[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? Don't know about them, but he's the old zarzari and the old blusc0ut. Aha, that explains the incoherence. I thought he'd been banned from using personal names here though. He wasn't banned. **Wielding the full violent fury of my moderator iron fist**, I gently reminded him of the rule about not using the real names of anonymous posters, and he was, like, totally cool about it and agreed to stop doing it. Whoa! What a Shakespearean sentence! (emph. add.) :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? No, that have never been handles I used. Don't know about them, but he's the old zarzari and the old blusc0ut. Correct, you may add to this the old mahavid3h
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Long time. Keep yourself in good health. --- Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@... wrote: hi :) 2012/6/9 Jason jedi_spock@... ** Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? --- iranitea no_reply@ wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson: Mahesh was never even a sishya of SBS, and thus has no (none, zero, zip, nada) lineal connection to SBS despite all the posing to the contrary. So if you have a picture of the 'Holy Tradition' in your home, you can cross out all of the people except Mahesh - and then you'd have it right. --- sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. He is also wearing white not red. He makes it clear pictorially that he is NOT an heir to the tradition, and he has always claimed that he is an exponent of his teacher's teachings, not the originator or in any way a successor. Fine lines, I agree. L Spot on observations Lawson. Let's say it's a Gray area. It's a non-linear succession like a branch of a tree giving shoots. The 'conclave picked guy' is the linear successor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip He wasn't banned. **Wielding the full violent fury of my moderator iron fist**, I gently reminded him of the rule about not using the real names of anonymous posters, and he was, like, totally cool about it and agreed to stop doing it. Whoa! What a Shakespearean sentence! (emph. add.) :) And greatly exaggerated. Alex did it all in a very nice and soft way, and after my assurance, restored with light-speed-like immediacy my posting rights. So, thank you all, guys and gals for the warm welcome. Yes, Share, of course you can call me tea. Thank you Buck, I'm happy you can attend to the domes now again, thank you Vaj for your comment, and all others as well, who are well meaning. Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. Because, you see, Nabby, you may accuse me of saying critical things about TM, or things that are forbidden to talk about in a TM, when I feel the context and the environment is suitable. But I cannot be accused of not walking the talk. Btw. I initiated exactly according to the guidelines I had received, doing all the 'steps' verbatim, with the only difference, that I did not charge money, and did it without the org. I also took some liberties at the 3 days checking leaving off some of the more dogmatic stuff. (But I even mentioned it, but more like in 3rd person voice.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Vaj: Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary scripture of the Sri Vidya Tradition is the 'Soundarya Lahari' which was composed by the Adi Shankara. Well, you should know that in all likelihood the 'Soundarya Lahari' was not written by Adi Shankara, but is only attributed to him, as scholars agree. But as such, it does play a big role in the Dasanami Sampradaya. The truth is, that , as with any great author, such attribution of scriptures are commonplace, many scholars today even doubt that the Vivekachudamani is by Shankara. Neiter is Bhaja Govindam. Nevertheless it's an important Advaita Vedanta text. The Saunda contains all the TM bija mantras used by all the Saraswati Sannyasins. The Saunda is the main and most important tantra in the Shankara Saraswati Order, according to Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Swamigal of Sringeri Matha. SBS's succussor, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati of Jotirmath, is the only surviving direct desciple of SBS in the guru parampara, and Vasudevanand fully supports MMY's TM movement. Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most likely know; and the Advahuts zarzari talks about. (#301362) Crazy wisdom is all well and good, but it doesn't work unless the folks to whom you're dishing it out have accepted you as a teacher. And you can't force that on anybody. (#297295) --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: I did no such thing. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? In fact, I *castigated* him for his cranky behavior. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never denied that. But as any objective person who has followed my posts would tell you, I'm not a TB; I can be very critical of the TMO and even of MMY. To criticize me for acknowledging uncertainty because I don't have the facts makes you look like a fool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Yes you did. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? I take note that you start accusing more and more people of this. Seems to be you new tactics: others don't understand what you said, because their English isn't good enough or fluent. In my case you used to praise me for my English in the past, when we were on more friendly terms and before my eyes opened. Why can't you express in good, understandable, colloquial English yourself? But maybe that is not enough for the kind of meaningless sophistries you are involving yourself. In fact, I *castigated* him for his cranky behavior. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never denied that. But as any objective person who has followed my posts would tell you, I'm not a TB; I can be very critical of the TMO and even of MMY. To criticize me for acknowledging uncertainty because I don't have the facts makes you look like a fool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. I have 6 advanced techniques, thank you very much. You ? Well you are busy playing God restricting and tricking souls. Good luck with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? That claim as about Judy. I was just 'checking'(sic) on you. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. I have 6 advanced techniques, thank you very much. You ? If I count correctly I had about the 4th. But I don't practice them anymore. Well you are busy playing God restricting and tricking souls. Not at all. Not playing God but following God's will, you know ;-) Not restricting them, but giving them all the choices. (Hint: somebody who wants to continue with TM adv. programs can get regular, official initiation, without loss), not tricking them, but giving them maximum transparency, something so rare in today's world, don't you think? Good luck with that. Thank you. And I can assure, I haven't been struck by lightening yet. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
I like this analogy. So much that I can't help but extend but with only a sense of what extension means... but they might still enjoy reading Dr. Seuss, yes? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books.
[FairfieldLife] Angkor Wat
This post shows what is the highlight of most visits to Cambodia - Angkor Wat. This is the largest Hindu Temple in the world. Come visit Angkor Wat with us. http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/discovering-indochinaangkor-wat/ Enjoy, Richard
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. Housing for aging TM'ers? TM movement- singles on Mother Divine, Purusha and MUM? started building simple houses that were put at the disposal of the poor. As it became clear how great the need was, a project for building 25,000 houses for widows, handicaped, elderly and other needy people started in 1998. Yep, take a look around the Dome and see a retiree older population. A worthy project for community sustainability would be scaling housing to the needs of social security incomes. $900 or $1,100 per month from SSI. The Howard Settle stipend is not going to last, git ready. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Vastu Cabin! After several months of building it was so fulfilling to show you the finished product and hear your feedback. I'm writing to you today to share our website and facebook page. Like our Facebook page to keep posted on new Vastu Cabin developments! Please enjoy the photos and share with your friends. www.VastuCabin.com www.facebook.com/vastucabin -- www.VastuCabin.com $30K? Without a place to put it? Bourgeois green in new-age vedic woo-woo package. Cute but without a root chakra. Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. The real design problem is a need for something efficient and affordable for meditators coming to be in the Domes on the Howard Settle income stipend of $850 a month. Bankers use rule of thumb, 30% of monthly income for all housing costs. Use that as the design constraint. This bourgeois-y vastu cabin only perpetuates the larger spiritual distraction and sin of materialism. Nothing green about fanning the flames of an over-priced cute green housing that would bury people trying to live a spiritual life. That has already been done here. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary scripture of the Sri Vidya Tradition is the 'Soundarya Lahari' which was composed by the Adi Shankara. iranitea: Well, you should know that in all likelihood the 'Soundarya Lahari' was not written by Adi Shankara, but is only attributed to him, as scholars agree. Get a grip! The Saraswati sanyasins of Sringeri don't care what you or your scholars think about the authorship of their sacred scriptures such as the 'Ananda Lahari'. For this dialog it is enough to establish that all the Saraswati sanyasins meditate at least twice a day using the Saraswati bija mantra. This is a fact that most scholars agree on. In addition to twice daily meditation on the bija mantra of Saraswati, the dasnamis of the Saraswati Order, perform the Saraswati Puja on the 5th day of Magha month, known as Basant Panchami. But as such, it does play a big role in the Dasanami Sampradaya. The truth is, that, as with any great author, such attribution of scriptures are commonplace, many scholars today even doubt that the Vivekachudamani is by Shankara. Neiter is Bhaja Govindam. Nevertheless it's an important Advaita Vedanta text. Can you present any evidence that SBS did not meditate on the TM bija mantra of Saraswati? If SBS got the bija from his master, SKS, why couldn't GD have given it to MMY for his meditation practice? According to Swami Svarupanand Saraswati, SBS used to give out to aspirants the mantra of their ista-devata to use in their meditations, according to the Kropinsky interview. The Saunda contains all the TM bija mantras used by all the Saraswati Sannyasins. The Saunda is the main and most important tantra in the Shankara Saraswati Order, according to Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Swamigal of Sringeri Matha. SBS's succussor, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati of Jotirmath, is the only surviving direct desciple of SBS in the guru parampara, and Vasudevanand fully supports MMY's TM movement. Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. Vaj: You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson... You seem to have missed the salient point here, Vaj. MMY got the TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishnanada Saraswati of Uttar Kashi. Can you post any evidence that MMY got the bijas from another source? All of the Saraswati dasanamis are adherents of the Sri Vidya sect and they follow the teachings contained in the Saunadryalahari which was composed by the Adi Shankara, containing the fifteen TM bija mantras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:32 PM, sparaig wrote: You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. The original painting did NOT have Maheshiji in the painting. He was airbrushed in later.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:33 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. See Jane close her eyes. See Dick stab her with a knife. See Dick unstressing. See college administrators “go meditate”. See dead body being taken away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
The 'conclave picked guy' is the linear successor. sparaig: Not according to Gurudev's will. Only the lineage of Vasudevananda (through Santananda) can be traced directly to Brahmananda, without any interruptions. - Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/dating-Sankara.html
[FairfieldLife] How Buddhists see through TM
Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new research, the team found that the group that engaged in meditation scored higher on average on the RAT than did those that simply sat doing nothing. In the second experiment, another group of volunteers were separated in the same way as those in the first. One group meditated while the other just relaxed for awhile. This time though, after the session, both groups were given a simple computer exam designed to test for an awareness of subliminal messages. Each was asked questions that had multiple answers and which most everyone knew the answers too. The trick however was that one of the answers was flashed very quickly on the screen (fast enough that they were unaware of it being shown) just prior to the person answering. Thus, if the question was: What are the four seasons? The computer would flash the word autumn. In scoring the results, the team found that the meditation group matched the flashed word 6.8 times on average out of 20 questions, while those that did not meditate matched just 4.9 of them. Because of these results, the team says that engaging in meditation clearly opens up some pathways to the brain that allows for more information to enter, and to be retrieved, though they are not sure how that happens or what impact that might have on people who meditate on a regular basis. More information: Zen meditation and access to information in the unconscious, Consciousness and Cognition, In Press, http://dx.doi.org/ . .2012.02.010 Abstract In two experiments and two different research paradigms, we tested the hypothesis that Zen meditation increases access to accessible but unconscious information. Zen practitioners who meditated in the lab performed better on the Remote Associate Test (RAT; Mednick, 1962) than Zen practitioners who did not meditate. In a new, second task, it was observed that Zen practitioners who meditated used subliminally primed words more than Zen practitioners who did not meditate. Practical and theoretical implications are discussed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:32 PM, sparaig wrote: You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. The original painting did NOT have Maheshiji in the painting. He was airbrushed in later. Nonsense as usual. Who told you this, or did you just cook it up as with so much else you claim in your neverending smearcampaign ala Goebbels against the TMO ? Maharishi worked very closely with the artist who painted the Holy Tradition in the 1980's, I know this for a fact. If not for Maharishi's close interaction he probably would have been seated directly under Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. Housing for aging TM'ers? TM movement- singles on Mother Divine, Purusha and MUM? started building simple houses that were put at the disposal of the poor. As it became clear how great the need was, a project for building 25,000 houses for widows, handicaped, elderly and other needy people started in 1998. Yep, take a look around the Dome and see a retiree older population. A worthy project for community sustainability would be scaling housing to the needs of social security incomes. $900 or $1,100 per month from SSI. The Howard Settle stipend is not going to last, git ready. The MAM guarantees the maintenance of the district for 10 years. The inhabitants are not allowed to sell the houses during the first seven years, but after that period, they get full ownership of the house and land. The aim to build 25,000 houses in 5 years' time has already been largely achieved and Amma has now set a higher goal: 100,000 houses in 10 years! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Vastu Cabin! After several months of building it was so fulfilling to show you the finished product and hear your feedback. I'm writing to you today to share our website and facebook page. Like our Facebook page to keep posted on new Vastu Cabin developments! Please enjoy the photos and share with your friends. www.VastuCabin.com www.facebook.com/vastucabin -- www.VastuCabin.com $30K? Without a place to put it? Bourgeois green in new-age vedic woo-woo package. Cute but without a root chakra. Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. The real design problem is a need for something efficient and affordable for meditators coming to be in the Domes on the Howard Settle income stipend of $850 a month. Bankers use rule of thumb, 30% of monthly income for all housing costs. Use that as the design constraint. This bourgeois-y vastu cabin only perpetuates the larger spiritual distraction and sin of materialism. Nothing green about fanning the flames of an over-priced cute green housing that would bury people trying to live a spiritual life. That has already been done here. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new research, the team found that the group that engaged in meditation scored higher on average on the RAT than did those that simply sat doing nothing. In the second experiment, another group of volunteers were separated in the same way as those in the first. One group meditated while the other just relaxed for awhile. This time though, after the session, both groups were given a simple computer exam designed to test for an awareness of subliminal messages. Each was asked questions that had multiple answers and which most everyone knew the answers too. The trick however was that one of the answers was flashed very quickly on the screen (fast enough that they were unaware of it being shown) just prior to the person answering. Thus, if the question was: What are the four seasons? The computer would flash the word autumn. In scoring the results, the team found that the meditation group matched the flashed word 6.8 times on average out of 20 questions, while those that did not meditate matched just 4.9 of them. Because of these results, the team says that engaging in meditation clearly opens up some pathways to the brain that allows for more information to enter, and to be retrieved, though they are not sure how that happens or what impact that might have on people who meditate on a regular basis. More information: Zen meditation and access to information in the unconscious, Consciousness and Cognition, In Press, http://dx.doi.org/ . .2012.02.010 Abstract In two experiments and two different research paradigms, we tested the hypothesis that Zen meditation increases access to accessible but unconscious information. Zen practitioners who meditated in the lab performed better on the Remote Associate Test (RAT; Mednick, 1962) than Zen practitioners who did not meditate. In a new, second task, it was observed that Zen practitioners who meditated used subliminally primed words more than Zen practitioners who did not meditate. Practical and theoretical implications are discussed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'. It wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'. Context is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon. XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once been pretty strong followers of Bhagwan Rajneesh. One day they shared with me the tipping point that led them to abandon his community in Oregon and move back into the real world. They related what for that community -- and even for them -- had once been a Big Fuckin' Deal. A teenage girl who lived in the community had declared her intention to wear a blue dress to her high school prom. What, you might ask, could *possibly* be controversial about this? Well, think about the image that comes to mind when you think about the followers of Rajneesh. They all dress the same, in shades of red, ochre, orange, or yellow. Back during their heyday, if you met someone dressed like that on the street, you pretty much knew at a glance that they were Rajneeshees. This was their uniform. And this girl wanted to wear a blue dress, *and in public*, out among the Great Unwashed of the non- Rajneesh community. It was perceived as heresy, and she was perceived as a heretic. Threats of shunning and other forms of retribution for her sin were invoked, and it became, as mentioned before, a Big Fuckin' Deal. For the family I knew in Santa Fe, this became a kind of epiphany, the event that forced them to realize that they'd become part of a cult, and inspired them to sit down and figure out whether they still wanted to be part of it. But to observers who are NOT part of that community, the only thing this Big Fuckin' Deal inspires is a sense of WTF??? We just can't *conceive* of anyone getting uptight over the color of the clothing one wants to wear. Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. The most common response must be a similar WTF??? For some, they might be able to work up a little interest in a group so fundamentalist as to ostracize or excommunicate their own members for the crime of wanting to learn from a spiritual teacher other than Maharishi. But for most, the WTF probably begins and ends at the concept of going to the domes itself. Who, they might ask themselves, would *want* to drive or trudge across town twice a day and walk, lemming-like, into a couple of gaudy tit-shaped buildings, all for the purpose of meditating and then bouncing up and down on their butts with hundreds of other people? It just does not compute. It's not that the shunning and the persecution of those who sin by seeing other teachers does not compute, it's the WHOLE THING, the unquestioned need to participate in a group ritual that they simply cannot comprehend. And yet to many on this forum, dome attendance or even the so-called right of TMO leaders to exclude from that privilege those who want to extend the frontiers of their spiritual knowledge beyond what Maharishi had to offer is a *given*. They accept it without question. These raps this morning are about that acceptance. I'm of the opinion that many in the TMO movement (and others, but this forum is primarily about TM) really have lost the ability to step back and imagine how they might be perceived by people who were never a part of the community and the indoctrination that they were. They take issues that would never in a million years even be *considered* an issue by 99.9% of the people on the planet and obsess on them as if they were Big Fuckin' Deals. And then they get uptight and scream about being persecuted when someone points out that -- statistically -- *they* are the ones who might just be considered a little weird in this scenario. I guess the only thing I'm suggesting is that fanatics of any flavor might be
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson: Mahesh was never even a sishya of SBS, and thus has no (none, zero, zip, nada) lineal connection to SBS despite all the posing to the contrary. So if you have a picture of the 'Holy Tradition' in your home, you can cross out all of the people except Mahesh - and then you'd have it right. --- sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. He is also wearing white not red. He makes it clear pictorially that he is NOT an heir to the tradition, and he has always claimed that he is an exponent of his teacher's teachings, not the originator or in any way a successor. Fine lines, I agree. Spot on observations Lawson. Let's say it's a Gray area. It's a non-linear succession like a branch of a tree giving shoots. The 'conclave picked guy' is the linear successor. Not according to Gurudev's will. Ahem. It seems to me that both sparaig and Jason are trying to obfuscate the issue. It's not *about* whether Maharishi was *ever* in line to be Brahmananda Saraswati's successor in the Shankara- charya tradition. Ahem. Neither of them claimed he was--to the contrary, in fact. As is so often the case, Barry has fantasized an entirely different discussion than the one he's commenting on, so as to give himself yet another opportunity to demonize TMers. snip The idea that these two common forms of meditation are somehow mutually exclusive is pretty much a TM-only piece of dogma, and IMO based on the simple fact that Maharishi had only one product to sell. Barry is entitled to his opinion. Another possibility is that MMY genuinely believed effortlessness was superior to concentration where meditation was concerned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. You mean, when they were actively teaching, these grade school teachers *did* spend their time at home reading the Dick and Jane books and practicing their ABCs and reading skills? Barry has always been, shall we say, analogically challenged.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: snip When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? That claim as about Judy. I was just 'checking'(sic) on you. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. Actually, as iranitea knows, the fee I referred to as not prohibitive was that for learning basic TM, not for then accumulating advanced techniques at $1,500 a pop. FWIW, I was never told getting advanced techniques was more important than taking the TM-Sidhis course and practicing it regularly, or than going on residence courses/WPAs as frequently as possible (I did both). Plus which, as I've already noted, iranitea has no idea what other things in my life may have been even more important for me to spend money on. If he did, he'd be very busy indeed wiping yet another mess of egg off his face. And as to walking my talk, as I've also pointed out, I've never advocated turning one's life over to the TMO and following all its recommendations without question. So iranitea is indulging in wild fantasies about what my talk actually is. Bottom line, if you're going to double down on an accusation, you really should make sure it has some validity to it. Otherwise all you end up doubling down on is your own foolishness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Yes you did. Let me say it another way: I did no such thing. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? I take note that you start accusing more and more people of this. No, it's always been a problem with certain people. Every once in a while it gets especially amusing. Seems to be you new tactics: others don't understand what you said, because their English isn't good enough or fluent. In my case you used to praise me for my English in the past, when we were on more friendly terms You do fine when you're not engaging in a hostile argument. When you get into hostile mode, you let yourself get so angry that your English comprehension goes in the toilet. Or you become so anxious to get the person you're hating on that your integrity goes in the toilet. Or both. and before my eyes opened. guffaw Why can't you express in good, understandable, colloquial English yourself? I do, actually. Sorry you have such trouble with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
It cuts both ways. It's basicaly a double-edged sword. But there is no concrete proof that the TM-org has such an insidious agenda. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new research, the team found that the group that engaged in meditation scored higher on average on the RAT than did those that simply sat doing nothing. In the second experiment, another group of volunteers were separated in the same way as those in the first. One group meditated while the other just relaxed for awhile. This time though, after the session, both groups were given a simple computer exam designed to test for an awareness of subliminal messages. Each was asked questions that had multiple answers and which most everyone knew the answers too. The trick however was that one of the answers was flashed very quickly on the screen (fast enough that they were unaware of it being shown) just prior to the person answering. Thus, if the question was: What are the four seasons? The computer would flash the word autumn. In scoring the results, the team found that the meditation group matched the flashed word 6.8 times on average out of 20 questions, while those that did not meditate matched just 4.9 of them. Because of these results, the team says that engaging in meditation clearly opens up some pathways to the brain that allows for more information to enter, and to be retrieved, though they are not sure how that happens or what impact that might have on people who meditate on a regular basis. More information: Zen meditation and access to information in the unconscious, Consciousness and Cognition, In Press, http://dx.doi.org/ . .2012.02.010 Abstract In two experiments and two different research paradigms, we tested the hypothesis that Zen meditation increases access to accessible but unconscious information. Zen practitioners who meditated in the lab performed better on the Remote Associate Test (RAT; Mednick, 1962) than Zen practitioners who did not meditate. In a new, second task, it was observed that Zen practitioners who meditated used subliminally
