[FairfieldLife] Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler!
http://life.time.com/curiosities/putting-a-hex-on-hitler-life-goes-to-a-black-magic-party-in-1941/#1 http://life.time.com/curiosities/putting-a-hex-on-hitler-life-goes-to-a-black-magic-party-in-1941/#1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler!
From: cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler! http://life.time.com/curiosities/putting-a-hex-on-hitler-life-goes-to-a-black-magic-party-in-1941/#1 And people thought my post about Maharishi V.O.O.D.O.O. yagyas was a parody. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their books published, and for fun I correct the writing of anyone on the Internet who is WRONG, and who thus *needs* to be corrected. I am so good at this that I have never once been WRONG myself, and I have never once lost an argument, no matter how petty. I rule. In my spare time I hold grudges against anyone who fails to recognize me as the most knowledgeable, most truthful person ever, and stalk them on the Internet until they finally do. I've stalked some of them for almost twenty years now, the scum. I'll get them...and their little dogs, too! In spite of all these pressing duties, I am known for my sense of humor and my cheerful laughter, which lights up any chat room I appear in. Which is a lot of them, because I haven't actually seen the sun in nearly ten years...there are just SO many people out there who need correcting. Learn TM, and your life can be as fulfilling as mine. * Yo. I'm a retired tech trainer who has been meditating for many years now, long enough for me to become fully enlightened, and in fact more enlightened than anyone else in the whole world. Any time anyone talks about a spiritual experience they've had, I can top it by talking about the better and higher experience I've had. THAT is how powerful TM is, and how much it's done for me. Since I'm no longer working, I travel around in a camper, because that allows me to stay up until 4:00 AM obsessing on the people who don't believe I'm enlightened and insulting them any way I can think of. If this sounds like your idea of a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Steve, you got me chuckling here first thing in the morning. I think you nailed not only the Indian accent but also some of the phraseology used by people from India. Not to mention the gift that they generally have, the ability to not be offended. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:50 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Scene: Hindu Temple Somewhere in the US Michael Jackson at the front door looking in, seeing the Hindu Priest: MJ: Hey Hindu Philosopher, Whats Up? Hindu Priest: (in sing song cadence) I dount knoow who you are talking tooo. Are yuu talkingg tooo me? MJ: Yea I'm talking to you. (then looking over at the Shiva lingam) How's that Philosopher's Stone doing? HP: ( Head moving left to right) Duu yuu mean our Holy Shiva Lingam MJ: Yea the Philosopher's Stone HP: Eeet is duing fine, thank you MJ: When do the philosophy students come? HP: Duu yuu mean the congregation? MJ: (then getting ready to bolt out) Yes, I was told that Hinduism is a Philosophy and not a religion HP: That ees fine. If yu are more comfortable calling it a pheelosophee, then that is alright. Noo problem there MJ walks back to his car shaking his head. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM So did you get a buzz from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The buzz would be the increase of shakti which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word Hindu was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their books published, and for fun I correct the writing of anyone on the Internet who is WRONG, and who thus *needs* to be corrected. I am so good at this that I have never once been WRONG myself, and I have never once lost an argument, no matter
[FairfieldLife] delightful but not for prudes
http://youtu.be/lUr3XbROoA8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
The Turq hasn't been paying attention. I guess his vile attempts or trying o spread negativity is because he knows his guru, the Dolly Lama has failed miserably, has given up Tibet once and for all and is seeking permanent refuge amongst the Hindus in India. Is he worried about Initiations from the TMO that had an income of $ 47,7 million in 2012 ? Does he need endorsements from down-to-erarth people ? Here it is: http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Thata great Share. You gave me a chuckle this morning. I also liked Barry's profiles. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their books published, and for fun I correct the writing of anyone on the Internet who is WRONG, and
[FairfieldLife] Non-celebrity endorsements for TM
It would be interesting to see if the Turq could come up with endorsements even close to this for the programmes of the Dolly Lama. Platoon Sergeant Gets Her Life Back with Transcendental http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/Meditation: http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/ Students at Detroit Art School Use Meditation to Cope With Stress http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ Training from the Inside: Treating PTSD with Transcendental Meditation http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ Children of the Night – Rescuing Children from Prostitution http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ Homeless Men in Harlem Rebuild Their Lives http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ Dan Burks on Coping with the Stresses of War http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/ http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/ http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/
[FairfieldLife] Re: delightful but not for prudes
That was great Share. I don't know why this popped into my head, but this was a gag that could have been done 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago, just as effectively. I guess there are many things like that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : http://youtu.be/lUr3XbROoA8 http://youtu.be/lUr3XbROoA8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: delightful but not for prudes
Steve, I know what you mean. There's something universal about it. Especially for the spring time (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:05 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: That was great Share. I don't know why this popped into my head, but this was a gag that could have been done 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago, just as effectively. I guess there are many things like that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : http://youtu.be/lUr3XbROoA8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-celebrity endorsements for TM
Thanks, Nablusoss, this is inspiring... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:03 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: It would be interesting to see if the Turq could come up with endorsements even close to this for the programmes of the Dolly Lama. Platoon Sergeant Gets Her Life Back with Transcendental Meditation: http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/ Students at Detroit Art School Use Meditation to Cope With Stress http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ Training from the Inside: Treating PTSD with Transcendental Meditation http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ Children of the Night – Rescuing Children from Prostitution http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ Homeless Men in Harlem Rebuild Their Lives http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ Dan Burks on Coping with the Stresses of War http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'll be claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Thata great Share. You gave me a chuckle this morning. I also liked Barry's profiles. Yes, it was great that Share responded light-heartedly, as opposed to...uh...at least one of the fictional characters portrayed earlier. I wrote it for fun, but also to make a point. A *lot* of people on this forum seem to think that they are normal, or even admirable, and that lurkers might perceive them that way. Many of the people who think this way seem to be of the belief that what they SAY in words is how they are perceived by these lurkers. Given what I know about human nature, t'ain't true. They are perceived and evaluated on the basis of their repetitive behavior, and on the basis of what they seem to focus on -- day after day, week after week, month after month, and in some cases, decade after decade. If the lurkers feel that this *behavior* is odd or unusual or...let's face it, a little crazy, then they aren't going to think the people acting out that behavior are terribly normal. They're *also* not likely to look at them as good commercials for the product they're trying to sell. Who, after all, would want their lives to turn out the way that some of these examples' lives have? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Hate to tell you this, Feebs, but you're hallucinating again. Nowhere did I say anything about an apology. Is that your guilty conscience talking? Judy's got another addition to her crib sheet. All those alleged infractions requiring an apology. I wonder how long the list is now. I wonder if she goes over them each night before beddybye. That might explain some things. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And left dangling is your failure to chastise either Barry or Steve concerning their vile speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage. Talk about hypocrisy... How you can face yourself in the mirror, I can't imagine. Judy, it sounded like turq had shown them what you had written. Whereas you're going by one utterance of his, whom you often call a liar! Almost none of us here have direct experience of the rest of us. IMO that's a good reason to reserve judgement or at least err on the positive side. Speaking of which, I was actually shocked, which is a good thing, by what you said about turq's family because I had never heard you say something like that about individuals who don't even post here. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:11 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Thank you for posting what I actually said. Try not to distort it next time, OK? What I wrote was quite clear and direct before you tried to turn it into innuendo, implication, obfuscation, and indirect accusation. And I note that, as predicted, you avoided answering my question. That's because you couldn't answer it honesty without its reflecting poorly on Barry's family. Judy, I think you are very good at innuendo, implication, obfuscation and indirect accusation. Here is what you wrote: For all we know, his family approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. I hadn't thought there was any evidence for either her speculation or mine, so I was startled (but gratified!) when Barry handily supplied the evidence for my speculation (even if he didn't quite realize that's what he was doing). On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:49 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Not what I said, Share. If you have to misquote to make your point, you know there's something wrong with it. BTW, has Barry's family had a lot of direct and negative experience with me? (Share won't answer this question. And of course she isn't going to chastise Barry or the Feeb for their disgusting speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage.) Yep, Judy and you're still sinking! In this case by leaving off the accompanying part where you suggested that his family is as rotten as turq; and later when you said you were shocked but gratified to conclude that they are! Based on one utterance of his! People with whom you have had no direct contact?! FWIW, it would take a heck of a lot of direct and negative experience with a person in order for me to think of them as rotten. And there is NOTHING that would make me feel gratified to come to such conclusion about another human being. On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Interesting, According to Share, I was sinking to a new low when I suggested Barry's family encouraged his despicable behavior here (and can't acknowledge that I was right). Now here's the Feebo applauding one of Barry's most despicable attacks ever on FFL. Think Share will chastise either Feebs or Barry? For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
