[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > *To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
> > > > behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
> > > > truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
> > > > he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
> > > > behave in the manner he described. This might make
> > > > for an interesting discussion if we could get off
> > > > the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.
> > > 
> > > Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana.
> > 
> > OK, great clarification and explanation. But MMY *did*
> > describe the alleged behavior of enlightened people.
> 
> I don't know that he described the behavior of enlightened
> people per se, but only pointed out that some behavior
> might be more enlighten-ING (life supportive) than other
> behavior, in general.

Well, you and raunchy are making me doubt, now. I could
have sworn I remembered hearing descriptions of
enlightened behavior, but I can't recall the context. I
wasn't thinking of behavioral rasayanas; I know "sweet
truth" is one, but I had thought it was descriptive as
well as prescriptive. Maybe not.

> One cannot JUDGE another persons' enlightenment merely on
> the level of their behavior if one is unenlightened, I
> believe is a broader expression of his observations on the
> topic. 

Yes, as I was pointing out in my original post. What's
quoted above was just a footnote to that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > *To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
> > > behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
> > > truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
> > > he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
> > > behave in the manner he described. This might make
> > > for an interesting discussion if we could get off
> > > the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.
> > 
> > Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana.
> 
> OK, great clarification and explanation. But MMY *did*
> describe the alleged behavior of enlightened people.
> 

I don't know that he described the behavior of enlightened people per se, but 
only pointed out that some behavior might be more enlighten-ING (life 
supportive) than other behavior, in general.

One cannot JUDGE another persons' enlightenment merely on the level of their 
behavior if one is unenlightened, I believe is a broader expression of his 
observations on the topic. 

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> Steve, life is more complicated than you care to
> recognize.


Between you and Robin, it sounds like I've got a lot of schooling ahead
of me.  Maybe the two of you can join forces and come up with a
ciriculum for me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

 I added Edg to the Hypocrites"R"Us list with great difficulty, I have
always respected him based upon his past posts, his rebellious
independent minded-ness. I really admired his courageousness and ability
to be so blunt at some of his posts from 2005 I think.  But he failed
today, could just be senility perhaps. And the fact that he thinks
Curtis has some kind of integrity and honesty..WTF?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.
> Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> marekravis, zarzari_786
> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71 aka
> Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> Anderson
> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi,>
> > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
the
> > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
fauna
> > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > Here are some snippets.>
> > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is
as
> > follows>
> > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> Associated
> > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > perversion, deception
> >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> cold
> > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed
> > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> avoid
> > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> anyone,
> > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> use
> > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> Robin's,
> > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > *To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
> > behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
> > truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
> > he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
> > behave in the manner he described. This might make
> > for an interesting discussion if we could get off
> > the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.
> 
> Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana.

OK, great clarification and explanation. But MMY *did*
describe the alleged behavior of enlightened people.


> By following the traditional values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi 
> believed one's path in life presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good 
> health and enlightenment. Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to 
> all human beings in all cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well 
> traveled road describes the territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. 
> 
> Behaviors and attitudes to maximize:
> 
> Love
> Compassion
> Speech that uplifts people
> Cleanliness
> Charity and regular donation
> Religious observance
> Respect toward teachers and elders
> Being positive
> Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex
> Simplicity
> 
> Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided:
> 
> Anger
> Violence
> Harsh or hurtful speech
> Conceit
> Speaking ill of others behind their backs
> Egotism * Dishonesty
> Coveting another's spouse or wealth
> 
> http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html
> 
> Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as 
> human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife 
> is a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically 
> obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing 
> in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be 
> as abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, 
> justice and sacred cows the next day. 
> 
> I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with 
> absolute fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more 
> fairness in how in how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. 
> 
> IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of 
> behavioral rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They 
> consistently treat others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive 
> assholes with a long list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a 
> fuck about treating others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the 
> sweet truth. So sayeth raunchydog, not so sweetly.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

This June 2010and your email address clearly matched then, that is how I
know your name. I just checked and you don't seem to have a profile
anymore. Don't play games with the mad intelligence of this Telugu
Brahmin, OK?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> I hardly ever use facebook, and have very few friends on it, less than
10. They are people active in the TM movement. We have mutual friends
active in the TM movement? Or are you lying? Or do you really even have
any idea who you are talking about?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my
friend suggestions.
> >
> > Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a
lifeless depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they
are free since you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > > Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you
in my enlightened mania.
> > >
> > > You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly
motherfucker.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69" shukra69@ wrote:
> > >
> > >> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse
of being mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously
and in bad faith.
> > >>
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden
posts drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from
this forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry
disputes with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses
such as those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators
have any respect for their own forum, they should take action on this
issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent
fantasies he should find another place to do it.
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" 
wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is
sinful by resolution and no good for the community here. He is not
contributing to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of
spiritual abuse. As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff.
This is needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should
unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to
speak. Unsubscribe him now.
> > >> > > -Buck
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up
call. Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just
getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in
the headers:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his
power in a cult to prey on innocent women"
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting
here, I considered unlisting. Not because someone said something
inflammatory and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet
tolling. I have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I
really can't win here. The amount of energy such an individual can
expend on such a malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts
mercifully) So first thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could
have an impact on me professionally, due to the amount of material being
generated here. It makes me look like someone with a controversial past
which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will
just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this
will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search
engines for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term
like "pervert" is malicious.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet
freedom and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's
right to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to
chances of that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my
Facebook page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I
can control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign
here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this point
unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive nature of
his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would
cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend
myself. So in the manor used for credit report where someone malicious
has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be
adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so
that my position is clear concerning these charges. It will also serve
as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Evidence for what?

> Speaking plainly.  Clearly.  Addressing an issue straight on
> without parsing, without hedging.  A simple, straightfoward
> way of communicating.

You meant "example," then, not "evidence."

> Something people avoid when they wish to obfuscate. If that
> is not clear to you, then I suggest revise the code of ethics
> you claim to live by.

Steve, life is more complicated than you care to 
recognize.


> > 
> > > So, if you should be interested in what I for one, would
> > > consider an appropiate response, then there it is.
> >
> > As I pointed out in my response to Susan, I've also
> > explained at length, several times, why I didn't post
> > a similar response. But it seems you've missed those
> > as well. What raunchy wrote is irrelevant to the issue
> > I'm dealing with, as you'd have realized if you were
> > more conscientious about reading the traffic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> Evidence for what?
Speaking plainly.  Clearly.  Addressing an issue straight on without
parsing, without hedging.  A simple, straightfoward way of
communicating.  Something people avoid when they wish to obfuscate.   If
that is not clear to you, then I suggest revise the code of ethics you
claim to live by.
> 
> > So, if you should be interested in what I for one, would
> > consider an appropiate response, then there it is.
>
> As I pointed out in my response to Susan, I've also
> explained at length, several times, why I didn't post
> a similar response. But it seems you've missed those
> as well. What raunchy wrote is irrelevant to the issue
> I'm dealing with, as you'd have realized if you were
> more conscientious about reading the traffic.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[shukra69]

I hardly ever use facebook, and have very few friends on it, less than 10. They 
are people active in the TM movement. We have mutual friends active in the TM 
movement? Or are you lying? Or do you really even have any idea who you are 
talking about? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my friend 
> suggestions.
> 
> Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a lifeless 
> depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they are free since 
> you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
> > Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
> > enlightened mania.
> > 
> > You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
> > 
> >> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
> >> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
> >> faith.
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts 
> >> > drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this 
> >> > forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry 
> >> > disputes with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses 
> >> > such as those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators 
> >> > have any respect for their own forum, they should take action on this 
> >> > issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent 
> >> > fantasies he should find another place to do it. 
> >> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
> >> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing 
> >> > > to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. 
> >> > > As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is 
> >> > > needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should 
> >> > > unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to 
> >> > > speak. Unsubscribe him now.
> >> > > -Buck 
> >> > > 
> >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
> >> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
> >> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this 
> >> > > > in the headers:
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a 
> >> > > > cult to prey on innocent women"
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
> >> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something 
> >> > > > inflammatory and untrue about me, but this is a special case of 
> >> > > > Internet tolling. I have become a repetitive negative focus for 
> >> > > > someone and I really can't win here. The amount of energy such an 
> >> > > > individual can expend on such a malicious project is endless (within 
> >> > > > the 50 posts mercifully) So first thanks and props to Steve who gets 
> >> > > > that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to the 
> >> > > > amount of material being generated here. It makes me look like 
> >> > > > someone with a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how 
> >> > > > many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for 
> >> > > > more posting. Flooding a forum like this will a lie repetitively is 
> >> > > > a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines for anyone 
> >> > > > checking me out here. Being associated with a term like "pervert" is 
> >> > > > malicious. 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom 
> >> > > > and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's 
> >> > > > right to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to 
> >> > > > chances of that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my 
> >> > > > Facebook page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, 
> >> > > > but I can control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this 
> >> > > > campaign here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this 
> >> > > > point unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive 
> >> > > > nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that 
> >> > > > they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able 
> >> > > > to defend myself. So in the manor used for credit report where 
> >> > > > someone malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your 
> >> > > > credit, I will be adding a sta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes Lawson, that is indeed a big majority. Thank you for your corrections.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:04 PM, "sparaig"  wrote:

> You forgot the don'tgiveacrap'R'US contingent.
> 
> L.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.
> > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71 aka
> > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> > Anderson
> > Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,>
> > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
> > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
> > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
> > > follows>
> > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > Associated
> > > with cults, intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > perversion, deception
> > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> > cold
> > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed
> > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> > avoid
> > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > anyone,
> > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> > use
> > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > Robin's,
> > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > Oh, wait, maybe you *did* see my explanation after all.
> > Which means you could easily have formulated the question
> > straightforwardly and inoffensively after you saw the
> > explanation, but you chose not to. For example:
> > 
> > "Judy, I know you oppose lying, but you didn't speak up
> > about this one of Ravi's. Why not?"
> 
> Judy you knew what I was asking and I did not ask it
> offensively.

One more time: Your questions were offensive because they
were disingenuous. You knew what my position was and is.

> You chose not to answer at that time. You wanted to
> address other issues, like Barry.

> I wanted to point specifically to the lie as the main
> point.  You did not want to

I would have answered the question as I rephrased it
above then and there.

> and I think you did not feel the lie was the main point.

Of course it was the main point. But it was the main
point in more than one single context.

> > That's a perfectly reasonable question, and I wouldn't
> > have had the slightest hesitation about answering it,
> > just as I've explained it in other posts.
> >   
> > I'll also remind you and Steve that I made it clear what
> > I thought of the lie by referring to it multiple times
> > as "Ravi's offensive accusation" and saying it was
> > "obviously untrue."
> >
> I followed much of the discussion, but certainly missed a
> clear statement, multiple times or anytime, that you 
> thought "Ravi's  offensive accusation" was "obviously
> untrue."

>From my post #300641:

[...]
Instead of the "losing it" remark, Curtis *could*, as
I pointed out in another post, have left Ravi twirling
in the wind by cooly denying the offensive accusation
and pointing out that if it had been true, that kind of
serious misbehavior would have been hung around Curtis's
neck long since.

But Curtis didn't do that. Instead, on the basis of my
three-word comment, he accused me of supporting Ravi and
of hypocrisy for not calling Ravi out on his obviously
untrue accusation, *when Curtis hadn't bothered to do so
himself*.
[...]
Especially given that *Curtis himself* took Ravi's
offensive accusation so lightly at first that he didn't
even bother to deny it, until he saw he could take self-
serving advantage of it and take his revenge on me and
Ravi at the same time, while Curtis himself would come
out smelling like a rose--a poor victimized rose, one
with no taint of corrupt behavior.
[...]

> Glad to hear you said it. Maybe I lost that in reading all
> the other issues that got triggered.  I don't argue in the
> style you do - don't have that ability even if I wanted to.
> I like to get to the point and stay on point.  To me this
> whole thing was about a really crude and nasty lie that
> could hurt someone's work life.  It had nothing to do with
> Barry or Curtis and other people's behaviors and what they
> mean to you or anyone else.

Right. So you've made it clear you don't think you need
to bother knowing what others' issues may be, and you're
going to do your best to force them to deal with *your*
issue, regardless of how important their issues may be
to them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Ravi Chivukula]

LOL..

Krishna's darling Gopi, Obba to the rescue.

Everyone here supposedly uses false handles except perhaps for a few folks such 
as Rick, Bob and I.

Yet these people go on and on with their inane discussions. OK yes I admit to 
having insulted the handles - curtisfeltablues and turquoiseb, shukra69..LOL..

Oh no curtisfeltablues wants to enter the high tech industry since the spare 
change he makes from his trailer trash, hillbilly music is not enough and Ravi 
Chivukula spread malicious lies on the handle curtisfeltablues..LOL..

They are so attached to even the fake id's they create but it's all opinion, 
POV's as they say, no truth as curtisfeltablues and turquoiseb constantly 
remind us. Aah but why does it hurt so much. I think I really hit at 
curtisfeltablues's weaknesses, there's gotta be something more to this that he 
doesn't want to admit. Clearly there's more and he wants this discussion to 
end..:-)

What pathetic, false lives they live, false beliefs they insulate themselves.

Hypocrisy and ridiculousness rules supreme here.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:50 PM, obbajeeba  wrote:

> Nice sunset, Ravi.
> But,I think you posted a lie. The lie is the sun has set and it not the same 
> view as before since you posted this photo. So that is not telling the truth, 
> because now is all that exists and you called that a sunset. No lying allowed 
> on FFL. Nope. Everyone needs to just tell the truth. Name, birth date, social 
> security numbers (those are supposed to be confidential, but credit card 
> companies can use them now.) Driver's license numbers and insurance agent. 
> Please give a detailed education background,including preschools attended. 
> Mobil phone numbers are a must! Please show any and all medical records and 
> all court orders on your profile, it is necessary as the wayback machine 
> counsels you to do so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13urnxh3w4. 
> The sun has not set, Ravi. Ravi shines from all locations from the center of 
> our solar system. The rest of us only get to view his greatness as we spin 
> around all crazy and such, thousands of miles per hour, no wonder our heads 
> are spinning, thinking Ravi lies. : )
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Sunset, Venice Beach Jan 8, 2011
> > 
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/73243621@N07/6663473701
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > 
> > > I even saw a couple of girls in bikinis, hello welcome to Southern 
> > > California :-). I can for at least look past Ravi's unhealed personal 
> > > wounds and share in the joy of families and couples around.
> > > 
> > > I thought I would post out by Monday so I can focus on work. I clearly 
> > > have failed :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > 
> > >> OK cool. I have moved on, to the beach, to watch the beautiful Sunset. 
> > >> Living a block away from a crowded beach is such a pleasure.
> > >> 
> > >> Love,
> > >> Ravi
> > >> 
> > >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Susan,
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She 
> > >>> > knew exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was 
> > >>> > lying as well.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to 
> > >>> start with, even if you are replying to lies of others. As we all know, 
> > >>> lying by one person does not justify lying by another. It simply 
> > >>> perpetuates the mess.
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of 
> > >>> > lies. Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more 
> > >>> > subtle, complex. And they don't even admit to their lying and 
> > >>> > deception, they have so much emotional investment.
> > >>> 
> > >>> I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my 
> > >>> life that is objective.
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that 
> > >>> > you are forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one 
> > >>> > > > of
> > >>> > > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement 
> > >>> > > > with
> > >>> > > > her opinions and observations.
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > But here is something I have found instr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> *To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
> behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
> truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
> he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
> behave in the manner he described. This might make
> for an interesting discussion if we could get off
> the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.
>

Speaking the sweet truth is a behavioral rasayana. By following the traditional 
values, of one's cultural heritage, Maharishi believed one's path in life 
presented fewer roadblocks to well being, good health and enlightenment. 
Behavioral rasyanas are universally fundamental to all human beings in all 
cultures. The behavioral rasyana map of a well traveled road describes the 
territory, not the consciousness of the traveler. 

