[FairfieldLife] Re: Revolutionary Transcendental Meditation
Jai Adi Shankara and JaiMaoist meditator Buck(hope Maoist in the Krishna Blues Curtis sense [:D] [;)] )you forget to mention to add to your quotation: A. A Comparative Analysis of the Oneida Community, the Taiping Rebellion, and the Mormons during the Nineteenth Century B.Lawrence Foster, a member of the history faculty at Georgia Tech, a former president of the Mormon History Association, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Similarly, the potentially disruptive activities of millennial religious or communal movements (which in Hagopian's framework are classed as revolts) also may develop in revolutionary or non-revolutionary directions, depending upon their goals and on the context within which their protest develops. When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically Revolutionary? - (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) Lawrence Foster --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Before considering these important questions, a working definition of polictical revolution first is necessary. The definition of political revolution used in this article is drawn primarily from Crane Brinton's classic comparative study, Anatomy of Revolutions... Brinton argues that for such an overthrow or attempted overthrow to be considered revolutionary the leaders of the movement must also seek to initiate major changes in the structure of government (as opposed to simply who is running it), as well as in economic life, social relationships, and ideological or religious beliefs. When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically Revolutionary? - Lawrence Foster --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Evidently it's true, that (Maharishi) [Noyes] with (Transcendental Meditation) evidently ably utilized the wide range of social and financial connections at his disposal to create a millennial group that skillfully pursued its objectives with in American society for more than three (five) decades. ... might appear as extreme at first sight, the group is actually a remarkable example of how a millennial group can successfully develop its own distinctive identity, while avoiding destructive confrontation with larger society. -When do Millennial Religious Movements Become Revolutionary?: - Lawrence Foster (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is us? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. -When do Millennial Religious Movements Become Revolutionary?: - Lawrence Foster (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Choose your millenarian end-of-days and descent of Heaven on Earth. However, surveying the 60 years of Maharishi and TM in the West or even just the 4 decades of TM in Iowa the TM movement as a millenarian movement has tried everything and has both accommodated the larger culture, been suppressed some, and even dispersed. And it has changed the larger culture some too. Evidently was revolutionary in its time too. Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: J pronounced as Y - the Jacobins
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Evidently J is prounounced as Y in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) as well as in Latin, Italian (to some extent), Maltese, German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, That's true, but for instance in Swedish its pronunciation depends on so called phonotactic environment, or stuff. For instance, Swedish word for 'lake', namely 'sjö'(sea?), is pronounced approximately like /shir/ prolly would, but 'ja' (yea?) like /yaah/. Furthermore, 'g' is often (before a front vowel) pronounced as 'y', for instance 'gilla', 'to accept', /yillaH/.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My HS Yearbook Photo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://searchsummit.com/HS_YearbookPhoto.jpg I was stoned. Was ? :-) Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful. - Jimi Hendrix For anyone who no longer has a copy of their yearbook photo, here is a site on which you can look it up for free. Yearbook photos from 136 countries: http://worldschoolphotographs.com/ They found mine on the first search.
[FairfieldLife] 'Levitation/Refinement of Perception/Transcending the Gravity Particle'...
I'm not sure what other's people experiences are on this point... In that CC experiences have to do with 'witnessing' and 'detatchment'... As some have expressed this can be a very 'dry' state...kind of like 'Krishna Murti'... So, and this is where Maharishi's teaching seems to have focused in latter days... Refinement of the mantra seems to continue, and also refinement of the sutras... Because one can be 'witnessing' and still be thinking on levels that miss the finest level... Perception of the finer levels of creation is what 'M was seeking in his students... Particularly on the 'Mother Divine' course, as females tend to be more refined to begin with, certainly, 'M' seemed enamoured with experiences expressed by some of the participants of that course having to do with refined perception(s)... It appears from the literature, that the refined levels are where things operate 'behind the scenes of normal perception... This idea of refinement of perception also comes into play with the sidhis... As the sutra practice and developement of the sidhis all have to do with refined perception... In particular the levitation sutra must activate at the finest level, as well as the other sutras... I have had dreams where I am levitating effortlessly, as if I had tuned into some magic level of existence, that was quite apparent to me.. In attempting to replicate this feeling of effortless levitation in the dream, I find the main block in waking consciousness, is the level of what feels like chaos or fear, at the finest level which I haven't been able to break through... In other words, in the dream, there was none of that feeling of the 'heaviness of fear'... In the dream, there really was no feeling of gravity to speak of, because so it seems, the soul is free of the body in the dream, and therefore gravity is already transcended by lack of mass... It appears that the soul has no mass...similar to light, and similar to all particles that make up matter; which creates gravity in the first place... The experiment they are doing in Europe, at the particle accellerator at Bern, have to do with finding the particle that creates matter... The irony is: That because levitation or the transcendence of gravity appears to be infinitely difficult in wakin state, and the essence of gravity cannot be transended... When the actual 'cause of gravity' this illusive particle is no where to be found by the physicists...(part of the reason being, that it doesn't contatin a charge, like electrons or protons)... So, between the 'zero point' of transcendence and manifestation lies this illusive 'gravity particle' which refuses to be transended, when one is 'in the body'... The body and the soul are opposites in that one is bound by gravity and one is not... So, all of these gravity particles get together apparently to create mass which is subject to gravity... In order for gravity to be transcended in waking state, something would have to be done to 'change the spin; of the gravity particle... And because the gravity particle creates a 'colllapse' in order to 'create matter'... Then this collapse must be transcended, this 'feeling of heaviness or fear'... In the body itself, would have to be transcended, a complete over-coming of the fear of death...in order to 'perform the milracle of levitation'... So, like Thomas in the Jesus story of levitation, the block to this 'walking on water'... Seems to be very much imprinted on our 'body/mind/soul connection to be 'just the other side of 'what is possilble in waking state consciousness'... That's all for now... Robert
[FairfieldLife] 'Undoing Situations and Facilitating Change'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L0H1WDE2kkfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] 'Top 15 Most Evil Nazis'
http://listverse.com/2010/08/22/top-15-most-evil-nazis/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My HS Yearbook Photo
as always a Turkish ahead of time back to the future trip is fun right [http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/pic3.gif] found mine, too: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://searchsummit.com/HS_YearbookPhoto.jpg I was stoned. Was ? :-) Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful. - Jimi Hendrix For anyone who no longer has a copy of their yearbook photo, here is a site on which you can look it up for free. Yearbook photos from 136 countries: http://worldschoolphotographs.com/ They on the first search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My HS Yearbook Photo
[http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/pic3.gif] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: as always a Turkish ahead of time back to the future trip is fun right [http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/pic3.gif] found mine, too: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://searchsummit.com/HS_YearbookPhoto.jpg I was stoned. Was ? :-) Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful. - Jimi Hendrix For anyone who no longer has a copy of their yearbook photo, here is a site on which you can look it up for free. Yearbook photos from 136 countries: http://worldschoolphotographs.com/ They on the first search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My HS Yearbook Photo
may be too far back in the futurepedia [http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/yourpic2.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: as always a Turkish ahead of time back to the future trip is fun right [http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/pic3.gif] found mine, too: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://searchsummit.com/HS_YearbookPhoto.jpg I was stoned. Was ? :-) Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful. - Jimi Hendrix For anyone who no longer has a copy of their yearbook photo, here is a site on which you can look it up for free. Yearbook photos from 136 countries: http://worldschoolphotographs.com/ They on the first search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My HS Yearbook Photo
may be too far back to futurepedia --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: as always a Turkish ahead of time back to the future trip is fun right [http://worldschoolphotographs.com/media/pic3.gif] found mine, too: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://searchsummit.com/HS_YearbookPhoto.jpg I was stoned. Was ? :-) Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful. - Jimi Hendrix For anyone who no longer has a copy of their yearbook photo, here is a site on which you can look it up for free. Yearbook photos from 136 countries: http://worldschoolphotographs.com/ They on the first search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Undoing Situations and Facilitating Change'
Is it true that the only way the human race can be saved from inevitable death by biological warfare if only 144,000 people learn to sing these 6 healing frequencies? Hmmm. Are you one of the 144,000 ? 1. 174 Hz Foundation 2. 285 Hz Quantum Cognition 3. 396 Hz Liberation from Fear 4. 417 Hz Transmutation 5. 528 Hz Miracle 6. 639 Hz Relationship Harmonization 7. 741 Hz Consciousness Expansion 8. 852 Hz Awakening Intuition 9. 963 Hz Numinous Accord if you have a waveform generation software you can play that frequencies. Samplitude, a multitrack recorder, can do that and generated that nine frequencies ...in the loop remind me of the day and night chanting of the Buddhist temple at the corner--using a tape loop Bob my bob [:x] are you a musician? [;)] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L0H1WDE2kkfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/Refinement of Perception/Transcending the Gravity Particle'...