How do you think lurkers perceive you, Barry? Just curious. Do you think they perceive your own behavior as repetitive, and what you focus on as largely unchanging? BTW, you didn't actually make the point you thought you made, because your profiles didn't come close to accurately representing the behavior of the people you chose as examples. Obviously, lurkers will perceive the actual people differently from how they perceive your crude cartoons. I wrote it for fun, but also to make a point. A *lot* of people on this forum seem to think that they are normal, or even admirable, and that lurkers might perceive them that way. Many of the people who think this way seem to be of the belief that what they SAY in words is how they are perceived by these lurkers. Given what I know about human nature, t'ain't true. They are perceived and evaluated on the basis of their repetitive behavior, and on the basis of what they seem to focus on -- day after day, week after week, month after month, and in some cases, decade after decade. If the lurkers feel that this *behavior* is odd or unusual or...let's face it, a little crazy, then they aren't going to think the people acting out that behavior are terribly normal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Who knows what you were seeking. Probably trying to ramp up to another Friskygate, which was one of your many overwrought, nonsensical, distorted out of proportion issues. But always love ya, Judy, or at least feel compassion for you. You are cute in your own sorta way. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to tell you this, Feebs, but you're hallucinating again. Nowhere did I say anything about an apology. Is that your guilty conscience talking? Judy's got another addition to her crib sheet. All those alleged infractions requiring an apology. I wonder how long the list is now. I wonder if she goes over them each night before beddybye. That might explain some things. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And left dangling is your failure to chastise either Barry or Steve concerning their vile speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage. Talk about hypocrisy... How you can face yourself in the mirror, I can't imagine. Judy, it sounded like turq had shown them what you had written. Whereas you're going by one utterance of his, whom you often call a liar! Almost none of us here have direct experience of the rest of us. IMO that's a good reason to reserve judgement or at least err on the positive side. Speaking of which, I was actually shocked, which is a good thing, by what you said about turq's family because I had never heard you say something like that about individuals who don't even post here. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:11 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Thank you for posting what I actually said. Try not to distort it next time, OK? What I wrote was quite clear and direct before you tried to turn it into innuendo, implication, obfuscation, and indirect accusation. And I note that, as predicted, you avoided answering my question. That's because you couldn't answer it honesty without its reflecting poorly on Barry's family. Judy, I think you are very good at innuendo, implication, obfuscation and indirect accusation. Here is what you wrote: For all we know, his family approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. I hadn't thought there was any evidence for either her speculation or mine, so I was startled (but gratified!) when Barry handily supplied the evidence for my speculation (even if he didn't quite realize that's what he was doing). On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:49 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Not what I said, Share. If you have to misquote to make your point, you know there's something wrong with it. BTW, has Barry's family had a lot of direct and negative experience with me? (Share won't answer this question. And of course she isn't going to chastise Barry or the Feeb for their disgusting speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage.) Yep, Judy and you're still sinking! In this case by leaving off the accompanying part where you suggested that his family is as rotten as turq; and later when you said you were shocked but gratified to conclude that they are! Based on one utterance of his! People with whom you have had no direct contact?! FWIW, it would take a heck of a lot of direct and negative experience with a person in order for me to think of them as rotten. And there is NOTHING that would make me feel gratified to come to such conclusion about another human being. On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Interesting, According to Share, I was sinking to a new low when I suggested Barry's family encouraged his despicable behavior here (and can't acknowledge that I was right). Now here's the Feebo applauding one of Barry's most despicable attacks ever on FFL. Think Share will chastise either Feebs or Barry? For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Yes, I did Lol on that! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:30 AM Michael, sometimes it sounds like you just like to hear yourself sound off. And sometimes you sort of look like a jackass. Sorry about that. You see that sometimes when people think they've got it all figured out. Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 2:43 AM You know Michael, things may not always be as black and white as you'd like to make them with regard to Maharishi. Santana Dharma might be more akin to a philosophy than a religion according to many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tan%C4%AB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose to say that Hinduism is a philosophy - there are about a billion Hindus who disagree with you. On Tue, 3/25/14, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 4:06 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. On Wed, 3/26/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 12:32 PM It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
[FairfieldLife] Succession in TM and Prodigal Meditators Coming Home
MJ, this is fair enough. All that was wrong will change with the next generation and beyond of meditators and meditation teachers coming. Succession is happening. I feel you could be quite happy with the younger teachers on the David Lynch Foundation side of the new TM movement since MMY passed away. They have a different culture. They are much more honorable than some of our old people remaining that you but once knew in TM from before. There is 'consciousness-raising' and then there is 'conscience-building', they can go hand in hand with proper upbringing. Both are happening in the next generation of TM now coming. I look forward to a future welcoming you back once again. The way of transcendent progress is happening. By the science and taking quiet time we all are saying let's give peace a chance, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I have no problem with TM being taught in the schools IF it were being taught openly and honestly. I remind you that I posted here some time ago some of what was revealed in the wikileaks documents on the TMO where Raja Badgett Rodgers was quoted as saying that the entire reason for having TM in the schools was to create more sidhas. Sidhas, not for the benefit of the students, not to improve the quality of their lives and all the other crap they claim they are there for, but to create sidhas. I know that all the people who love TM will say of COURSE it will improve the lives of the teens if they did TM Sidhis but that's not the point. The TMO wants the students to do TM so they can pitch TM Sidhis to them, to get them to BE sidhas and to get that money the sidhis cost, cause there ain't no David Lynch subsidies for the TMSP. More sidhas means more potential customers for all the other baubles, bangles, gewgaws and nostrums the TMO sells. If the TMO would just say Look, we have a method that we think will be of benefit to the world and to the people who do it, and will create world peace as well. This is the TM Sidhi program, and to get that you need to have TM first. The TM Sidhis requires a few hours a day to practice, but its worth it. It costs a lot of money, but its worth it. Just give us this chance and we will prove to you that TM and TMSP are grand. The mantras are sounds associated with several Hindu goddesses, but you don't have to be a Hindu to use them. Just give us a chance and we'll prove to you this works. If the TMO advertised it this way, with complete candor and truth and the schools said OK and the parents were alright with it, that would be fine by me. It is the deceit that I don't like. The Meditating Community: “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating communities includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas everywhere. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/375646 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/375646 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Are we talking about the same reason [given] here? As I understand it (paraphrasing), there are several issues addressed by the TM teacher performing the TM pujja at the start of teachign TM, including: 1) it gives Maharishi a spiritual loophole where teh TM teacher dedicates teh entire TM teaching process to Maharishi's teacher, thereby sidestepping the issue where someone of Maharishi's caste can't be a guru. 2) it reminds the teacher that there's a Tradition of Masters that the teacher is acting on behalf of, and that he should behave accordingly. 3) the actual ritual is supposed to create a samadhi-in-action state so that teh TM teacher is performing the all-important first step of teaching TM as, at last for that instant, an enlightened sage. Have I missed any purpose that you believe is relevant? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Are you surprised that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who spent 13 years in a Hindu monastary with a priminent Hindu spiritual leader, and who founded a spiritual organization dedicated to the memory of his teacher, and dedicated to spreading his teacher's interpretation of Hindu spirituality to the world, is indeed a Hindu Zealot? The issue, of course, is: does that make TM a religion? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
How can you possibly say that? The TM puja means what maharishi says it means. He said it was to be used to keep the purity of the teaching so therefore, it is meant to keep the purity of teh teaching.
