you mean to tell me that the whole universe comes out of a word?” Classic Harry! Harry wasn't in left field, he was in some other universe half the time!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
Something is wrong with this survey. When people say that they have no religious affiliation, it does not mean they have no religion. They may have some religious belief, but they're just not affiliated with any of the churches in their country. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without fighting over, but one can hope. :-) It's a study based on data from nine countries, collected over decades (some of it dating back 100 years) about religious affiliation. Running the numbers shows a steady increase in the number of people declaring themselves as having no religious affiliation, which will come as no surprise to many. What is surprising is the *rate* at which this is increasing, and the explanation that the study authors have for why it is happening. The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was. I love this because it's exactly what I was trying to get at a few days ago when asking believers in the non-existence of free will to give me a pragmatic reason WHY they believe this. What, I asked (although possibly in different words), would be the benefit or utility of believing in this theory? Revealingly, as far as I could tell, not a single non-free-willer proposed a single reason. My contention is that they can't think of one, and that the reason is that believing that free will does not exist has no relative utility. I currently live in a country that has the second-highest population declaring no religious affiliation, and I completely understand why. The Dutch are probably the most pragmatic people I've ever met. They would instantly get the term relative utility. They adopt lifestyles and practices because they have some utility; they provide some kind of pragmatic, real-world payoff. They reject practices that have no utility. 40% of them feel that religion has no relative utility. Therefore why bother with it? Anyway, here's the article, with passages and phrases I thought were cool highlighted. Study Claims Religion Could DisappearA new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, *largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was*. The study was authored by Daniel Abrams and Haley Yale of Northwestern University's engineering and applied mathematics department and Richard Wiener, a physics professor at the University of Arizona http://www.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/472/arizona/ . Looking at census data in nine different countries, the study applies a mathematical model of the dynamics between groups. The model appears to show religion eventually disappearing from those countries. The team chose Australia http://www.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/389/australia/ , Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the Netherlands because those countries gathered census information on religious affiliations, some of it dating back more than 100 years. (In the U.S., such data is spottier). The survey data showed more people in those nations were saying they had no religious affiliation at all. The largest figure was 60 percent for the Czech Republic and 40 percent for the Netherlands. *One thing that caught the researchers' attention was the speed of change*. For example, surveys taken in the Schwyz Canton in Switzerland, about 20 miles southeast of Zurich, show about 5.5 percent of respondents saying they were unaffiliated in a survey taken a decade ago. In 1950 the number was near zero. It seems to have nearly doubled every time a survey was taken since then. The model uses a concept called relative utility. It's a measure of how useful it is to be a member of some religious group. A relative utility score of 0.5 means it is just as useful to be religious as not to be, and people will simply join the larger group (other things being equal). A relative utility of zero would mean that it is a near-absolute advantage to be a member of a religious group (this might apply in a country where apostasy is punishable by law). Abrams said he assumed the relative utility remained constant, at least over the last century, and when he ran the data through the model he found a surprising result: the realtive utility score was greater than 0.5 over that period. The across-the-board increase in the numbers of non-religious might be for several reasons. One, the researchers say, is that bigger groups have an easier time attracting new members (this dynamic also applies to social networking Web sites). As unaffiliated groups get larger more
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. Well, actually she got convicted by the strategy of her advisers from the cult of Clyde Clevland's anti-government haters. She is kind of simple and in falling under their sway, she did not defend herself in court when given the chance. Instead she filed all these stupid motions attacking the court process itself provided by these sovereignty nuts in her corner. http://www.republicofiowa.org/plan.html She cast off her chance as a free citizen, the nuts got a martyr and she is going to get time. Because of the high dollar amount supposedly involved it is a serious prison time felony conviction. She could have easily got off that the evidence was so bad, but under sway of the nuts she shunned her lawyer, opted to not testify or give any evidence. The judge in due process was very careful that there was process there for her, the jury did what it did based on what it heard. She effectively convicted herself. It's very tragic and unfortunate. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole? No, I don't have time right now. It is WAY too much of a Fairfield story to do justice to quickly. It's a great story though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
I think it had something to do with unauthorized removal of a tenant's property that was being stored. From what I heard, and I can't remember all the details, it seemed that Vera did not think of it as stealing at the time but the tenant did. I'm sure Doug has more details than this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I think it had something to do with unauthorized removal of a tenant's property that was being stored. From what I heard, and I can't remember all the details, it seemed that Vera did not think of it as stealing at the time but the tenant did. I'm sure Doug has more details than this. I sure hope so. It's front-lines reporting like this that shows us who live in lesser places what life will be like in the coming age of Sat Yuga. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole?
[FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me DID so reply
Rick I enjoy reading learning from all U do here. Yes I find Ur remarks to be so . VERY difficult to read for me. I have tried with mush strain did succeed to read most comprehend the rest that was NOT readable. Ur correction to this will help me others enjoy more easily more fully Ur content etc. Hope this helps U then others enjoy more fully. Bill Leed in Buffalo NY 716-688-7686. I connect to the net with AOL Thanks for being my friend far more Rick In a message dated 3/25/2011 2:28:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r...@searchsummit.com writes: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of _http://batgap.com_ (http://batgap.com/) doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you ’re seeing that problem. Also what browser you’re using. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. On Firefox 3.6.15, only the top box has a white background. The rest of the text is gray against a grayish background, rendering it unreadable. A page refresh does not correct it. Sounds to me as if, on a scale of 1 to 5, 5-star- rating may not deserve a 2. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Conservatism is Destroying America
