[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. Alex has it right, Buck has it wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : What a piss ant “apology”. You spend so much time trolling through posts to point out ‘who said what, when’. Then, when someone calls you on a mistake, you say that you ‘sure ain’t gonna go trawling through posts’. Listen, To you? No, I don't think so, thanks. You seem to have missed the fact that I'm taking Barry at his word. I don't care enough to spend time trying to catch him out on this one. He could be telling the truth, after all. And it had nothing to do with the point of my post in any case; it was just something he seized on to distract attention from the rest of what I wrote. you’ve spent at least 1/3 of your adult life doing exactly that – trawling through the posts of others. So either put up or shut the f*ck up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
S3, Anything below the Planck scale or length is eternity, Consciousness, the Self as discussed in the vedas. That is why MMY stated that consciousness is the basis of the entire universe. At the absolute level, there is only the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. Yet the eternal dynamic interaction of these values is the basis of infinite creation. This interaction created the wave function or vibration that manifested as our universe, which contain our galaxy, our Sun, the Earth, and us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? CERN's Large Hadron Collider has discovered a new class of particle http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery CERN's Large Hadron Collider has discovered a new cl... http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have announced the discovery of the pentaquark, a class of subatomic particle consisting of four quarks and one antiq... View on www.theverge.com http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Anne, The quantum foam is explained in John Hagelin's lectures on YouTube. It essentially describes the infinite creativity of the unified field, similar to the effervescent bubbles that rise up from a cola drink. Each of these bubbles represent the various universes that are created. Our universe is one of them. Thus, we have the theory of the multiverse which states that are an infinite number of universes that grow from these bubbles aside from our own. However, there is a problem in trying to prove the existence of these other universes. For example, at the present state of technology, there is no instrument on earth that can observe the existence of another universe beyond our own. IOW, you can think of our universe as a big balloon which contain our earth. But we can't detect the existence of another big balloon outside our own. Thanks for that jr. I am going to be lazy and rely on your description alone without going to watch John's youtube lectures. I was curious because quantum foam is not anything I have heard of and the term is interesting. And, of course, these concepts and the spaces they occupy are so large and so abstract in some ways that one's head starts to reel. I think quantum physicists have to be a little bit crazy to be able to conceive of and grasp the nature of these kinds of concepts. Human beings are pretty marvelous when they put their minds to it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? What the heck is quantum foam? I guess I could google it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By description, Subud it seems starts with a quieting or transcending meditation and then various kriyas can start up. That evidently is not uncommon in meditative practices. Bhairitu offers, Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation. It is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud. In tantra we have ways of removing possession. Emptybill writes: Yep, well said. Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas. MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972. s3raphita offers, Re a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system: Isn't that TM also? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote : I can't help you but there are parallels between Subud and TM I suspect. From Wiki: In the practice of the [Latihan] exercise, members are typically advised to follow 'what arises from within', not expecting anything in advance. One is recommended not to focus on any image or recite any mantra, nor to mix the exercise with other activities like meditation or use of drugs, but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time. So there's a similar focus on effortlessly going with the flow but whereas TM is purely mental, Subud is physical. It sounds to me that the two practices could complement each other. A word of warning: The method was later adopted by Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh)! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Does anybody who was made an initiator remember what Maharishi said about the practice of *Subud*? All I can remember was that anyone seeking initiation who practiced it was to stop at least six months before we could initiate them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Heartbreak Of TM's biggest failure
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The one thing TM has just never been able to help: FAT ASSES As much as you'd think the TM leaders would be all about right-living and healthy disciplines, we see that the higher ups are as fat as Baron Harkonnen. Perhaps they're all puffed up with that extra bliss. Truth: TMers have the same life-problems as any other group -- TMers have the same percentages as non-TMers for how many die young, divorce, get sick, unemployed and on and on. One has to ask: if TM means that much to the leaders, why wouldn't they at least lose weight by some other method and pretend it was TM that did it? In case you didn't hear: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- the TM Godlike Guru -- is dead. And no one with a direct connection to the Absolute has taken his place. This means fat asses will be with us until the end of days. Fat or otherwise I'm not a big fan of asses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Me: Well you got this right and I do appreciate that: Judy: (BTW, it's manner, not manor. A manner is a way of doing something; a manor is a very big house.) Me: Unfortunately for you that correcton proved my point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Curtis, this is about as convincing as your previous attempt to call me dishonest for purportedly quoting Barry out of context. And your attempts to cast Doug as dishonest are equally flabby. Whole lot of mind-reading going on, isn't there? As well as guilty-until-proven-innocent on the basis of that mind-reading, even for crimes not yet committed. I'm not buying any of it. All this fiddle-faddle is flak intended to distract from the real issues. Enough already. (BTW, it's manner, not manor. A manner is a way of doing something; a manor is a very big house.