[FairfieldLife] Re: No More Burgers in India
It's pretty stupid to ban the slaughter of animals that are revered for their milk. Cows have to be bred every year, and half of all calves born are male, most of which are not needed for breeding purposes. Yes, it is technically possible to run an ahimsa dairy where all animals are allowed to live out their natural lives, but it is rarely done due to the significantly higher cost of the milk. Speaking of beef, I am right now enjoying a salad of mesclun greens from the greenhouse, drizzled with organic extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar, and topped off with slices of grass-fed chuck roast that was cooked sous vide for two days at 133 degrees and grilled before serving. On my meat runs to Iowa City, I still buy ribeyes, but I've replaced NY strips with roasts that I cook sous vide, cut into individual portions, and freeze. The tenderness of steak with the flavor and lower cost of a roast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : Eating beef not fundamental right, Maharashtra government tells High Court http://indianexpress.com/article/india/maharashtra/eating-beef-not-a-fundamental-right-maharashtra-govt-tells-high-court/ http://indianexpress.com/article/india/maharashtra/eating-beef-not-a-fundamental-right-maharashtra-govt-tells-high-court/ Eating beef not fundamental right, Maharashtra governme... http://indianexpress.com/article/india/maharashtra/eating-beef-not-a-fundamental-right-maharashtra-govt-tells-high-court/ The Advocate General said there are several other food items that provide the same nutrition as that of beef. View on indianexpress.com http://indianexpress.com/article/india/maharashtra/eating-beef-not-a-fundamental-right-maharashtra-govt-tells-high-court/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No More Burgers in India
If ever I come to Fairfield, I am going to beg for an invitation for dinner. It
sounds mighty good. As to the beef hoopla in India, its just that ultra
nationalist hardline Hindu crap that Modi is promoting - he's an opportunistic
hoodlum who sees whipping up this kind of fervor as a way to stay in power - oh
how proud the we want him to be a TM'er crowd can feel now!
From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No More Burgers in India
It's pretty stupid to ban the slaughter of animals that are revered for their
milk. Cows have to be bred every year, and half of all calves born are male,
most of which are not needed for breeding purposes. Yes, it is technically
possible to run an ahimsa dairy where all animals are allowed to live out
their natural lives, but it is rarely done due to the significantly higher cost
of the milk.
Speaking of beef, I am right now enjoying a salad of mesclun greens from the
greenhouse, drizzled with organic extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar,
and topped off with slices of grass-fed chuck roast that was cooked sous vide
for two days at 133 degrees and grilled before serving. On my meat runs to Iowa
City, I still buy ribeyes, but I've replaced NY strips with roasts that I cook
sous vide, cut into individual portions, and freeze. The tenderness of steak
with the flavor and lower cost of a roast.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote :
Eating beef not fundamental right, Maharashtra government tells High Court
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General said there are several other food items that provide the same nutrition
as that of beef. |
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[FairfieldLife] No More Burgers in India
Eating beef not fundamental right, Maharashtra government tells High Court | | | | | | | | | | | Eating beef not fundamental right, Maharashtra governme...The Advocate General said there are several other food items that provide the same nutrition as that of beef. | | | | View on indianexpress.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck, I can understand, if you are emotionally sensitive that you might feel
hurt as a result of some the of things posted here on FFL, but 'ruinous' is
another matter. That means disastrous or destructive. Obviously if a person
thinks idea A is false and persuasively explains why he/she thinks it is false,
it could be ruinous. Now if you like idea A and want to defend it, you must do
so in a manner more persuasive than the person who thinks it is false.
Spiritual arguments eventually all amount to blather because they are not based
on facts. Facts that are related to spiritual things never seem to touch the
core value of spirituality because that core value is always said to not exist
in the material world, and hence, there are no indisputable facts that can be
presented; everything is hearsay, and not admissible in court. There are many
things you have brought up here which I think are dead wrong. For example, the
Maharishi effect.
I think a case could be made that there is some sort of interaction between
human beings that result in crowd effects, like riots. There is electrical
activity in the brain and it seems as if it could influence people near you
were it strong enough, but the effect would be much more limited than the way
the movement talks about it, it would at best be an electromagnetic field
effect. But also, it might be a chemical effect, or people picking up on
behavioural cues. So the scientific issue would revolve around these known
effects, not a unified field effect, for scientifically a unified field is
still an unfinished and unproven theory, and hence has not been discovered
scientifically, it is an ideal many scientists are attempting to work toward.
The movement's spiel about the Maharishi effect is essentially a scam because
mentally the idea has been approached philosophically rather than
scientifically. Do you want to discuss this?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Calling for drone strikes on people like me? of course I am a neganaut, so
maybe its justified.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I'd like to see Buck produce an *example* of what he considers the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
But at the same time, I'm willing to bet that he will be neither willing nor
able to produce one.
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck, I can understand, if you are emotionally sensitive that you might
feel hurt as a result of some the of things posted here on FFL, but 'ruinous'
is another matter. That means disastrous or destructive. Obviously if a person
thinks idea A is false and persuasively explains why he/she thinks it is false,
it could be ruinous. Now if you like idea A and want to defend it, you must do
so in a manner more persuasive than the person who thinks it is false.
Spiritual arguments eventually all amount to blather because they are not based
on facts. Facts that are related to spiritual things never seem to touch the
core value of spirituality because that core value is always said to not exist
in the material world, and hence, there are no indisputable facts that can be
presented; everything is hearsay, and not admissible in court. There are many
things you have brought up here which I think are dead wrong. For example, the
Maharishi effect.