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most likely know; and the Advahuts zarzari talks about. (#301362) --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: And you imagine that this was a justification for Ravi's cranky behavior on what basis, exactly? Did you read the whole post, or just what you quote here? Crazy wisdom is all well and good, but it doesn't work unless the folks to whom you're dishing it out have accepted you as a teacher. And you can't force that on anybody. (#297295) --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: It's even weirder that you would think this was an attempt to justify Ravi's cranky behavior. I was doing precisely the opposite, and that should have been evident just from what you quote. If you'd bothered to read what I said to Ravi immediately above what you quote, you wouldn't have made even that mistake: IMHO, you need to take some responsibility for how you affect others. You can't expect that if you just say, 'I'm a narcissistic enlightened asshole and I love everybody with as much intensity as I love myself,' they're going to go, Oh, well, that's all right then, he can insult me as much as he likes and I won't take offense. IOW, as I already pointed out, I was *castigating* him for his cranky behavior, not trying to justify it. Ask iranitea to lend you the cloth he's using to wipe the egg of his face when he's finished. Or maybe you need to get a fresh one to get the egg off yours. Judy, the term 'narcissistic enlightened asshole' is an oxymoron, an inherent contradiction. You were indirectly telling Ravi that if someone accepts him as his teacher, his 'crazy wisdom is all well and good.'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints? It could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa. Does it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author of The New Believers: Re-imagining God (HarperCollins, 2003) and Curious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple's Nine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern India (2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'. It wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'. Context is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon. XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once been pretty strong followers of Bhagwan Rajneesh. One day they shared with me the tipping point that led them to abandon his community in Oregon and move back into the real world. They related what for that community -- and even for them -- had once been a Big Fuckin' Deal. A teenage girl who lived in the community had declared her intention to wear a blue dress to her high school prom. What, you might ask, could *possibly* be controversial about this? Well, think about the image that comes to mind when you think about the followers of Rajneesh. They all dress the same, in shades of red, ochre, orange, or yellow. Back during their heyday, if you met someone dressed like that on the street, you pretty much knew at a glance that they were Rajneeshees. This was their uniform. And this girl wanted to wear a blue dress, *and in public*, out among the Great Unwashed of the non- Rajneesh community. It was perceived as heresy, and she was perceived as a heretic. Threats of shunning and other forms of retribution for her sin were invoked, and it became, as mentioned before, a Big Fuckin' Deal. For the family I knew in Santa Fe, this became a kind of epiphany, the event that forced them to realize that they'd become part of a cult, and inspired them to sit down and figure out whether they still wanted to be part of it. But to observers who are NOT part of that community, the only thing this Big Fuckin' Deal inspires is a sense of WTF??? We just can't *conceive* of anyone getting uptight over the color of
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? In fact, I have noted for a very long time that I am less susceptible to advertising. Of course, this may be wishful thinking on my part. L
[FairfieldLife] Under The Namibian Sky
A thirteen-and-a-half-minute time-lapse video. Stunning and awesome. Nice musical accompaniment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM5lM5WEY3Qfeature=youtube_gdata_player
[FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most likely know; and the Advahuts zarzari talks about. (#301362) --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: And you imagine that this was a justification for Ravi's cranky behavior on what basis, exactly? Did you read the whole post, or just what you quote here? Crazy wisdom is all well and good, but it doesn't work unless the folks to whom you're dishing it out have accepted you as a teacher. And you can't force that on anybody. (#297295) --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: It's even weirder that you would think this was an attempt to justify Ravi's cranky behavior. I was doing precisely the opposite, and that should have been evident just from what you quote. If you'd bothered to read what I said to Ravi immediately above what you quote, you wouldn't have made even that mistake: IMHO, you need to take some responsibility for how you affect others. You can't expect that if you just say, 'I'm a narcissistic enlightened asshole and I love everybody with as much intensity as I love myself,' they're going to go, Oh, well, that's all right then, he can insult me as much as he likes and I won't take offense. IOW, as I already pointed out, I was *castigating* him for his cranky behavior, not trying to justify it. Ask iranitea to lend you the cloth he's using to wipe the egg of his face when he's finished. Or maybe you need to get a fresh one to get the egg off yours. Judy, the term 'narcissistic enlightened asshole' is an oxymoron, an inherent contradiction. Well, I'm not sure that's the case, actually; it would depend on one's definition of enlightened. But my point was that most people aren't going to accept it as an excuse for cranky behavior. You were indirectly telling Ravi that if someone accepts him as his teacher, his 'crazy wisdom is all well and good.' Wrong. Accepting someone as a teacher is a necessary but not sufficient condition for crazy wisdom to be well and good. IOW, one's crazy wisdom ain't gonna work at all if one hasn't been accepted as a teacher. If one *is* accepted as a teacher, one's crazy wisdom *might* work; but that's not guaranteed. Note that I didn't say, *Your* crazy wisdom. I wasn't even validating that Ravi's behavior had anything to do with crazy wisdom. Nor was I validating his claim to enlightenment. In any case, nobody here had accepted Ravi as a teacher, so even if his cranky behavior *was* crazy wisdom, it wasn't gonna work. He couldn't use that as an excuse for insulting people and expect they'd just smile and take it. He was saying that his claim to be an enlightened asshole *justified* the cranky behavior; I was telling him it didn't. And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO increasing the number of mantras so as to obscure and deceive the public was itself somehow deceptive and malign are not even remotely equivalent. That wasn't just cranky behavior on iranitea's part. Ravi enjoyed taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it, to shock them. Iranitea, in stark contrast, is engaged in a determined and calculatedly malicious campaign against me. The genesis of this campaign goes back to December, when I called him out for making some thoroughly disgraceful comments about someone else.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
And given Mitt's platform, methinks 1 and 2 will not be a part of his agenda. Fear does create a climate of disinvestment. Fear throws us into financial survival mode, which translates to selfish hoarding of *our* money. I've donated significantly less money this year, because I've been unemployed - I might need it *to survive* after all - I still have to keep a house and raise the kids. Why should corporations invest in the US and hire US workers, when the name of the game is $$ and more money is to be made through off-sourcing? I'd like to see all of us dedicate a percentage of our time to volunteering - and take the $$ out of the equation all together. That's my next endeavor when I get back, along with looking for work and preparing to rent part of the house. As a society, we need to re-educate ourselves on what a society is - it's *not* the have's and the have nots. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Yes you did. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? snip I went and read posts #297295 and #297725 back in December 2011 (I had not followed this conversation at the time) and I think Judy's recounting of the exchange is correct. While she seemed to take a softer stance on Ravi than she does with Barry for example, she was chiding him for his behaviour and recommending he take a more comprehensive view of how he was affecting others with his oddities. I do not see that she was justifying Ravi's behaviour at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Locally they are parsing between healers, saints and spiritual teachers. The anxiety is more essentially over purity of the meditational practice and then they get aggravated over anybody teaching spiritual practices generally. John Douglas for instance as a favorite of the TM high caste, of course he is in a different category being non-Indian healer teaching spiritual techniques as a westerner not wearing Eastern garb. A manifest healer teacher saint. For meditators looking after their health and well-being the Transcendental Meditation anti-saint guidelines pose shifting sands. It's a large administrative problem the movement has had for a long while with general membership and Dome numbers. TM has become a pretty small group for all the work they have put in on their anti-saint guideline. A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. The culture on this is probably not going to change much until he empathizes with the communal problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints?  It could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa.  Does it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author of The New Believers: Re-imagining God (HarperCollins, 2003) and Curious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple's Nine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern India (2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'.  It wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'.  Context is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon.  XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once been pretty strong followers of Bhagwan Rajneesh. One day they shared with me the tipping point that led them to abandon his community in Oregon and move back into the real world. They related what for that community -- and even for them -- had once been a Big Fuckin' Deal. A teenage girl who lived in the community had
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
On 06/10/2012 02:39 AM, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iraniteano_reply@ wrote: Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? That claim as about Judy. I was just 'checking'(sic) on you. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. I have 6 advanced techniques, thank you very much. You ? If I count correctly I had about the 4th. But I don't practice them anymore. Well you are busy playing God restricting and tricking souls. Not at all. Not playing God but following God's will, you know ;-) Not restricting them, but giving them all the choices. (Hint: somebody who wants to continue with TM adv. programs can get regular, official initiation, without loss), not tricking them, but giving them maximum transparency, something so rare in today's world, don't you think? Good luck with that. Thank you. And I can assure, I haven't been struck by lightening yet. ;-) But why even bother with teaching TM when there are other methods to teach meditation? After all TM is yoga lite and more a gimmick than anything else. Give people a beej mantra because they're short and have an effect easily even if it isn't sustaining. Have the teachers perform a puja just in case the teacher doesn't have much shakti to enliven any mantra. Many other schools use mantras that are longer like the advanced technique for their technique for the masses. They sustain longer but transcend more slowly. Many are jump started using shaktipat and another technique that teachers must do to assure the mantra works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Housing and utilities for $300 a month. 30% of income. I fully admit to the Steinian Sin of spotty reading, and confess to have followed none of what preceded this. I'm replying just to agree (for once) with one of Buck's pronouncements. :-) I think that housing and utilities should constitute no more than 30% of one's family income. Throw in an additional 10% (19% if you're a rabid conservative) for health care and the guarantee of a pension when you retire, and I think you've got most of the bases of human existence covered. That still leaves the lion's share of one's earned income to spend on lifestyle choices, whether they be frittering the money away on the latest tech or bling, or investing in a house or one's future. This is achievable. I have lived in countries in which this is almost the norm, unless its citizens chose to live in the most expensive cities. I have been fortunate, because of my income, to live most of my life spending no more than this on my housing, utilities (including Internet), health care, and pension. I have lived in countries in which the average wage was a tenth of mine, and many of them managed to do the same. Go figure. A well-run country allows its citizens to glimpse, and participate in, such a vision. A shitty country -- one in which the neo-Fascist corporate and business interests have been allowed to run things -- doesn't. In the latter countries, this is not even seen as a goal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: It cuts both ways. It's basicaly a double-edged sword. But there is no concrete proof that the TM-org has such an insidious agenda. Well that's the funny thing about cults, you can look from the outside with checklists of typical cult behaviour-well understood techniques like thought reform-and see it all in the TMO, but from inside it's just believers innocently trying to convince others of what they see as the truth. It doesn't have to have an insidious motive, but it becomes dangerous when the line between observed fact and dogma is obscured. There are plenty ways that being on a rounding course will have the desired effect, I've seen it all and probably unwittingly took part. It's just classic group behaviour, the more isolated from normal society you are the quicker it takes hold. I'd be rather surprised if there was a training manual for wannabee cult leaders but they all act in pretty much the same way. It must just be the way we are... --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new research, the team found that the group that engaged in meditation scored higher on average on the RAT than did those that simply sat doing nothing. In the second experiment, another group of volunteers were separated in the same way as those in the first. One group meditated while the other just relaxed for awhile. This time though, after the session, both groups were given a simple computer exam designed to test for an awareness of subliminal messages. Each was asked questions that had multiple answers and which most everyone knew the answers too. The trick however was that one of the answers was flashed very quickly on the screen (fast enough that they were unaware of it being shown) just prior to the person answering. Thus, if the question was: What are the four seasons? The computer would flash the word autumn. In scoring the results, the team found that the meditation group matched the flashed word 6.8 times on average out of 20 questions,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