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. Alex has it right, Buck has it wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : It wasn't as if they weren't goading Doug into banning them. Why not just leave on your own steam, you know, kind of like the classic You can't fire me, I quit. ? On 07/15/2015 12:48 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Judy, IMO, the common theme with those people who were banished is defiance against an authority figure. It could be MMY, the TMO, and the moderator of FFL. Their defiance is shown as disobedience of any rules that are imposed on them by Yahoo Guidelines or the moderator's interpretation of them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : I suppose it's not impossible karma was working behind the scenes, but the reason Doug threw them off was their openly defiant incivility, not their views on the TMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all as seriously as you do and I still have a job in the real world. And anyway, Rick always took down those who blew the cover on those who wished to remain anonymous for one reason or another; it isn't just Alex who is enforcing this. My suggestion, when you do subscribe to FFL2 don't use CDB - you are easy to find even for a techno-dolt like myself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three jawdropping techniques better than TM
with that in mind, Ann, I dedicate this song to Edg. somebody to love-jefferson airplane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE somebody to love-jefferson airplane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE Your eyes may look like hers, but in your head baby, I'm afraid you don't know where it is. What did you say your favorite color was? Green? View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : TM cannot replace any of these superior techniques for improving life: 1. Sleep 2. Exercise 3. Nutrition Nor can it help with any of the problems that would arise if the above 3 were not used. You forgot # 4 which is Love; either loving or being loved.
[FairfieldLife] Why is God such a bad writer?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. Alex has it right, Buck has it wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Curtis, this is about as convincing as your previous attempt to call me dishonest for purportedly quoting Barry out of context. And your attempts to cast Doug as dishonest are equally flabby. Whole lot of mind-reading going on, isn't there? As well as guilty-until-proven-innocent on the basis of that mind-reading, even for crimes not yet committed. I'm not buying any of it. All this fiddle-faddle is flak intended to distract from the real issues. Enough already. (BTW, it's manner, not manor. A manner is a way of doing something; a manor is a very big house.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. Alex has it right, Buck has it wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By description, Subud it seems starts with a quieting or transcending meditation and then various kriyas can start up. That evidently is not uncommon in meditative practices. Bhairitu offers, Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation. It is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud. In tantra we have ways of removing possession. Emptybill writes: Yep, well said. Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas. MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972. s3raphita offers, Re a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system: Isn't that TM also? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote : I can't help you but there are parallels between Subud and TM I suspect. From Wiki: In the practice of the [Latihan] exercise, members are typically advised to follow 'what arises from within', not expecting anything in advance. One is recommended not to focus on any image or recite any mantra, nor to mix the exercise with other activities like meditation or use of drugs, but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time. So there's a similar focus on effortlessly going with the flow but whereas TM is purely mental, Subud is physical. It sounds to me that the two practices could complement each other. A word of warning: The method was later adopted by Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh)! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Does anybody who was made an initiator remember what Maharishi said about the practice of *Subud*? All I can remember was that anyone seeking initiation who practiced it was to stop at least six months before we could initiate them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three jawdropping techniques better than TM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : TM cannot replace any of these superior techniques for improving life: 1. Sleep 2. Exercise 3. Nutrition Nor can it help with any of the problems that would arise if the above 3 were not used. You forgot # 4 which is Love; either loving or being loved.