Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
On the contrary, I will step up to the plate and give Feste a detailed (and long) answer from my POV, largely because I think he was trying *not* to be mean...just a normal TM elitist. (We can't help it if these skeptics don't know as much as we do.) :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. Feste will probably be surprised to learn that I agree with him -- that astrology, used correctly, can be a tool for self-analysis and self-understanding. But so can tarot cards. So can reading tea leaves. So can divining the future by examining the recently-removed entrails of an animal. *In my opinion*, in ALL of these cases it is possible for a person to gain valuable glimpses into the lives of themselves or others via any of these divining tools. BUT, I would also say that IMO the tools have nothing whatsoever to do with what they see or what they learn except by acting as a trigger to set off their own intuition. The astrology charts don't do diddleysquat, and contain no useful information. The tea leaves likewise don't do diddley, and as for the entrails, well, they're just a big steaming pile of internal organs. How all of these things work IMO is that they *trick* the practitioner into accessing their own intuition. Think of it in terms of Disney's Dumbo. Dumbo the elephant had huge ears, and after his friend gave him a magic feather to hold in his trunk, he could fly using them. But, after enjoying flying a lot, his friend finally told him that it was a normal old turkey feather, and that the only reason he could fly while holding it and couldn't fly before was that he *believed* he could if he was holding on to the magic feather. Well, that is how I think astrology, tarot, reading tea leaves, and reading the steaming entrails of lemurs works. They are psychic tricks that the practitioners of these arts play on themselves to trigger their own latent intuition and kickstart it into working. You may be surprised that I believe in intuition, but you shouldn't be. I have had sufficient experience with it -- both my own and the experiences of others -- to realize that there is *something* called intuition, and that it can work to see things that others cannot. It's not reliable, but IMO it exists. But to come back to this discussion, IMO the only thing that an astrology chart does is serve as Dumbo's feather. The charts contain NO useful information because the whole *premise* of astrology is bullshit. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Well, as Salyavin has said in the past (which you would know if you cared enough to read what he actually says instead of projecting your own assumptions onto his posts), you'd be wrong in his case. You'd be wrong in mine, too. I have had both Western and Jyotish charts done for me, by several (six in total, if I remember correctly) astrologers, about half of whom did it for a living. In retrospect, while I might have been impressed at the time, NOT A SINGLE THING they predicted ever came to pass. Their assessments of who I am were no more accurate than those of a carnival cold reader. If my theory about the charts triggering their intuition is correct, in my case these guys and gals failed to even pull the trigger. :-) They saw or revealed NOTHING valuable about me, my present, my past, or my future. My suspicion is that 95% of the people who feel otherwise, based on their interactions with astrologers, are just taking vague generalities that *would be true of anyone* and (because they'd already spent their money) reacting by saying, Wow...how can he/she *know* all this amazing stuff about me. They're acting like classic suckers on a carnival midway. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. See above. IF you use the practice of astrology as a trigger for your own intuition, without having to believe that it really works, then I suspect you could use it as you describe. But I would suspect that if you had discovered reading tea leaves of tarot cards *first*, they would work just as well. Again, it's not the props that contain any useful insights into who you are, it's your own mind, and you're just *tricking* it into revealing them by looking at an astrology chart. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He
[FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS
even The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals Following are just a few of the highlights from the 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India', which featured many of India's leading scientists, educators, government ministers and spiritual luminaries--and also prominent Vedic Scientists, educators and researchers from all parts of the world. Dr Peter Swan gives a beautiful, detailed overview of this historic conference, with slides, anecdotes, and descriptions of the speakers and their topics on the Maharishi Channel's 'Family Chat'. - Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaram (Dr Tony Nader) gave an overview of Vedic Science in light of Maharishi's insights: he explained that Vedic Science is not a philosophy or religion--or just inspiring stories. Vedic Science is the complete understanding of how Nature functions--both on the level of individual life, and all life in the universe. In great detail, he described the many ways that Maharishi revitalized the understanding of Vedic Science and brought out the techniques to experience Enlightenment--the fundamental reality that 'I am the Veda'. His talk highlighted the beauty and simplicity of Maharishi's Vedic Science and technologies: the reality that problems are many in the world but the solution is one--the experience of that divinity which is there within everyone. - The revered Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Vasudevananda Saraswati, gave a beautiful and stirring tribute to the ever growing impact of Maharishi's revival of Vedic Science in the world. And he congratulated Maharaja and all the scientists who are upholding the purity and completeness of this knowledge. He echoed the words of Maharaja: 'Vedic Science is not just for India--it is for the world'. And he pledged his complete support for implementing Maharishi's programmes to bring peace and prosperity to all lands and people. Shankaracharya ji presided over every session of the three day conference. He said: This knowledge is for everyone--Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, everyone. Maharaja has brought Maharishi's knowledge from modern science and Vedic Science and we will take it! I pray God, I wish, and I demand that we shine the light of Veda--that we shine the light of harmony--throughout India and the world. - Yogashri Swami Ram Dev ji, is considered by many to be the greatest living Yogi in India. He spoke with enormous enthusiasm about Maharishi's revival of knowledge, and Maharaja's leadership in the world. He promised to speak with Prime Minister Narendra Modi about implementing Maharishi's programmes for India, and he said that he wanted to sponsor the next such conference on Vedic Science. He requested that all the leading scientists that Maharishi had trained so perfectly, should again and again come to India to help with this great work. He said: Maharishi has done all the work by breaking down the barriers--by introducing Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, and Vedic Wisdom to the whole world. There are so many teachers in the field of Yoga--but we should all be learning from Maharishi. This is the real Vedic Yoga, that Maharishi ji has given to the world. He added: Maharaja has given up everything in the service of Maharishi--when we do that, when we give ourselves completely to service, then the whole world works for us! (followed by great laughter)...The world is fascinated by wealth, but it will never bring happiness and peace. Complete knowledge--this is what Maharaja is giving, and all his saintly scientists and educators. I salute Maharishi ji--that great Maha Purusha! Maharishi has brought you all, the vanguard of Vedic Knowledge in the world--the holy, pious priests of Vedic Wisdom--a blessing for the whole world. - Swami Amritaswaroopananda Puri is the senior disciple of Amma ji. He spoke about the importance of the Vedic principle of harmony. He said that this conference would surely become the inspiration for a coherent effort to restore Vedic Wisdom to India. - The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals. He has met with Maharishi's movement leaders, and has enthusiastically heard about all the practical, proven programmes to bring peace and harmony to the individual and world. - Honorable Dr Harsh Vardhan, Minister of Science and Technology, Government of India told the conference that he had wanted to spend every minute of the last three days with this conference. I will do my best to have all the programmes of Maharishi implemented through the various ministries of government. - Brazil's Education Minister spoke via tele-conference about how he is working to implement Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation into all the 48,000 government-run schools in Brazil. He said that the future of education in Brazil--and the world--is now shining bright because of this
[FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop
Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
I think you and Barry have too much time on your hands, from what I skimmed below. TIme to write endlessly on the internet, (but not take a few minutes to meet a friend for coffee) I guess those flesh and blood interactions can be a bitch. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your parents and grandparents birth details before they'd attempt a reading because it was too inaccurate otherwise. What sort of sussed, time-tested science has to do things like this? Why are there so many different types that each get a poo-pooing from each other? It was sstill inaccurate BTW and they went back to the old method because there's more money in it. Far from being closed minded I know how to draw up
Re: [FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop
Great writeup. Thanks. I doubt that I'd be able to get in to the Vlodrop
buildings if I went; it's just been too many years since I left the TMO for it
to have any easy way of figuring out who I was and that I actually went to TTC
in 1972 and took my Sidhis course in 1977. Besides, I don't have a beige suit,
so they probably wouldn't let me in for that reason. :-)
Sorry I couldn't get away for coffee when you were nearby. Big work deadline
that I just barely managed to meet.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop
Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years,
when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site,
with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as
something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now,
having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort
of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some
buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled
out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was
basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down,
it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official
permission to demolish it.
The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very
visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky,
an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent
webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave
me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and
gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which
I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building
isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been
too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been
gilded in the mean time.
My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and
forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc.
Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near
The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say,
that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of
bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is
driving with Maya.
Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS
From: email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com even The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals It's a pity Nabby isn't here any more. It would be fun to watch his head explode while watching the TM movement try to sell its products using the Dalai Lama. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your parents and grandparents birth details before they'd attempt a reading because it was too inaccurate otherwise. What sort of sussed, time-tested science has to do things like this? Why are there so many different types that each get a poo-pooing from each other? It was sstill inaccurate BTW and they went back to the old method because there's more money in it. Far from being closed minded I know how to draw up birthcharts - or I used to anyway, probably still got the book somewhere - but I dismissed it almost immediately as it's much more about the intuition of the person reading the chart than it is about planets and stuff. Marshy always said that a computer would make the best astrologer as there would be no misinterpretation of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
My experience with astrology is it always seems to work for people post-hoc, but not ex-ante, that when astrologers have to work in a double-blind or even a blind situation, they cannot determine anything. In astrological reading settings, people reveal a tremendous amount of detail about themselves to the astrologer which then gets filtered back to them, or riffed upon. At MIU I recall a course where people were asked to interpret charts blind, and nobody could could come to any conclusion, it was very frustrating for them. Here is an article discussing the 1985 double-blind test of astrology that appeared in Nature. I might still have a copy of this article somewhere, but as I recall astrologers did not do better than chance. It should be noted that this was a test of the Western version of astrology, but as the basic principles are the same, one would expect the same results with Jyotish. As Jyotish seems more event driven, it might be easier to test scientifically. Astrology Still Fails http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html Astrology Still Fails http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html I’ve written before about Shawn Carlson’s “A Double-blind Test of Astrology”, published in the journal Nature, in 1985. To recap, 116 people completed Californ... View on skeptico.blogs.com http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Yogic flying in the world today
Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying in the world today
LOL, since one person started doing that in London, all of the silent statues have had to incorporate levitation into their act to make any money. If you visit the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square there is a row of Yoda's, Chaplin's, Cybermen, Red Indians and God only knows what else all sitting on their seats while balancing on their poles (sorry to spoil it if you haven't worked it out). I remember Nabby as being the first to post a video of this here years ago. He thought it was real of course ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Himalayan Tantrik Yogi ( !!) in Pisa , Italy . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxoLsv5cD3g Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
Cheers for the nice photo's. Interesting to see how in yer face they are with the deities these days. We used to hide them when newbies or non-meditators were about. It looks like they are happy to embrace their inner Hindoo. That's quite a construction plan as well, be interesting to see how much of it they get built. All they need is the money I suspect ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Ahem, the person in question is the British politician who advocates astrology. BTW, I started reading about this several days ago. It sounds like he practices western astrology though not vedic. That's why I kidded Sal to go ask him. :-D On 02/27/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Asking what kind of astrology a person practices is like asking someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese what kind of knife astronauts should use to slice themselves off a chunk of moon to serve for dinner. :-) From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com He'sright about one thing: most of the astrology critics know shit about astrology. What kind of astrology does he follow: vedic (sidereal) or western? Why don't you go ask him. On 02/27/2015 12:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: It seems that Britain's ruling class have a secret penchant for asking the stars for advice and some even believe it's the missing link in healthcare. Those stupid scientists just don't understand it apparently. My favourite quote here is that astrology may not stand up to scrutiny but is based on thousands of years of observations. But majority of those were observing the wrong number of planets Also interesting is the claim that criticism of astrology is racism! Sounds like a desperate gambit to me. This is the march of the idiocracy. We'll be back in the stone age before we know it. I know what would solve crisis in the NHS, says Tory MP: astrology -
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS
Ha ha ha ha! Typical Movement bullshit. Label the conference as something not really TM-ish, but then stack the deck with Movement shills and junkies. Won't accomplish shit, but you gotta admire the TMO for trying to to get more and more and more stupid people to give them money. From: email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS even The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals Following are just a few of the highlights from the 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India', which featured many of India's leading scientists, educators, government ministers and spiritual luminaries--and also prominent Vedic Scientists, educators and researchers from all parts of the world. Dr Peter Swan gives a beautiful, detailed overview of this historic conference, with slides, anecdotes, and descriptions of the speakers and their topics on the Maharishi Channel's 'Family Chat'. - Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaram (Dr Tony Nader) gave an overview of Vedic Science in light of Maharishi's insights: he explained that Vedic Science is not a philosophy or religion--or just inspiring stories. Vedic Science is the complete understanding of how Nature functions--both on the level of individual life, and all life in the universe. In great detail, he described the many ways that Maharishi revitalized the understanding of Vedic Science and brought out the techniques to experience Enlightenment--the fundamental reality that 'I am the Veda'. His talk highlighted the beauty and simplicity of Maharishi's Vedic Science and technologies: the reality that problems are many in the world but the solution is one--the experience of that divinity which is there within everyone. - The revered Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Vasudevananda Saraswati, gave a beautiful and stirring tribute to the ever growing impact of Maharishi's revival of Vedic Science in the world. And he congratulated Maharaja and all the scientists who are upholding the purity and completeness of this knowledge. He echoed the words of Maharaja: 'Vedic Science is not just for India--it is for the world'. And he pledged his complete support for implementing Maharishi's programmes to bring peace and prosperity to all lands and people. Shankaracharya ji presided over every session of the three day conference. He said: This knowledge is for everyone--Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, everyone. Maharaja has brought Maharishi's knowledge from modern science and Vedic Science and we will take it! I pray God, I wish, and I demand that we shine the light of Veda--that we shine the light of harmony--throughout India and the world. - Yogashri Swami Ram Dev ji, is considered by many to be the greatest living Yogi in India. He spoke with enormous enthusiasm about Maharishi's revival of knowledge, and Maharaja's leadership in the world. He promised to speak with Prime Minister Narendra Modi about implementing Maharishi's programmes for India, and he said that he wanted to sponsor the next such conference on Vedic Science. He requested that all the leading scientists that Maharishi had trained so perfectly, should again and again come to India to help with this great work. He said: Maharishi has done all the work by breaking down the barriers--by introducing Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, and Vedic Wisdom to the whole world. There are so many teachers in the field of Yoga--but we should all be learning from Maharishi. This is the real Vedic Yoga, that Maharishi ji has given to the world. He added: Maharaja has given up everything in the service of Maharishi--when we do that, when we give ourselves completely to service, then the whole world works for us! (followed by great laughter)...The world is fascinated by wealth, but it will never bring happiness and peace. Complete knowledge--this is what Maharaja is giving, and all his saintly scientists and educators. I salute Maharishi ji--that great Maha Purusha! Maharishi has brought you all, the vanguard of Vedic Knowledge in the world--the holy, pious priests of Vedic Wisdom--a blessing for the whole world. - Swami Amritaswaroopananda Puri is the senior disciple of Amma ji. He spoke about the importance of the Vedic principle of harmony. He said that this conference would surely become the inspiration for a coherent effort to restore Vedic Wisdom to India. - The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals. He has met with Maharishi's movement leaders, and has enthusiastically heard about all the practical, proven programmes to bring peace and harmony to the individual and world. - Honorable Dr Harsh Vardhan, Minister of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Sal, just curious, does you employer know just how much time you spend on the internet during work hours? I know it's the weekend, but, you are pretty much a round the clock the poster, most heavily during work hours, from what you, yourself have said. Oh, word to the wise. Just keep ignoring posters who bug you. On the other hand, maybe your job is so uninspiring, that anything is better than just twiddling your thumbs, or taking care of warranty issues. Keep up the good work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Ahem, the person in question is the British politician who advocates astrology. BTW, I started reading about this several days ago. It sounds like he practices western astrology though not vedic. That's why I kidded Sal to go ask him. :-D On 02/27/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Asking what kind of astrology a person practices is like asking someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese what kind of knife astronauts should use to slice themselves off a chunk of moon to serve for dinner. :-) From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com He'sright about one thing: most of the astrology critics know shit about astrology. What kind of astrology does he follow: vedic (sidereal) or western? Why don't you go ask him. On 02/27/2015 12:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: It seems that Britain's ruling class have a secret penchant for asking the stars for advice and some even believe
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Ahh, but you forget the Hindoos always anthropomorphize everything including the planets. They believe the planets are pulsating awarenesses of some kind, just like the New Agers believe they are gods or archangels or some such. Thus they can have influence on us! The obvious thing to think of someone who learns a lot about themselves from their first chart is that they were very un-self aware to begin with. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your parents and grandparents birth details before they'd attempt a reading because it was too inaccurate otherwise. What sort of sussed, time-tested science has to do