Empirical Evidence That Proves Conservatism is Destroying America http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/23/959315/-Empirical-Evidence-Tha\ t-Proves-Conservatism-is-Destroying-America by joelgp http://www.dailykos.com/user/joelgp The empirical evidence below shows just how deeply republican states have damaged this great country. Check it out and let me know what you think: Conservatism is bad for middle-class income 10 poorest states with the lowest median household income State Income Montana $40,627 Tennessee $40,315 Kentucky $39,372 Louisiana $39,337 Alabama $38,783 Oklahoma $38,770 Arkansas $36,599 West Virginia $35,059 Mississippi $34,473 Source: U.S. Census Bureau http://finance.yahoo.com/... http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/103432/The-Richest-%28and-\ Poorest%29-Places-in-the-U.S.?mod=oneclick \ - Conservatism is bad for your health: States with worst health-care systems: 39 Texas 40 Arkansas 41 Kentucky 42 West Virginia 43 Georgia 44 Tennessee 45 Nevada 46 South Carolina 47 Louisiana 48 Alabama 49 Oklahoma 50 Mississippi http://www.forbes.com/... http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/16/unhealthy-healthy-states-lifestyle-hea\ lth-states-top_chart.html?partner=yahoohealth Republicans don't care about improving the lives of average Americans. \ -- Conservatism is bad for your marriages. States with the highest divorce rates: 1. Nevada 2. Arkansas 3. Wyoming 4. Idaho 5. West Virgina 6. Kentucky 7. Oklahoma 8. Alaska 9. Florida 10. Maine http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/state-divorce-rates_n_775688.h\ tml#s167803title=Florida \ -- Conservatism is bad for teenage pregnancy rates: States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand): 1. Mississippi (71) 2. Texas (69) 3. Arizona (67) 4. Arkansas (66) 5. New Mexico (66) 6. Georgia (63) 7. Louisiana (62) 8. Nevada (61) 9. Alabama (61) 10. Oklahoma (60 http://womensissues.about.com/... http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/TeenPregStates.htm \ --- Conservatism is bad for education States with the fewest college graduates: 1. Arkansas 2. West Virginia 3. Nevada 4. New Mexico 5. Oklahoma 6. Alaska 7. Arizona 8. Texas 9. Tennessee 10. Mississippi http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/states-with-the-fewest-co_n_60\ 8758.html#s99233title=Arkansas_259 \ Conservative presidents are bad for balancing the budget: Dwight Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget. He had a balanced budget in 1956 and 1957. Since then, there have been two presidents to preside over balanced budgets, LBJ in 1969 and Clinton in 1998 through 2001. During the last 40 years there have been five budget surpluses, all five were under Democratic Presidents: 1969, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001. http://wiki.answers.com/... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_republican_president_balanced_a_budget#\ ixzz1HRBkNpr7 \ Conservatism is bad for news information: TV outlet with the most ignorant viewers. Study: Fox News Viewers Most Misinformed Of All News Consumers Researchers at the University of Maryland have released a study of news viewers entitled, Misinformation and the 2010 Election (.pdf) and found news viewers often get the wrong idea on major stories, andaccording to the studyFox News viewers are the most misinformed of them all. http://www.mediaite.com/... http://www.mediaite.com/tv/study-fox-news-viewers-most-misinformed-of-a\ ll-news-consumers/ \ -- Progressives, it's crucial that we fight back hard over the next two years to keep these teacon nuts from totally destroying the middle-class. In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. H. L. Mencken
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me DID so reply
From: wle...@aol.com Reply-to: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/25/2011 2:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me DID so reply Rick I enjoy reading learning from all U do here. Yes I find Ur remarks to be so . VERY difficult to read for me. I have tried with mush strain did succeed to read most comprehend the rest that was NOT readable. Ur correction to this will help me others enjoy more easily more fully Ur content etc. Hope this helps U then others enjoy more fully. Bill Leed in Buffalo NY 716-688-7686. I connect to the net with AOL Thanks for being my friend far more Rick In a message dated 3/25/2011 2:28:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r...@searchsummit.com writes: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of _http://batgap.com_ (http://batgap.com/) doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you ’re seeing that problem. Also what browser you’re using. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: A Controversial Idea
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
On 03/25/2011 11:28 AM, Rick Archer wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. Just change the text color to something like light grey or light blue (for a celestial look). I'm using Firefox 3.6 Also test on much slower machines. This is 2.4 Ghz machine running Ubuntu and even with 6 mbps DSL the site loads slowly because you have it overloaded with Flash stuff and links from other servers which make it slow to load. So many web designers are in love with this stuff and probably running on a 4 core 64-bit machine and forget that not everyone has those (incidentally I'm in the process of building a new Ubuntu machine which will be like that). You're in the web business so you should already know all of this. Chrome 11 loaded better but looks the same as Firefox. Google engineers are obviously aware of web designers overloading their pages and appear to be drawing the screen on a thread so you can start looking at the page and even scrolling it as it loads. Have you gotten into mobile web sites? What I'm noticing is some designers are creating a mobile site and then detecting whether the browsers is mobile or not and using the appropriate CSS. I'm going to redo some sites that way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. On Firefox 3.6.15, only the top box has a white background. The rest of the text is gray against a grayish background, rendering it unreadable. A page refresh does not correct it. Same for me in the latest versions of Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
Not aware of any Flash stuff on the page. The links from other servers would be the embedded YouTube videos, right? Kind of need those. Maybe the rating thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me On 03/25/2011 11:28 AM, Rick Archer wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. Just change the text color to something like light grey or light blue (for a celestial look). I'm using Firefox 3.6 Also test on much slower machines. This is 2.4 Ghz machine running Ubuntu and even with 6 mbps DSL the site loads slowly because you have it overloaded with Flash stuff and links from other servers which make it slow to load. So many web designers are in love with this stuff and probably running on a 4 core 64-bit machine and forget that not everyone has those (incidentally I'm in the process of building a new Ubuntu machine which will be like that). You're in the web business so you should already know all of this. Chrome 11 loaded better but looks the same as Firefox. Google engineers are obviously aware of web designers overloading their pages and appear to be drawing the screen on a thread so you can start looking at the page and even scrolling it as it loads. Have you gotten into mobile web sites? What I'm noticing is some designers are creating a mobile site and then detecting whether the browsers is mobile or not and using the appropriate CSS. I'm going to redo some sites that way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
Rick Archer: If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. Go back to the drawing board and simplify. One page per interview. No background and no links - just the movie. You are trying too hard to include everything on one single page. You will probably have to go dynamic with PHP, SQL, Cold Fusion, or ASP.NET running on IIS.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WillyTex Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me Rick Archer: If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. Go back to the drawing board and simplify. One page per interview. No background and no links - just the movie. You are trying too hard to include everything on one single page. You will probably have to go dynamic with PHP, SQL, Cold Fusion, or ASP.NET running on IIS. It's a WordPress blog, which has many advantages. By default, those contain the 10 most recent posts (interviews in this case) on the home page, then a permanent page for each post. The number 10 can be altered, but it's good to have more than one. There are now 6 pages each with 10 on them (60 interviews). If I reduced the number to 5, there would be 12 such pages. If I reduced the number to 1, there would be 60, plus 60 individual interview pages. That defeats the purpose of the way WordPress and most blogs are designed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. In replies, according to reports i heard today: ..she also chose not to defend herself or use court appointed counsel. ..This makes me sad. It was like watching a train heading for a wreck long in advance, completely unable to do anything that would change it. Sorry to report; Vera lost her case. She was convicted of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. Well, actually she got convicted by the strategy of her advisers from the cult of Clyde Clevland's anti-government haters. She is kind of simple and in falling under their sway, she did not defend herself in court when given the chance. Instead she filed all these stupid motions attacking the court process itself provided by these sovereignty nuts in her corner. http://www.republicofiowa.org/plan.html She cast off her chance as a free citizen, the nuts got a martyr and she is going to get time. Because of the high dollar amount supposedly involved it is a serious prison time felony conviction. She could have easily got off that the evidence was so bad, but under sway of the nuts she shunned her lawyer, opted to not testify or give any evidence. The judge in due process was very careful that there was process there for her, the jury did what it did based on what it heard. She effectively convicted herself. It's very tragic and unfortunate. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole? No, I don't have time right now. It is WAY too much of a Fairfield story to do justice to quickly. It's a great story though.