I think a case could be made that there is some sort of interaction between
human beings that result in crowd effects, like riots. There is electrical
activity in the brain and it seems as if it could influence people near you
were it strong enough, but the effect would be much more limited than the way
the movement talks about it, it would at best be an electromagnetic field
effect. But also, it might be a chemical effect, or people picking up on
behavioural cues. So the scientific issue would revolve around these known
effects, not a unified field effect, for scientifically a unified field is
still an unfinished and unproven theory, and hence has not been discovered
scientifically, it is an ideal many scientists are attempting to work toward.
The movement's spiel about the Maharishi effect is essentially a scam because
mentally the idea has been approached philosophically rather than
scientifically. Do you want to discuss this?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
Indeed, driving around Mount St. Helens is sobering. They've left a few areas
in which one can still see what the blast did to forests in the area. Miles and
miles of forests, blown over as if they had been matchsticks.
One of my favorite sobering experiences from nature is from New Mexico, the
first time I was driving around the Los Alamos area. I had not been there
before, and noticed on a map that there was supposedly the caldera (crater) of
a dormant volcano in the area. That intrigued me, so when I saw a sign for the
Valles Caldera, I started looking for a cone. Nada. Couldn't see a thing. So I
stopped and turned around and went back to the sign and read it more carefully
and found that I was in the *center* of the Valles Caldera, and had been for
almost seven miles. The crater is 13.7 miles (22 km) across. Think what *that*
blast must have been like.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
Among the folks I used to hang out with in a jyotish study group was a
geophysicist who was part of the team on St. Helens when it blew. He said as
they drove out of the area they warned people driving in to leave immediately.
My mother, living in eastern Washington, was on the phone when it blew with
friends in Amboy which is very near St. Helens. It's still quite something to
drive through that area.
Engrams would also be like samskaras.
On 04/23/2015 07:42 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the
early 1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as
biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in
response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's
scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience
containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It
is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an
individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'.
When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically
something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which
probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and
you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid
of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it
is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'.
In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the
methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face
directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be
gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind
as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A
person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the
explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true
believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do
in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something.
Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic
explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in
1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his
radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road
workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he
had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he
did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and
a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a
camper who was driving frantically away at the time).
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass
Xenu bringing billions of his people to Earth and throwing them into
volcanoes, this time lapse segment of a Chilean volcano erupting will bring
back memories of what caused all the engrams you have to pay the big bucks to
get rid of through Co$ auditing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Everyone knows that science has disproved the brainwashing theory, Barry. Way back in 1996 Margaret Singer's 'mind control theories' had already been discredited by most psychologists. She was apparently censored by the American Sociological Association (APA) and when she sued, she failed to prove her case. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I thought that the writer of the article cited in that post was onto something with regard to imprinting and implanting and brainwashing. Almost any college textbook on sociology of religion could list a number of reasons why Singer's brainwashing and mind control theories had been rejected by the scholarly community. That is, that it's not necessarily being presented with the idea you're supposed to believe that causes you to become implanted with it, but how much you are required to ACT on the idea that determines how deeply it sinks in and becomes so deeply established that it can persist even for years after you leave the organization that implanted you with the idea. Maybe we should check the conclusions of the published studies on PubMed. Following this train of thought, I would suggest that *TM teachers* are more likely to be implanted with long-lasting, virus-like ideas that they're largely unaware of than regular, non-teaching TMers are. NOT because the TM teachers were more exposed to propaganda and brainwashing (which they were), but because they were asked to ACT on the ideas they were being programmed to believe. According to Anthony, The use of hypnosis or altered states of consciousness to induce conformity is not supported. Aggressive propaganda combined with isolation, manipulated peer pressure, torture or the threat of torture, and total uncertainty concerning the future produced limited, but temporary, behavioral conformity. They weren't just told to believe that TM was not a religion, they were required to stand up in front of audiences and say that it wasn't. This was an act that caused a much deeper imprinting than just being told something. We should note however, that participation in new religious groups seems to have a generally positive impact on most participants, with a few exceptions such as some of the current FFL informants. It has been interesting learning about why they pursued the enlightenenment and how they now analyze their failure, shifting the blame on others. Apparently they got kicked out for one reason or another and are still disgruntled, even after decades. Go figure. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that having to stand up in front of other people and parrot an idea you've been taught to believe is MUCH more powerful than just hearing that idea in a lecture. The Brainwashing Model Debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Work cited: Anthony, Dick. Religious Movements and Brainwashing Litigation: Evaluating Key Testimony, in Thomas Robbins and Dick Anthony, eds., In Gods We Trust, 2nd ed. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aryav...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it? I think that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
This thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
[FairfieldLife] Peter Fenner: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/23/2015
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[FairfieldLife] World Government, Special currency, Scorpion Nation UK, .... this interview has it all
See ‘Going Clear’ star Hana Whitfield describe L. Ron Hubbard in a leaked 1997 interview « The Underground Bunker http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/23/see-going-clear-star-hana-whitfield-describe-l-ron-hubbard-in-a-leaked-1997-interview/ http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/23/see-going-clear-star-hana-whitfield-describe-l-ron-hubbard-in-a-leaked-1997-interview/ See ‘Going Clear’ star Hana Whitfield describe L. Ron Hu... http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/23/see-going-clear-star-hana-whitfield-describe-l-ron-hubbard-in-a-leaked-1997-interview/ Hana Eltringham Whitfield was one of the stars of Alex Gibney’s documentary about Scientology, Going Clear. View on tonyortega.org http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/23/see-going-clear-star-hana-whitfield-describe-l-ron-hubbard-in-a-leaked-1997-interview/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I'd like to see Buck produce an *example* of what he considers the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
But at the same time, I'm willing to bet that he will be neither willing nor
able to produce one.