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. So people get banned from FFL because they agree with Stephen Hawking now? Does the universe approve of the TMO so much it self-organises people away from the privileged few who understand, triggering some sort of cosmic adjustment that manifests in Buck's head to expel them from the forum? Is this to avoid upsetting the people who remain, maybe by offering them an alternative to think about? I find it hard to believe you are serious. Here's an interesting summary of the current state of the art of unification theories: CultureLab: Stephen Hawking says there's no theory of everything https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/09/stephen-hawking-says-theres-no-theory-of-everything.html https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/09/stephen-hawking-says-theres-no-theory-of-everything.html CultureLab: Stephen Hawking says there's no theory o... https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/09/stephen-hawking-says-theres-no-theory-of-everything.html Editorial: Hawking's faith in M-theory Craig Callender, contributor View on www.newscientist.com https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2010/09/stephen-hawking-says-theres-no-theory-of-everything.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : No, definitely a she. But...when Alex had the gall to tap on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a nagging wife, who is? But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up close and personal. They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that should be happening soon. NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if Sal is a man I'm all for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative performance of Much Ado About Nothing. Or, perhaps, they are discussing how to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts - or so they say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truth about the Rajas
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : the most transparent NGO in the whole world, hosting its communication on the web and open to anyone to watch Can you tell us how much they make from selling highly expensive and obviously totally ineffective prayers? We know the US national yagya fund rakes in $5,000,000 a year but what about the personal ones or special projects? And how much worldwide? I look forward to a comprehensive answer. Or did you mean something different by the term transparent? http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2015.html http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2015.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? No. The Planck length defines the smallest level at which things can be discriminated. After that there is no difference between anything, so not much for actual things to be made out of. I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe I like it, never heard that one before but on our Scale of the Universe app here, which starts at the size of a man, the planck length is 10 to the power of minus-35 and the largest scale is 10 to the power of 27. So we are quite a lot larger than we are small. And the universe is expanding at the speed of light so whatever figure you work out has shrunk massively by the time you've typed it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's known forces and fields arise From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. So people get banned from FFL because they agree with Stephen Hawking now? Does the universe approve of the TMO so much it self-organises people away from the privileged few who understand, triggering some sort of cosmic adjustment that manifests in Buck's head to expel them from the forum? Is this to avoid upsetting the people who remain, maybe by offering them an alternative to think about? I find it hard to believe you are serious. Do you think you understand anything Stephen Hawking has ever said? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : No, definitely a she. But...when Alex had the gall to tap on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a nagging wife, who is? But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up close and personal. They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that should be happening soon. NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if Sal is a man I'm all for it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative performance of Much Ado About Nothing. Or, perhaps, they are discussing how to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts - or so they say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's known forces and fields arise From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on TM
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : “Transcendental Meditation benefits from a vast body of 40 years of research showing very powerful long-lasting reductions in stress and sustained improvements in health.” Try telling that to the FF mental health alliance. —Norman Rosenthal, MD, renowned psychiatrist, medical researcher, and best-selling author Our Work https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html Our Work https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html Over 340 peer-reviewed studies verify the benefits of the Transcendental Meditation technique for reducing stress and improving performance and quality of life View on www.davidlynchfoun... https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Three jawdropping techniques better than TM
TM cannot replace any of these superior techniques for improving life: 1. Sleep 2. Exercise 3. Nutrition Nor can it help with any of the problems that would arise if the above 3 were not used.
[FairfieldLife] The Heartbreak Of TM's biggest failure
The one thing TM has just never been able to help: FAT ASSES As much as you'd think the TM leaders would be all about right-living and healthy disciplines, we see that the higher ups are as fat as Baron Harkonnen. Perhaps they're all puffed up with that extra bliss. Truth: TMers have the same life-problems as any other group -- TMers have the same percentages as non-TMers for how many die young, divorce, get sick, unemployed and on and on. One has to ask: if TM means that much to the leaders, why wouldn't they at least lose weight by some other method and pretend it was TM that did it? In case you didn't hear: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- the TM Godlike Guru -- is dead. And no one with a direct connection to the Absolute has taken his place. This means fat asses will be with us until the end of days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Murderers are creative!