[FairfieldLife] 'Ode to Harry Pavelka (Everyman)
Harry was Everyman, Always around, Very Humble man, he was.. Peircing eyes, that would look deep into your soul.. Maybe Harry was in Unity... Harry was alway s there... You can feel his presence... Always there, like he always was... Peaceful Harry, Could be Everyman, or even 'The Fool on the Hill? RIP Harry Pavelka
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. In replies, according to reports i heard today: ..she also chose not to defend herself or use court appointed counsel. ..This makes me sad. It was like watching a train heading for a wreck long in advance, completely unable to do anything that would change it. Sorry to report; Vera lost her case. She was convicted of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. At the end, she was asked three times by the judge if she would want to be out until sentencing. Yet under sway of the sovereignty thinking she declined and she was put in cuffs right then and led off to jail. Outside the court house the sovereignty people were high-five-ing and taking pictures of each other on their cell phones as though they had achieved something with Vera in a squad car going off to jail. -FFL Well, actually she got convicted by the strategy of her advisers from the cult of Clyde Clevland's anti-government haters. She is kind of simple and in falling under their sway, she did not defend herself in court when given the chance. Instead she filed all these stupid motions attacking the court process itself provided by these sovereignty nuts in her corner. http://www.republicofiowa.org/plan.html She cast off her chance as a free citizen, the nuts got a martyr and she is going to get time. Because of the high dollar amount supposedly involved it is a serious prison time felony conviction. She could have easily got off that the evidence was so bad, but under sway of the nuts she shunned her lawyer, opted to not testify or give any evidence. The judge in due process was very careful that there was process there for her, the jury did what it did based on what it heard. She effectively convicted herself. It's very tragic and unfortunate. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole? No, I don't have time right now. It is WAY too much of a Fairfield story to do justice to quickly. It's a great story though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Fairfield Trash Trial FW; Vera (Rhodes) lost her case. She was convicted (trial by jury) of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. In replies, according to reports i heard today: ..she also chose not to defend herself or use court appointed counsel. ..This makes me sad. It was like watching a train heading for a wreck long in advance, completely unable to do anything that would change it. It's like she got sand-bagged by the tea-baggers. Sorry to report; Vera lost her case. She was convicted of theft of a value of more than $10,000. She is currently in the county jail. At the end, she was asked three times by the judge if she would want to be out until sentencing. Yet under sway of the sovereignty thinking she declined and she was put in cuffs right then and led off to jail. Outside the court house the sovereignty people were high-five-ing and taking pictures of each other on their cell phones as though they had achieved something with Vera in a squad car going off to jail. -FFL Well, actually she got convicted by the strategy of her advisers from the cult of Clyde Clevland's anti-government haters. She is kind of simple and in falling under their sway, she did not defend herself in court when given the chance. Instead she filed all these stupid motions attacking the court process itself provided by these sovereignty nuts in her corner. http://www.republicofiowa.org/plan.html She cast off her chance as a free citizen, the nuts got a martyr and she is going to get time. Because of the high dollar amount supposedly involved it is a serious prison time felony conviction. She could have easily got off that the evidence was so bad, but under sway of the nuts she shunned her lawyer, opted to not testify or give any evidence. The judge in due process was very careful that there was process there for her, the jury did what it did based on what it heard. She effectively convicted herself. It's very tragic and unfortunate. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial To my eye the detail of the case are not as interesting as the trial itself. So you're not going to tell us what she supposedly stole? No, I don't have time right now. It is WAY too much of a Fairfield story to do justice to quickly. It's a great story though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
Those videos are flash objects. I think your even MP3 player is also a flash object. Each object has to go to YouTube to get the thumbnails. Look at MSNBC which is a very slow loading site (bad ad for Microsoft) because they have so many ads on it. Each one of those has to hit an ad server somewhere. If one is down the page has to wait to load for the timeout. Maybe Google runs each ad as a thread so the timeout won't matter. You probably need to run some analytics on what resources each element is using to load. Probably anyone with a 2 core machine or better may not notice too much because the browser will run on a thread on a different core from the OS. I'll see how it loads on my Windows 7 64-bit 4 core. But right now to make your page more readable just change the font color for the text (if you can). As for the videos some sites just put a description up and it links to a page with the video and maybe an article. A couple YouTube videos won't usually be a problem but a crop of them will slow page loading down. Imagine how slow FFL threads would load on the web page if folks were able to embed videos which is why Yahoo doesn't allow it. On 03/25/2011 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Not aware of any Flash stuff on the page. The links from other servers would be the embedded YouTube videos, right? Kind of need those. Maybe the rating thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me On 03/25/2011 11:28 AM, Rick Archer wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.com doesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. Just change the text color to something like light grey or light blue (for a celestial look). I'm using Firefox 3.6 Also test on much slower machines. This is 2.4 Ghz machine running Ubuntu and even with 6 mbps DSL the site loads slowly because you have it overloaded with Flash stuff and links from other servers which make it slow to load. So many web designers are in love with this stuff and probably running on a 4 core 64-bit machine and forget that not everyone has those (incidentally I'm in the process of building a new Ubuntu machine which will be like that). You're in the web business so you should already know all of this. Chrome 11 loaded better but looks the same as Firefox. Google engineers are obviously aware of web designers overloading their pages and appear to be drawing the screen on a thread so you can start looking at the page and even scrolling it as it loads. Have you gotten into mobile web sites? What I'm noticing is some designers are creating a mobile site and then detecting whether the browsers is mobile or not and using the appropriate CSS. I'm going to redo some sites that way.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me Those videos are flash objects. I think your even MP3 player is also a flash object. Each object has to go to YouTube to get the thumbnails. Look at MSNBC which is a very slow loading site (bad ad for Microsoft) because they have so many ads on it. Each one of those has to hit an ad server somewhere. If one is down the page has to wait to load for the timeout. Maybe Google runs each ad as a thread so the timeout won't matter. You probably need to run some analytics on what resources each element is using to load. Probably anyone with a 2 core machine or better may not notice too much because the browser will run on a thread on a different core from the OS. I'll see how it loads on my Windows 7 64-bit 4 core. But right now to make your page more readable just change the font color for the text (if you can). As for the videos some sites just put a description up and it links to a page with the video and maybe an article. A couple YouTube videos won't usually be a problem but a crop of them will slow page loading down. Imagine how slow FFL threads would load on the web page if folks were able to embed videos which is why Yahoo doesn't allow it. On 03/25/2011 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Not aware of any Flash stuff on the page. The links from other servers would be the embedded YouTube videos, right? Kind of need those. Maybe the rating thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. I was hosting videos on my own site but not everyone could play them. As I recall, Mac users were having problems. It was also a lot of work to prepare those videos. Once YouTube granted me permission to upload videos of any length, embedding them became a much simpler and more universal option. I just replaced the rating system with a different one, and so far, the page seems to be loading OK.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