Behaviors and attitudes to maximize:

Love
Compassion
Speech that uplifts people
Cleanliness
Charity and regular donation
Religious observance
Respect toward teachers and elders
Being positive
Moderation and self-control, especially with regard to alcohol and sex
Simplicity

Behaviors and attitudes to be avoided:

Anger
Violence
Harsh or hurtful speech
Conceit
Speaking ill of others behind their backs
Egotism * Dishonesty
Coveting another's spouse or wealth

http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/behavioral_rasayana.html

Behavioral rasyanas describe the basic rules of how we treat each other as 
human beings. A society devoid of such behaviors descends into chaos. FFLife is 
a chaotic antimatter smashing machine of behavioral rasyanas, cynically 
obliterating, ridiculing, any sacred cow daring to lift its head from grazing 
in the pastures of social convention. Other than no porn, you are free to be as 
abusive and as childish as you like on one day and a warrior for truth, justice 
and sacred cows the next day. 

I'm not holding myself up as a model of always treating everyone with absolute 
fairness. I don't, nobody does. I prefer less chaos and more fairness in how in 
how we treat each other on FFLife, I just don't expect it. 

IMO the folks who have a longer check list in the positive column of behavioral 
rasyanas are more capable of speaking the sweet truth. They consistently treat 
others fairly. Just as reliably, self-centered abusive assholes with a long 
list of behaviors in the negative column don't give a fuck about treating 
others respectfully and are incapable of speaking the sweet truth. So sayeth 
raunchydog, not so sweetly. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[sparaig]

You forgot the don'tgiveacrap'R'US contingent.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.
> Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> marekravis, zarzari_786
> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71 aka
> Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> Anderson
> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,>
> > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
> > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
> > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > Here are some snippets.>
> > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
> > follows>
> > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> Associated
> > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > perversion, deception
> >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> cold
> > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed
> > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> avoid
> > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> anyone,
> > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> use
> > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> Robin's,
> > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Group rate for TM in US schools now $300/student for 10 months

[sparaig]

http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/schools.html

10 month program costs $300 per student per 2000 students: $600,000 per school 
year. That's 1 teacher for every 200 students, including 10 month structured 
followup and the life-time free checking. That's a decent price, IMHO.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[obbajeeba]

Nice sunset, Ravi.
But,I think you posted a lie. The lie is the sun has set and it not the same 
view as before since you posted this photo. So that is not telling the truth, 
because now is all that exists and you called that a sunset. No lying allowed 
on FFL. Nope. Everyone needs to just tell the truth. Name, birth date, social 
security numbers (those are supposed to be confidential, but credit card 
companies can use them now.) Driver's license numbers and insurance agent. 
Please give a detailed education background,including preschools attended. 
Mobil phone numbers are a must! Please show any and all medical records and all 
court orders on your profile, it is necessary as the wayback machine counsels 
you to do so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13urnxh3w4. 
The sun has not set, Ravi. Ravi shines from all locations from the center of 
our solar system. The rest of us only get to view his greatness as we spin 
around all crazy and such, thousands of miles per hour, no wonder our heads are 
spinning, thinking Ravi lies. : )


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Sunset, Venice Beach Jan 8, 2011
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/73243621@N07/6663473701
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
> > I even saw a couple of girls in bikinis, hello welcome to Southern 
> > California :-). I can for at least look past Ravi's unhealed personal 
> > wounds and share in the joy of families and couples around.
> > 
> > I thought I would post out by Monday so I can focus on work. I clearly have 
> > failed :-)
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > 
> >> OK cool. I have moved on, to the beach, to watch the beautiful Sunset. 
> >> Living a block away from a crowded beach is such a pleasure.
> >> 
> >> Love,
> >> Ravi
> >> 
> >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Susan,
> >>> > 
> >>> > I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew 
> >>> > exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as 
> >>> > well.
> >>> 
> >>> Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to 
> >>> start with, even if you are replying to lies of others. As we all know, 
> >>> lying by one person does not justify lying by another. It simply 
> >>> perpetuates the mess.
> >>> > 
> >>> > It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. 
> >>> > Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, 
> >>> > complex. And they don't even admit to their lying and deception, they 
> >>> > have so much emotional investment.
> >>> 
> >>> I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my 
> >>> life that is objective.
> >>> > 
> >>> > Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you 
> >>> > are forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 
> >>> 
> >>> You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.
> >>> 
> >>> Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
> >>> > 
> >>> > This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
> >>> > 
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> >>> > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
> >>> > > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement 
> >>> > > > with
> >>> > > > her opinions and observations.
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, 
> >>> > > > twice,
> >>> > > > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. 
> >>> > > > (New
> >>> > > > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
> >>> > > > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
> >>> > > > behavior for which he accused)
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest 
> >>> > > > broker
> >>> > > > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was 
> >>> > > > phrased
> >>> > > > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
> >>> > > > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she 
> >>> > > > said
> >>> > > > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, 
> >>> > > > "Susan
> >>> > > > knows I don't endorse lying..."
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you 
> >>> > > > stand
> >>> > > > up and oppose it?
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within 
> >>> > > seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed 
> >>> > > this one.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > > 
> >>> > > > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion 
> >>> > > > t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > I'll also remind you and Steve that I made it clear what
> > I thought of the lie by referring to it multiple times
> > as "Ravi's offensive accusation" and saying it was
> > "obviously untrue."
> >
> Judy,  perhaps that is the case.

Not "perhaps." It *was* the case.

> But evidently it was missed.

Passive voice is so useful when one doesn't want to
take responsibility for something, isn't it?

*You* missed it. You flit around reading a bit here
and a piece there, never getting the full picture,
and then you think you're in a position to express
an opinion about whatever's going on.

> May I present as evidence the comment Raunchy made
> earlier today in reference to Ravi's slander.

Evidence for what?


> So, if you should be interested in what I for one, would
> consider an appropiate response, then there it is.

As I pointed out in my response to Susan, I've also
explained at length, several times, why I didn't post
a similar response. But it seems you've missed those
as well. What raunchy wrote is irrelevant to the issue
I'm dealing with, as you'd have realized if you were
more conscientious about reading the traffic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point
> > > do you stand up and oppose it?
> > 
> > Exactly.  We all know Judy would normally stand up right
> > away - within seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend,
> > was lying. She missed this one.
> 
> She didn't miss it. She chose not to address it, for
> reasons she's explained until she's blue in the face.
> 
> 
> >   Of course I agree with you!  As you said, I did ask her
> > twice, humbling myself the second time so as give her an
> > chance to answer.  Judy could have used that question to
> > begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, from anyone's
> > lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
> 
> I explained why I wouldn't answer as well, but you decided
> you were going to bug out of the whole discussion, so it
> seems you never saw my explanation: Your questions were
> disingenuous.
> 
> > I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with
> > intelligence and honesty. That is why I was so surprised
> > that she would not call Ravi on intentionally lying about
> > Curtis.  Judy was right - I do know that she opposes lying,
> > but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped up.
> 
> Oh, wait, maybe you *did* see my explanation after all.
> Which means you could easily have formulated the question
> straightforwardly and inoffensively after you saw the
> explanation, but you chose not to. For example:
> 
> "Judy, I know you oppose lying, but you didn't speak up
> about this one of Ravi's. Why not?"

Judy you knew what I was asking and I did not ask it offensively.  You chose 
not to answer at that time. You wanted to address other issues, like Barry.  I 
wanted to point specifically to the lie as the main point.  You  did not want 
to and I think you did not feel the lie was the main point.
> 
> That's a perfectly reasonable question, and I wouldn't
> have had the slightest hesitation about answering it,
> just as I've explained it in other posts.
>   
> I'll also remind you and Steve that I made it clear what
> I thought of the lie by referring to it multiple times
> as "Ravi's offensive accusation" and saying it was
> "obviously untrue."
>
I followed much of the discussion, but certainly missed a clear statement, 
multiple times or anytime, that you thought "Ravi's  offensive accusation" was 
"obviously untrue."  Glad to hear you said it. Maybe I lost that in reading all 
the other issues that got triggered.  I don't argue in the style you do - don't 
have that ability even if I wanted to.   I like to get to the point and stay on 
point.  To me this whole thing was about a really crude and nasty lie that 
could hurt someone's work life.  It had nothing to do with Barry or Curtis and 
other people's behaviors and what they mean to you or anyone else.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> I'll also remind you and Steve that I made it clear what
> I thought of the lie by referring to it multiple times
> as "Ravi's offensive accusation" and saying it was
> "obviously untrue."
>
Judy,  perhaps that is the case.  But evidently it was missed.  May I
present as evidence the comment Raunchy made earlier today in reference
to Ravi's slander.

She stated her opinion about the slander as being inappropiate, and she
suggested an apology  It was clear, it was reasonable.  It didn't change
any alliances.  No one  had to coax it out of her.  And she moved on. 
But I felt it strengthened the overall consensus of what  is appropiate
here.  So, if you should be interested in what I for one, would consider
an appropiate response, then there  it is.

As always YMMV.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

What a pathetic, miserable life my retarded psychologist Stephen Anderson, not 
a single experience, not a single person who acknowledges him, sucking 
furiously at TM and Prozac and drawing a blank..LOL..the only thing he looks 
forward to is my emails do he can at least get some attention, perverse 
satisfaction as I humiliate him, bitch slap him in my enlightened mania.

Stephen, you little bitch, you made my day..LOL..


On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my friend 
> suggestions.
> 
> Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a lifeless 
> depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they are free since 
> you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
>> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
>> enlightened mania.
>> 
>> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
>>> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
>>> faith.
>>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts 
>>> > drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this 
>>> > forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes 
>>> > with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as 
>>> > those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any 
>>> > respect for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If 
>>> > Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he 
>>> > should find another place to do it. 
>>> > 
>>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
>>> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing 
>>> > > to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. 
>>> > > As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is 
>>> > > needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe 
>>> > > this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. 
>>> > > Unsubscribe him now.
>>> > > -Buck 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
>>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
>>> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in 
>>> > > > the headers:
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a 
>>> > > > cult to prey on innocent women"
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
>>> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
>>> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. 
>>> > > > I have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really 
>>> > > > can't win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on 
>>> > > > such a malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) 
>>> > > > So first thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an 
>>> > > > impact on me professionally, due to the amount of material being 
>>> > > > generated here. It makes me look like someone with a controversial 
>>> > > > past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this 
>>> > > > will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum 
>>> > > > like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
>>> > > > rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here. Being 
>>> > > > associated with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom 
>>> > > > and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right 
>>> > > > to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances 
>>> > > > of that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook 
>>> > > > page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can 
>>> > > > control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign 
>>> > > > here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this point 
>>> > > > unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive nature 
>>> > > > of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would 
>>> > > > cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend 
>>> > > > myself. So in the manor used for credit report where someone 
>>> > > > malicious has decided to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:

> > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point
> > do you stand up and oppose it?
> 
> Exactly.  We all know Judy would normally stand up right
> away - within seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend,
> was lying. She missed this one.

She didn't miss it. She chose not to address it, for
reasons she's explained until she's blue in the face.


>   Of course I agree with you!  As you said, I did ask her
> twice, humbling myself the second time so as give her an
> chance to answer.  Judy could have used that question to
> begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, from anyone's
> lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.

I explained why I wouldn't answer as well, but you decided
you were going to bug out of the whole discussion, so it
seems you never saw my explanation: Your questions were
disingenuous.

> I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with
> intelligence and honesty. That is why I was so surprised
> that she would not call Ravi on intentionally lying about
> Curtis.  Judy was right - I do know that she opposes lying,
> but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped up.

Oh, wait, maybe you *did* see my explanation after all.
Which means you could easily have formulated the question
straightforwardly and inoffensively after you saw the
explanation, but you chose not to. For example:

"Judy, I know you oppose lying, but you didn't speak up
about this one of Ravi's. Why not?"

That's a perfectly reasonable question, and I wouldn't
have had the slightest hesitation about answering it,
just as I've explained it in other posts.
  
I'll also remind you and Steve that I made it clear what
I thought of the lie by referring to it multiple times
as "Ravi's offensive accusation" and saying it was
"obviously untrue."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my friend 
suggestions.

Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a lifeless 
depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they are free since 
you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
> enlightened mania.
> 
> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
> 
>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
>> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
>> faith.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag 
>> > this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum 
>> > without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with 
>> > people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those 
>> > demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect 
>> > for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If Ravi wants 
>> > to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he should find 
>> > another place to do it. 
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
>> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to 
>> > > the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As 
>> > > much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless 
>> > > over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy 
>> > > Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
>> > > -Buck 
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
>> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in 
>> > > > the headers:
>> > > > 
>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a 
>> > > > cult to prey on innocent women"
>> > > > 
>> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
>> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
>> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. I 
>> > > > have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't 
>> > > > win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a 
>> > > > malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first 
>> > > > thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on 
>> > > > me professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here. 
>> > > > It makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is 
>> > > > untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just 
>> > > > stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this will 
>> > > > a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search 
>> > > > engines for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term 
>> > > > like "pervert" is malicious. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom 
>> > > > and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right 
>> > > > to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances of 
>> > > > that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook 
>> > > > page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can 
>> > > > control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign 
>> > > > here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this point 
>> > > > unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive nature 
>> > > > of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would 
>> > > > cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend 
>> > > > myself. So in the manor used for credit report where someone malicious 
>> > > > has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be 
>> > > > adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here 
>> > > > so that my position is clear concerning these charges. It will also 
>> > > > serve as a record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of 
>> > > > malicious intent. Due to the way these posts get viewed online I will 
>> > > > give it its own heading in the following post.
>> > > > 
>> > > > This challenge was an interesting one. It really made me think. What 
>> > > > is the cost of freedom? Freedom is not free. I will happily p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > > > Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> > > > from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> > > > adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> > > > happy to get it from everybody else.
> > > 
> > > This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be 
> > > voluntarily given and would naturally be appreciated.  What
> > > I am objecting to is your insistence, along with some others
> > > that there is a moral imperative to do so.
> > 
> > Has it not occurred to you that those who gave you
> > such support did so out of a conviction that there
> > was a moral imperative to do so?
> 
> Some might, but this is not either a universal or a
> realistic expectation that it is common to all.  There
> are as many versions of this as posters I suspect.

Other than "I want Curtis to like me" and/or "I can't
stand Ravi," I have trouble thinking of what other
reasons there might be.


> > > I was objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so
> > > in cases you have chosen as priorities for you,indicated a
> > > moral lapse on my part.
> > 
> > Yup, that's the accusation. Note that the "you" in
> > what you wrote applies not just to me but to a number
> > of people here who are sick and tired of Barry's
> > behavior and the effect it has on the atmosphere of
> > FFL generally (regardless of whether they've been his
> > targets).
> 
> Yeah, I'll fix that right up.  Glad you identified the
> problem as me.

Freudian slip? Did you mean "for me"? If not, I don't
understand your comment.

> > And you're the point man in this situation because
> > Barry *respects* you, as do most others on the forum.
> > Whether you like it or not, that endows you with a
> > greater responsibility.
> 
> One of the things that Barry may respect me for(assuming
> he does) is that we tend to stay out of each other's
> business here and respect that we can fight our own battles.

But, as I've pointed out before, he doesn't stay out of
your business here and frequently supports you in your
battles, so that doesn't fly.