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Buck, I can understand, if you are emotionally sensitive that you might
feel hurt as a result of some the of things posted here on FFL, but 'ruinous'
is another matter. That means disastrous or destructive. Obviously if a person
thinks idea A is false and persuasively explains why he/she thinks it is false,
it could be ruinous. Now if you like idea A and want to defend it, you must do
so in a manner more persuasive than the person who thinks it is false.
Spiritual arguments eventually all amount to blather because they are not based
on facts. Facts that are related to spiritual things never seem to touch the
core value of spirituality because that core value is always said to not exist
in the material world, and hence, there are no indisputable facts that can be
presented; everything is hearsay, and not admissible in court. There are many
things you have brought up here which I think are dead wrong. For example, the
Maharishi effect.
I think a case could be made that there is some sort of interaction between
human beings that result in crowd effects, like riots. There is electrical
activity in the brain and it seems as if it could influence people near you
were it strong enough, but the effect would be much more limited than the way
the movement talks about it, it would at best be an electromagnetic field
effect. But also, it might be a chemical effect, or people picking up on
behavioural cues. So the scientific issue would revolve around these known
effects, not a unified field effect, for scientifically a unified field is
still an unfinished and unproven theory, and hence has not been discovered
scientifically, it is an ideal many scientists are attempting to work toward.
The movement's spiel about the Maharishi effect is essentially a scam because
mentally the idea has been approached philosophically rather than
scientifically. Do you want to discuss this?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
nope
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You're kidding, right?
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I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing,
there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she
called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that
she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have
one.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM
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Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably
psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping
formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
Among the folks I used to hang out with in a jyotish study group was a geophysicist who was part of the team on St. Helens when it blew. He said as they drove out of the area they warned people driving in to leave immediately. My mother, living in eastern Washington, was on the phone when it blew with friends in Amboy which is very near St. Helens. It's still quite something to drive through that area. Engrams would also be like samskaras. On 04/23/2015 07:42 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: [Attachment(s) #TopText from Xenophaneros Anartaxius included below] The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the early 1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'. When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'. In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something. Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in 1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a camper who was driving frantically away at the time). *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:54 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn */For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass Xenu bringing billions of his people to Earth and throwing them into volcanoes, this time lapse segment of a Chilean volcano erupting will bring back memories of what caused all the engrams you have to pay the big bucks to get rid of through Co$ auditing./*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Interesting idea but I wonder why exactly? Peer pressure maybe, we do learn acceptance from the approval of our friends. Or maybe the acting out just makes it more real, I think a NLP practitioner would encourage it to reinforce beliefs with actions as a way of strengthening a new behaviour by incorporating larger neural networks, the more the nervous system is invested in an idea the more likely it will be remembered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This subject relates, at least for me, to an article/subject I tried to interest folks in discussing a few days ago: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413668 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413668?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma I thought that the writer of the article cited in that post was onto something with regard to imprinting and implanting and brainwashing. That is, that it's not necessarily being presented with the idea you're supposed to believe that causes you to become implanted with it, but how much you are required to ACT on the idea that determines how deeply it sinks in and becomes so deeply established that it can persist even for years after you leave the organization that implanted you with the idea. Following this train of thought, I would suggest that *TM teachers* are more likely to be implanted with long-lasting, virus-like ideas that they're largely unaware of than regular, non-teaching TMers are. NOT because the TM teachers were more exposed to propaganda and brainwashing (which they were), but because they were asked to ACT on the ideas they were being programmed to believe. They weren't just told to believe that TM was not a religion, they were required to stand up in front of audiences and say that it wasn't. This was an act that caused a much deeper imprinting than just being told something. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that having to stand up in front of other people and parrot an idea you've been taught to believe is MUCH more powerful than just hearing that idea in a lecture. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aryav...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it? I think that the world view of the reesh is so all encompassing that once you've been fully exposed, it takes a while and a lot of effort, to de-programme yourself. I still find odd ideas inside that I picked up in the movement so the idea of an implant - while not literal - is a good description of how the mind absorbs new ideas and defers to them, especially as most of those ideas come to you when you are in an intensely relaxed state on a rounding course just after meditating, it's brainwashing 101. And the idea that the state of inner silence is some sort of infinite ground state of reality is a good reinforcer when someone who claims to be talking from that level gives you an opinion to consider. It's all very clever and self-reinforcing and they deliberately let you in gently too so as not to scare off the newbies. Unless it's all true of course and Buck is right that we are all apostates who should be killed in drone strikes
Re: [FairfieldLife] The answer to cancer....
Somewhat related. The news as reported by Andy Borowitz:
Nation Surprised to Learn That Guy on TV is Real Doctor
:-)
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The answer to cancer
...is lying through your teeth about ever having had it.