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Herbert Benson called The Relaxation Response prayer early in his career, and expressed concerns that publishing positive research on its effects would get him ostracized. And yet, TM isn't really prayer in any normally accepted sense of the word I'm familiar with. Can you pray, not only to an unknown deity, but without being conscious of the fact that you are praying? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-celebrity endorsements for TM
Agreed. We'll see if the Turq cough up even 1 endorsement from ordinary people for his Lama-guy who gave away Tibet to the Chinese. But don't hold your breath :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Nablusoss, this is inspiring... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:03 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: It would be interesting to see if the Turq could come up with endorsements even close to this for the programmes of the Dolly Lama. Platoon Sergeant Gets Her Life Back with Transcendental http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/Meditation: http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/platoon-sergeant-gets-her-life-back-with-transcendental-meditation/ Students at Detroit Art School Use Meditation to Cope With Stress http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ http://dlf.tv/2013/students-at-detroit-art-school-use-meditation-to-cope-with-stress/ Training from the Inside: Treating PTSD with Transcendental Meditation http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ http://dlf.tv/2013/training-from-the-inside-treating-ptsd-with-transcendental-meditation/ Children of the Night – Rescuing Children from Prostitution http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ http://dlf.tv/2011/children-of-the-night/ Homeless Men in Harlem Rebuild Their Lives http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ http://dlf.tv/2010/doe-fund/ Dan Burks on Coping with the Stresses of War http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/ http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/ http://dlf.tv/2010/ban-burks/
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Mantra of personal god is an interesting phrase. personal god is one way of translating the Yoga Sutra term, ishtadeva, which can also be translated as preferred shining one, which goes back to Maharishi's point about a mantra being an attractive object of attention (which is also taken straight out of the Yoga Sutras).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: I figured you felt left out when Bawwy didn't include your bio. You were correct to put this to rights. I guess he thought he was doing you a favor not to have included you. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : How do you think lurkers perceive you, Barry? Just curious. Do you think they perceive your own behavior as repetitive, and what you focus on as largely unchanging? BTW, you didn't actually make the point you thought you made, because your profiles didn't come close to accurately representing the behavior of the people you chose as examples. Obviously, lurkers will perceive the actual people differently from how they perceive your crude cartoons. It's weird but when I read what Bawwy wrote about lurkers I had this realization that he imagines there is an audience of at least hundreds out there reading his stuff. I had this sense that he fantasizes that he is writing to masses of people who just love his work. This was a moment of realization for me that partly explained what he is doing here and why he religiously posts every day using himself and his evolved sense of the the world and how it should be as the center of every subject. I'm starting to get the larger picture now. Maybe Bawwy thinks he's going to meet his soulmate or be asked to start a writing group based on the treasure trove of material he has contributed to FFL. I wrote it for fun, but also to make a point. A *lot* of people on this forum seem to think that they are normal, or even admirable, and that lurkers might perceive them that way. Many of the people who think this way seem to be of the belief that what they SAY in words is how they are perceived by these lurkers. Given what I know about human nature, t'ain't true. They are perceived and evaluated on the basis of their repetitive behavior, and on the basis of what they seem to focus on -- day after day, week after week, month after month, and in some cases, decade after decade. If the lurkers feel that this *behavior* is odd or unusual or...let's face it, a little crazy, then they aren't going to think the people acting out that behavior are terribly normal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
fMRI is not used by the TMO for several reasons: 1) the equipment is darned expensive (a single state-of-the-art fMRI machine would cost almost as much as MIU cost when it was bought, and the overhead for running/maintaining it would be a substantial fraction of the entire MUM operating budget -several $100,000 per year -there's a reason why an fMRI costs thousands per session). 2) the temporal resolution of BOLD (Blood Oxygenation Level Dependent Imaging) based imaging is much less than from EEG -seconds and minutes versus milliseconds. 3) fMRI is intrusive and even dangerous. It is known to change the operation of the brain it is used to examine. If you're trying to investigate teh subtle changes in brain function of someone growing towards enlightenment, its probably not the best route to go. As Fred Travis once said to me, the TMO organization considers the enlightened members of the TM community to be precious treasures, not lab rats. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Speaking as a Unitarian-Universalist, the broadest interpretation of Hinduism and Uni-Unism becomes pretty much identical. Unless you specifically believe that a specific interpretation of a specific book/writing/tradition is valid, and no other, or that the non-believer equivalent, hardcore atheism, is valid, Unitarian-Universalism is about the only game in town. Likewise, a universalist attitude towards Hinduism seems the only way to go, also. YMMV, of course. (and was Maharishi a universalist or a fundamentalist in his Hinduism? another interesting topic for discussion... ) L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
I know a fellow from Pakistan named Fali Engineer. He was the national leader of Pakistan for several years and was trained by Maharishi to teach TM and by Satyannand to teach the TM sidhi program. Fali told me that he taught both TM and Sidhis there without the Puja. H , interesting, no? M was quite fond of Fali and I'm pretty darned sure Fali wasn't acting on his own. Pretty sure M gave permission to teach TM and Sidhis without Puja due to Pakistan being a Muslim nation and Muslims might be offended by Puja. Some how, I don't think M would have given permission to do this if the *teaching* wouldn't take. But... who knows? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:39 AM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Are we talking about the same reason [given] here? As I understand it (paraphrasing), there are several issues addressed by the TM teacher performing the TM pujja at the start of teachign TM, including: 1) it gives Maharishi a spiritual loophole where teh TM teacher dedicates teh entire TM teaching process to Maharishi's teacher, thereby sidestepping the issue where someone of Maharishi's caste can't be a guru. 2) it reminds the teacher that there's a Tradition of Masters that the teacher is acting on behalf of, and that he should behave accordingly. 3) the actual ritual is supposed to create a samadhi-in-action state so that teh TM teacher is performing the all-important first step of teaching TM as, at last for that instant, an enlightened sage. Have I missed any purpose that you believe is relevant? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