snip A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. Alright, that's my funny for the day, whether it is true or not :) It could be said, that every day of our lives is a spiritual experience. Fear breeds the oddest reactions in humans and causes us to lose perspective on the larger goals and picture, myself included. Which is why I am about to go camping in the rain. Ha ha ha. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Locally they are parsing between healers, saints and spiritual teachers. The anxiety is more essentially over purity of the meditational practice and then they get aggravated over anybody teaching spiritual practices generally. John Douglas for instance as a favorite of the TM high caste, of course he is in a different category being non-Indian healer teaching spiritual techniques as a westerner not wearing Eastern garb. A manifest healer teacher saint. For meditators looking after their health and well-being the Transcendental Meditation anti-saint guidelines pose shifting sands. It's a large administrative problem the movement has had for a long while with general membership and Dome numbers. TM has become a pretty small group for all the work they have put in on their anti-saint guideline. A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. The culture on this is probably not going to change much until he empathizes with the communal problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints?  It could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa.  Does it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author of The New Believers: Re-imagining God (HarperCollins, 2003) and Curious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple's Nine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern India (2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'.  It wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'.  Context is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
Oh, maybe let the *rich* individuals keep their money - a lot of philanthropy does occur in that realm. However, repeal the *corporations are people* ruling and close the corporate tax loopholes and level the playing field there. They used the *crisis* to further profits for themselves and their larger shareholders. I remember when *all bonuses* to the workers in my company for the good work we did earning them profits went away and the layoffs began...they *couldn't afford it.* Of course, in looking at my company's increasing profits and major bonuses to the CEO and other top guys, it didn't ring true. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? In fact, I have noted for a very long time that I am less susceptible to advertising. Of course, this may be wishful thinking on my part. I hear them rubbing their hands together with glee For instance, I always hated cola, the thought of paying good money for fizzy sugar seemed weird so I never did. Until last year, I'd often have one when I was out cycling. One day I was on a ride with a mate and he noticed and said that he had been buying coke too and used to hate the stuff. Turns out that coke had a sponsorship deal with the Tour de France and upon closer inspection you can see the riders (paid handsomely of course) knocking the stuff back like it's going out of fashion. Very clever and caught out a cynical old git like me who would have claimed immunity the day before. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Well that's the funny thing about cults, you can look from the outside with checklists of typical cult behaviour-well understood techniques like thought reform-and see it all in the TMO, but from inside it's just believers innocently trying to convince others of what they see as the truth. It doesn't have to have an insidious motive, but it becomes dangerous when the line between observed fact and dogma is obscured. There are plenty ways that being on a rounding course will have the desired effect, I've seen it all and probably unwittingly took part. It's just classic group behaviour, the more isolated from normal society you are the quicker it takes hold. I'd be rather surprised if there was a training manual for wannabee cult leaders but they all act in pretty much the same way. It must just be the way we are... It's NOT just TM. It's across the board. Here's what I saw as a related article. And these Orthodox Jews probably weren't even rounding. YMMV. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/10/orthodox-nyc-counselor-on_0_n_1584730.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
This book is controversial but quite interesting, if you haven't seen it. http://www.rit.org/reviews/gurupapers.php http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/gp_quotes.htm From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: It cuts both ways. It's basicaly a double-edged sword. But there is no concrete proof that the TM-org has such an insidious agenda. Well that's the funny thing about cults, you can look from the outside with checklists of typical cult behaviour-well understood techniques like thought reform-and see it all in the TMO, but from inside it's just believers innocently trying to convince others of what they see as the truth. It doesn't have to have an insidious motive, but it becomes dangerous when the line between observed fact and dogma is obscured. There are plenty ways that being on a rounding course will have the desired effect, I've seen it all and probably unwittingly took part. It's just classic group behaviour, the more isolated from normal society you are the quicker it takes hold. I'd be rather surprised if there was a training manual for wannabee cult leaders but they all act in pretty much the same way. It must just be the way we are... --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new research, the team found that the group that engaged in meditation scored higher on average on the RAT than did those that simply sat doing nothing. In the second experiment, another group of volunteers were separated in the same way as those in the first. One group meditated while the other just relaxed for awhile. This time though, after the session, both groups were given a simple computer exam designed to test for an awareness of subliminal messages. Each was asked questions that had multiple answers and which most everyone knew the answers too. The trick however was that one of the answers was flashed very quickly on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Welcome back. Honestly, I hope you don't spend your posts here on letting your irritation at Judy and whatever seeming affronts to your ego you may have incurred in the past overshadow the many interesting contributions you could make and debates you could have. You have a lot to offer and it's nice to hear from you again. From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip He wasn't banned. **Wielding the full violent fury of my moderator iron fist**, I gently reminded him of the rule about not using the real names of anonymous posters, and he was, like, totally cool about it and agreed to stop doing it. Whoa! What a Shakespearean sentence! (emph. add.) :) And greatly exaggerated. Alex did it all in a very nice and soft way, and after my assurance, restored with light-speed-like immediacy my posting rights. So, thank you all, guys and gals for the warm welcome. Yes, Share, of course you can call me tea. Thank you Buck, I'm happy you can attend to the domes now again, thank you Vaj for your comment, and all others as well, who are well meaning. Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. Because, you see, Nabby, you may accuse me of saying critical things about TM, or things that are forbidden to talk about in a TM, when I feel the context and the environment is suitable. But I cannot be accused of not walking the talk. Btw. I initiated exactly according to the guidelines I had received, doing all the 'steps' verbatim, with the only difference, that I did not charge money, and did it without the org. I also took some liberties at the 3 days checking leaving off some of the more dogmatic stuff. (But I even mentioned it, but more like in 3rd person voice.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be that I am getting old and my memory is failing me? You certainly sounded like you're justifing it. --beyond the bounds of what is expected, usual, normal, or appropriate There's also the Crazy Wisdom tradition, as you most likely know; and the Advahuts zarzari talks about. (#301362) --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: And you imagine that this was a justification for Ravi's cranky behavior on what basis, exactly? Did you read the whole post, or just what you quote here? Crazy wisdom is all well and good, but it doesn't work unless the folks to whom you're dishing it out have accepted you as a teacher. And you can't force that on anybody. (#297295) --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: It's even weirder that you would think this was an attempt to justify Ravi's cranky behavior. I was doing precisely the opposite, and that should have been evident just from what you quote. If you'd bothered to read what I said to Ravi immediately above what you quote, you wouldn't have made even that mistake: IMHO, you need to take some responsibility for how you affect others. You can't expect that if you just say, 'I'm a narcissistic enlightened asshole and I love everybody with as much intensity as I love myself,' they're going to go, Oh, well, that's all right then, he can insult me as much as he likes and I won't take offense. IOW, as I already pointed out, I was *castigating* him for his cranky behavior, not trying to justify it. Ask iranitea to lend you the cloth he's using to wipe the egg of his face when he's finished. Or maybe you need to get a fresh one to get the egg off yours. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Judy, the term 'narcissistic enlightened asshole' is an oxymoron, an inherent contradiction. --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Well, I'm not sure that's the case, actually; it would depend on one's definition of enlightened. But my point was that most people aren't going to accept it as an excuse for cranky behavior. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You were indirectly telling Ravi that if someone accepts him as his teacher, his 'crazy wisdom is all well and good.' --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Wrong. Accepting someone as a teacher is a necessary but not sufficient condition for crazy wisdom to be well and good. IOW, one's crazy wisdom ain't gonna work at all if one hasn't been accepted as a teacher. If one *is* accepted as a teacher, one's crazy wisdom *might* work; but that's not guaranteed. Note that I didn't say, *Your* crazy wisdom. I wasn't even validating that Ravi's behavior had anything to do with crazy wisdom. Nor was I validating his claim to enlightenment. In any case, nobody here had accepted Ravi as a teacher, so even if his cranky behavior *was* crazy wisdom, it wasn't gonna work. He couldn't use that as an excuse for insulting people and expect they'd just smile and take it. He was saying that his claim to be an enlightened asshole *justified* the cranky behavior; I was telling him it didn't. And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO increasing the number of mantras so as to obscure and deceive the public was itself somehow deceptive and malign are not even remotely equivalent. That wasn't just cranky behavior on iranitea's part. Ravi enjoyed taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it, to shock them. Sometimes, your semantics does confuse me. Are you sure he was taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it? You say he enjoyed it. I guess we all have different standards of what 'fun' is. Iranitea, in stark contrast, is engaged in a determined and calculatedly malicious campaign against me. The genesis of this campaign goes back to December, when I called him out for making some thoroughly disgraceful comments about someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: And given Mitt's platform, methinks 1 and 2 will not be a part of his agenda.  Fear does create a climate of disinvestment.  Fear throws us into financial survival mode, which translates to selfish hoarding of *our* money.  I've donated significantly less money this year, because I've been unemployed - I might need it *to survive* after all - I still have to keep a house and raise the kids.  Why should corporations invest in the US and hire US workers, when the name of the game is $$ and more money is to be made through off-sourcing?  