Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I really like your description of The_Leak as an old folks home for the spiritually timid. That's it, in a nutshell. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take
Re: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
My first concert was seeing Ray Charles -- it was 1959 or so, and in the town
of his birth, Albany, Georgia. I was 13, and one of the only white faces in the
hall. Very memorable experience.
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
Ha! Got that beat. My first concert was non other than The Beatles. I
don't remember the year, must have been about '65 in the Houston Coliseum. They
did some songs from Help before the movie had been released.
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
The first rock concert I went to was to see Free when their hit All Right
Now topped the charts. So it is a sign of how long ago that was that I learn
that bassist Andy Fraser, who co-wrote Free's hit, has died in California aged
62. The musician died on Monday and he had been fighting cancer and Aids,
according to an official statement regarding his death. The song itself still
stands the test of time . . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydItRbb0b1E
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several
reasons.
First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who
has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy.
But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping
with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me
and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his
face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves,
and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his
betterness.
Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting
him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week,
I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts
directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
yep, its Dr. Dummy
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry,
Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am
*actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives,
ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-).
I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing,
fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The
flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker
reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young
baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and
Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-)
:-) :-)
All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional.
Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores
so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if
I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus
reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having
been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post
here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I
expected him to do. :-) :-) :-)
It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was
written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so
unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have
a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me
Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-)
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. :-) From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they aregiving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens ofthe larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have acouple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awardstonite. I should think that you are deservingtoo of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced stateof 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speakand write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets writtenon FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarseand malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target hereamidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of aMaharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate yourparticipation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I dofeel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that hasovertaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing youeven to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given youmuch more protection from it. But a recognition of your longercontribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Wow Barry this is impressive. What drama, intrigue, the brilliance of Barry Wright--the honest, moral upright citizen of the world. Assisting the CIA, Interpol and Yahoo in nabbing the International criminal, the master of Cyber Alias Obfuscation. Accused of illegal theft and transfer of millions of Yahoo aliases-- the notorious, dreaded Jim Flanegin, aka Jose Enlightened Dawn, of San Jose, California and kicking him out of FFL. Is there anything you can not do !?!?!?!?!? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak Since 18 March to now. FFL, 122 posts The Peak, 24 posts (figures are minus the skewing factor of Richard's irrelevance) LOL, spitting my wine out at the screen. :-) Non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 37 words
I posted this a while ago, but it still pertains. I don't think we can conflate Being with Awareness. Nisargadatta Maharaj: The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Soon he discovers that his own body he cannot be. Once the conviction: 'I am not the body' becomes so well grounded that he can no longer feel, think and act for and on behalf of the body, he will easily discover that he is the universal being, knowing, acting, that in him and through him the entire universe is real, conscious and active. This is the heart of the problem. Either you are body-conscious and a slave of circumstances, or you are the universal consciousness itself -- and in full control of every event. Yet consciousness, individual or universal, is not my true abode; I am not in it, it is not mine, there is no 'me' in it. I am beyond, though it is not easy to explain how one can be neither conscious, nor unconscious, but just beyond. I cannot say that I am in God or I am God; God is the universal light and love, the universal witness: I am beyond the universal even. Questioner: In that case you are without name and shape. What kind of being have you? M: I am what I am, neither with form nor formless, neither conscious nor unconscious. I am outside all these categories. Q: You are taking the neti-neti (not this, not this) approach. M: You cannot find me by mere denial. I am as well everything, as nothing. Nor both, nor either. These definitions apply to the Lord of the Universe, not to me. Q: Do you intend to convey that you are just nothing. M: Oh, no! I am complete and perfect. I am the beingness of being, the knowingness of knowing, the fullness of happiness. You cannot reduce me to emptiness!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
well, then your statement stands alone, and remains a mystery to me. to paraphrase: misrepresenting something about another person, intentionally, or unintentionally is a good way to find out what they are all about I can think of a number of ways to find out what makes a person tick without subjecting them to false accusations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond? I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess. Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being wronged, or hurt physically. Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that falls under the category of cruelty to animals I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL/The_Peak
So, it's all abut Richard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Since 18 March to now. FFL, 122 posts The Peak, 24 posts (figures are minus the skewing factor of Richard's irrelevance)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Gawd! Sometime you can't even get in a word edgewise with all these informants incessantly telling us about all their spiritual achievements and experiences; posting their pundit opinions. You can tell they've been thinking these things over in their meditations for a long period of time now. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Jesus fucking Christ almighty it's hard to post anything here without some sick fuck trying to make the posting out to be a proof of the poster's insanity, immorality, or low I.Q. You fucking former seekers who are doing this negativity shit in such a mindlessly knee jerk fashion should pause to look at what's lacking INSIDE that you have to so desperately project it outside. Once you were SEEKERS FOR TRUTH, LOVE, BEAUTY -- now you're seeking any little tiny piss-ant issue to gripe about as if Hitler had come back to life and was trying to convert you to evil. I don't assert that awareness is not consciousness -- I merely believe it's true -- NISARGADATTA DOES SUCHLY ASSERT, and I'm convinced. If you have a fucked up kink in your undies then, guess what? -- IT'S YOUR JOB TO READ NISARGADATTA and show where he's incorrect that awareness is not consciousness. If you think he's not saying this -- then I conclude: YOU HAVE NOT READ HIS WORKS. And to assert otherwise without showing quotes from him that would indicate where I have concluded wrongly, is just you being a COMPLETE ASSHOLE. An unwiped, dingle berried, diseased asshole. As fucking usual. Turq, you're shtick is so old -- how can you parade that vile personality around smugly still in public view? Metaphorically speaking, Turq, you're the GOP here finding fault with the black guy . just because. I may be illogical, even insane, but for you to use your brain to put me down instead of showing the world that your conclusions are based on harder facts -- shows that you're not here but to troll. Edification is never your goal. Coming to harmonious agreement -- never on your list. In short, you're a fuckwad and whoever jizzed you into a tissue probably additionally missed the basket as he threw you away. And, a, I just did another fine piece of writing! This is my profit here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 37 words Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness. Edg, with all due respect, where the fuck is your head? When I read this quote, the first thing I thought was, Hey, that was pretty cool...I have no problems with that interpretation of experience. I can get down with that. And then I moved one line lower on the screen and read your synopsis of this statement. What a shock. In N-baby's original statement, there were no nots and no negativity. In your interpretation, there were. Kinda says it all, tragedy-of-knowledge-wise.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Actually Barry, it's because you are fascinating in your own sort of way. Just as you can't stop posting about what you see as the cult mentality, I am sort of fascinated by the mechanics of how one can start off as a seeker, and end up a complete narcissist obsessed with an organization he last had contact with 40 years ago. Not complicated, really. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Jesus Christ, I finally got what I wanted, a comprehensive explanation. Thank you for that! I am going to stop right now, as I have to finish some work stuff, and let this percolate a little. I appreciate you taking the time to flesh this out a bit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No, enlightenment is basically a mind thing for, presumably, if your head could be kept alive artificially and the body removed, you could still get enlightened because it is a shift in the perception and understanding of the world. Torturing people physically to change their minds, or just because you do not like them, or have been programmed to not like them (same thing), does nothing in this direction. Because enlightenment presumably improves the quality of experience, it is a mental thing. And because enlightenment supposedly increases strength of mind, better understanding etc., due to reducing or eliminating mechanical, conditioned responses to what life throws at us, it is a different situation. A physical challenge can fell even a very strong physically fit person. The ability to deal with a mental challenge is a different animal, a physically weak person might have a superior intellect and repel a challenge with ease, while a strong, physically fit person might be mentally challenged in this regard. Once you have adopted a 'path of enlightenment', you are on the road of de-conditioning those mechanical responses, on the road to a new understanding of life and what it challenges you with. It is not an escape from this, though people often use the spiritual persona as an escape. To newbies, a spiritual master seems in some undefined way invulnerable, and this is attractive, incites the desire to be invulnerable, even though we do not at that time know what this really entails. Once immersed in this sort of world view, it is shall we say, unbecoming to be a complainer about what other people do. So if you want to expound the alleged virtues of enlightenment you have to in some way live those values and be able to explain their relationship to life. You cannot be affronted by how other people challenge you because you consider what you are doing is 'holy'. Being 'holy' is a defensive screen, a religious meme designed to ward off attacks on weak arguments about the nature of reality. Enlightenment is about nothing; there is no argument that can demonstrate it is real, you have to find out for yourself. Now if you experience it yourself and want to talk about it to others, you have to have a certain kind of psychological strength, a sort of non-reactive strength that can brush aside others' coarseness, or even subtle challenges without dismissing them. You cannot be some milquetoast pushover. It does not necessarily mean you will have a pleasant personality. There are stories of very gruff Zen masters for example. The first things that got me to experience 'spiritual' experiences like deep silence was not meditation but an all-out assault on my beliefs. One does not usually know how deeply unsubstantiated beliefs lie at the basis of one's world view, how deeply one is conditioned. The problem I find with the TM movement is it does not make this explicit, it relies on reconditioning you to a new set of ideas without at the same time informing you that these new ideas need to be undermined just as much as the ones you are currently stuck with. The stuff on a spiritual path is a means to an end, it is not the end in itself, it has to be let go at some point. If it is not let go, it becomes a religion, which even M said was the result of loss of knowledge. Ironic that the TM movement is steadily moving in the direction of a religion. I am not sure M ever intended it not to be, but he did say things in the earlier years that were more in line with some other traditions, like Zen, where there is a concerted effort to get a student beyond their verbal belief system. Because of these reasons, being challenged mentally on what you feel is 'reality' I would consider an
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Single, yes. Live in a two bedroom house. Never been in the hills except to
visit. I aspire to one day be as good a writer as the Turquoise Bee. He is to
FFL as Socrates was to Athenian society.