> The responsibility rap is not gunna work any better on me
> for Barry's business as it does with you for Ravi, although
> I see the appeal in this expectation.  I don't believe it
> would work

Maybe not, but that's secondary. You'd have taken a
public stand for fairness in how people should be
treated. If he ignored or disputed it, he'd be taking
a stand *against* fairness, and that would be important
for the rest of us to know.

> and am not convinced that you care if it works.  I think
> it is a shame angle and you would be happy if it could
> drive a wedge in between my friendly interactions with
> Barry.

Well, that's bullshit. If it did drive a wedge between
you and Barry, it would demonstrate that he wasn't the
friend you thought he was.

> In other words you are working me for your own agenda and
> you don't care about my own welfare or happiness here.

Losing Barry as a friend would destroy your welfare or
happiness here?

> > > My argument has always been that we all pick our battles
> > > here depending on lots of personal factors and that we
> > > all do this.  I felt you were being unfair and that the
> > > standard you are applying to me is untenable and
> > > represents a hypocritical standard that you yourself
> > > could not live up to on a board like this. It all comes
> > > down to our own judgement calls about what needs
> > > defending.  I don't believe you need any defense against
> > > Barry I believe you do a fine job defending yourself.  I
> > > suspect you believe the same thing about me with Nabbie
> > > and Ravi.
> > 
> > Two points: This isn't just about Barry and me. You keep
> > trying to make it so because it's easier for you to make
> > your case if it's just a petty grudge match between two
> > people. But in reality it's a much broader issue than that,
> > as I suggested above. It includes, just for one thing, the
> > fact that not all the many people Barry attacks have the
> > ability to defend themselves that I do.
> 
> I don't think you have a petty grudge, I think you have
> a significant one.

Whatever. Not the point.

> And the other two who tried to ride this shame game can
> defend themselves just fine too so I don't know what
> helpless poster you are referring to.

WTF? If you mean Bob and Robin, I'm not referring to them
at all. There are many folks Barry has targeted for attack
who aren't as well armed as Bob or Robin or I. Why on
earth would you think I was talking about them?


> > Second, and I've made this point before, to hold Nabby's
> > and Ravi's behavior equivalent to Barry's is patently
> > absurd.>
> 
> Not to me.  

Amazing.

>  Awhile back I analogized Nabby's attacks to a toy
> > gun that, when you pull the trigger, pops up a little
> > flag that says "Bang!" The same appli

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
enlightened mania.

You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:

> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
> faith.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag 
> > this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum 
> > without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with 
> > people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those 
> > demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect 
> > for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If Ravi wants 
> > to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he should find 
> > another place to do it. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to 
> > > the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As 
> > > much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless 
> > > over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy 
> > > Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. Imagine 
> > > > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting 
> > > > started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the 
> > > > headers:
> > > > 
> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult 
> > > > to prey on innocent women"
> > > > 
> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. I 
> > > > have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't 
> > > > win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a 
> > > > malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first 
> > > > thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me 
> > > > professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here. It 
> > > > makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is untrue. 
> > > > No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the 
> > > > enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this will a lie 
> > > > repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines 
> > > > for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term like 
> > > > "pervert" is malicious. 
> > > > 
> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > > > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to 
> > > > make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances of 
> > > > that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook page, 
> > > > which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control 
> > > > that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign here, I am 
> > > > relatively safe. And I believe that at this point unsubscribing would 
> > > > not be an answer because of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like 
> > > > assaults, there is no guarantee that they would cease, I would just be 
> > > > cutting myself off from being able to defend myself. So in the manor 
> > > > used for credit report where someone malicious has decided to assume 
> > > > your identity and F up your credit, I will be adding a statement 
> > > > regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that my position 
> > > > is clear concerning these charges. It will also serve as a record of my 
> > > > own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due to the 
> > > > way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own heading in the 
> > > > following post.
> > > > 
> > > > This challenge was an interesting one. It really made me think. What is 
> > > > the cost of freedom? Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price 
> > > > and will not "go gentle into that good night". I'm fighting back for my 
> > > > own rights and searchable reputation.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Ravi Chivukula]

Sunset, Venice Beach Jan 8, 2011

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73243621@N07/6663473701


On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> I even saw a couple of girls in bikinis, hello welcome to Southern California 
> :-). I can for at least look past Ravi's unhealed personal wounds and share 
> in the joy of families and couples around.
> 
> I thought I would post out by Monday so I can focus on work. I clearly have 
> failed :-)
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
>> OK cool. I have moved on, to the beach, to watch the beautiful Sunset. 
>> Living a block away from a crowded beach is such a pleasure.
>> 
>> Love,
>> Ravi
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Susan,
>>> > 
>>> > I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew 
>>> > exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as well.
>>> 
>>> Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to 
>>> start with, even if you are replying to lies of others. As we all know, 
>>> lying by one person does not justify lying by another. It simply 
>>> perpetuates the mess.
>>> > 
>>> > It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. 
>>> > Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, 
>>> > complex. And they don't even admit to their lying and deception, they 
>>> > have so much emotional investment.
>>> 
>>> I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my life 
>>> that is objective.
>>> > 
>>> > Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you 
>>> > are forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 
>>> 
>>> You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.
>>> 
>>> Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
>>> > 
>>> > This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
>>> > > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
>>> > > > her opinions and observations.
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, twice,
>>> > > > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. (New
>>> > > > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
>>> > > > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
>>> > > > behavior for which he accused)
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
>>> > > > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was 
>>> > > > phrased
>>> > > > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
>>> > > > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she 
>>> > > > said
>>> > > > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
>>> > > > knows I don't endorse lying..."
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you 
>>> > > > stand
>>> > > > up and oppose it?
>>> > > 
>>> > > Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within 
>>> > > seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this 
>>> > > one.
>>> > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
>>> > > > "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be 
>>> > > > defended
>>> > > > from lying. Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
>>> > > > to this defending. Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
>>> > > > warrant addressing it. Well if that is the case, then don't make a
>>> > > > blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > What do you think?
>>> > > >
>>> > > 
>>> > > Of course I agree with you! As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling 
>>> > > myself the second time so as give her an chance to answer. Judy could 
>>> > > have used that question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, 
>>> > > from anyone's lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
>>> > > 
>>> > > I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with 
>>> > > intelligence and honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would 
>>> > > not call Ravi on intentionally lying about Curtis. Judy was right - I 
>>> > > do know that she opposes lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and 
>>> > > should have piped up. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex 
>>> > > discussion, Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's 
>>> > > friend, ignore or call him on lies, and move on. Basically I think we 
>>> > > all share the sam

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[shukra69]

Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
faith.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag 
> this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum without 
> delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with people, but 
> the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those demonstrated 
> almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect for their own 
> forum, they should take action on this issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his 
> absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he should find another place to do it. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I agree with Curtis here.  What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
> > resolution and no good for the community here.  He is not contributing to 
> > the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse.  As much 
> > as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff.  This is needless over the 
> > top abuse.  The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from 
> > FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak.  Unsubscribe him now.
> > -Buck  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine 
> > > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started 
> > > here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> > > 
> > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult 
> > > to prey on innocent women"
> > > 
> > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
> > > considered unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory 
> > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I 
> > > have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't 
> > > win here.  The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a 
> > > malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first 
> > > thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me 
> > > professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here.  It 
> > > makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is untrue. No 
> > > matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the 
> > > enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding a forum like this will a lie 
> > > repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines for 
> > > anyone checking me out here.  Being associated with a term like "pervert" 
> > > is malicious. 
> > > 
> > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> > > such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> > > small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which 
> > > would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it 
> > > seems that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively 
> > > safe. And I believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an 
> > > answer because of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, 
> > > there is no guarantee that they would cease, I would just be cutting 
> > > myself off from being able to defend myself.  So in the manor used for 
> > > credit report where someone malicious has decided to assume your identity 
> > > and F up your credit, I will be adding a statement regularly for anyone 
> > > who is checking up on me here so that my position is clear concerning 
> > > these charges.  It will also serve as a record of my own clear denials 
> > > and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due to the way these posts get 
> > > viewed online I will give it its own heading in the following post.
> > > 
> > > This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is 
> > > the cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price 
> > > and will not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my 
> > > own rights and searchable reputation.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Ravi Chivukula]

I even saw a couple of girls in bikinis, hello welcome to Southern California 
:-). I can for at least look past Ravi's unhealed personal wounds and share in 
the joy of families and couples around.

I thought I would post out by Monday so I can focus on work. I clearly have 
failed :-)


On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> OK cool. I have moved on, to the beach, to watch the beautiful Sunset. Living 
> a block away from a crowded beach is such a pleasure.
> 
> Love,
> Ravi
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Susan,
>> > 
>> > I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew 
>> > exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as well.
>> 
>> Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to 
>> start with, even if you are replying to lies of others. As we all know, 
>> lying by one person does not justify lying by another. It simply perpetuates 
>> the mess.
>> > 
>> > It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. 
>> > Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, 
>> > complex. And they don't even admit to their lying and deception, they have 
>> > so much emotional investment.
>> 
>> I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my life 
>> that is objective.
>> > 
>> > Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you 
>> > are forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 
>> 
>> You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.
>> 
>> Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
>> > 
>> > This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
>> > > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
>> > > > her opinions and observations.
>> > > > 
>> > > > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, twice,
>> > > > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. (New
>> > > > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
>> > > > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
>> > > > behavior for which he accused)
>> > > > 
>> > > > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
>> > > > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
>> > > > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
>> > > > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
>> > > > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
>> > > > knows I don't endorse lying..."
>> > > > 
>> > > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
>> > > > up and oppose it?
>> > > 
>> > > Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within 
>> > > seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this 
>> > > one.
>> > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
>> > > > "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
>> > > > from lying. Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
>> > > > to this defending. Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
>> > > > warrant addressing it. Well if that is the case, then don't make a
>> > > > blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
>> > > > 
>> > > > What do you think?
>> > > >
>> > > 
>> > > Of course I agree with you! As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling 
>> > > myself the second time so as give her an chance to answer. Judy could 
>> > > have used that question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, 
>> > > from anyone's lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
>> > > 
>> > > I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with intelligence 
>> > > and honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would not call Ravi 
>> > > on intentionally lying about Curtis. Judy was right - I do know that she 
>> > > opposes lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped 
>> > > up. 
>> > > 
>> > > I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex 
>> > > discussion, Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's 
>> > > friend, ignore or call him on lies, and move on. Basically I think we 
>> > > all share the same feeling that gross and malicious lying about 
>> > > significant issues - the kind of stuff that can hurt your reputation out 
>> > > in real life - is not welcome here, not about anyone. 
>> > > 
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Ravi Chivukula]

OK cool. I have moved on, to the beach, to watch the beautiful Sunset. Living a 
block away from a crowded beach is such a pleasure.

Love,
Ravi

On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Susan"  wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Susan,
> > 
> > I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew 
> > exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as well.
> 
> Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to start 
> with, even if you are replying to lies of others. As we all know, lying by 
> one person does not justify lying by another. It simply perpetuates the mess.
> > 
> > It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. 
> > Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, 
> > complex. And they don't even admit to their lying and deception, they have 
> > so much emotional investment.
> 
> I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my life 
> that is objective.
> > 
> > Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you are 
> > forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 
> 
> You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.
> 
> Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
> > 
> > This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
> > > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
> > > > her opinions and observations.
> > > > 
> > > > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, twice,
> > > > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. (New
> > > > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
> > > > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
> > > > behavior for which he accused)
> > > > 
> > > > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
> > > > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
> > > > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
> > > > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
> > > > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
> > > > knows I don't endorse lying..."
> > > > 
> > > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
> > > > up and oppose it?
> > > 
> > > Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within 
> > > seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this 
> > > one.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
> > > > "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
> > > > from lying. Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
> > > > to this defending. Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
> > > > warrant addressing it. Well if that is the case, then don't make a
> > > > blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Of course I agree with you! As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling 
> > > myself the second time so as give her an chance to answer. Judy could 
> > > have used that question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, 
> > > from anyone's lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
> > > 
> > > I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with intelligence 
> > > and honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would not call Ravi 
> > > on intentionally lying about Curtis. Judy was right - I do know that she 
> > > opposes lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped 
> > > up. 
> > > 
> > > I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex 
> > > discussion, Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's 
> > > friend, ignore or call him on lies, and move on. Basically I think we all 
> > > share the same feeling that gross and malicious lying about significant 
> > > issues - the kind of stuff that can hurt your reputation out in real life 
> > > - is not welcome here, not about anyone. 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Susan,
> 
> I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew 
> exactly why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as well.

Ok, but it would be simpler and certainly would be kinder not to lie to start 
with, even if you are replying to lies of others.  As we all know, lying by one 
person does not justify lying by another.  It simply perpetuates the mess.
> 
> It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. 
> Barry, Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, complex. 
> And they don't even admit to their lying and deception, they have so much 
> emotional investment.

I guess we all have emotional investment. I can think of little in my life that 
is objective.
> 
> Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you are 
> forced to even acknowledge, confront it. 

You would be acknowledged without lying and also without being so wild.

Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a victim.
> 
> This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
> > > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
> > > her opinions and observations.
> > > 
> > > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, twice,
> > > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. (New
> > > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
> > > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
> > > behavior for which he accused)
> > > 
> > > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
> > > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
> > > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
> > > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
> > > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
> > > knows I don't endorse lying..."
> > > 
> > > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
> > > up and oppose it?
> > 
> > Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within 
> > seconds - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this one.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
> > > "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
> > > from lying. Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
> > > to this defending. Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
> > > warrant addressing it. Well if that is the case, then don't make a
> > > blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
> > > 
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > 
> > Of course I agree with you! As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling 
> > myself the second time so as give her an chance to answer. Judy could have 
> > used that question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, from 
> > anyone's lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
> > 
> > I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with intelligence 
> > and honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would not call Ravi on 
> > intentionally lying about Curtis. Judy was right - I do know that she 
> > opposes lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped 
> > up. 
> > 
> > I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex 
> > discussion, Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's 
> > friend, ignore or call him on lies, and move on. Basically I think we all 
> > share the same feeling that gross and malicious lying about significant 
> > issues - the kind of stuff that can hurt your reputation out in real life - 
> > is not welcome here, not about anyone. 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Ravi Chivukula]

Susan,

I'm sorry why would Judy need to be accountable for anything. She knew exactly 
why I was intentionally lying. I acknowledged I was lying as well.

It's just hypocritical for you to create categories and grades of lies. Barry, 
Vaj and Curtis lie regularly though Curtis much more subtle, complex. And they 
don't even admit to their lying and deception, they have so much emotional 
investment.

Just because I stretch the limits and go overboard in my lying that you are 
forced to even acknowledge, confront it. Curtis starts acting like a wimp, a 
victim.