I'd like to see all of us dedicate a percentage of our time to volunteering - and take the $$ out of the equation all together.  That's my next endeavor when I get back, along with looking for work and preparing to rent part of the house.  As a society, we need to re-educate ourselves on what a society is - it's *not* the have's and the have nots.  Emily, You have a kind heart. The corporations, as you say, are run by cold cash rationale. Oddly enough, these are the same corporations that fueled the success of the American economy. It will be the same entrepreneurial spirit that will transform the future of the country's businesses. Innovation and quick reaction to the market conditions are done best by the private sector. The government cannot do this because of bureaucracy and politics. However, the government can stage the policies for businesses and corporations to grow. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt  It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: This book is controversial but quite interesting, if you haven't seen it. http://www.rit.org/reviews/gurupapers.php Looks good, will give it a try. I've got something similar called captured hearts, captured minds that takes quite a scholarly approach to cult methods which, from my experience within TM, gives me the idea the others are pretty much the same in recruitment and indoctrination methods. And some are infinitely worse! The good thing about TM is that they give up quickly and just tell you that you will understand when you are more enlightened, which is just another thought reform technique obviously! http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/gp_quotes.htm From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Buddhists see through TM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: It cuts both ways. It's basicaly a double-edged sword. But there is no concrete proof that the TM-org has such an insidious agenda. Well that's the funny thing about cults, you can look from the outside with checklists of typical cult behaviour-well understood techniques like thought reform-and see it all in the TMO, but from inside it's just believers innocently trying to convince others of what they see as the truth. It doesn't have to have an insidious motive, but it becomes dangerous when the line between observed fact and dogma is obscured. There are plenty ways that being on a rounding course will have the desired effect, I've seen it all and probably unwittingly took part. It's just classic group behaviour, the more isolated from normal society you are the quicker it takes hold. I'd be rather surprised if there was a training manual for wannabee cult leaders but they all act in pretty much the same way. It must just be the way we are... ---Â Â salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Not sure why Buddhists would be seeing through TM with this skill, but I was always convinced that the TMO knew damn well people were at there most suggestible after meditating which is why they'd always make you watch a knowledge tape after meditation. Probably why it's so hard to undo the TM brainwashing, things sink in deep when the mind is relaxed and less critical which is pivotal to accepting a lot of the dross. How many times did you try to ask pertinent questions and got told to just absorb it instead of going for intellectual understanding? The interesting next step for this research is which type of meditation would make you more susceptible to subliminal messaging? Will advertisers be donating to David Lynch to get him to create more supplicant minds? ---Â Â Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Psychologists find meditation increases awareness of subliminal messages June 8th, 2012 in Psychology Psychiatry A collective meditation in Sri Lanka. Image: Wikipedia. (Phys.org) -- In our busy world most rarely have time to ponder the intricacies of subliminal messaging, despite the fact that it goes on all around us every day, in many cases as a direct means to incite us to buy an advertised product. Advertisers use hidden images embedded in photographs, for example, to cause reactions that we are generally unaware of, until we're walking the aisles of a supermarket and suddenly find ourselves desiring a certain product. Now, new research by a team of psychologists and anthropologists from the Netherlands and Britain have found that practitioners of meditation appear to be more susceptible to subliminal messages than are those who don't practice the ancient art. They have, as they describe in their paper published in Consciousness and Cognition, found through running two experiments, that engaging in meditation appears to open the mind to new insights which allows people to better remember subliminal messages they have received. In the first experiment, two groups of volunteers were enlisted. One group engaged in a meditation session while the other simply sat and relaxed. Afterwards, both groups were asked to take the Remote Associate Test (RAT) which is a standard psychological exam used to test for creativity in people and sometimes to gauge degrees of insight. In it, those being tested are given three words and are asked to come up with another word that serves to tie the other three together. Mine, shaker and lick for example, would lead a tester to offering salt as the most likely choice. The test is scored at the end to see how many of the queries the person being tested could solve. With this new
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
Buck in Dome, what do you see as the communal problem? Share in Dome too but also tsr (taking seminars regularly) From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Locally they are parsing between healers, saints and spiritual teachers. The anxiety is more essentially over purity of the meditational practice and then they get aggravated over anybody teaching spiritual practices generally. John Douglas for instance as a favorite of the TM high caste, of course he is in a different category being non-Indian healer teaching spiritual techniques as a westerner not wearing Eastern garb. A manifest healer teacher saint. For meditators looking after their health and well-being the Transcendental Meditation anti-saint guidelines pose shifting sands. It's a large administrative problem the movement has had for a long while with general membership and Dome numbers. TM has become a pretty small group for all the work they have put in on their anti-saint guideline. A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. The culture on this is probably not going to change much until he empathizes with the communal problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints?  It could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa.  Does it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author of The New Believers: Re-imagining God (HarperCollins, 2003) and Curious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple's Nine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern India (2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'.  It wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'.  Context is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is Barry's way of sayingI missed you last week and I look forward to hearing from you soon.  XOXOXO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Still tripping on this phenomenon, I'll pass along an insight I gained into it in Santa Fe. There I got to know a nice family of people who had once
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
I don't lump all companies together, but in general, until *we*, as a society demand that the private corporate sector shifts their value system away from the goal of ever-increasing profit at any cost, I don't see any real change happening in the culture of the mega-companies. OTOH, there are a lot of people and smaller companies that are working to change the game at the grass-roots level, so to speak, and I agree that bureaucracy does slow things down, although in many cases the purpose of said bureaucracy is to ensure compliance with the laws and that takes time when the law involves a process for approval. The GOP's continued use of fear-tactics re: how the Dem's are proposing higher taxes on small-businesses, obfuscates the real issue and is false. They are protecting big corporate agenda's, period. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: And given Mitt's platform, methinks 1 and 2 will not be a part of his agenda.  Fear does create a climate of disinvestment.  Fear throws us into financial survival mode, which translates to selfish hoarding of *our* money.  I've donated significantly less money this year, because I've been unemployed - I might need it *to survive* after all - I still have to keep a house and raise the kids.  Why should corporations invest in the US and hire US workers, when the name of the game is $$ and more money is to be made through off-sourcing?  I'd like to see all of us dedicate a percentage of our time to volunteering - and take the $$ out of the equation all together.  That's my next endeavor when I get back, along with looking for work and preparing to rent part of the house.  As a society, we need to re-educate ourselves on what a society is - it's *not* the have's and the have nots.  Emily, You have a kind heart. The corporations, as you say, are run by cold cash rationale. Oddly enough, these are the same corporations that fueled the success of the American economy. It will be the same entrepreneurial spirit that will transform the future of the country's businesses. Innovation and quick reaction to the market conditions are done best by the private sector. The government cannot do this because of bureaucracy and politics. However, the government can stage the policies for businesses and corporations to grow. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt  It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The root cause is not 'capitalist economic system', it's 'capitalist political system'. Any political party that has more that 33% percent of the total national votes should be partially funded by the government. It's daily maintainence, expenses and even 20 percent of the campaign funds. This kind of partial funding from the government for the maintainence of major political parties will force them to take a more centerist stance and relieve them of the pressure put on them by corporate forces. It will also prevent them from going to the extreme fringes of the ideological spectrum. On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. Progressive consumption tax will prevent the super-rich from consuming too much resources. It will also act as an incentive for them to put their money in banks. Banks can lend the money to the government which can be used for developing infrastructure. On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. All other jobs on the planet require some sort of 'qualification'. Right now only the job of the politican has no qualifications. Some qualification standard or criteria should be fixed for politicans too. On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Doing away with the Fed will create chaos. Printing of currency should be based on 'energy production' instread of gold standard or free floating. An 'energy based currency' will be much more accurate in reflecting the real strength of the currency. On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. It's not capitalism or socialism that is the problem. It all boils down to availability of resources. If resources are abundant and energy is cheap, any system will work.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
On 06/10/2012 01:09 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism. Which horoscope? There are a bunch of different US horoscopes. The country is really an amalgamation of states so it has always been difficult to erect a proper chart.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
Using progressive taxes we kept people from accumulating too much money. Some millionaires with philanthropy is fine but we don't need no stinkin' billionaires. As far as I can see they're not evolved enough to manage such wealth. Back in the 1980s when taxes were relaxed enough for the US to start having billionaires (other than HL Hunt) I used to joke that Reagan didn't like only the Middle East to have billionaires since oil sheiks were becoming billionaires. Oligarchs are a VERY BAD idea. On 06/10/2012 12:19 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Oh, maybe let the *rich* individuals keep their money - a lot of philanthropy does occur in that realm. However, repeal the *corporations are people* ruling and close the corporate tax loopholes and level the playing field there. They used the *crisis* to further profits for themselves and their larger shareholders. I remember when *all bonuses* to the workers in my company for the good work we did earning them profits went away and the layoffs began...they *couldn't afford it.* Of course, in looking at my company's increasing profits and major bonuses to the CEO and other top guys, it didn't ring true. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
