Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
salyavin, how did this subject get on both FFLs?! A kind of unification? (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 7:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, in the end of your essayhere you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they burnt GiordinoBruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In myexperience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorationsof physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely inprocess take observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It'squite objective enough in my experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another distantstar in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a torchcarrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is justsomething personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurtfeelings, that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre andlight the match? -JaiGuruYou Hmm, can't see anything in there about burning Hagelin at the stake, or anyone actually. I leave that sort of thing to religious folks who don't like the heretical opinions of apostates. Hurt feelings? That's an interesting statement. I would say no. I loved TM from the get-go but never understood the C as UF reference in the intro talk. I quizzed the teacher about whether he was serious or using an analogy but he didn't know anything about it either. But the idea he has that he has finished Einstein' work really does annoy me though, partly because it patently isn't true. Another of the reasons is that he uses his PHD to hoodwink people who don't know anything about physics into thinking that he's something he's not and that science is at a place that it's not. I think people should have more respect for the work of others rather than just use it to promote their own, wild and untested ideas. It does science a disservice you see. For everyone that goes on a TM course and gets the Hagelin lecture and goes home believing it is one person who might have become interested in what is really going on in physics. But I know people who like TM physics but not tested, working stuff because it's boring. Each to their own, I think it's sad. Go figure. One of the things I want to know is whether there actually is a connection between physics and inner consciousness. Just saying you agree with the idea doesn't help with that, I want a convincing and workable theory or link to one but I haven't seen it. Or maybe I didn't get my main points over well enough? Basically, John Hagelin is claiming that spiritual and physical unification is the same thing, not an analogy at all. And I don't understand it but I get why I'm supposed to think TM is a gateway to my own experience of it due to expansive feelings of awareness etc A unification of two ideas should make things both simpler and more powerful as explanations and gives us a deeper vision into how the world works and these mystical ideas don't do that do they? I can't explain it any better than that. I hope his ideas do get accepted though as it would be an enjoyably surreal day when he picks up his Nobel prize with his raja costume on! Long, long way to go though and stopping selling yagya's on the back of it would be a fine start for his campaign of acceptability. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common ancestor, they have changed over time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, how did this subject get on both FFLs?! A kind of unification? (-: It's more a parallel universe thing Share, one theory of physics states that atoms are shared between different realities and you would barely be able to tell the difference between the ones right next to each other. For instance, in this universe you have to be careful what you say or you may find yourself travelling through a wormhole to the other one where you also have to be careful, but not so much. Unlike in traditional multiverse concepts there is communication between these two universes and a few of us can exist in both! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 7:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, in the end of your essay here you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they burnt Giordino Bruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In my experience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorations of physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely in process take observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It's quite objective enough in my experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another distant star in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a torch carrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is just something personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurt feelings, that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre and light the match? -JaiGuruYou Hmm, can't see anything in there about burning Hagelin at the stake, or anyone actually. I leave that sort of thing to religious folks who don't like the heretical opinions of apostates. Hurt feelings? That's an interesting statement. I would say no. I loved TM from the get-go but never understood the C as UF reference in the intro talk. I quizzed the teacher about whether he was serious or using an analogy but he didn't know anything about it either. But the idea he has that he has finished Einstein' work really does annoy me though, partly because it patently isn't true. Another of the reasons is that he uses his PHD to hoodwink people who don't know anything about physics into thinking that he's something he's not and that science is at a place that it's not. I think people should have more respect for the work of others rather than just use it to promote their own, wild and untested ideas. It does science a disservice you see. For everyone that goes on a TM course and gets the Hagelin lecture and goes home believing it is one person who might have become interested in what is really going on in physics. But I know people who like TM physics but not tested, working stuff because it's boring. Each to their own, I think it's sad. Go figure. One of the things I want to know is whether there actually is a connection between physics and inner consciousness. Just saying you agree with the idea doesn't help with that, I want a convincing and workable theory or link to one but I haven't seen it. Or maybe I didn't get my main points over well enough? Basically, John Hagelin is claiming that spiritual and physical unification is the same thing, not an analogy at all. And I don't understand it but I get why I'm supposed to think TM is a gateway to my own experience of it due to expansive feelings of awareness etc A unification of two ideas should make things both simpler and more powerful as explanations and gives us a deeper vision into how the world works and these mystical ideas don't do that do they? I can't explain it any better than that. I hope his ideas do get accepted though as it would be an enjoyably surreal day when he picks up his Nobel prize with his raja costume on! Long, long way to go though and stopping selling yagya's on the back of it would be a fine start for his campaign of acceptability. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but,
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
So, in the end of your essay here you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they burnt Giordino Bruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In my experience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorations of physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely in process take observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It's quite objective enough in my experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another distant star in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a torch carrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is just something personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurt feelings, that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre and light the match? -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common ancestor, they have changed over time. Dramatic stuff. We can't imagine what the world was like before it had to come to terms with things like this. Nowadays you are considered crazy to believe anything else. We also can't imagine the world before Copernicus, Gallileo and Newton. Great unifiers the lot of them. Imagine a world where the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything else revolved round it? How do you go about discovering that was wrong? it had served us well for millenia after all. The trouble was the maths didn't work out. Nobody knew why the planets orbited like they did. Copernicus considered that the planets were unified with the Earth rather than the sun and thus of similar type and moving in a similar way. He only got laced under house arrest and got forced to recant. A big step up from Bruno. But if the Earth is moving, why don't we feel it? The answer to this is the greatest unification in science. The unification of motion and rest. Surely the two most different things imaginable? Newton confirmed it with his first law of motion. Gallileo called it the principle of relativity, motion is only apparent to an observer. Newton was also the first to realise that there are universal laws that affect all things. An apple falling from a tree is governed by the same laws of motion as a rotating galaxy millions of light years away. Far out. You can see that unification has great benefits in understanding and explaining many other phenomena. It didn't stop there either. Faraday worked out that magnetism and electricity move unseen through space by way of fields, which can be plotted mathematically and have their own set of laws. Maxwell worked out they are actually the same thing and unified the two into electromagnetism. This led to the discovery of X-rays, ultra-violet and infra-red light because if fields work on different frequencies there is nothing stopping the frequencies increasing beyond the range of our senses, and there they were! But if light is a wave in space, what is it a wave in? To the rescue came the aether. a substance that permitted light to travel in waves but matter to also move through it but without hindrance. Hmm, that sounds a bit convenient. How about matter not being matter at all and also being made out of fields then it wouldn't obstruct the aether? How about ditching the aether altogether and having light as self-interacting to move through space ? On and on it went until Einstein appeared and put the whole process into overdrive by realising that light may travel like a wave but it is fact made out of tiny particles called quanta. He proved this experimentally and thus explained a lot of problems