On 03/25/2011 01:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me Those videos are flash objects. I think your even MP3 player is also a flash object. Each object has to go to YouTube to get the thumbnails. Look at MSNBC which is a very slow loading site (bad ad for Microsoft) because they have so many ads on it. Each one of those has to hit an ad server somewhere. If one is down the page has to wait to load for the timeout. Maybe Google runs each ad as a thread so the timeout won't matter. You probably need to run some analytics on what resources each element is using to load. Probably anyone with a 2 core machine or better may not notice too much because the browser will run on a thread on a different core from the OS. I'll see how it loads on my Windows 7 64-bit 4 core. But right now to make your page more readable just change the font color for the text (if you can). As for the videos some sites just put a description up and it links to a page with the video and maybe an article. A couple YouTube videos won't usually be a problem but a crop of them will slow page loading down. Imagine how slow FFL threads would load on the web page if folks were able to embed videos which is why Yahoo doesn't allow it. On 03/25/2011 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Not aware of any Flash stuff on the page. The links from other servers would be the embedded YouTube videos, right? Kind of need those. Maybe the rating thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. I was hosting videos on my own site but not everyone could play them. As I recall, Mac users were having problems. It was also a lot of work to prepare those videos. Once YouTube granted me permission to upload videos of any length, embedding them became a much simpler and more universal option. I just replaced the rating system with a different one, and so far, the page seems to be loading OK. I wouldn't change from YouTube though I had to laugh when I ran the Windows 7 machine some of the videos came up with server errors. Refresh brought them up. That was with Firefox 3.6 but then I downloaded and installed 4.0 which gives Chrome a run for it's money and loaded the page very fast. But that machine has 6 GB of ram and 4 cores which helps. Yup, the background for the text is now white and looks good.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: 'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. It occurs to me that the ability to test this hypothesis exists -- feral children. At least 100 children have been documented who were brought up completely cut off from human contact, raised either by animals or on their own in the wild or as the result of abuse and being locked in a room with no contact with any living human being. I did a couple of Google searches to see if I could find any instance of one of these feral kids developing a sense of God or some kind of deity on their own, and found nothing. But it would be interesting if such a study or research existed. Heaven only knows (pardon the expression) what kind of a God it would have to be who would allow children to be treated that way. If the theory that God is hard-wired into our brains is true, one would think that such feral kids would develop a sense of God. But my short reading of feral children stories does not suggest that any such thing ever happened. As mentioned, everything I've ever read suggests just the opposite~~that the brain has to be seriously coerced, almost tricked you might say, into any such belief. It's not too hard to see why~~beliefs like that would have had almost zero practicality for the world in which our brains have developed, the so-called real world. Which is one reason even now churches spend $$ up the wazoo to convince their followers that miracles are just around the corner, all their problems will be over if they just do this or that (usually in the form of some donation), or various other kinds of crap. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Children of Bodom!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bodom_murders http://www.musicradar.com/totalguitar/the-20-greatest-metal-guitarists-ever-385461/20 Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! This list is voted in by angst teens! Everyone can see that.. Come on Number 1 and 2 is COB and Slipknot? The latter is hardly even metal. And if the voters have ANY knowledge on guitar-playing, the Dave Mustaine would be on the number one spot, or at least in the top-3. A list without Mustaine, cannot be taken seriously. Also, James Hetfield is in there, and though he's a great rythm-player, he's nothing overall. So surely this is voted in by the mainstream kids out there. Shame on you boys and girls.. Know your metal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
If you don't mind my asking, how does my computer look in terms of what I might potentially upgrade to, without having to sell the farm? More details about my computer Component Details Subscore Base score Processor AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor 6.9 4.3 Determined by lowest subscore Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB 7.2 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8200 4.3 Gaming graphics 3839 MB Total available graphics memory 5.1 Primary hard disk 626GB Free (932GB Total) 5.9 Windows 7 Ultimate System _ Manufacturer To Be Filled By O.E.M. Model To Be Filled By O.E.M. Total amount of system memory 8.00 GB RAM System type 64-bit operating system Number of processor cores 4 Storage _ Total size of hard disk(s) 3260 GB Disk partition (C:) 626 GB Free (932 GB Total) Disk partition (D:) 799 GB Free (932 GB Total) Disk partition (F:) 601 GB Free (1397 GB Total) Graphics _ Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce 8200 Total available graphics memory 3839 MB Dedicated graphics memory 256 MB Dedicated system memory 64 MB Shared system memory 3519 MB Display adapter driver version 8.17.12.5896 Primary monitor resolution 1920x1200 DirectX version DirectX 10 Network _ Network Adapter Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller Notes _ The gaming graphics score is based on the primary graphics adapter. If this system has linked or multiple graphics adapters, some software applications may see additional performance benefits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a group called TM-EX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giYNR=1 Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we considered to be the most important issues was very different. Some of them believed that they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not. Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion of the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his statements which is undeserved in this case. Like most fulltime people Bob seems unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in the movement. I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have any corroborating details. It has many. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relative Utility - Study Says Religion Could Disappear
I think the reason people become alienated from religion is not because God doesn't exist, but that religion has forgotten how to provide the tools for our direct experience of God. Instead the leaders of the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims insist that they are the necessary intermediaries and interpreters of divine experience. Despite the costumes and crowns favored by the parent organization, this is why TM is not a religion - it provides a means for direct experience of the divine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: 'm not convinced at all there is any inherent need to believe in some kind of unseen order, way. Supposedly humans have to be seriously indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the brain on its own just doesn't want to go there, as it were. It occurs to me that the ability to test this hypothesis exists -- feral children. At least 100 children have been documented who were brought up completely cut off from human contact, raised either by animals or on their own in the wild or as the result of abuse and being locked in a room with no contact with any living human being. I did a couple of Google searches to see if I could find any instance of one of these feral kids developing a sense of God or some kind of deity on their own, and found nothing. But it would be interesting if such a study or research existed. Heaven only knows (pardon the expression) what kind of a God it would have to be who would allow children to be treated that way. If the theory that God is hard-wired into our brains is true, one would think that such feral kids would develop a sense of God. But my short reading of feral children stories does not suggest that any such thing ever happened. As mentioned, everything I've ever read suggests just the opposite~~that the brain has to be seriously coerced, almost tricked you might say, into any such belief. It's not too hard to see why~~beliefs like that would have had almost zero practicality for the world in which our brains have developed, the so-called real world. Which is one reason even now churches spend $$ up the wazoo to convince their followers that miracles are just around the corner, all their problems will be over if they just do this or that (usually in the form of some donation), or various other kinds of crap. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject of the very first article reprinted in the very first newsletter from that group. So although you didn't start the group, you are definitely the point man here: TM-EX NEWSLETTER TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION EX-MEMBERS SUPPORT GROUP FALL 1990 Washington D.C. GROUNDING THE GURU More than 800 followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi convened at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel late last month for a week long convention. The confab also attracted members of TM-EX, an informal anti-TM group composed of the guru's fallen that educates the public about TM and offers ``exit counseling'' to those who want out of the movement. Curtis Mailloux followed the guru for 15 years and was a 1979 graduate of the movement's Maharishi International University (MIU) in Fairfield, Iowa. Gaining access to the group's inner sanctum, he moved to the Washington area in 1983 and in 1985 became the head of D.C.'s TM Center. On June 29 at the Omni-Shoreham--Mailloux's 33rd birthday--he denounced the organization as a cultist religion that is exploitive, deceptive, and damaging. Mailloux says involvement in the movement becomes ``a prison of specialness''. ``Especially as a leader in the movement,'' he said, ``there's no way you can leave this group and be [regarded by other devotees] as OK or leave with dignity...I was only special as a nervous system which is a `generator of purity', not as an individual. Mailloux said he was ``an extremely contented member'' of the group until a few years ago when he read Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan. ``It hit me from left field that something was wrong with the movement,'' he recalled. Mailloux's doubts about the ethics of teaching TM were heightened when he studied hypnosis and saw the similarities between it and TM. ``[TM techniques] are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used,'' he said. ``I have friends that are 40 years old and totally trapped in this...they're becoming unable to work for a goal.'' Instead, they constantly beg distant well-wishers for support money to keep them in various organization environments like MIU. In a phone interview, MIU legal counsel [Bill Goldstein] said the organization uses its money to spread its programs among the needy, and recently sent teams of teachers to earthquake-shattered Armenia. Said Goldstein, ``We [didn't] provide them with clothes or food, but we taught them TM,'' which his organization considers ``a specific form of earthquake relief.'' City Paper [Washington, D.C.], July 13, 1990, Susan Gervasi.~ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a group called TM-EX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giYNR=1 Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we considered to be the most important issues was very different. Some of them believed that they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not. Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion of the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his statements which is undeserved in this case. Like most fulltime people Bob seems unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in the movement. I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have any corroborating details. It has many. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
This is what you have already or what you want? Looks like an upgrade. Again it depends on what the machine is going to be doing. Playing games? My 64-bit machine was purchased to do some development, 3D animation and video editing. It is a media machine that Acer makes and cost me only $550 with a monitor so didn't break the bank at all. I figure building the Linux box to be $300-350 and may have a similar configuration though core speeds may be faster. After blowing lots of money have the most super computer available back in the 90s and not really needing it I am more frugal these days. Ubuntu 10.04 is fatter and needs more CPU and Android development eats CPU and memory. I like doing the latter on Linux because I can whip up utilities better and faster than on Windows plus not worry about viruses. Plus that is the platform they mainly use at Google. On 03/25/2011 02:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: If you don't mind my asking, how does my computer look in terms of what I might potentially upgrade to, without having to sell the farm? More details about my computer Component Details Subscore Base score Processor AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor 6.9 4.3 Determined by lowest subscore Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB 7.2 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8200 4.3 Gaming graphics 3839 MB Total available graphics memory 5.1 Primary hard disk 626GB Free (932GB Total) 5.9 Windows 7 Ultimate System _ Manufacturer To Be Filled By O.E.M. Model To Be Filled By O.E.M. Total amount of system memory 8.00 GB RAM System type 64-bit operating system Number of processor cores 4 Storage _ Total size of hard disk(s) 3260 GB Disk partition (C:) 626 GB Free (932 GB Total) Disk partition (D:) 799 GB Free (932 GB Total) Disk partition (F:) 601 GB Free (1397 GB Total) Graphics _ Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce 8200 Total available graphics memory 3839 MB Dedicated graphics memory 256 MB Dedicated system memory 64 MB Shared system memory 3519 MB Display adapter driver version 8.17.12.5896 Primary monitor resolution 1920x1200 DirectX version DirectX 10 Network _ Network Adapter Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller Notes _ The gaming graphics score is based on the primary graphics adapter. If this system has linked or multiple graphics adapters, some software applications may see additional performance benefits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably most important only to me. Still it is weird to hear you name on Youtube so I wanted to respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject of the very first article reprinted in the very first newsletter from that group. So although you didn't start the group, you are definitely the point man here: TM-EX NEWSLETTER TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION EX-MEMBERS SUPPORT GROUP FALL 1990 Washington D.C. GROUNDING THE GURU More than 800 followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi convened at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel late last month for a week long convention. The confab also attracted members of TM-EX, an informal anti-TM group composed of the guru's fallen that educates the public about TM and offers ``exit counseling'' to those who want out of the movement. Curtis Mailloux followed the guru for 15 years and was a 1979 graduate of the movement's Maharishi International University (MIU) in Fairfield, Iowa. Gaining access to the group's inner sanctum, he moved to the Washington area in 1983 and in 1985 became the head of D.C.'s TM Center. On June 29 at the Omni-Shoreham--Mailloux's 33rd birthday--he denounced the organization as a cultist religion that is exploitive, deceptive, and damaging. Mailloux says involvement in the movement becomes ``a prison of specialness''. ``Especially as a leader in the movement,'' he said, ``there's no way you can leave this group and be [regarded by other devotees] as OK or leave with dignity...I was only special as a nervous system which is a `generator of purity', not as an individual. Mailloux said he was ``an extremely contented member'' of the group until a few years ago when he read Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan. ``It hit me from left field that something was wrong with the movement,'' he recalled. Mailloux's doubts about the ethics of teaching TM were heightened when he studied hypnosis and saw the similarities between it and TM. ``[TM techniques] are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used,'' he said. ``I have friends that are 40 years old and totally trapped in this...they're becoming unable to work for a goal.'' Instead, they constantly beg distant well-wishers for support money to keep them in various organization environments like MIU. In a phone interview, MIU legal counsel [Bill Goldstein] said the organization uses its money to spread its programs among the needy, and recently sent teams of teachers to earthquake-shattered Armenia. Said Goldstein, ``We [didn't] provide them with clothes or food, but we taught them TM,'' which his organization considers ``a specific form of earthquake relief.'' City Paper [Washington, D.C.], July 13, 1990, Susan Gervasi.~ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a group called TM-EX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giYNR=1 Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably most important only to me. Still it is weird to hear you name on Youtube so I wanted to respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject of the very first article reprinted in the very first newsletter from that group. So although you didn't start the group, you are definitely the point man here: TM-EX NEWSLETTER TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION EX-MEMBERS SUPPORT GROUP FALL 1990 Washington D.C. GROUNDING THE GURU More than 800 followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi convened at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel late last month for a week long convention. The confab also attracted members of TM-EX, an informal anti-TM group composed of the guru's fallen that educates the public about TM and offers ``exit counseling'' to those who want out of the movement. Curtis Mailloux followed the guru for 15 years and was a 1979 graduate of the movement's Maharishi International University (MIU) in Fairfield, Iowa. Gaining access to the group's inner sanctum, he moved to the Washington area in 1983 and in 1985 became the head of D.C.'s TM Center. On June 29 at the Omni-Shoreham--Mailloux's 33rd birthday--he denounced the organization as a cultist religion that is exploitive, deceptive, and damaging. Mailloux says involvement in the movement becomes ``a prison of specialness''. ``Especially as a leader in the movement,'' he said, ``there's no way you can leave this group and be [regarded by other devotees] as OK or leave with dignity...I was only special as a nervous system which is a `generator of purity', not as an individual. Mailloux said he was ``an extremely contented member'' of the group until a few years ago when he read Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan. ``It hit me from left field that something was wrong with the movement,'' he recalled. Mailloux's doubts about the ethics of teaching TM were heightened when he studied hypnosis and saw the similarities between it and TM. ``[TM techniques] are the most sophisticated techniques for mind control that have ever been used,'' he said. ``I have friends that are 40 years old and totally trapped in this...they're becoming unable to work for a goal.'' Instead, they constantly beg distant well-wishers for support money to keep them in various organization environments like MIU. In a phone interview, MIU legal counsel [Bill Goldstein] said the organization uses its money to spread its programs among the needy, and recently sent teams of teachers to earthquake-shattered Armenia. Said Goldstein, ``We [didn't] provide them with clothes or food, but we taught them TM,'' which his organization considers ``a specific form of earthquake relief.'' City Paper [Washington, D.C.], July 13, 1990, Susan Gervasi.~ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a
[FairfieldLife] wet pants
Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers) in Amsterdam?