Maharishi University of Management stabbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_University_of_Management_stabbing Maharishi University of Management stabbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_University_of_Management_stabbing The Maharishi University of Management stabbing occurred on March 1, 2004, when without provocation, a university student Shuvender Sem fatally stabbed a fellow student, Levi Butler, after Sem had attacked another student earlier in the day. The event occurred at Maharishi U... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_University_of_Management_stabbing Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Lots of ways to kill, and TMers are not slacking off -- how inventive was it to kill someone with a pen inserted into an eyeball in a cafeteria? Amazingly deep creativity! TM improves all people in all ways. And look at how nicely the TMO treated that murderer! Shows that the TMO is open-minded and compassionate -- ALL DUE TO TM!
[FairfieldLife] TM's Darkest Secret
It now turns out that all the power and money of the TM movement is entirely owned (as his own private property) by one man, a known criminal in India, named Girish. He took over the movement in an illegal international corporate raid. This man started faking being a guru, and no one in the movement has the guts to call him on it.
[FairfieldLife] TM Murderers are creative!
Lots of ways to kill, and TMers are not slacking off -- how inventive was it to kill someone with a pen inserted into an eyeball in a cafeteria? Amazingly deep creativity! TM improves all people in all ways. And look at how nicely the TMO treated that murderer! Shows that the TMO is open-minded and compassionate -- ALL DUE TO TM!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
And, yet, the brother of a Raja and husband of a former MUM trustee has provided an alternative forum for the banished that has quickly become more active than FFL. Funny how Natural Law works, eh? From the look of it, Doug is transforming this place into yet another lonely, low-traffic outpost of the Saccharinati. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Three jawdropping techniques better than TM
Yabut meditation (not necessarily TM) is a good adjunct. It can organize scatterbrains. And how much sleep? How much exercise and what kind? What kind of food and how much? It's not easy is it? On 07/15/2015 10:12 AM, Duveyoung wrote: TM cannot replace any of these superior techniques for improving life: 1. Sleep 2. Exercise 3. Nutrition Nor can it help with any of the problems that would arise if the above 3 were not used.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
Anne, The quantum foam is explained in John Hagelin's lectures on YouTube. It essentially describes the infinite creativity of the unified field, similar to the effervescent bubbles that rise up from a cola drink. Each of these bubbles represent the various universes that are created. Our universe is one of them. Thus, we have the theory of the multiverse which states that are an infinite number of universes that grow from these bubbles aside from our own. However, there is a problem in trying to prove the existence of these other universes. For example, at the present state of technology, there is no instrument on earth that can observe the existence of another universe beyond our own. IOW, you can think of our universe as a big balloon which contain our earth. But we can't detect the existence of another big balloon outside our own. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? What the heck is quantum foam? I guess I could google it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Heartbreak Of TM's biggest failure
No meditation will remove all of your samskaras so they still play out. And then there is the theory that we're all just living out a script and everything is predestined. What can happen with meditation is you witness your life more and more as if it's played out on a movie screen you're now aware of though you weren't before. Of course your mileage may vary. On 07/15/2015 10:27 AM, Duveyoung wrote: The one thing TM has just never been able to help: FAT ASSES As much as you'd think the TM leaders would be all about right-living and healthy disciplines, we see that the higher ups are as fat as Baron Harkonnen. Perhaps they're all puffed up with that extra bliss. Truth: TMers have the same life-problems as any other group -- TMers have the same percentages as non-TMers for how many die young, divorce, get sick, unemployed and on and on. One has to ask: if TM means that much to the leaders, why wouldn't they at least lose weight by some other method and pretend it was TM that did it? In case you didn't hear: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- the TM Godlike Guru -- is dead. And no one with a direct connection to the Absolute has taken his place. This means fat asses will be with us until the end of days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Judy, IMO, the common theme with those people who were banished is defiance against an authority figure. It could be MMY, the TMO, and the moderator of FFL. Their defiance is shown as disobedience of any rules that are imposed on them by Yahoo Guidelines or the moderator's interpretation of them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I suppose it's not impossible karma was working behind the scenes, but the reason Doug threw them off was their openly defiant incivility, not their views on the TMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
It wasn't as if they weren't goading Doug into banning them. On 07/15/2015 12:48 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Judy, IMO, the common theme with those people who were banished is defiance against an authority figure. It could be MMY, the TMO, and the moderator of FFL. Their defiance is shown as disobedience of any rules that are imposed on them by Yahoo Guidelines or the moderator's interpretation of them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I suppose it's not impossible karma was working behind the scenes, but the reason Doug threw them off was their openly defiant incivility, not their views on the TMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM's Darkest Secret