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, in the end of your essay here you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they burnt Giordino Bruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In my experience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorations of physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely in process take observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It's quite objective enough in my experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another distant star in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a torch carrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is just something personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurt feelings, that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre and light the match? -JaiGuruYou Hmm, can't see anything in there about burning Hagelin at the stake, or anyone actually. I leave that sort of thing to religious folks who don't like the heretical opinions of apostates. Hurt feelings? That's an interesting statement. I would say no. I loved TM from the get-go but never understood the C as UF reference in the intro talk. I quizzed the teacher about whether he was serious or using an analogy but he didn't know anything about it either. But the idea he has that he has finished Einstein' work really does annoy me though, partly because it patently isn't true. Another of the reasons is that he uses his PHD to hoodwink people who don't know anything about physics into thinking that he's something he's not and that science is at a place that it's not. I think people should have more respect for the work of others rather than just use it to promote their own, wild and untested ideas. It does science a disservice you see. For everyone that goes on a TM course and gets the Hagelin lecture and goes home believing it is one person who might have become interested in what is really going on in physics. But I know people who like TM physics but not tested, working stuff because it's boring. Each to their own, I think it's sad. Go figure. One of the things I want to know is whether there actually is a connection between physics and inner consciousness. Just saying you agree with the idea doesn't help with that, I want a convincing and workable theory or link to one but I haven't seen it. Or maybe I didn't get my main points over well enough? Basically, John Hagelin is claiming that spiritual and physical unification is the same thing, not an analogy at all. And I don't understand it but I get why I'm supposed to think TM is a gateway to my own experience of it due to expansive feelings of awareness etc A unification of two ideas should make things both simpler and more powerful as explanations and gives us a deeper vision into how the world works and these mystical ideas don't do that do they? I can't explain it any better than that. I hope his ideas do get accepted though as it would be an enjoyably surreal day when he picks up his Nobel prize with his raja costume on! Long, long way to go though and stopping selling yagya's on the back of it would be a fine start for his campaign of acceptability. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common ancestor, they have changed over time. Dramatic stuff. We can't imagine what the world was like before it had to come to terms with things like this. Nowadays you are considered crazy to believe anything else. We also can't imagine the world before Copernicus, Gallileo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Be aware that he who shall not be invoked by name subscribed to FFL2 last night. So far, he's behaving himself, and everyone else is completely ignoring him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote : Thanks for the suggestion Alex. I appreciate your taking precautions against people who wish to do real harm while we are trying to enjoy some open conversations. I think your idea makes it much clearer when someone crosses the line. If I knew then what I know now before starting on FF... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Yesterday, on FFL2, I addressed the the issue of Curtis or Vaj subscribing to FFL2. I would request that they join with email identities that search engines won't immediately link to any online presence they want to protect from search rankings shenanigans. Rick's business is Search Engine Optimization, and he understands all that stuff. Me? The only thing I know about SEO is that it exists. And, until I go into business making edible fetishware out of sous vide grass-fed brisket and have a website of my own, I'm not likely to ever know anything else about SEO. I don't want to deal with non-anonymity that needs to be protected by me according to the whims of search engine algorithms. Meet me half way: use an identity that doesn't directly link to your protected real life, and I'll smack down on anyone who posts stuff that connects the two identities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all as seriously as you do and I still have a job in the real world. And anyway, Rick always took down those who blew the cover on those who wished to remain anonymous for one reason or another; it isn't just Alex who is enforcing this. My suggestion, when you do subscribe to FFL2 don't use CDB - you are easy to find even for a techno-dolt like myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is fascinating to see it in action on someone else where it is so clear. You caught Barry in an insignificant detail about a topic's posting history, who brought the topic up. Of maybe you didn't really catch a mistake, I am not going to dig through the posts to find out if Barry even said it this way. It misses the point which is: Barry noticed that Doug was giving a positive spin on Subud which when I was made a teacher was one of the only groups of people we were not allowed to initiate. My guess is that someone from this group went all flying room at initiation because they go off whenever hypnotic conditions are present. Or maybe the very superstitions Maharishi was afraid of them. It isn't Barry accusing Buck he is making a joke which Judy completely misses because she has her must-get- Barry spin contacts on and she can't take them off. Given Buck's penchant for adapting different writing styles and old timey language Barry made a joke about Buck perhaps having an issue with spirit possession. And since I have heard from at least two Fairfielders that his persona in person is radically different from who shows up here, he may be on to something. I keep going back and forth between: she really doesn't understand a writer's point, to: she is using this distraction technique to manufacture complaints about someone who is now on a completely different forum now, but is followed by disciples here as if there was still on FFL. All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real. First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL and to read whatever he wrote that offended them. Now his magical woo woo has extended across groups and he can force people who claimed they want nothing to do with him to scurry over to another group, click on what he writes, and then get their outrage buzz so they can then scurry back here and report how bad he is. If it ain't spirit possession then it is some mighty big mojo on the loose. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : BARRY BULLETIN: Barry's in a state of some considerable confusion. He's accusing Doug of having brought up Subud here and of seeming to promote it; he wonders whether Doug has been secretly *practicing* Subud for some time. Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up (see last quoted post below). Doug didn't even speak up until after Mike, Bhairitu, S3raphita, and emptybill had been discussing Subud for 10 posts. I'm telling you, it really is another world over there on FFL2. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By description, Subud it seems starts with a quieting or transcending meditation and then various kriyas can start up. That evidently is not uncommon in meditative practices. Bhairitu offers, Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation. It is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud. In tantra we have ways of removing possession. Emptybill writes: Yep, well said. Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas. MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I'm not sure I see the point of these Barry bulletins. Why don't you post them on FFL2? Barry is no longer on this forum, and I doubt whether anyone here wants to read about him. He was booted off for very good reasons, so why keep raising his ghost here? Me: I think it is obviously because Barry cannot defend himself here. So he whole premise that he had to be removed because he was so scary and awful that tender hearts needed to be protected from him turns out to be a ruse. It is still a game of gotcha on Barry but now some posters here can do it without seeing his response on this site, they have to click another tab on their browser to get their Barry fix. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Below is Barry's comment on my bulletin (posted only a little over a half-hour later--he must have been checking FFL every hour or so). Note that he doesn't acknowledge his biggest goof, that it was Doug who brought up Subud. That wasn't part of the joke; that was Barry being so anxious to find something to bash Doug with that he just didn't notice who had made the first post. (Or maybe he did notice and figured nobody on FFL2 would bother to check, so he'd get away with the lie.) Note also that I didn't even mention the possessed idea. That was obviously what Barry thinks of as a joke and was what the smiley face referred to. And of course Doug wouldn't have bothered to respond, much less freak out. I think Barry has been *shattered* by the events of the past months, starting with the consequences of his baby-abuse post in November. And now he's penned in with people who think like he does, and none of his usual targets within easy striking distance. He's having a very tough time keeping himself together, and it's only going to get worse. Didn't you notice the smiley face at the end of my post? I was mainly joking about Doug actually practicing Subud, although the idea of him being possessed really *would* explain much. :-) I posted what I did to see whether he'd freak out and post something insane over on FFL in response. So far, the only person who has done that, however, was the Judenator. She's dumb enough to fall for *anything*. :-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Correct-a-mundo! Yes, I made the original post. I was bringing up the subject to see how many people remembered what Maharishi said about it. He did not like it at all. Seems he had some knowledge about it, I thought , from traveling in and around Indonesia and Singapore. He did say it had something to do with Spirit possession and caused problems with mind/body coordination. We were not to initiate anyone practicing it until they had given it up for at least six months. He, M, was very serious about it. I came away with the impression, from what M was saying, that it was worse, for your evolution, than doing drugs. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers BARRY BULLETIN: Barry's in a state of some considerable confusion. He's accusing Doug of having brought up Subud here and of seeming to promote it; he wonders whether Doug has been secretly *practicing* Subud for some time. Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up (see last quoted post below). Doug didn't even speak up until after Mike, Bhairitu, S3raphita, and emptybill had been discussing Subud for 10 posts. I'm telling you, it really is another world over there on FFL2. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Thanks for the suggestion Alex. I appreciate your taking precautions against people who wish to do real harm while we are trying to enjoy some open conversations. I think your idea makes it much clearer when someone crosses the line. If I knew then what I know now before starting on FF... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Yesterday, on FFL2, I addressed the the issue of Curtis or Vaj subscribing to FFL2. I would request that they join with email identities that search engines won't immediately link to any online presence they want to protect from search rankings shenanigans. Rick's business is Search Engine Optimization, and he understands all that stuff. Me? The only thing I know about SEO is that it exists. And, until I go into business making edible fetishware out of sous vide grass-fed brisket and have a website of my own, I'm not likely to ever know anything else about SEO. I don't want to deal with non-anonymity that needs to be protected by me according to the whims of search engine algorithms. Meet me half way: use an identity that doesn't directly link to your protected real life, and I'll smack down on anyone who posts stuff that connects the two identities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all as seriously as you do and I still have a job in the real world. And anyway, Rick always took down those who blew the cover on those who wished to remain anonymous for one reason or another; it isn't just Alex who is enforcing this. My suggestion, when you do subscribe to FFL2 don't use CDB - you are easy to find even for a techno-dolt like myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Find A TM Hooker In Fairfield
Before that, she asks you for three references from recertified governors. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: Was it easy?