* * Being simple field-awareness, we constantly collapse into our own I-particles or thought-waves (or wavicles), or devata-body, to experience through them the materializing effect of our own simplest field-programming or field-rules. We experience Ignorance when we are fully identified with an I-particle or thought-wave, and being lost in that wavicle we experience the reality that we are a separate entity within spacetime, subject to rules or programming beyond our conscious making. We experience CC when we are merely Witnessing an I-particle or thought-wave within our bodymind, and through that wavicle we realize we are being Witnessed. We experience GC when we treat the Witnessed I-particle or thought-wave with Loving attention as a personal, sentient being, as our personal God-child, and through that wavicle we realize we are being Loved by a fully-supportive, personal God-parent. We experience UC when we fully meet the needs/desires of our I-particle or thought-wave God-child by giving it a new field-programming or field-rule which satisfies it completely, thereby consciously aligning that wavicle fully with us, and through that wavicle we realize our utter alignment and identity with our own God-self. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: I'm not sure what other's people experiences are on this point... In that CC experiences have to do with 'witnessing' and 'detatchment'... As some have expressed this can be a very 'dry' state...kind of like 'Krishna Murti'... So, and this is where Maharishi's teaching seems to have focused in latter days... Refinement of the mantra seems to continue, and also refinement of the sutras... Because one can be 'witnessing' and still be thinking on levels that miss the finest level... Perception of the finer levels of creation is what 'M was seeking in his students... Particularly on the 'Mother Divine' course, as females tend to be more refined to begin with, certainly, 'M' seemed enamoured with experiences expressed by some of the participants of that course having to do with refined perception(s)... It appears from the literature, that the refined levels are where things operate 'behind the scenes of normal perception... This idea of refinement of perception also comes into play with the sidhis... As the sutra practice and developement of the sidhis all have to do with refined perception... In particular the levitation sutra must activate at the finest level, as well as the other sutras... I have had dreams where I am levitating effortlessly, as if I had tuned into some magic level of existence, that was quite apparent to me.. In attempting to replicate this feeling of effortless levitation in the dream, I find the main block in waking consciousness, is the level of what feels like chaos or fear, at the finest level which I haven't been able to break through... In other words, in the dream, there was none of that feeling of the 'heaviness of fear'... In the dream, there really was no feeling of gravity to speak of, because so it seems, the soul is free of the body in the dream, and therefore gravity is already transcended by lack of mass... It appears that the soul has no mass...similar to light, and similar to all particles that make up matter; which creates gravity in the first place... The experiment they are doing in Europe, at the particle accellerator at Bern, have to do with finding the particle that creates matter... The irony is: That because levitation or the transcendence of gravity appears to be infinitely difficult in wakin state, and the essence of gravity cannot be transended... When the actual 'cause of gravity' this illusive particle is no where to be found by the physicists...(part of the reason being, that it doesn't contatin a charge, like electrons or protons)... So, between the 'zero point' of transcendence and manifestation lies this illusive 'gravity particle' which refuses to be transended, when one is 'in the body'... The body and the soul are opposites in that one is bound by gravity and one is not... So, all of these gravity particles get together apparently to create mass which is subject to gravity... In order for gravity to be transcended in waking state, something would have to be done to 'change the spin; of the gravity particle... And because the gravity particle creates a 'colllapse' in order to 'create matter'... Then this collapse must be transcended, this 'feeling of heaviness or fear'... In the body itself, would have to be transcended, a complete over-coming of the fear of death...in order to 'perform the milracle of levitation'... So, like Thomas in the Jesus story of levitation, the block to this 'walking on water'... Seems to be very much imprinted on our 'body/mind/soul connection to be 'just the other side of 'what is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Idiocracy for 99 cents on Vudu
Vudu, unlike Netflix, is pay per view. However it has a lot of movies Netflix doesn't have streaming (WI). I particularly use it for independent and foreign films that might take forever to come to NF or when they do disc only. Vudu came along with Netflix on my Bluray player. Vudu was bought last year by Walmart. The main difference that brought was the ability to just pay per movie as they apparently tied it into Walmart's billing system. Before that you had to fund an account with at least $20. Other online streaming: CinemaNow owned by Best Buy. AlphaLine owned by Sears. Amazon though my player has yet to see the promised app. YouTube though the player's YouTube app doesn't do their PPV movies yet. The Android Market also has movie to rent though my tablets just outputs 720p and I need 1080p which is supposed to happen with a firmware upgrade. I have a pre-HDMI HD set that uses an HDMI to component converter. HuluPlus though I've only run a free TV episode with it. The interesting thing was the commercial was in HD and the episode SD. Netflixers will have a rate increase this month if you have both streaming and disc. The latter will now be extra. Even with the increase it would be less than what I was paying at Hollywood Video a month. I wonder though if the majority don't opt for discs it will make more studios offer oldies and smaller films currently only available on disc offer them streaming. The big wallet eater is cable which is SUCH a scam. On 08/29/2011 08:59 PM, pranamoocher wrote: thanks for posting this. Wasn't aware of Vudu but it looks just great as alternative to Net Flix. Idiocracy is worth watching again; it was visionary in actually predicting the state of today's brainwashed, compliant masses caught up in advertising and electronic gadget hype, just as 16 years after its inception, most people are spitting out Beavis and Butthead phrases all day long: Cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Vudu.com's 99 cent special of the day is Mike Judge's Idiocracy. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150359606140350 Makes a fairly good comedy preview of what will happen if the idiots take over though I have argued that a society that dumb would just perish. And only 99 cents in SD (480p), HD (720p) or HDX (1080p).
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Idiocracy for 99 cents on Vudu
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Idiocracy for 99 cents on Vudu Netflixers will have a rate increase this month if you have both streaming and disc. The latter will now be extra. Even with the increase it would be less than what I was paying at Hollywood Video a month. I wonder though if the majority don't opt for discs it will make more studios offer oldies and smaller films currently only available on disc offer them streaming. We're probably going to opt for streaming only, and pick up disks occasionally at Redbox and other local outlets.
[FairfieldLife] The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. I'm pretty sure the harping concerns the public's $2,500 price which pretty much takes it out of the zone for someone who wants to try it but isn't convinced $2,500 worth upfront. You are running numbers for a fund raising target. If they offered TM to everyone for $375 you would probably hear less harping. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: * * And as a true believer in the salvific power of the Golden-Domed Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (known familiarly as GrlJ, and again, as we are a Metropolitan Church, the J is to be pronounced European-style as a Y), may you hereby be welcomed officially to the True Tendrils and join the hallowed ranks of the GrlJ-men. St. Arnold would be proud! May you always embody and uphold the turiya and the turiyatita of the preaching! --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Not only is this path based in science, it also has roots in India! This is becoming truer and truer by the minute! http://youtu.be/11Hc-FDjwTg * * Wow, Alex! That's quite a find -- and so painstakingly transliterated. How canonical is That! This new evidence that the GrlJ-man is already so widely known across disparate cultures -- and with such wildly varying interpretations or personality- overlays -- only further proves the GrlJ-man is a divine protagonist possessing multi-frequency resonance aexpressing a fundamentalist archetypal truth. Here in the divine drama of this one video for example he appears to expound not only the Sama Veda, but also the Darth Veda. What a thriller! And as you say, if it's Indian it must be true. In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. Here's another one: for the past month, I've had my MacBook in the living room playing the Rain Raga 24 hours a day. Today, it is raining. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ) In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. Here's another one: for the past month, I've had my MacBook in the living room playing the Rain Raga 24 hours a day. Today, it is raining. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!! Irene said the rain raga probably kept it from raining. We'll send you our water bill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revolutionary Transcendental Meditation
Yep, it seems Foster's critique that looks at revolutionary millennial-ism provides a good framework of criticism toward seeing what we have here with things TM. World Plans, Heavens on Earth, Global Governance, currency, education, healthcare, ethics. It's a rather complete communal revolution. Foster's critique could work even for recognizing some of what we see posted here on FFL about TM. Of course we got Maharishi, from whom the revolution flows. Every once in a while we get reactionary Christians pushing back. We got intellectual TM-TB'er protagonists like Dick Mays or David OrmeJohnson and then real aggressive revolutionaries like Nablussos posting. Then radicals like Bevan at his level in the background guiding and running the TM movement. He may well be the ruthless radical revolutionary Joe Stalin character of the TM story. And then we've even got the counter-revolutionaries, writers like Turqb, Curtisdb, and Vaj who actively work the internet trying to hold back and then turn the flank of revolutionary TM by providing the negative way of thinking about it. Yup, it all reads a lot like another millennial revolution. Jai Lawrence Fosterji! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Jai Adi Shankara and JaiMaoist meditator Buck(hope Maoist in the Krishna Blues Curtis sense [:D] [;)] )you forget to mention to add to your quotation: A. A Comparative Analysis of the Oneida Community, the Taiping Rebellion, and the Mormons during the Nineteenth Century B.Lawrence Foster, a member of the history faculty at Georgia Tech, a former president of the Mormon History Association, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Similarly, the potentially disruptive activities of millennial religious or communal movements (which in Hagopian's framework are classed as revolts) also may develop in revolutionary or non-revolutionary directions, depending upon their goals and on the context within which their protest develops. When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically Revolutionary? - (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) Lawrence Foster --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Before considering these important questions, a working definition of polictical revolution first is necessary. The definition of political revolution used in this article is drawn primarily from Crane Brinton's classic comparative study, Anatomy of Revolutions... Brinton argues that for such an overthrow or attempted overthrow to be considered revolutionary the leaders of the movement must also seek to initiate major changes in the structure of government (as opposed to simply who is running it), as well as in economic life, social relationships, and ideological or religious beliefs. When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically Revolutionary? - Lawrence Foster --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Evidently it's true, that (Maharishi) [Noyes] with (Transcendental Meditation) evidently ably utilized the wide range of social and financial connections at his disposal to create a millennial group that skillfully pursued its objectives with in American society for more than three (five) decades. ... might appear as extreme at first sight, the group is actually a remarkable example of how a millennial group can successfully develop its own distinctive identity, while avoiding destructive confrontation with larger society. -When do Millennial Religious Movements Become Revolutionary?: - Lawrence Foster (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is us? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. -When do Millennial Religious Movements Become
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Idiocracy for 99 cents on Vudu
On 08/30/2011 10:17 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Idiocracy for 99 cents on Vudu Netflixers will have a rate increase this month if you have both streaming and disc. The latter will now be extra. Even with the increase it would be less than what I was paying at Hollywood Video a month. I wonder though if the majority don't opt for discs it will make more studios offer oldies and smaller films currently only available on disc offer them streaming. We're probably going to opt for streaming only, and pick up disks occasionally at Redbox and other local outlets. My disc queue is loaded with films that Redbox won't have. Hollywood Video went out of business a year and a half ago. Blockbuster across the street from HV just closed. I never rented much at BB other than the exclusives. I forgot that BB also offers streaming and that app was also on the player. Mom and pops have been gone for a long time. One friend ran a really neat rental shop but decided around 2003 or so that it was a buggy whip business and closed. He stocked a lot of difficult to find DVDs. Unless you're into sports cable is pretty much a rip-off and many of us who do not watch sports are subsidizing the sports coverage. If people were to make a list of shows they watch monthly on cable they would probably be amazed at how much they are paying per show. And cable itself is often paying under a dollar per network (non-premium) a month for those feeds. Vudu is now getting some of the shows I pay that extra amount for on cable. The broadcast network shows are so bad anymore they aren't worth watching. And as much of a couch potato that I sound like I'm really not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. * * Right, Alex! Or to put it another way, if we posit something as a field-rule, our senses will find ample supporting evidence to validate it. Here's another one: for the past month, I've had my MacBook in the living room playing the Rain Raga 24 hours a day. Today, it is raining. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!! * * Ha! Right. And it only took a month to prove it! Not bad. But to put it still another way, where we come from, there are no coincidences, only synchronicities :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