Even Oprah? Tee Hee, I agree with you - oligarchy(ism) does not benefit society. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt Using progressive taxes we kept people from accumulating too much money. Some millionaires with philanthropy is fine but we don't need no stinkin' billionaires. As far as I can see they're not evolved enough to manage such wealth. Back in the 1980s when taxes were relaxed enough for the US to start having billionaires (other than HL Hunt) I used to joke that Reagan didn't like only the Middle East to have billionaires since oil sheiks were becoming billionaires. Oligarchs are a VERY BAD idea. On 06/10/2012 12:19 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Oh, maybe let the *rich* individuals keep their money - a lot of philanthropy does occur in that realm. However, repeal the *corporations are people* ruling and close the corporate tax loopholes and level the playing field there. They used the *crisis* to further profits for themselves and their larger shareholders. I remember when *all bonuses* to the workers in my company for the good work we did earning them profits went away and the layoffs began...they *couldn't afford it.* Of course, in looking at my company's increasing profits and major bonuses to the CEO and other top guys, it didn't ring true. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: (Judy:) And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO increasing the number of mantras so as to obscure and deceive the public was itself somehow deceptive and malign are not even remotely equivalent. Well, I never said this. You create here a new connection between two arguments, that I never made, and THAT is insidious. I start to believe, that you have really a problem of comprehension, Judy. You make connections that aren't there. I said that the increase of TM mantras is an attempt to obscure and deceive the public. This is admitted a negative formulation, I don't see it completely that negative. There are many arguments more to support this statement, in which I didn't go, it was just one of many arguments. And I also mocked at Judy of turning her eyes away from this, and she is purposefully vague, leaving a backdoor, but that is not the example of the way she obscures and deceives herself. I have already explained at length wherein her deception lies, it is basically to concentrate on small side remarks and character - assassination, in order to distract from the REAL larger issue. I don't want to go in it all again, but this is the wrong example. But the way she tries to give it a spin here - in this post - is of course malicious and deceptive in itself. That wasn't just cranky behavior on iranitea's part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Welcome back. Thanks Emily, I appreciate that. Â Honestly, I hope you don't spend your posts here on letting your irritation at Judy and whatever seeming affronts to your ego you may have incurred in the past overshadow the many interesting contributions you could make and debates you could have. That won't be quite that easy, but I will keep it in mind. Â You have a lot to offer and it's nice to hear from you again. Thanks again. From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip He wasn't banned. **Wielding the full violent fury of my moderator iron fist**, I gently reminded him of the rule about not using the real names of anonymous posters, and he was, like, totally cool about it and agreed to stop doing it. Whoa! What a Shakespearean sentence! (emph. add.) :) And greatly exaggerated. Alex did it all in a very nice and soft way, and after my assurance, restored with light-speed-like immediacy my posting rights. So, thank you all, guys and gals for the warm welcome. Yes, Share, of course you can call me tea. Thank you Buck, I'm happy you can attend to the domes now again, thank you Vaj for your comment, and all others as well, who are well meaning. Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. Because, you see, Nabby, you may accuse me of saying critical things about TM, or things that are forbidden to talk about in a TM, when I feel the context and the environment is suitable. But I cannot be accused of not walking the talk. Btw. I initiated exactly according to the guidelines I had received, doing all the 'steps' verbatim, with the only difference, that I did not charge money, and did it without the org. I also took some liberties at the 3 days checking leaving off some of the more dogmatic stuff. (But I even mentioned it, but more like in 3rd person voice.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 02:39 AM, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iraniteano_reply@ wrote: Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? That claim as about Judy. I was just 'checking'(sic) on you. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. I have 6 advanced techniques, thank you very much. You ? If I count correctly I had about the 4th. But I don't practice them anymore. Well you are busy playing God restricting and tricking souls. Not at all. Not playing God but following God's will, you know ;-) Not restricting them, but giving them all the choices. (Hint: somebody who wants to continue with TM adv. programs can get regular, official initiation, without loss), not tricking them, but giving them maximum transparency, something so rare in today's world, don't you think? Good luck with that. Thank you. And I can assure, I haven't been struck by lightening yet. ;-) But why even bother with teaching TM when there are other methods to teach meditation? Two reasons: 1)They are old friends, and that's hat they wanted to learn. It is inevitable, that when you talk with friends, your past comes up at some point, and since this was a major part of my past, TM came up. And for the one friend who as the driving force, it was not just me but others as well that she knew who were once into it. 2) It's the one thing I know how to teach. I am not part of any other mantra or meditation tradition, even though I don't do TM, and even though I still meditate - but my meditation is spontaneous, completely self-driven, not something I could teach. And I doubt you could 'teach' such a meditation. It is the spontaneous result of many years of practice and diverse inner processes and transformations. After all TM is yoga lite and more a gimmick than anything else. Give people a beej mantra because they're short and have an effect easily even if it isn't sustaining. Have the teachers perform a puja just in case the teacher doesn't have much shakti to enliven any mantra. Many other schools use mantras that are longer like the advanced technique for their technique for the masses. They sustain longer but transcend more slowly. Many are jump started using shaktipat and another technique that teachers must do to assure the mantra works. Yes, I am sure you are right. But I gave them what they wanted, and they were very happy. I always leave the end open, it is up to them what they practice later on, if they choose for example a different (and longer) mantra. I haven't seen them for 3 month, since I was abroad, but I will probably see them in 1 or 2 weeks.
[FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Meditation itself, which is supposed to expand boundaries, is used to define the 'tribe' itself, is the person sitting next to me in the dome thinking the correct mantra? (We don't know which mantra, since there are so many in TM, neither which 'fertilizer' he has, but is it correct?) Maybe he radiates the wrong vibe, I smell, sniff, sniff, he doesn't belong to us. For some people here, the TM instructions, collected from stray remarks of their favorite teachers have become something like a religion in itself. They are as if chiseled in stone in their memory which they worship. I think it must have something to do with a reptilian part of our brain, tribal consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Buck in Dome, what do you see as the communal problem? Share in Dome too but also tsr (taking seminars regularly) A communal problem is the ambivalence in the meditating community to come out for the dome meditation. There are elements to the ambivalence. -Buck in the Dome From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome  Locally they are parsing between healers, saints and spiritual teachers. The anxiety is more essentially over purity of the meditational practice and then they get aggravated over anybody teaching spiritual practices generally. John Douglas for instance as a favorite of the TM high caste, of course he is in a different category being non-Indian healer teaching spiritual techniques as a westerner not wearing Eastern garb. A manifest healer teacher saint. For meditators looking after their health and well-being the Transcendental Meditation anti-saint guidelines pose shifting sands. It's a large administrative problem the movement has had for a long while with general membership and Dome numbers. TM has become a pretty small group for all the work they have put in on their anti-saint guideline. A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. The culture on this is probably not going to change much until he empathizes with the communal problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints? àIt could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa. àDoes it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author ofàThe New Believers: Re-imagining Godà(HarperCollins, 2003) andàCurious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple'sàNine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern Indiaà(2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome Om, no it was for seeing 'saints'.ààIt wasn't just for seeing some 'spiritual teachers'.ààContext is everything and most people hearing about the TM- Rajas' anti-saint guidelines for TM'ers readily wonder how the TM community is going to transition let alone survive long-term with such antagonisms towards luminaries who are more admirably understood as saints otherwise in larger circles. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Buck: snip Now try to imagine what lurkers who have never been part of the TM community must think of Buck and others going on and on about not being allowed to go to the domes because they committed the heinous sin of seeing another spiritual teacher. This is
[FairfieldLife] 'Is 2012-The End of the Worship of Gold?'...
This year 2012 could be the end of a cycle started in Egypt, 5-6,000 yrs. ago! Building pyramids for the Pharaoh, sucks! This worship of gold, has caused so much hell on earth! When Queen Isabelle gave Columbus the means to travel to the New World... She wanted Gold in return... When the Spanish came to Jamaica, they made slaves out of the natives there... With the diseases they brought, and the pain they inflicted on the natives...all of them died. Then the Spanish left Jamaica when they decided there was no gold to be found there.. When the Nazis killed millions, they're motivation was more for gold than anything else... Now, the technology is such that you can hold the whole universe of information in the palm of your hand; much greater power than any king, queen, Pharaoh, or whomever had in the past... There is plenty to go around now, food-wise, with the advancement of agricultural technology, unlike the depression of the 1930's... Now in this time, when the majority of wealth is held by a few, With their insatiable ego needing to be pumped up constantly...come on! The 'cold-hearted' demonic forces of the Donald Trumps of the world, is surely collapsing! The wealth of this world, doesn't need gold as a standard... There's not enough gold in the world to cover this kind of wealth... such a stupid out-dated philosophy! So, there's enough to go around, and too much wealth is in the hands of too few... This is what the Mayans wanted us to know, in our time, for this culminating year, 2012. That we can be more in tune with the eternal laws of nature, and realize this idea of 'Time is Money' is outdated and is slavery to gold.. Robert
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Meditation itself, which is supposed to expand boundaries, is used to define the 'tribe' itself, is the person sitting next to me in the dome thinking the correct mantra? (We don't know which mantra, since there are so many in TM, neither which 'fertilizer' he has, but is it correct?) Maybe he radiates the wrong vibe, I smell, sniff, sniff, he doesn't belong to us. For some people here, the TM instructions, collected from stray remarks of their favorite teachers have become something like a religion in itself. They are as if chiseled in stone in their memory which they worship. I think it must have something to do with a reptilian part of our brain, tribal consciousness. I want to add to this, that I have discussed, especially with Lawson, my own present experiences in meditation, as blusc0ut. There is no way he could understand, if he would be willing that is, and there is no way I could change it, if I so wanted, which is not the case. In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
Yup, even Oprah. Most of the populace is sleepwalking. They live in a world of pre-concieved notions and one-dimensional points of view. The benefit of enlightenment is that it makes you more aware and takes you out of the sleepwalk and dreamworld. And there are people in the world who don't like the public to be that awake. On 06/10/2012 02:55 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Even Oprah? Tee Hee, I agree with you - oligarchy(ism) does not benefit society. From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt Using progressive taxes we kept people from accumulating too much money. Some millionaires with philanthropy is fine but we don't need no stinkin' billionaires. As far as I can see they're not evolved enough to manage such wealth. Back in the 1980s when taxes were relaxed enough for the US to start having billionaires (other than HL Hunt) I used to joke that Reagan didn't like only the Middle East to have billionaires since oil sheiks were becoming billionaires. Oligarchs are a VERY BAD idea. On 06/10/2012 12:19 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Oh, maybe let the *rich* individuals keep their money - a lot of philanthropy does occur in that realm. However, repeal the *corporations are people* ruling and close the corporate tax loopholes and level the playing field there. They used the *crisis* to further profits for themselves and their larger shareholders. I remember when *all bonuses* to the workers in my company for the good work we did earning them profits went away and the layoffs began...they *couldn't afford it.* Of course, in looking at my company's increasing profits and major bonuses to the CEO and other top guys, it didn't ring true. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