[FairfieldLife] At Least She Left Him The Important Thing
And he made the most of it. How fun. http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/ http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, in the end of your essay here you would burn Hagelin at the stake like they burnt Giordino Bruno for introducing a complex idea of unification? In my experience I am fine with the 'parallelism' between the explorations of physics and experience of inner consciousness. Yep, absolutely in process take observation, draw hypothesis and make tests. It's quite objective enough in my experience and in replication evidently. As with Bruno's observation and idea, civilized folks could sit with this in process testing it some more and in time in a direction may seem more evident, like our sun has become but another distant star in mortal time. But stay the match, Hagelin is okay being a torch carrier on this present version of unification. Or, maybe it is just something personal you have with Hagelin or his guru, some hurt feelings, that you'd like to see either of them on a funeral pyre and light the match? -JaiGuruYou Hmm, can't see anything in there about burning Hagelin at the stake, or anyone actually. I leave that sort of thing to religious folks who don't like the heretical opinions of apostates. Hurt feelings? That's an interesting statement. I would say no. I loved TM from the get-go but never understood the C as UF reference in the intro talk. I quizzed the teacher about whether he was serious or using an analogy but he didn't know anything about it either. But the idea he has that he has finished Einstein' work really does annoy me though, partly because it patently isn't true. Another of the reasons is that he uses his PHD to hoodwink people who don't know anything about physics into thinking that he's something he's not and that science is at a place that it's not. I think people should have more respect for the work of others rather than just use it to promote their own, wild and untested ideas. It does science a disservice you see. For everyone that goes on a TM course and gets the Hagelin lecture and goes home believing it is one person who might have become interested in what is really going on in physics. But I know people who like TM physics but not tested, working stuff because it's boring. Each to their own, I think it's sad. Go figure. One of the things I want to know is whether there actually is a connection between physics and inner consciousness. Just saying you agree with the idea doesn't help with that, I want a convincing and workable theory or link to one but I haven't seen it. Or maybe I didn't get my main points over well enough? Basically, John Hagelin is claiming that spiritual and physical unification is the same thing, not an analogy at all. And I don't understand it but I get why I'm supposed to think TM is a gateway to my own experience of it due to expansive feelings of awareness etc A unification of two ideas should make things both simpler and more powerful as explanations and gives us a deeper vision into how the world works and these mystical ideas don't do that do they? I can't explain it any better than that. I hope his ideas do get accepted though as it would be an enjoyably surreal day when he picks up his Nobel prize with his raja costume on! Long, long way to go though and stopping selling yagya's on the back of it would be a fine start for his campaign of acceptability. Wonderful writing here and in your previous post. I need to spend more time taking it all in, as my world doesn't encompass a knowledge or even a previous desire to explore these ideas. A+ though and I'll give you an award for maybe not the longest post ever made but at least a high quality one. I Iook forward to those who will, inevitably, respond to these ideas with greater insight and wisdom than me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Find A TM Hooker In Fairfield
Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: Was it easy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Comments start here: A: Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. Me20: I don't believe you have a firm grasp on the concept of free speech. By your mocking presentation I am gunna guess that you live in a society that protects it so you take it for granted. A: As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? Me2: This is why I took the time to answer. I can hardly believe that I would have to explain this.This is an odd spin that I am doing something that I am afraid of someone knowing about. I don't want a potential employer's first impression of me when that Google me is a post from a site I use for discussing philosophical beliefs, some of which are in a category that has been persecuted in society for most of human history. Do I try in my real life to stay off religious topics when I am at the company picnic? Yeah, I do because I understand appropriate context. I also don't drop F bombs around kids.In terms of discussion spirituality that is usually reserved for close personal friends. FFL has been a community where I am able to discuss my inner beliefs or lack of them. Think of jacking up the search engines like dropping a person right next to their boss at the dinner table while in the middle of a stand up comedy Aristocrats joke competition. And you can't stop from completing the joke once you land. The Aristocrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats The Aristocrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats The Aristocrats (also known as The Debonaires or The Sophisticates in some tellings) is a taboo-defying off-color joke that has been told by numerous stand-up comedians since the vaudeville era. Over time it has evolved from a clichéd staple of ... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats Preview by Yahoo A: If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all as seriously as you do and I still have a job in the real world. Me: You own your own business that does not get scrutinized by the highly charged politically correct filter of school systems. When I worked with the public in a capacity closer to yours, I didn't care either. Now I have to. A: And anyway, Rick always took down those who blew the cover on those who wished to remain anonymous for one reason or another; it isn't just Alex who is enforcing this. My suggestion, when you do subscribe to FFL2 don't use CDB - you are easy to find even for a techno-dolt like myself. Me: If you self identify as a techno-dolt you may not be the best person to
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Find A TM Hooker In Fairfield
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Before that, she asks you for three references from recertified governors. And then wonders if you went deep when it's over. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: Was it easy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
Thanks for the heads up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Be aware that he who shall not be invoked by name subscribed to FFL2 last night. So far, he's behaving himself, and everyone else is completely ignoring him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Thanks for the suggestion Alex. I appreciate your taking precautions against people who wish to do real harm while we are trying to enjoy some open conversations. I think your idea makes it much clearer when someone crosses the line. If I knew then what I know now before starting on FF... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Yesterday, on FFL2, I addressed the the issue of Curtis or Vaj subscribing to FFL2. I would request that they join with email identities that search engines won't immediately link to any online presence they want to protect from search rankings shenanigans. Rick's business is Search Engine Optimization, and he understands all that stuff. Me? The only thing I know about SEO is that it exists. And, until I go into business making edible fetishware out of sous vide grass-fed brisket and have a website of my own, I'm not likely to ever know anything else about SEO. I don't want to deal with non-anonymity that needs to be protected by me according to the whims of search engine algorithms. Meet me half way: use an identity that doesn't directly link to your protected real life, and I'll smack down on anyone who posts stuff that connects the two identities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all as seriously as you do and I still have a job in the real world. And anyway, Rick always took down those who blew the cover on those who wished to remain anonymous for one reason or another; it isn't just Alex who is enforcing this. My suggestion, when you do subscribe to FFL2 don't use CDB - you are easy to find even for a techno-dolt like myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Find A TM Hooker In Fairfield
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Before that, she asks you for three references from recertified governors. And then wonders if you went deep when it's over. That's after she's asked you Is that condom organic? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: Was it easy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is fascinating to see it in action on someone else where it is so clear. You caught Barry in an insignificant detail about a topic's posting history, who brought the topic up. Of maybe you didn't really catch a mistake, I am not going to dig through the posts to find out if Barry even said it this way. It misses the point which is: Barry noticed that Doug was giving a positive spin on Subud which when I was made a teacher was one of the only groups of people we were not allowed to initiate. My guess is that someone from this group went all flying room at initiation because they go off whenever hypnotic conditions are present. Or maybe the very superstitions Maharishi was afraid of them. It isn't Barry accusing Buck he is making a joke which Judy completely misses because she has her must-get- Barry spin contacts on and she can't take them off. Given Buck's penchant for adapting different writing styles and old timey language Barry made a joke about Buck perhaps having an issue with spirit possession. And since I have heard from at least two Fairfielders that his persona in person is radically different from who shows up here, he may be on to something. I keep going back and forth between: she really doesn't understand a writer's point, to: she is using this distraction technique to manufacture complaints about someone who is now on a completely different forum now, but is followed by disciples here as if there was still on FFL. All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real. First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL and to read whatever he wrote that offended them. Now his magical woo woo has extended across groups and he can force people who claimed they want nothing to do with him to scurry over to another group, click on what he writes, and then get their outrage buzz so they can then scurry back here and report how bad he is. If it ain't spirit possession then it is some mighty big mojo on the loose. There's all this bleed between groups. I vote for stronger bandaids. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Comments start here: A: Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. Me20: I don't believe you have a firm grasp on the concept of free speech. By your mocking presentation I am gunna guess that you live in a society that protects it so you take it for granted. Nope. In case you missed it when I posted it before here it is again: A: As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? Me2: This is why I took the time to answer. I can hardly believe that I would have to explain this.This is an odd spin that I am doing something that I am afraid of someone knowing about. I don't want a potential employer's first impression of me when that Google me is a post from a site I use for discussing philosophical beliefs, some of which are in a category that has been persecuted in society for most of human history. I don't believe you. I think it is more likely that some of the discussions you get into with certain people here have escalated and morphed into the kind of shit slinging that you don't want potential employers to see. At the same time they can read other stuff here and realize it is a bit of a shooting gallery with trolls galore and that it's where you choose to spend your time. It is also a far cry from being a religious or spiritual site and could never be mistaken for one. Call me deluded. Do I try in my real life to stay off religious topics when I am at the company picnic? Yeah, I do because I understand appropriate context. I also don't drop F bombs around kids.In terms of discussion spirituality that is usually reserved for close personal friends. FFL has been a community where I am able to discuss my inner beliefs or lack of them. Think of jacking up the search engines like dropping a person right next to their boss at the dinner table while in the middle of a stand up comedy Aristocrats joke competition. And you can't stop from completing the joke once you land. The Aristocrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats The Aristocrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats The Aristocrats (also known as The Debonaires or The Sophisticates in some tellings) is a taboo-defying off-color joke that has been told by numerous stand-up comedians since the vaudeville era. Over time it has evolved from a clichéd staple of ... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats Preview by Yahoo A: If you are another thing here then who are you in the real world? I just can't take this all
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Save them for what? But here is my point, anyone can find you, even techno-dolts if they go google your handle here. It doesn't take a technical genius which neither you or I, apparently, are. Now go nurse those fingers so you can continue to berate us all about lack of freedom of speech here. Me: You are conflating issues together which is part of your misunderstanding. Understanding my point doesn't seem to be your goal and I am fine with that. BTW I am not berating us all about free speech here, I have made my point about Buck's style of moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: Protecting people who post from asshole trolls with bad intentions, and letting adults express themselves the way they want. I hope it is back at the original FFL site because of the legacy of all we have put into this place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : It's funny because that is exactly how I feel about FFL now. Aren't people just so interesting how they can see something in such very different ways? I mean it, this just never fails to fascinate me. M: I guess my comment only makes sense in context of what Alex has done with with people who are trying to get at people in the real world on the Freer site. He is erring on the side of thoughtful caution to promote an environment for free speech. Sure people say things that may hurt other's feelings. He is not going after that. He is taking out people who are going beyond that. And even though I love Edg as a brother, I thought Alex's correction of his hyperbole about stalking Buck in he real world was a good call as he clarified what Edg really meant. He is providing actual safety without curtailing free speech. Comments start here: A: Free speech sounds very positive and something we all want, right? But free speech as demonstrated on FFL and a million other forums around the planet often takes the form of gratuitous insults and mean-spirited bullshit and, yes, trolling. When someone wants to say something, anything, and they want the right to say it, no matter the consequences, they might describe this as free speech and aren't we all just a little bit enamored of this idea as promoted by our very constitution of the UUUnited States. But, for me, the idea of freedom of speech as it manifests itself at, of all places FFL, makes me laugh because I just can't take it seriously. If Doug were to ban me tomorrow for spelling meditation wrong I would simply walk away and fail to, in any way, feel like my right to freedom of speech was taken away. Me20: I don't believe you have a firm grasp on the concept of free speech. By your mocking presentation I am gunna guess that you live in a society that protects it so you take it for granted. Nope. In case you missed it when I posted it before here it is again: A: As far as the trying to get at people in the real world I would ask you this: what is it about what you are doing at FFL that you are afraid of others knowing about? What is it that you don't feel okay about? I mean, are you someone who is one thing in the real world and another thing here? Me2: This is why I took the time to answer. I can hardly believe that I would have to explain this.This is an odd spin that I am doing something that I am afraid of someone knowing about. I don't want a potential employer's first impression of me when that Google me is a post from a site I use for discussing philosophical beliefs, some of which are in a category that has been persecuted in society for most of human history. I don't believe you. I think it is more likely that some of the discussions you get into with certain people here have escalated and morphed into the kind of shit slinging that you don't want potential employers to see. At the same time they can read other stuff here and realize it is a bit of a shooting gallery with trolls galore and that it's where you choose to spend your time. It is also a far cry from being a religious or spiritual site and could never be mistaken for one. Call me deluded. Do I try in my real life to stay off religious topics when I am at the company picnic? Yeah, I do because I understand appropriate context. I also don't drop F bombs around kids.In terms of discussion spirituality that is usually reserved for close personal friends. FFL has been a community where I am able to discuss my inner beliefs or lack of them. Think of jacking up the search engines like dropping a person right next to their boss at the dinner table while in the middle of a stand up comedy Aristocrats joke competition. And you can't stop from completing the joke once you land. The Aristocrats
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re It's as speculative and unlikely as John's theories about consciousness.: I find John's theories about consciousness close to my own idealist views. I'll try and do a post about unification and where consciousness fits in, it's got me most baffled Re There's an old saying: The universe may not only be stranger than we suppose but stranger than we can suppose. I think it's rubbish.: Sounds like salutary humility about our oh-so-human limitations. Unbridled optimism I call it. Can't do science without it. While people still look for problems with what we know they will still try and solve them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is fascinating to see it in action on someone else where it is so clear. Looks like you're angling to take over the Master of Inadvertent Irony title, Curtis. You're so anxious to Get Judy that you completely missed *my* point. You caught Barry in an insignificant detail about a topic's posting history, who brought the topic up. Not at all insignificant. The Doug-bash Barry was intent on making wouldn't have been nearly as effective if Doug were seen to have only commented on the thread 10 posts in, rather than having initiated it as Barry claimed. Of maybe you didn't really catch a mistake, I am not going to dig through the posts to find out if Barry even said it this way. Right, Curtis, that dishonest Judy probably just made it up. Here's the beginning of the post: I ask seriously, because of a couple of threads he's ranting on over on FFL. A few days ago he brought up the practice of Subud, asking if people had ever heard Maharishi ever talk about it. (I ask seriously refers to Barry's subject heading, Is Doug Hamilton Possessed?) It misses the point which is: No, Curtis, I know what Barry's point was. Ha ha, Doug is possessed (see the subject heading). Just FYI, getting the joke does not necessarily also involve thinking it's funny. By me, this one was pretty dumb; and I was making a very different point in any case. Barry noticed that Doug was giving a positive spin on Subud It seemed to me that he was asking about the basis for the very negative spin the others were putting on it. But that isn't my point either. Basically, it's that Barry is losing it. He's so wrapped up in Doug-hatred, so obsessed with bashing Doug, that he misread Mike Dixon as DHamilton. (Or he didn't but assumed he wouldn't get caught in the lie.) Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But one thing making it easier is that he can now lie freely about FFL, its moderator, and its TM supporters. It seems to me that's a fact of potential interest to FFLers. YMMV, of course. which when I was made a teacher was one of the only groups of people we were not allowed to initiate. My guess is that someone from this group went all flying room at initiation because they go off whenever hypnotic conditions are present. Or maybe the very superstitions Maharishi was afraid of them. It isn't Barry accusing Buck he is making a joke which Judy completely misses because she has her must-get- Barry spin contacts on and she can't take them off. Given Buck's penchant for adapting different writing styles and old timey language Barry made a joke about Buck perhaps having an issue with spirit possession. And since I have heard from at least two Fairfielders that his persona in person is radically different from who shows up here, he may be on to something. I keep going back and forth between: she really doesn't understand a writer's point, to: she is using this distraction technique to manufacture complaints about someone who is now on a completely different forum now, but is followed by disciples here as if there was still on FFL. All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real. First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL and to read whatever he wrote that offended them. Now his magical woo woo has extended across groups and he can force people who claimed they want nothing to do with him to scurry over to another group, click on what he writes, and then get their outrage buzz so they can then scurry back here and report how bad he is. If it ain't spirit possession then it is some mighty big mojo on the loose. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : BARRY BULLETIN: Barry's in a state of some considerable confusion. He's accusing Doug of having brought up Subud here and of seeming to promote it; he wonders whether Doug has been secretly *practicing* Subud for some time. Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up (see last quoted post below). Doug didn't even speak up until after Mike, Bhairitu, S3raphita, and emptybill had been discussing Subud for 10 posts. I'm telling you, it really is another world over there on FFL2. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common ancestor, they have changed over time. Dramatic stuff. We can't imagine what the world was like before it had to come to terms with things like this. Nowadays you are considered crazy to believe anything else. We also can't imagine the world before Copernicus, Gallileo and Newton. Great unifiers the lot of them. Imagine a world where the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything else revolved round it? How do you go about discovering that was wrong? it had served us well for millenia after all. The trouble was the maths didn't work out. Nobody knew why the planets orbited like they did. Copernicus considered that the planets were unified with the Earth rather than the sun and thus of similar type and moving in a similar way. He only got laced under house arrest and got forced to recant. A big step up from Bruno. But if the Earth is moving, why don't we feel it? The answer to this is the greatest unification in science. The unification of motion and rest. Surely the two most different things imaginable? Newton confirmed it with his first law of motion. Gallileo called it the principle of relativity, motion is only apparent to an observer. Newton was also the first to realise that there are universal laws that affect all things. An apple falling from a tree is governed by the same laws of motion as a rotating galaxy millions of light years away. Far out. You can see that unification has great benefits in understanding and explaining many other phenomena. It didn't stop there either. Faraday worked out that magnetism and electricity move unseen through space by way of fields, which can be plotted mathematically and have their own set of laws. Maxwell worked out they are actually the same thing and unified the two into electromagnetism. This led to the discovery of X-rays, ultra-violet and infra-red light because if fields work on different frequencies there is nothing stopping the frequencies increasing beyond the range of our senses, and there they were! But if light is a wave in space, what is it a wave in? To the rescue came the aether. a substance that permitted light to travel in waves but matter to also move through it but without hindrance. Hmm, that sounds a bit convenient. How about matter not being matter at all and also being made out of fields then it wouldn't obstruct the aether? How about ditching the aether altogether and having light as self-interacting to move through space ? On and on it went until Einstein appeared and put the whole process into overdrive by realising that light may travel like a wave but it is fact made out of tiny particles called quanta. He proved this experimentally and thus explained a lot of problems with electromagnetism and also got a Noble prize for his effort, plus the idea gave birth to quantum theory. For an encore he unified motion, matter, space and time, proving that light does indeed travel in straight lines it's just that space is bent by the presence of matter and that nothing can go faster than light and matter and energy are interchangeable. Cue a great many new theories about the birth and fate of the universe, atomic bombs etc.. What has any of this highly simplified story of modern science's quest for understanding got to do with spiritual unification I hear you cry? Good question, and it's the one I'd most like to know the answer to. I've used the pre-amble here to illustrate the power of unification in explaining the world we see and highlight the improvements in understanding and prediction that it brings when two previously different things are realised to be the same. It is world changing when it works and opens new avenues to explore. One of Einstein's
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
Me: Touche ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real. First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL and to read whatever he wrote that offended them. Now his magical woo woo has extended across groups and he can force people who claimed they want nothing to do with him to scurry over to another group, click on what he writes, and then get their outrage buzz so they can then scurry back here and report how bad he is. (snip) This didn't occur to me at first, but in the above one could substitute Doug for Barry and on FFL2 for here, and it would make just as much sense.
[FairfieldLife] Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Velociraptors looked like 'big fluffy birds from hell' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Velociraptors looked like 'big fluffy birds from hel... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Velociraptors might have looked like “big fluffy birds from hell”, that couldn’t fly, according to research based on a new fossil. View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Now that would be a challenge to train as a falconry bird!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) All I know is that Barry's spirit has possessed some people here fer real real. First he forced them to click on his posts when he was on FFL and to read whatever he wrote that offended them. Now his magical woo woo has extended across groups and he can force people who claimed they want nothing to do with him to scurry over to another group, click on what he writes, and then get their outrage buzz so they can then scurry back here and report how bad he is. (snip) This didn't occur to me at first, but in the above one could substitute Doug for Barry and on FFL2 for here, and it would make just as much sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re It's as speculative and unlikely as John's theories about consciousness.: I find John's theories about consciousness close to my own idealist views. Far out. I don't even understand John's theories about consciousness! Re There's an old saying: The universe may not only be stranger than we suppose but stranger than we can suppose. I think it's rubbish.: Sounds like salutary humility about our oh-so-human limitations. Absolutely. But is the universe a thing not to be explained? To approach a problem with the idea that it can't be solved will drain the enthusiasm somewhat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp3iHjGBfT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp3iHjGBfT4 Good movie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is fascinating to see it in action on someone else where it is so clear. Looks like you're angling to take over the Master of Inadvertent Irony title, Curtis. You're so anxious to Get Judy that you completely missed *my* point. You caught Barry in an insignificant detail about a topic's posting history, who brought the topic up. Not at all insignificant. The Doug-bash Barry was intent on making wouldn't have been nearly as effective if Doug were seen to have only commented on the thread 10 posts in, rather than having initiated it as Barry claimed. Me2: It was a joke about Buck being possessed. I know from experience nothing will dissuade you once you run down your own rabbit hole so I wont even try to untangle it. Of maybe you didn't really catch a mistake, I am not going to dig through the posts to find out if Barry even said it this way. Right, Curtis, that dishonest Judy probably just made it up. Here's the beginning of the post: I ask seriously, because of a couple of threads he's ranting on over on FFL. A few days ago he brought up the practice of Subud, asking if people had ever heard Maharishi ever talk about it. (I ask seriously refers to Barry's subject heading, Is Doug Hamilton Possessed?) It misses the point which is: No, Curtis, I know what Barry's point was. Ha ha, Doug is possessed (see the subject heading). Just FYI, getting the joke does not necessarily also involve thinking it's funny. By me, this one was pretty dumb; and I was making a very different point in any case. Me2: Yes you clarified that Barry was wrong about Buck bringing it up and tried to shift the attention to that. Barry noticed that Doug was giving a positive spin on Subud It seemed to me that he was asking about the basis for the very negative spin the others were putting on it. But that isn't my point either. Basically, it's that Barry is losing it. He's so wrapped up in Doug-hatred, so obsessed with bashing Doug, that he misread Mike Dixon as DHamilton. (Or he didn't but assumed he wouldn't get caught in the lie.) Me2: And this from the person who brought FFL the apt and clever phrase: inadvertent irony. He got a detail wrong but the point of the joke had to do with what Buck wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” Me2: Buck took a positive spin on the only spiritual practice I ever heard Maharishi mention as an impediment to TM practice. It IS pretty funny to me too. I was not aware of the thread till Buck commented on it either. Judy: Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But one thing making it easier is that he can now lie freely about FFL, its moderator, and its TM supporters. It seems to me that's a fact of potential interest to FFLers. Me2: I have people whose posts I don't read so I don't get this power he holds on you. All this drama about having to create a new group because of him seems bogus to me. If you don't like someone, don't read them. If you decide to read them, then enjoy the ride you are creating by doing so. I enjoy our conversations even though we don't agree on much and I often feel misrepresented by you. I don't really get why you can't see that Barry provides you with your favorite writing prompts here no matter where he is posting. Judy YMMV, of course. which when I was made a teacher was one of the only groups of people we were not allowed to initiate. My guess is that someone from this group went
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Now that would be a challenge to train as a falconry bird! That's a hobby of yours isn't it? Cool. I had a friend with a pair of some sort of eagle. Can't remember the name but I took some photo's of them once. Awesomely beautiful and keenly purposeful things. These small bipedal dinosaurs may not be that disimilar to birds though as they are their direct descendants. Or rather they share a common ancestor, there were plenty of birds in the cretaceous sky by the time velociraptors lived. I went to an exhibition of dinosaur/bird crossover fossils once. Evolution caught in the act. They were amazing specimens, preserved in fine limestone you could see every feather and tooth. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jurassic Park: our feathered friends... Velociraptors looked like 'big fluffy birds from hell' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Velociraptors looked like 'big fluffy birds from hel... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Velociraptors might have looked like “big fluffy birds from hell”, that couldn’t fly, according to research based on a new fossil. View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/velociraptors-looked-like-big-fluffy-birds-from-hell-new-fossil-find-suggests-10396811.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is this Unification I keep hearing about?