Australian health blogger admits faking terminal cancer - BBC News
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
They shot a lot of Cormac McCarthy's The Road in the area. To see the devastation all one has to do is drive through the area on I-5 (major west coast freeway). https://youtu.be/ApYmvPqIFwQ On 04/23/2015 09:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Indeed, driving around Mount St. Helens is sobering. They've left a few areas in which one can still see what the blast did to forests in the area. Miles and miles of forests, blown over as if they had been matchsticks. /* */One of my favorite sobering experiences from nature is from New Mexico, the first time I was driving around the Los Alamos area. I had not been there before, and noticed on a map that there was supposedly the caldera (crater) of a dormant volcano in the area. That intrigued me, so when I saw a sign for the Valles Caldera, I started looking for a cone. Nada. Couldn't see a thing. So I stopped and turned around and went back to the sign and read it more carefully and found that I was in the *center* of the Valles Caldera, and had been for almost seven miles. The crater is 13.7 miles (22 km) across. Think what *that* blast must have been like. /* *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn Among the folks I used to hang out with in a jyotish study group was a geophysicist who was part of the team on St. Helens when it blew. He said as they drove out of the area they warned people driving in to leave immediately. My mother, living in eastern Washington, was on the phone when it blew with friends in Amboy which is very near St. Helens. It's still quite something to drive through that area. Engrams would also be like samskaras. On 04/23/2015 07:42 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the early 1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'. When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'. In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something. Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in 1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a camper who was driving frantically away at the time). *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:54 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn */For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass Xenu bringing billions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
BTW, just for comparison, the Mount St. Helens caldera is a 1 mile (1.6 km) wide, and the blast caused when it erupted registered 5.1 on the Richter scale and flattened everything for 230 square miles (600 km2). The Valles Caldera is 13.7 miles (22 km) wide. Try to imagine... From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com They shot a lot of Cormac McCarthy's The Road in the area. To see the devastation all one has to do is drive through the area on I-5 (major west coast freeway). https://youtu.be/ApYmvPqIFwQ On 04/23/2015 09:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Indeed, driving around Mount St. Helens is sobering. They've left a few areas in which one can still see what the blast did to forests in the area. Miles and miles of forests, blown over as if they had been matchsticks. One of my favorite sobering experiences from nature is from New Mexico, the first time I was driving around the Los Alamos area. I had not been there before, and noticed on a map that there was supposedly the caldera (crater) of a dormant volcano in the area. That intrigued me, so when I saw a sign for the Valles Caldera, I started looking for a cone. Nada. Couldn't see a thing. So I stopped and turned around and went back to the sign and read it more carefully and found that I was in the *center* of the Valles Caldera, and had been for almost seven miles. The crater is 13.7 miles (22 km) across. Think what *that* blast must have been like. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn Among the folks I used to hang out with in a jyotish study group was a geophysicist who was part of the team on St. Helens when it blew. He said as they drove out of the area they warned people driving in to leave immediately. My mother, living in eastern Washington, was on the phone when it blew with friends in Amboy which is very near St. Helens. It's still quite something to drive through that area. Engrams would also be like samskaras. On 04/23/2015 07:42 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the early 1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'. When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'. In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something. Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in 1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a camper who was driving frantically away at the time). From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn [2 Attachments]
The term engram pre-dated Hubbard's use of the term, appearing in the early
1900s having the meaning 'the means by which memory traces are stored as
biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in
response to external stimuli'. It was a scientific hypothesis. In Hubbard's
scam it's 'a mental image picture which is a recording of an experience
containing pain, unconsciousness and a real or fancied threat to survival. It
is a recording in the reactive mind of something which actually happened to an
individual in the past and which contained pain and unconsciousness'.
When you look at any spiritual movement or philosophy there is basically
something like an engram, there is something that is 'wrong' with you (which
probably you do not like), and the spiritual system is going to 'fix' it, and
you fall into the system because you think life will be better if you get rid
of whatever seems insufficient in you. In TM engram = stress, in Catholicism it
is 'original sin', in a number of philosophies it is 'ignorance' or 'illusion'.
In every case a supposed condition has to be reversed or eliminated, but the
methods used differ. It seems in Scientology the attempt is to get you to face
directly these unpleasant memories; in TM these things are supposed to be
gently released. These processes can be effective, but the danger is the mind
as memory gets loaded with all sorts of explanations for what you are doing. A
person basically does these things to improve their life, but if the
explanatory part of the process takes deep root, you end up as a 'true
believer' in the particular philosophy at hand, when all you were trying to do
in the first place was forget something or lessen the impact of that something.
Cool video of that volcano. One person who had a great view of a volcanic
explosion was the scientist David Johnston who was monitoring Mt. St. Helens in
1980. He was 10 kilometres from the mountain when it blew. He yelled into his
radio 'Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!' and was never heard from again. Road
workers found parts of his trailer 13 years later, but no sign of him. If he
had any engrams from the event, they probably disappeared at the same time he
did. Attached is a picture of Johnston made 13 hours before the explosion, and
a second image of the explosion which he directly faced (the image made by a
camper who was driving frantically away at the time).
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Xenu Porn
For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass Xenu
bringing billions of his people to Earth and throwing them into volcanoes, this
time lapse segment of a Chilean volcano erupting will bring back memories of
what caused all the engrams you have to pay the big bucks to get rid of through
Co$ auditing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Unless they had learned from other paths, TMers tend to couch yoga in a very strange SCI kind of way. Many seem to be incapable of putting experiences in their own words. On 04/23/2015 05:35 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. *From:* aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
That's probably the most well-known TM hook -- having been brainwashed into
believing there is only one right way to do things, and only one right way
to describe them. Authoritarianism masquerading as spiritual practice.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Unless they had learned from other paths, TMers tend to couch yoga in a
very strange SCI kind of way. Many seem to be incapable of putting experiences
in their own words.