I would say that devas are labels given to fundamental behaviors and connections that enlightened sages perceived as existing within themselves and perceived as external to themselves as well. Of course, most neuroscientists are pretty confident that the only way we can interpret reality is based on how our brain works, so the fact that devas are internal and external at teh same time is an inescapable consequence of having a nervous system connected to physical sense-organs. The world is as we are simply because we can't even conceive of it being differently, and if an alien species with a sufficiently radically different nervous system and sense organs showed up, there wold literally be no ways to communicate about certain things. Just as kittens who have lost the ability to perceive horizontal bars will bump into horizontal bars no matter what, we (and the aliens) would find certain concepts common to the other species, completely incomprehensible. So devas aren't just about physical laws, but social interactions, intuitions, and any/all other aspects of human existence and human perception. My belief is that they are shining ones because they are so fundamental to how enlightened sages perceive things that their existence as the commonality behind various related things like love, or destruction or creation or whatever leaps out at the sage even before the sage can label the thing that they are looking at/thinking about. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! * Agehananda Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer * Leopold Heinrich Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist * Leo Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Lawson, thanks for the really thorough explanation. I especially like the example of the kittens raised in a unidirectional striped environment then not being able to see the missing direction. Along with that, I'd say that shining ones is simply another reference to how essential to human development is both light and the sense of sight. I also liked your explanation about Dr. Nader's insight about the Ramayana in human physiology. I'll try to find what Ganesh stand for. I think someone asked about that. Maybe just joking but anyway... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:21 AM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: I would say that devas are labels given to fundamental behaviors and connections that enlightened sages perceived as existing within themselves and perceived as external to themselves as well. Of course, most neuroscientists are pretty confident that the only way we can interpret reality is based on how our brain works, so the fact that devas are internal and external at teh same time is an inescapable consequence of having a nervous system connected to physical sense-organs. The world is as we are simply because we can't even conceive of it being differently, and if an alien species with a sufficiently radically different nervous system and sense organs showed up, there wold literally be no ways to communicate about certain things. Just as kittens who have lost the ability to perceive horizontal bars will bump into horizontal bars no matter what, we (and the aliens) would find certain concepts common to the other species, completely incomprehensible. So devas aren't just about physical laws, but social interactions, intuitions, and any/all other aspects of human existence and human perception. My belief is that they are shining ones because they are so fundamental to how enlightened sages perceive things that their existence as the commonality behind various related things like love, or destruction or creation or whatever leaps out at the sage even before the sage can label the thing that they are looking at/thinking about. L
[FairfieldLife] The Path Between Pseudo-Spirituality and Pseudo-Science
Blog post by Sam Harris: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science
[FairfieldLife] Real life
This is what really happens in our world, things of an unpleasant nature that no amount of TMSP or fantasizing about religions being philosophies will ever cure http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25081462/under-investigation-american-title-ceo-dead-grisly-suicide
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Path Between Pseudo-Spirituality and Pseudo-Science
Good article. I look forward to the book. From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Path Between Pseudo-Spirituality and Pseudo-Science Blog post by Sam Harris: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
Exactly what are the mechanics by which the puja keeps the purity of the teaching? Simply saying x does y does not show that that actually happens. Seeing the results of the purity of the teaching here on FFL makes one wonder more than a bit. What in fact IS the purity of the teaching? What is done? What is said? The result? I would think ultimately, the result would be the proof. 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating.' Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. So who but Maharishi knew what he meant? If it means what Maharishi says it means, that means everyone must be in Maharishi's state of consciousness (or rather the one he used to be in), to know exactly what he meant by this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : How can you possibly say that? The TM puja means what maharishi says it means. He said it was to be used to keep the purity of the teaching so therefore, it is meant to keep the purity of teh teaching.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: delightful but not for prudes
My favorite variations are the fight scene with Jackie Chan where he has run nude from a Turkish bathhouse and gets into a fight with a bunch of guys in a Turkish street occupied by a large number spice merchants. After he lost his towel during the fight, the only way he had to maintain his modesty was to continually grab a new random pan of merchandise from one of the spice booths between exchanges of punches/kicks (OUCH! that stuff burns...). The other is a line-dance version I saw on the British TV show, OTT, where about 6 or 8 nude young men had 2 balloons each, except the guys at the end, who had one balloon and one pin. Spin, spin pop adjust position of balloons, spin, spin, pop adjust position of balloons, spin spin pop,,, guys are starting to look a little nervous... spin, spin pop...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
From: emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? Possibly because Barry, unlike the others he wrote testimonials for, isn't trying to sell you anything or apologize/make excuses for any religion, cult, practice, or group. Heck, he's not even a member of any group, with the possible exception of the human race, and I'd bet that Judy would quibble with that one. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Share, never mind a mantra. Just focus on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmuODeW1fE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : emptybill, yikes! I need a new mantra! I *accidently* looked up Leopold, etc. since I already knew duh duh and here's what I got. Meanings! Agehananda Bharati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agehananda_Bharati (1923–1992), Hindu monk and Sanskritist, born under the name Leopold Fischer Leopold Heinrich Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Heinrich_Fischer (1817–1866), German zoologist and mineralogist Leo Fischer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Fischer, sports editorUnless...mayhaps one of these guys likes turmeric on eggs?? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:09 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'll be claiming lighten-mint in no-time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler!