This is just ridiculous and hypocritical.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "Susan"  wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time. From one of
> > mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
> > her opinions and observations.
> > 
> > But here is something I have found instructive. Judy was asked, twice,
> > if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in his slandering of Curtis. (New
> > Years Eve incident) (Please allow me proceed with this term, since
> > there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
> > behavior for which he accused)
> > 
> > She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
> > -wayback71. Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
> > and would not answer it. Later on she finally provided some answer. 
> > By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
> > was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
> > knows I don't endorse lying..."
> > 
> > Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
> > up and oppose it?
> 
> Exactly. We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within seconds 
> - if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this one.
> 
> > 
> > Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
> > "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
> > from lying. Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
> > to this defending. Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
> > warrant addressing it. Well if that is the case, then don't make a
> > blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
> > 
> > What do you think?
> >
> 
> Of course I agree with you! As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling myself 
> the second time so as give her an chance to answer. Judy could have used that 
> question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, from anyone's lying in 
> a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.
> 
> I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with intelligence and 
> honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would not call Ravi on 
> intentionally lying about Curtis. Judy was right - I do know that she opposes 
> lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped up. 
> 
> I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex discussion, 
> Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's friend, ignore or 
> call him on lies, and move on. Basically I think we all share the same 
> feeling that gross and malicious lying about significant issues - the kind of 
> stuff that can hurt your reputation out in real life - is not welcome here, 
> not about anyone. 
> 
> 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thanks Susan.
Yes I do make a lot of money and this is what makes me feel guilty that
I can't give my 100% there. I almost lost my job because I was so
dysfunctional, on a outer level that is, last month. Anyway one of my
new year resolution is to give my best, however mundane, boring it is. I
have been trying to catch up on work as we speak.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Yes. I hate to have to pretend to be normal every time I'm there.
Not to
> > mention I have to focus because I have to use my stupid intellect,
inane
> > logic and calculations - I hate it but I have no choice.
> > Luckily I take enough smoke/coffee breaks and a long lunch to
recharge
> > my craziness.
>
> Ravi, I sometimes look forward to Mondays.  I think work is good stuff
for me, much of the time.  We all need to feel needed, and to do
something well and be noticed for that. Sadly, I have to be at work by
7:40 am.  And by about 1 pm I would like to head on home.   At least you
have those long breaks.   I am guessing that you are brilliant at work. 
Maybe using your intellect there is a good, grounding balance to your
emotions.  So hang on to being normal there, I bet it earns you a really
good living - pretty darn good given all the other stuff you have had to
deal with.
>
> > Thanks Steve.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of
that
> > > loneliness will be assuaged.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly
vulnerable,
> > > in
> > > > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these
clusters of
> > > > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't
touch me
> > -
> > > > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
> > genius
> > > > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > > > Pity, pity, pity..
> > > >
> > > > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
> > their
> > > > love, concern.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > > > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka
Edg,
> > > > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > > > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
> > wayback71
> > > > aka
> > > > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
> > > Stephen
> > > > > Anderson
> > > > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,>
> > > > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article
that's
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of
various
> > > > fauna
> > > > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr.
Chivukula
> > > is
> > > > as
> > > > > > follows>
> > > > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > > > Associated
> > > > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
> > well
> > > > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid
their
> > > > > > perversion, deception
> > > > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog,
Buck,
> > > the
> > > > > cold
> > > > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their
well
> > > > > developed
> > > > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their
hypocrisy>
> > > > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
> > avoid
> > > > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
> > easily
> > > > > avoid
> > > > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely
on
> > > > > anyone,
> > > > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
> > > Individuals,
> > > > > use
> > > > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's,
Judy's,
> > > > > Robin's,
> > > > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yay !! Rocki Ravi, no bitch of his can ever take him down.
Only a lover can take him down.
Thanks dear Obba, love, love, kiss, kiss, XOXOXOXOXO


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5-s4abeoak
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
in
> > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me
-
> > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
genius
> > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > Pity, pity, pity..
> >
> > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
their
> > love, concern.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
wayback71
> > aka
> > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
Stephen
> > > Anderson
> > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,>
> > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's
in
> > the
> > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> > fauna
> > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
is
> > as
> > > > follows>
> > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > Associated
> > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
well
> > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > > perversion, deception
> > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
the
> > > cold
> > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed
> > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
avoid
> > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
easily
> > > avoid
> > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > > anyone,
> > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
Individuals,
> > > use
> > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > > Robin's,
> > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqerjNXNN4Y&feature=related

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> Yes. I hate to have to pretend to be normal every time I'm there. Not to
> mention I have to focus because I have to use my stupid intellect, inane
> logic and calculations - I hate it but I have no choice.
> Luckily I take enough smoke/coffee breaks and a long lunch to recharge
> my craziness.
> Thanks Steve.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
> > loneliness will be assuaged.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
> > in
> > > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> > > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me
> -
> > > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
> genius
> > > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > > Pity, pity, pity..
> > >
> > > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
> their
> > > love, concern.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
> wayback71
> > > aka
> > > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
> > Stephen
> > > > Anderson
> > > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,>
> > > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's
> in
> > > the
> > > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> > > fauna
> > > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
> > is
> > > as
> > > > > follows>
> > > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > > Associated
> > > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
> well
> > > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > > > perversion, deception
> > > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
> > the
> > > > cold
> > > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > > developed
> > > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
> avoid
> > > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
> easily
> > > > avoid
> > > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > > > anyone,
> > > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
> > Individuals,
> > > > use
> > > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > > > Robin's,
> > > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> Yes. I hate to have to pretend to be normal every time I'm there. Not to
> mention I have to focus because I have to use my stupid intellect, inane
> logic and calculations - I hate it but I have no choice.
> Luckily I take enough smoke/coffee breaks and a long lunch to recharge
> my craziness.

Ravi, I sometimes look forward to Mondays.  I think work is good stuff for me, 
much of the time.  We all need to feel needed, and to do something well and be 
noticed for that. Sadly, I have to be at work by 7:40 am.  And by about 1 pm I 
would like to head on home.   At least you have those long breaks.   I am 
guessing that you are brilliant at work.  Maybe using your intellect there is a 
good, grounding balance to your emotions.  So hang on to being normal there, I 
bet it earns you a really good living - pretty darn good given all the other 
stuff you have had to deal with.

> Thanks Steve.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
> > loneliness will be assuaged.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
> > in
> > > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> > > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me
> -
> > > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
> genius
> > > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > > Pity, pity, pity..
> > >
> > > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
> their
> > > love, concern.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
> wayback71
> > > aka
> > > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
> > Stephen
> > > > Anderson
> > > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,>
> > > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's
> in
> > > the
> > > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> > > fauna
> > > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
> > is
> > > as
> > > > > follows>
> > > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > > Associated
> > > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
> well
> > > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > > > perversion, deception
> > > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
> > the
> > > > cold
> > > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > > developed
> > > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
> avoid
> > > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
> easily
> > > > avoid
> > > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > > > anyone,
> > > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
> > Individuals,
> > > > use
> > > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > > > Robin's,
> > > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5-s4abeoak

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable, in
> deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me -
> can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad genius
> of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> Pity, pity, pity..
> 
> Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with their
> love, concern.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > marekravis, zarzari_786
> >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71
> aka
> > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> > Anderson
> >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,>
> > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
> the
> > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> fauna
> > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is
> as
> > > follows>
> > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > Associated
> > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > perversion, deception
> > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> > cold
> > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed
> > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> > avoid
> > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > anyone,
> > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> > use
> > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > Robin's,
> > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time.  From one of
> mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
> her opinions and observations.
> 
> But here is something I have found instructive.   Judy was asked, twice,
> if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in  his slandering of Curtis.  (New
> Years Eve incident) (Please allow me  proceed with this term, since
> there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
> behavior for which he accused)
> 
> She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
> -wayback71.  Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
> and would not answer it.  Later on she finally provided some answer.  
> By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
> was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
> knows I don't endorse lying..."
> 
> Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
> up and oppose it?

Exactly.  We all know Judy would normally stand up right away - within seconds 
- if someone, anyone, even a friend, was lying. She missed this one.

> 
> Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
> "lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
> from lying.  Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
> to this defending.  Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
> warrant addressing it.  Well if that is the case, then don't make a
> blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"
> 
> What do you think?
>

  Of course I agree with you!  As you said, I did ask her twice, humbling 
myself the second time so as give her an chance to answer.  Judy could have 
used that question to begin to distance herself from Ravi's lie, from anyone's 
lying in a hurtful and malicious way here. But she dug in.

I too find many of Judy's posts interesting and filled with intelligence and 
honesty. That is why I was so surprised that she would not call Ravi on 
intentionally lying about Curtis.  Judy was right - I do know that she opposes 
lying, but IMO she went astray on this one and should have piped up.  

 I suspect that at this point, regardless of all the other complex discussion, 
Judy made a few bad choices on this one. She can be Ravi's friend, ignore or 
call him on lies, and move on.  Basically I think we all share the same feeling 
that gross and malicious lying about significant issues - the kind of stuff 
that can hurt your reputation out in real life - is not welcome here, not about 
anyone.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes. I hate to have to pretend to be normal every time I'm there. Not to
mention I have to focus because I have to use my stupid intellect, inane
logic and calculations - I hate it but I have no choice.
Luckily I take enough smoke/coffee breaks and a long lunch to recharge
my craziness.
Thanks Steve.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
> Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
> loneliness will be assuaged.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
> in
> > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me
-
> > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
genius
> > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > Pity, pity, pity..
> >
> > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
their
> > love, concern.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
wayback71
> > aka
> > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
> Stephen
> > > Anderson
> > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,>
> > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's
in
> > the
> > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> > fauna
> > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
> is
> > as
> > > > follows>
> > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > Associated
> > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
well
> > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > > perversion, deception
> > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
> the
> > > cold
> > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed
> > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
avoid
> > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
easily
> > > avoid
> > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > > anyone,
> > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
> Individuals,
> > > use
> > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > > Robin's,
> > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[seventhray1]

Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
loneliness will be assuaged.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
in
> deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me -
> can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad genius
> of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> Pity, pity, pity..
>
> Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with their
> love, concern.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > marekravis, zarzari_786
> >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71
> aka
> > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
Stephen
> > Anderson
> >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,>
> > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
> the
> > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> fauna
> > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
is
> as
> > > follows>
> > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > Associated
> > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > perversion, deception
> > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
the
> > cold
> > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed
> > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> > avoid
> > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > anyone,
> > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
Individuals,
> > use
> > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > Robin's,
> > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable, in
deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me -
can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad genius
of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
Pity, pity, pity..

Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with their
love, concern.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
>> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> marekravis, zarzari_786
>> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71
aka
> Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> Anderson
>> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi,>
> > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
the
> > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
fauna
> > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > Here are some snippets.>
> > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is
as
> > follows>
> > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> Associated
> > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > perversion, deception
> >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> cold
> > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed
> > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> avoid
> > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> anyone,
> > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> use
> > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> Robin's,
> > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
> > piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
> > their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 
> 
> Barry, let me underline your above sentence with a big
> red marker.
> 
> > If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
> > they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
> > actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
> > what's going to happen.
> 
> You are spot on again. How could people have such a
> lack of discrimination? Especially those who talk
> about morals and integrity all the time, they have
> totally lost it with me. 
> 
> This is the example, the real live example of the 
> discriminative power of the pro TMers. It needs you to
> point this out to them. In both cases they support the
> enlightenment delusions of people, in both cases, this
> is morally wrong to those people. It is a lack of
> integrity only supported by their sophistry.  All those,
> who supposedly spend the last 17 years to support the
> agenda of TM, with the aim to counterbalance any
> negative spin on it, they just put those 17 years into
> the trash-bin with this act.

OK, anytime you see "the last 17 years" used by Barry
or his allies in the description of otherwise anonymous
"those people" on FFL, it refers to me, or at the very
least includes me. Given zarzari's current anti-Judy
jihad, I think I'm safe in assuming what he says above
is primarily directed at me.

As I've pointed out several times now--including in
exchanges here with zarzari--I don't support anyone's
claims to enlightenment, nor do I contest them. I'm
not in a position to do that, nor, IMHO, is anyone
else on FFL.

So zarzari is knowingly misrepresenting me above.

Someone here, can't remember who, recently made the
point--and I've made it myself previously--that MMY
was explicit about there being no way to tell whether
someone was enlightened from their behavior.(*) It's
in the Gita as well. So I'm on solid TM ground in
refraining from pro or con comment on enlightenment
claims, contrary to what zarzari suggests above.

Moreover, on FFL we have a quite limited segment of
people's behavior available to us to observe: what
people write and post to FFL.

The notion that this segment of behavior could 
possibly provide us with conclusive evidence into
whether a claim of enlightenment is accurate or 
delusional is completely absurd. (We can't even be
sure, for that matter, that a claim *not* to be
enlightened is accurate.)

The behavior itself, of course, is fair game for
evaluation and criticism. But it should have nothing
to do with claims to enlightenment.

The question of who supports or doesn't support whom
against attack or lies or insults and why is a
different issue, and a fairly complicated one. I
haven't gone after Ravi for his attacks on Curtis
not because I support Ravi's claims to enlightenment
but for the sake of making a point to Curtis about
his own refusal to stand up for others against unfair
treatment, one he has studiously refrained from
getting so far.

And even though I haven't directly chastised Ravi,
I've made my position quite clear, having referred
several times to his preying-on-young-girls-and-
getting-thrown-out-of-the-TMO-for-it accusation of
Curtis as "offensive" and "obviously untrue." So
it's not possible even to haul out Marek's "adoptive
admission" principle and insinuate that I must agree
with Ravi's attacks.

I understand zarzari is furious with me for having
dared to criticize him for speculating about Robin's
mental health; ever since zarzari resubscribed, he's
been attacking me practically nonstop, by name or in
the pseudo-anonymous manner he uses above.

But if he wishes to be seen as the voice of fairness
and objectivity on FFL, he'd damn well better get
his act together and stop putting words and ideas in
my mouth that he knows don't belong there.

-

*To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
behave in the manner he described. This might make
for an interesting discussion if we could get off
the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.
Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
marekravis, zarzari_786
Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71 aka
Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
Anderson
Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Hi,>
> I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
> works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
> and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> Here are some snippets.>
> The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
> follows>
> 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
Associated
> with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> perversion, deception
>> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
cold
> heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
developed
> belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
avoid
> confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
>> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
anyone,
> have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
use
> clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
Robin's,
> Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
>

[FairfieldLife] A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hi,
I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.
His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
and flora in the FFL ecosystem.
Here are some snippets.
The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
follows
1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry. Associated
with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
perversion, deception
2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the cold
heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well developed
belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy
3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily avoid
confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on anyone,
have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals, use
clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's, Robin's,
Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Steve,

I use same strategy as the messiahs of dishonesty and deception, your Curtis's, 
Barry's. However I stretch every known morality, sensibility, subtlety so my 
words form a mirror where the ugliness, hypocrisy, fears, anxieties and  
insecurities are reflected back.

I have zero emotional investment in my words, words are toys that I manipulate 
to twist others. I'm firmly rooted in truth, I'm totally aware of the stories I 
create, the magical deception I weave in pursuit of the truth. Whereas for the 
Curtis's, the Barry's there is huge emotional investment. There are so 
identified with it, they have built whole belief systems out of it viz Curtis 
who has developed an intricate, complex 7 layered deception, progressively 
cruder, baser and grosser.

So now you clusters of hypocrites, clusters of retards, clusters of perverts 
have no choice but to condemn the man that forces you to painfully look at your 
fears, anxieties, insecurities, your belief systems that you have constructed 
to avoid looking at the truth, looking at yourself. You have no choice, you are 
forced to throw labels at me. How dare I disturb the mob, the cults, the 
beliefs you have so tirelessly developed to avoid the truth?