[FairfieldLife] Full Moon rising
http://www.neosurrealismart.com/3d-artist-gallery/01surrealism/wallpapers/48-ghost-ships-series1.htm -
[FairfieldLife] Automatons being manipulated by the Gunas
Subject: Automatons being manipulated by the Gunas http://neosurrealism.artdigitaldesign.com/modern-artists/?artworks/digital-art/heaven-helps-us.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Article I wrote about a hike I took in New Mexico
On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: http://www.bidontravel.com/blog/travel/sandia-trail/ Wow. The descending eminence revealed really comes across! Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
Buck: It's like she got sand-bagged by the tea-baggers... So, you're thinking Vera is gay?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please test something for me
On Mar 25, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: After installing a utility called 5-star-rating the other day, I noticed that often, the home page of http://batgap.comdoesn't load fully, so that the text isn't framed in a white text box, as it usually is. Instead, the background image shows through, making the text unreadable. Also the side menu doesn't show up, again because the page isn't loading fully. There are 10 posts on the home page, so 10 instances of 5-star-rating. The problem sometimes (but not always) corrects itself if I refresh the page. If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you’re seeing that problem. Also what browser you’re using. Thanks. It looks fine in Safari 5.0.4, the most recent -- this after all the earlier comment(s). I assume you've tweaked things. It's still a little white for me. While it might wake someone up, it might be too bright for too many. :-) Add some gray if this is the color scheme you're thinking of. After all, you're appealing to the asleep..
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't view it that way. It was an opportunity for me to tell my story and I welcomed it. But I also realized that me telling my story was going to piss a lot of people off who had been my friends in the movement. I didn't relish that. But by that time I realized that there was no way to be critical about the movement openly and break the omerta, and not have fallout. My main connection with the whole concept of TM EX was through Pat Ryan whom I greatly respect. He explained it to me that he was using the term as a focus for the press for an alternative POV to the movement press. Before TM EX actively solicited the press's attention the only people offering an alternative view of TM were fundamentalist Christian groups. Within that tent were a group of people who were suing the movement. I never felt any affinity with them. But I appreciated that Pat was sincere in his desire to have an alternative POV about TM out there. Once I was in City Paper more reporters called me. I never went after press or had an anti-TM campaign. For me talking with the press was an exercise in finding out what my beliefs were and how they had changed, much like FFL has served me. I also took some pleasure in feeding the press some questions that might break through the PR facade they were getting from the movement reps. Numerous reporters told me that they knew they weren't getting the whole story but couldn't penetrate the PR shield. Once they knew what to ask they got to see the other movement personality and it wasn't so blissful and self-assured. Thanks for the discussion. It is interesting to revisit the past this way. My POV has shifted quite a bit in emphasis through the years. One really obvious difference is that I had a fantastic meditation before my school show today. So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue! PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably most important only to me. Still it is weird to hear you name on Youtube so I wanted to respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject of the very first article reprinted in the very first newsletter from that group. So although you didn't start the group, you are definitely the point man here: TM-EX NEWSLETTER TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION EX-MEMBERS SUPPORT GROUP FALL 1990 Washington D.C. GROUNDING THE GURU More than 800 followers of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi convened at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel late last month for a week long convention. The confab also attracted members of TM-EX, an informal anti-TM group composed of the guru's fallen that educates the public about TM and offers ``exit counseling'' to those who want out of the movement. Curtis Mailloux followed the guru for 15 years and was a 1979 graduate of the movement's Maharishi International University (MIU) in Fairfield, Iowa. Gaining access to
[FairfieldLife] Re: wet pants
Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers) in Amsterdam? They probably do, but do they have tacos? http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Crowning-achievemen\ t-Ramirez-back-as-Miss-S-A-1293289.php 'Get off the tacos!' By Craig Kapitan San Antonio Express-News, March 25, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4hkqsm7 http://tinyurl.com/4hkqsm7
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
I got an immediate apologetic reply from Bob. Respect. This era of instant communication rocks!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Very nice indeed! Bob's always been a good guy. --- On Fri, 3/25/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 9:27 PM I got an immediate apologetic reply from Bob. Respect. This era of instant communication rocks! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. I certainly didn't start TM-EX - my only connection with it is that the TM-EX newsletters ended up on my minet.org website years later. TM-EX was Patrick Ryan's baby, as Curtis points out in a following message. TM-Free is a group blog, though I am lead contributor/coordinator of it these days. Lately, my writing there has been more news coverage (like the article Vaj reposted above) and commentary about current happenings and the ongoing silliness/outrageousness in and around the movement.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Good to hear from you Curtis. Would you like me to forward this to Bobby, or maybe something you modify for that purpose? Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a group called TM-EX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giYNR=1 NR=1 Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we considered to be the most important issues was very different. Some of them believed that they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not. Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion of the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his statements which is undeserved in this case. Like most fulltime people Bob seems unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in the movement. I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have any corroborating details. It has many. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Thanks for the correction. Also I enjoyed this - So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue!. I really like TM as another tool in the toolbox, especially since I have no beliefs around it anymore and am not trying to get anywhere as a result of doing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't view it that way. It was an opportunity for me to tell my story and I welcomed it. But I also realized that me telling my story was going to piss a lot of people off who had been my friends in the movement. I didn't relish that. But by that time I realized that there was no way to be critical about the movement openly and break the omerta, and not have fallout. My main connection with the whole concept of TM EX was through Pat Ryan whom I greatly respect. He explained it to me that he was using the term as a focus for the press for an alternative POV to the movement press. Before TM EX actively solicited the press's attention the only people offering an alternative view of TM were fundamentalist Christian groups. Within that tent were a group of people who were suing the movement. I never felt any affinity with them. But I appreciated that Pat was sincere in his desire to have an alternative POV about TM out there. Once I was in City Paper more reporters called me. I never went after press or had an anti-TM campaign. For me talking with the press was an exercise in finding out what my beliefs were and how they had changed, much like FFL has served me. I also took some pleasure in feeding the press some questions that might break through the PR facade they were getting from the movement reps. Numerous reporters told me that they knew they weren't getting the whole story but couldn't penetrate the PR shield. Once they knew what to ask they got to see the other movement personality and it wasn't so blissful and self-assured. Thanks for the discussion. It is interesting to revisit the past this way. My POV has shifted quite a bit in emphasis through the years. One really obvious difference is that I had a fantastic meditation before my school show today. So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue! PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably most important only to me. Still it is weird to hear you name on Youtube so I wanted to respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject of the very first article reprinted in the very first newsletter from that group. So although you didn't start the group, you are definitely the point man here: TM-EX NEWSLETTER TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION EX-MEMBERS SUPPORT GROUP FALL 1990 Washington D.C. GROUNDING