I shall have Birds Eye fish fingers for supper tonight as my way of saying thank you. William Seabrook demonstrates the proper tom-tom rhythm for a legitimate hex, while Florence Birdseye -- of the Birdseye frozen-food family -- keeps the beat on the right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Oh my GOD! (Yes, Barry, there is GOD, or a DOG, if you prefer.) Is it not a MIRACLE that you replied to ME! I feel important and very! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? Possibly because Barry, unlike the others he wrote testimonials for, isn't trying to sell you anything or apologize/make excuses for any religion, cult, practice, or group. Heck, he's not even a member of any group, with the possible exception of the human race, and I'd bet that Judy would quibble with that one. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using celebrity endorsements. It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to translate old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus God becomes the Unified Field, and grace of God becomes transcendence, and the godless becomes non-meditators. I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is off the program and does
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: delightful but not for prudes
Actually, now I think on it, everyone had two balloons and it was a guy (or two) offstage that were reaching out and popping the balloons as teh dancers spun.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reporter in the Pundit Compound
On 3/25/2014 6:20 AM, Share Long wrote: it took me a while to figure out the map. All those white specks are Utopia Park, the trailer park built for the Taste of Utopia course. Anyone can live in them is my understanding. There must be a hundred modular homes for student housing up there at Utopia Village and I wouldn't be surprised if a number of adjunct faculty live there too. There is probably fifty or more on the pundit campus. A modular home can be a very cozy place to live. We have a company down here that makes and sells them - Palm Harbor Homes. In some cases, the modular homes are of superior construction and better quality control than some site built homes. Go figure. It's very impressive what they have done up there at the MUM campus! We have a TM Ideal Village down here at Radiance - home of the Maharishi Golden Dome out in Hays County just outside Austin. The Maharishi Dome at Radiance is a smaller version of the Patanjali Dome in Fairfield. It has been in continuous use as a meditation facility since 1983. The Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge is a 70 foot diameter section of a sphere. Oh look, the swimming pool, the aqua speck! I LOVE maps, must have been a hobbit in previous life (-:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
On 3/24/2014 1:51 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: But I don't feel bad about having poked Jim with this because 1) his reactivity and defensiveness -- especially as an enlightened one -- has been so much fun to watch, and 2) Jim is so dumb he wouldn't have been able to tell if it had been one of the shorter quotes. There's just no way that Jim's enlightenment experience can compare to you witnessing a hundred Rama levitation events!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/25/2014 8:38 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It *is* a viable question, n'est-ce pas? Especially for someone who seems to never tire of telling people how enlightened he is, and so perfectly in tune with the Laws Of Nature, and so much more highly evolved than anyone else here. My bet is that his wife tossed him out some months now, possibly before he retired. But of course, as with any other direct question, he'll ignore it completely, pretend the question never existed, hoping that other people's memories are as sieve-like as his own, and that they'll forget the question was ever asked. He'll lay low for a while, and then start running the same act again. No, he should ignore you because you are an imbecile with an penchant for remaining so no matter how long you remain on this planet. Your conjectures and questions are bullshit, are completely out to lunch and are none of your business. He could fart in your general direction and he'd be wasting his time so why should Jim or anyone else actually answer some direct question you might pose in the asshole way that you always do? Bawwy, you're a waste of skin. Good work! I would like to nominate this post of Ann's for the FFL post of the month. Thank you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/26/2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. So, you believe Barry when he claimed to have witnessed Rama levitate hundreds of times. Unbelievable! And, you want to talk about science? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Barry, I asked you this earlier this morning, but I haven't seen a response: How do you think lurkers perceive you? Do you think they perceive your own behavior as repetitive, and what you focus on as largely unchanging? Or not? This shouldn't be difficult for you to answer. Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? Possibly because Barry, unlike the others he wrote testimonials for, isn't trying to sell you anything or apologize/make excuses for any religion, cult, practice, or group. Heck, he's not even a member of any group, with the possible exception of the human race, and I'd bet that Judy would quibble with that one. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Real life
On 3/26/2014 9:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: This is what really happens in our world, things of an unpleasant nature that no amount of TMSP or fantasizing about religions being philosophies will ever cure Never pass up an opportunity to use someone's personal tragedy to help you win a religious debate. It's all about winning.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Michael: Do you not understand the phrase elements of both? Try to engage here with what people are telling you. Otherwise you sound like the most rigid fundamentalist True Believer. This issue isn't cut-and-dried, yes/no, black/white; it's complicated. And it isn't only a TM issue by any means, as Bhairitu just pointed out. True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100% false) and they can't tolerate situations in which: a. the truth is unknown; b. the truth is midway between extremes; c. the truth is simply unknowable; or d. variants such as true some of the time, but at other times not true, or true for some people but not others. This sure seems like it describes you. go talk to the actual devout practicing Hindus about it and see what they say. I am not talking about people like Ravi who said he had in essence left the religion behind, I am talking about people like his mother and grandmother who insist he go to temple because they really believe he needs the blessings of the gods. It is the height of arrogance to tell others what their religion is. It's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert topping! Michael, Hinduism is far, far too complex and elaborate to insist that it's either one or the other, a religion or a philosophy. It has elements of both. Rather than just screeching at people like a fundamentalist preacher, why don't you ask them why they say it's a philosophy? Who knows, you might learn something. Obviously Michael has NOT been to India. FYI Michael, Indians love to discuss such issues. Plus if you went there and proclaimed that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophy they would just look at you with what else is new grin. Alright I tell you what, you go to India with noozguru and get you a soapbox too and loudly proclaim Hinduism is not a religion and see what the adherents of Santana Dharma do to you - you'll be wishin' you had said it to Carlos Santana instead of the followers of the Hindu RELIGION as they are sending off into your next incarnation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Well, Xeno, Ganesh looks pretty meaty too so there you are! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
On 3/26/2014 8:45 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm from Texas and it beats what most other people do for entertainment around here, which is to fuck prairie dogs. You really hurt me with that one, Barry. LoL! Rama used a variety of so-called mind-control techniques to seduce his disciples. He had his subjects stare at him for long hours until they would hallucinate and see Lenz begin to glow or change shapes. Lenz told his followers that having these visions meant they were psychic. http://www.skepdic.com/rama.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
On 3/26/2014 7:36 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: BTW, you didn't actually make the point you thought you made, because your profiles didn't come close to accurately representing the behavior of the people you chose as examples. Barry forgot to mention that he is from Texas and that he is very fond of prairie dogs and cults.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
[FairfieldLife] The Dutch approach to dying
This kinda has to be posted here, because it's something I haven't seen anywhere else, and I find it remarkably refreshing, and kinda spiritual. You know how in America no one really ever talks much about death, and they try especially to hide it from children? Well, here in Leiden the local Crematorium is sponsoring a Kinderdag -- a Children's Day. From a Google Chrome translation of their web page at http://www.dela.nl/evenementen: Sunday, April 6 Nursery from 11:00 to 16:00 Look around a crematorium? That's what you do when someone is dead? That's true, but not on our special Children's Day. During a discovery in a fun way to learn what happens in a crematorium. But also: face painting, balloon kites, listening to stories, crafts, delicious sweets and much more. I find it kinda refreshing. We may even take Maya. She's 5, and finally beginning to grok the mysteries of death, since Pippin the dog went away some time ago, and he doesn't seem to be coming back. I can't help but believe that a no-nonsense approach to the subject might just help to develop a healthier approach to the inevitability of death than the American approach of Denial.