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
This is not a joke MJ.
Barry is hope for many, the losers of the world. People who don't have a
successful career, people who haven't ever had a healthy relationship, people
who live on the charity of others; they need not be in despair, they need not
lose hope.
They can look at Barry, and make something out of their cocooned, helpless
lives. They can create fantastical tales, an online personas like a cult
slayer, a successful IT professional, a movie reviewer and such, and, become a
star of some Yahoo group just like Barry has.
You of all people MJ, unbelievable; a single, southern trailer trash hilly
billy, fixing computers for a living. Barry should be your hero, your idol, you
should look up to Barry, venerate, worship him. Oh wait, never mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
yep, its Dr. Dummy
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry,
Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am
*actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives,
ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-).
I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing,
fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The
flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker
reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young
baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and
Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-)
:-) :-)
All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional.
Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores
so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if
I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus
reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having
been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post
here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I
expected him to do. :-) :-) :-)
It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was
written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so
unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have
a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me
Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-)
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Wow. Marshy awards. To be given an award in the name of a fraud and huckster. What an honor. Are you getting any Marshy awards for your dedication to the group Program? and your years of service in the FF community? Or are you still waiting to see if they'll let you back in the Golden Dome of Pure Hypocrisy? Jai Guru Cult Mania. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they aregiving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens ofthe larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have acouple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awardstonite. I should think that you are deservingtoo of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced stateof 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speakand write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets writtenon FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarseand malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target hereamidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of aMaharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate yourparticipation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I dofeel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that hasovertaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing youeven to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given youmuch more protection from it. But a recognition of your longercontribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent
Re: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
I can't remember mine. The first I remember was one of those all day affairs
where band after band played in an outdoor venue. Leon Russel as the headliner,
tho the real gem was Goose Creek Symphony. By the time Russel and his band took
stage, he was so drunk and doped up he couldn't remember the lyrics to any of
his songs and said to right on stage. Everyone in the audience was right
there with him in the same shape so no one minded much.
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
The first rock concert I went to was to see Free when their hit All Right
Now topped the charts. So it is a sign of how long ago that was that I learn
that bassist Andy Fraser, who co-wrote Free's hit, has died in California aged
62. The musician died on Monday and he had been fighting cancer and Aids,
according to an official statement regarding his death. The song itself still
stands the test of time . . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydItRbb0b1E
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Goddammit Barry, haven't you already gotten Jim Flanegin aka Jose Enlightened Dawn kicked out of FFL? Now you are telling me that crook is still around and has hacked in to my account? This is confusing Barry, please help; I need some of that magnanimity of yours as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Thanks, Buck. Just doing what comes naturally and Jai Guru Dev to you too! Yep, this world is only going to change if we change it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The endless war.
Quite. I do like a good cartoon, you can say so much with that single panel format. I used to cut them out of papers and put them in a scrap book, I had hundreds but got out of the habit sadly and I don't know where they are all stored. I think there should be a cartoon museum in London. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 'What's this about my wealth trickling down to poor people?'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
oh, that I had the time to do a search combining turquoiseb with the phrase, cult, or cult apologist. tens of thousands hits by now? maybe, I don't even want to know. it's rather sad to see this level of obsession. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I recall you saying, that your main activity with Maya was watching movies on Saturday mornings. That, of course, does not surprise me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. Good questions all. I would say that, primarily because she has just turned six, my influence on Maya is as variable as her mood. One minute I'm the person she loves the most in the world, and the next I have to tell her to log off and Save and pry herself away from her Minecraft games and go to school and I'm the worst person who has ever lived and she'll never love me again. :-) Yes, I am having fun. Thank you so much for noticing. My life here in the Netherlands -- and especially the parts that have Maya in them -- are pretty much a non-stop source of mirth. You are correct in that when she is really ON, we talk as two adults. Give it ten minutes, and she's a little girl trying to get her own way again and I'm the person standing in her way and sparks fly and I'm the distant and You'll never understand me adult. And she's six. Just imagine what I have to look forward to when she's sixteen. :-) At six, Maya is in her second year of school here in the Netherlands. Although she has occasional socialization issues (she likes to get her way, which her teachers sometimes interpret as bossiness), all of said teachers are in awe of her ability to speak, read, and write English, Dutch, and smatterings of both Spanish and French. Her major passion these days is a computer game called Minecraft, in which she constructs whole *cities* filled with castles she designed and built herself. At six, she can read, type, knit, cook, ride a bicycle, and wrap her Uncle Barry around her finger more easily than he'd like to admit. She rocks. If I have any lingering influence on her as an adult, my greatest hope is that it will be that she'll remember me the same way she describes me now -- Uncle Silly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad eclipse karma... [1 Attachment]
Based on my simulation program, it does not appear the eclipse will be total even in Northern Scotland. As you mentioned last year the Faroe Islands seem to be the place to be for a total eclipse. It is partial in Iceland and Norway, where a thin crescent of the Sun will still show, and everywhere else except those islands, or on a ship at sea. This is better than the partial eclipse I saw at MIU some years ago. I was one of the few who saw it, as the others cowered in buildings. Such is the superstition from India. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma... I bet it ruined his holiday. I wish I'd booked a weekend break in Scotland for it, last one I saw was from the roof of the TM academy and no one else was interested due to bad influences - standing in a shadow is bad? I asked. If you've never had the pleasure it's a really spooky experience. The light disappears but not like it does when the sun goes down, it's more like the colour is being sucked out of the world and all the birds stop singing, and then it gets cold. As it approaches totality you can see the shadow of the moon rushing towards you in a straight line, that's when I glanced up and got an idea of the moon as a lump of rock, not an intellectual understanding but actually like there's a vast ball of heaviness flying about over your head. Far out. It's a welcome glimpse at the proper perspective of where we are and what's going on that you don't get from just standing on the Earth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 37 words
Nisargadatta Maharaj: The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Soon he discovers that his own body he cannot be. Once the conviction: 'I am not the body' becomes so well grounded that he can no longer feel, think and act for and on behalf of the body, he will easily discover that he is the universal being, knowing, acting, that in him and through him the entire universe is real, conscious and active. This is the heart of the problem. Either you are body-conscious and a slave of circumstances, or you are the universal consciousness itself -- and in full control of every event. Yet consciousness, individual or universal, is not my true abode; I am not in it, it is not mine, there is no 'me' in it. I am beyond, though it is not easy to explain how one can be neither conscious, nor unconscious, but just beyond. I cannot say that I am in God or I am God; God is the universal light and love, the universal witness: I am beyond the universal even. Questioner: In that case you are without name and shape. What kind of being have you? M: I am what I am, neither with form nor formless, neither conscious nor unconscious. I am outside all these categories. Q: You are taking the neti-neti (not this, not this) approach. M: You cannot find me by mere denial. I am as well everything, as nothing. Nor both, nor either. These definitions apply to the Lord of the Universe, not to me. Q: Do you intend to convey that you are just nothing. M: Oh, no! I am complete and perfect. I am the beingness of being, the knowingness of knowing, the fullness of happiness. You cannot reduce me to emptiness!
[FairfieldLife] Curtis gets gassed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAwPHqKkfaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAwPHqKkfaA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
Ummm. Spring Time for Hitler and Germany. What wonderful memories.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Lucky he didn't get eaten alive. That's demonstrated in the first few minutes
of the seriesFortitude and why people around the arctic carry rifles and
tryto stay aware from polar bears.