On 06/10/2012 03:17 PM, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 02:39 AM, iranitea wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iraniteano_reply@ wrote: Thank you even Nabby, be assured, that the first thing I said to my initiates, is that they are prohibited from taking any of the other costly advanced techniques, when they take initiation from a rogue initiator like me, but that is exactly what they wanted, being close friends for years. When did you initiate the last person, Nabby? Just asking, because you encounter here people vehemently defending TM policies, and at the same time not walking the talk. Since you claim I'm not walking the talk why bother to ask ? That claim as about Judy. I was just 'checking'(sic) on you. Like saying that TM fees aren't prohibitive and at the same time not following the very essential movement recommendation to take 'fertilizers', because you had better things to do, with the 1500 bucks. I have 6 advanced techniques, thank you very much. You ? If I count correctly I had about the 4th. But I don't practice them anymore. Well you are busy playing God restricting and tricking souls. Not at all. Not playing God but following God's will, you know ;-) Not restricting them, but giving them all the choices. (Hint: somebody who wants to continue with TM adv. programs can get regular, official initiation, without loss), not tricking them, but giving them maximum transparency, something so rare in today's world, don't you think? Good luck with that. Thank you. And I can assure, I haven't been struck by lightening yet. ;-) But why even bother with teaching TM when there are other methods to teach meditation? Two reasons: 1)They are old friends, and that's hat they wanted to learn. It is inevitable, that when you talk with friends, your past comes up at some point, and since this was a major part of my past, TM came up. And for the one friend who as the driving force, it was not just me but others as well that she knew who were once into it. 2) It's the one thing I know how to teach. I am not part of any other mantra or meditation tradition, even though I don't do TM, and even though I still meditate - but my meditation is spontaneous, completely self-driven, not something I could teach. And I doubt you could 'teach' such a meditation. It is the spontaneous result of many years of practice and diverse inner processes and transformations. After all TM is yoga lite and more a gimmick than anything else. Give people a beej mantra because they're short and have an effect easily even if it isn't sustaining. Have the teachers perform a puja just in case the teacher doesn't have much shakti to enliven any mantra. Many other schools use mantras that are longer like the advanced technique for their technique for the masses. They sustain longer but transcend more slowly. Many are jump started using shaktipat and another technique that teachers must do to assure the mantra works. Yes, I am sure you are right. But I gave them what they wanted, and they were very happy. I always leave the end open, it is up to them what they practice later on, if they choose for example a different (and longer) mantra. I haven't seen them for 3 month, since I was abroad, but I will probably see them in 1 or 2 weeks. I understand. But what I did was learn other systems rather than teach TM off the books. I was fortunate in that 12 years ago I made the acquaintance of someone locally who could teach that. I do have to qualify that I did travel to India and met with teachers there as well as know a number of writers on the subject. That way I was able to evaluate the teacher I met if his teachings were worthwhile.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Yup, even Oprah. Most of the populace is sleepwalking. They live in a world of pre-concieved notions and one-dimensional points of view. The benefit of enlightenment is that it makes you more aware and takes you out of the sleepwalk and dreamworld. And there are people in the world who don't like the public to be that awake. The mass sleep-walking has been going on a long time...it is becoming more difficult to keep the people asleep... This is what the Mayans were telling us... The sleep-walking is coming to an end... Instant karma is going to get all of us now...things are speeding up, haven't you noticed.. People are at least realizing that they are not getting the whole story, the whole picture... Is is up to the ones who have awakened, and there are a lot of us, to shake, rattle and roll the rest to wake the hell up! Robert
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world. So, you have to conclude that if we have enough to go around now, and that this could produce a culture, that was dedicated to growth and evolution, learning, giving and loving... What would stand in the way of that is; Ego What is standing in the way of that is: Lower energies of Control What is standing in the way of that is: MAYA
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 09 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 16 00:00:00 2012 158 messages as of (UTC) Sun Jun 10 23:23:27 2012 15 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 15 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 15 Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 14 authfriend jst...@panix.com 12 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 11 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 11 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 8 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 6 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 6 John jr_...@yahoo.com 6 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us 5 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 4 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 4 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 3 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 3 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 2 marekreavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 1 jedi_spock jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@gmail.com 1 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 1 Richard rich...@infinitepie.net 1 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 1 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Posters: 26 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 01:09 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism. Which horoscope? There are a bunch of different US horoscopes. The country is really an amalgamation of states so it has always been difficult to erect a proper chart. I'm using the natal chart erected for July 4, 1776, at about 6:30 pm standard time, Philadelphia, PA. The ascendant should be Sagittarius. This date and time were researched by Kelleher, a California jyotishi. IMO, it represents the US culture and history fairly well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 01:09 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism. Which horoscope? There are a bunch of different US horoscopes. The country is really an amalgamation of states so it has always been difficult to erect a proper chart. I'm using the natal chart erected for July 4, 1776, at about 6:30 pm standard time, Philadelphia, PA. The ascendant should be Sagittarius. This date and time were researched by Kelleher, a California jyotishi. IMO, it represents the US culture and history fairly well. I know if I were born in 1776, I would hope I evolved from my chart back then... Saying that the United States is not suitable for 'Socialism' is about like saying that the United States is not well suited for 'Facism'... These words hold too much negative connotation, and blocks one from seeing the truth of the matter... The truth is that capitalism has worked so well for some, that they hold most of the money, and it has become a game for them to keep hoarding more... Hoarding is an addiction. Our culture is an addicted culture... So, some of our cultures heros are anti-heros? What is the point of acculmulating so much wealth if it is only to show off to other people in an egoic way... This has been going on for too long now.. Time for a change, the Mayans say... Time to look within, and not so much
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
On 06/10/2012 07:03 PM, Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 01:09 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism. Which horoscope? There are a bunch of different US horoscopes. The country is really an amalgamation of states so it has always been difficult to erect a proper chart. I'm using the natal chart erected for July 4, 1776, at about 6:30 pm standard time, Philadelphia, PA. The ascendant should be Sagittarius. This date and time were researched by Kelleher, a California jyotishi. IMO, it represents the US culture and history fairly well. I know if I were born in 1776, I would hope I evolved from my chart back then... Saying that the United States is not suitable for 'Socialism' is about like saying that the United States is not well suited for 'Facism'... These words hold too much negative connotation, and blocks one from seeing the truth of the matter... The truth is that capitalism has worked so well for some, that they hold most of the money, and it has become a game for them to keep hoarding more... Hoarding is an addiction. Our culture is an addicted culture... So, some of our cultures heros are anti-heros? What is the point of acculmulating so much wealth if it is only to show off to other people in an egoic way... This has been going on for too long now.. Time for a change, the Mayans say... Time to look within, and not so much what's on the outside surface value of life... Time to find the time to be
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world. So, you have to conclude that if we have enough to go around now, and that this could produce a culture, that was dedicated to growth and evolution, learning, giving and loving... What would stand in the way of that is; Ego What is standing in the way of that is: Lower energies of Control What is standing in the way of that is: MAYA Hence, in this age of ignorance, Capitalism works best, it is a meritocracy. If we were all evolved and acted out of Love for God and our Neighbor any form of government could work, (even MMY said that). BTW, Maya is just Maya (illusion or a 'seeming' which MMY calls 'mithya'). Maya can be Sattvic or Tamastic, the choice is ours. While it's true technology has taken up millions of jobs, we can still do better than what we're doing now, I will be voting for Mitt Romney.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world. So, you have to conclude that if we have enough to go around now, and that this could produce a culture, that was dedicated to growth and evolution, learning, giving and loving... What would stand in the way of that is; Ego What is standing in the way of that is: Lower energies of Control What is standing in the way of that is: MAYA Hence, in this age of ignorance, Capitalism works best, it is a meritocracy. If we were all evolved and acted out of Love for God and our Neighbor any form of government could work, (even MMY said that). BTW, Maya is just Maya (illusion or a 'seeming' which MMY calls 'mithya'). Maya can be Sattvic or Tamastic, the choice is ours. While it's true technology has taken up millions of jobs, we can still do better than what we're doing now, I will be voting for Mitt Romney. Your wasting your vote, because in this time of growing enlightenment... Barack Obama will win a 2nd term... Romney isn't worth a sh_t...
[FairfieldLife] 'Romney= A Mouth-Piece of the Neo-Cons'...
Like George W. Bush, Romney is just another mouth-piece for the Neo-Con types, as well as the Donald Trump types... They like to waste money on needless military buildups, arrogant foreign policies they got us in this financial mess that we're in now... At least Bush, by the end of his term, realized he was used by Dick Cheney and the rest of the cruel bunch of ignorant ass-holes... Pumping up the housing mkt., so it would collapse... I can't believe how long it takes people to 'get it'... Think of how much different the country is under the leadership of Barack Obama.. How much more respected the United States is in the world... The great upsurge of hope he gave to millions around the world, for a person of color to break the strangle-hold of white protestant guys always stacking the deck... It was a total miracle that someone of his caliber would win the election last time, because of the racism in this ignorant culture... And because the Neo-con types thought they had it wrapped up for good... The economy is the way it is, not because of anything Obama has done, but due to technology replacing jobs, outsourcing of jobs overseas... And the minipulation of the stock mkt, and the banks continuing to take advantage of free money, which they still get.. The Republicans want to turn the clock back; but it's too late for them, as the people are wising up to their tricks... When Hurricaine Katrina hit, around that time was that woman, whose son had died in Iraq, who was camping out at his ranch, as I recall.. Bush was too cowardly to face her, and then with Hurricaine Katrina, it was over for that administration...they lost all their good will by then... I think Bush is basically a good guy...he just grew up in a family and in a culture in Texas, that make him into an arrogant son-of-a-bitch... Thank God for President Obama in this transitional time, as he has kept the peace and is doing the best he can for the economy under the present conditions... Robert