Love,
Ravi

On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "seventhray1"  wrote:

> Good Ravi.  And from what I gather, the burden of evidence you require in 
> determining the truth, is that you can make any accusation you wish.  And 
> depending on how vehemently the accused responds determines the level of 
> truth of your accusation.  I think you have broken some new ground here.  
> Perhaps this is enlightened justice or Ravi justice, or something.  Good luck 
> with this.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any 
> > approval from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever supports 
> > here do it out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's approval, 
> > concern or support.
> > 
> > Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts cluster 
> > together.
> > 
> > Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by clusters, 
> > clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time, party time - 
> > have fun you all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, here we go again...
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors 
> > > > on FFL for years.
> > > 
> > > Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. 
> > > > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick 
> > > > Lenz aka Rama.
> > > 
> > > I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no 
> > > relationship with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could 
> > > view everyone here as having associated with former cult members, it 
> > > kinda defines the place.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of 
> > > > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of 
> > > > FFL.>
> > > 
> > > Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals. As 
> > > far as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion. 
> > > I don't support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me 
> > > having sex with others here.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at 
> > > > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to 
> > > > others.
> > > 
> > > OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old 
> > > > women.>
> > > 
> > > I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am 
> > > against you harassing me here on this board.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own 
> > > > medicine.>
> > > 
> > > No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral 
> > > imperative to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of 
> > > > Ravi's New Year party.
> > > 
> > > Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you 
> > > actually did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had 
> > > it clarified that people in that particular club wear indicators if they 
> > > are underage, you claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her 
> > > out and you drank it. All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck 
> > > me in.
> > > 
> > > So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actua

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 07:58 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>>> Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution
>>> to this is, that you use a different screen name, than your
>>> professional name, and then INSIST, that nobody here who knows
>>> it, could address you with your real/artists name (which could
>>> be everybody). This will be then enforced by the moderators.
>>> You could possibly have all mentions of your artists name,
>>> which are denigatory, removed.
>> Thanks for the kind intentions.  I post here with my sincere
>> beliefs in a way that gives me a little internet search engine
>> room from my professional life.
>>
>> I don't believe that any insistences work here. People have
>> been respectful when I have asked that my full name not be
>> used.  The truth is that these posts are forever.  Our anonymity
>> is long gone.  So we try to do a little patch work here and there,
>> but ultimately, we who have chosen to post on boards like this
>> are searchable and can't stop that.  We can only try to be proud
>> of what we post and let the chips fall where they may.
>>
>> I appreciate your post, thanks!
> Have any of you in the FFL audience ever been blacklisted?
> I mean really, as in seeing an actual physical copy of a
> list circulated to potential employers with a big DO NOT
> HIRE printed across the top in bold, 24-point type?
>
> I have.
>
> A friendly technopimp in New York once showed me the list
> that had my name on it. He, aware of my on-the-job perform-
> ance and my actual talents, laughed it off and described
> it as the work of "cult cranks." Fascinatingly enough, the
> list itself was created and circulated among NYC employers
> by people who called themselves "anti-cultists." They had
> a burr up their butts about Rama - Frenderick Lenz, and had
> decided that the way to put him out of business was to make
> it impossible for his students, most of whom worked in IT,
> to find jobs. So they stole a list of all his students, put
> their names on their DO NOT HIRE list, and distributed it
> widely in New York City. It never really affected me
> personally, but it did affect a number of my good friends
> at the time.
>
> Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
> equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
> been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
> and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
> the first thing the official in charge of my application did
> when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
> had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
> office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
> he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found.
>
> Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority
> of them were from Judy Stein. He referred to all of them as
> "Internet cranks." He looked at me and said, "CIA agent," and
> laughed. I laughed, too. I was fortunate. Not everyone is.
>
> WTF can people who feel that it is their prerogative to make
> up things about the people they don't like to *hurt* them,
> either emotionally or professionally, be *thinking*? When I
> say something about someone here, I try to be conscientious
> enough to always include a bit "IMO," to make it clear that
> anything I say IS opinion. Others do not. As Curtis says,
> the things said here are fuckin' FOREVER, and they have
> effects, both karmic, and real-world.
>
> Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
> someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
> try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
> not spiritual, or moral.

Then there is the "companies I will not work for" list, which is 
somewhat long and includes any company that would black list me due to 
my Internet activities or does drug testing even though I don't use 
drugs.  In fact it is a downright good reason to make life tough for 
them.  And BTW there are entrepreneurs who would also see such Internet 
activities as a good reason to hire you especially if they ARE looking 
for a maverick.

I would also consider the present day silliness of the general public to 
be a sign that human extinction may well be close at hand (and maybe 
overdue). ;)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 08:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
>> levels of civility here.
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.

Yup, I pay little attention to TMaphile's kerfuffles here as they seem 
very juvenile.  More fun to find out what folks here are doing day to 
day  outside TM or whatever one practices.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[seventhray1]

My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time.  From one of
mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
her opinions and observations.

But here is something I have found instructive.   Judy was asked, twice,
if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in  his slandering of Curtis.  (New
Years Eve incident) (Please allow me  proceed with this term, since
there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
behavior for which he accused)

She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
-wayback71.  Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
and would not answer it.  Later on she finally provided some answer.  
By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
knows I don't endorse lying..."

Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
up and oppose it?

Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
"lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
from lying.  Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
to this defending.  Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
warrant addressing it.  Well if that is the case, then don't make a
blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"

What do you think?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Hey Steve!
>
> You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of
this play's theme? What do you make of the main characters? Like
Cassius, like Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy
Stein, and consider: what is the essence of what this person is saying?
why is she saying what she is saying? To what extent can I, by entering
fully into the spirit of what has said, comprehend fully and exactly
what is going on here such as to allow me to compose an existentially
and intellectually authentic response?
>
> This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy
says here amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so
that I am spared the experience of wondering whether any of it is true
or not? You will be compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be
any kind of conversation between us until you see that in approaching
what Judy Stein has written here, you must try to get a hold of the
entirety of the truth of what is getting expressed—as if, to repeat,
you were examining a play, and your daughter was assigned the exercise
of trying to determine—from an outsider's perspective—who is
right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what extent are they
wrong and so on.
>
> In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and
mortify all your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can
serve your own needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of
having life add itself up to you consistent with your own
self-determined predilections.
>
> There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between
Judy and Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and
contemplating what that truth is independent of your violent and
reflexive reactions to Judy—and your, because of your experience in
being scrutinized by Judy in the past, strong bias towards wanting her
opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero in this.
>
> I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence
the way I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of
shit. And Curtis the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into
the matter, I cannot traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly,
honestly, and truthfully.
>
> And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with
something other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other
thing she trusts in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be
reality, Steve. For reality will adjudicate this dispute in a perfect
way.
>
> Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as
beautiful and ruthless as reality?
>
> Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > >
> > > This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.
It has clarified my thinking. Points below:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I appreciate that Steve. It is really comical that I was
> > > > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > > > Ravi say those things? We are such creative creatures.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > > > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

Good Ravi.  And from what I gather, the burden of evidence you require
in determining the truth, is that you can make any accusation you wish. 
And depending on how vehemently the accused responds determines the
level of truth of your accusation.  I think you have broken some new
ground here.  Perhaps this is enlightened justice or Ravi justice, or
something.  Good luck with this.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any
approval from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever
supports here do it out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's
approval, concern or support.
>
> Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts
cluster together.
>
> Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by
clusters, clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time,
party time - have fun you all.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
>
> > OK, here we go again...
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> >
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past. He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no
relationship with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could
view everyone here as having associated with former cult members, it
kinda defines the place.
> >
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.>
> >
> > Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals.
As far as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no
opinion. I don't support when people like Jim create graphic depictions
of me having sex with others here.
> >
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
> >
> > OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> >
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.>
> >
> > I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I
am against you harassing me here on this board.
> >
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.>
> >
> > No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral
imperative to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now.
> >
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> > Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you
actually did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had
it clarified that people in that particular club wear indicators if they
are underage, you claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her
out and you drank it. All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck
me in.
> >
> > So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated
behavior, try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and
then making up a lot of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> >
> > See this is what I was trying to avoid. I'm the lightening rod here
Ravi. Focus on me. I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are
enlightened or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a
special guy you are. I object to your spreading lies about me on this
board, but since I have the power to post back, I feel confident that
your malicious agenda has no power to hurt me. Over here big guy, Curtis
is the one who is making you feel this way. Keep em coming till you post
out. There you go, atta boy, keep on punching, punch, punch, punch at
the bad, bad man.
> >
> > You are not gunna troll me out Ravi.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Hey Steve!
> 
> You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of this 
> play's theme?  What do you make of the main characters? Like Cassius, like 
> Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy Stein, and consider: 
> what is the essence of what this person is saying? why is she saying what she 
> is saying? To what extent can I, by entering fully into the spirit of what 
> has said, comprehend fully and exactly what is going on here such as to allow 
> me to compose an existentially and intellectually authentic response?
> 
> This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy says here 
> amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so that I am spared 
> the experience of wondering whether any of it is true or not? You will be 
> compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be any kind of conversation 
> between us until you see that in approaching what Judy Stein has written 
> here, you must try to get a hold of the entirety of the truth of what is 
> getting expressed—as if, to repeat, you were examining a play, and your 
> daughter was assigned the exercise of trying to determine—from an outsider's 
> perspective—who is right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what 
> extent are they wrong and so on.
> 
> In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and mortify all 
> your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can serve your own 
> needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of having life add 
> itself up to you consistent with your own self-determined predilections.
> 
> There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between Judy and 
> Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and contemplating what 
> that truth is independent of your violent and reflexive reactions to Judy—and 
> your, because of your experience in being scrutinized by Judy in the past, 
> strong bias towards wanting her opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero 
> in this.
> 
> I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence the 
> way I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of shit. And 
> Curtis the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into the matter, I 
> cannot traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly, honestly, and 
> truthfully. 
> 
> And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with something 
> other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other thing she 
> trusts in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be reality, Steve. For 
> reality will adjudicate this dispute in a perfect way.
> 
> Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as beautiful 
> and ruthless as reality?
> 
> Robin
> 

Oy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 01/08/2012 05:40 AM, Susan wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
> >> is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
> >> episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
> >> Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-),
> > I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  So, your 
> > words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  I agree, the books 
> > were not that well written and I was surprised that they sold so well,  but 
> > the story line was great - liberal, feminist middle aged male who has a 
> > long term relationship with a beautiful older woman, the hero against 
> > corporate corruption and personal corruption.
> 
> So were the books written in Swedish as I suspect they were and the 
> translators even translated the poor writing style?  

Yes, with the Swedish title translating as "Men Who Hate Women."

I recall how well 
> the dreadfully written "Celestine Prophecy" sold and how dreadful the 
> movie was as well.
> 
> The Fincher version followed the book and not the movie so it is not 
> really a remake.  It was different enough that didn't feel I was 
> watching a remake.  But the film has flopped at the box office just 
> because it "telegraphed" remake to the public.
> 
> And the critics agree with me on "Melancholia". ;)
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/07/us-usa-film-critics-awards-idUSTRE8060LL20120107
> 
> And it appears that some movie business experts agree with me on the 
> decline of Hollywood:
> http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/what-ails-hollywood-six-experts-weigh-34020
>

Did you see The Mill and The Cross, a film by Lech Majewski, who is Polish? It 
came out this past year.  It is based on a large painting by Pieter Bruegel, 
The Road to Calvary.  Stars Charlotte Rampling and Michael York.  The 
characters in the painting come to life and you are sucked into the action, and 
then taken out again from time to time.  Parallels daily life there in the 
Netherlands and everywhere with the story of the imprisonment, ostracism and 
killing of a person the authorities consider a threat.  In the painting, Jesus, 
who is carrying his cross, is not the central character. It is the bystanders 
and their lives that are the story.  So too in the film.  Amazing, unique film. 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[maskedzebra]

Hey Steve!

You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of this 
play's theme?  What do you make of the main characters? Like Cassius, like 
Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy Stein, and consider: 
what is the essence of what this person is saying? why is she saying what she 
is saying? To what extent can I, by entering fully into the spirit of what has 
said, comprehend fully and exactly what is going on here such as to allow me to 
compose an existentially and intellectually authentic response?

This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy says here 
amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so that I am spared 
the experience of wondering whether any of it is true or not? You will be 
compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be any kind of conversation 
between us until you see that in approaching what Judy Stein has written here, 
you must try to get a hold of the entirety of the truth of what is getting 
expressed—as if, to repeat, you were examining a play, and your daughter was 
assigned the exercise of trying to determine—from an outsider's perspective—who 
is right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what extent are they wrong 
and so on.

In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and mortify all 
your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can serve your own 
needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of having life add 
itself up to you consistent with your own self-determined predilections.

There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between Judy and 
Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and contemplating what 
that truth is independent of your violent and reflexive reactions to Judy—and 
your, because of your experience in being scrutinized by Judy in the past, 
strong bias towards wanting her opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero in 
this.

I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence the way 
I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of shit. And Curtis 
the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into the matter, I cannot 
traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly, honestly, and truthfully. 

And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with something 
other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other thing she trusts 
in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be reality, Steve. For reality will 
adjudicate this dispute in a perfect way.

Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as beautiful 
and ruthless as reality?

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.  It has 
> > clarified my thinking.  Points below:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I appreciate that Steve.  It is really comical that I was
> > > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > > Ravi say those things?  We are such creative creatures.
> > > 
> > > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice but to
> > > be creative, given the reality, now, do you? 
> > > 
> > > > Despite the inability to ever admit that she was wrong,
> > > 
> > > Undoubtedly the next nomination for the Inadvertent Irony
> > > award. Except that it isn't inadvertent; it's just a
> > > continuation of the attempted deception I've already
> > > outlined. But we'll see a *really* inadvertent example
> > > below.
> > > 
> > > > I am optimistic that good will come of this.  I'm pretty sure
> > > > the lip-service of a moral imperative for getting into other
> > > > people's fights will die off.
> > > 
> > > Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> > > from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> > > adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> > > happy to get it from everybody else.
> > 
> > This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be 
> > voluntarily given and would naturally be appreciated.  What
> > I am objecting to is your insistence, along with some others
> > that there is a moral imperative to do so.
> 
> Has it not occurred to you that those who gave you
> such support did so out of a conviction that there
> was a moral imperative to do so?
> 
> (Well, not *all* of them; a couple just wanted to
> put Ravi down because they don't like him.)
> 
> > I was objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so
> > in cases you have chosen as priorities for you,indicated a
> > moral lapse on my part.
> 
> Yup,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any approval 
from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever supports here do it 
out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's approval, concern or support.

Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts cluster 
together.

Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by clusters, 
clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time, party time - have 
fun you all.




On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> OK, here we go again...
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> > FFL for years.
> 
> Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> 
> > 
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He 
> > has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz 
> > aka Rama.
> 
> I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no relationship 
> with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could view everyone 
> here as having associated with former cult members, it kinda defines the 
> place.
> 
> > 
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having 
> > sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.>
> 
> Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals. As far 
> as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion. I don't 
> support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me having sex with 
> others here.
> 
> > 
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> > supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.
> 
> OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> 
> > 
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.>
> 
> I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am against 
> you harassing me here on this board.
> 
> > 
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.>
> 
> No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral imperative 
> to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now. 
> 
> > 
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's 
> > New Year party.
> 
> Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you actually 
> did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had it clarified 
> that people in that particular club wear indicators if they are underage, you 
> claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her out and you drank it. 
> All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck me in.
> 
> So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated behavior, 
> try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and then making up a 
> lot of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> > 
> > 
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > 
> > Signed.
> > 
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> 
> See this is what I was trying to avoid. I'm the lightening rod here Ravi. 
> Focus on me. I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are enlightened 
> or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a special guy you 
> are. I object to your spreading lies about me on this board, but since I have 
> the power to post back, I feel confident that your malicious agenda has no 
> power to hurt me. Over here big guy, Curtis is the one who is making you feel 
> this way. Keep em coming till you post out. There you go, atta boy, keep on 
> punching, punch, punch, punch at the bad, bad man.
> 
> You are not gunna troll me out Ravi. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom 
> > > of expression. 
> > > 
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > information about me. 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 05:40 AM, Susan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
>> is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
>> episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
>> Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-),
> I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  So, your 
> words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  I agree, the books were 
> not that well written and I was surprised that they sold so well,  but the 
> story line was great - liberal, feminist middle aged male who has a long term 
> relationship with a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate 
> corruption and personal corruption.

So were the books written in Swedish as I suspect they were and the 
translators even translated the poor writing style?  I recall how well 
the dreadfully written "Celestine Prophecy" sold and how dreadful the 
movie was as well.