I bet it ruined his holiday. I wish I'd booked a weekend break in Scotland for
it, last one I saw was from the roof of the TM academy and no one else was
interested due to bad influences - standing in a shadow is bad? I asked.
If you've never had the pleasure it's a really spooky experience. The light
disappears but not like it does when the sun goes down, it's more like the
colour is being sucked out of the world and all the birds stop singing, and
then it gets cold.
As it approaches totality you can see the shadow of the moon rushing towards
you in a straight line, that's when I glanced up and got an idea of the moon as
a lump of rock, not an intellectual understanding but actually like there's a
vast ball of heaviness flying about over your head. Far out.
It's a welcome glimpse at the proper perspective of where we are and what's
going on that you don't get from just standing on the Earth.
Let's hope the elite who run the world and are quite a bitsuperstitious don't
elect to start a war tomorrow. They usuallyfavor March for such their
particular form of madness.
Yep, spring time is war time..
On 03/19/2015 12:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
There's somedangerous influences coming from the heavens for NorthEuropeans
tomorrow.
This poor guy didn'tlisten to the sages of old and look what happened. Takeheed
of the omens.
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[FairfieldLife] At great place to retire?
Earth to Burmese authoritarian dummies: lighten up, kick back, stop being control freaks and enjoy the flow of income from retirees moving here from around the world. It's a dream city with fast wifi even. http://gu.com/p/46hpk/sbl -- Burma Shave
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
The phrase, by the way, was Solve the age old problems of mankind, in this generation Yes, it's advertising, and I don't really know of anyone who really figured it could really transpire, but it was a slogan to motivate the troops. And I was one who bought into it, and it did have a transforming effect on me. On the other hand, I was always a bit of an idealist. We evidently have different results from the practice. I made my statements of more balanced activity from my own experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
[FairfieldLife] The world in statistics...
I love looking at this every now and again and watching how the fast the planet is filling up. 160,300 extra mouths to feed so far today! World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worl... http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 7 billion. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and ... View on www.worldometers.info http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
I saw 2001 in 1968 in San Francisco. I rather liked the film because it was
largely visual. Kubrick was deliberately cool, showing how the human race,
after a vigorous beginning, had all of its fervour sapped by its own
technology, it had become jaded. One reviewer at that time said the film was
about the evolution of man from ape to angel. The original premier was some 20
to 30 minutes longer I hear, but the New York critics, always generally
unfavourable to the creative enterprise, panned it. So Kubrick cut the film
more tightly, and even then it was a long, silent film without much explanation
for American audiences who tend to scientific illiteracy. I think the film was
intended to inspire a certain wonder in the cosmos, and was a celebration of
intelligence in the universe. I saw the film, again in 70mm, in New York City
in 2001
Roger Ebert's review:
2001: A Space Odyssey Movie Review (1968) | Roger Ebert
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From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Cinerama is Seattle. The print may have been
70mm not the three strip Cinerama. But I'm not a big fan of the film as it
seemed a bit stiff and cold.
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[FairfieldLife] 37 words
Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. Good questions all. I would say that, primarily because she has just turned six, my influence on Maya is as variable as her mood. One minute I'm the person she loves the most in the world, and the next I have to tell her to log off and Save and pry herself away from her Minecraft games and go to school and I'm the worst person who has ever lived and she'll never love me again. :-) Yes, I am having fun. Thank you so much for noticing. My life here in the Netherlands -- and especially the parts that have Maya in them -- are pretty much a non-stop source of mirth. You are correct in that when she is really ON, we talk as two adults. Give it ten minutes, and she's a little girl trying to get her own way again and I'm the person standing in her way and sparks fly and I'm the distant and You'll never understand me adult. And she's six. Just imagine what I have to look forward to when she's sixteen. :-) At six, Maya is in her second year of school here in the Netherlands. Although she has occasional socialization issues (she likes to get her way, which her teachers sometimes interpret as bossiness), all of said teachers are in awe of her ability to speak, read, and write English, Dutch, and smatterings of both Spanish and French. Her major passion these days is a computer game called Minecraft, in which she constructs whole *cities* filled with castles she designed and built herself. At six, she can read, type, knit, cook, ride a bicycle, and wrap her Uncle Barry around her finger more easily than he'd like to admit. She rocks. If I have any lingering influence on her as an adult, my greatest hope is that it will be that she'll remember me the same way she describes me now -- Uncle Silly.
[FairfieldLife] Curiosity Finds Organic Molecules on Mars
This may be the proof for biological life in the planet. Leak in Mars Rover Curiosity's Wet Chemistry Test Finds Organics http://www.space.com/28869-curiosity-rover-mars-wet-chemistry-organics.html http://www.space.com/28869-curiosity-rover-mars-wet-chemistry-organics.html Leak in Mars Rover Curiosity's Wet Chemistry Test Fi... http://www.space.com/28869-curiosity-rover-mars-wet-chemistry-organics.html An unexpected leak of a chemical designed to tag complex organic molecules in samples collected by NASA’s Mars rover Curiosity appears to have s... View on www.space.com http://www.space.com/28869-curiosity-rover-mars-wet-chemistry-organics.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Why are you guys discussing -- and Edg melting down over -- such petty
differences?
In N's original statement, there are no elements of good/better, better/best or
any of that shit. He spoke about three *equivalences* -- the world as it
appears as seen through the mind, the world as seen from beyond the mind, and
the world beyond even witnessing.
There is NO hierarchy of experience expressed in this quote.
You guys are inventing it and arguing about it. N was hip enough to realize
that all three levels of experience are on exactly the same level.
IMO, of course.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up
on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can
you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of
semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being
theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and
is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness
would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta.
On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific,
technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness.
Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the
same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like
that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read
Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context.
You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without
awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being.
Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman,
this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this
way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is
getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience
to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think
about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed
to clarify the intellect during enquiry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious
there is nothing to be aware of.
On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see?
Nisargadatta: Itdepends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see
numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the
witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence.
Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks:
awareness is not consciousness.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
My head is on my shoulders. Your head's view may differ FROM INSIDE YOUR ASS. Why the fucking harsh tonality, Turq? Jesus fucking Christ almighty it's hard to post anything here without some sick fuck trying to make the posting out to be a proof of the poster's insanity, immorality, or low I.Q. You fucking former seekers who are doing this negativity shit in such a mindlessly knee jerk fashion should pause to look at what's lacking INSIDE that you have to so desperately project it outside. Once you were SEEKERS FOR TRUTH, LOVE, BEAUTY -- now you're seeking any little tiny piss-ant issue to gripe about as if Hitler had come back to life and was trying to convert you to evil. I don't assert that awareness is not consciousness -- I merely believe it's true -- NISARGADATTA DOES SUCHLY ASSERT, and I'm convinced. If you have a fucked up kink in your undies then, guess what? -- IT'S YOUR JOB TO READ NISARGADATTA and show where he's incorrect that awareness is not consciousness. If you think he's not saying this -- then I conclude: YOU HAVE NOT READ HIS WORKS. And to assert otherwise without showing quotes from him that would indicate where I have concluded wrongly, is just you being a COMPLETE ASSHOLE. An unwiped, dingle berried, diseased asshole. As fucking usual. Turq, you're shtick is so old -- how can you parade that vile personality around smugly still in public view? Metaphorically speaking, Turq, you're the GOP here finding fault with the black guy . just because. I may be illogical, even insane, but for you to use your brain to put me down instead of showing the world that your conclusions are based on harder facts -- shows that you're not here but to troll. Edification is never your goal. Coming to harmonious agreement -- never on your list. In short, you're a fuckwad and whoever jizzed you into a tissue probably additionally missed the basket as he threw you away. And, a, I just did another fine piece of writing! This is my profit here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 37 words Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness. Edg, with all due respect, where the fuck is your head? When I read this quote, the first thing I thought was, Hey, that was pretty cool...I have no problems with that interpretation of experience. I can get down with that. And then I moved one line lower on the screen and read your synopsis of this statement. What a shock. In N-baby's original statement, there were no nots and no negativity. In your interpretation, there were. Kinda says it all, tragedy-of-knowledge-wise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: *Q:* But when you look at yourself, what do you see? *Nisargadatta:* It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
Lucky he didn't get eaten alive. That's demonstrated in the first few minutes of the series Fortitude and why people around the arctic carry rifles and try to stay aware from polar bears. Let's hope the elite who run the world and are quite a bit superstitious don't elect to start a war tomorrow. They usually favor March for such their particular form of madness. On 03/19/2015 12:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote: There's some dangerous influences coming from the heavens for North Europeans tomorrow. This poor guy didn't listen to the sages of old and look what happened. Take heed of the omens. Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for solar eclipse http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html image http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for sol... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html A tourist camping on Svalbard to watch tomorrow’s solar eclipse has been mauled by a polar bear as he slept in his tent. View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Read what I wrote to Xeno. Ever consider that Nisargadatta may be WRONG? He was a simple man and maybe misused some words by conflating awareness with being. Tell us instead what you experience rather than being a spectator to some guru. On 03/19/2015 12:27 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Says you. Nisargadatta's words, if true, disagree with your opinion. He clearly indicates that he see three levels of identity and that consciousness is the least of the three. Consciousness cannot have a process it labels awareness, but awareness is never dependent upon consciousness. Awareness is prior to the emergence of consciousness. These are not EDG'S CONCLUSIONS...these are the statements of Advaita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: *Q:* But when you look at yourself, what do you see? *Nisargadatta:* It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever decreasing circles