Uh ok show the proof of this. This is nonsense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Heartbreak Of TM's biggest failure
On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Truth: TMers have the same life-problems as any other group -- TMers have the same percentages as non-TMers for how many die young, divorce, get sick, unemployed and on and on. S: I think more actually, probably because so many refuse to use common-sense measures like check-ups and seeing a doctor (a real dr, not the fake ones over at MUM) when they get sick. This is typical: right now there’s a gofundme campaign for a guy diagnosed with testicular cancer in March who only now is beginning to seek treatment, apparently. Unsurprisinly, the cancer has spread big-time to his stomach, lungs and lymph system and it sounds like he’s at around Stage 3. Why did he let so much time elapse? Let me guess…he was hoping his diet or magic pills would cure him. From what I understand…and I’m hardly an expert…testicular cancer if caught early is one of the most treatable. And it sounds like he DID catch it early, but then did nothing. And to add to that, he has no insurance either, which I thought was now required. Put all this together and you have the recipe for some serious and predictable health disasters, at least some of which would undoubtedly be avoidable if people would just act like rational human beings, and when you get a poor diagnosis, don’t wait. I have no idea at what level this guy is on the TM food chain, but the behavior is all too familiar. Anyway, here’s the link to the campaign started for him: http://www.gofundme.com/yw2z34
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
Salyavin, From my understanding of Hawking's ideas, he does not believe of anything or anyone that created the universe. He believes that the universe created itself and does not need any god to create it. IOW, there is nothing else outside of our universe. Thus, the quantum or the smallest energy or matter started the Big Bang. As such, Hawking would not agree with Hagelin's theory of the unified field. Why? Because Hagelin believes that the unified field contains an infinite ocean of superstrings that bubble up as quantum foam or as an infinite number of universes from the Planck scale. These superstrings are ideas or notions of creation, but they cannot be measured or observed since they exist below the Planck length or scale. The idea of a superstring is an inference that they exist. As such, scientists like Hawking cannot possibly prove the superstring based on the scientific method which rely on observations, measurements, and tests. This is alternatively called the world of matter paradigm--which is the limitation of the scientific method itself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry breakings of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, From my understanding of Hawking's ideas, he does not believe of anything or anyone that created the universe. He believes that the universe created itself and does not need any god to create it. IOW, there is nothing else outside of our universe. Thus, the quantum or the smallest energy or matter started the Big Bang. Agreed. As such, Hawking would not agree with Hagelin's theory of the unified field. Why? Because Hagelin believes that the unified field contains an infinite ocean of superstrings that bubble up as quantum foam or as an infinite number of universes from the Planck scale. These superstrings are ideas or notions of creation, but they cannot be measured or observed since they exist below the Planck length or scale. Aha, I see where you went wrong, the superstrings don't exist below the Planck scale, have another look at that superb Scale of the Universe app. You see that Hawking and Hagelin are saying the same thing. Right up until Hagelin starts mixing things up with his own ideas about consciousness and yagya's and string theory. They don't mix, they are entirely his beliefs. If he was a bit clearer about that a lot of people who are interested in fundamental physics but don't know what is involved in trying to work it out, wouldn't get confused. The idea of a superstring is an inference that they exist. As such, scientists like Hawking cannot possibly prove the superstring based on the scientific method which rely on observations, measurements, and tests. This is alternatively called the world of matter paradigm--which is the limitation of the scientific method itself. The idea of something is NOT an inference that it exists. String theories are an attempt to join up mysteries in the subatomic world. A way of unifying - which means explain two or more apparently different things as being the same - in this case the two nuclear forces with electromagnetism and gravity. As with any theory the ONLY way it will be proved is by experimental testing, and here is the problem: string theory cannot be tested. There are at least as many different versions of string theories as there are atoms in the universe. And the ones they can test have been shown to be wrong. It's an idea that no one knows how to prove. And it's one of many alternatives all trying to do the same thing. This is the trouble in physics, they need an idea to tie everything up that they think they already know but no one knows how to do it. But the only way to gain knowledge is by formulating ideas and testing them experimentally. It's not a limitation, it's the only way we have of not kidding ourselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM's Darkest Secret