[FairfieldLife] Thanks to this Lama-fellow Tibet will forever belong to China
And there is nothing we can do about it. We will continue our comfy life as refugees amongst the Hindu's in India. 540 × 360 - essaybasics.com http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://essaybasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/essay-about-Dalai-Lama3.jpgimgrefurl=http://essaybasics.com/how-to-write-an-essay-about-dalai-lama/h=360w=540tbnid=h9xtoWJmns0X1M:zoom=1docid=krjMHpBm_Bcz1Mhl=noei=3gkzU5a2Fa_W4ATu2oGgDgtbm=ischved=0CJsBEIQcMBE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
On 3/26/2014 7:11 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Who, after all, would want their lives to turn out the way that some of these examples' lives have? Not everyone nearing sixty years old has the good karma to live single on a canal in Amsterdam or Leiden and talented enough to work at home on a laptop writing science articles in Word for their parents. That would be quite a life accomplishment for most people. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know for a fact that a billion Hindus agree with you? You aren't an authority on Hinduism, but you know exactly what you're talking about? Oopsie. Michael, you're really crashing and burning here, making it all too clear how closed your mind is to any ideas that aren't perfectly in accord with yours. You won't even open your mind far enough to find out why people are telling you something you're convinced isn't true. You've decided nobody here can possibly know any more than you do about the nature of Hinduism. Yet you say you aren't an authority on Hinduism--and you don't see the contradiction. You were seriously mistaken to claim the idea that Hinduism is a philosophy comes only from MMY. Is there anything else you could possibly, conceivably be mistaken about? You're smarter than you're making yourself look. You're stuck in some kind of blind spot that doesn't reflect well on you at all. You, noozgu and auth all get together, go to Hindu temple, tell them their religion is not a religion - then come here and yap. I am not the authority on Hinduism, ask a Hindu priest. 1 billion Hindus agree with me. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 1:22 PM Michael, Michael, Michael, are just completely blind. Here you are arguing, I am the authority, listen to me, and that is what you are accusing me of doing. I believe that fallacy is called, appeal to authority. Now someone just pointed out that there is a rather large spectrum of belief, but you are, as if, touching one part of the elephant and declaring it to be the final word. hooboy. Is a mirror handy? Oh, and thanks for the mandatory tie in to TM bashing. No post of yours would be complete without it. Love ya though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are looking in the mirror as you say that - I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't know what affiliation you and noozguru have had with the TMO but you are displaying the exact same kind of hubris and arrogance the TMO has displayed for nearly 60 years. Oh, I know better than everyone else about the entire world, including the religion of a billion people. I know it better than they do cause of my specialized knowledge from me oh so very special guru. Stay arrogant, as is our tradition. And instead of reviling what I have proposed, take it seriously. Really, go to a Hindu temple just before their worship service and tell them you are there to explain to them how their religion is not a religion. On Wed, 3/26/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:48 AM That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. You have no idea what you're talking about, and so you're trying the baffle with bullshit angle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple, waltz in and tell the priests they are not really priests, they are just philosophers. Tell the worshipers they are not actually worshiping their gods and goddesses, they are just practicing philosophy. People don't generally kill each other over philosophy, but they damn sure do over religion. Muslims get killed in India not because they insult a philosophy but because they have insulted the a religion, or some aspect of the religion. If Hinduism was a philosophy it would be called one rather than one of the worlds MAJOR RELIGIONS - but I guess you two know better than a billion Hindus and 5,000 years or so of a religion's existence. You assertion is one of the most absurd contentions I have seen on FFL and that's saying something.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/26/2014 7:09 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Here is a mantra you can use with or without Turmeric on your eggs - Leo-pold ... Leo-pold For your advanced technique you add Phisher ... Phisher When you become very advanced you can add Duh, Duh You'llbe claiming lighten-mint in no-time. So, you don't speak any Tibetan, Rampa. 'Fictitious Tibet: The Origin and Persistence of Rampaism' by Agehananda Bharati http://aryasangha.org/rampaism1.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Nearing SIXTY?! Richard, I think for many of us it's more like nearing 70. There's only one person here who's nearing 60 and she's not living single on a canal anywhere! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:27 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 7:11 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Who, after all, would want their lives to turn out the way that some of these examples' lives have? Not everyone nearing sixty years old has the good karma to live single on a canal in Amsterdam or Leiden and talented enough to work at home on a laptop writing science articles in Word for their parents. That would be quite a life accomplishment for most people. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dutch approach to dying
Very good idea, turq, but unable to open link... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:08 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: This kinda has to be posted here, because it's something I haven't seen anywhere else, and I find it remarkably refreshing, and kinda spiritual. You know how in America no one really ever talks much about death, and they try especially to hide it from children? Well, here in Leiden the local Crematorium is sponsoring a Kinderdag -- a Children's Day. From a Google Chrome translation of their web page at http://www.dela.nl/evenementen: Sunday, April 6 Nursery from 11:00 to 16:00 Look around a crematorium? That's what you do when someone is dead? That's true, but not on our special Children's Day. During a discovery in a fun way to learn what happens in a crematorium. But also: face painting, balloon kites, listening to stories, crafts, delicious sweets and much more. I find it kinda refreshing. We may even take Maya. She's 5, and finally beginning to grok the mysteries of death, since Pippin the dog went away some time ago, and he doesn't seem to be coming back. I can't help but believe that a no-nonsense approach to the subject might just help to develop a healthier approach to the inevitability of death than the American approach of Denial.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-celebrity endorsements for TM
On 3/26/2014 7:03 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: It would be interesting to see if the Turq could come up with endorsements even close to this for the programmes of the Dolly Lama. From what I've read, almost every single TM endorsement made by a celebrity is also an endorsement of the Dalai Lama. I don't know of a single celebrity that doesn't endorse Free Tibet. Do you? I mean, other than the leaders of the government of communist China. It's probably not good karma to go hating the Tibetans just to win a religious debate with Barry. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
I guess I'm a young'n. I'm not yet 59. L
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You are, Lawson. Enjoy it while it lasts (-: PS In India, 60 is the really auspicious birthday, so I've heard... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:44 PM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: I guess I'm a young'n. I'm not yet 59. L
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On 3/26/2014 6:50 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: the Dolly Lama has failed miserably, has given up Tibet The Dalai Lama will never give up the fight to end communist Chinese occupation of Tibet and the basic human rights of Tibetans. Free Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet
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Ha, noozguru, at least it wasn't millet morning, noon and night! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:56 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On the second phase of my TTC they served lots of cauliflower. We had cauliflower pakoras (actually quite good), cauliflower spaghetti, etc, etc. By the time the course was over folks were sick of cauliflower. Wonder if many of them ever ate it again? :-D Regarding Ganesh, he is associated with wisdom. Hence Ganesh mantras like Om Gung Ganeshaya Namaha are powerful anti-kapha mantras which will help clear the head. On 03/26/2014 09:30 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I have always wondered about how the human brain resembles cauliflower. Think of how much Vedic knowledge could be mined from that vegetable. Title: Veda and Brassica oleracea. I think that would appeal to vegetarians, as unlike the brain, it is not made of meat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know what I'm talking about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : My interpretation of what he said is that the Ramayana can be seen as (among other things) an extended metaphor for how the human nervous system operates, with one-to-one correspondence between various literary/plot elements in the book, and actual aspects of our physical nervous system and how the parts interact. So, from THAT perspective, the battles of the Ramayana can be seen as taking place in our bodies. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I guess I'm a young'n. I'm not yet 59. So young, and ostensibly a software engineer, and enhanced by decades of TM improving your creative intelligence, and yet completely unable to figure out how to find and click the Show message history link at the bottom of the window when replying. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of nature are even less likely to change because of prayers than the god's appear to be. This is because they are laws rather than reasonable beings, laws don't change, that's what makes them reliable and stops the universe falling apart. (Note I clicked on the 'show message history' bit so you know