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : In my local Starbucks this evening I asked one of the staff where one of the regular customers had gone. Peter - a Scot who was there almost every night - was always very boisterous and friendly so his absence was noticeable. I was expecting to be told that he had decided to move back to Edinburgh. Instead I learned that he'd killed himself by throwing himself in front of a train at Ealing Broadway station (right next door to the Starbucks). Naturally enough I was thunderstruck. You then start to think if you had been as welcoming to him as maybe you should have been. We all owe each other a certain acknowledgment and respect and I was thinking back to my own nodded greetings and occasional exchanges with Peter and judging that perhaps I'd fallen short of giving him his due. R.I.P. Sad story but don't feel bad, if he was generally friendly then a bit more human contact would be unlikely to have affected those deeply hidden demons. But I guess we always blame ourselves a bit when something like that happens to someone we know. The only person that really knows what's going on inside is the sufferer. And what can we do if they hide it well? Anyway, there was a staff member I'd noticed who always struck me as being a bright young chap. I thought that maybe he was one of those over-qualified graduates one reads about who are so desperate for work experience that cleaning up at a coffee shop has people queuing up around the block whenever a vacancy arises. Tonight I'd been sitting there reading Sam Harris's Waking Up (many thanks to those FFLifers who recommended the title - I'd probably not have bought it without your thumbs up). This staffer said to me that it seemed an interesting topic - Spirituality without Religion. What was it about? So I summed it up by saying that Sam Harris was hostile to religion - and I mean really hostile - but he approved of meditation and wanted to encourage its use while ditching all the metaphysical baggage. My staffer then responded by saying that he never read books. I tell you that his reply was more shocking to me than the news of Peter's suicide. It really hit me that someone who never reads books must have an overall view of life utterly remote from my own. How can an obviously bright and personable young man have gone through our educational system and ended up deciding that books have nothing worthwhile for him? Imagine what it must be like to have your worldview formed by television, the internet and your friends' chat. What a confined space you must live in. Maybe not, if he's on facebook then he probably gets a varied diet of poorly informed science, mystical dribblings and intense opinion. No worse than most religious people get and enough to know that there's a world outside of his immediate experience. No substitute of course... It'd be good if we got taught at school to evaluate things properly so at least we can assess likelihoods of other people's beliefs. I know someone who educates himself on world events via Youtube polemics. When you think about what sort of world he must live in it's scary because we take our personally trusted sources as given's. He believes that the world is run by giant lizards from outer space for crissakes. Apparently these alien lizards are in cahoots with the NSA and pay for their nefarious genetic human interbreeding programme by running the world drugs trade. It's a much more exciting world than mine, all I have to worry about is my savings being wiped out by inflation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond? I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess. Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being wronged, or hurt physically. Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that falls under the category of cruelty to animals I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Isn't this just like a paranoid cultist - say something they don't like or ask them a question they don't like and they ignore you and/or route your messages to their trash bin and then try to get the rest of the forum to shun you. Typical cultist behavior - the truth hurts I guess. Go figure. I've been sitting three feet in front of him and seen him go invisible, to the point where you could see stars through the outline of his body, and then no outline. I've seen him do the same trick from three feet up, leaving only a Cheshire Cat smile before it went pop! and disappeared, too. - TurquoiseB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
TM should solve all problems.
I am afraid to inform you that it does not.
which means that idiot Steve is admitting Marshy was a liar
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Just to follow up on this.
Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I
try to do once a day.
Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM
should solve all problems.
I am afraid to inform you that it does not.
I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The
objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is
the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact
I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear
experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was
looking for a compatible meditation method.
However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a
clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult
situations in a more balanced way.
I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not
for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one
to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is
some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are
all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is
putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for
those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations.
Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so.
Not necessary.
I'm here for ya.
As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there,
and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten.
You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to
about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%.
The trend does not look promising, IMO.
The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way,
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Actually, this is a fib - Judy never *claimed* to have won a religious debate with anyone, unless you consider Judy calling you a fibber is a win, when it is really just Judy stating a fact. You're the only cultist on this forum that cares much about DOJ. That's because you ARE the TMO cultist, Barry. You need to get some smarts, Barry - you're a prime example of why the TMO sucks. You need to face reality - you suck as a spiritual teacher. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Enjoy your coffee, xeno. yes, Barry does post other content, than the usual. on the other hand, I feel his positive contributions are overshadowed by that other, usual, content. I mean, Barry has stated on numerous occasions that what he likes to do, what he feels is his mission, is to push people's buttons, and lay open the cult mindset. he does that (or attempts to) on a daily basis, as indicated by the fact that he is generally the top ranked poster ranked by number of posts each week. all I do, (to a much lesser degree), is to say that I think he misrepresents others in this mission. now, it may be that you feel he hits his target accurately. okay, that is fine. I just happen to disagree, and I attempt to be accurate in things I post. you, or others may feel I am just a cult apologist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Barry is not the only person posting here. I think he provides consistent opposition to the true believer syndrome and its associated flaky thinking. There is a certain element of humour he provides, because true believers tend to have a distinct lack of humour when their beliefs are challenged. When criticising Barry, it is seldom mentioned that he does post about other things here as well. To pursue enlightenment, I think it helps if one has a certain appreciation of black humour toward dire situations and human behaviour in general. Now it is time for my morning coffee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry is not the only person posting here. I think he provides consistent opposition to the true believer syndrome and its associated flaky thinking. There is a certain element of humour he provides, because true believers tend to have a distinct lack of humour when their beliefs are challenged. When criticising Barry, it is seldom mentioned that he does post about other things here as well. To pursue enlightenment, I think it helps if one has a certain appreciation of black humour toward dire situations and human behaviour in general. Now it is time for my morning coffee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Michael, I'm wishing you the best. I hope that other pursuits may fill your day other than your obsession with TM. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. which means that idiot Steve is admitting Marshy was a liar From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No, enlightenment is basically a mind thing for, presumably, if your head could be kept alive artificially and the body removed, you could still get enlightened because it is a shift in the perception and understanding of the world. Torturing people physically to change their minds, or just because you do not like them, or have been programmed to not like them (same thing), does nothing in this direction. Because enlightenment presumably improves the quality of experience, it is a mental thing. And because enlightenment supposedly increases strength of mind, better understanding etc., due to reducing or eliminating mechanical, conditioned responses to what life throws at us, it is a different situation. A physical challenge can fell even a very strong physically fit person. The ability to deal with a mental challenge is a different animal, a physically weak person might have a superior intellect and repel a challenge with ease, while a strong, physically fit person might be mentally challenged in this regard. Once you have adopted a 'path of enlightenment', you are on the road of de-conditioning those mechanical responses, on the road to a new understanding of life and what it challenges you with. It is not an escape from this, though people often use the spiritual persona as an escape. To newbies, a spiritual master seems in some undefined way invulnerable, and this is attractive, incites the desire to be invulnerable, even though we do not at that time know what this really entails. Once immersed in this sort of world view, it is shall we say, unbecoming to be a complainer about what other people do. So if you want to expound the alleged virtues of enlightenment you have to in some way live those values and be able to explain their relationship to life. You cannot be affronted by how other people challenge you because you consider what you are doing is 'holy'. Being 'holy' is a defensive screen, a religious meme designed to ward off attacks on weak arguments about the nature of reality. Enlightenment is about nothing; there is no argument that can demonstrate it is real, you have to find out for yourself. Now if you experience it yourself and want to talk about it to others, you have to have a certain kind of psychological strength, a sort of non-reactive strength that can brush aside others' coarseness, or even subtle challenges without dismissing them. You cannot be some milquetoast pushover. It does not necessarily mean you will have a pleasant personality. There are stories of very gruff Zen masters for example. The first things that got me to experience 'spiritual' experiences like deep silence was not meditation but an all-out assault on my beliefs. One does not usually know how deeply unsubstantiated beliefs lie at the basis of one's world view, how deeply one is conditioned. The problem I find with the TM movement is it does not make this explicit, it relies on reconditioning you to a new set of ideas without at the same time informing you that these new ideas need to be undermined just as much as the ones you are currently stuck with. The stuff on a spiritual path is a means to an end, it is not the end in itself, it has to be let go at some point. If it is not let go, it becomes a religion, which even M said was the result of loss of knowledge. Ironic that the TM movement is steadily moving in the direction of a religion. I am not sure M ever intended it not to be, but he did say things in the earlier years that were more in line with some other traditions, like Zen, where there is a concerted effort to get a student beyond their verbal belief system. Because of these reasons, being challenged mentally on what you feel is 'reality' I would consider an essential element in freeing oneself from the tyranny of mental conditioning. Some conditioning is going to remain, but being 'sensitive' to taunts about your world view only shows that on the path of enlightenment, you are a failure. Some teachers have expressed this quality in interesting ways. The Catholic priest Anthony de Mello said 'enlightenment is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
[FairfieldLife] Modern life....