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Damn! All you guys coming out of the woodwork to correct stuff!! H, let's try this - After David Bowie produced the Beatles first two albums, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar introduced him to meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. I certainly didn't start TM-EX - my only connection with it is that the TM-EX newsletters ended up on my minet.org website years later. TM-EX was Patrick Ryan's baby, as Curtis points out in a following message. TM-Free is a group blog, though I am lead contributor/coordinator of it these days. Lately, my writing there has been more news coverage (like the article Vaj reposted above) and commentary about current happenings and the ongoing silliness/outrageousness in and around the movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: wet pants
Hope not! http://tinyurl.com/4mcl6nk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Turq, you must be wetting your pants with excitement - Curtis is back and Judy is about to be!!! Do they have Depends (adult diapers) in Amsterdam? They probably do, but do they have tacos? http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Crowning-achievemen\ t-Ramirez-back-as-Miss-S-A-1293289.php 'Get off the tacos!' By Craig Kapitan San Antonio Express-News, March 25, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4hkqsm7 http://tinyurl.com/4hkqsm7
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I have no beliefs around it anymore and am not trying to get anywhere as a result of doing it. I have commissioned this as a tattoo. Brilliant! Thanks for the correction. Also I enjoyed this - So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue!. I really like TM as another tool in the toolbox, especially since I have no beliefs around it anymore and am not trying to get anywhere as a result of doing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't view it that way. It was an opportunity for me to tell my story and I welcomed it. But I also realized that me telling my story was going to piss a lot of people off who had been my friends in the movement. I didn't relish that. But by that time I realized that there was no way to be critical about the movement openly and break the omerta, and not have fallout. My main connection with the whole concept of TM EX was through Pat Ryan whom I greatly respect. He explained it to me that he was using the term as a focus for the press for an alternative POV to the movement press. Before TM EX actively solicited the press's attention the only people offering an alternative view of TM were fundamentalist Christian groups. Within that tent were a group of people who were suing the movement. I never felt any affinity with them. But I appreciated that Pat was sincere in his desire to have an alternative POV about TM out there. Once I was in City Paper more reporters called me. I never went after press or had an anti-TM campaign. For me talking with the press was an exercise in finding out what my beliefs were and how they had changed, much like FFL has served me. I also took some pleasure in feeding the press some questions that might break through the PR facade they were getting from the movement reps. Numerous reporters told me that they knew they weren't getting the whole story but couldn't penetrate the PR shield. Once they knew what to ask they got to see the other movement personality and it wasn't so blissful and self-assured. Thanks for the discussion. It is interesting to revisit the past this way. My POV has shifted quite a bit in emphasis through the years. One really obvious difference is that I had a fantastic meditation before my school show today. So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue! PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably most important only to me. Still it is weird to hear you name on Youtube so I wanted to respond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Bob Roth's mentioning your name as the founder of TM-EX may have occurred because you are the subject
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Good to hear from you Curtis. Would you like me to forward this to Bobby, or maybe something you modify for that purpose? Thanks Rick, as you probably saw by now Bob and I are cool. Refreshingly so. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 5:10 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Good to hear from you Curtis. Would you like me to forward this to Bobby, or maybe something you modify for that purpose? Brought me right out of lurk-mode! Bob was always nice to me when I knew him and a great oh shucks Jerry style movement spokesperson. But he has some facts wrong. He claims in this section that I started a group called TM-EX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexX2Q3-giYNR=1 NR=1 Not only did I not start the group, I purposely spoke as an individual separate from that handful of people involved with that name because some of them were suing the movement and I felt it would hurt the credibility of my criticism of the movement. The reason my name got associated with them is because I came to an event they were holding in protest of a flying course in DC to be interviewed by the Washington City Paper. Although we shared some of the same criticisms of the movement, our interest in what we considered to be the most important issues was very different. Some of them believed that they had been psychologically harmed by TM which I did not. Although I doubt it was malicious towards me on Bob's part, the inclusion of the detail of my full name lent a specific credibility to his statements which is undeserved in this case. Like most fulltime people Bob seems unaware of what guys like me are specifically criticizing in the movement. I also disagree with his later assertion that Judith's book doesn't have any corroborating details. It has many. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Cool - To be fair, you oughta surround it all with a heart and find a way to insert the word Mom or USA in there somehow... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I have no beliefs around it anymore and am not trying to get anywhere as a result of doing it. I have commissioned this as a tattoo. Brilliant! Thanks for the correction. Also I enjoyed this - So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue!. I really like TM as another tool in the toolbox, especially since I have no beliefs around it anymore and am not trying to get anywhere as a result of doing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't view it that way. It was an opportunity for me to tell my story and I welcomed it. But I also realized that me telling my story was going to piss a lot of people off who had been my friends in the movement. I didn't relish that. But by that time I realized that there was no way to be critical about the movement openly and break the omerta, and not have fallout. My main connection with the whole concept of TM EX was through Pat Ryan whom I greatly respect. He explained it to me that he was using the term as a focus for the press for an alternative POV to the movement press. Before TM EX actively solicited the press's attention the only people offering an alternative view of TM were fundamentalist Christian groups. Within that tent were a group of people who were suing the movement. I never felt any affinity with them. But I appreciated that Pat was sincere in his desire to have an alternative POV about TM out there. Once I was in City Paper more reporters called me. I never went after press or had an anti-TM campaign. For me talking with the press was an exercise in finding out what my beliefs were and how they had changed, much like FFL has served me. I also took some pleasure in feeding the press some questions that might break through the PR facade they were getting from the movement reps. Numerous reporters told me that they knew they weren't getting the whole story but couldn't penetrate the PR shield. Once they knew what to ask they got to see the other movement personality and it wasn't so blissful and self-assured. Thanks for the discussion. It is interesting to revisit the past this way. My POV has shifted quite a bit in emphasis through the years. One really obvious difference is that I had a fantastic meditation before my school show today. So TM has found its way back into my life, without the belief system, but as a genuine contribution to my well being. I'm still a work in progress on the whole issue! PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know how long the name TM EX existed before I was invited to speak to a reporter from City Paper that day. The reporter made a few errors in what she wrote but she did a good job representing my view of the movement at the time. The whole article is out on the Web somewhere. I can't think of anything I would change in it but my focus would be different today. Many of the issues I had with the organization were solved by the open knowledge sources on the Web today. Now people can know a lot before getting involved and it is more of a conscious choice. But I was not a point man, I was the subject in an interview that they quoted in their newsletter. I was never even on their newsletter list. My focus on issues was different from theirs. Lumping us all together was also a tactic used to try to combine my criticism with a group that was suing the movement. Lawyers in the movement used that tactic with the press when they knew I was not involved. I listened to all of Bob's talk and he mentioned his email so I dropped him a line to clarify this point. I don't believe he was knowing making an inaccurate statement and the difference between my POV and those expressed by TM EX are probably