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Hey, sorry you took offense. But, I'm afraid I still stand by it. Oh, those punches under the belt part. something I learned at the_peak? dude, the master is here in our midst. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I think you and Barry have too much time on your hands, from what I skimmed below. TIme to write endlessly on the internet, (but not take a few minutes to meet a friend for coffee) I guess those flesh and blood interactions can be a bitch. (-: This is such a stupid and inappropriate comment, as we say here, a punch under the belt, that it really angers me. You have nothing to do with it, why do you interfere? You just take a friendly interaction and abuse it for your own vicious goals. Is that what you learn at the_peak? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? [2 Attachments]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 02/28/2015 06:19 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: My experience with astrology is it always seems to work for people post-hoc, but not ex-ante, that when astrologers have to work in a double-blind or even a blind situation, they cannot determine anything. In astrological reading settings, people reveal a tremendous amount of detail about themselves to the astrologer which then gets filtered back to them, or riffed upon. At MIU I recall a course where people were asked to interpret charts blind, and nobody could could come to any conclusion, it was very frustrating for them. Here is an article discussing the 1985 double-blind test of astrology that appeared in Nature. I might still have a copy of this article somewhere, but as I recall astrologers did not do better than chance. It should be noted that this was a test of the Western version of astrology, but as the basic principles are the same, one would expect the same results with Jyotish. As Jyotish seems more event driven, it might be easier to test scientifically. Which basic principles are the same? The principle that the planets and stars (incl. the Sun), their position in the sky, their position at certain times on the horizon have certain specific influences on our life, which if known will tell us more about ourselves and/or predict events in our future which we might either embrace or avoid: 'The knowledge of Maharishi Jyotish and Maharishi Yagya programs is that supreme knowledge that locates the whole panorama of life through one single point of a wide-angle lens—the time and place of birth of the individual is sufficient for a detailed calculation of the spread of the events of his whole life. And whenever during the lifetime negative influences are observed in the horoscope, calculations are made in advance to prescribe Maharishi Yagya performances to generate positive influences to counterbalance the negative influences of the past.' The part that makes this untenable is the mechanism by which this is supposed to work does not appear to be known, all that is ever said is there is a correlation with these positions and potential effects. Also how the descriptions of those influences were discovered or determined never seems to be specified either. It seems to me astrological readings are often more like sessions with a psychiatrist, almost as if people have a need to talk things out about their life, what kind of decisions they need to make because they are unable to do so by themselves. If things like TM worked the way they were advertised, one would be in accord with all the laws of nature and none of this hooey would be needed to fix anything. A system that works would show how such a system could be constructed from scratch. In other words the astrologer would go outside and start observing the sky and tabulating what is observed, naming stars and planets and what else, working out how to connect the lines to create constellations, and correlating that with human beings. Seems like a lot of work compared to using canned software programs that make use of data provided by real scientists (astronomers). Jyotish seems slightly more rational (compared to total insanity) in that it takes care of the precession of the equinox in its calculations, and slightly less rational in that it does not take into account new discoveries in the sky such as Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, Ceres, Makemake, Haumea, and Eris. Let's say you were on Kepler 62f, which is about 1,200 light years from Earth. Kepler 62 is a sun-like star and Kepler 62f is thought to have water and be in the habitable zone. How would you go about making an astrology system for a colony on that planet? None of the constellations and positions of stars we see here would be the same. So what is the first step, starting from scratch? Attached are two views of the sky from Kepler 62f one looking East-SouthEast, and one looking West-Northwest. There are a few familiar stars. The Sun is invisible because it it too faint and far away to be seen. The West-Northwest view has the home star (Kepler 62) and four planets above the horizon. Go to it. Also when considering something like this, how would you go about determining if it actually works, since the system makes predictions, they can be tested, so how would you go about designing a test that does not allow you to fool yourself as to its efficacy? Astrology Still Fails Astrology Still Fails I’ve written before about Shawn Carlson’s “A Double-blind Test of Astrology”, published in the journal Nature, in 1985. To recap, 116 people completed Californ... View on skeptico.blogs.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
this falls into the silver colloidal category. Personal experiences that upset Sals view of how things should be, tend to throw him for a loop. Instead of considering that his point of view may be a little off, what does he do? Why he shoots the messenger. That's what he does. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
On 02/28/2015 01:25 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: [Attachment(s) #TopText from anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] included below] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 02/28/2015 06:19 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: My experience with astrology is it always seems to work for people post-hoc, but not ex-ante, that when astrologers have to work in a double-blind or even a blind situation, they cannot determine anything. In astrological reading settings, people reveal a tremendous amount of detail about themselves to the astrologer which then gets filtered back to them, or riffed upon. At MIU I recall a course where people were asked to interpret charts blind, and nobody could could come to any conclusion, it was very frustrating for them. Here is an article discussing the 1985 double-blind test of astrology that appeared in Nature. I might still have a copy of this article somewhere, but as I recall astrologers did not do better than chance. It should be noted that this was a test of the Western version of astrology, but as the basic principles are the same, one would expect the same results with Jyotish. As Jyotish seems more event driven, it might be easier to test scientifically. *Which basic principles are the same?** * The principle that the planets and stars (incl. the Sun), their position in the sky, their position at certain times on the horizon have certain specific influences on our life, which if known will tell us more about ourselves and/or predict events in our future which we might either embrace or avoid: More specific than that but you do address one below. 'The knowledge of Maharishi Jyotish and Maharishi Yagya programs is that supreme knowledge that locates the whole panorama of life through one single point of a wide-angle lens—the time and place of birth of the individual is sufficient for a detailed calculation of the spread of the events of his whole life. And whenever during the lifetime negative influences are observed in the horoscope, calculations are made in advance to prescribe Maharishi Yagya performances to generate positive influences to counterbalance the negative influences of the past.' For the record I don't know anything about Maharishi Jyotish. My background is from other schools and teachers of Indian astrology. It may not deviate a lot from those but there are different schools of Jyotish. Some will use the 6,8,12 houses to determine malefic planets and others the upachaya houses for malefics. Rahu and Ketu unless exalted in a chart and in a malefic house may often produce positive instead of negative results. But for many people they bring negativity during their planetary periods and transits. The part that makes this untenable is the mechanism by which this is supposed to work does not appear to be known, all that is ever said is there is a correlation with these positions and potential effects. Also how the descriptions of those influences were discovered or determined never seems to be specified either. Many jyotishis think jyotish astrology evolved from keeping track of the effects of the sun and moon which definitely effect many things on earth beyond the tides and weather. This was import as to understand when to plan for planting of crops and when to predict drought and famine. For people, especially those who were not rich and didn't have access to astrologers, this was kept track via the Panchang. It deals with the position of the Sun and Moon even relative to the individual and didn't need an astrologer to track. It is used to find auspicious times for doing something and inauspicious times to avoid doing something. It seems to me astrological readings are often more like sessions with a psychiatrist, almost as if people have a need to talk things out about their life, what kind of decisions they need to make because they are unable to do so by themselves. If things like TM worked the way they were advertised, one would be in accord with all the laws of nature and none of this hooey would be needed to fix anything. When I did readings most people would just listen. It wasn't like a psych session. They might ask questions like will I get married or will I find a good job. The planetary periods can act as a weather report to show when the best times for these might be. Western or tropical astrology tends however to be more like a psychological analysis of the personality. They may use solar returns and transits for predicting events. But I've never understood the penchant for adding newly discovered planets or even asteroids and comets other than the hope that it might make their tropical
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS
MMY's true goals finally surface! This is what it was all about from the very beginning. Even Charlie Lutes said as much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha ha ha! Typical Movement bullshit. Label the conference as something not really TM-ish, but then stack the deck with Movement shills and junkies. Won't accomplish shit, but you gotta admire the TMO for trying to to get more and more and more stupid people to give them money. One thing is for sure - you sucked as a dish-washer! YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO STACK DISHES IN THE MUM CAMPUS KITCHEN EVER AGAIN. LoL! From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Email4you mikemail4you@... Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS even The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals Following are just a few of the highlights from the 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India', which featured many of India's leading scientists, educators, government ministers and spiritual luminaries--and also prominent Vedic Scientists, educators and researchers from all parts of the world. Dr Peter Swan gives a beautiful, detailed overview of this historic conference, with slides, anecdotes, and descriptions of the speakers and their topics on the Maharishi Channel's 'Family Chat'. Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaram (Dr Tony Nader) gave an overview of Vedic Science in light of Maharishi's insights: he explained that Vedic Science is not a philosophy or religion--or just inspiring stories. Vedic Science is the complete understanding of how Nature functions--both on the level of individual life, and all life in the universe. In great detail, he described the many ways that Maharishi revitalized the understanding of Vedic Science and brought out the techniques to experience Enlightenment--the fundamental reality that 'I am the Veda'. His talk highlighted the beauty and simplicity of Maharishi's Vedic Science and technologies: the reality that problems are many in the world but the solution is one--the experience of that divinity which is there within everyone. The revered Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Vasudevananda Saraswati, gave a beautiful and stirring tribute to the ever growing impact of Maharishi's revival of Vedic Science in the world. And he congratulated Maharaja and all the scientists who are upholding the purity and completeness of this knowledge. He echoed the words of Maharaja: 'Vedic Science is not just for India--it is for the world'. And he pledged his complete support for implementing Maharishi's programmes to bring peace and prosperity to all lands and people. Shankaracharya ji presided over every session of the three day conference. He said: This knowledge is for everyone--Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, everyone. Maharaja has brought Maharishi's knowledge from modern science and Vedic Science and we will take it! I pray God, I wish, and I demand that we shine the light of Veda--that we shine the light of harmony--throughout India and the world. Yogashri Swami Ram Dev ji, is considered by many to be the greatest living Yogi in India. He spoke with enormous enthusiasm about Maharishi's revival of knowledge, and Maharaja's leadership in the world. He promised to speak with Prime Minister Narendra Modi about implementing Maharishi's programmes for India, and he said that he wanted to sponsor the next such conference on Vedic Science. He requested that all the leading scientists that Maharishi had trained so perfectly, should again and again come to India to help with this great work. He said: Maharishi has done all the work by breaking down the barriers--by introducing Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, and Vedic Wisdom to the whole world. There are so many teachers in the field of Yoga--but we should all be learning from Maharishi. This is the real Vedic Yoga, that Maharishi ji has given to the world. He added: Maharaja has given up everything in the service of Maharishi--when we do that, when we give ourselves completely to service, then the whole world works for us! (followed by great laughter)...The world is fascinated by wealth, but it will never bring happiness and peace. Complete knowledge--this is what Maharaja is giving, and all his saintly scientists and educators. I salute Maharishi ji--that great Maha Purusha! Maharishi has brought you all, the vanguard of Vedic Knowledge in the world--the holy, pious priests of Vedic Wisdom--a blessing for the whole world. Swami Amritaswaroopananda Puri is the senior disciple of Amma ji. He spoke about the importance of the Vedic principle of harmony. He said that this conference would surely become the inspiration for a coherent effort to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did you look at the article I sent you a link to? There was a reason I posted it. In the comments a scientist friend who I hang out with at the local Starbucks weighs in. And we often debate the subject. I read it and was puzzled about why you posted it but didn't have time to query it. It concludes that people who understand what the term astrology actually means think that it's very unscientific and they are right, but it's what I think so I don't know what the point was. It's good that they know what scientific means too - if that is indeed the case. I'm sure a lot of people think that because astrology is technical and precise in its measurements that must mean that it's outcomes are reliable and accurate and due to some sort of planetary influence. A proper scientific study would check every assumption from top to bottom and compare it with currently known paradigms about cosmology and psychology etc. But none of these would be worth the effort unless you are sure there is a signal-to-noise ratio worth investigating. Basically, can it tell us useful things we don't already know? Knowledge about ourselves and our lives that can't be gained in any other way. If it can then it's worth studying. If it can't then what is the point of it? On 02/28/2015 05:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so
Re: [FairfieldLife] Birdman director is TMer
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I thought I'd made myself clear. You did not make yourself clear. You failed to explain how 200 drug-crazed hippies got into a State Park in the middle of the night, when everyone knows that state parks are closed to tourists at 6:00 PM and there's only parking space for a dozen cars at a time. You also failed to make clear exactly how you got back to Denny's without getting a DUI after staying up all night, drinking and carousing and dancing around an illegal bon fire. You could have at least cleaned up your camp site before you left. Everyone know there are only two public latrines at the park. Gawd! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB In my well-considered opinion, I class anyone who believes in astrology in the same category as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *variety* of astrology they believe in is therefore irrelevant. What they think of me is also irrelevant. Knowing shit about astrology is the most irrelevant of all. Look, I get it. You believe in this stuff and you've devoted time and energy to study it, and thus you are more than a little attached to believing that you didn't waste your time. I think you did, and I'm not willing to waste mine. We're at an impasse. You will never convince me otherwise, except by producing a study conducted with near-perfect protocols and study design that proves otherwise, so strongly that *any* scientist would believe it. We (non-believers in astrology) have said this on this forum many times, inviting the believers in astrology here to perform a mini-verison of such a study and predict some concrete, non-falsifiable event in the future that can be easily verified as either having happened in the predicted (and short term) timeline, or disproved. Not one of you has ever done so. It is my contention that you have not done so because you can't. So the bottom line is that I think it's just FINE for you to believe in astrology, even though I think it's a crock of shit. You can't ever change my mind about this *EXCEPT* by producing the kind of definitive, scientific study I ask for. There it stands. Put up or shut up. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Ahem, the person in question is the British politician who advocates astrology. BTW, I started reading about this several days ago. It sounds like he practices western astrology though not vedic. That's why I kidded Sal to go ask him. :-D On 02/27/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Asking what kind of astrology a person practices is like asking someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese what kind of knife astronauts should use to slice themselves off a chunk of moon to serve for dinner. :-) From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com He'sright about one thing: most of the astrology critics know shit about astrology. What kind of astrology does he follow: vedic (sidereal) or western? Why don't you go ask him. On 02/27/2015 12:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: It seems that Britain's ruling class have a secret penchant for asking the stars for advice and some even believe it's the missing link in healthcare. Those stupid scientists just don't understand it apparently. My favourite quote here is that astrology may not stand up to scrutiny but is based on thousands of years of observations. But majority of those were observing the wrong number of planets Also interesting is the claim that criticism of astrology is racism! Sounds like a desperate gambit to me. This is the march of the idiocracy. We'll be back
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Cheers for the nice photo's. Interesting to see how in yer face they are with the deities these days. We used to hide them when newbies or non-meditators were about. It looks like they are happy to embrace their inner Hindoo. My friend told me, that these outside shrines - they aren't real temples, but clearly Hindu deities of course - where put up by the Mother Divine - the female pedant to Purusha. It's all within the compound, so not accessable to the general public. They are not full statues, but relief shaped, so that they don't have to be regularly worshipped That's quite a construction plan as well, be interesting to see how much of it they get built. All they need is the money I suspect There are already many buildings, but the old monastary is still in the way. Many elements of the buildings are prefabricated, and then put together at the location. He showed my a hall, where they collect, and process all the video materials, of which there have been many over the years of course. Would be interesting what comes out of it, over the years. I could have made more pictures, but once he let me enter the house, I was so in awe, that I put my phone away. Most of it is online somewhere anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
So, you took up a bus up to Iowa to join a religious cult; work in the kitchen as a bus-boy for free; lived in a pod for two years; got down on your hands and knees twice a day to pray to the Hindu gods; and went inside a golden dome for hours to try and fly; but we are a bunch of blind men commenting on an elephant. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D That's like saying we all have to get ebola to know its a bad thing. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Yes, there are many bad astrologers. I read an article a couple years about by an astrologer who asserted that many beginning astrologers are sometimes better at interpretations than experienced astrologers. Why? Because astrologer because tangled up in the rules.. Beginners tend to use their intuition as they don't know the rules yet. But doing astrology mechanically by the rules would be as bad as writing a piece of music based entirely on the rules of music theory and composition. Those rules are tools and meant to help you out of a bind when writing a tune. Likewise astrology is a form of divination like palmistry. We don't know how it works but it does work in the hands of someone with intuition and the ability to divine meaning out of abstraction. In our computer age it is now possible to examine recurring patterns that took place over centuries. One recurring pattern that is being studied shows an 80 year recurring cycle that expresses itself through our global politics. Think what was taking place 80 years ago and compare it with now. This cycle has been shown to go back about 900 years. Predictive astrology is a primitive method of mapping these cycles. In general it is a weather report that provides the propensity for events happening. I know Chakrapani and he's also looked at my horoscope in one of his group sessions. Blurted out that I should have been a doctor because of the presence of Jupiter in my first house. Interesting because I have no problem understanding medical and biochemical principles but if I had chosen that field I would have gone the research rather than clinical route. But I have a strong third house ruled by Jupiter which drove me into the arts. I even regard computer programming as an artform and not a science. The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D On 02/28/2015 05:54 AM, feste37 wrote: That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great
Re: [FairfieldLife] Birdman director is TMer