Hard to believe really, it sounds like an urban legend like catching an STD off a toilet seat. Are their that many coke heads out there? Contaminated banknotes caused bus driver to test positive for cocaine http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/19/contaminated-banknotes-caused-bus-driver-test-positive-cocaine http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/19/contaminated-banknotes-caused-bus-driver-test-positive-cocaine Contaminated banknotes caused bus driver to test pos... http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/19/contaminated-banknotes-caused-bus-driver-test-positive-cocaine Alan Bailes, who was fired by FirstGroup in Bristol after the false result, wins substantial compensation from employment tribunal View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/19/contaminated-banknotes-caused-bus-driver-test-positive-cocaine Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak
Since 18 March to now. FFL, 122 posts The Peak, 24 posts (figures are minus the skewing factor of Richard's irrelevance)
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: *Q:* But when you look at yourself, what do you see? *Nisargadatta:* It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 37 words Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness. Edg, with all due respect, where the fuck is your head? When I read this quote, the first thing I thought was, Hey, that was pretty cool...I have no problems with that interpretation of experience. I can get down with that. And then I moved one line lower on the screen and read your synopsis of this statement. What a shock. In N-baby's original statement, there were no nots and no negativity. In your interpretation, there were. Kinda says it all, tragedy-of-knowledge-wise.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL/The_Peak Since 18 March to now. FFL, 122 posts The Peak, 24 posts (figures are minus the skewing factor of Richard's irrelevance) LOL, spitting my wine out at the screen. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The world in statistics...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Didn't Utopia have a solution for this? :-D Yes indeed. If I remember correctly I probably won't need to keep checking the worldometer every month to see if it's been implemented. On 03/19/2015 10:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I love looking at this every now and again and watching how the fast the planet is filling up. 160,300 extra mouths to feed so far today! World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worl... How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 7 billion. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and ... View on www.worldometers.info Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
There's some dangerous influences coming from the heavens for North Europeans tomorrow. This poor guy didn't listen to the sages of old and look what happened. Take heed of the omens. Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for solar eclipse http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for sol... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html A tourist camping on Svalbard to watch tomorrow’s solar eclipse has been mauled by a polar bear as he slept in his tent. View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Says you. Nisargadatta's words, if true, disagree with your opinion. He clearly indicates that he see three levels of identity and that consciousness is the least of the three. Consciousness cannot have a process it labels awareness, but awareness is never dependent upon consciousness. Awareness is prior to the emergence of consciousness. These are not EDG'S CONCLUSIONS...these are the statements of Advaita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The world in statistics...
Didn't Utopia have a solution for this? :-D On 03/19/2015 10:12 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I love looking at this every now and again and watching how the fast the planet is filling up. 160,300 extra mouths to feed so far today! World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worldometers http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ image http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ World Population Clock: 7 Billion People (2015) - Worl... http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 7 billion. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and ... View on www.worldometers.info http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
For the record I was debating this: Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness. On 03/19/2015 01:01 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Why are you guys discussing -- and Edg melting down over -- such petty differences?/* */ /* */In N's original statement, there are no elements of good/better, better/best or any of that shit. He spoke about three *equivalences* -- the world as it appears as seen through the mind, the world as seen from beyond the mind, and the world beyond even witnessing. /* */ /* */There is NO hierarchy of experience expressed in this quote. /* */ /* */You guys are inventing it and arguing about it. N was hip enough to realize that all three levels of experience are on exactly the same level. /* */ /* */IMO, of course. /* *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: *Q:* But when you look at yourself, what do you see? *Nisargadatta:* It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
I would say awareness experiences what the nervous system is conscious of; you do not experience awareness, it 'gives' being to whatever is experienced. This is fine cut gobbledygook in the use of words. Awareness is not self-reflective, but allows self-reflectiveness to be experienced. The is no 'you' that experiences it. But there is a mind that ruminates on it, that awareness makes 'visible'. You could say it is the consciousness of consciousness. None of these words really hit the mark. Awareness is a poor choice of words, if you use those words in a different sense than Nisargadatta did, if you want to define them some other way. Now with TM, the words awareness and consciousness do not seem to be used in the same way that Nisargadatta did, they are used more loosely, often completely equivalent. Here is how a Vedantist uses the word awareness: '...enlightenment is not a transcendental state, a higher state, an altered state, the fourth state beyond waking, dream and deep sleep or any other kind of state. It is simple, unchanging awareness and cannot be directly experienced as an object as it is subtler than the mind, the instrument of experience.' and '...is neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor both. It is not an undifferentiated mass of consciousness . It neither knows nor does not know. It is invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own self.' When discussing meditation and related philosophical systems, one is really dealing with a technical language just like in science. Casually we use, say, the word 'energy' in certain ways such as 'the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity', but in science it means the 'ability to do work. Objects can have energy by virtue of their motion (kinetic energy), by virtue of their position (potential energy), or by virtue of their mass (E = mc²).' This latter is not what most people seem to mean when they say someone has a lot of energy. But different systems use language differently, so first you have to nail down as best as one can, just what in hell someone is trying to say, and that means getting a grasp of how they use those words. Unless those words can be reduced to experience, it will never be clear just what is going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
But you are discussing theory not experience. What if the theory doesn't match the experience? On 03/19/2015 01:38 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would say awareness experiences what the nervous system is conscious of; you do not experience awareness, it 'gives' being to whatever is experienced. This is fine cut gobbledygook in the use of words. Awareness is not self-reflective, but allows self-reflectiveness to be experienced. The is no 'you' that experiences it. But there is a mind that ruminates on it, that awareness makes 'visible'. You could say it is the consciousness of consciousness. None of these words really hit the mark. Awareness is a poor choice of words, if you use those words in a different sense than Nisargadatta did, if you want to define them some other way. Now with TM, the words awareness and consciousness do not seem to be used in the same way that Nisargadatta did, they are used more loosely, often completely equivalent. Here is how a Vedantist uses the word awareness: '...enlightenment is not a transcendental state, a higher state, an altered state, the fourth state beyond waking, dream and deep sleep or any other kind of state. It is simple, unchanging awareness and cannot be directly experienced as an object as it is subtler than the mind, the instrument of experience.' and '...is neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor both. It is not an undifferentiated mass of consciousness . It neither knows nor does not know. It is invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own self.' When discussing meditation and related philosophical systems, one is really dealing with a technical language just like in science. Casually we use, say, the word 'energy' in certain ways such as 'the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity', but in science it means the 'ability to do work. Objects can have energy by virtue of their motion (kinetic energy), by virtue of their position (potential energy), or by virtue of their mass (E = mc²).' This latter is not what most people seem to mean when they say someone has a lot of energy. But different systems use language differently, so first you have to nail down as best as one can, just what in hell someone is trying to say, and that means getting a grasp of how they use those words. Unless those words can be reduced to experience, it will never be clear just what is going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: *Q:* But when you look at yourself, what do you see? *Nisargadatta:* It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Lucky he didn't get eaten alive. That's demonstrated in the first few minutes of the series Fortitude and why people around the arctic carry rifles and try to stay aware from polar bears. I bet it ruined his holiday. I wish I'd booked a weekend break in Scotland for it, last one I saw was from the roof of the TM academy and no one else was interested due to bad influences - standing in a shadow is bad? I asked. If you've never had the pleasure it's a really spooky experience. The light disappears but not like it does when the sun goes down, it's more like the colour is being sucked out of the world and all the birds stop singing, and then it gets cold. As it approaches totality you can see the shadow of the moon rushing towards you in a straight line, that's when I glanced up and got an idea of the moon as a lump of rock, not an intellectual understanding but actually like there's a vast ball of heaviness flying about over your head. Far out. It's a welcome glimpse at the proper perspective of where we are and what's going on that you don't get from just standing on the Earth. Let's hope the elite who run the world and are quite a bit superstitious don't elect to start a war tomorrow. They usually favor March for such their particular form of madness. Yep, spring time is war time.. On 03/19/2015 12:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote: There's some dangerous influences coming from the heavens for North Europeans tomorrow. This poor guy didn't listen to the sages of old and look what happened. Take heed of the omens. Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for solar eclipse Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for sol... A tourist camping on Svalbard to watch tomorrow’s solar eclipse has been mauled by a polar bear as he slept in his tent. View on www.independent.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Yes, but they will stop talking if there isn't a verbal blur around the idea. I just like to muck around in it. Once it is clear, the hierarchy can be dismissed, and one can make a cup of coffee (which I just did, and which was better than the Dunkin Donuts coffee I had at a mall earlier today, but DD was cheaper than Starbucks), or look at the pretty girls (as I define them in my own mind). It's still really cold here, so walking in a mall is convenient way to get a little exercise. Edg does get hot under the collar doesn't he? This series of posts is really an example of how to make a spiritual movement. You gotta keep people thinking there is something more to this thing than there is, keep spinning the web of entrapment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Why are you guys discussing -- and Edg melting down over -- such petty differences? In N's original statement, there are no elements of good/better, better/best or any of that shit. He spoke about three *equivalences* -- the world as it appears as seen through the mind, the world as seen from beyond the mind, and the world beyond even witnessing. There is NO hierarchy of experience expressed in this quote. You guys are inventing it and arguing about it. N was hip enough to realize that all three levels of experience are on exactly the same level. IMO, of course. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious there is nothing to be aware of. On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see? Nisargadatta: It depends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence. Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks: awareness is not consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
Total eclipses that I've experience were more like a cloud obscuring the sun. Probably perplexing if there was not a cloud in the sky at some location and in ancient times. But after learning tantra I was supposed to spend the eclipse time meditating to increase shakti. Exceptions would be if it wasn't visible here which I believe is the case tomorrow. On 03/19/2015 01:42 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Lucky he didn't get eaten alive. That's demonstrated in the first few minutes of the series Fortitude and why people around the arctic carry rifles and try to stay aware from polar bears. I bet it ruined his holiday. I wish I'd booked a weekend break in Scotland for it, last one I saw was from the roof of the TM academy and no one else was interested due to bad influences - standing in a shadow is bad? I asked. If you've never had the pleasure it's a really spooky experience. The light disappears but not like it does when the sun goes down, it's more like the colour is being sucked out of the world and all the birds stop singing, and then it gets cold. As it approaches totality you can see the shadow of the moon rushing towards you in a straight line, that's when I glanced up and got an idea of the moon as a lump of rock, not an intellectual understanding but actually like there's a vast ball of heaviness flying about over your head. Far out. It's a welcome glimpse at the proper perspective of where we are and what's going on that you don't get from just standing on the Earth. Let's hope the elite who run the world and are quite a bit superstitious don't elect to start a war tomorrow. They usually favor March for such their particular form of madness. Yep, spring time is war time.. On 03/19/2015 12:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote: There's some dangerous influences coming from the heavens for North Europeans tomorrow. This poor guy didn't listen to the sages of old and look what happened. Take heed of the omens. Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for solar eclipse http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html image http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for sol... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html A tourist camping on Svalbard to watch tomorrow’s solar eclipse has been mauled by a polar bear as he slept in his tent. View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/solar-eclipse-tourist-attacked-by-polar-bear-while-camping-for-best-view-of-phenomenon-10120619.html Preview by Yahoo
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I thought I was talking about my experience. A theory will never match experience, a theory just makes a verbal or mathematical representation for the mind, it represents a step down from experience, sometimes a very big step down. It creates a way to express experience to another mind, like squeezing an elephant through a garden hose, and hoping something comes out the other end. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : But you are discussing theory not experience. What if the theory doesn't match the experience? On 03/19/2015 01:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would say awareness experiences what the nervous system is conscious of; you do not experience awareness, it 'gives' being to whatever is experienced. This is fine cut gobbledygook in the use of words. Awareness is not self-reflective, but allows self-reflectiveness to be experienced. The is no 'you' that experiences it. But there is a mind that ruminates on it, that awareness makes 'visible'. You could say it is the consciousness of consciousness. None of these words really hit the mark. Awareness is a poor choice of words, if you use those words in a different sense than Nisargadatta did, if you want to define them some other way. Now with TM, the words awareness and consciousness do not seem to be used in the same way that Nisargadatta did, they are used more loosely, often completely equivalent. Here is how a Vedantist uses the word awareness: '...enlightenment is not a transcendental state, a higher state, an altered state, the fourth state beyond waking, dream and deep sleep or any other kind of state. It is simple, unchanging awareness and cannot be directly experienced as an object as it is subtler than the mind, the instrument of experience.' and '...is neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor both. It is not an undifferentiated mass of consciousness . It neither knows nor does not know. It is invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own self.' When discussing meditation and related philosophical systems, one is really dealing with a technical language just like in science. Casually we use, say, the word 'energy' in certain ways such as 'the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity', but in science it means the 'ability to do work. Objects can have energy by virtue of their motion (kinetic energy), by virtue of their position (potential energy), or by virtue of their mass (E = mc²).' This latter is not what most people seem to mean when they say someone has a lot of energy. But different systems use language differently, so first you have to nail down as best as one can, just what in hell someone is trying to say, and that means getting a grasp of how they use those words. Unless those words can be reduced to experience, it will never be clear just what is going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed to clarify the intellect during enquiry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
You couched it like an academic theory not that it was your experience. On 03/19/2015 02:07 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I thought I was talking about my experience. A theory will never match experience, a theory just makes a verbal or mathematical representation for the mind, it represents a step down from experience, sometimes a very big step down. It creates a way to express experience to another mind, like squeezing an elephant through a garden hose, and hoping something comes out the other end. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : But you are discussing theory not experience. What if the theory doesn't match the experience? On 03/19/2015 01:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would say awareness experiences what the nervous system is conscious of; you do not experience awareness, it 'gives' being to whatever is experienced. This is fine cut gobbledygook in the use of words. Awareness is not self-reflective, but allows self-reflectiveness to be experienced. The is no 'you' that experiences it. But there is a mind that ruminates on it, that awareness makes 'visible'. You could say it is the consciousness of consciousness. None of these words really hit the mark. Awareness is a poor choice of words, if you use those words in a different sense than Nisargadatta did, if you want to define them some other way. Now with TM, the words awareness and consciousness do not seem to be used in the same way that Nisargadatta did, they are used more loosely, often completely equivalent. Here is how a Vedantist uses the word awareness: '...enlightenment is not a transcendental state, a higher state, an altered state, the fourth state beyond waking, dream and deep sleep or any other kind of state. It is simple, unchanging awareness and cannot be directly experienced as an object as it is subtler than the mind, the instrument of experience.' and '...is neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor both. It is not an undifferentiated mass of consciousness . It neither knows nor does not know. It is invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own self.' When discussing meditation and related philosophical systems, one is really dealing with a technical language just like in science. Casually we use, say, the word 'energy' in certain ways such as 'the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity', but in science it means the 'ability to do work. Objects can have energy by virtue of their motion (kinetic energy), by virtue of their position (potential energy), or by virtue of their mass (E = mc²).' This latter is not what most people seem to mean when they say someone has a lot of energy. But different systems use language differently, so first you have to nail down as best as one can, just what in hell someone is trying to say, and that means getting a grasp of how they use those words. Unless those words can be reduced to experience, it will never be clear just what is going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad eclipse karma...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Total eclipses that I've experience were more like a cloud obscuring the sun. Probably perplexing if there was not a cloud in the sky at some location and in ancient times. But after learning tantra I was supposed to spend the eclipse time meditating to increase shakti. Exceptions would be if it wasn't visible here which I believe is the case tomorrow. I'll be on a train at the time and it's supposed to be cloudy in London tomorrow so I'll be meditating too. Will report any shakti increases I notice - I'd better google it first though just to make sure I'm looking for the right thing ;-) On 03/19/2015 01:42 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Lucky he didn't get eaten alive. That's demonstrated in the first few minutes of the series Fortitude and why people around the arctic carry rifles and try to stay aware from polar bears. I bet it ruined his holiday. I wish I'd booked a weekend break in Scotland for it, last one I saw was from the roof of the TM academy and no one else was interested due to bad influences - standing in a shadow is bad? I asked. If you've never had the pleasure it's a really spooky experience. The light disappears but not like it does when the sun goes down, it's more like the colour is being sucked out of the world and all the birds stop singing, and then it gets cold. As it approaches totality you can see the shadow of the moon rushing towards you in a straight line, that's when I glanced up and got an idea of the moon as a lump of rock, not an intellectual understanding but actually like there's a vast ball of heaviness flying about over your head. Far out. It's a welcome glimpse at the proper perspective of where we are and what's going on that you don't get from just standing on the Earth. Let's hope the elite who run the world and are quite a bit superstitious don't elect to start a war tomorrow. They usually favor March for such their particular form of madness. Yep, spring time is war time.. On 03/19/2015 12:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote: There's some dangerous influences coming from the heavens for North Europeans tomorrow. This poor guy didn't listen to the sages of old and look what happened. Take heed of the omens. Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for solar eclipse Tourist survives polar bear attack while camping for sol... A tourist camping on Svalbard to watch tomorrow’s solar eclipse has been mauled by a polar bear as he slept in his tent. View on www.independent.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