And training TM teachers is inefficient. All that could easily be done in one month. And as it is they just turn you into a robot that does preprogrammed things. There is really no knowledge of how it all works imparted. The teaching would do well at around $125 as a weekend workshop which people could more easily work into their schedules. The TMO lives in the world of the past. And then there is the issue that the techniques aren't unique at all so why pay that much more for them. On 08/30/2011 10:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaigLEnglish5@... wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. I'm pretty sure the harping concerns the public's $2,500 price which pretty much takes it out of the zone for someone who wants to try it but isn't convinced $2,500 worth upfront. You are running numbers for a fund raising target. If they offered TM to everyone for $375 you would probably hear less harping. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Undoing Situations and Facilitating Change'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L0H1WDE2kkfeature=related Add the human voice and a bunch of people doing that and it would be awesome around a campfire. Om, -Buck on the Lagrange
[FairfieldLife] Prevagen - supplement from Luminious Jellyfish
http://www.prevagen.com/science/ That's right! There's a calcium-binding protein (CaBP) called apoaequorin that binds with excess calcium in the brain. It's originally derived from jellyfish (that is, LUMINOUS jellyfish, since the apoaequorin is a component of the compounds which enable the jellyfish to glow.) At any rate, Quincy Bioscience has reformulated this vital protein derived from jellyfish into a product called Prevagen. It's the first and only supplement that restores CaBP levels and protects your brain cells from the ravages of time. I don't take it currently. Too expensive. You might ask, would Prevagen make your cells glow? Yes, probably.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. Here's another one: for the past month, I've had my MacBook in the living room playing the Rain Raga 24 hours a day. Today, it is raining. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!! The author of The Believing Brain postulates that this neurologically hard-wired spontaneous tendency is due to the highly advantageous survival value of interpreting any noise in the woods or high grass as a sentient being with bad intentions. If it turns out to be the wind, no harm but a little stress. If our minds miss a real predator by not making that imaginative leap, game over. So our brains generate patterns spontaneously, relentlessly. Even where no pattens exist, I see a ducky in the clouds...no wait those are two breasts... no four breasts, awesome, a threesome...no sorry, it is just a ducky. I have also read that being an atheist or a so-called non-believer, doesn't bypass this reaction. It only gives someone a different conversation with himself after the fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: * * And as a true believer in the salvific power of the Golden-Domed Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (known familiarly as GrlJ, and again, as we are a Metropolitan Church, the J is to be pronounced European-style as a Y), may you hereby be welcomed officially to the True Tendrils and join the hallowed ranks of the GrlJ-men. St. Arnold would be proud! May you always embody and uphold the turiya and the turiyatita of the preaching! --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Not only is this path based in science, it also has roots in India! This is becoming truer and truer by the minute! http://youtu.be/11Hc-FDjwTg * * Wow, Alex! That's quite a find -- and so painstakingly transliterated. How canonical is That! This new evidence that the GrlJ-man is already so widely known across disparate cultures -- and with such wildly varying interpretations or personality- overlays -- only further proves the GrlJ-man is a divine protagonist possessing multi-frequency resonance aexpressing a fundamentalist archetypal truth. Here in the divine drama of this one video for example he appears to expound not only the Sama Veda, but also the Darth Veda. What a thriller! And as you say, if it's Indian it must be true. In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. Here's another one: for the past month, I've had my MacBook in the living room playing the Rain Raga 24 hours a day. Today, it is raining. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
The current price for single adults is $1500, not $2500, as far as I know. And if a buncha people banded together and offered the TM organization $75,000 for 10,000 of them to learn TM, they might well get the discount as well. At the least, they could ask Bobby Roth about it. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. I'm pretty sure the harping concerns the public's $2,500 price which pretty much takes it out of the zone for someone who wants to try it but isn't convinced $2,500 worth upfront. You are running numbers for a fund raising target. If they offered TM to everyone for $375 you would probably hear less harping. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And training TM teachers is inefficient. All that could easily be done in one month. And as it is they just turn you into a robot that does preprogrammed things. There is really no knowledge of how it all works imparted. The teaching would do well at around $125 as a weekend workshop which people could more easily work into their schedules. The TMO lives in the world of the past. There's a waiting list of one million (1,000,000!!!) kids in Rio de Janeiro alone to learn TM through that city's public school system. Tell me that the TMO is out of business. And then there is the issue that the techniques aren't unique at all so why pay that much more for them. All the former TM people accuse TMers of being in denial about TM. Please find me published peer-reviewed research on pure consciousness, defined in any way, shape or form, found in other meditation practices. Thanks. L
[FairfieldLife] Vippassana is a myth-interpretation of enlightenment
More and more, I'm starting to believe that Vippassana practice is a misinterprÂetation of the situation that an enlighteneÂd person is naturally in. Long-term TM practice leads to a situation where pure consciousnÂess is seen as always present, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. A trick of how we describe our self is that we always choose the most constant aspect of our internal landscape and call it our self. When pure consciousnÂess is the most constant aspect of our internal landscape, we naturally call it self. The quality of pure consciousnÂess during meditation practice is simply awareNESS, period. Pure consciousnÂess in normal activity is non-judgemÂental, non-changiÂng, awareNESS of all objects of attention. In other words, once you identify pure consciousness as self, then you are always aware OF everythinÂg that goes on and you are always non-judgemÂental because you ARE pure consciousnÂess: the unchanging watchfulneÂss aspect of any state of consciousnÂess. It is not something you practice. It is simply a change in how you describe you to other people: I am That... And it naturally arises in people who practice TM long enough. Attempting to practice mindfulnesÂs [VipassanaÂ], while it may have beneficial side effects for health, isn't the real deal, IMHO. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Excuse, $3.75 million for 10,000... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The current price for single adults is $1500, not $2500, as far as I know. And if a buncha people banded together and offered the TM organization $75,000 for 10,000 of them to learn TM, they might well get the discount as well. At the least, they could ask Bobby Roth about it. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. I'm pretty sure the harping concerns the public's $2,500 price which pretty much takes it out of the zone for someone who wants to try it but isn't convinced $2,500 worth upfront. You are running numbers for a fund raising target. If they offered TM to everyone for $375 you would probably hear less harping. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world
Ah yes...I remember my projects were like my babies, at one point. I nurtured them along and was always available. I didn't go on vacation without work for about 10 years. I was passionate about my work, and now, I can't find the drive. It's gone. I have to start doing more than waiting for it to return as I have a feeling it's not coming back in the same context. I see your point, however, about your business...at least you control a larger aspect of your livelihood and your life and your time - that is good. The feeling of freedom from being solo for two days and unreachable too was so great and rejuvenating - a kind of irresponsible high. But it's not something that can be sustained for long :( --- On Mon, 8/29/11, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 5:06 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: You have that wrong. Don't know what to say. Unplug during your vacations. Feel the freedom. LIBERATION! They will be there when you get back. It's a feeling close to bliss. Seriously. Yea, I guess you come from a corporate background, (as you've mentioned before), where that may be a little easier to do. When you are a small operation other factors may come into play. Sure I could take that approach, and let those back at work address all the issues, and yes, I'm sure things would work out in the end. But our business is such that even when one person is out, it affects the smooth operation. There are benefits to owning a business, but also drawbacks. I guess you could put this in the drawbacks category. From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@... Liberation Part II I just finished a family vacation out west. The fact that I had a cell phone allowed me to keep in incidental touch with my company and some of my customers. Without the cell phone there would have been missed opportuntites, or it might have taken the folks minding the store much longer to sort things out. Of course, my preference would be to be on vacation without interruptions of this sort, but this is not an option.  So, for me having the cell phone is somewhat liberating for me. Being without a cell phone is very much the opposite. At least at this stage of things in my life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On 08/30/2011 12:26 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: And training TM teachers is inefficient. All that could easily be done in one month. And as it is they just turn you into a robot that does preprogrammed things. There is really no knowledge of how it all works imparted. The teaching would do well at around $125 as a weekend workshop which people could more easily work into their schedules. The TMO lives in the world of the past. There's a waiting list of one million (1,000,000!!!) kids in Rio de Janeiro alone to learn TM through that city's public school system. Tell me that the TMO is out of business. And I bet they have NO idea of what they've been signed up for. And the phrase lives in the world of the past means out of touch not out of business. There are car dealers that should be out of business but continue to scam the public. And then there is the issue that the techniques aren't unique at all so why pay that much more for them. All the former TM people accuse TMers of being in denial about TM. Please find me published peer-reviewed research on pure consciousness, defined in any way, shape or form, found in other meditation practices. Thanks. L You mean like the phony peer reviewed (probably bribed) research like the TMO has? Who needs it? Biological androids? The proof is in the pudding. After all it's just meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/30/2011 12:26 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: And training TM teachers is inefficient. All that could easily be done in one month. And as it is they just turn you into a robot that does preprogrammed things. There is really no knowledge of how it all works imparted. The teaching would do well at around $125 as a weekend workshop which people could more easily work into their schedules. The TMO lives in the world of the past. There's a waiting list of one million (1,000,000!!!) kids in Rio de Janeiro alone to learn TM through that city's public school system. Tell me that the TMO is out of business. And I bet they have NO idea of what they've been signed up for. And the phrase lives in the world of the past means out of touch not out of business. There are car dealers that should be out of business but continue to scam the public. The waiting list situation came about after 7,000 kids in several schools in Rio learned TM via the David Lynch Foundation. The results have been so positive that the school system has requested that all 1,000 schools be included in the DLF's Quiet Time Program. And then there is the issue that the techniques aren't unique at all so why pay that much more for them. All the former TM people accuse TMers of being in denial about TM. Please find me published peer-reviewed research on pure consciousness, defined in any way, shape or form, found in other meditation practices. Thanks. L You mean like the phony peer reviewed (probably bribed) research like the TMO has? Who needs it? Biological androids? The proof is in the pudding. After all it's just meditation. You have no proof that any of the research was peer-reviewed via bribes. In fact, the most anyone has ever accused the TMO of was selectively reporting only positive results, and that particular practice, while possibly/probably more likely amongst True Believer researchers, has always been noted as a problem with any research by anyone. Researchers of any stripe, if they are testing their own pet theory, are prone to simply not bother to publish research that doesn't support their theory. Sometimes it is an entirely innocent process: they didn't get a result so they didn't publish and they tossed the theory out the window can came up with a new one to test. Sometimes, it might be totally insidious, as with tobacco companies and research that proves that tobacco smoking has no ill-effects. When TM researchers fail to publish null-finding research it is probably somewhere in between the two extremes. HOWEVER, when TM researchers do bunches of private pilot studies, then solicit non-TMing researchers to collaborate on studies funded by the NIH, you can be sure that the non-TMing researchers are going to ensure the research is published, regardless of the findings. That is the LAW: publicly funded research must be published. And if the study is done so shittily that no-one will publish it, then the NIH probably won't deal with such researchers again, anyway. TM researchers don't seek out non-meditating collaborators for studies on TM's effects on something until they are 100% positive that the specific research will be positive because they have done enough private pilot studies to be confident of the outcome before they look for the collaborators. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. -RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: * * Right, Alex! Or to put it another way, if we posit something as a field-rule, our senses will find ample supporting evidence to validate it. * * Along these same lines: Holy Cacao! Apis Kamadhenu! Cacao Theobroma! Our Taurus-Torus Torah-Tor, our sacred rose, our soma! Our sacramental Bovine Bridge, fulfilling every wish, Our heavenly mount who takes us to our Giant Jellyfish! Our ever-living poet, our Ox-Ford sire divine: Our gentle Apis Lapis, whose orbs flash fire benign! Sub rosa poet, he: eRos by any other name as sweetly smells, His will shakes spears: a Maya-magic wealth of dharma-drama spells. His rosy poetry a Rose in many uttered flame our Sol unfolds, Now stilling fear and judgment in the Twelve the loving One upholds. Bold Oxford sees the light in fifteen-fifty: that same year In which the Mayans' chocolate the Europeans cheer. Though Nablusos one thousand-eight precede us here, It does no harm to show again the poet's Oxfordshire, At Wayland's Smithy: See, when you draw near, Our Mayan Calendar, our Rose, and Jellyfish appear. The 2012 Mayan Calendar crop-circle (2005) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13868867@N06/4181034837/ The 12-fold Rose Window crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.neptunecafe.com/ccsr.html The 12-chakra GrlJ crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/uk2009as.shtml (Why Wayland's Smithy? Probably some of my family have been wandering in our sleep again. Wayland the Smith-God was the Norse-Teutonic equivalent of the Gallo-Roman Gobannus, the Old Irish Goibniu, and the Middle Welsh Gofannon: Smith being Gobha in Modern Irish, Gof in Modern Welsh, Goff in Breton.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On 08/30/2011 01:10 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/30/2011 12:26 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: And training TM teachers is inefficient. All that could easily be done in one month. And as it is they just turn you into a robot that does preprogrammed things. There is really no knowledge of how it all works imparted. The teaching would do well at around $125 as a weekend workshop which people could more easily work into their schedules. The TMO lives in the world of the past. There's a waiting list of one million (1,000,000!!!) kids in Rio de Janeiro alone to learn TM through that city's public school system. Tell me that the TMO is out of business. And I bet they have NO idea of what they've been signed up for. And the phrase lives in the world of the past means out of touch not out of business. There are car dealers that should be out of business but continue to scam the public. The waiting list situation came about after 7,000 kids in several schools in Rio learned TM via the David Lynch Foundation. The results have been so positive that the school system has requested that all 1,000 schools be included in the DLF's Quiet Time Program. And then there is the issue that the techniques aren't unique at all so why pay that much more for them. All the former TM people accuse TMers of being in denial about TM. Please find me published peer-reviewed research on pure consciousness, defined in any way, shape or form, found in other meditation practices. Thanks. L You mean like the phony peer reviewed (probably bribed) research like the TMO has? Who needs it? Biological androids? The proof is in the pudding. After all it's just meditation. You have no proof that any of the research was peer-reviewed via bribes. In fact, the most anyone has ever accused the TMO of was selectively reporting only positive results, and that particular practice, while possibly/probably more likely amongst True Believer researchers, has always been noted as a problem with any research by anyone. Researchers of any stripe, if they are testing their own pet theory, are prone to simply not bother to publish research that doesn't support their theory. Sometimes it is an entirely innocent process: they didn't get a result so they didn't publish and they tossed the theory out the window can came up with a new one to test. Sometimes, it might be totally insidious, as with tobacco companies and research that proves that tobacco smoking has no ill-effects. When TM researchers fail to publish null-finding research it is probably somewhere in between the two extremes. HOWEVER, when TM researchers do bunches of private pilot studies, then solicit non-TMing researchers to collaborate on studies funded by the NIH, you can be sure that the non-TMing researchers are going to ensure the research is published, regardless of the findings. That is the LAW: publicly funded research must be published. And if the study is done so shittily that no-one will publish it, then the NIH probably won't deal with such researchers again, anyway. TM researchers don't seek out non-meditating collaborators for studies on TM's effects on something until they are 100% positive that the specific research will be positive because they have done enough private pilot studies to be confident of the outcome before they look for the collaborators. L They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L
[FairfieldLife] The LIE
The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won't be celebrating... 'Sun Causes Climate Change Shock' http://tinyurl.com/3sahqkr 'CERN Finds Significant Cosmic Ray Cloud Effect' http://tinyurl.com/3zzm7pm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On 08/30/2011 01:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L Both a teacher and a governor. Many of us questioned those points. Whether or not one has a reclusive nature has more to do with their karma than any mantra used. I've met many reclusive TMers and many householders practicing other techniques which might be called monastic with successful careers and families. As a certain FFL'er would say go figure. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world
Denise Evans: The word liberation came to mind in the last several days when I dropped my new cell phone... Nice, but I don't think Turq was talking about the kind of 'liberation' you get from taking a vacation with no cell phone. A Buddhist like Turq would be talking about liberation from suffering and avoiding the endless round of rebirth and samsara. If we are free, then there would be no need for a technique of liberation. If we are free, then we are not bound to a belief in 'karma', since karma means the result of past and future actions.
[FairfieldLife] More Hurricanes to Come
Mars enters the sign of Cancer on September 9, 2011. Mars will be debilitated in this watery sign. Therefore, it will be angry and ornery for being placed in this position. As such, there is great likelihood of danger and damages due to hurricanes in the southeastern and the Gulf of Mexico coastline of the USA.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D Actually independent researchers found that regular mantra meditation lowered blood pressure better than TM - actually so did everything else. TM, it turned out was the worst at lowering BP. See Files TM Research TM-BPDeception.jpg The TM Blood Pressure Deception: Don't believe the lies in the FFL files section.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vippassana is a myth-interpretation of enlightenment
On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:27 PM, sparaig wrote: Let me parse this in a more honest phrasing: More and more, I'm starting to believe that Vippassana practice is a misinterprÂetation of the situation that an enlighteneÂd person is naturally in. I don't understand vipassana and it's many varieties in sutra, tantra and dzogchen, so I'm projecting my fears onto my lack of understanding and my lack of direct experience. I don't understand why TM is a form of shamatha. I have no idea what the differences are between vipassana and shamatha or what it means to join the two. Long-term TM practice leads to a situation where pure consciousnÂess is seen as always present, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. TM-bots claims some rather insubstantial findings represent some thing called pure consciousness even though there's nothing convincing to suggest any such thing - it's merely a belief I'm obsessed with - but it's all I have after all these years, so I continue to obsess on it. A trick of how we describe our self is that we always choose the most constant aspect of our internal landscape and call it our self. When pure consciousnÂess is the most constant aspect of our internal landscape, we naturally call it self. I was taught to believe this by my TM indoctrination and so therefore it's true, for me. I'm a believer. The quality of pure consciousnÂess during meditation practice is simply awareNESS, period. Pure consciousnÂess in normal activity is non-judgemÂental, non-changiÂng, awareNESS of all objects of attention. In other words, once you identify pure consciousness as self, then you are always aware OF everythinÂg that goes on and you are always non-judgemÂental because you ARE pure consciousnÂess: the unchanging watchfulneÂss aspect of any state of consciousnÂess. Some more beliefs I have acquired. I'll take even the flimsiest evidence to prevent myself from having to question this belief I hold. In fact, I project this belief onto the thought-free states I attain in my TM practice, by direct experience. I was told these thought-free states are the same as pure consciousness, and I believe it is true because they told me it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months. Nice. With the huge success the DLF is having around the world this could easily by the new policy adopted by the TMO ! http://dlf.tv/2010/annie/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The current price for single adults is $1500, not $2500, as far as I know. And if a buncha people banded together and offered the TM organization $75,000 for 10,000 of them to learn TM, they might well get the discount as well. At the least, they could ask Bobby Roth about it. It could easily happen. Maharishi himself set the prices high for a reason. He also set it low for DLF for a reason. Raja Ram is no fool, nor is Bevan. In the near future they could decide to support a global approach to the practise of 375.- Maharishi himself said TM-teachers one day would have to flee to the mountains to have some break from Initiating. That day could be nearer than you imagine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prevagen - supplement from Luminious Jellyfish
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.prevagen.com/science/ That's right! There's a calcium-binding protein (CaBP) called apoaequorin that binds with excess calcium in the brain. It's originally derived from jellyfish (that is, LUMINOUS jellyfish, since the apoaequorin is a component of the compounds which enable the jellyfish to glow.) At any rate, Quincy Bioscience has reformulated this vital protein derived from jellyfish into a product called Prevagen. It's the first and only supplement that restores CaBP levels and protects your brain cells from the ravages of time. I don't take it currently. Too expensive. You might ask, would Prevagen make your cells glow? Yes, probably. * * A very, very nice find, Yifu! As our GrlJ is indeed glowing eternally, beyond the ravages of time, it appears only right and just that our GrlJ's mortal cousins would preserve some semblance of the same gifts! And so once again, science comes through for us, proving to the atheist infidels what we already know :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In all seriousness, though, I find it very interesting how easy it is to find what appears to be an intelligent pattern in support of something, regardless of how valid the something actually is. -RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: * * Right, Alex! Or to put it another way, if we posit something as a field-rule, our senses will find ample supporting evidence to validate it. * * Along these same lines: Holy Cacao! Apis Kamadhenu! Cacao Theobroma! Our Taurus-Torus Torah-Tor, our sacred rose, our soma! Our sacramental Bovine Bridge, fulfilling every wish, Our heavenly mount who takes us to our Giant Jellyfish! Our ever-living poet, our Ox-Ford sire divine: Our gentle Apis Lapis, whose orbs flash fire benign! Sub rosa poet, he: eRos by any other name as sweetly smells, His will shakes spears: a Maya-magic wealth of dharma-drama spells. His rosy poetry a Rose in many uttered flame our Sol unfolds, Now stilling fear and judgment in the Twelve the loving One upholds. Bold Oxford sees the light in fifteen-fifty: that same year In which the Mayans' chocolate the Europeans cheer. Though Nablusos one thousand-eight precede us here, It does no harm to show again the poet's Oxfordshire, At Wayland's Smithy: See, when you draw near, Our Mayan Calendar, our Rose, and Jellyfish appear. The 2012 Mayan Calendar crop-circle (2005) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13868867@N06/4181034837/ The 12-fold Rose Window crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.neptunecafe.com/ccsr.html The 12-chakra GrlJ crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/uk2009as.shtml BINGO ! The above confirms everything you have so beautifully said about The Jellyfish ! :-) (Why Wayland's Smithy? Probably some of my family have been wandering in our sleep again. Wayland the Smith-God was the Norse-Teutonic equivalent of the Gallo-Roman Gobannus, the Old Irish Goibniu, and the Middle Welsh Gofannon: Smith being Gobha in Modern Irish, Gof in Modern Welsh, Goff in Breton.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