On 04/23/2015 05:35 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing,
there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she
called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that
she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have
one.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably
psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only
stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts
and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant,
that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently
defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
As Spock would say, when confronted with his unfeeling analysis, 'Thank you'. I was not led down this path entirely by others, I was sceptical from an early age. But spiritual teachers too, led me down this path. The spiritual path is strewn with unreality in the name of reality, and in the end, it does not exist, it is a means to an end, and the destruction of the spiritual path is part of its final effects. If you are still on the path, it still exists for you, you are not finished with it yet. My problem with people on the spiritual path is there seems to be a general lack of rationality and a vast expanse of muddled thinking about it. There are only about three things you can do when you have been conned onto a spiritual path. 1) Leave it and give up; 2) Stay on it and fail (True Believer Syndrome); 3) Get real and critical and try to see if there is a real pay off to the thing. Those that have managed to get to the pay off typically find the result is nothing like what they expected. Now Maharishi said to not confuse the ignorant, but that keeps them in a holding pattern of their own stupidity. When a person is confused and muddled, they will interpret anything said to them in a confused and muddled way, so it really matters not what you say. But if they have any spark of intelligence, if you say enough different things about what they are doing, in enough different ways, maybe they will find a way to get out of the true believer rut. And maybe not. The path is neither high nor low, it is an illusion, a thorn to remove a thorn. An illusion to remove an illusion. As for 'being out of the light' (awareness), it is equally present for everyone from the very start, it is the same in every direction and distance. You cannot be out of it, you can only misunderstand what you have already got. Hindu proverb: The three great mysteries: air to a bird, water to a fish, mankind to himself. Now Buck, what is the nature of the 'diversity' you want on FFL? Unification, as an experience, reduces the sense of diversity. Could you give some examples of things you would prefer were discussed, a nice list perhaps? If those are added to what is already here, you would have more diversity. If those things replace what is already discussed here, diversity may not materialise. For more diversity you cannot subtract, you have to add. Live long and prosper. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I disagree - if for example you are referring to people including me asking
Jimmy for proof he was enlightened other than his assertion in the face of the
cussing rants he would go on when challenged or in the face of someone saying
Marshy was a fraud. In light of his behavior I think such challenges were
warranted.
Same with common sense challenges to Nabby's assertions that Benjy Creme was
some sort of a high spiritual guru. I mean come on.
Granted many of us here including me sometimes went over the top with name
calling and if I offended anyone I apologize, except for the vile things I said
about Marshy which while harsh were all true.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
A push back, a kindcounter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage
beingrendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFLcommunity
by a character of intolerant writers cutting good peopledown at their knees by
employing a methodical crossfire of unkindpersonal invective as weapon against
both the TM-TB's and theexperiential-based transcendentalist members then
present on thelist.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
This larger thread is a larger searchfor better diversity of thought here on
Rick's FairfieldLife atYahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your
spock-likeunfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the
unkindculture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like thatarticle
Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their[cult] beliefs
given over to a control by their beliefs if they firstare led to act on them..
Seems you've been led far down a low pathhere with some others, possibly so far
out of the light to see yourway back up very clearly.
An evident consequence of thisis that the whole communal discussion here
suffers for your plight.As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and
others can makesome way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be
betteroff here. That might take some courage on your part to change.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :
It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.
According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due
to the differences between the two objects.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
Buck,you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they canwin
a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard.Although you
may have given up that kind of childish bullying in gradeschool, some have not
risen to that level of discourse or social skills.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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[FairfieldLife] The Transcendent Implant
Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss. aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
This subject relates, at least for me, to an article/subject I tried to
interest folks in discussing a few days ago:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413668
I thought that the writer of the article cited in that post was onto
something with regard to imprinting and implanting and brainwashing. That is,
that it's not necessarily being presented with the idea you're supposed to
believe that causes you to become implanted with it, but how much you are
required to ACT on the idea that determines how deeply it sinks in and
becomes so deeply established that it can persist even for years after you
leave the organization that implanted you with the idea.
Following this train of thought, I would suggest that *TM teachers* are more
likely to be implanted with long-lasting, virus-like ideas that they're largely
unaware of than regular, non-teaching TMers are. NOT because the TM teachers
were more exposed to propaganda and brainwashing (which they were), but because
they were asked to ACT on the ideas they were being programmed to believe.
They weren't just told to believe that TM was not a religion, they were
required to stand up in front of audiences and say that it wasn't. This was an
act that caused a much deeper imprinting than just being told something.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that having to stand up in front of
other people and parrot an idea you've been taught to believe is MUCH more
powerful than just hearing that idea in a lecture.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aryav...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Buckthe depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's
probablypsychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping
formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
I think that the world view of the reesh is so all encompassing that once
you've been fully exposed, it takes a while and a lot of effort, to
de-programme yourself.
I still find odd ideas inside that I picked up in the movement so the idea of
an implant - while not literal - is a good description of how the mind absorbs
new ideas and defers to them, especially as most of those ideas come to you
when you are in an intensely relaxed state on a rounding course just after
meditating, it's brainwashing 101.
And the idea that the state of inner silence is some sort of infinite ground
state of reality is a good reinforcer when someone who claims to be talking
from that level gives you an opinion to consider. It's all very clever and
self-reinforcing and they deliberately let you in gently too so as not to scare
off the newbies.