It is the way I write. Barry was more succinct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : You couched it like an academic theory not that it was your experience. On 03/19/2015 02:07 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I thought I was talking about my experience. A theory will never match experience, a theory just makes a verbal or mathematical representation for the mind, it represents a step down from experience, sometimes a very big step down. It creates a way to express experience to another mind, like squeezing an elephant through a garden hose, and hoping something comes out the other end. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : But you are discussing theory not experience. What if the theory doesn't match the experience? On 03/19/2015 01:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I would say awareness experiences what the nervous system is conscious of; you do not experience awareness, it 'gives' being to whatever is experienced. This is fine cut gobbledygook in the use of words. Awareness is not self-reflective, but allows self-reflectiveness to be experienced. The is no 'you' that experiences it. But there is a mind that ruminates on it, that awareness makes 'visible'. You could say it is the consciousness of consciousness. None of these words really hit the mark. Awareness is a poor choice of words, if you use those words in a different sense than Nisargadatta did, if you want to define them some other way. Now with TM, the words awareness and consciousness do not seem to be used in the same way that Nisargadatta did, they are used more loosely, often completely equivalent. Here is how a Vedantist uses the word awareness: '...enlightenment is not a transcendental state, a higher state, an altered state, the fourth state beyond waking, dream and deep sleep or any other kind of state. It is simple, unchanging awareness and cannot be directly experienced as an object as it is subtler than the mind, the instrument of experience.' and '...is neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor both. It is not an undifferentiated mass of consciousness . It neither knows nor does not know. It is invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own self.' When discussing meditation and related philosophical systems, one is really dealing with a technical language just like in science. Casually we use, say, the word 'energy' in certain ways such as 'the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity', but in science it means the 'ability to do work. Objects can have energy by virtue of their motion (kinetic energy), by virtue of their position (potential energy), or by virtue of their mass (E = mc²).' This latter is not what most people seem to mean when they say someone has a lot of energy. But different systems use language differently, so first you have to nail down as best as one can, just what in hell someone is trying to say, and that means getting a grasp of how they use those words. Unless those words can be reduced to experience, it will never be clear just what is going on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate awareness with being? Being theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and is the basis of everything. Some folks call that being God. Awareness would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta. On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific, technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness. Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context. You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being. Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman, this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is getting
[FairfieldLife] Re: 37 words
but awareness is beyond all -- being as well as not-being. Nisargadatta The scriptures say so, but I know nothing about it. I know myself as I am; as I appeared or will appear is not within my experience. It is not that I do not remember. In fact there is nothing to remember. Reincarnation implies a reincarnating self. There is no such thing. The bundle of memories and hopes, called the 'I', imagines itself existing everlastingly and creates time to accommodate its false eternity: To be, I need no past or future. All experience is born of imagination; I do not imagine, so no birth or death happens to me. Only those who think themselves born can think themselves re-born. You are accusing me of having been born -- I plead not guilty! By its very nature the mind is outward turned; it always tends to seek for the source of things among the things themselves; to be told to look for the source within, is, in a way, the beginning of a new life. Awareness takes the place of consciousness; in consciousness there is the 'I', who is conscious while awareness is undivided; awareness is aware of itself. The 'I am' is a thought, while awareness is not a thought, there is no 'I am aware' in awareness. Consciousness is an attribute while awareness is not; one can be aware of being conscious, but not conscious of awareness. God is the totality of consciousness, but awareness is beyond all -- being as well as not-being.
Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Cinerama is Seattle. The print may have been 70mm not the three strip Cinerama. But I'm not a big fan of the film as it seemed a bit stiff and cold. Speaking of Seattle I got a kick out of iZombie because it is set in Seattle. The TV station in the pilot episode is a real TV station and probably now the CW affiliate. But back in the day it was just an independent TV station and the jazz trio I was in played as house band on a weekly TV show there. That was the show that two weeks after I learned TM had Jerry Jarvis as a guest. We also had a number of famous Hollywood folks as guests including Jackie Coogan who was fun to chat with. On 03/18/2015 10:52 PM, ultrarishi wrote: This has absolutely nothing to do with any topic of late, but I am such a huge fan of film, 70mm film and 2001: a space odyssey. Now you know our plans for the weekend. BTW, they've sold out 4 performances and most like the 5th by the time the weekend is here. Films of Future Past http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 image http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 Films of Future Past http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 With 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Hollywood Theatre brings 70mm back to Portland. View on www.portlandmercury.com http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ever decreasing circles
Sorry to hear about your friend. Here in the SF Bay Area we seem to be having those kinds of train deaths daily now. Must be a lot of depressed people out there. The cost of living keeps getting higher and we hear about the impending doom of the drought, possibly the worst in recorded history and people just don't know what to do. Oldsters are shut out of making a living regardless of their experience. And Dubya once said we were supposed work until we dropped dead. Even then I shouted at what? One of the reasons I got to Starbucks over a locally owned place is I know the staff at the downtown one. There's one woman who has been there since it opened and when I wondered why she wasn't made manager was told she didn't want the job though she is the most experienced there. We've had some bad managers come through there too. On 03/18/2015 05:46 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: In my local Starbucks this evening I asked one of the staff where one of the regular customers had gone. Peter - a Scot who was there almost every night - was always very boisterous and friendly so his absence was noticeable. I was expecting to be told that he had decided to move back to Edinburgh. Instead I learned that he'd killed himself by throwing himself in front of a train at Ealing Broadway station (right next door to the Starbucks). Naturally enough I was thunderstruck. You then start to think if you had been as welcoming to him as maybe you should have been. We all owe each other a certain acknowledgment and respect and I was thinking back to my own nodded greetings and occasional exchanges with Peter and judging that perhaps I'd fallen short of giving him his due. R.I.P. Anyway, there was a staff member I'd noticed who always struck me as being a bright young chap. I thought that maybe he was one of those over-qualified graduates one reads about who are so desperate for work experience that cleaning up at a coffee shop has people queuing up around the block whenever a vacancy arises. Tonight I'd been sitting there reading Sam Harris's Waking Up (many thanks to those FFLifers who recommended the title - I'd probably not have bought it without your thumbs up). This staffer said to me that it seemed an interesting topic - Spirituality without Religion. What was it about? So I summed it up by saying that Sam Harris was hostile to religion - and I meanreally hostile - but he approved of meditation and wanted to encourage its use while ditching all the metaphysical baggage. My staffer then responded by saying that he never read books. I tell you that his reply was more shocking to me than the news of Peter's suicide. It really hit me that someone who never reads books must have an overall view of life utterly remote from my own. How can an obviously bright and personable young man have gone through our educational system and ended up deciding that books have nothing worthwhile for him? Imagine what it must be like to have your worldview formed by television, the internet and your friends' chat. What a confined space you must live in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Cinerama is Seattle. The print may have been 70mm not the three strip Cinerama. But I'm not a big fan of the film as it seemed a bit stiff and cold. Ah, that's the Kubrick trademark. I like it as it gives a weirdly disconnected and unemotional look to a film, like either him or me is autistic. Unique if nothing else. I know it's a trivial part of a sci-fi film but the special effects in that film haven't been bettered. In fact it looks better than any CGI monstrosity you get these days. There isn't the same sense of spectacle going to see a movie now as you know everything is done on a computer. But then I know someone who does animation the hard way and they did a bit in a Harry Potter film. It took months of hard slog and when I saw the 1 minute piece I thought it was a computer aided sketch. She was most unimpressed. Go figure.. Speaking of Seattle I got a kick out of iZombie because it is set in Seattle. The TV station in the pilot episode is a real TV station and probably now the CW affiliate. But back in the day it was just an independent TV station and the jazz trio I was in played as house band on a weekly TV show there. That was the show that two weeks after I learned TM had Jerry Jarvis as a guest. We also had a number of famous Hollywood folks as guests including Jackie Coogan who was fun to chat with. On 03/18/2015 10:52 PM, ultrarishi wrote: This has absolutely nothing to do with any topic of late, but I am such a huge fan of film, 70mm film and 2001: a space odyssey. Now you know our plans for the weekend. BTW, they've sold out 4 performances and most like the 5th by the time the weekend is here. Films of Future Past Films of Future Past With 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Hollywood Theatre brings 70mm back to Portland. View on www.portlandmercury.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer... So, you once lived at a TM Center for what, 12 years - until they kicked you out, and so now you're bitter and twisted and dysfunctional as a long term TMer. Can you spell cognitive dissonance? Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trickster Guru