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
On 3/26/2014 3:09 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. Unless they are students you meet in a bar in Leiden or Amsterdam? In the village of Old Field, Long Island, I found nothing but footprints. The local fire station dispatcher (apparently the only town official on duty) gasped in horror when I told him (in case I did not come back) that I was headed to Lenz's home. The local paper let me know that a young woman had alleged that she was raped on his property in July by a worker and his girlfriend who were borrowing Lenz's hot tub when he was not home. Neighbors said Lenz was strange but affable (one said he thought Lenz had tried a little hypnosis in an effort to win him over). 'The Code Cult of the CPU Guru' http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dutch approach to dying
Face painting? Might be a good idea to ask the deceased relatives if it's OK. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This kinda has to be posted here, because it's something I haven't seen anywhere else, and I find it remarkably refreshing, and kinda spiritual. You know how in America no one really ever talks much about death, and they try especially to hide it from children? Well, here in Leiden the local Crematorium is sponsoring a Kinderdag -- a Children's Day. From a Google Chrome translation of their web page at http://www.dela.nl/evenementen http://www.dela.nl/evenementen: Sunday, April 6 Nursery from 11:00 to 16:00 Look around a crematorium? That's what you do when someone is dead? That's true, but not on our special Children's Day. During a discovery in a fun way to learn what happens in a crematorium. But also: face painting, balloon kites, listening to stories, crafts, delicious sweets and much more. I find it kinda refreshing. We may even take Maya. She's 5, and finally beginning to grok the mysteries of death, since Pippin the dog went away some time ago, and he doesn't seem to be coming back. I can't help but believe that a no-nonsense approach to the subject might just help to develop a healthier approach to the inevitability of death than the American approach of Denial.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dutch approach to dying
I meant: Face painting? Might be a good idea to ask the deceased's relatives if it's OK. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Face painting? Might be a good idea to ask the deceased relatives if it's OK. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This kinda has to be posted here, because it's something I haven't seen anywhere else, and I find it remarkably refreshing, and kinda spiritual. You know how in America no one really ever talks much about death, and they try especially to hide it from children? Well, here in Leiden the local Crematorium is sponsoring a Kinderdag -- a Children's Day. From a Google Chrome translation of their web page at http://www.dela.nl/evenementen http://www.dela.nl/evenementen: Sunday, April 6 Nursery from 11:00 to 16:00 Look around a crematorium? That's what you do when someone is dead? That's true, but not on our special Children's Day. During a discovery in a fun way to learn what happens in a crematorium. But also: face painting, balloon kites, listening to stories, crafts, delicious sweets and much more. I find it kinda refreshing. We may even take Maya. She's 5, and finally beginning to grok the mysteries of death, since Pippin the dog went away some time ago, and he doesn't seem to be coming back. I can't help but believe that a no-nonsense approach to the subject might just help to develop a healthier approach to the inevitability of death than the American approach of Denial.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum, trigeminal and other nerves. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:59 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, we have no religion. The trouble with your interpretation is that it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it. Best of both worlds. Trouble is, it isn't what he means. I read his first book of discoveries and the claim is that vedic literature is present in human physiology. Not a metaphor, actually present. And responsible for. He claims to have a one-to-one correlation between Indian stories and the human body. I bet I could find similar coincidences with, say, the works of Steven King. Just read the section on jyotish, all the planets have a direct connection to parts of the brain, this is offered as an explanation for the physics of astrology but not all the planets are represented because the ancients didn't know about anything beyond the orbit of Saturn due to them not having telescopes. You can go through the whole book like that, it makes no sense and is astoundingly poor science, but it's used as justification for modalities like MVVT and other new age dropsy like yagya's. Believe one and you get an idea of how the rest of it works. Except it doesn't. Obviously, not beyond the expectations of a placebo anyway. And the idea of deities as aspects of natural law sounds unfortunate to me, because the laws of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
The Lama-fellow is the biggest joke in the Tibet issue. There was no fight, he simply ran away to seek refuge amongst the Hindu's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/26/2014 6:50 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: the Dolly Lama has failed miserably, has given up Tibet The Dalai Lama will never give up the fight to end communist Chinese occupation of Tibet and the basic human rights of Tibetans. Free Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/25/2014 10:48 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: That's how it generally works Michael. When shown to be in error, just double down, or triple down on the error. Or if that fails, use some human tragedy in order to prove that TM is the cause of all out problems and then blame some poor Hindu pundit boys from India for not preventing it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you are both full of it - if you are going to stick to this assertion, try it out - you don't even have to go to India - go to your local Hindu temple
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On 3/25/2014 10:30 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Or maybe when an agenda they're so attached to, doesn't leave an opening for any dissenting information. Sometimes this happens when someone get fired from their job and kicked off the campus, so they don't want to talk about why they are so disgruntled. It's probably normal to be upset when that happens, but it is strange for someone to be that upset after twenty years. You'd think they would get over it or go for therapy with a trained social worker like John Knapp. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Nablusoss, I don't understand your thoughts about the Dalai Lama. What do you think he should have done? Stayed in Tibet and been killed by the Chinese?! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:13 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: The Lama-fellow is the biggest joke in the Tibet issue. There was no fight, he simply ran away to seek refuge amongst the Hindu's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/26/2014 6:50 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: the Dolly Lama has failed miserably, has given up Tibet The Dalai Lama will never give up the fight to end communist Chinese occupation of Tibet and the basic human rights of Tibetans. Free Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
But in binary form 60 is 00, the two zeros indicate encroaching senility. Very propitious. While in a base 4 number system I am 1021 years old. That makes me older than Methusala, and the 21 means I am still fit to vote in the United States, and drink beer. 'Auspicious' comes from a Latin root meaning 'divination from observing the flight of birds'. 'Auspicious' is thus a bird-brain concept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You are, Lawson. Enjoy it while it lasts (-: PS In India, 60 is the really auspicious birthday, so I've heard... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:44 PM, LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... wrote: I guess I'm a young'n. I'm not yet 59. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/25/2014 9:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I believe in the concept of enlightenment. The belief in the enlightenment tradition means that you believe in the *perfectibility* of mankind. The doctrine was first advanced by Buddha and later by Rousseau and others, that people are capable of achieving perfection on earth through natural means, without the grace of God.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/25/2014 8:40 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 1:54 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: It's like Judy has lost 20 or more IQ points by associating with the only two followers she's got left, Jim and Ann. Maybe you just don't realize that everyone is laughing at you, ever since you got sucked into this hobby way back in 1995. I've been following you and Judy since 1998 and I saw you do the old 180 and turned on your old gurus, but Judy has always stuck to her guns. We are all equal here - you can be anything you want to be - it's your message. Nice post. You get a gold star and I don't give these out easily. Thanks. How many IQ points do I get for a gold star?
[FairfieldLife] New Planet!