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. Not my take at all. I watched all fourteen segments. I thought he seemed ill at ease and I saw little or no synergy between him and the students. Even his gestures seemed awkward. His presentation reminded me of a story I once heard about the inquistion, when non Catholics were forcibly converted to Catholicism. The authorities approached a man on a Friday evening and said, You are cooking chicken which you know is forbidden on Fridays. The man said, No, it is a fish. The authorties said again You are breaking the law, because you are cooking a chicken which is forbidden on Fridays. And again the man responded that No, it is a fish. The authorites said, Are you crazy, how can you say you are cooking a fish, when clearly it is a chicken. The man responded, I am a Jew, but you have declared that I am a Catholic. In the same way, I am cooking a chicken, but I am declaring it is a fish. In the same way, it seemed to me that all Bobby could say, was, No, it is not this way, it is this way I don't see how it will be possible to get any new adherents who are willing to look past all the inconsistencies (to put it mildly). I think they need a completely new approach. Maybe that is what the David Lynch Foundation will be able to pull off. I'm not going to bet on it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love. I have come to evaluate how I see those qualities differently in a person over the years. And I don't think I concur with your assessment. Perhaps well meaning, but that might be as far as I go. And I always liked him, although we were never friends. But I felt his performance was a little dishonest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? Rick, are you really that limped wrist that you can't fuckin say, what did she still instead of what did she allegedly, supposedly, possibly steal. Take a stand man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: No, I don't have time right now. It is WAY too much of a Fairfield story to do justice to quickly. It's a great story though. IOW, Duggy in FF got himself a bone, and he ain't sharing it with no one. Got this bone l to hisself, and gonna milk that bone for all it got.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Article I wrote about a hike I took in New Mexico
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Article I wrote about a hike I took in New Mexico On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: http://www.bidontravel.com/blog/travel/sandia-trail/ Wow. The descending eminence revealed really comes across! Thanks. You're welcome, although I don't understand your comment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Looks like they took advantage of you, hence my use of the term point man. *No one* wants to walk point - it is something you are ordered to do, or in this case inadvertently cast as such. I seem to recall that Curtis was on TM-Ex's go-to list when reporters called looking for somebody to interview. I could be wrong. PS Mike Doughney(sp?) started TM-EX. I had an email exchange with him about it many years ago - seems like he is still getting riled up about this and that, from the look of his blog. He's now running TM-Free, John Knapp's blog. John seems to have left. Don't know when Mike founded TM-Ex, but I don't think it was long before it started the newsletter in 1990.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love. I have come to evaluate how I see those qualities differently in a person over the years. And I don't think I concur with your assessment. Perhaps well meaning, but that might be as far as I go. And I always liked him, although we were never friends. But I felt his performance was a little dishonest. No. I just watched all 14 of the Youtubes of Bobby Roth answering q's. Tough job. Bobby did good. 'Bout time someone came out and said, We are not that, we are this. That was great. It's about time. I'm glad there is another conservative meditator willing to defend the Knowledge here against all these haters based on experience besides me. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in FF Take a look too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgjl7EBWrcfeature=related
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seventhray1 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love. I have come to evaluate how I see those qualities differently in a person over the years. And I don't think I concur with your assessment. Perhaps well meaning, but that might be as far as I go. And I always liked him, although we were never friends. But I felt his performance was a little dishonest. Me too, although I'm not sure he is aware when he is being dishonest. Bobby lived and taught together in Detroit from 1982-84, and have remained fond friends ever since, even though our paths have diverged. So I speak from experience when I say he has a good, loving heart. But I certainly don't agree with everything he says and does.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seventhray1 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fairfield Trash Trial --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: What did she supposedly steal? Is there a newspaper article about this? How much time did she get? Will she stay in the county jail or be transferred elsewhere? Rick, are you really that limped wrist that you can't fuckin say, what did she still instead of what did she allegedly, supposedly, possibly steal. Take a stand man. I hadn't even heard about the thing until today. Just because someone is convicted doesn't mean they are guilty, and being exonerated doesn't mean they are innocent (think O.J. Simpson). Someone told me a tenant who had been living in an apartment in Vera's house had left a lot of stuff there and hadn't removed it despite being asked repeatedly. Eventually Vera got rid of it and was arrested for doing so. It may be the insurance company that pressed charges. That's all I know and that's a sketchy, rumored account.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: snip Don't know when Mike founded TM-Ex, Ooops, sorry, Mike.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: snip If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. I know you've changed it now, but just as another data point, shortly after you posted your initial request, I tried it, and it loaded fine for me using IE8. Slowish machinen (1.6, I think), only 1G RAM. I seem to be the only one here who didn't have trouble with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: latest from Guruphiliac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ Wow, the dude went on the lam, it seems.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 10:58 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seventhray1 Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube Bobby Roth does a really fine job in the question and answer session. I watched a few - and he does avoid some difficult issues, but he is being who he is - a true devotee. And he is also vey smart. He also has a very good heart. The guy really is full of love. I have come to evaluate how I see those qualities differently in a person over the years. And I don't think I concur with your assessment. Perhaps well meaning, but that might be as far as I go. And I always liked him, although we were never friends. But I felt his performance was a little dishonest. Me too, although I’m not sure he is aware when he is being dishonest. Bobby lived and taught together in Detroit from 1982-84, and have remained fond friends ever since, even though our paths have diverged. So I speak from experience when I say he has a good, loving heart. But I certainly don’t agree with everything he says and does. The problem is that Bobby makes no room for any criticism of the TMO no matter how slight. He just won't or can't acknowledge anyones experience of the TMO or MMY as being anything less than perfect as having any legitimacy. He does this in a very polite, respectful way but when all is said and done the TMO/MMY are right and if you criticize it you are wrong.
[FairfieldLife] nondualogicality
Has a small list of realizers at right. http://nondualogicality.blogspot.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM QA session on David Wants to Fly on YouTube
No. I just watched all 14 of the Youtubes of Bobby Roth answering q's. Tough job. Bobby did good. 'Bout time someone came out and said, We are not that, we are this. That was great. Now, if they'ed just put some real fucking current financial statements like balance sheets, income, expense and cash statements on their web pages. Then they might be able to get beyond the past millions and billions. Mmy is dead, the past is the past, get current. Not pie charts but real audited statements by real accounting firms signed by real people for truthfulness. They always reference the IRS, but financial statements are different than filing for the IRS. Put up the real stuff. What do they still have to hide? With a lot of fanfare they used to skim cash off tuitions at MSAE and MUM and send it off. Do they still do that? It's about time. I'm glad there is another conservative meditator willing to defend the Knowledge here against all these haters based on experience besides me. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in FF Take a look too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgjl7EBWrcfeature=related
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please test something for me --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: snip If you have the time, please visit the site and let me know if you're seeing that problem. Also what browser you're using. Thanks. I know you've changed it now, but just as another data point, shortly after you posted your initial request, I tried it, and it loaded fine for me using IE8. Slowish machinen (1.6, I think), only 1G RAM. I seem to be the only one here who didn't have trouble with it. It was working intermittently before I fixed it, but I think it's working consistently now.
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