You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. - L. Ron Hubbard L. Ron Hubbard - Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard L. Ron Hubbard - Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard There are conditions worse than being unable to see, and that is imagining one sees. Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (13 March 1911 – 24 January 1986) was a... View on en.wikiquote.org http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alan Watts on How to Fake Your Way as a Spiritual Teacher http://www.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/2009/05/alan-watts-on-how-to-fake-your-way-as-a-spiritual-teacher.html Alan Watts on How to Fake Your Way as a Spiritual Teacher http://www.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/2009/05/alan-watts-on-how-to-fake-your-way-as-a-spiritual-teacher.html The Trickster Guru by Alan Watts View on www.patheos.com http://www.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/2009/05/alan-watts-on-how-to-fake-your-way-as-a-spiritual-teacher.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever decreasing circles
God rest his soul. I am sorry; suicide hits hard; harder when close to home. One cannot truly know what another's internal world is like, if they don't want you to know. We are all actors. Thank you for reminding me to put that book on my list. The list is so long. I didn't read for several years when I was raising kids and working full time. Too exhausted at night and free time was spent engaging with friends and family. There are a million worthy things one can do that don't involve reading. One has to love it or it isn't a priority. I know many who simply aren't good readers; it doesn't do for them what it does for me. I learn best through words on paper, for example. Some learn more visually, through images on a screen. I missed it, though, for sure. I prefer reading to almost any other activity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : In my local Starbucks this evening I asked one of the staff where one of the regular customers had gone. Peter - a Scot who was there almost every night - was always very boisterous and friendly so his absence was noticeable. I was expecting to be told that he had decided to move back to Edinburgh. Instead I learned that he'd killed himself by throwing himself in front of a train at Ealing Broadway station (right next door to the Starbucks). Naturally enough I was thunderstruck. You then start to think if you had been as welcoming to him as maybe you should have been. We all owe each other a certain acknowledgment and respect and I was thinking back to my own nodded greetings and occasional exchanges with Peter and judging that perhaps I'd fallen short of giving him his due. R.I.P. Anyway, there was a staff member I'd noticed who always struck me as being a bright young chap. I thought that maybe he was one of those over-qualified graduates one reads about who are so desperate for work experience that cleaning up at a coffee shop has people queuing up around the block whenever a vacancy arises. Tonight I'd been sitting there reading Sam Harris's Waking Up (many thanks to those FFLifers who recommended the title - I'd probably not have bought it without your thumbs up). This staffer said to me that it seemed an interesting topic - Spirituality without Religion. What was it about? So I summed it up by saying that Sam Harris was hostile to religion - and I mean really hostile - but he approved of meditation and wanted to encourage its use while ditching all the metaphysical baggage. My staffer then responded by saying that he never read books. I tell you that his reply was more shocking to me than the news of Peter's suicide. It really hit me that someone who never reads books must have an overall view of life utterly remote from my own. How can an obviously bright and personable young man have gone through our educational system and ended up deciding that books have nothing worthwhile for him? Imagine what it must be like to have your worldview formed by television, the internet and your friends' chat. What a confined space you must live in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
So, you've posted Jim's real name and reported him to the cops. Thanks for dispelling any doubt that you're an informant. That's enough to cause anyone to leave the group. Some people will stoop to almost any level in order to win a religious debate, down to and including outing someone and calling the cops on them. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. Non sequitur. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. Non sequitur. :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's
Re: [FairfieldLife] My first rock concert
In high school I was not a rock fan and only played it for the money. My choice was jazz concerts and saw Dave Brubeck in 1962 in Seattle and later that summer Errol Garner at the World's Fair (a record was released of that concert). In my senior year saw Brubeck once again and helped Joe Morello pack up his drums. Then the local liberal arts college had Duke Ellington in for a concert. Afterwards the band played for a dance and the drummer, Sam Woodyard, tried to get me to sit in. I've always kicked myself that I didn't. My first rock concert was with some of my fellow music students in my freshman year at the University of Washington. It was mainly a concert of regional bubble gum bands with Paul Revere and the Raiders headlining. Then that fall I went to a concert where the headliner was the Beach Boys but that was to scope out the scene since I was playing in a rock group. From then on I got paid to attend rock concerts as the band played in them. Of course met a lot of famous rock folks of the day. One of the weirder rock concerts was a pop concert at the Seattle Aqua Theater where the preceding act was Glenn Campbell (just him and his guitar) and the emcees were Sonny and Cher. On 03/18/2015 06:09 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The first rock concert I went to was to see Free when their hit All Right Now topped the charts. So it is a sign of how long ago that was that I learn that bassist Andy Fraser, who co-wrote Free's hit, has died in California aged 62. The musician died on Monday and he had been fighting cancer and Aids, according to an official statement regarding his death. The song itself still stands the test of time . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydItRbb0b1E
Re: [FairfieldLife] For you film buffs out there: 2001 in 70 mm
On 03/19/2015 09:27 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I saw 2001 in 1968 at the Cinerama is Seattle. The print may have been 70mm not the three strip Cinerama. But I'm not a big fan of the film as it seemed a bit stiff and cold. Ah, that's the Kubrick trademark. I like it as it gives a weirdly disconnected and unemotional look to a film, like either him or me is autistic. Unique if nothing else. I know it's a trivial part of a sci-fi film but the special effects in that film haven't been bettered. In fact it looks better than any CGI monstrosity you get these days. There isn't the same sense of spectacle going to see a movie now as you know everything is done on a computer. Back in the mid-1990s I was on the steering committee of a consortium called Skills Net. It was a consortium of Hollywood and Silicon Valley trying to figure out how to get colleges to graduate more computer artists. The Warner Brothers rep said he could only find two qualified graduates for that year in the whole US. Much of CGI was outsourced to other countries and the FOX rep talked about their experiences outsourcing to Korea and getting back an animation of Homer Simpson running backwards. I asked our artists why there weren't more artists going into CGI for film and they told me it was boring and not creative at all. So basically what the industry needed to do was hired draftsmen. But then I know someone who does animation the hard way and they did a bit in a Harry Potter film. It took months of hard slog and when I saw the 1 minute piece I thought it was a computer aided sketch. She was most unimpressed. Go figure.. Speaking of Seattle I got a kick out of iZombie because it is set in Seattle. The TV station in the pilot episode is a real TV station and probably now the CW affiliate. But back in the day it was just an independent TV station and the jazz trio I was in played as house band on a weekly TV show there. That was the show that two weeks after I learned TM had Jerry Jarvis as a guest. We also had a number of famous Hollywood folks as guests including Jackie Coogan who was fun to chat with. On 03/18/2015 10:52 PM, ultrarishi wrote: This has absolutely nothing to do with any topic of late, but I am such a huge fan of film, 70mm film and 2001: a space odyssey. Now you know our plans for the weekend. BTW, they've sold out 4 performances and most like the 5th by the time the weekend is here. Films of Future Past http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 image http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 Films of Future Past http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 With 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Hollywood Theatre brings 70mm back to Portland. View on www.portlandmercury.com http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/films-of-future-past/Content?oid=15208048 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can
learn something from it.
This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn
into a teaching moment
On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be
duplicitous here, but,
would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of
experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other
tortureous experiments in the name of research.
The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were.
So, is it along those lines?
No
Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short
of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond?
I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging
in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess.
Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being
wronged, or hurt physically.
Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that
falls under the category of cruelty to animals
I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often,
curious.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way,
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
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