It's coming to Redbox on the 17th so will check it out. I want to check out Whiplash too because I'm very familiar with that scenario. :-D On 02/28/2015 11:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com yet another brilliant film director is a TMer */That almost makes sense, because although it's creative, Birdman is BY FAR the most narcissistic film I've ever seen. /* ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Meditación Trascendental Perú | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 image https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Me... https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de Cine ganador del Oscar 2015 como mejor director por su película también ganadora como la ... View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ha ha ha ha! Typical Movement bullshit. Label the conference as something not really TM-ish, but then stack the deck with Movement shills and junkies. Won't accomplish shit, but you gotta admire the TMO for trying to to get more and more and more stupid people to give them money. One thing is for sure - you sucked as a dish-washer! YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO STACK DISHES IN THE MUM CAMPUS KITCHEN EVER AGAIN. LoL! From: email4you mikemail4you@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Email4you mikemail4you@... Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India' / HIGHLIGHTS even The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals Following are just a few of the highlights from the 'International Conference for Re-establishing Vedic India', which featured many of India's leading scientists, educators, government ministers and spiritual luminaries--and also prominent Vedic Scientists, educators and researchers from all parts of the world. Dr Peter Swan gives a beautiful, detailed overview of this historic conference, with slides, anecdotes, and descriptions of the speakers and their topics on the Maharishi Channel's 'Family Chat'. Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaram (Dr Tony Nader) gave an overview of Vedic Science in light of Maharishi's insights: he explained that Vedic Science is not a philosophy or religion--or just inspiring stories. Vedic Science is the complete understanding of how Nature functions--both on the level of individual life, and all life in the universe. In great detail, he described the many ways that Maharishi revitalized the understanding of Vedic Science and brought out the techniques to experience Enlightenment--the fundamental reality that 'I am the Veda'. His talk highlighted the beauty and simplicity of Maharishi's Vedic Science and technologies: the reality that problems are many in the world but the solution is one--the experience of that divinity which is there within everyone. The revered Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Vasudevananda Saraswati, gave a beautiful and stirring tribute to the ever growing impact of Maharishi's revival of Vedic Science in the world. And he congratulated Maharaja and all the scientists who are upholding the purity and completeness of this knowledge. He echoed the words of Maharaja: 'Vedic Science is not just for India--it is for the world'. And he pledged his complete support for implementing Maharishi's programmes to bring peace and prosperity to all lands and people. Shankaracharya ji presided over every session of the three day conference. He said: This knowledge is for everyone--Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, everyone. Maharaja has brought Maharishi's knowledge from modern science and Vedic Science and we will take it! I pray God, I wish, and I demand that we shine the light of Veda--that we shine the light of harmony--throughout India and the world. Yogashri Swami Ram Dev ji, is considered by many to be the greatest living Yogi in India. He spoke with enormous enthusiasm about Maharishi's revival of knowledge, and Maharaja's leadership in the world. He promised to speak with Prime Minister Narendra Modi about implementing Maharishi's programmes for India, and he said that he wanted to sponsor the next such conference on Vedic Science. He requested that all the leading scientists that Maharishi had trained so perfectly, should again and again come to India to help with this great work. He said: Maharishi has done all the work by breaking down the barriers--by introducing Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, and Vedic Wisdom to the whole world. There are so many teachers in the field of Yoga--but we should all be learning from Maharishi. This is the real Vedic Yoga, that Maharishi ji has given to the world. He added: Maharaja has given up everything in the service of Maharishi--when we do that, when we give ourselves completely to service, then the whole world works for us! (followed by great laughter)...The world is fascinated by wealth, but it will never bring happiness and peace. Complete knowledge--this is what Maharaja is giving, and all his saintly scientists and educators. I salute Maharishi ji--that great Maha Purusha! Maharishi has brought you all, the vanguard of Vedic Knowledge in the world--the holy, pious priests of Vedic Wisdom--a blessing for the whole world. Swami Amritaswaroopananda Puri is the senior disciple of Amma ji. He spoke about the importance of the Vedic principle of harmony. He said that this conference would surely become the inspiration for a coherent effort to restore Vedic Wisdom to India. The Dalai Lama sent his greetings and full support for reaching the conference goals. He has met with Maharishi's movement leaders, and has enthusiastically
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
On 02/28/2015 06:19 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: My experience with astrology is it always seems to work for people post-hoc, but not ex-ante, that when astrologers have to work in a double-blind or even a blind situation, they cannot determine anything. In astrological reading settings, people reveal a tremendous amount of detail about themselves to the astrologer which then gets filtered back to them, or riffed upon. At MIU I recall a course where people were asked to interpret charts blind, and nobody could could come to any conclusion, it was very frustrating for them. Here is an article discussing the 1985 double-blind test of astrology that appeared in Nature. I might still have a copy of this article somewhere, but as I recall astrologers did not do better than chance. It should be noted that this was a test of the Western version of astrology, but as the basic principles are the same, one would expect the same results with Jyotish. As Jyotish seems more event driven, it might be easier to test scientifically. *Which basic principles are the same?** * Astrology Still Fails http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html image http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html Astrology Still Fails http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html I’ve written before about Shawn Carlson’s “A Double-blind Test of Astrology”, published in the journal Nature, in 1985. To recap, 116 people completed Californ... View on skeptico.blogs.com http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/08/shawn-carlson-astrology-test-nature-suitbert-ertel-reappraisal.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D That's like saying we all have to get ebola to know its a bad thing. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Yes, there are many bad astrologers. I read an article a couple years about by an astrologer who asserted that many beginning astrologers are sometimes better at interpretations than experienced astrologers. Why? Because astrologer because tangled up in the rules.. Beginners tend to use their intuition as they don't know the rules yet. But doing astrology mechanically by the rules would be as bad as writing a piece of music based entirely on the rules of music theory and composition. Those rules are tools and meant to help you out of a bind when writing a tune. Likewise astrology is a form of divination like palmistry. We don't know how it works but it does work in the hands of someone with intuition and the ability to divine meaning out of abstraction. In our computer age it is now possible to examine recurring patterns that took place over centuries. One recurring pattern that is being studied shows an 80 year recurring cycle that expresses itself through our global politics. Think what was taking place 80 years ago and compare it with now. This cycle has been shown to go back about 900 years. Predictive astrology is a primitive method of mapping these cycles. In general it is a weather report that provides the propensity for events happening. I know Chakrapani and he's also looked at my horoscope in one of his group sessions. Blurted out that I should have been a doctor because of the presence of Jupiter in my first house. Interesting because I have no problem understanding medical and biochemical principles but if I had chosen that field I would have gone the research rather than clinical route. But I have a strong third house ruled by Jupiter which drove me into the arts. I even regard computer programming as an artform and not a science. The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D On 02/28/2015 05:54 AM, feste37 wrote: That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
@_@ What other funnies do you have for use today, Michael? On 02/28/2015 08:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D That's like saying we all have to get ebola to know its a bad thing. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? Yes, there are *many* bad astrologers. I read an article a couple years about by an astrologer who asserted that many beginning astrologers are sometimes better at interpretations than experienced astrologers. Why? Because astrologer because tangled up in the rules.. Beginners tend to use their intuition as they don't know the rules yet. But doing astrology mechanically by the rules would be as bad as writing a piece of music based entirely on the rules of music theory and composition. Those rules are tools and meant to help you out of a bind when writing a tune. Likewise astrology is a form of divination like palmistry. We don't know how it works but it does work in the hands of someone with intuition and the ability to divine meaning out of abstraction. In our computer age it is now possible to examine recurring patterns that took place over centuries. One recurring pattern that is being studied shows an 80 year recurring cycle that expresses itself through our global politics. Think what was taking place 80 years ago and compare it with now. This cycle has been shown to go back about 900 years. Predictive astrology is a primitive method of mapping these cycles. In general it is a weather report that provides the propensity for events happening. I know Chakrapani and he's also looked at my horoscope in one of his group sessions. Blurted out that I should have been a doctor because of the presence of Jupiter in my first house. Interesting because I have no problem understanding medical and biochemical principles but if I had chosen that field I would have gone the research rather than clinical route. But I have a strong third house ruled by Jupiter which drove me into the arts. I even regard computer programming as an artform and not a science. The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D On 02/28/2015 05:54 AM, feste37 wrote: That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Scroll on down in the comments section and read those by Chris Benson. He's even one of your fellow countrymen. On 02/28/2015 09:34 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did you look at the article I sent you a link to? There was a reason I posted it. In the comments a scientist friend who I hang out with at the local Starbucks weighs in. And we often debate the subject. I read it and was puzzled about why you posted it but didn't have time to query it. It concludes that people who understand what the term astrology /actually means /think that it's very unscientific and they are right, but it's what I think so I don't know what the point was. It's good that they know what scientific means too - if that is indeed the case. I'm sure a lot of people think that because astrology is technical and precise in its measurements that must mean that it's outcomes are reliable and accurate and due to some sort of planetary influence. A proper scientific study would check every assumption from top to bottom and compare it with currently known paradigms about cosmology and psychology etc. But none of these would be worth the effort unless you are sure there is a signal-to-noise ratio worth investigating. Basically, can it tell us useful things we don't already know? Knowledge about ourselves and our lives that can't be gained in any other way. If it can then it's worth studying. If it can't then what is the point of it? On 02/28/2015 05:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? *You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D *On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Birdman director is TMer
So is David Lynch and who the hell wants to be anything like that freak?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
I don't even possess a suit anymore, I just wear jeans, and an orange sweater. I was just lucky to see this friend, I hadn't even thought of this. And it was perfect timing, as a day later, he was flying to India to this conference. I didn't expect this openess and that he even had the keys to Maharishis building, he was just being very nice to me. Part of it was, that we both had lived at this place once, and that we had worked together. Never mind for the coffee, and there might be opportunities later on ;-) - I was also on a tight schedule myself.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world