I know well over a dozen close friends and family very intrigued by TM, but $1500 is way out of question. $375 would be great, even $500 is reasonable. I'm sure many TMer's know many friends that are in the same boat. Apparently, either TMO or MMY are not good at math. Perhaps some people in America could drop $1500 easily, but there are also many working class people who are barely making ends meet who could benefit a lot from TM. The $1500 price, IMO, is putting it out of reach for those who get their hands dirty for a living. A basic working class man/woman who makes 40k per year who wants a decent place to stay and medical care along with children/family, wellyou can kiss a $1500 spiritual technique goodbye. This whole 'Top-Down' theory is what I think partly inspired the ridiculous price. The idea was to get rich, wealthy, powerful and famous people to practice, and all of a sudden it would trickle down, just like Reaganomics. Hopefully the whole DLF thing works out. But I doubt we're going to have a mass population take up the practice given the current price. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months. Nice. With the huge success the DLF is having around the world this could easily by the new policy adopted by the TMO ! http://dlf.tv/2010/annie/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The LIE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won't be celebrating... 'Sun Causes Climate Change Shock' http://tinyurl.com/3sahqkr 'CERN Finds Significant Cosmic Ray Cloud Effect' http://tinyurl.com/3zzm7pm This info will go into the mix with everything else. Climate scientists, at least before this news, have been berating each other for the past few years about the bad publicity their discipline and findings have been getting. The most prestigious scientists (e.g. the guy that holds both an oxford AND cambridge post as a climate scientist) are not doubting their own general findings, but they are very concerned that they haven't adequately communicated to the general public just how volatile climate predictions are. Their best and worse-case projections are all over the map as to the degree of climate change and how much is caused by man, etc. However, ALL their projections show that mankind is causing a huge portion of it and even the most optimistic projections show the upcoming changes are going to have a really bad effect on people living on the coast. The worst-case scenarios turn that into a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad effect. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation It will be a global initiative, not only for the USA. A yes it is being seriously considered, but don't expect any conclusion next week. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/30/2011 01:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L Both a teacher and a governor. Many of us questioned those points. Whether or not one has a reclusive nature has more to do with their karma than any mantra used. I've met many reclusive TMers and many householders practicing other techniques which might be called monastic with successful careers and families. As a certain FFL'er would say go figure. ;-) Well, I can't say if you or Maharishi is correct or incorrect. I was merely pointing out that MMY's claims were different than you expressed in the post I was responding to. The TM mantras are hardly unique in India. They are, according to MMY (and according to Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati, who actively hates MMY), NOT what was taught by Gurudev at Jyotirmath. As to whether or not TM is unique as a technique, who can say? The Sahaj Samahdi technique described here previously sounds like it is a distortion of TM, but it has many practitioners who consider it better than TM. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
A pretty picture with no attribution, doesn't prove anything at all. I hope you realize this and are merely being a troll. Otherwise, you're really far worse off than I thought. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D Actually independent researchers found that regular mantra meditation lowered blood pressure better than TM - actually so did everything else. TM, it turned out was the worst at lowering BP. See Files TM Research TM-BPDeception.jpg The TM Blood Pressure Deception: Don't believe the lies in the FFL files section.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vippassana is a myth-interpretation of enlightenment
Thanks for clarifying this for me. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 3:27 PM, sparaig wrote: Let me parse this in a more honest phrasing: More and more, I'm starting to believe that Vippassana practice is a misinterprÂetation of the situation that an enlighteneÂd person is naturally in. I don't understand vipassana and it's many varieties in sutra, tantra and dzogchen, so I'm projecting my fears onto my lack of understanding and my lack of direct experience. I don't understand why TM is a form of shamatha. I have no idea what the differences are between vipassana and shamatha or what it means to join the two. Long-term TM practice leads to a situation where pure consciousnÂess is seen as always present, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. TM-bots claims some rather insubstantial findings represent some thing called pure consciousness even though there's nothing convincing to suggest any such thing - it's merely a belief I'm obsessed with - but it's all I have after all these years, so I continue to obsess on it. A trick of how we describe our self is that we always choose the most constant aspect of our internal landscape and call it our self. When pure consciousnÂess is the most constant aspect of our internal landscape, we naturally call it self. I was taught to believe this by my TM indoctrination and so therefore it's true, for me. I'm a believer. The quality of pure consciousnÂess during meditation practice is simply awareNESS, period. Pure consciousnÂess in normal activity is non-judgemÂental, non-changiÂng, awareNESS of all objects of attention. In other words, once you identify pure consciousness as self, then you are always aware OF everythinÂg that goes on and you are always non-judgemÂental because you ARE pure consciousnÂess: the unchanging watchfulneÂss aspect of any state of consciousnÂess. Some more beliefs I have acquired. I'll take even the flimsiest evidence to prevent myself from having to question this belief I hold. In fact, I project this belief onto the thought-free states I attain in my TM practice, by direct experience. I was told these thought-free states are the same as pure consciousness, and I believe it is true because they told me it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Yep, and a lot of other people too. Jai Guru Dev, nablusoss1008! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
I have had a similar experience, but I wouldn't call it useful or non-useful or meaningful or significant. It started showing up within a few days of my learning TM and has continued throughout the 38 years that I have practiced, but I don't believe that it is of any special significance. For that matter, witnessing sleep started within a few days of learning TM for me and has been almost a constant for 38 years. Again, its not something worthy of mentioning, except in the context of dismissing it. Why? Because 2 years ago when my son tried to commit suicide (a very credible attempt according to my counselor and his), and left a suicide note on his computer that said, in part, tell Dad that I don't blame him for my pain but I still hate his guts, I was totally devastated physically and emotionally. At my worst, Pure Consciousness during the waking state wasn't even a glimmer of a presence. Other extremely stressful episodes in the past 38 of my life also result in this loss of waking state witnessing. Combine that with my own stupid self-destructive lifestyle, and I would never dream of claiming CC for myself. And assigning something significance to such a state of quiet mantraness throughout the day merely makes it a desirable spiritual experience which is contra-CC, IMHO. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Based on my experience, you may be right. Despite having meditated for 35 years, I continue to have higher bp than I'd like, but my resting pulse averages 50 bpm, so I hope that makes up for it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D Actually independent researchers found that regular mantra meditation lowered blood pressure better than TM - actually so did everything else. TM, it turned out was the worst at lowering BP. See Files TM Research TM-BPDeception.jpg The TM Blood Pressure Deception: Don't believe the lies in the FFL files section.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
-RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: * * Along these same lines: Holy Cacao! Apis Kamadhenu! Cacao Theobroma! Our Taurus-Torus Torah-Tor, our sacred rose, our soma! Our sacramental Bovine Bridge, fulfilling every wish, Our heavenly mount who takes us to our Giant Jellyfish! Our ever-living poet, our Ox-Ford sire divine: Our gentle Apis Lapis, whose orbs flash fire benign! Sub rosa poet, he: eRos by any other name as sweetly smells, His will shakes spears: a Maya-magic wealth of dharma-drama spells. His rosy poetry a Rose in many uttered flame our Sol unfolds, Now stilling fear and judgment in the Twelve the loving One upholds. Bold Oxford sees the light in fifteen-fifty: that same year In which the Mayans' chocolate the Europeans cheer. Though Nablusoss one thousand-eight precede us here, It does no harm to show again the poet's Oxfordshire, At Wayland's Smithy: See, when you draw near, Our Mayan Calendar, our Rose, and Jellyfish appear. The 2012 Mayan Calendar crop-circle (2005) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13868867@N06/4181034837/ The 12-fold Rose Window crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.neptunecafe.com/ccsr.html The 12-chakra GrlJ crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/uk2009as.shtml nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: BINGO ! The above confirms everything you have so beautifully said about The Jellyfish ! :-) * * Yes, Nablusoss! When we cleave to Nature and speak Her truth, then Nature cleaves to us and upholds our truth. And our gratitude goes to you, who in continually pointing out the signs and wonders of these field-mandalas have ever been as the voice of One crying in the Wilderness, Make curved the Way of the GrlJ! And did you notice our Jellyfish's seven exoteric chakras, leading one vertically up the central sushumna-filaments to the esoteric five within the ever-present round of the eighth -- the non-doing, Niyama round of Jacob's Ladder, the Ashtanga-Yoga Heavenly Tree? With the root below the base (pure Prakriti), the central seven, and the crowning glory above (pure Purusha, the Adam Cadmon), you have your full complement of nine (vertical) stages, or mandalas -- thou art the Tenth, the totality ItSelf, the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish ... which actually contains a co-creative matrix of 12 and is itself the 0 and the 13 :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. No worries. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I have had a similar experience, but I wouldn't call it useful or non-useful or meaningful or significant. It started showing up within a few days of my learning TM and has continued throughout the 38 years that I have practiced, but I don't believe that it is of any special significance. For that matter, witnessing sleep started within a few days of learning TM for me and has been almost a constant for 38 years. Again, its not something worthy of mentioning, except in the context of dismissing it. Why? Because 2 years ago when my son tried to commit suicide (a very credible attempt according to my counselor and his), and left a suicide note on his computer that said, in part, tell Dad that I don't blame him for my pain but I still hate his guts, I was totally devastated physically and emotionally. At my worst, Pure Consciousness during the waking state wasn't even a glimmer of a presence. Other extremely stressful episodes in the past 38 of my life also result in this loss of waking state witnessing. Combine that with my own stupid self-destructive lifestyle, and I would never dream of claiming CC for myself. And assigning something significance to such a state of quiet mantraness throughout the day merely makes it a desirable spiritual experience which is contra-CC, IMHO. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [...] They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D MMY never claimed that the TM mantras were unique. What he claimed was: 1) meditation practice, as taught in India, was generally very distorted. Even the practice taught in monasteries was somewhat distorted; 2) the practice, as taught in monasteries, always used mantras suitable for monks, not householders. Are you sure you were a TM teacher at some point? These points are very much the TM canon as taught be every active TM teacher I ever met. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Well, how much more massive a population starting TM than every kid in Rio de Janeiro, are you looking for? Much much MUCH larger, better controlled studies, performed entirely by people with no TM background, will need to be done before this becomes widespread. (Someone willing to pay for a million kids' learning TM will have to happen also, of course). But the potential is there. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: I know well over a dozen close friends and family very intrigued by TM, but $1500 is way out of question. $375 would be great, even $500 is reasonable. I'm sure many TMer's know many friends that are in the same boat. Apparently, either TMO or MMY are not good at math. Perhaps some people in America could drop $1500 easily, but there are also many working class people who are barely making ends meet who could benefit a lot from TM. The $1500 price, IMO, is putting it out of reach for those who get their hands dirty for a living. A basic working class man/woman who makes 40k per year who wants a decent place to stay and medical care along with children/family, wellyou can kiss a $1500 spiritual technique goodbye. This whole 'Top-Down' theory is what I think partly inspired the ridiculous price. The idea was to get rich, wealthy, powerful and famous people to practice, and all of a sudden it would trickle down, just like Reaganomics. Hopefully the whole DLF thing works out. But I doubt we're going to have a mass population take up the practice given the current price. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months. Nice. With the huge success the DLF is having around the world this could easily by the new policy adopted by the TMO ! http://dlf.tv/2010/annie/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