The Fincher version followed the book and not the movie so it is not 
really a remake.  It was different enough that didn't feel I was 
watching a remake.  But the film has flopped at the box office just 
because it "telegraphed" remake to the public.

And the critics agree with me on "Melancholia". ;)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/07/us-usa-film-critics-awards-idUSTRE8060LL20120107

And it appears that some movie business experts agree with me on the 
decline of Hollywood:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/what-ails-hollywood-six-experts-weigh-34020

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Everybody be Internet safe, watch your own backs, 
> > and this too shall pass.  Good fences make good 
> > neighbors and I'm constructing one with 100,000 volts.
> 
> Make sure you have a lot of amperage too. Walking on a carpet can generate as 
> much as 25,000 volts, but it can hardly knock you down.
> 
> Voltage is like water pressure, amperage is the flow rate. Volts X Amperes = 
> Watts which is a better measure of total power. (And I did not know this 
> either, I had to look it up.)

Anyone one the business end of a taser would know!  In fact I think it is the 
high volts, low amps that make them relatively safe but still effective.  

> 
> Spelling correction Curtis: 'manor' is a house, 'manner' is the way something 
> is done. I think you did this twice recently. Education is forever.


Thanks, that is exactly the kind of spelling error I need help with because 
spell check lets it ride. Once I see it as you have pointed out it seems 
obvious.  Any and all corrections are welcome I have learned to spell better 
because of spell check but am not a naturally good speller so I am prone to 
idiocies.  

> 
> I think you are fine. Ravi is a loose cannon. If it ever came to libel, 
> perhaps he might be able to claim insanity.>

Much appreciated.  I believe the legal term that applies is nucking futs but 
that is just my layman's opinion.  




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[zarzari_786]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
> piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
> their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 

Barry, let me underline your above sentence with a big red marker.

> If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
> they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
> actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
> what's going to happen.

You are spot on again. How could people have such a lack of discrimination? 
Especially those who talk about morals and integrity all the time, they have 
totally lost it with me. 

This is the example, the real live example of the discriminative power of the 
pro TMers. It needs you to point this out to them. In both cases they support 
the enlightenment delusions of people, in both cases, this is morally wrong to 
those people. It is a lack of integrity only supported by their sophistry.  All 
those, who supposedly spend the last 17 years to support the agenda of TM, with 
the aim to counterbalance any negative spin on it, they just put those 17 years 
into the trash-bin with this act. Do they think, any higher up in TMO would be 
happy about this, about them lining up behind these cases? Somebody utterly 
abusive as, most probably pi-polar as to his own verdict, show casing 
enlightenment? Or somebody who summoned Maharishi to the court, for his own 
delusional reasons? (Where is Lawson when you need him?) I see no moral 
integrity in this, no sincerity in it at all. I cannot believe all this 
happened here. The TMer in me, that is still there somewhere, in my 
appreciation for what I have received as gifts in my life and youth, is deeply 
disgusted at this.

You, Barry, out of all, you nailed this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh my retarded TM TB, retarded psychologist shukra69. I'm not only
grandiose I'm a megalomaniac.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:11 AM, shukra69  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Rick Archer did not do you any favor and possibly a great deal of harm by
> encouraging your delusions.
> "What is grandiosity?
>
> Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they
> have special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.38
> http://www.bipolardisordersymptoms.info/bipolar-symptoms/grandiosity.htm
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's what bugged me, and I am sorry to bring it up again. Ravi
> discusses
> > > his New Years Night at the "Mist", where he describes having a 19 year
> old
> > > girl hit him up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps
> getting
> > > harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in that story bothered me. I was
> > > rooting for the guy.
> > >
> >
> > LOL.."I was rooting for the guy",love it, but Steve not being a pervert
> > like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey on innocent women it
> only
> > made root for my beloved more. I would only have with sex with her, a
> > goddess or just stay single. Anyway I don't know if I mentioned it or if
> > you are conveniently forgetting it. I didn't realize she was under 21 but
> > the bartender pointed it out and soon the security kicked her out.
> Anyway I
> > ended up ending drinking the shot of Tequila I bought and 2 more because
> I
> > now missed my beloved. This incident only confirmed my love for my
> beloved.
> >
> > Anyway Curtis had posted the week prior that I couldn't humiliate him but
> > clearly he was crying, try to manipulate everyone by the end. Proved he
> is
> > a bitch of mine, I can tweak him anytime I want..LOL..
> >
> > But Curtis with a sharper eye and higher morals raised a few flags, and
> > > suddenly it's Curtis's who is being accused of debauchery, and becomes
> the
> > > victim of out and out slander, the likes of which I don't think we've
> been
> > > privy to here in some time.
> > >
> > > You raised no objection. When asked by a member if you felt this was
> > > appropiate behavior on Ravi's part, you refused to answer the question
> on
> > > the grounds that the question was not phrased properly.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's just me, but I felt you should have taken a stand, or at
> least
> > > be willing to answer the question one of the first two times it was
> asked.
> > > By the time you did answer it, it had lost any impact.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> " Just  refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation"
> This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story.

Sorry Ravi, but you continued bad behavior here has forced me to subpena the 
actual footage of the night in question. I present it here in the spirit of 
fairness so that this matter can finally be settled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9sAENQNV8


 When
> I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you you
> start running around like wimps...LOL.
> Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
> Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
> back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
> attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears, your
> insecurities, your anxieties.
> Fucking pathetic.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
> to
> > work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
> you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> " Just refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation"


> This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story.
When
> I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you
you
> start running around like wimps...LOL.
What a boring exercise.  But still, Ravi, explain this in context to
your News Year Eve story.  What did I miss  in that exchange?  What shit
were you throwing back at us?

> Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
> Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
> back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
> attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears,
your
> insecurities, your anxieties.
> Fucking pathetic.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute
"Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it
seems
> to
> > work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
> you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members
of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels
to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog 
> is absurd. It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an 
> insult rather than a serious accusation.

Agreed. Prairie dogs have better taste.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Bullshit - implying Curtis using his authority in cults to prey on
teenage blondes is also an insult.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog is
absurd.
> It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an insult rather than a
> serious accusation.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute
"Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it
seems
> to
> > work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members
of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels
to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[curtisdeltablues]

OK, here we go again...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> FFL for years.

Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.

> 
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
> aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka 
> Rama.

I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no relationship with 
Rama at all in any way.  There is a POV where you could view everyone here as 
having associated with former cult members, it kinda defines the place.

> 
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
> with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.>


Supporting who, how?  I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals.  As far 
as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion.  I don't 
support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me having sex with 
others here.

> 
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.

OK, another opinion.  Kinda lame but that is my opinion.


> 
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.>

I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am against 
you harassing me here on this board.

> 
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.>

No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral imperative to 
jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now.  

> 
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
> Year party.

Actually you lied about it repeatedly.  In your latest version you actually did 
buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had it clarified that 
people in that particular club wear indicators if they are underage, you claim 
you didn't know.  Then you claim they threw her out and you drank it. All after 
you had claimed it was all a lie to suck me in.

So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated behavior, 
try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and then making up a lot 
of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> 
> 
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> 
> Signed.
> 
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71


See this is what I was trying to avoid.  I'm the lightening rod here Ravi.  
Focus on me.  I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are enlightened 
or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a special guy you are. 
 I object to your spreading lies about me on this board, but since I have the 
power to post back, I feel confident that your malicious agenda has no power to 
hurt me.  Over here big guy, Curtis is the one who is making you feel this way. 
 Keep em coming till you post out. There you go, atta boy, keep on punching, 
punch, punch, punch at the bad, bad man.


You are not gunna troll me out Ravi.  









> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> 
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me. 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

Xeno, I am sorry to say that you are a buffoon.  What is it you are
trying to say, because what I am hearing sounds pretty lame?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
> If you see someone through the lens of the past, what they have done,
or have not done, you do not see them as they are now. You will not be
able to see if they have evolved or not, that is, have changed in some
way, for better or worse: you will remain blind, even if your
characterisation of the moment is correct.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past. He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

" Just  refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation"
This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story. When
I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you you
start running around like wimps...LOL.
Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears, your
insecurities, your anxieties.
Fucking pathetic.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
fairness,
> and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
> refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation.
>
> Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
to
> work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
you
> go elsewhere.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past.
> He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick
> Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me
> on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
freedom
> of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

If you see someone through the lens of the past, what they have done, or have 
not done, you do not see them as they are now. You will not be able to see if 
they have evolved or not, that is, have changed in some way, for better or 
worse: you will remain blind, even if your characterisation of the moment is 
correct.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> FFL for years.
> 
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
> aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka 
> Rama.
> 
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
> with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.
> 
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.
> 
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.
> 
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.
> 
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
> Year party.
> 
> 
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> 
> Signed.
> 
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> 
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me. 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog is absurd.
It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an insult rather than a
serious accusation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
fairness,
> and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation.
>
> Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
to
> work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest you
> go elsewhere.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past.
> He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick
> Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me
> on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
freedom
> of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to. 
You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of fairness,
and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or speculation.

Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems to
work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest you
go elsewhere.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
>
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past.
He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick
Lenz aka Rama.
>
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.
>
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
>
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.
>
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.
>
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
>
>
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
>
> Signed.
>
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
>
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me
on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> >
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > You are more understanding and principled than I would be, 
> > Curtis, when it comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  
> > While you would hope that people would not take chat room 
> > comments as significant, many people do in fact not know 
> > quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even 
> > lies and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature 
> > and character of Ravi's posts pretty much informs the reader 
> > that the content is likely not true.  Apparently Ravi is not 
> > at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of 
> > this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of 
> > boundary.
> 
> This is an interesting comment, wayback, and a trend
> that has not escaped me in the past. There seems to be
> a contingent here who really *don't* have any boundaries,
> because they are so convinced that the way they see things
> equals Truth. I have no such illusions. So it sometimes
> escapes me how others can.

This is one of the characteristics of a decent awakening (that is, a clear one) 
that one's thoughts are not really true, they just have various degrees of 
correspondence with aspects of experience, and the further we get away from 
basic 'fact' (what, when, where) in the direction of metaphysics, the greater 
the discrepancy. These sentences of mine have no truth guarantee, they are just 
trying to paint an image.

For example Zen Master Seung Sahn (of whom I know nothing other than the web 
page I found this on) says:

"But everybody thinks, `My opinion is correct!' Even Zen Masters are like this. 
Ten Zen Masters will have ten different ways of teaching, and each Zen Master 
will think that his way is the best. Americans have an American opinion; 
Orientals have an Oriental opinion. Different opinions result in different 
actions, which make different karma. So when you hold on to your own opinions, 
it is very difficult to control your karma, and your life will remain 
difficult."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> The thing I am most associated for life on in Google is 
> for my opinions about the movement, and even though I am 
> proud of those articles, I know they could make me appear 
> weird and scare people off.  I admitted that I was in a 
> group like TM for 15 years!  Internet reputations are 
> weird like that.  

Well said. That's really it.

After owning up to our participation in a Class-A
cult, what could possibly be more demeaning?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick 
> > > them out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with 
> > > his abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of 
> > > abusive crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things 
> > > to talk about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in 
> > > any civil way a long while ago.  
> > 
> > As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here Doug, I just can't 
> > reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case 
> > that proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> > willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> > 
> > 
> You are more  understanding and principled than I would be, Curtis, when it 
> comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  While you would hope that 
> people would not take chat room comments as significant, many people do in 
> fact not know quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even lies 
> and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature and character of Ravi's 
> posts pretty much informs the reader that the content is likely not true.  
> Apparently Ravi is not at this time concerned about his own reputation in all 
> of this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of boundary.

Nice of you to speak up Susan.  I believe that I might be more likely hurt by 
some possible gig employer by my outspoken view on God here as for anything 
Ravi can cook up.  Plus I am not dependent on any one boss in my job. I really 
like that. Some one individual or school might read something and not hire me, 
but noone controls all my income.  So it would suck a little,  but not be 
devastating.  I have a good reputation where it matters.

The thing I am most associated for life on in Google is for my opinions about 
the movement, and even though I am proud of those articles, I know they could 
make me appear weird and scare people off.  I admitted that I was in a group 
like TM for 15 years!  Internet reputations are weird like that.  But I have to 
own my personal history and given my artistic life choices, I believe I will be 
just fine.  No troll has that power over me.  Of course you wont see me running 
for public office either!

But that was sweet of you to say and given the downsides of any support posts I 
appreciate it. (Thanks to Raunchy for sticking her neck out too.)  I am not 
advocating another round of Ravi castigation leading to Ravi being contrite for 
a minute and a half and then returning to his usual MO again as soon as the 
fuss dies down.  He is a cost of freedom.  I don't like it, but it is better in 
my opinion than the alternative.  And Rick's hands off policy has been tested 
many times before and has always come out in the end to represent wisdom.  I 
don't believe Ravi has the power to break that now.





   






> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of 
> > > > freedom of expression. 
> > > > 
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > > information about me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on FFL 
for years.

Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka Rama.

He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.

Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.

He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.

His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.

He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
Year party.


Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us

Signed.

Raunchydog
Duveyoung
Buck
Feste37
Wayback71


On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> 
> This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> about me. 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Everybody be Internet safe, watch your own backs, 
> and this too shall pass.  Good fences make good 
> neighbors and I'm constructing one with 100,000 volts.

Make sure you have a lot of amperage too. Walking on a carpet can generate as 
much as 25,000 volts, but it can hardly knock you down.

Voltage is like water pressure, amperage is the flow rate. Volts X Amperes = 
Watts which is a better measure of total power. (And I did not know this 
either, I had to look it up.)

Spelling correction Curtis: 'manor' is a house, 'manner' is the way something 
is done. I think you did this twice recently. Education is forever.

I think you are fine. Ravi is a loose cannon. If it ever came to libel, perhaps 
he might be able to claim insanity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> You are more understanding and principled than I would be, 
> Curtis, when it comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  
> While you would hope that people would not take chat room 
> comments as significant, many people do in fact not know 
> quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even 
> lies and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature 
> and character of Ravi's posts pretty much informs the reader 
> that the content is likely not true.  Apparently Ravi is not 
> at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of 
> this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of 
> boundary.

This is an interesting comment, wayback, and a trend
that has not escaped me in the past. There seems to be
a contingent here who really *don't* have any boundaries,
because they are so convinced that the way they see things
equals Truth. I have no such illusions. So it sometimes
escapes me how others can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them 
> > out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with his 
> > abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of abusive 
> > crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things to talk 
> > about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any civil 
> > way a long while ago.  
> 
> As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here Doug, I just can't 
> reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case that 
> proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> 
> 
You are more  understanding and principled than I would be, Curtis, when it 
comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  While you would hope that 
people would not take chat room comments as significant, many people do in fact 
not know quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even lies and 
misinformation have an effect, altho the nature and character of Ravi's posts 
pretty much informs the reader that the content is likely not true.  Apparently 
Ravi is not at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of this - 
that concern is what usually provides some sort of boundary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom 
> > > of expression. 
> > > 
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > information about me.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Susan]

My memory is not half as sharp as yours.  I would have to get the book back and 
check out these details.  I read it when it first came out about 3 years ago.  