Peru and it's natural resources can't compare to your home state, South Carolina, with its salt marshes, stony sand and rocky foothills, dunes and sediments of silt and clay; its tornadoes, cyclones, earthquakes and hurricanes and mosquito-infested sub-tropical swamps. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : A very simple search shows just how full of crap this envy of the world is. Peru is a country of abundant natural resources and rich culture. Despite this, over half of the population live in poverty. Social discrimination and inequality are widespread. More information on the key challenges for Peru are outlined below. The biggest problem for travellers in Peru is, without adoubt, thieves, for which the country has one of the worst reputations in SouthAmerica In recent years, public protests against large-scale mining projects, as well as other government policies and private sector initiatives, have led to numerous confrontations between police and protesters, and resulted in the shooting deaths of civilians by state security forces Face it Sri - the TM Movement is a huckster organization that can't save its own ass much less the rest of the world. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world Barack Obama: Avance económico del Perú es envidia del mundo http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 Barack Obama: Avance económico del Perú es env... http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 El presidente de los Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, se reunió hoy con el nuevo embajador peruano en Washington y ex ministro de Econom... View on elcomercio.pe http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Did you look at the article I sent you a link to? There was a reason I posted it. In the comments a scientist friend who I hang out with at the local Starbucks weighs in. And we often debate the subject. On 02/28/2015 05:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I'll step aside and wait for Sal to answer this one - anything I say would just sound mean. I dunno MJ, I'm starting to get convinced about all this. When I look at the trolls on here it makes me think there must be something to astrology. Why would you post on a forum if you've got nothing to say except slagging off the other posters unless you were being driven to it by some sort of existential compulsion? Why waste your life in such a pointless way? Joy in spreading misery? It don't sound very spiritual. So maybe the charts of some of FFL's denizens should be checked for planetary conjunctions that result in excessive negativity that gets used as a way of beefing up the ego of the sufferer. I'm sure we'll all be happy to chip in for a rectifying yagya. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 7:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) As for the sceptics, I am reminded of the remark attributed to Isaac Newton when the astronomer Halley tweaked him about his belief in astrology. Sir, I have studied it; you have not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And everyone who thinks astrology is crap or at least a benign fantasy would be laughing at you Bhai. *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 12:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? *You just made yourself a laughing stock to anyone who knows astrology with that statement. Show you know shit about astrology and proves my point. Another beer? :-D *On 02/27/2015 09:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Exactly. It's the fact that he believes in astrology that puts him in the same camp as someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese. What *type* of astrology he believes in is irrelevant. /* *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 6:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up? *Ahem, the person in question is the British politician who advocates astrology. BTW, I started reading about this several days ago. It sounds like he practices western astrology though not vedic. That's why /I kidded/ Sal to go ask him. :-D * On 02/27/2015 08:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Asking what kind of astrology a person practices is like asking someone who believes that the moon is made of green cheese what kind of knife astronauts should use to slice themselves off a chunk of moon to serve for dinner. :-)/* *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com He'sright about one thing: most of the astrology critics know shit about astrology. What kind of astrology does he follow: vedic (sidereal) or western? Why don't you go
[FairfieldLife] Space is Deep..
Hubble at 25: the cosmos at its most breathtaking – in pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/28/hubble-at-25-the-cosmos-at-its-most-breathtaking-in-pictures http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/28/hubble-at-25-the-cosmos-at-its-most-breathtaking-in-pictures Hubble at 25: the cosmos at its most breathtaking – in p... http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/28/hubble-at-25-the-cosmos-at-its-most-breathtaking-in-pictures The Hubble telescope was launched in April 1990. Ever since, it has been providing astronomers with breathtaking images of the cosmos View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/28/hubble-at-25-the-cosmos-at-its-most-breathtaking-in-pictures Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I think you and Barry have too much time on your hands, from what I skimmed below. TIme to write endlessly on the internet, (but not take a few minutes to meet a friend for coffee) I guess those flesh and blood interactions can be a bitch. (-: This is such a stupid and inappropriate comment, as we say here, a punch under the belt, that it really angers me. You have nothing to do with it, why do you interfere? You just take a friendly interaction and abuse it for your own vicious goals. Is that what you learn at the_peak? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your parents and grandparents birth details before they'd attempt a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Birdman director is TMer
The award winning David Lynch can't hold a candle to all your accomplishments. LoL! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So is David Lynch and who the hell wants to be anything like that freak? From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Birdman director is TMer yet another brilliant film director is a TMer ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Meditación Trascendental Perú | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Me... https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de Cine ganador del Oscar 2015 como mejor director por su película también ganadora como la ... View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I think you and Barry have too much time on your hands, from what I skimmed below. TIme to write endlessly on the internet, (but not take a few minutes to meet a friend for coffee) I guess those flesh and blood interactions can be a bitch. (-: This is such a stupid and inappropriate comment, as we say here, a punch under the belt, that it really angers me. You have nothing to do with it, why do you interfere? You just take a friendly interaction and abuse it for your own vicious goals. Is that what you learn at the_peak? So, this is what you guys do on Saturday night. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what I have used it for. Astrology can tell you a huge amount about who you are. The first reading I ever had was from an American astrologer named Howard Sasportas. He also happened to be a TM teacher. He was absolutely brilliant. I will always be grateful to him for the way he gave me an understanding of myself through astrology. (And as it happens, his predictions for the future were pretty spot on too.) So his predictions of the future were good but you don't think it gets high marks generally? I don't get it, it either is or it isn't good at something. How can it be good for you but not me? I'll tell you, I think it depends rather more on the intuition of the astrologer than it does on any planetary influence - not that there is any - It's just pot luck if something ties up. And it depends what it is, something that's quite likely to happen like getting a new job if you've been looking for one. Out of the blue stuff is impossible to predict but it doesn't stop the TMO claiming that it can. I remember they used to publish a list of predictions for the year but abandoned it after 9/11. I used to keep them and check them at the end of the year, I once asked a higher-up how come none of it ever came true and he claimed that our meditation affected world events through the unified field so it was bound to be inaccurate. I further pondered why they didn't just include the revised events as part of the original prediction but that met with a stony look. This is my point, if you accept it you tend not to ask too much of it - certainly not how it might work. If you want to get to the bottom of it you find it all unravels pretty quickly under scrutiny and that's before we get to the actual behaviour of bodies in the solar system and how our knowledge of what they are has changed over the years. I also remember the TMO changed the birthchart requirements for a while so you had to include both your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world
My gardener went back to his native Peru to get healthcare. He couldn't get it here even with a green card. Problem with a lot of these countries is oligarchs come in and take over with a bevy of lawyers at their shoulders creating a two-tier economic system: the rich and the poor. This is what happened to Mexico because US laws kept oligarchs from doing the same here so they went next door. Now they are gaming the system to do it to folks in the US. That's why we need to overthrow them even if it requires Civil War 2.0. On 02/28/2015 10:51 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A very simple search shows just how full of crap this envy of the world is. Peru is a country of abundant natural resources and rich culture. Despite this, over half of the population live in poverty. Social discrimination and inequality are widespread. More information on the key challenges for Peru are outlined below. The biggest problem for travellers in Peru is, without a doubt, thieves, for which the country has one of the worst reputations in South America In recent years, public protests against large-scale mining projects, as well as other government policies and private sector initiatives, have led to numerous confrontations between police and protesters, and resulted in the shooting deaths of civilians by state security forces Face it Sri - the TM Movement is a huckster organization that can't save its own ass much less the rest of the world. *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:28 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world Barack Obama: Avance económico del Perú es envidia del mundo http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 image http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 Barack Obama: Avance económico del Perú es env... http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 El presidente de los Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, se reunió hoy con el nuevo embajador peruano en Washington y ex ministro de Econom... View on elcomercio.pe http://elcomercio.pe/economia/peru/obama-avance-economico-peru-envidia-mundo-noticia-1793694 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
So, this is what you guys do on Saturday night. Go figure. You are just jealous because you can't even make it ouside of the US anymore, go figure. You are even afraid to go to India and visit any of the holy places you always dreamed of seeing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Cheers for the nice photo's. Interesting to see how in yer face they are with the deities these days. We used to hide them when newbies or non-meditators were about. It looks like they are happy to embrace their inner Hindoo. So, you lived in a TM Center for 15 years, until you got kicked out for non-payment of rent. yet you still get down on your hands and knees twice a day to pray to the Hindoo gods, but you used to hide them from newbies, and now you inner embrace them. Did I get that right? That's quite a construction plan as well, be interesting to see how much of it they get built. All they need is the money I suspect ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe this is why things get so screwed up?