ah, you're full of it Rory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: -RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: * * Along these same lines: Holy Cacao! Apis Kamadhenu! Cacao Theobroma! Our Taurus-Torus Torah-Tor, our sacred rose, our soma! Our sacramental Bovine Bridge, fulfilling every wish, Our heavenly mount who takes us to our Giant Jellyfish! Our ever-living poet, our Ox-Ford sire divine: Our gentle Apis Lapis, whose orbs flash fire benign! Sub rosa poet, he: eRos by any other name as sweetly smells, His will shakes spears: a Maya-magic wealth of dharma-drama spells. His rosy poetry a Rose in many uttered flame our Sol unfolds, Now stilling fear and judgment in the Twelve the loving One upholds. Bold Oxford sees the light in fifteen-fifty: that same year In which the Mayans' chocolate the Europeans cheer. Though Nablusoss one thousand-eight precede us here, It does no harm to show again the poet's Oxfordshire, At Wayland's Smithy: See, when you draw near, Our Mayan Calendar, our Rose, and Jellyfish appear. The 2012 Mayan Calendar crop-circle (2005) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13868867@N06/4181034837/ The 12-fold Rose Window crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.neptunecafe.com/ccsr.html The 12-chakra GrlJ crop-circle (2009) at Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/uk2009as.shtml nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: BINGO ! The above confirms everything you have so beautifully said about The Jellyfish ! :-) * * Yes, Nablusoss! When we cleave to Nature and speak Her truth, then Nature cleaves to us and upholds our truth. And our gratitude goes to you, who in continually pointing out the signs and wonders of these field-mandalas have ever been as the voice of One crying in the Wilderness, Make curved the Way of the GrlJ! And did you notice our Jellyfish's seven exoteric chakras, leading one vertically up the central sushumna-filaments to the esoteric five within the ever-present round of the eighth -- the non-doing, Niyama round of Jacob's Ladder, the Ashtanga-Yoga Heavenly Tree? With the root below the base (pure Prakriti), the central seven, and the crowning glory above (pure Purusha, the Adam Cadmon), you have your full complement of nine (vertical) stages, or mandalas -- thou art the Tenth, the totality ItSelf, the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish ... which actually contains a co-creative matrix of 12 and is itself the 0 and the 13 :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On 08/30/2011 02:11 PM, Vaj wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D Actually independent researchers found that regular mantra meditation lowered blood pressure better than TM - actually so did everything else. TM, it turned out was the worst at lowering BP. See Files TM Research TM-BPDeception.jpg The TM Blood Pressure Deception: Don't believe the lies in the FFL files section. Yes, a lot of meditation techniques will lower blood pressure. Of course that might not be so useful if the person already has low blood pressure. That might increase kapha. There is an interesting correlation between mantra effects and the autonomic nervous system and whether one is sympathetic dominant (vata) or parasympathetic dominant (kapha).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him. Many of you appear to be afraid of Buddha-cide and are clinging to subtle, and ultimately silly experiences. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
I'll teach any homeless person for free (if they are stable enough). But it won't be TM but the meditation technique I been given to teach through my tantra studies. It included shaktipat for the jump start. On 08/30/2011 02:39 PM, seekliberation wrote: I know well over a dozen close friends and family very intrigued by TM, but $1500 is way out of question. $375 would be great, even $500 is reasonable. I'm sure many TMer's know many friends that are in the same boat. Apparently, either TMO or MMY are not good at math. Perhaps some people in America could drop $1500 easily, but there are also many working class people who are barely making ends meet who could benefit a lot from TM. The $1500 price, IMO, is putting it out of reach for those who get their hands dirty for a living. A basic working class man/woman who makes 40k per year who wants a decent place to stay and medical care along with children/family, wellyou can kiss a $1500 spiritual technique goodbye. This whole 'Top-Down' theory is what I think partly inspired the ridiculous price. The idea was to get rich, wealthy, powerful and famous people to practice, and all of a sudden it would trickle down, just like Reaganomics. Hopefully the whole DLF thing works out. But I doubt we're going to have a mass population take up the practice given the current price. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaigLEnglish5@ wrote: Everyone constantly harps on how much TM costs. They are full of it. From the David Lynch website: Funding Target: $75,000 per year for each specially trained teacher to provide an intensive 12-month program of individualized instruction and follow-up in the Transcendental Meditation program for 200 at-risk veterans. Total funding: 50 trainers to serve 10,000 at-risk veterans: $3.75 million. That's $75,000/200 = $375 per vet including initial instruction and regular checking in a formal setting for 12 months. Nice. With the huge success the DLF is having around the world this could easily by the new policy adopted by the TMO ! http://dlf.tv/2010/annie/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Buddha-cide!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him. Many of you appear to be afraid of Buddha-cide and are clinging to subtle, and ultimately silly experiences. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: ah, you're full of it Rory. * * Indeed we are, Jim! Between This and That, we are full of it twice over! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Well, from what you have said, practice has dropped away, which implies that you no longer do TM, or, at least, have made the assumption that you don't need the mantra in order to meditate. While I don't claim that clear thinking is required for TM, I have often found that when I am ill or otherwise stressed, my mantra can appear in a more gross form than at other times, and I would hesitate to make claims about practice dropping away. After all, if there are still periods of thoughts, emotions, awareness of breathing, noting a common sound like a fan etc., during TM, than despite any 24 hour witnessing one might report, there's still further refinement of the nervous system that can occur. Someone in fully mature CC shouldn't have ANY thoughts, mantra, or anything for the entire meditation period. The most anyone has ever seen is one female subject who has been meditating for many decades (more than me at 3.8 decades), who showed the PC state more than 50% of her meditation period in a couple of different studies on PC during meditation. Oh, and my BP is low-normal despite being 100-150 pounds overweight, though my resting pulse is 30-40 points higher than yours. I need to lose weight and exercise more. You? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Based on my experience, you may be right. Despite having meditated for 35 years, I continue to have higher bp than I'd like, but my resting pulse averages 50 bpm, so I hope that makes up for it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: They're just beej mantras, Lawson. Nothing really unique about them. Get over it. You could get the same results or better with other techniques but no one else wants to spend the money to do so. Only corporate meditation companies do so. :-D Actually independent researchers found that regular mantra meditation lowered blood pressure better than TM - actually so did everything else. TM, it turned out was the worst at lowering BP. See Files TM Research TM-BPDeception.jpg The TM Blood Pressure Deception: Don't believe the lies in the FFL files section.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
it WAS a gimme...:-u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: ah, you're full of it Rory. * * Indeed we are, Jim! Between This and That, we are full of it twice over! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
it WAS a gimme...:-u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: ah, you're full of it Rory. * * Indeed we are, Jim! Between This and That, we are full of it twice over! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Problem with that is that the organization simply won't recognize someone who learned that way as a real TMer and won't provide the free checking sessions to them. Nor can they learn advanced techniques nor the TM-Sidhis. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On Aug 30, 2011, at 6:00 PM, sparaig wrote: A pretty picture with no attribution, doesn't prove anything at all. I hope you realize this and are merely being a troll. Otherwise, you're really far worse off than I thought. Pop a nitro and then you can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation -scroll down and keep your eyes on the right hand side. It's been well known and much discussed for a long time now, that TM is the worst meditation technique at lowering blood pressure. Even regular mantra meditation did a better job.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Church of the Giant radiantly luminous Jellyfish (GrlJ)
* * Yep! That's why I shared it with you :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: it WAS a gimme...:-u --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: ah, you're full of it Rory. * * Indeed we are, Jim! Between This and That, we are full of it twice over! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
David Orme-Johnson's rebuttal to the study that graphic is from. I have no idea if what David says is valid, truthful, or whatever, but this is the other side of the story, at least: http://www.TruthAboutTM.org/truth/TMResearch/RebuttalofAHRQReview/index.cfm L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 6:00 PM, sparaig wrote: A pretty picture with no attribution, doesn't prove anything at all. I hope you realize this and are merely being a troll. Otherwise, you're really far worse off than I thought. Pop a nitro and then you can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation -scroll down and keep your eyes on the right hand side. It's been well known and much discussed for a long time now, that TM is the worst meditation technique at lowering blood pressure. Even regular mantra meditation did a better job.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:10 PM, sparaig wrote: David Orme-Johnson's rebuttal to the study that graphic is from. I have no idea if what David says is valid, truthful, or whatever, but this is the other side of the story, at least: http://www.TruthAboutTM.org/truth/TMResearch/RebuttalofAHRQReview/index.cfm It was no doubt devastating for him and the other researcher TB's.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
It's really okay. I have faith that the science will show the validity and solidarity of the meditation practices, both insight and mantra, because in my experience I know they both work spiritually. The science will catch up. The public policy will be guided as it should by the science. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:10 PM, sparaig wrote: David Orme-Johnson's rebuttal to the study that graphic is from. I have no idea if what David says is valid, truthful, or whatever, but this is the other side of the story, at least: http://www.TruthAboutTM.org/truth/TMResearch/RebuttalofAHRQReview/index.cfm It was no doubt devastating for him and the other researcher TB's.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military Yogic-Flying
Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an international journal
Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson DW, Singh K, Leffler D. Create an
international military Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice of
Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces war and
terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an international
group practicing this technology of consciousness be created in Kashmir to
create coherence in collective consciousness there as a basis for achieving
harmonious political and military solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
Peace
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military Yogic-Flying
Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an international journal
Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson DW, Singh K, Leffler D. Create
an international military Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir. Pakistan Defence,
2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice of
Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces war and
terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an international
group practicing this technology of consciousness be created in Kashmir to
create coherence in collective consciousness there as a basis for achieving
harmonious political and military solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
Peace
on
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an
international journal Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson DW,
Singh K, Leffler D. Create an international military Yogic-Flying Zone in
Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice of
Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces war and
terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an international
group practicing this technology of consciousness be created in Kashmir to
create coherence in collective consciousness there as a basis for achieving
harmonious political and military solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
Peace
on
Earth
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an
international journal Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson DW,
Singh K, Leffler D. Create an international military Yogic-Flying Zone in
Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice of
Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces war
and terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an
international group practicing this technology of consciousness be
created in Kashmir to create coherence in collective consciousness there
as a basis for achieving harmonious political and military solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
Om
Peace
on
Earth
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an
international journal Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson DW,
Singh K, Leffler D. Create an international military Yogic-Flying Zone
in Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice
of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces
war and terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an
international group practicing this technology of consciousness be
created in Kashmir to create coherence in collective consciousness
there as a basis for achieving harmonious political and military
solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion
has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan at
a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
P.