Unless it's all true of course and Buck is right that we are all apostates who
should be killed in drone strikes
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Obviously they each told the teacher that they had learned TM meditation, hence the TM hook, right? Or, maybe he denied ever learning TM. Or, maybe he never learned TM in the first place. Maybe the health teacher just didn't like his face. He doesn't seem to know very much about the TM or the mechanics of consciousness or even health. I sometimes wonder why people even subscribe and post to FFL, without even learning how to meditate first. Do they think we're going to to teach them on the internet? Maybe he is just posing and kidding. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You're kidding, right? From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it? Or, maybe he denied ever learning TM. Or, maybe he never learned TM in the first place. He doesn't seem to know very much about the TM or the mechanics of consciousness. I sometimes wonder why people subscribe and post to FFL, without even learning how to meditate. Quite often some informants refuse to even discuss where and from whom they learned the TM technique. Maybe they are just posing and kidding. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You're kidding, right? From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self expression
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The number of electrons in the Universe has been estimated as 1080 (1 followed by 80 zeros). That's a very big number. But according to John Wheeler and Richard Feynman there is actually only one electron in the universe. That one electron is constantly and rapidly shifting its place to accommodate its many roles in life. Do you understand that? No, neither do I. Nor me. They also say that if you could make an atom exactly the same as one in, say, your fingernail it would actually be that atom! I don't understand that either, but I know Oxbridge trained physicists who don't know why so I don't feel too bad. Maybe once you reach a certain level in the world of particle physics they take you into a side room and show you a book of the truth about how the atoms in the universe were thrown into an ancient volcano and became our souls etc. You can't tell anyone or they take away your professorship... That'd be a laugh. Here's another idea: there are more than 7 billion people on the planet. That is 7 billion selves. But according to Advaita Vedanta there is only one self. So how about this? That one self (the witnessing mirror) is constantly and rapidly shifting from me to you to everyone else to accommodate its many roles in life. It happens so rapidly that subjectively each of us feels our personal sense of self as continuous and so unique to us. Here's another analogy: the (one) self is outside of time. The flow of time is what we experience out there - like sitting on a river bank and watching the flow of the stream. Suppose there are ten people sitting in a room interacting. Suppose there are actually ten separate worlds which replicate exactly the situation of those ten people in that room. In one of those worlds Man A's body is occupied by that one self; the other nine guys are zombies - soulless phenomena in Man A's awareness. In another of those ten identical worlds Woman B's body is occupied by that one self; the other nine guys are zombies - soulless phenomena in Woman B's awareness. And so on . . . The only consciousness in our worlds is the one we're experiencing. It's solipsism gone mad. What would this imply? That I am Alexander the Great raising his standard and saying Follow me lads and we'll conquer the world. I am Cleopatra weaving my web to entrap Roman bigwigs. (The self is outside of time so what's past is as real as what's present or to come.) And I am lying on a hospital bed in West Africa dying of ebola. It's not all fun and games. ;-) So I will never die. The ethical implications are obvious. I naturally wish the best for everyone else as I clearly wouldn't want to see you suffer. I'm going to be sitting in your place before I finish typing this word. A Zen Master would be beating the shit out of me with his staff for this post. His insight would be instant and non-verbal. I like the idea, I've always had a weird intuition that reincarnation happens because that bit of me is a part of the world and someone else just uses it when they develop a brain complex enough to interact with it. I call it an intuition because I get a feeling it's right but as soon as I try and focus on it to see how it works it shifts away and distracts me. You can't see your mind working I guess. But suppose your idea is correct, we are machines - albeit flesh and blood ones - so we should be able to build a machine that can incorporate the cosmic soul in the same way we do. Suppose we then build in a device into our meat robot that the soul doesn't know about, and that traps it in one place. What happens to us? Lets get the idea mainstream and see how long it takes before Stephen Hawking issues a dire warning about the dangers...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. I wonder how much spiritual development they are going to have to do before they gain the self-awareness necessary to understand that if someone were to make a Going Clear type documentary about the TMO featuring the denizens of FFL, it's those two who would look like the crazies. Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. On 04/22/2015 04:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about how persecuted and bullied they are. So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think of anything intelligent to contribute, either.:-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... mailto:richard@... wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a bully to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
In order to accept your theory we would have to assume that everyone that learned to practice the TM technique would have been implanted. So, the question is, are we free or are we bound? If the implant is binding, the question is, how can we free ourselves? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aryava...@yahoogroups.com wrote : But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. If you found out that you had an implant, the obviously first step would probably be to see an cult-exit counselor or visit a professional therapist. I'm not convinced that a dialog on social media would do much to negate a true implant. However, some people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. Also, your theory would imply that some of the current FFL informants who used to work for the TMO would have reinforced implants, due to the long terms of their extended service to the org. For example, one FFL informant claims to have lived at a TM Center for 29 years; another guy claimed to have lived in a pod for over two years. I would suppose that their implant would be pretty deep inside their psyche, right? In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? In fact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? That's what I'm talking about! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. I wonder how much spiritual development they are going to have to do before they gain the self-awareness necessary to understand that if someone were to make a Going Clear type documentary about the TMO featuring the denizens of FFL, it's those two who would look like the crazies. Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. What's fascinating is that the only people on the planet who seem to consider Buck and Willytex to be admirable characters are on The_Leak. The Ones Who Ran Away With Their Tails Between Their Legs can't seem to get through the day without a few posts praising Buck and Willy for sticking around and fighting the good fight. Yeah, right. As if what anyone says on a forum that maybe a couple of dozen people in the world bother to read constitutes a fight, much less a war. Imagine how sad it must be to be them -- not only believing that FFL was a war, but that they lost it. And to *Barry*. This thought alone must give them nightmares. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Apparently the few remaining FFL informants are on information overload, Buck. They are not even making any sense anymore. Good work! Even without The Corector and the 12 other TMers who quit the group. Thanks for trying to make the forum more interesting for Edg and any lurkers to read. Some people feel better when they have someone to talk to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? Some of the FFL informants have begun to take this forum way too seriously. One guy seems to have created folders for us with file names such as Tex and Buck. One time I tried to defend him when Judy called him a liar, but he apparently got angry at me - now he won't even dialog with meAnother guy set a filter to put all my messages in the trash bin. Apparently he got mad at me for calling him a rebel. LoL! What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away. That's what I'm talking about! It looks like I really hurt Barrys feelings asking about the cognitive dissonance - it's been what, 10 years since I dialoged with the guy about the human levitation. Now he doesn't even want to talk about it. He sounds really JELLOS of the yogic flyers in the dome. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-) Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there
were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a
TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had
seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably
psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping
formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Obviously everyone has an implant inside them called DNA, and it may be that some people have a predisposed inclination to join a cult, like you and some of the other FFL informants did. The question is, why did you stay so long? Living inside a pod for two years is a long time to be sleeping alone. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Apparently that's what happened to a number of the other current FFL informants. We do not know exactly why they joined a cult and worked for decades to reach enlightenment in 5-7 years. The question is, did they enjoy? Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. Meditation is based on thinking and most everyone is able to think. There are exceptions of course: you are a case in point. LoL! From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing, there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have one. From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
You're kidding, right?
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I was once in a class with this lady who was teaching a healing thing,
there were three of us former TM'ers and she said the other two had what she
called a TM hook, which she said was a psychological hook of some kind that
she had seen in TM'ers and former TM'ers. Dunno why she thought I didn't have
one.
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably
psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere.
I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant,
telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had
left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of
things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a
believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants,
from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so.
But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping
formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and
ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces,
expectations, even in the subconscious.
I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts,
which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could
feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying
my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told
my friend)
But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that
still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one
explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny
they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could
also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend?
This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for
it, but could there be something to it?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Xenu Porn
Wow. Cool. I'd love to see something like that for real - but not too close. It's good to feel humble before nature, she could wipe us out in a heartbeat. But I'm wondering, could my TM be releasing my volcanic engrams as quickly as Co$ auditing would? I remember being told that the reason I'm not yet enlightened - or clear - is that I'm processing the stress from the environment like some sort of karmic washing machine, and even that I'm processing karma from my past lives! Not hard to see that being thrown into a volcano would have deleterious effects on my eternal soul so maybe that's why I'm still stressed? I'm sure Lawson has facts and figures to hand about this and if not, why not? Why evade the big questions? I think we should organise a conference between spiritual groups like the TMO and Scientology to discuss the matter. Russell Brand can host, John Hagelin can point out the connection between Xenu and the unified field and everyone else can sit there and look embarrassed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For believers in the $cientology myth of galactic overlord and badass Xenu bringing billions of his people to Earth and throwing them into volcanoes, this time lapse segment of a Chilean volcano erupting will bring back memories of what caused all the engrams you have to pay the big bucks to get rid of through Co$ auditing. Others may like it just because it's one of those cool Wow...nature really kicks ass films... Time-Lapse Beautifully Captures Eruption Of Chile’s Calbuco Volcano http://digg.com/video/time-lapse-beautifully-captures-eruption-of-chiles-calbuco-volcano http://digg.com/video/time-lapse-beautifully-captures-eruption-of-chiles-calbuco-volcano Time-Lapse Beautifully Captures Eruption Of Chile’s Calb... http://digg.com/video/time-lapse-beautifully-captures-eruption-of-chiles-calbuco-volcano Chile's Calbuco volcano erupted on Wednesday for the first time in 42 years. At least 1,500 people were evacuated from Ensenada and other neighboring places as plum... View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/time-lapse-beautifully-captures-eruption-of-chiles-calbuco-volcano Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Genetic Dilemma...
Chinese scientists have successfully edited the genes of human embryos for the first time, confirming rumours that secret genetic experiments had been happening in the country and prompting fears that the discovery could lead to a new kind of eugenics. This has as much potential to be infinitely bad as it could be infinitely good. At the moment we don't know enough about DNA to be confident that we aren't accidentally altering something else at the same time. But we will. It's inevitable, and it's obvious that more work than this is being done in secret. We won't recognise ourselves in the not too distant future. Scientists successfully genetically modify human embryos, allowing for editing of babies’ genes http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-successfully-genetically-modify-human-embryos-allowing-for-editing-of-babies-genes-10197357.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-successfully-genetically-modify-human-embryos-allowing-for-editing-of-babies-genes-10197357.html Scientists successfully genetically modify human ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-successfully-genetically-modify-human-embryos-allowing-for-editing-of-babies-genes-10197357.html Chinese scientists have successfully edited the genes of human embryos for the first time, confirming rumours that secret genetic experiments had been... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-successfully-genetically-modify-human-embryos-allowing-for-editing-of-babies-genes-10197357.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Science doing good!