Yes, there are *many* bad astrologers. I read an article a couple years about by an astrologer who asserted that many beginning astrologers are sometimes better at interpretations than experienced astrologers. Why? Because astrologer because tangled up in the rules.. Beginners tend to use their intuition as they don't know the rules yet. But doing astrology mechanically by the rules would be as bad as writing a piece of music based entirely on the rules of music theory and composition. Those rules are tools and meant to help you out of a bind when writing a tune. Likewise astrology is a form of divination like palmistry. We don't know how it works but it does work in the hands of someone with intuition and the ability to divine meaning out of abstraction. In our computer age it is now possible to examine recurring patterns that took place over centuries. One recurring pattern that is being studied shows an 80 year recurring cycle that expresses itself through our global politics. Think what was taking place 80 years ago and compare it with now. This cycle has been shown to go back about 900 years. Predictive astrology is a primitive method of mapping these cycles. In general it is a weather report that provides the propensity for events happening. I know Chakrapani and he's also looked at my horoscope in one of his group sessions. Blurted out that I should have been a doctor because of the presence of Jupiter in my first house. Interesting because I have no problem understanding medical and biochemical principles but if I had chosen that field I would have gone the research rather than clinical route. But I have a strong third house ruled by Jupiter which drove me into the arts. I even regard computer programming as an artform and not a science. The discussion here is hilarious as we have a bunch of blind men commenting on the elephant called astrology. :-D On 02/28/2015 05:54 AM, feste37 wrote: That's interesting. I have never consulted one of the MMY-approved jyotishees, and from what I have heard they are not that great. I'm sorry that they didn't do a good job for you. I can assure you that the readings I am referring to did not fit your description of feeble character analysis. They were detailed and accurate and very useful. I recommend Chakrapani in LA as one of them. At one point he said something to me that was dead-on accurate and I said I didn't think anyone else knew that about me! He just laughed. I wonder if the MMY jyotishees are kind of mass produced, so to speak, not people for whom the study of astrology is a lifetime's calling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In my experience over the past 35 years, and I have said so on this board more than once, astrology is the best tool for self-understanding that there is—at least, the best I have found. I'm sorry for these scientific types whose minds are so closed. I wonder whether any of them have ever had their natal chart done by a competent astrologer. Well I have. From Marshy's favourite jyotishee apparently. It was rubbish. But then you might say he just wasn't a very competent astrologer. The funny thing was everyone on the course I was attending thought he was great until I started pointing out the obvious shortcomings in what he was telling people. Most of them were being told the same thing and it was all so India-centric, with advice to get jobs as ticket-wallas and such like, that it was embarrassing. But not to the devotees until I opened my mouth, they thought it was great. I wonder what you would have said about his skills? I only went along for the reading because my girlfriend wanted a compatibility chart done. He said we were perfect except for occasional disagreements (wow) and should take care communicating. He told her she would take a journey up a great river and write a book about science. She didn't on both counts. He told me I'd be very wealthy in middle age. Not so far but I don't give much of a toss anyway. I'll let you know if it comes to pass. The rest of it was feeble character analysis such as you would get in any 5 cent gipsy tent at the local fair You are kind but like to say what you think etc... See Rorshach for further details. The only time astrology interests me is when they make claims about these periods in life that we supposedly go through. Things people in the TMO say like I'm in gurmuntha and so can't be expected to be successful just now this is all checkable and I was disappointed that it didn't match up. It seems more likely that we just cherry pick things from life to say that we agree with the planetary diagnosis and if it doesn't work we can blame our karma. I've heard it all. I would doubt it. Astrology does not get such high marks from me for predicting the future, but that's not what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world
A very simple search shows just how full of crap this envy of the world is.
Peru is a country of abundant natural resources and rich culture. Despite
this, over half of the population live in poverty. Social discrimination and
inequality are widespread. More information on the key challenges for Peru are
outlined below.
The biggest problem for travellers in Peru is, without a doubt, thieves, for
which the country has one of the worst reputations in South America
In recent years, public protests against large-scale mining projects, as well
as other government policies and private sector initiatives, have led to
numerous confrontations between police and protesters, and resulted in the
shooting deaths of civilians by state security forces
Face it Sri - the TM Movement is a huckster organization that can't save its
own ass much less the rest of the world.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Peru envy of the world
Barack Obama: Avance económico del Perú es envidia del mundo
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great writeup. Thanks. I doubt that I'd be able to get in to the Vlodrop buildings if I went; it's just been too many years since I left the TMO for it to have any easy way of figuring out who I was and that I actually went to TTC in 1972 and took my Sidhis course in 1977. Besides, I don't have a beige suit, so they probably wouldn't let me in for that reason. :-) Why not just wear the dress you paid $500 for that used to belong to the 6th Dalai Lama of Tibet? Just tell the security guard that you are Uncle Tantra and that you've come to write a report for Yahoo FFL or TM-Free. It's not complicated. Sorry I couldn't get away for coffee when you were nearby. Big work deadline that I just barely managed to meet. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Recently in Vlodrop Two weeks ago I visited Holland, for the first time since more than 25 years, when I had left Vlodrop, walking over to the small station on the German site, with my small suitcases. I never had a pull to go back, considering it as something of the past, in which I had more of a peripheral interest. Now, having things to do in Holland, I thought, why not just pass it by, it was sort of on the way. I didn't expect much, just a small stop over, maybe seeing some buildings from the fence. When I arrived, security at the main gate, I pulled out my Android to take a few shots, the building I had once lived in was basically a ruin by now, and was in the process of being finally broken down, it didn't look pretty for sure. I later learned, that they now have an official permission to demolish it. The new building of Maharsihi could be seen to the right site, but not very visible, unless I would enter, but there was the security man. But I was lucky, an old friend appeared, I could recognize him from some of the more recent webpages and from facebook. I called his name, and he too recognized me, gave me a hearty hug and welcome. He looked good. He started guiding me inside and gave me some explanations, and even finally led me into Maharishis house, which I had seen only on websites so far, showed me the ground floor. The building isn't very wide actually, much smaller than many movement buildings I had been too. It was a nice sunny day, though cold. The center part of it has been gilded in the mean time. My friend showed me then around to see all the newly constructed buildings and forrest shrines to different deities, explaining me the vastu of it all. etc. Than it was time to go, I still had to travel about two hours to a place near The Hague, probably not to far from the place Barry is staying. I must say, that I really like Holland, it's a very clean modern and open country, lot's of bicylces everywhere, very interesting constructions, some like the one Barry is driving with Maya. Anyway, the meeting I attended to went very well, and it was a great trip.