O.
E.
Om
Peace
on
Earth
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an
international journal Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson
DW, Singh K, Leffler D. Create an international military Yogic-Flying
Zone in Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group practice
of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program reduces
war and terrorism and creates harmony in society. It suggests that an
international group practicing this technology of consciousness be
created in Kashmir to create coherence in collective consciousness
there as a basis for achieving harmonious political and military
solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian religion
has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered Afghanistan
at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic
culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
Looks like Alex's server is burping again. The count I have at 24 minutes after midnight UTC: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Aug 27 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 3 00:00:00 2011 272 messages as of (UTC) Wed Aug 31 00:24:48 2011 27 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 26 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com 23 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 18 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 16 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 14 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 14 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 12 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 12 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 11 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 10 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 10 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 9 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 9 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 7 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 4 FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com 4 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 4 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 3 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 3 John jr_...@yahoo.com 2 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 2 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 2 authfriend jst...@panix.com 1 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 1 wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com 1 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 1 Paulo Barbosa tprob...@terra.com.br Posters: 33 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com On 08/30/2011 05:16 PM, FFL PostCount wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Aug 27 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 03 00:00:00 2011 115 messages as of (UTC) Mon Aug 29 14:59:48 2011 11 curtisdeltabluescurtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 10 richardwillytexwilliamswilly...@yahoo.com 10 Ravi Yogiraviy...@att.net 9 raunchydograunchy...@yahoo.com 8 Yifuyifux...@yahoo.com 8 RoryGoffroryg...@hotmail.com 8 Buckdhamiltony...@yahoo.com 7 seventhray1steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 6 Robertbabajii...@yahoo.com 5 whynotnow7whynotn...@yahoo.com 5 cardemaisterno_re...@yahoogroups.com 4 turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 nablusoss1008no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Vajvajradh...@earthlink.net 3 Rick Archerr...@searchsummit.com 2 authfriendjst...@panix.com 2 Johnjr_...@yahoo.com 2 Denise Evansdmevans...@yahoo.com 1 wgm4uwg...@yahoo.com 1 obbajeebano_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 merudandano_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 emptybillemptyb...@yahoo.com 1 Tom Pallthomas.p...@gmail.com 1 Paulo Barbosatprob...@terra.com.br 1 Dick Maysdickm...@lisco.com 1 Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net 1 Alex Stanleyj_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Posters: 27 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
If the intention of TM is global world peace within the context of achieving and operating within higher planes of consciousness, than one would think that it would be free. The target population should be everyone if the goal is to raise the awareness of our global family, so to speak. IMHO, the organization should survive on donations (voluntary, not coerced) which I'm guessing would come as the benefits to individuals, corporations, institutions, political systems, the environment, and society at large started to roll on in. The issue for me is the fee at all, given the said mission statement. If it's all that, than it should be taught from a completely enlightened altruistic volunteer base..in keeping with the altruistic mission. Unfortunately, it's being sold like all connections to God are that have gone the corporate, commercial way. It is corrupted and in reality sells duality (us and them) instead of unity. It should be shared, not sold. And, as with all such messages, there are some good principlesthe same good principles that are in almost every religious and philosophical teaching out there in the world. These principles are not rocket science and there is no new information...just new and innovative ways to sell it. On the other side, perhaps if it were not marketed with these exclusionary precepts geared towards the individual ego, it would not be valued as worthwhile and embraced by those that practice. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:28 PM Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:10 PM, sparaig wrote: David Orme-Johnson's rebuttal to the study that graphic is from. I have no idea if what David says is valid, truthful, or whatever, but this is the other side of the story, at least: http://www.TruthAboutTM.org/truth/TMResearch/RebuttalofAHRQReview/index.cfm It was no doubt devastating for him and the other researcher TB's. Unless, of course, the criticisms leveled at the study are valid. DId you read any of them? There are two formal reviews (made by people WHILE they were reviewing the paper for publication and later published in protest against the paper being published in the form it was) linked to on David's webpage. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: New paper published in Pakistan on using TM to create harmony in Kashmir
an interlocking pattern of the words Peace On Earth, and Purity Of Essence.
Peace on Earth. Peace on Earth. Peace on Earth: P O E. Purity of essence. O P O
E. whispering O P E.
P.
O.
E.
Om
Peace
on
Earth
Dear Colleagues,
Here is a link to a new paper Create an International Military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir , which was recently published in an
international journal Pakistan Defence. (Hussain Khan, Orme-Johnson
DW, Singh K, Leffler D. Create an international military
Yogic-Flying Zone in Kashmir. Pakistan Defence, 2011).
http://www.defence.pk/20110823/create-international-military-yogic-flying-zone-kashmir/
The paper reviews the scientific evidence showing that group
practice of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi
program reduces war and terrorism and creates harmony in society.