It's common knowledge. I dare you to try to get an official response from Bev. They are criminals in cahoots, and if you push back on this issue, your badge is pulled and you're threatened with a lawsuit. Yeah, I'm making all this up. Sue the fuck outta me for being crazy on the internet. But out of what cloth do I make things up? Rumors, gossip, and actual experience with the movement's ruthlessness. Put me into a courtroom and depose me, I beg you. And, Doug, you're a fucked up stooge if you think the TMO is not a scam from the top down and a sucker's hell from the bottom up. IFsee my conditional there? Heh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Uh ok show the proof of this. This is nonsense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Heartbreak Of TM's biggest failure
Are you saying TM the movement failed or TM the technique failed? I don't see either as a failure, albeit the movement sure lost its way. The TM technique works just fine for what it is. I got my mantra and my siddhis and said Hasta vista. I wanted no part of the movement and none was required of me to get my stuff . I had my own goals and my own Samsaras to fulfill and they were not aligned with the Organization. My karma, baby, not theirs. The TM movement as an entity whose main directive to disseminate TM is a middling success. It teaches the technique universally and reliably. Its only failure is that they charge too much and have focused on other seemingly unrelated programs, like the Pandits, which does not help get the technique to the masses in any direct way. i think the FatAsses you speak of would have been fat asses any where including the 700 Club, $cientology, the Masons, or Promise Keepers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
You have a point in space. You can go one Planck length to the right - that's the minimum length allowable. You can go one Planck length straight up at right angles to our first point - that's the minimum length allowable. But (via Pythagoras) the length between the two ends of our constructed triangle (in real space remember) is root 2: an irrational number! How is that possible? As that is not possible the idea that there is a minimum length (Planck or other) is false. Q.E.D. Don't take my musings seriously. I'm just having fun. But I did wonder about this argument. You might say there are already plenty of triangles written on blackboards with sides 1 inch/1 inch/ root 2 inches. Well yes, but the inch is just a conventional length. So irrational lengths in inches are just notional. But the Planck length sounds like an absolute length; so we get an absolute real-world irrational length! Sounds dodgy to me. Pity about this Planck length boundary. I was hoping there'd be many tiny worlds with tiny people having their own adventures . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZQ8gyUlwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZQ8gyUlwI
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM's Darkest Secret
if anyone pulls a badge over thing it is as precautionary measure vis a vis the other thing that was posted to try toput the movement in the worst possible light here, ie pulling the badge as a responsible act of prudence when someone shows mental derangement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
What a piss ant “apology”. You spend so much time trolling through posts to point out ‘who said what, when’. Then, when someone calls you on a mistake, you say that you ‘sure ain’t gonna go trawling through posts’. Listen, you’ve spent at least 1/3 of your adult life doing exactly that – trawling through the posts of others. So either put up or shut the f*ck up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
The proper context of my comment is in the paragraph below. If Judy was a professional editor of people's words I would have to call her on a completely dishonest presentation of my meaning in the paragraph I wrote. Since she cannot be held to such a high standard, perhaps her presenting what I wrote in a completely different context by her addition of the word just without the surrounding context can just be chalked up to being unfamiliar with how native English speakers use the following words: From the paragraph she refers to: ME: First he tried to make it appear as if there was a justification for removing his enemy by contriving a fey interpretation of the guidelines and pinning it on an idiotic example, criticism of Lynch. This was a classic new-to-power rookie mistake. In his eagerness to assert his personal agenda he miscalculated how transparent his agenda would be if he used an obviously bogus excuse. So backing off of that he switched to a lie, that Rick was the driving force and he was just a servant. Anyone can verify this was a deliberate lie with an email to the list owner. I did, and it turned out to be a fabrication. Here is how Judy summarizes my meaning: (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) ME: It couldn't be a deliberate misrepresentation to my intention in nailing Buck for the rookie mistake of attempting a transparent miscalculation of how transparent his move would be to others, right? Judy you are slipping. YOUR move is the actual rookie mistake. And you are not a rookie so I have to go with some other explanation. I find the two FFL groups completely exhausting in a way one FFL group was not. High five to Alex for moderating in a sane manor. When the dust settles there will only be one FFL for me. The one that is moderated the way he is doing it: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. Alex has it right, Buck has it wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM's Darkest Secret
or is engaged in slander, however nonsensical, which is a more than valid reason as well
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. I thought he had; if not, my apologies. If he did say it and is lying now, I'll allow him to get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna go trawling through his FFL2 posts looking for the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge or retract any of the false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