Also, I have very Republican friends who adored the books and this movie.  Yet 
they continue with very Repubican ideas about corporations, money, health care. 
 I always hope movies can change people's minds.  I think they do, but slowly 
over time the messages seep into the collective consciousness.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon 
> > > Tattoos," this is really a review of two versions of the same 
> > > story. In yesterday's episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For 
> > > An Audience Who Will Probably Never Watch The Films Being 
> > > Reviewed :-), ...
> > 
> > I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  
> > So, your words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  
> 
> Thanks for your reply. Perhaps you can solve a mystery 
> for me. There were a couple of plot points in the movies
> that differed, and I wonder how they were handled in the
> book. First, there is a scene towards the end when one
> character witnesses a car accident in which someone dies.
> In the book, did this character have the choice whether 
> to save the person, or not? The other question is with
> regard to the endings of the two movies, particularly 
> the details of how Lizbeth walks away, and into the 
> sequels. I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> Which was closest to the book?
> 
> [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> 
> > I agree, the books were not that well written and I was surprised 
> > that they sold so well,  but the story line was great - liberal, 
> > feminist middle aged male who has a long term relationship with 
> > a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate corruption 
> > and personal corruption. Altho not new information, it was 
> > interesting to see just what the Swedes take for granted (and 
> > we don't have here) - free medical care, for one.  Another 
> > interesting aspect was how things are more coherent in a smaller 
> > country with fewer regions and cultures to work with.  I wondered 
> > as I read these books if one result would be to make conservatives 
> > here in the USA look around and think differently.  
> 
> Or whether they'd ever be allowed to be broadcast. This
> is the same question that occurred to me when watching
> the Danish version of "The Killing" recently. The second
> season is heavy-duty military/guvmint conspiracy theory. 
> I doubt very seriously whether the American remakers of 
> the series are going to mirror this plotline in their 
> US version.
> 
> > I think movies are more powerful than the legal system, in some 
> > ways, in changing the group think of people.  
> 
> I completely agree. Plus, they cost less, and there is
> the popcorn. :-)
> 
> > Now we need a movie just as intriguing and compelling as Dragon 
> > Tattoo about climate change!
> 
> I agree. It would have to tell a great story, one that
> people could identify with, and thus *feel* how climate 
> change would/will affect their lives. That would do more 
> to raise world awareness of the issue than a thousand 
> scientific papers or impassioned rants on the blogosphere.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then
> I think the onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn
> Rick that this scenario could go south and ugly in a nanosecond
> and that it is not merely his Yahoo group at stake, but it is a 
> community's worth of wisdom and struggle that might be lost to
> the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously
> indifferent to the civilities of the group" poster.

For the record, in addition to Yahoo's archive, FFL is
archived entirely independently of Yahoo at the site
Mail-Archive.com. Very smart of Rick to have arranged
this just in case Yahoo ever decided to toss FFL,
exactly so that the "community's worth of wisdom and
struggle" would *not* be lost to the world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[obbajeeba]

Pfft. : )

Show some case history of this actually happening, with a forum full of writers 
and us want to be's. A forum of computer programmer's and retired folks and 
beards.
A forum of people who are worried they won't get a job if some see what someone 
else has said about them? Then it is best not to be on a forum, go to FACEBOOK, 
they will protect you there and data mine the feces out of your name. Facebook 
is, "the new employment resume." 
Sell your soul to FB? : )



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Don't forget that if Yahoo can be triggered into shutting down FFL for 
> violations of Yahoo's rules, then those rules probably include shutting FFL 
> down if there's any chance that Yahoo will become involved in a lawsuit or be 
> accused of criminality.
> 
> Case in point:  Ravi's statements might actually constitute libel and if FFL 
> egregiously allows that to continue after FFL's been repeatedly warned that 
> it is doing so, then both Ravi, FFL's moderators and Yahoo could all be named 
> parties in at least a civil dispute.  You guys got $50,000 to pay lawyers to 
> defend yourselves?
> 
> I would think that Curtis has given just such a warning to FFL even if he's 
> such a nice guy that he'd merely leave FFL instead of starting a lawsuit.  
> 
> Not that I'm saying any such action would have much legal traction, but we 
> must note that Yahoo will cut off FFL at the very first sign that Yahoo might 
> have to pay a lawyer dime one.  It simply will not care in the least about us 
> here.
> 
> Therefore:  just as anyone here has the possible power to shut down FFL by 
> anonymously flooding it with porn and then complaining to Yahoo about it as 
> "a concerned citizen," so too can Curtis give a simple "heads up email" to 
> Yahoo that he might be suing it for yada yada, and BAM all our posts are 
> probably forever inaccessible or out-rightly erased.  
> 
> Therefore I say:  Ravi is the cause of this risk -- not Rick's largess or 
> that Curtis is somehow so wrong that Ravi is forced by integrity to besmirch 
> Curtis by possibly slandering him.   
> 
> And, hey, Ravi:  There's war mongers here and you're worried about Curtis 
> wanting sex?  Get the fuck real.  
> 
> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then I think the 
> onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn Rick that this scenario 
> could go south and ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo 
> group at stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom and struggle that 
> might be lost to the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously 
> indifferent to the civilities of the group" poster.
> 
> Edg
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > > levels of civility here.
> > 
> > You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> > longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> > likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> > participants they find disagreeable.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.  It has 
> clarified my thinking.  Points below:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > I appreciate that Steve.  It is really comical that I was
> > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > Ravi say those things?  We are such creative creatures.
> > 
> > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice but to
> > be creative, given the reality, now, do you? 
> > 
> > > Despite the inability to ever admit that she was wrong,
> > 
> > Undoubtedly the next nomination for the Inadvertent Irony
> > award. Except that it isn't inadvertent; it's just a
> > continuation of the attempted deception I've already
> > outlined. But we'll see a *really* inadvertent example
> > below.
> > 
> > > I am optimistic that good will come of this.  I'm pretty sure
> > > the lip-service of a moral imperative for getting into other
> > > people's fights will die off.
> > 
> > Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> > from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> > adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> > happy to get it from everybody else.
> 
> This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be 
> voluntarily given and would naturally be appreciated.  What
> I am objecting to is your insistence, along with some others
> that there is a moral imperative to do so.

Has it not occurred to you that those who gave you
such support did so out of a conviction that there
was a moral imperative to do so?

(Well, not *all* of them; a couple just wanted to
put Ravi down because they don't like him.)

> I was objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so
> in cases you have chosen as priorities for you,indicated a
> moral lapse on my part.

Yup, that's the accusation. Note that the "you" in
what you wrote applies not just to me but to a number
of people here who are sick and tired of Barry's
behavior and the effect it has on the atmosphere of
FFL generally (regardless of whether they've been his
targets).

And you're the point man in this situation because
Barry *respects* you, as do most others on the forum.
Whether you like it or not, that endows you with a
greater responsibility.

> My argument has always been that we all pick our battles
> here depending on lots of personal factors and that we
> all do this.  I felt you were being unfair and that the
> standard you are applying to me is untenable and
> represents a hypocritical standard that you yourself
> could not live up to on a board like this. It all comes
> down to our own judgement calls about what needs
> defending.  I don't believe you need any defense against
> Barry I believe you do a fine job defending yourself.  I
> suspect you believe the same thing about me with Nabbie
> and Ravi.

Two points: This isn't just about Barry and me. You keep
trying to make it so because it's easier for you to make
your case if it's just a petty grudge match between two
people. But in reality it's a much broader issue than that,
as I suggested above. It includes, just for one thing, the
fact that not all the many people Barry attacks have the
ability to defend themselves that I do.

Second, and I've made this point before, to hold Nabby's
and Ravi's behavior equivalent to Barry's is patently
absurd. Awhile back I analogized Nabby's attacks to a toy
gun that, when you pull the trigger, pops up a little
flag that says "Bang!" The same applies to Ravi's attacks,
although his toy gun actually shoots spitballs that have
the potential to sting a bit if they land.

Barry (staying within the analogy) uses a real gun that
shoots real bullets and is capable of doing real damage.

(Caveat, just in case it wasn't clear: The weapons in
this analogy, including Barry's "real gun with real
bullets," are just words on a monitor screen.)

> But then I am arguing against your judgement and opinion
> about what is proper and that is futile from the perspective
> of changing your mind, but useful in terms of articulating
> my own lines.  As long as you have a cordial relationship
> with Ravi, and I have one with Barry I am all for live and
> let live here.  We each pick our battles and if someone
> chooses to come to our defense, good on them.  Either you get
> my perspective and agree with it, or you don't but at least
> I have stated how I see it and why I don't accept the charges
> from you or anyone else that I am obligated to scold someone.
> No one is.

I'm wondering how and where you draw your lines. People
you have held up as moral models--MLK, Gandhi--spent
their lives (in those two cases gave the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > levels of civility here.
> 
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>

My user appreciates this kind of freedom. This is what attracted me to the 
cause!  The Universe is expanding!  
Yay!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[merudanda]

yeah hope i know what you mean : not so dramatic- here part of S.L.
scene description:
"Salander saw the truck swerve and flash its lights, but the collision
was unavoidable. M.. drove straight into the truck and the sound of the
crash was terrible. ...She went up a hill past the  scene of the
crash...A man was spraying the flames with a small fire extinguisher.
  She was soon rolling across the bridge at a low speed. She parked
outside the cottage and walked back to ... house."

no avenging  pistolero (dirty Harry)scene...
gotta sleep now
will be back [:D]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a
story
> > told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
> > question
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> > > because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> > > Which was closest to the book?
> > >
> > > [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> > > you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> >
> > since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
> > spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
> > Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was
> > in the film and cut out)in E .-translation:
> > "What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.
>
> That's interesting. And the car scene?
>

[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It... My Life Belongs To Him

[Paulo Barbosa]

Think About It... My Life Belongs To Him

"My beloved is mine, and I am his" (Song of Songs 2:16).

The Lord is ours and our life is given to Him. Could we want
something better? Could we be happier? Think about it...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick 
> > > them out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with 
> > > his abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of 
> > > abusive crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things 
> > > to talk about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in 
> > > any civil way a long while ago.  
> > 
> > As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here, I just can't 
> > reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case 
> > that proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> > willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> > 
> >
> 
> CurtisDb, not everyone needs to belong to every group and groups have a right 
> to protect their normative values from individuals who would seek to subvert 
> and overthrow them.  What does this guy really share with this group?  He got 
> interviewed at one point by Rick?  As far as I can see he has nothing to do 
> with Fairfield and holds a lot of contempt for most of what is here.  He 
> deserves to be unsubscribed to protect our larger group life.  It would be a 
> good sacrifice to make for the community to have the moderators unsubscribe 
> the guy.  Banishment and shunning has their place for survival of the group 
> culture.  He is plainly a communal malefic here.  Git rid of him.
> 
> Best Regards,
> -Buck
> 
>  
Yes, first they came for our dome badges, but no one noticed.
Then they came for our Saints, but no one noticed. 
Then they came for our Jyotish Pandits, but no one noticed.
Then they came for every spiritual faceted forum and everyone jumps on a band 
wagon to shoot the messenger!!!


> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of 
> > > > freedom of expression. 
> > > > 
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > > information about me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Nice to see where you stand on this issue Richard.  Can't say I am surprised. 
>  Perhaps you feel a bit displaced as most trollish poster here.
> 
> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> 
> 
> You are accusing us a sex crime on a public posting board Richard.  And given 
> our mix of friendly discussions this is uncalled for and out of line.  Your 
> wacky troll routine has crossed a line here.
> 
>  
>
Not to put your pretzel in a twist, but, referring to him  
willyrichardtexwhatever, as wacky is just as guilty of slander, as any of that 
which you accuse Ravi and he of. Just saying. 
It is good some have finally woken up to the data mined world of the internet. 
It is a harsh reality when one learns late. Like a teenage girl who sent the 
boyfriend a photo had no idea of search results in a public forum. There is no 
privacy on the internet, never has been and only post what you intend to 
spread. Play the game of chess, don't destroy, dudes. Get smarter to the 
Krishna running away with the butter, you can not stop Krishna, he is absolute!

I find it best not to drink jack daniels in the morning oj during Sunday 
brunch. ; )

 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Ravi discusses his New Years Night at the "Mist", 
> > > > where he describes having a 19 year old girl hit him 
> > > > up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps 
> > > > getting harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in 
> > > > that story bothered me. I was rooting for the guy.
> > > > 
> > Ravi:
> > > To date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing 
> > > they have said here suggests they disagree or that they 
> > > aren't perverts or that they haven't used their power, 
> > > authority in cults to prey on innocent women.
> > >
> > So, you're saying that these two, who once ran the TMO 
> > cult, used to use their power and authority to prey on 
> > innocent women? 
> > 
> > What in the world were they thinking? 
> > 
> > Why would Barry and Curtis spend close to twenty-five 
> > years in cults in order to seduce young women when they 
> > could do it like you do rignt in a bar or a tavern?
> > 
> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> > 
> > If true, then this is just outrageous! 
> > 
> > > I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was 
> > > tweaking Curtis, intentionally lying, but the fact that 
> > > his responses were so mild clearly suggests there is 
> > > some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to talk about 
> > > it more.
> > >
> > Apparently nobody wants to talk about it anymore. Maybe
> > that's because it is still going on up in Fairfield. From
> > what I've heard, the TMO authorities up there are living
> > a riotus life of abject indulgence, with 'spas' and 
> > tantric yoga clinics all over the place; eating organic 
> > health food while the rest of the town eats cake. 
> > 
> > Go figure.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

Edg:
> And, hey, Ravi: There's war mongers here and you're 
> worried about Curtis wanting sex? 
>
It has NOT been established that Curtis wants sex. Do 
you have a lawyer that can prove that?

> Get the fuck real.
>
Now I'm really scared - I take back any sexting I ever
did on this forum. Isn't that just like the TMO - to
try and interfere with the spreading of knowledge!

So, you guys should just shut up about Marshy's private
sex life!

And, hey, Ed: They're sexting each other here and you're
worried about a "war monger" posting his opinion? You're 
not making any sense. Don't you like sex anymore?

> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations,
> then I think the onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all 
> love, I warn Rick that this scenario could go south and 
> ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo
> group at stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom 
> and struggle that might be lost to the world because of 
> the actions of a single "outrageously indifferent to the
> civilities of the group" poster.
>
"Don't even bother to shut it down." - MMY

> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce 
> > > the highest levels of civility here.
> > 
> > You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until 
> > Rick decides he no longer wants FFL to be an almost 
> > anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to remain
> > disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> > participants they find disagreeable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a story 
> told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
> question
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > 
> > I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> > because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> > Which was closest to the book?
> >
> > [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> > you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> 
> since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
> spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
> Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was 
> in the film and cut out)in E .-translation:
> "What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.

That's interesting. And the car scene? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

marekreavis:
> ...it's not my contention that anything was "proved" 
> in Judith's book, only that her story, seemed plausible 
> to me. 
>
So, did you ever get a chance to cross examine MMY and
get his side of the story? Now that he's passed away he
can't defend his own good name. But, you'd think his
own desciples would come to his defense. Go figure.

> There's not enough (if any) evidence that we have to 
> actually determine what, if anything, occurred between 
> Maharishi and Judith, or anyone else.
> 
Apparently the only evidence is a report by Judith, but
I wonder where Jemima Pittman, Nandi Keshore, and Nancy
were that night. From what I've read, MMY used to post
skin-boy outside his door at all times.

For many reasons, I just can't imagine a guy like MMY
doing it to a gal on his deer skin rug under a photo of
SBS up on the roof of his house that didn't even have 
a bathroom in it or running water. 

> It doesn't seem far fetched to me that a guy like him, 
> who obviously enjoyed power and privilege, wouldn't 
> also be attracted to others sexually.
>
So, why do you think the informants Barry and Curtis are 
in such denial? They seem really scared of Ravi telling 
the truth about the TMO and their nefarious sexcapades
in bars. I mean if their guru did it, why wouldn't they?

Why would they let MMY have all the fun? It doesn't make
any sense. According to Ned Wynn, having sexual 
relations on TTC was just about the main activity!