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. Amazing that iranitea can't see how obviously bogus an analogy it is. snip Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? React like what? It's amusing that the TM critics here get all outraged when a TMer suggests there may be something wrong with them, yet the TM critics feel no compunctions whatsoever about claiming there's something wrong with the TMers. They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Well, this is absurd, of course. There are lots of participants here who are not supporters of TM with whom the TMers get along just fine. What do you suppose it could be that makes the difference? BTW, the reason iranitea turned against me and is now on a vicious get-Judy campaign *had nothing whatsoever to do with TM*. It had to do with how he mistreated another participant here. Meditation itself, which is supposed to expand boundaries, is used to define the 'tribe' itself, is the person sitting next to me in the dome thinking the correct mantra? (We don't know which mantra, since there are so many in TM, neither which 'fertilizer' he has, but is it correct?) Maybe he radiates the wrong vibe, I smell, sniff, sniff, he doesn't belong to us. Oh, yes, I'm sure all the TMers here are just like that. Even the ones who don't live in Fairfield and don't practice in the domes, such as Lawson and Nabby and me. Man, this is so ridiculous. For some people here, the TM instructions, collected from stray remarks of their favorite teachers have become something like a religion in itself. They are as if chiseled in stone in their memory which they worship. Why don't you cite some of those stray remarks you believe we worship as a religion? I mean, I'm sure you didn't just make this up; you must have examples, right? I think it must have something to do with a reptilian part of our brain, tribal consciousness. guffaw Just keep digging, iranitea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: (Judy:) And finally, to go back to the beginning, Ravi's cranky behavor and iranitea's claim that my expressing doubt about his notion of the TMO increasing the number of mantras so as to obscure and deceive the public was itself somehow deceptive and malign are not even remotely equivalent. Well, I never said this. You create here a new connection between two arguments, that I never made, and THAT is insidious. No, sorry, your denial is insidious. I start to believe, that you have really a problem of comprehension, Judy. You make connections that aren't there. I said that the increase of TM mantras is an attempt to obscure and deceive the public. This is admitted a negative formulation, I don't see it completely that negative. Not negative to obscure and deceive the public? There are many arguments more to support this statement, in which I didn't go, it was just one of many arguments. So what? You attacked me for doubting it. And I also mocked at Judy of turning her eyes away from this, I didn't turn my eyes away from it. I looked at it and found it a dubious claim. and she is purposefully vague, leaving a backdoor, You're becoming more and more absurd. Were you hoping I'd deny it outright so you could bring out more of your arguments? Why on *earth* should anybody object to an expression of uncertainty? but that is not the example of the way she obscures and deceives herself. I have already explained at length wherein her deception lies, it is basically to concentrate on small side remarks and character - assassination, in order to distract from the REAL larger issue. Right. And I explained why that's pure bullshit, as anyone who has followed my posts knows. I don't want to go in it all again, but this is the wrong example. But the way she tries to give it a spin here - in this post - is of course malicious and deceptive in itself. Allow me to remind you of what you actually wrote: Now, that is a classic answer. AVOID any answer, keep a back door open so that nobody thinks you are in denial, give it a negative taint, so that TBB's are not disappointed. Avoid the answers and quibble over insignificant details. The second sentence clearly implies an intent to deceive. And the last sentence is the same accusation of deception you made above. Keep digging, iranitea. That wasn't just cranky behavior on iranitea's part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: snip [I wrote:] Ravi enjoyed taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it, to shock them. Sometimes, your semantics does confuse me. What confuses you about what I wrote? Are you sure he was taking crude potshots at people just for the fun of it? You say he enjoyed it. Yup. He *admitted* it. I guess we all have different standards of what 'fun' is. Yup. That's part of what I was pointing out to him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Buck in Dome, what do you see as the communal problem? Share in Dome too but also tsr (taking seminars regularly) A communal problem is the ambivalence in the meditating community to come out for the dome meditation. There are elements to the ambivalence. -Buck in the Dome Yup, aspects of communal ambivalence in the meditating community seems a good description for it around the money, power and honesty. And a long insensitivity to this ambivalence in the leadership. Transitioning? Myself, I am still hope full. Ambivalence is a state of having simultaneous, conflicting feelings toward a person or thing.[1] Stated another way, ambivalence is the experience of having thoughts and/or emotions of both positive and negative valence toward someone or something. A common example of ambivalence is the feeling of both love and hate for a person. The term also refers to situations where mixed feelings of a more general sort are experienced, or where a person experiences uncertainty or indecisiveness concerning something. The expressions cold feet and sitting on the fence are often used to describe the feeling of ambivalence. -Wikipedia From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Losing sight of the fact that one is a fanatic syndrome  Locally they are parsing between healers, saints and spiritual teachers. The anxiety is more essentially over purity of the meditational practice and then they get aggravated over anybody teaching spiritual practices generally. John Douglas for instance as a favorite of the TM high caste, of course he is in a different category being non-Indian healer teaching spiritual techniques as a westerner not wearing Eastern garb. A manifest healer teacher saint. For meditators looking after their health and well-being the Transcendental Meditation anti-saint guidelines pose shifting sands. It's a large administrative problem the movement has had for a long while with general membership and Dome numbers. TM has become a pretty small group for all the work they have put in on their anti-saint guideline. A friend of mine who visits with Bevan regularly when Bevan is in town commented once that Bevan is scared that if he saw a saint he might have a spiritual experience. The culture on this is probably not going to change much until he empathizes with the communal problem. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I wonder how the TM Rajas define saints? àIt could be said that saints *are* spiritual teachers and vice versa. àDoes it make a difference if they are dead or alive - I'm guessing it might be alright to communicate with dead saints (and I know someone who claims to do this) versus visit with live saints? This is an interesting article How Saints have enduring appeal across religious traditions by Rachael Kohn. Dr Rachael Kohn is an award-winning broadcaster with ABC Religious Programs and presents The Spirit of Things (Radio National, Sundays at 6.05 pm, Tuesdays at 1.05 pm). With a strong academic background in religious studies, Rachael is author ofàThe New Believers: Re-imagining Godà(HarperCollins, 2003) andàCurious Obsessions in the History of Science and Spirituality(ABC Books, 2007). http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2010/10/11/3034898.htm Most traditions recognise that the many injunctions to maintain a life of purity, devotion and righteousness are beyond the means of the ordinary person. In the traditions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which we will briefly consider here, it is the saints who are believed to embody this perfection in their lives. According to this belief, they are fully human yet due to their exemplary life of faith, they attain supernal qualities and occasionally, upon death, their bodies defy nature by remaining intact. This puts them in a unique position to help the faithful, especially by acting on their behalf in the divine realm. ... Undoubtedly India has the most saints, owing to the vast number of deities and traditions which comprise its ancient religious heritage. But another reason is simply that there is no official or centralized roster of saints or even deities. Both can be acclaimed by popular assent and can be limited to a particular locality. William Dalrymple'sàNine Lives: In Search of the Sacred in Modern Indiaà(2009) gives several glimpses of this phenomenon in his encounters with the men and women of India. From: Buck To:
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Yes you did. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? snip I went and read posts #297295 and #297725 back in December 2011 (I had not followed this conversation at the time) and I think Judy's recounting of the exchange is correct. Thank you, Xeno. While she seemed to take a softer stance on Ravi than she does with Barry for example, Ravi was a *vastly* nicer person than Barry is. Ravi would go off on somebody from time to time for no good reason, but he was more often loving and sensitive and quite witty and insightful. she was chiding him for his behaviour and recommending he take a more comprehensive view of how he was affecting others with his oddities. I do not see that she was justifying Ravi's behaviour at all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
Ha. I used to be quite judgmental of kids in stores, restaurants, on air planes until I had a couple. Not that I didn't worry someone would call CPS as I was carrying whatever one out of the store under my arm like a football many years ago. Are you a parent? Yes, give me the stipend...I need about 5 more years of rest and volunteer work to recover from the last 30 year run - I'm sensitive. I still don't have a garden in, haven't found my loom yet, just want to sit and needlepoint. :) From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!' On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
snip Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Iranitea, you lumped Judy in with Lawson in your response, btw. You were upset about Lawson's reaction, no? Iranitea, have you been *reading* Judy's posts of late? Within these last two weeks, she has clearly explained her experience with TM, the courses she took, as well as her position re: the TMO several times. He belongs to us or he doesn't belong to us is pretty far from the reality she's put out here. She's been pretty clear that the technique is what she does and it works for her, as say the large majority of people here who practice the technique, regardless of how they affiliate or don't affiliate with the TM movement. I am trying to remember if I've read posts where she judges others for choosing a different practice and I can't think of a single time. Nor, do I see her put down those who do here for making different choices. Seriously, post something interesting. You are a smart fellow, with years of meditation under your belt. Can you not redirect your energy to something more entertaining or intellectual? What's the purpose in all this? Proving Judy's life experiences *wrong*? What a waste of time. From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Meditation itself, which is supposed to expand boundaries, is used to define the 'tribe' itself, is the person sitting next to me in the dome thinking the correct mantra? (We don't know which mantra, since there are so many in TM, neither which 'fertilizer' he has, but is it correct?) Maybe he radiates the wrong vibe, I smell, sniff, sniff, he doesn't belong to us. For some people here, the TM instructions, collected from stray remarks of their favorite teachers have become something like a religion in itself. They are as if chiseled in stone in their memory which they worship. I think it must have something to do with a reptilian part of our brain, tribal consciousness. I want to add to this, that I have discussed, especially with Lawson, my own present experiences in meditation, as blusc0ut. There is no way he could understand, if he would be willing that is, and there is no way I could change it, if I so wanted, which is not the case. In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? I will, against my better judgement, weigh in on this. Not to engage in yet another round of whack-a-mole with those whose lives are so sad that they revolve around trying to start and then declare that they've won arguments on the Internet, but to hopefully to do what I was trying to do with Curtis at the end -- help others to avoid the suffering before it comes. I learned a lot about how to deal with Internet ego addicts by trying to plant and maintain a garden in the Netherlands. We have moles here. Lots of moles. From their side, they're just trying to eat, much the same way that the Internet ego-moles try to keep their egos alive and puffed up by starting arguments and then feeding off of the people they suck into those arguments. But on another, they're eating the plants in MY garden, man. NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. The fence has to extend several feet below the surface of the ground, so that they can't crawl or tunnel under it. Once you build this fence, the moles are left outside the garden, prob- ably spitting and cursing and angry, because they can't get inside to the tasty plants they want to devour. Similarly, the only way I've found to effectively deal with an Internet ego-mole is to ignore their silly asses as if they don't exist. Curtis finally became aware of the wisdom of this, and wrote Judy out of his life forever. So, for the most part (except for Public Service Announce- ments such as this one) have I. We built a fence. We don't interact with her, we (or at least I) don't bother to read the stuff she posts, and we go on plant- ing and tending to our gardens as if she doesn't exist. It's really the only thing that works. While I applaud your spunk at not being afraid of Judy, and taking her on as you have, it isn't going to work. She'll *always* declare that she's won every exchange, and simply redouble her efforts to keep you engaged and arguing with her. THAT is what she's after; that is ALL that she's after. Insulting you and trying to erode your credibility in the eyes of other posters here is gravy, for her. She's after the confrontation itself -- getting you to interact with her one-on-one so she can (in her mind, at least) destroy you. My advice is to not fall for it. Build a fence. Allow her to do this with the few people here who haven't figured out her game, and ignore her as if she didn't exist. You'll be happier, you'll have more time to devote to the many valuable things you could contribute here, and she'll be left spitting and cursing and angry, as she should be. You can't win. AS LONG AS SHE CAN KEEP YOU ARGUING WITH HER, SHE HAS ALREADY WON. You're dealing with a person so demented that she'd lie about why Ravi was removed from this forum, claiming that it was because he revealed someone's real name. I am *amazed* that no one called her on this, but then most are aware of what I said above, and just don't want to interface with her at all. Rick didn't remove Ravi from the forum because he revealed the real name of a poster here; that is ludicrous. We all knew that poster's real name, pretty much from Day One. What he did was to -- out of spite, and because he was constantly getting strokes from Judy for piling on to this person -- start to make up stories about the person being a pervert, and having had a history of abusing people he was teaching. Ravi had never even *met* the person he said this about, and was never a member of the organization he said he'd done these terrible things in. He just wanted to say something nasty about someone and gets strokes from Judy for saying it, so he called him a pervert. The person he was doing this to works *in public schools*. Every time he approaches a new school, he