Cool, there is even more to our solar system than we thought. At least one new planet. A long way off but orbiting our sun nonetheless. But what to call it. Omega, Mondas, Vulcan? Hopefully not Melancholia http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/26/dwarf-planet-super-earth-solar-system-2012-vp113 http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/26/dwarf-planet-super-earth-solar-system-2012-vp113
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Xeno, you once called me a clam. So how a clam has a bird-brain idea is one of those mysteries I will contemplate unto my death bed! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:24 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: But in binary form 60 is 00, the two zeros indicate encroaching senility. Very propitious. While in a base 4 number system I am 1021 years old. That makes me older than Methusala, and the 21 means I am still fit to vote in the United States, and drink beer. 'Auspicious' comes from a Latin root meaning 'divination from observing the flight of birds'. 'Auspicious' is thus a bird-brain concept. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You are, Lawson. Enjoy it while it lasts (-: PS In India, 60 is the really auspicious birthday, so I've heard... On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:44 PM, LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... wrote: I guess I'm a young'n. I'm not yet 59. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me appreciate his genius again. The illustrations clearly show the resemblance to the human brain and even specific parts: the pons, medulla, cerebellum,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
On 3/25/2014 7:48 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, your family has FIVE generations alive! Got married to my first wife when I was twenty - two children, 1967-8. Go figure. Santa Rosa, CA: nice place to visit - let me know when it's finished! Wow! I can buy a home in Santa Rosa - median family homes are just $345,000. I could buy three nice houses in San Antonio for that much money. It's not complicated. [image: Inline image 1] 'Is this a good time to buy a home in Santa Rosa?' CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/realestate/snapshots/http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_realestate/2010/snapshots/384.html On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, your family has FIVE generations alive! That's inspiring. Good luck to your Dad. Has he seen his great great grand children? On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:43 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2014 11:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Just a waking state husband and wife, and 20 year old whose coming off the rails to some extent. You just wait, Steve, until you get some grand children to look after, then you'll be in a waking state! Mine are all grown up now, but it was a long time coming, it seemed like. Now it's just me and Rita sitting here in Santa Rosa looking after the great grand children - twins. We'll be out of here this weekend and back home again - I've got to drive Dad to the clinic so he can get a stint put in. It's complicated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Ah, salyavin, we have a crematorium theme going... The Ganesh comment I think was made as a joke. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:45 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Actually, I don't think it was me wondering about Ganesh in the first place! I love Shakespeare actually and a lot of Modern stuff. I'm a big fan of Betjeman, archetypal Englishman you see. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing when you say connection King Tony's idea is that Indian vedic poems are fundamental to the brain and body, not just present but giving rise to them. I don't get it, something to do with rishi devata and chandas no doubt, but it's all gobbledygook to me. Here's a jolly little number about spring for you: John Betjeman - Loneliness The last year's leaves are on the beech: The twigs are black; the cold is dry; To deeps beyond the deepest reach The Easter bells enlarge the sky. O ordered metal clatter-clang! Is yours the song the angels sang? You fill my heart with joy and grief - Belief! Belief! And unbelief... And, though you tell me I shall die, You say not how or when or why. Indifferent the finches sing, Unheeding roll the lorries past: What misery will this year bring Now spring is in the air at last? For, sure as blackthorn bursts to snow, Cancer in some of us will grow, The tasteful crematorium door Shuts out for some the furnace roar; But church-bells open on the blast Our loneliness, so long and vast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Okey, dokey salyavin, but you were the one who was wondering about Ganesh. Go figure! Why wouldn't there be a connection between your brain and an old poem?! Do you only get something from contemporary poets? Nothing from Shakespeare either? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:55 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I just didn't think the elephant/brain was a very convincing idea but it was the best in the book which is why everyone uses it as the first example, I don't think much of King Tony's ideas at all. If I'm going to read a book on human physiology I'll get one that's full of fascinating facts about the brain and what it does, there are tons of those. Wild speculation about Indian literature leaves me cold! Would depend what you mean by vibration and resonance I suppose. Things vibrate for sure but is there an actual connection between things in my brain and a poem someone wrote 1500 years ago? I like my science empirical you see and the claim that the universe is fundamentally subjective or made out of consciousness makes no sense to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, for the sake of brevity, I only mentioned one example. There are lots more. Then it begins to look like more than just a coincidence. So you don't believe in vibration or resonance?! In the simplest terms that's all that's being claimed and recommended. But I'm with you about Purusha. Though for me it would be Mother Divine. I love the relative and that's that! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:12 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You call them insights, I prefer hopeful coincidences. I remember the Ganesh illustration and thought the brain looks more like a cauliflower. To say it's an insight would mean it had some sort of profound meaning, he is claiming an awful lot for this. For instance, chanting sections of the ved is supposed to affect the part of the body where it resides. And it's supposed to affect it because of it's relationship with what is claimed to be a fundamental part of the universe - the ved itself. This ved is creating us. Apparently. On a related note, I heard the ved while meditating once. Or rather experienced it, it was long before I'd heard of the concept or been to any TM courses or lectures so it came as a complete, and mindblowing, surprise to suddenly have a nice meddy interrupted by the opening up of a vast, nay infinite, inner space and this loud, omnipresent humming noise. Only lasted a second but it made me jump out of my skin and I nearly fell off my chair. To most people that would be a confirmation of King Tony's ideas, but not me. I get very wary when unrepeated experiences are held up to be something amazing like that. I have no idea what happened really but my rationalist instincts suspect it's just something the nervous system does at certain times that got incorporated into, or started the huge mythos we all know and love. After discussing it with our local raja I was also told to go on Purusha where experiences like that could stabilise and I'd become a rishi myself! Couldn't be bothered though, all those weird guys. Weirder than me some of them ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I think you were the one asking about Ganesh. Dr. Nader's insights begin on pg. 341 of his book on Veda and human physiology. Makes me
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/25/2014 7:10 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: So, what do you make of the first sentence on the page you linked to at the bottom of your post. If Buddhism is all about enlightenment, what does this experience represent? Does it indicate that all those commentaries and books, which presumably discuss enlightenment, might have something wrong with them? Like maybe they were all nonsense? A special teaching outside the scriptures; no dependance on words. Immediately following his Awakening experience Zen master Te Shan burnt all of his commentaries and books on Zen that he had carried with him everywhere he went.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
On 3/25/2014 7:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Ever been to India, Michael? There is a nice small Hindu Temple in Columbia, SC.
[FairfieldLife] question about hoopla
I just heard about hoopla. Does anyone know why a library would not have it? Does it cost the library money? Time and attention?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
That lama-fellow should have sought out the most potent Vedic Saints, Maharishi was already active in India at the time. Instead he used his so-called Buddhism to impotently beg the CIA for help and fled to India where he has remained since, forever protected by the Hindu's and unable to do anything for his countrymen. So much for the power of Buddhism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, I don't understand your thoughts about the Dalai Lama. What do you think he should have done? Stayed in Tibet and been killed by the Chinese?! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:13 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: The Lama-fellow is the biggest joke in the Tibet issue. There was no fight, he simply ran away to seek refuge amongst the Hindu's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/26/2014 6:50 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: the Dolly Lama has failed miserably, has given up Tibet The Dalai Lama will never give up the fight to end communist Chinese occupation of Tibet and the basic human rights of Tibetans. Free Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Tibet