It suggests that an international group practicing this technology
of consciousness be created in Kashmir to create coherence in
collective consciousness there as a basis for achieving harmonious
political and military solutions.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
{ P.O.E. }
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1
steve.sundur@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@
wrote:
Many people don't realize that the ancient Zoroastrian
religion has
its
roots in present day Afghanistan. Buddhism entered
Afghanistan at a
very
early period, and over the centuries, various rulers, both
non-Buddhist
and Buddhist, supported the widespread construction of
Buddhist
monasteries there. Afghanistan was once a centre of Vedic
culture.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Well, as I pointed out, the David Lynch Foundation's pilot project on 7,000 students in Rio de Janeiro is so successful that the school system has asked all the students in its one thousand schools (one million kids) to be put on the waiting list to learn. An organization comprised entirely of volunteers who survive off of good will donations by their students, won't be able to teach one million kids in one city, don't you agree? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: If the intention of TM is global world peace within the context of achieving and operating within higher planes of consciousness, than one would think that it would be free. Â The target population should be everyone if the goal is to raise the awareness of our global family, so to speak. IMHO, the organization should survive on donations (voluntary, not coerced) which I'm guessing would come as the benefits to individuals, corporations, institutions, political systems, the environment, and society at large started to roll on in. The issue for me is the fee at all, given the said mission statement. Â If it's all that, than it should be taught from a completely enlightened altruistic volunteer base..in keeping with the altruistic mission. Â Unfortunately, it's being sold like all connections to God are that have gone the corporate, commercial way. Â It is corrupted and in reality sells duality (us and them) instead of unity. Â It should be shared, not sold. Â And, as with all such messages, there are some good principlesthe same good principles that are in almost every religious and philosophical teaching out there in the world. Â These principles are not rocket science and there is no new information...just new and innovative ways to sell it. Â On the other side, perhaps if it were not marketed with these exclusionary precepts geared towards the individual ego, it would not be valued as worthwhile and embraced by those that practice. Â Â --- On Tue, 8/30/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:28 PM Â Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Aug 27 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat Sep 03 00:00:00 2011 289 messages as of (UTC) Wed Aug 31 01:02:23 2011 27 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 26 RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com 23 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 20 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 16 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 15 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 14 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 14 richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com 13 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 12 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 12 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 10 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 9 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 9 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 8 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 7 Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com 5 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 4 John jr_...@yahoo.com 2 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com 2 obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 authfriend jst...@panix.com 1 wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com 1 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 1 azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 1 Paulo Barbosa tprob...@terra.com.br 1 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com Posters: 31 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Yeah, it is too bad that such a precious technique is so expensive. When I learned it was 65 bucks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: If the intention of TM is global world peace within the context of achieving and operating within higher planes of consciousness, than one would think that it would be free. Â The target population should be everyone if the goal is to raise the awareness of our global family, so to speak. IMHO, the organization should survive on donations (voluntary, not coerced) which I'm guessing would come as the benefits to individuals, corporations, institutions, political systems, the environment, and society at large started to roll on in. The issue for me is the fee at all, given the said mission statement. Â If it's all that, than it should be taught from a completely enlightened altruistic volunteer base..in keeping with the altruistic mission. Â Unfortunately, it's being sold like all connections to God are that have gone the corporate, commercial way. Â It is corrupted and in reality sells duality (us and them) instead of unity. Â It should be shared, not sold. Â And, as with all such messages, there are some good principlesthe same good principles that are in almost every religious and philosophical teaching out there in the world. Â These principles are not rocket science and there is no new information...just new and innovative ways to sell it. Â On the other side, perhaps if it were not marketed with these exclusionary precepts geared towards the individual ego, it would not be valued as worthwhile and embraced by those that practice. Â Â --- On Tue, 8/30/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:28 PM Â Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Yep, it has its limitations. I learned my siddhis through work/study but I was in my 20's. Not so feasible now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Problem with that is that the organization simply won't recognize someone who learned that way as a real TMer and won't provide the free checking sessions to them. Nor can they learn advanced techniques nor the TM-Sidhis. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with TM with many different people, it must have a common resonance within each of us. Must go back a long way. Old stuff. Like Maharishi said, There's nothing new under the sun. This is so beautiful Jim, thanks for posting this ! You seem to write from your own experience, am I right ? What else is there to say than; Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world
I actually realized that I was off-topicI was just playing on the word because I was feeling so liberated...temporary...but I felt almost euphoric from the freedom of being off-line from family and friends and having 2 days alone. I have thought long and hard about the concept of karma..I have accessed the Akashic records (to help explain what could not be explained). I think it's kind of a cosmic karmic joke that we must live out our lives in a physical body, yet, when we die and are reborn, we can take none of the lessons with us consciously into our new life to assist us. What is the point? Ultimately, I have decided that I simply cannot worry about my progress as a soul through what has been and may be thousands more lifetimes in various forms. I think it is more important that I figure out how to live in this one liberated from (insert word of choice). It can all be boiled down into one thing probablyfaith...and the kind of action that disseminates from that. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:10 PM Denise Evans: The word liberation came to mind in the last several days when I dropped my new cell phone... Nice, but I don't think Turq was talking about the kind of 'liberation' you get from taking a vacation with no cell phone. A Buddhist like Turq would be talking about liberation from suffering and avoiding the endless round of rebirth and samsara. If we are free, then there would be no need for a technique of liberation. If we are free, then we are not bound to a belief in 'karma', since karma means the result of past and future actions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world
Thank you for making me smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Ah yes...I remember my projects were like my babies, at one point.  I nurtured them along and was always available.  I didn't go on vacation without work for about 10 years.  I was passionate about my work, and now, I can't find the drive.  It's gone.  I have to start doing more than waiting for it to return as I have a feeling it's not coming back in the same context. I am not passionate about my work. Yes, I have a drive to come through for my customers, but that may be a different trait altogether that expresses itself in business in that way. Or it may be a symptom of OC. In a small business of less than 10 people the owner is likely the CEO, the CFO, and COO. CEO doesn't mean much in regards to vacation. CFO can make arrangments to cover contingincies before going on vacation. It is the function of the COO that comes into play during a vacation. What makes me smile is to hear you describe aspects that I associate with corporate life - your projects, your babies. I feel none of that. I am just trying to keep my operation going. I am in a business where small doesn't usually survive. In fact my biggest competitor has fallen on hard times and recently had to sell their business. And to be totally honest, my daughter just started the ninth grade. When she graduates in four years, I hope to have different options available. I need to try to hold out until then. And that brings up a different kind of quandry. One I don't think a lot about, but of which I'm aware. And that is the notion of living in the present. These are fun and special times with the family, and I don't want to miss or hurry anything, but I can't help but have an eye out for a time when I may have a little more freedom, (and a little less pressure). I see your point, however, about your business...at least you control a larger aspect of your livelihood and your life and your time -  that is good. The feeling of freedom from being solo for two days and unreachable too was so great and rejuvenating - a kind of irresponsible high.  But it's not something that can be sustained for long :( Here's my fantasy: (I don't know if it is legitimate or just escapism). When possible I just want to disconnect for a week, or maybe two weeks. A wilderness sort of thing. I figure that it will produce a real shift in my awareness (new age speak I guess). I don't see it happening for many years. I could go on and on in this vein, but I'll leave it here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction
Not on the good will of the studentson the good will of the enlightened sharing the knowledge with the students. For example, a coordinated organization of vacations to sequentially teach. Mormons and the evangelical's require/encourage missions of their members to spread the word. Is not the TM organization a religion really with an intact belief system and principles for worship and faith (as defined by Maharishi and exercised by its members) based (perhaps loosely) on the Hindu religion? --- On Tue, 8/30/11, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:02 PM Well, as I pointed out, the David Lynch Foundation's pilot project on 7,000 students in Rio de Janeiro is so successful that the school system has asked all the students in its one thousand schools (one million kids) to be put on the waiting list to learn. An organization comprised entirely of volunteers who survive off of good will donations by their students, won't be able to teach one million kids in one city, don't you agree? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: If the intention of TM is global world peace within the context of achieving and operating within higher planes of consciousness, than one would think that it would be free. Â The target population should be everyone if the goal is to raise the awareness of our global family, so to speak. IMHO, the organization should survive on donations (voluntary, not coerced) which I'm guessing would come as the benefits to individuals, corporations, institutions, political systems, the environment, and society at large started to roll on in. The issue for me is the fee at all, given the said mission statement. Â If it's all that, than it should be taught from a completely enlightened altruistic volunteer base..in keeping with the altruistic mission. Â Unfortunately, it's being sold like all connections to God are that have gone the corporate, commercial way. Â It is corrupted and in reality sells duality (us and them) instead of unity. Â It should be shared, not sold. Â And, as with all such messages, there are some good principlesthe same good principles that are in almost every religious and philosophical teaching out there in the world. Â These principles are not rocket science and there is no new information...just new and innovative ways to sell it. Â On the other side, perhaps if it were not marketed with these exclusionary precepts geared towards the individual ego, it would not be valued as worthwhile and embraced by those that practice. Â Â --- On Tue, 8/30/11, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The unreasonable price of TM instruction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:28 PM Â Sometimes you can find former TM teachers who have decided to teach the technique for less than the official price, but it is still TM. A friend of mine learned that way. Used to be a guy here in the SF Bay Area, but he went to India and hasn't been back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Great post, now all we have to do is try to get this experience out to more people. Kind of hard to do at the current price. Does anyone know if there are any significant talks about reducing the price throughout America? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Wherever the TM Mantras came from, and the subtle instructions for their use, must have been from a very ancient consciousness - from before time, as corny as that sounds. Otherwise the technique would not transcend itself, and eventually become an all time soundless vibration, no matter who the person. The mantras would remain mantras, and we would keep on seeking the goal of establishing silence within ourselves through the practice of TM. Instead, there is the possibility with TM to have the mantra continue silently, to find it as a quiet current of feeling throughout each day and night vs. practicing it 20 min. 2x a day. Anything ever present like the air we breathe, we stop thinking about, and the same way with the TM mantra. After awhile, the practice just drops away and the mantra becomes ever present, still effortlessly, though a lot more subtle than doing TM. No need to practice anymore. So, if the mantra transcending itself can occur with
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world
Ah yes...hanging on. I did this for my older daughter who is now gratefully in college, where she was invited to a party on Day 1 where the frat boys gave the incoming freshman shots of alcohol. She declined, walked home, and will not join a sorority. Yeah! I have a younger daughter who is also starting 9th grade...except that I am unemployed and am coming to the sad conclusion that I have to hang on now for another 4 years and maybe longer with her as she has serious learning disabilities and other issues and is likely not leaving the nest in the traditional way. But, we had kids, right? Hence the responsibility. I want to feel passion about what I do next...I want it to feel like it means something. But, that is fantasy as well, and although I am visualizing what I want, I will take what comes my way and pray that I don't lose everything in the process of retooling. I could deal with it, but it would be rough on the kid. I think my point is that disconnecting helps to reinvigorate our souls..particularly if it involves a wilderness adventure that provides ample opportunity to reconnect with the planet and ourselves. I think it's required for me that I build this in, somehow. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The liberation of dropping the concept of liberation - Not in my world To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 7:37 PM Thank you for making me smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Ah yes...I remember my projects were like my babies, at one point.  I nurtured them along and was always available.  I didn't go on vacation without work for about 10 years.  I was passionate about my work, and now, I can't find the drive.  It's gone.  I have to start doing more than waiting for it to return as I have a feeling it's not coming back in the same context. I am not passionate about my work. Yes, I have a drive to come through for my customers, but that may be a different trait altogether that expresses itself in business in that way. Or it may be a symptom of OC. In a small business of less than 10 people the owner is likely the CEO, the CFO, and COO. CEO doesn't mean much in regards to vacation. CFO can make arrangments to cover contingincies before going on vacation. It is the function of the COO that comes into play during a vacation. What makes me smile is to hear you describe aspects that I associate with corporate life - your projects, your babies. I feel none of that. I am just trying to keep my operation going. I am in a business where small doesn't usually survive. In fact my biggest competitor has fallen on hard times and recently had to sell their business. And to be totally honest, my daughter just started the ninth grade. When she graduates in four years, I hope to have different options available. I need to try to hold out until then. And that brings up a different kind of quandry. One I don't think a lot about, but of which I'm aware. And that is the notion of living in the present. These are fun and special times with the family, and I don't want to miss or hurry anything, but I can't help but have an eye out for a time when I may have a little more freedom, (and a little less pressure). I see your point, however, about your business...at least you control a larger aspect of your livelihood and your life and your time -  that is good. The feeling of freedom from being solo for two days and unreachable too was so great and rejuvenating - a kind of irresponsible high.  But it's not something that can be sustained for long :( Here's my fantasy: (I don't know if it is legitimate or just escapism). When possible I just want to disconnect for a week, or maybe two weeks. A wilderness sort of thing. I figure that it will produce a real shift in my awareness (new age speak I guess). I don't see it happening for many years. I could go on and on in this vein, but I'll leave it here.