> That doesn't mean that he actually engaged in sexual 
> activities with anyone, but as unique as he appeared 
> to be in lots of ways, I don't know why we would assume 
> that he was exempt from natural human desire and behavior 
> when he exhibited other normal human characteristics.
> 
> His proclivities, one way or the other, are not before 
> us in any sort of forensic setting where we might hope 
> to come to a more accurate determination. And even if 
> they were, we could still come to the wrong conclusion.
> 
> So, go figure, eh?
> 
Well, I figure you must have paid Judith $37.50 for a 
lousy paperback book with a few louse photos in it. Then
you passed it around to all your friends up there in
Fairfield. Or, did you get your dog-eared copy from Rick?

I got screwed by a old geezer into buying the trashy book,
but after reading it I threw it in the trash where it
belongs! 

> > > I don't think that he was a pervert or
> > > inordinately lecherous.
> > >
> > It's a very weak defense, Marek - apparently
> > I'm the only real defender of Maharishi
> > Mahesh Yogi on this entire list.
> > 
> > Go figure.
> > 
> > It has NOT been established that MMY had
> > sexual relations with anyone. You would
> > think that at least one informant would be
> > able to provide evidence if this were true.
> > 
> > Without some evidence, or an believable
> > eyewitness report, I'm just not buying it.
> > 
> > So, let's review:
> > 
> > Are we to believe that Judith walked over
> > to Marshy's house, in the dead of night,
> > climbed in through the bedroom window,
> > and had sexual relations with MMY on his
> > deer skin rug under a painting of Guru Dev.
> > 
> > With Nanda Kishore asleep in the living
> > room and Ms Pittman posted at the front
> > door?
> > 
> > This is just outrageous!
> > 
> > 
> > According to Nancy, you could hear a pin
> > drop on a warm night up there on the hill
> > in Rishikesh India.
> > 
> > Are you thinking that Judith could get
> > within ten feet of the Maharishi without
> > anyone in the whole ashram knowing about
> > it?
> > 
> > Secretly traisping over to MMY's house,
> > with a flashlight and probably with duck
> > tape on their ankle bells, to what, give MMY
> > a sexy back rub?
> > 
> > It just doesn't make any sense, Marek.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[merudanda]

great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a story 
told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> Which was closest to the book?
>
> [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was in the
film and cut out)in E .-translation:
"What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.
May I remind you the book and the E -translation has been heavy--heavy
edited and "cut"down to "readable" size and was orig. not intended by
Stieg Larsson to be published --at least not in his digital form-(his
life in hiding would give a "good story line"---who knows-- when USA
want to risk their diplomatic relationship with Sweden...they should
make a movie) [:D]
  [:D]

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[Tom Pall]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[Duveyoung]

Don't forget that if Yahoo can be triggered into shutting down FFL for 
violations of Yahoo's rules, then those rules probably include shutting FFL 
down if there's any chance that Yahoo will become involved in a lawsuit or be 
accused of criminality.

Case in point:  Ravi's statements might actually constitute libel and if FFL 
egregiously allows that to continue after FFL's been repeatedly warned that it 
is doing so, then both Ravi, FFL's moderators and Yahoo could all be named 
parties in at least a civil dispute.  You guys got $50,000 to pay lawyers to 
defend yourselves?

I would think that Curtis has given just such a warning to FFL even if he's 
such a nice guy that he'd merely leave FFL instead of starting a lawsuit.  

Not that I'm saying any such action would have much legal traction, but we must 
note that Yahoo will cut off FFL at the very first sign that Yahoo might have 
to pay a lawyer dime one.  It simply will not care in the least about us here.

Therefore:  just as anyone here has the possible power to shut down FFL by 
anonymously flooding it with porn and then complaining to Yahoo about it as "a 
concerned citizen," so too can Curtis give a simple "heads up email" to Yahoo 
that he might be suing it for yada yada, and BAM all our posts are probably 
forever inaccessible or out-rightly erased.  

Therefore I say:  Ravi is the cause of this risk -- not Rick's largess or that 
Curtis is somehow so wrong that Ravi is forced by integrity to besmirch Curtis 
by possibly slandering him.   

And, hey, Ravi:  There's war mongers here and you're worried about Curtis 
wanting sex?  Get the fuck real.  

And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then I think the onus 
DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn Rick that this scenario could go 
south and ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo group at 
stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom and struggle that might be lost 
to the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously indifferent to 
the civilities of the group" poster.

Edg

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > levels of civility here.
> 
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce 
> > the highest levels of civility here.
> >
Alex Stanley:
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until 
> Rick decides he no longer wants FFL to be an almost 
> anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to remain 
> disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>
Yeah, Buck, just start your own FFL enemies list. LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > > I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point 
> > > where something may have to be done...
> > >
> > Yeah, I guess Rick will have to ban Raunchdog, Turquoiseb,
> > DeltaBlues, Vaj, Ravi, Zazari, and 'futur.musik', for 
> > sexting on FFL. Why did they do it, that's the question. 
> > I already told them I'm not gay.
> >
> > Where is Alex when we need him?
> >
seventhray1
> Where is your own self control?
> 
Look, I already told you at least four times last week 
I DID NOT have sexual relations with that dog, raunchy!

Are you implying that sexting is forbidden on FFL? Where
have I been? Go figure.

Top Ten Reasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/290105

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

You are a writer Robin, and quite a good one IMNSHO, so you know
specifics, are what make a point.  So, yes, I would appreciate
specifics.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> Do you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me,
not
> for you.
>
> Yes, I would, thank you. I would welcome it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
 wrote:
>
>
> > > This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age
> > > of freedom of expression...
> > >
> turquoiseb:
> > I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point where
> > something may have to be done...
> >
> Yeah, I guess Rick will have to ban Raunchdog, Turquoiseb,
> DeltaBlues, Vaj, Ravi, Zazari, and 'futur.musik', for sexting on
> FFL. Why did they do it, that's the question. I already told
> them I'm not gay.
>
> FairfieldLife/message/290105
> 
>
> Where is Alex when we need him?
Where is your own self control?
>
>
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> levels of civility here.

You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no longer 
wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to 
remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those participants they 
find disagreeable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

authfriend:
> Fine, and you think there's nothing fundamentally
> wrong with his constant gratuitous, vicious insults
> and lies about other posters here and his absurd
> posturing about his own spirituality...
>
It's beginning to look like Barry has some sexting
friends here on FFL! Go figure.

FairfieldLife/message/300725
 


> > Just working on your insult tennis game are you?
> > I can tell you've been improving your topspin!
> >
turquoiseb:
> Just reintroducing the concept of reality to
> all of this fantasizing that's been going on.
> In his head the Ravster seems to believe he's
> a real rock star, but in reality his biggest
> groupie probably has to remove her false teeth
> before giving him a blowjob. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[marekreavis]

Richard, it's not my contention that anything was "proved" in Judith's book, 
only that her story, seemed plausible to me. There's not enough (if any) 
evidence that we have to actually determine what, if anything, occurred between 
Maharishi and Judith, or anyone else.

You may or may not be the only real defender of Maharishi on this list, I don't 
know. I am not defending him and I'm not condemning him. I loved the man as my 
guru and have lots of fondness for my time in the movement. It doesn't seem far 
fetched to me that a guy like him, who obviously enjoyed power and privilege, 
wouldn't also be attracted to others sexually. That doesn't mean that he 
actually engaged in sexual activities with anyone, but as unique as he appeared 
to be in lots of ways, I don't know why we would assume that he was exempt from 
natural human desire and behavior when he exhibited other normal human 
characteristics.

His proclivities, one way or the other, are not before us in any sort of 
forensic setting where we might hope to come to a more accurate determination. 
And even if they were, we could still come to the wrong conclusion.

So, go figure, eh?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> marekreavis:
> > I don't think that he was a pervert or
> > inordinately lecherous.
> >
> It's a very weak defense, Marek - apparently
> I'm the only real defender of Maharishi
> Mahesh Yogi on this entire list.
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> It has NOT been established that MMY had
> sexual relations with anyone. You would
> think that at least one informant would be
> able to provide evidence if this were true.
> 
> Without some evidence, or an believable
> eyewitness report, I'm just not buying it.
> 
> So, let's review:
> 
> Are we to believe that Judith walked over
> to Marshy's house, in the dead of night,
> climbed in through the bedroom window,
> and had sexual relations with MMY on his
> deer skin rug under a painting of Guru Dev.
> 
> With Nanda Kishore asleep in the living
> room and Ms Pittman posted at the front
> door?
> 
> This is just outrageous!
> 
> 
> According to Nancy, you could hear a pin
> drop on a warm night up there on the hill
> in Rishikesh India.
> 
> Are you thinking that Judith could get
> within ten feet of the Maharishi without
> anyone in the whole ashram knowing about
> it?
> 
> Secretly traisping over to MMY's house,
> with a flashlight and probably with duck
> tape on their ankle bells, to what, give MMY
> a sexy back rub?
> 
> It just doesn't make any sense, Marek.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

zarzari, I'm glad you resubscribed and got a few posts off.  I hope
things continue to get on track on the practical front.   Especially
good luck with the event you are organizing.  I always enjoy your input.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible.
>
> Thank you Steve for the thumbs up. I was, of course also emotional,
when I wrote this post, so one never knows, WHY one writes, IF one
should respond etc. I do not believe I will 'change' Judy (I have tried
before). I just tried to explain myself, and relativate some of the
things going on here.
>
> Steve, I am having a busy time right now. The collapse of the wave
function came for me last Wednesday with the collapse of my old car,
when the back tier seemed to go off while I was at the highway. I
usually drive quite fast, my country is known for the fast highways,
when, in addition to the warning noise, the car started shaking in the
back. I somehow managed to still make my way home, taking the next exit,
and using small roads. 2 days later now I got myself a new -used- car,
in addition, I have a day job, and I am organizing another event that
will start soon. I will have to concentrate more on these matters, if I
would have known this was coming, I wouldn't have re-subscribed to FFL.
>
> So, I will probably say good bye soon, and I fear, instead of settling
things here, I might have added to some confusion, to the 'drama' going
on here. I am probably a little naive, a bit too direct I guess, that
brings me in trouble. I really didn't want to hurt anyone here, Judy,
when I told her I must have hurt her, refused and said that she is not
hurt, just angry. If I made somebody angry, I don't mind, if I hurt her
(or others) I feel deeply sorry.
>
>
> > The window seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I hope
she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
same
> > old. Well done.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
your
> > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
to
> > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going
on
> > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
yours,
> > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer
you."--zarzari,
> > > > #298541
> > > >
> > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is
utterly
> > > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> > intellect."
> > > > --zarzari, #298541
> > > >
> > > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> > Judy."--zarzari,
> > > > #299795
> > >
> > > Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed demonstrations
of my
> > love bombing to you as per your verdict. (I'm putting on my best
Ravi
> > voice:) You can frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and
look at
> > the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> > >
> > > And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the reasons and
in
> > the circumstances I quoted them. That's one Judy I know.
> > >
> > > Judy, in the past, when you have been criticized here, I sometimes
> > wondered at all the characterizations you have received. I sometimes
> > wondered, how it would be to be on the 'other' side, the Non-Judy
side.
> > To understand those characterizations, you have to be on the other
side,
> > and then you discover a Judy that is not even trying to be
objective,
> > she is mind-reading, knowing what the other persons motives are,
knowing
> > if the person is lying or making something up. She is getting AT
people,
> > wanting to PROVE they are wrong, and goes on in endless nitpicking
> > dialogues, that even your greatest admirers have seen as an
unproductive
> > indulgence, yes also me in the past, fully of sticky emotions, anger
> > etc.
> > >
> > > So, for example, Barry is very often providing a bird eyes view,
not
> > getting into those nitpicking things, and he certainly reveals
aspects
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
> equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
> been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
> and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
> the first thing the official in charge of my application did
> when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
> had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
> office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
> he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found. 
> 
> Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority 
> of them were from Judy Stein.

But none of the "vast majority" of the "few" things from
me he printed out called Barry either a tax criminal or a
pervert, just for the record. (And if he'd looked a little
harder, in fact, he'd have found posts from me defending
Barry from the charge of preying on young women.)

Fortunately I don't have to worry about getting a residency
permit or a job based on what Barry has said on the Internet
about me (including speculation that I'm gay--although any
place or position where that would be a negative wouldn't be
one I was interested in--and insinuations that I'm a racist).

IMO, anybody who's going to evaluate someone for a job or
residency or anything else of significance on the basis
of what's been said about them on Internet forums needs to
have a thorough understanding of Internet culture. Specific,
documented charges of serious misbehavior are one thing;
hostile or joking back-and-forth chatter of the type Barry's
official apparently dug up are quite another.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > We can only try to be proud of what we post and let 
> > the chips fall where they may.
> > 
turquoiseb:
> Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
> someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
> try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
> not spiritual, or moral.
>
Oh, stop you're silly, *IMO*, whinning! 

Some of my fan mail:

Judy Stein:

You scumbucket

>From Kirk:

You're totally fucked willytex you asshole

>From Barry2:

Fuck you, you little fascist shit.

>From Barry Wright:

What Willytex is *really* doing with those prairie dogs
Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
Willy's a troll
Wee Willy Wanker
Willytex's new name!
You had him pegged right - he's a total loser 

Read more:

Subject: Re: My recent fan mail
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.consciousness.mysticism, 
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: November 2, 2006
http://tinyurl.com/7whstxj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

or PBHR for short


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> i.e in Ravspeak = Steve, a pea brained heartland retard.
> My rakshasaa, metaphorical demon of ignorance.
> You have to admit, he is one lucky sonofabitch, lot of good karma he
> has, that he attracts so much attention from me. I still love
him..LOL..
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible. The window
> seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I hope
> she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> > old. Well done.
> >
> >
> > RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window
> seems to have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see
> things differently. I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and
not
> retreat into the same old, same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your
> blindness, your imperviousness is shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond
> the prayers of your "very devout Catholic" wife? I hope not. She must
> find you at times terribly mischievous and irritating. You have NEVER
> taken in the amount of reality and truth that would permit you to make
> the judgments you make. You are perversely selective in almost
> everything you say [except in telling us about your children]. There
is
> no willingness to let realty have some play inside of you, to lead
you,
> to inspire you in your responses. You will never travel into the
> unknown. You don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You are
> looking always, in every instance, to feed your own predetermined
point
> of view. It is an outrage. It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for
you,
> Steve. But evidently there is nothing you can do about this. Your
> niceness is poisoned at its tip. Of course you don't know anything
about
> all this I am telling you, but this does not in any way make it less
> true. But there is no telling you anything, Steve, and you have
already
> got your mind in working order to make some response to this which
will
> miss entirely the impact of what I have said. You won't let anything
hit
> you, Steve. You are innocently conning yourself out of grappling with
> the issues here honestly and existentially. You are ant-existential
ini
> your approach: intellectually and morally. This has nothing to with my
> view of anyone you have discussed by the way. I am not—it is hard
> even to find myself telling you this—attempting to respond to you
> out of our differences of point of view. I accept your point of view
*in
> principle*. But what I find so disappointing and killing to the soul
is
> your strange personal methodology of examining the character of
another
> person. Your experience is so fixed and unchangeable that it will not
> tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of experimental knowledge.
> Everything you read at FFL is only read from the perspective of the
> extent to which it reinforces your prior determinative way of seeing
> someone. Steve, I am sorry, but you don't get a passing grade at all.
Do
> you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not
for
> you. You do have a pulse, right?
> >
> > Your loving friend,
> > Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible. The window seems to have
> > > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I
hope
> she
> > > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> > > old. Well done.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
> your
> > > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
> to
> > > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing
going
> on
> > > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
> yours,
> > > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer
> you."--zarzari,
> > > > > #298541
> > > > >
> > > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply
in
> > > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is
> utterly
> > > > > stu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
  Do you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not
for you.

Yes, I would, thank you.  I would welcome it.