CORRECTION: Over on FFL2, Barry swears hysterically that he didn't say he would never read FFL posts. If not, my apologies; I thought I remembered he had. If he did say that and is lying now, I'll let him get away with it, because I sure ain't gonna trawl through his FFL2 posts to find the one in which he said it. Needless to say, he didn't acknowledge making any of the mistakes and false accusations I noted below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : UPDATE: Although Barry has insisted he will never read FFL posts, in fact he is doing exactly that. This morning he quoted my post to JR in which I noted that Doug had kicked out Barry, Xeno, and MJ not because they were critical of the TMO, but because of their defiant incivility. Barry insists I was mind-reading because, according to him, Doug never said why they were bounced; Barry claims even Rick and Alex don't know. Au contraire, Pierre. Doug was explicit as to why he threw out Xeno and MJ: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418457 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/418463 And according to Alex, ...I think full disclosure is in order. In Turq's case, the reason is apparent, but it has not been disclosed if this is just a temporary time-out or permanent (Italics added.) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/417160 I agree, the reason Barry was expelled is not just apparent but obvious. It wasn't his post about David Lynch, because Doug never deleted it, apparently having rethought that issue. (Curtis characterized Doug's initial objection to the Lynch post as just a typical rookie mistake.) I've said a couple of times now that it was Barry's open defiance of Doug--his declaration that he was going to ignore anything Doug said--that got him bounced, along with many instances of incivility (calling Doug insane, among other insults). Even if Doug wasn't counting transgressions that took place before he was appointed moderator, Barry committed more than enough of them after Doug's appointment to warrant his being thrown off the forum. There really is no mystery at all as to why Barry was kicked out, IMHO. No mind-reading necessary, only Barry's posts and a little common sense. Whether one approves in principle or not, Doug has just been doing his job as designated by Rick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: world peace through TM and TM-Sidhis
Now we actually know that you are kidding! Have you ever sat down and thought about any of this? Obviously you get some sort of personal validation from these grandiose statements but really, do you think the rest of the world is so stupid that they didn't check this out and dismiss it? If woo-woo rays were real we'd all be using them, there wouldn't be any war, there wouldn't be a police force by now and there wouldn't be a FF mental health alliance. Unless people there are so close to the awesome technology they are processing the stress of the world and it's making them temporarily unstress, I bet that old saw has been passed round the cafeteria a few times. Come on, don't just post links to the brochures, do some leg work. Think about it. They don't even offer an explanation for how it might work even if the dubious statistics were real. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ “I think the claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research program. View on www.mum.edu https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters. As such, that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute. John Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field. IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since they believe in the material world paradigm. Therefore, they believe that the quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to conclude that the universe created itself. IMO, this conclusion is illogical and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics. Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness. As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the statement that the quantum foam is conscious, what does it mean? What the heck is quantum foam? I guess I could google it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re If it's small you want: Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our judgements. It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size any-thing can possibly be, or if it is just an impassable barrier for us with our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds smaller still that we shall never be able to access? I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in one sense we really are the centre of the Universe ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex: The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in between. View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the previous one. But how far can the LHC go? In the meantime, the leading physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : The investment in the LHC is paying off. There may be other discoveries that will pave new developments in physics. But will it lead to the Unified Field? Perhaps it already has? Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's known forces and fields arise From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
I suppose it's not impossible karma was working behind the scenes, but the reason Doug threw them off was their openly defiant incivility, not their views on the TMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Thanks, Alex. I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO. It's karma in action. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big Bang. If not, I'd be very surprised. Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, perspective is quite remarkable.