As someone who is cursed with bad asthma, this is amazing news! Asthma cure could be in reach as scientists make 'incredibly exciting' breakthrough http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/asthma-cure-could-be-in-reach-as-scientists-make-incredibly-exciting-breakthrough-10197073.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/asthma-cure-could-be-in-reach-as-scientists-make-incredibly-exciting-breakthrough-10197073.html Asthma cure could be in reach as scientists make 'in... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/asthma-cure-could-be-in-reach-as-scientists-make-incredibly-exciting-breakthrough-10197073.html An outright cure for asthma could be possible in five years if researchers establish that existing drugs for people with brittle bones can be safely used to... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/asthma-cure-could-be-in-reach-as-scientists-make-incredibly-exciting-breakthrough-10197073.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
It looks like what you have done is to transfer to me your animosities and resentments toward your former spiritual leaders. You seem to be exhibiting what's called a case of transference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I wonder how much spiritual development they are going to have to do Transference refers to exhibiting emotions related to repressed experiences, especially of adolescence, and the substitution of another person for the original experience of the repressed impulses. At some point, you are going to have to admit that in 5-7 years you failed to reach enlightenment. before they gain the self-awareness necessary to understand that if someone were to make a Going Clear type documentary about the TMO You are mistaken - I have never been associated with the TMO, I was taught how to practice TM at SIMS. In fact, it was YOU who apparently lived at a TM Center for over ten years, doing some clerical work - for what purpose we do not know. featuring the denizens of FFL, it's those two who would look like the crazies. Non sequitur. Buck the depressed whiner Non sequitur. and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's Non sequitur. probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. Non sequitur. Have you ever considered seeing a cult-exit counselor? Where is John Knapp when we need him? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... mailto:richard@... wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a bully to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met somekind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM whoulc make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it? I think that the world view of the reesh is so all encompassing that once you've been fully exposed, it takes a while and a lot of effort, to de-programme yourself. I still find odd ideas inside that I picked up in the movement so the idea of an implant - while not literal - is a good description of how the mind absorbs new ideas and defers to them, especially as most of those ideas come to you when you are in an intensely relaxed state on a rounding course just after meditating, it's brainwashing 101. And the idea that the state of inner silence is some sort of infinite ground state of reality is a good reinforcer when someone who claims to be talking from that level gives you an opinion to consider. It's all very clever and self-reinforcing and they deliberately let you in gently too so as not to scare off the newbies. Unless it's all true of course and Buck is right that we are all apostates who should be killed in drone strikes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In other words, you made up this whole Buck act out of whole cloth so you could attack the people YOU wanted to attack and whine endlessly and hopefully make lurkers think that TMers were being somehow persecuted when they weren't. How evolved of you. Nice of you to finally admit it, however. Now everyone can ignore your silly ass without feeling the least bit guilty about it. No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a total fiction. The main trouble with Bucks fanaticism is that - like Willytex's - it isn't very effective in securing its aims. They both come across as utterly demented and it doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out to them they just carry on regardless thus painting the True Believer as an unaware obsessive. Or maybe that's the idea A better approach would surely be to put your opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary. It's not complicated. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
In other words, you made up this whole Buck act out of whole cloth so you
could attack the people YOU wanted to attack and whine endlessly and hopefully
make lurkers think that TMers were being somehow persecuted when they weren't.
How evolved of you.
Nice of you to finally admit it, however. Now everyone can ignore your silly
ass without feeling the least bit guilty about it.
No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a
total fiction.
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Back sometime ago when Marek waswith us, by his example I advertized then that
the FFL list to bemore complete as a communal discussion group of substantial
materialshould need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present theTB-TM
thought here during periods when it was not represented byTB'ers themselves.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
That was for the community here.No one came forward so that was when the voice
of Buck arrived, apractical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push
skepticsand apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL communityas
like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areasof Syria.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
A push back, a kindcounter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage
beingrendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFLcommunity
by a character of intolerant writers cutting good peopledown at their knees by
employing a methodical crossfire of unkindpersonal invective as weapon against
both the TM-TB's and theexperiential-based transcendentalist members then
present on thelist.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
This larger thread is a larger searchfor better diversity of thought here on
Rick's FairfieldLife atYahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your
spock-likeunfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the
unkindculture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like thatarticle
Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their[cult] beliefs
given over to a control by their beliefs if they firstare led to act on them..
Seems you've been led far down a low pathhere with some others, possibly so far
out of the light to see yourway back up very clearly.
An evident consequence of thisis that the whole communal discussion here
suffers for your plight.As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and
others can makesome way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be
betteroff here. That might take some courage on your part to change.-JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote :
It looks like somebody posted a false analogy.
According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses
an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support
an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due
to the differences between the two objects.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees
with you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
I have no problem withconsidering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading
it here, asRick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous
hurtfulway you and others presenting here have on the discussions here.
Buck,you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they canwin
a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard.Although you
may have given up that kind of childish bullying in gradeschool, some have not
risen to that level of discourse or social skills.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Collaboration? Could many folksdare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL
anymore given the lackof self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL?
What is mostlymissing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to
process, alove enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there
tobe creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is aculture of
rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinkinghere and driven people
away.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Responding to your own posts is hardly a cool way to bring your point of view to the group, it is just like spam. I have to admit Buck, at least you have a point of view unlike one other poster here. Enlightenment is not about faith. And as a public defender of TM though, I would fire you, except of course, I would never be in a position to do that. The main reason the TB point of view is minimal here is those that have it didn't seem to have the chutzpah to pull off a decent defence. Lack of Creative Intelligence among other things in other words. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