[FairfieldLife] An Indian yoga teacher = another sleazeball
Anyone surprised? http://tinyurl.com/mt56nu3 http://tinyurl.com/mt56nu3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can God lie?
Of course god exists. Turky assertion is mere b.s. He says he is Buddhist yet Buddhists admit that many gods actually exist. Turky is a make-it-up Buddhist who portrays himself according to how he thinks he will be perceived. The initial question is Does god lie?. The answer is straightforward and is answered in the Old Testament: · Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1kg/22.html#23 · Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2chr/18.html#22 · Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jer/4.html#10 · Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7 · And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 · For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. SAB, 2 Thessalonians 2 The name of this deity is yhvh and it is this deity that ordered the Jews to commit genocide against numerous populations. Allah (al ilāh, literally the god) is just the Arabic title for this Semitic tyrant deity. Joshua 8:24 - City of Ai Joshua 10:26 - Joshua murdered five defenseless kings of the Amorites in cold blood. Joshua 10:28 - City of Makkedah Joshua 10:29 - City of Libnah Joshua 10:31 - City of Lachish Joshua 10:33 - City of Gezer ...Joshua smote him and his people until he had left him none remaining. Joshua 10:34 - City of Elgon They left none remaining. Joshua 10:37 - City of Hebron Joshua 10:38 - City of Debir Numbers 21:2-3 - City of Hormah Numbers 21:33-35: Land of Bashan ...they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Deuteronomy 2:21-24: The Ammonite, Horim, and Avim people. Deuteronomy 2:26-35 - Land of Heshbon ...we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Judges 4:16 - City of Sisera However, the cause-effect nature of karma means that action-reaction operates throughout the cosmos, whether gross, subtle or causal. This completely explains why this Semitic “deity” is not actually a god but rather a daimon – in this case a Semite tribal spirit who was a merciless ruler over his group and a vicious murderer of anyone opposing them. This completely explains why this Semitic daimon was forced by the karma of his genocides to be reborn as a human, to be brutally punished and then killed on a cross for all the suffering he deliberately caused. Read and weep … at your ignorance in worshiping a demon daimon, Below is painting of Lamia, the Queen of Libya who became a daimon. If you want to worship a daimon, worship Lamia.
[FairfieldLife] Memristor
This is the component that could revolutionize computers. Hewlette Packard plans to build a new computer based on this new technology by 2020. So long, transistor: How the 'memristor' could revolutionize electronics - CNN.com http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/tech/mci-eth-memristor/index.html?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_technology+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/tech/mci-eth-memristor/index.html?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_technology+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 So long, transistor: How the 'memristor' could r... http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/tech/mci-eth-memristor/index.html?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_technology+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 A new type of electrical component called memristor could mean the end of electronics as we know it and the beginning of a new era called ionicsq... View on www.cnn.com http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/tech/mci-eth-memristor/index.html?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_technology+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Islam and AUM
Thanks for that. Of course, AUM also has a link with AMEN in Christianity - and perhaps with AMON (also spelled Amun, Amen) the chief deity in Ancient Egyptian religion. I've copied below a segment of the piece you linked to as it might intrigue others: In the very beginning of your Koran, at the top, are three letters, alif (A), lam (L) and mim (M). Can any of you or any learned Mulawi of Islam explain what these three letters mean?' The Moslems replied that this was a secret which Allah had kept to himself. Swami Rama laughed heartily at this remark and said: ‘When God has revealed the entire Koran for the benefit of mankind, as the Muslims claim, it is very strange that he has kept its very heading a secret. No. It is not so. If you, the Muslims who put full faith in the Koran do not know the secret of the letters A, L, M, Rama will tell you what they signify. Alif, Lam and Mim are nothing but alif (A), wao (O) and mim (M), that is, AOM or OM.' The Muslims objected that the letter L is not the same as the letter O, but Swami Rama pointed out to them that in Arabic grammar L is pronounced O when it falls between a vowel and a consonant, as in the names Shamsuddin, which is written Shamsaldin, or Nizamuddin, which is written Nizamaldin. The letter lam (L) becomes silent and gives the sound of the Arabic letter pesh (O or U). Therefore ALM is no secret; it is clearly and unambiguously OM and nothing but OM. It is Kufra, heretical or a sin, to blame God for keeping it a secret. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Islam and OM (AUM) the Creative Sound Of God http://www.ttonline.org/forum/threads/7965-Islam-and-OM-%28AUM%29-the-Creative-Sound-Of-God Islam and OM (AUM) the Creative Sound Of God http://www.ttonline.org/forum/threads/7965-Islam-and-OM-%28AUM%29-the-Creative-Sound-Of-God TTonline - Trinidad Tobago Online Community View on www.ttonline.org http://www.ttonline.org/forum/threads/7965-Islam-and-OM-%28AUM%29-the-Creative-Sound-Of-God Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang Deflated?
We don't know yet if this is the real deal. I'm sure there will be other scientists who will examine the group's findings. But proving it's true could take a lifetime. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The Big Bang never happened. They propose that the universe may be infinite. So the Hindus were correct and 20th-century cosmologists have been wrong. Funny old world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A group of scientists is now saying that the Big Bang never happened. They propose that the universe may be infinite. But, at this time, it's only a theory and would be competing with the other theories like the Big Bump or M Theory. Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html A new way to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity could imply that the age of the universe is infinite, and that there was no true Big ... View on www.space.com http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recently in Vlodrop
Great pictures and would love to see more. Question: how did Vlodrop come about as an important facility to the movement? Was it cheap real estate, a friendly government or tax structure, no extradition, high level of consciousness development? To me, an outsider, I never understood its attraction with Iowa and India having a great deal going on for the movement as well. Also, is this where all the real strings are pulled. That is to say, Bevan and Hagelin's managers are there calling the shots secretively behind the scenes internationally?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can God lie?
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 3:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can God lie? Of course godexists. Prove it. I'll wait. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birdman director is TMer
Yet another? The only way this would be an interesting bit of news is if their career had markedly improved after they had learned. And it isn't like like the ones that do meditate are the best in Hollywood, I think Clint Eastwood is the most overrated actor/director imaginable. I don't know how he gets away with it. I thought his last big movie I saw Billion Dollar Baby was a joke, just a string of very tired and manipulative cliches masquerading as a relatable drama. But it's his other movies that should worry the TMO, if they want to hold him up as a good example they should consider the amoral stories he likes to involve himself in. In his many movies he's been a rapist who wins women over with violence, a self-appointed executioner with no interest in justice but worst of all was his Mystic River which he directed. Am I alone in thinking the subtext of that movie was deeply sinister? The characters in that movie actually pin the blame for a vigilante murder on a friend of theirs who'd had a nervous breakdown because he was abused as a child, and that is apparently OK because he's already damaged and his life is crap. Talk about shit morals, I was actually shocked when I saw it. Is this some sort of frontier justice that Republican Americans relate to but anyone with a soul finds abhorent? If so, where is Clint's soul after all these years of meditating? Go ahead and make my day Clint. Stop making shit movies! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : yet another brilliant film director is a TMer ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Meditación Trascendental Perú | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de... - Me... https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 ALEJANDRO GONZALES IÑARTU, Director de Cine ganador del Oscar 2015 como mejor director por su película también ganadora como la ... View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/INSTITUTO.MAHARISHI.PERU/posts/10152873596466492 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang Deflated?
The Big Bang never happened. They propose that the universe may be infinite. So the Hindus were correct and 20th-century cosmologists have been wrong. Funny old world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A group of scientists is now saying that the Big Bang never happened. They propose that the universe may be infinite. But, at this time, it's only a theory and would be competing with the other theories like the Big Bump or M Theory. Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html A new way to reconcile quantum mechanics and general relativity could imply that the age of the universe is infinite, and that there was no true Big ... View on www.space.com http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Indian yoga teacher = another sleazeball
If the accusations are true, I hope the court finds him guilty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone surprised? http://tinyurl.com/mt56nu3 http://tinyurl.com/mt56nu3