Your essay summarizes very well the history of western science. However, we have already discussed in earlier posts that Hagelin's theory cannot be proved by the scientific method because the superstrings reside in the unified field and therefore cannot be objectively measured, observed, quantified and analyzed. As such, the scientific method has reached its limit. IMO, scientists particularly in physics would have to rely on mathematics to prove the theoretical existence and the validity of their theories. It is not using the scientific method in the purist sense. But the scientific proof can be qualified to state that a particular theory has a valid mathematical justification for it, but experiments have not been conducted to prove it due to the Planck scale limitation. For example, Leonard Susskind from Stanford University is trying to prove that the universe functions like a hologram. He has an understandable explanation for his ideas, but he still has to convince the science community that the mathematics behind his ideas is accurate. As such, he is teaming up with another researcher from UC Berkley who has developed a mathematical equation to describe the holographic nature of Black Holes. Both scientists are hopeful they can use this equation to prove the holographic nature of the universe as well. But in a practical sense, these theories cannot be physically tested for their existence at the unified field or at the edge of the universe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In the 15th century a chap called Giordino Bruno had an astounding idea. He theorised that the sun is just another star but much closer than the others which is why it is so much bigger and brighter than them. Seems astoundingly obvious to us now but in those days it was a revolutionary thought - and a heretical one as far as the church was concerned - it was also the first unification in physics. Unification means the bringing together of different things, things thought to be different. To be fair to his contemporaries who scoffed, there was no way to test this radical viewpoint but, unfortunately for Bruno, scientists weren't treated with the respect they are now and the implication that there were other worlds - and therefore other people - was too much for the church and he was burned at the stake for his trouble. Many more unification's followed, some of them were right and some were found to be wrong and got discarded. The successful ones all founded amazing and rich new sciences. Darwin unified all life on Earth. Where previously it had been thought that species were eternal and created by god for some specific lifestyle, Darwin showed that not only are they all related via a common ancestor, they have changed over time. Dramatic stuff. We can't imagine what the world was like before it had to come to terms with things like this. Nowadays you are considered crazy to believe anything else. We also can't imagine the world before Copernicus, Gallileo and Newton. Great unifiers the lot of them. Imagine a world where the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything else revolved round it? How do you go about discovering that was wrong? it had served us well for millenia after all. The trouble was the maths didn't work out. Nobody knew why the planets orbited like they did. Copernicus considered that the planets were unified with the Earth rather than the sun and thus of similar type and moving in a similar way. He only got laced under house arrest and got forced to recant. A big step up from Bruno. But if the Earth is moving, why don't we feel it? The answer to this is the greatest unification in science. The unification of motion and rest. Surely the two most different things imaginable? Newton confirmed it with his first law of motion. Gallileo called it the principle of relativity, motion is only apparent to an observer. Newton was also the first to realise that there are universal laws that affect all things. An apple falling from a tree is governed by the same laws of motion as a rotating galaxy millions of light years away. Far out. You can see that unification has great benefits in understanding and explaining many other phenomena. It didn't stop there either. Faraday worked out that magnetism and electricity move unseen through space by way of fields, which can be plotted mathematically and have their own set of laws. Maxwell worked out they are actually the same thing and unified the two into electromagnetism. This led to the discovery of X-rays, ultra-violet and infra-red light because if fields work on different frequencies there is nothing stopping the frequencies increasing beyond the range of our senses, and there they were! But if light is a wave in space, what is it a wave in? To the rescue came the aether. a substance that permitted light to travel in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning
There is some lot of truth to this article. Rick has certainly seen this on his FFL group at yahoo. -JaiGuruYou The foundations of the Internet were laid on free expression, but the founders just did not understand how effective their creation would be for the coordination and amplification of harassing behavior. Or that the users who were the biggest bullies would be rewarded with attention for their behavior. Or that young people would come to see this bullying as the norm — as something to emulate in an effort to one-up each other. As the Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/facing-challenge-online-harassment, which was founded to help protect Internet civil liberties, concluded this year: “The sad irony is that online harassers misuse the fundamental strength of the Internet as a powerful communication medium to magnify and co-ordinate their actions and effectively silence and intimidate others.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote : Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning the battle for the Internet Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning the battle for the Internet http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning t... http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Sites like Reddit can’t rely on better rules to eliminate harassment. View on www.washingtonpos... http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one! Those wings could have been aids in making that creature look bigger and fiercer or, as we are told, birds are descendants of dinosaurs and this may have evolved into some other bird species (albeit large). Very cool and very colorful. http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: At Least She Left Him The Important Thing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Thanks! Well done that man . . . and his dog. Yes, I personally find dogs preferable to people 50% of the time. I think it was rather generous of that wife of his to leave the dog. The husband certainly is clever with his concepts and is evidently an artist who renders drawings very well unless he had help we don't know about. Personally, I don't think I'd ever leave an artist with that kind of sense of humour, creativity and a dog that adorable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : And he made the most of it. How fun. http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/ http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
Though, reports posted here of the demise of the meditating community on FFL by some who do not live in Fairfield, Iowa are in fact premature. Every week throughout the calendar year there are satsanga of practiced siddhas that are held, extra-curricular group meditations of meditators, very spiritual new-age church meetings, various presentations on spiritual matters and practices generally within the Fairfield meditating community. All levels of meditators cross over quite freely between these meetings and meditations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : For example, one person I spoke with tonite on a downtown sidewalk told of having a fabulous week here in Fairfield, Iowa with a group healing with Dr. Sands on Tuesday, and a group meditation at the Mother Divine Church on Weds and is looking forward to someone visiting here this week teaching about mudras. Generally the local Oneness group is quite robust with their own schedule. And the Liberal Catholic Church is busy with mystical Christianity here every week. Meditating Quakers meet every week once or more times in quiet. Wavicles on the Square is another satsang of siddha/spiritual people. The Fairfield Amma satsanga meets weekly for chanting and also has scheduled satsanga. It is a busy week outside the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa too. And then things like different Vidyas showing up from India happen on short notice or special speakers on campus. Fairfield, Iowa in fact is an active spiritual practice community of meditators, still. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yes, good analysis. I remember those days of the daily trudge or car ride to the dome, seeing people I didn't actually know but whose faces became very familiar. It was indeed the daily communal ritual; it was the glue that held us together. Now it has largely fallen away, although of course many people do still go. But in some ways we are almost in a post-TM era here now. I know so many people who no longer practice TM or care about anything the TMO does. It is just no longer a part of their lives. Instead of having one communal meeting ground every day, twice a day, people have developed a network of smaller groups, from the Sufis to Waking Down (just to give two examples) to cater to their particular post-TM interests. And yet is it wonderful that almost all of us have that common background. We understand each other in ways that would not be possible without it. I spent over 30 years doing TM and do not regret a single moment spent with eyes closed in the dome or elsewhere. But I have no desire to practice any form of meditation now. I have moved on, and others have too. I also find there is tremendous respect among the post-TMers for all the different paths or no paths that people have chosen to best satisfy their spiritual needs as they understand them now, 40-50 years (in many cases) since we first began this long journey, in a puja room somewhere with incense burning, a picture of the guru—and the imminence of transcendence, that sudden strange fall . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Living in the meditating community it is interesting that the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa is large enough that we do not necessarily know each other in it. Living here you recognize folks as part of the tribe. In the tribe there evidently are circles of folks something like guilds by affinity of interests or work that might overlap like Venn diagrams do. It used to be easier to recognize folks twenty years ago when the meditation numbers where significantly higher whence twice a day lots of meditators regardless of social economics, rank or element in the community, everyone walked in to the Domes shoulder-to-shoulder for meditation. The Dome meditation times then also served as communal 'check-in' times with friends and the larger meditating community. The Dome numbers have fragmented and diminished since those times and elements of the tribe have drifted a part from each other but there can still be overlap. And every once in a while you meet someone who has been living here in the larger meditating community for 20, 30 or 40 years that you never met before. For the last year or so as a 'town meditator' I have been on committees meeting up on campus and it has been a revelation at times putting some faces to names of folks up there in that part of the meditating community. And, also renewing old friendships of people who have been around for decades here. -JaiGuruYou Edg writes: Never met George. Two decades in FF, and nope. But I heard his name every single week there...the guy was a true community gluer. Had to be that he was a solid Joe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : There is some lot of truth to this article. Rick has certainly seen this on his FFL group at yahoo. -JaiGuruYou The foundations of the Internet were laid on free expression, but the founders just did not understand how effective their creation would be for the coordination and amplification of harassing behavior. Or that the users who were the biggest bullies would be rewarded with attention for their behavior. Or that young people would come to see this bullying as the norm — as something to emulate in an effort to one-up each other. As the Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/facing-challenge-online-harassment, which was founded to help protect Internet civil liberties, concluded this year: “The sad irony is that online harassers misuse the fundamental strength of the Internet as a powerful communication medium to magnify and co-ordinate their actions and effectively silence and intimidate others.” Pretty much nails it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning the battle for the Internet Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning the battle for the Internet http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao: The trolls are winning t... http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Sites like Reddit can’t rely on better rules to eliminate harassment. View on www.washingtonpos... http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cannot-let-the-internet-trolls-win/2015/07/16/91b1a2d2-2b17-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one! Hmm, maybe they were originally for keeping warm and became useful for catching insects or mating displays. Or maybe they just helped it run faster? Feathers are deformed scales so they must have had some sort of advantage early on or they wouldn't have got very far. Don't suppose you'd accept enhanced cuteness as an explanation? If I had a time machine this is the sort of problem I would work on... http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : snip Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud. (Barry made fun of him for that, but then t3rinity chimed in that he hadn't heard anything either. Another Oooopsie! for Barry.) As I said, what Doug wrote seems to me more like a call for more information, given that Wikipedia didn't say anything about its involving spirit possession. Me3: It was on TTC. I forget if Buck was made a teacher. Buck and I also heard tapes of him talking about this on our rounding courses as MIU students. So you say. I'll leave that claim for Doug to deal with if he's so inclined. Me4: We took the same rounding courses with the same tapes. So yes, that is what I am saying. Judy: Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But one thing making it easier is that he can now lie freely about FFL, its moderator, and its TM supporters. It seems to me that's a fact of potential interest to FFLers. Me2: I have people whose posts I don't read so I don't get this power he holds on you. Judy: What on earth does your DNR list have to do with anything? ME3: Because it shows how an adult would handle a situation of not liking how someone posts instead of going to read him when he posts on another site. You are powerless to avoid him like a moth to the flame. Still makes no sense to me, sorry. Me4: Nor to me. Never understood your behavior amidst your faux protest routine. Me 2:All this drama about having to create a new group because of him seems bogus to me. If you don't like someone, don't read them. If you decide to read them, then enjoy the ride you are creating by doing so. Judy2: Oh, this is just prissy high-horse rubbish, Curtis. Go back to Feste's cocktail party analogy. FFL is like a very long-running cocktail party. When it's dominated by a person who gets his jollies from sadistically attacking people, it's not that easy to ignore. You yourself agreed with me that the whole button-pushing bit is basically a crock. For that matter, you've often become quite wroth when you've been attacked. Me3: When I am I either show where I disagree, mock their attack or just skip it as I ended up doing with our most famous R. You act as if there is only one choice. Well, no, I don't, actually. I've done all three with Barry as well, as you know. Me2:I enjoy our conversations even though we don't agree on much and I often feel misrepresented by you. I don't really get why you can't see that Barry provides you with your favorite writing prompts here no matter where he is posting. Judy2: Barry does not provide me with my favorite writing prompts (what a pretentious phrase, writing prompts). Me3: It comes from schools. Those third grade teachers are so pretentious aren't they? I'm not talking about third grade teachers. I'm talking about Curtis using the phrase on FFL. Me4: Wow you really had to reach to create that insult out of nothing. Yes I used a term common in schools about things that prompt us to write. And as far as your writing history here goes, you are most prompted to write by anything that Barry says on this or any other site. J: I'd much rather write about other things (and did, when there was a pause in Barry's jihad against me). You don't provide them either, as it happens. It's a big bore to have to untangle your flim-flam. I vastly prefer discussions that are straightforward and conducted with integrity. Me3: This was worth the whole post. You do know that some of us are aware of your history of writing here right? If you tell me it has bored you or that you would rather write about other things, you are proving my point. You are powerless. And if you have not enjoyed our many long conversations as I have, you are quite pathetic since you engaged in them for so long. I get something out of our discussions which is why I continue to interact with you. Sucks to be you I guess. You have pissed away a large part of your life here doing things you did not want to do, enjoy doing, or get anything out of. Tragic little victim. Thanks, a perfect example of what I mean by flim-flam. Anyone who's aware of my history of writing here knows I've written quite a bit of good stuff. That's the kind of writing I'd *prefer* to do. Me4: I know but that Barry just makes you focus on him again and again and again. I can only imagine how much great stuff the world lost because Barry posted on the same site you did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The FF Meditating Community
For example, one person I spoke with tonite on a downtown sidewalk told of having a fabulous week here in Fairfield, Iowa with a group healing with Dr. Sands on Tuesday, and a group meditation at the Mother Divine Church on Weds and is looking forward to someone visiting here this week teaching about mudras. Generally the local Oneness group is quite robust with their own schedule. And the Liberal Catholic Church is busy with mystical Christianity here every week. Meditating Quakers meet every week once or more times in quiet. The Fairfield Amma satsanga meets weekly for chanting and also has scheduled satsanga. It is a busy week outside the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa too. And then things like different Vidyas showing up from India happen on short notice or special speakers on campus. Fairfield, Iowa in fact is an active spiritual practice community of meditators, still. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yes, good analysis. I remember those days of the daily trudge or car ride to the dome, seeing people I didn't actually know but whose faces became very familiar. It was indeed the daily communal ritual; it was the glue that held us together. Now it has largely fallen away, although of course many people do still go. But in some ways we are almost in a post-TM era here now. I know so many people who no longer practice TM or care about anything the TMO does. It is just no longer a part of their lives. Instead of having one communal meeting ground every day, twice a day, people have developed a network of smaller groups, from the Sufis to Waking Down (just to give two examples) to cater to their particular post-TM interests. And yet is it wonderful that almost all of us have that common background. We understand each other in ways that would not be possible without it. I spent over 30 years doing TM and do not regret a single moment spent with eyes closed in the dome or elsewhere. But I have no desire to practice any form of meditation now. I have moved on, and others have too. I also find there is tremendous respect among the post-TMers for all the different paths or no paths that people have chosen to best satisfy their spiritual needs as they understand them now, 40-50 years (in many cases) since we first began this long journey, in a puja room somewhere with incense burning, a picture of the guru—and the imminence of transcendence, that sudden strange fall . . . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Living in the meditating community it is interesting that the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa is large enough that we do not necessarily know each other in it. Living here you recognize folks as part of the tribe. In the tribe there evidently are circles of folks something like guilds by affinity of interests or work that might overlap like Venn diagrams do. It used to be easier to recognize folks twenty years ago when the meditation numbers where significantly higher whence twice a day lots of meditators regardless of social economics, rank or element in the community, everyone walked in to the Domes shoulder-to-shoulder for meditation. The Dome meditation times then also served as communal 'check-in' times with friends and the larger meditating community. The Dome numbers have fragmented and diminished since those times and elements of the tribe have drifted a part from each other but there can still be overlap. And every once in a while you meet someone who has been living here in the larger meditating community for 20, 30 or 40 years that you never met before. For the last year or so as a 'town meditator' I have been on committees meeting up on campus and it has been a revelation at times putting some faces to names of folks up there in that part of the meditating community. And, also renewing old friendships of people who have been around for decades here. -JaiGuruYou Edg writes: Never met George. Two decades in FF, and nope. But I heard his name every single week there...the guy was a true community gluer. Had to be that he was a solid Joe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Find A TM Hooker In Fairfield
Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: So something good is happening. [Your answer is better.] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Q: What does a TM Hooker say? A: Was it easy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : snip Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud. (Barry made fun of him for that, but then t3rinity chimed in that he hadn't heard anything either. Another Oooopsie! for Barry.) As I said, what Doug wrote seems to me more like a call for more information, given that Wikipedia didn't say anything about its involving spirit possession. Me3: It was on TTC. I forget if Buck was made a teacher. Buck and I also heard tapes of him talking about this on our rounding courses as MIU students. Judy: Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But one thing making it easier is that he can now lie freely about FFL, its moderator, and its TM supporters. It seems to me that's a fact of potential interest to FFLers. Me2: I have people whose posts I don't read so I don't get this power he holds on you. Judy: What on earth does your DNR list have to do with anything? ME3: Because it shows how an adult would handle a situation of not liking how someone posts instead of going to read him when he posts on another site. You are powerless to avoid him like a moth to the flame. Me 2:All this drama about having to create a new group because of him seems bogus to me. If you don't like someone, don't read them. If you decide to read them, then enjoy the ride you are creating by doing so. Judy2: Oh, this is just prissy high-horse rubbish, Curtis. Go back to Feste's cocktail party analogy. FFL is like a very long-running cocktail party. When it's dominated by a person who gets his jollies from sadistically attacking people, it's not that easy to ignore. You yourself agreed with me that the whole button-pushing bit is basically a crock. For that matter, you've often become quite wroth when you've been attacked. Me3: When I am I either show where I disagree, mock their attack or just skip it as I ended up doing with our most famous R. You act as if there is only one choice. Me2:I enjoy our conversations even though we don't agree on much and I often feel misrepresented by you. I don't really get why you can't see that Barry provides you with your favorite writing prompts here no matter where he is posting. Judy2: Barry does not provide me with my favorite writing prompts (what a pretentious phrase, writing prompts). Me3: It comes from schools. Those third grade teachers are so pretentious aren't they? J: I'd much rather write about other things (and did, when there was a pause in Barry's jihad against me). You don't provide them either, as it happens. It's a big bore to have to untangle your flim-flam. I vastly prefer discussions that are straightforward and conducted with integrity. Me3: This was worth the whole post. You do know that some of us are aware of your history of writing here right? If you tell me it has bored you or that you would rather write about other things, you are proving my point. You are powerless. And if you have not enjoyed our many long conversations as I have, you are quite pathetic since you engaged in them for so long. I get something out of our discussions which is why I continue to interact with you. Sucks to be you I guess. You have pissed away a large part of your life here doing things you did not want to do, enjoy doing, or get anything out of. Tragic little victim. Love the drama of sadistically attacking and jihad thrown in. Addicts love to talk about their addictions in vivid terms that make it look as if they cannot resist. It makes them feel better about shitty choices they make. Barry continues to control your attention from another site. Without him living in the world and expressing his opinions you would be posting all sorts of wonderful things? And all without the need for writing prompts no doubt! Judy YMMV, of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: At Least She Left Him The Important Thing
Thanks! Well done that man . . . and his dog. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : And he made the most of it. How fun. http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/ http://www.amazingthingss.com/wife-leaves-and-takes-all-but-the-dog-guy-responds-with-incredible-photo-series/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one! http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/p8kf48h Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : snip Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud. (Barry made fun of him for that, but then t3rinity chimed in that he hadn't heard anything either. Another Oooopsie! for Barry.) As I said, what Doug wrote seems to me more like a call for more information, given that Wikipedia didn't say anything about its involving spirit possession. Me3: It was on TTC. I forget if Buck was made a teacher. Buck and I also heard tapes of him talking about this on our rounding courses as MIU students. So you say. I'll leave that claim for Doug to deal with if he's so inclined. Judy: Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But one thing making it easier is that he can now lie freely about FFL, its moderator, and its TM supporters. It seems to me that's a fact of potential interest to FFLers. Me2: I have people whose posts I don't read so I don't get this power he holds on you. Judy: What on earth does your DNR list have to do with anything? ME3: Because it shows how an adult would handle a situation of not liking how someone posts instead of going to read him when he posts on another site. You are powerless to avoid him like a moth to the flame. Still makes no sense to me, sorry. Me 2:All this drama about having to create a new group because of him seems bogus to me. If you don't like someone, don't read them. If you decide to read them, then enjoy the ride you are creating by doing so. Judy2: Oh, this is just prissy high-horse rubbish, Curtis. Go back to Feste's cocktail party analogy. FFL is like a very long-running cocktail party. When it's dominated by a person who gets his jollies from sadistically attacking people, it's not that easy to ignore. You yourself agreed with me that the whole button-pushing bit is basically a crock. For that matter, you've often become quite wroth when you've been attacked. Me3: When I am I either show where I disagree, mock their attack or just skip it as I ended up doing with our most famous R. You act as if there is only one choice. Well, no, I don't, actually. I've done all three with Barry as well, as you know. Me2:I enjoy our conversations even though we don't agree on much and I often feel misrepresented by you. I don't really get why you can't see that Barry provides you with your favorite writing prompts here no matter where he is posting. Judy2: Barry does not provide me with my favorite writing prompts (what a pretentious phrase, writing prompts). Me3: It comes from schools. Those third grade teachers are so pretentious aren't they? I'm not talking about third grade teachers. I'm talking about Curtis using the phrase on FFL. J: I'd much rather write about other things (and did, when there was a pause in Barry's jihad against me). You don't provide them either, as it happens. It's a big bore to have to untangle your flim-flam. I vastly prefer discussions that are straightforward and conducted with integrity. Me3: This was worth the whole post. You do know that some of us are aware of your history of writing here right? If you tell me it has bored you or that you would rather write about other things, you are proving my point. You are powerless. And if you have not enjoyed our many long conversations as I have, you are quite pathetic since you engaged in them for so long. I get something out of our discussions which is why I continue to interact with you. Sucks to be you I guess. You have pissed away a large part of your life here doing things you did not want to do, enjoy doing, or get anything out of. Tragic little victim. Thanks, a perfect example of what I mean by flim-flam. Anyone who's aware of my history of writing here knows I've written quite a bit of good stuff. That's the kind of writing I'd *prefer* to do. But I just happen to put a priority on exposing dishonesty and protesting unfairness. It isn't enjoyable, but there is a certain satisfaction in it. It's a choice, and I do get something out of it. Love the drama of sadistically attacking and jihad thrown in. Addicts love to talk about their addictions in vivid terms that make it look as if they cannot resist. It makes them feel better about shitty choices they make. Barry continues to control your attention from another site. More jive drivel. Curtis, you know what I think of you, and you know why. There's no way you can fix it except by having some sort of major conversion experience followed by repentance and penance. I'm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jurassic Park: our feathered friends...
Survival of the fittest? This is what the original looked like of that fossil just found in China (the Zhenyuanlong suni - a cousin of the better known Velociraptor). But it couldn't fly so those wings are surely (as the tired old cliché has it) about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Let's see those neo-Darwinians explain this one!
[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up Me: This Judy nitpick is such a classic. It reveals both humor impairment as well as an ability to completely miss the point of the writer. It is fascinating to see it in action on someone else where it is so clear. Looks like you're angling to take over the Master of Inadvertent Irony title, Curtis. You're so anxious to Get Judy that you completely missed *my* point. You caught Barry in an insignificant detail about a topic's posting history, who brought the topic up. Not at all insignificant. The Doug-bash Barry was intent on making wouldn't have been nearly as effective if Doug were seen to have only commented on the thread 10 posts in, rather than having initiated it as Barry claimed. Me2: It was a joke about Buck being possessed. I know from experience nothing will dissuade you once you run down your own rabbit hole so I wont even try to untangle it. Did you take a little nap there, or what? I know it was a joke about Doug (not Buck) being possessed. I went on to say precisely that. Of maybe you didn't really catch a mistake, I am not going to dig through the posts to find out if Barry even said it this way. Right, Curtis, that dishonest Judy probably just made it up. Here's the beginning of the post: I ask seriously, because of a couple of threads he's ranting on over on FFL. A few days ago he brought up the practice of Subud, asking if people had ever heard Maharishi ever talk about it. (I ask seriously refers to Barry's subject heading, Is Doug Hamilton Possessed?) It misses the point which is: No, Curtis, I know what Barry's point was. Ha ha, Doug is possessed (see the subject heading). Just FYI, getting the joke does not necessarily also involve thinking it's funny. By me, this one was pretty dumb; and I was making a very different point in any case. Me2: Yes you clarified that Barry was wrong about Buck bringing it up and tried to shift the attention to that. Shift what attention? From what? My post was about Barry being wrong. There was nothing else to pay attention to (at least not here). Barry noticed that Doug was giving a positive spin on Subud It seemed to me that he was asking about the basis for the very negative spin the others were putting on it. But that isn't my point either. Basically, it's that Barry is losing it. He's so wrapped up in Doug-hatred, so obsessed with bashing Doug, that he misread Mike Dixon as DHamilton. (Or he didn't but assumed he wouldn't get caught in the lie.) Me2: And this from the person who brought FFL the apt and clever phrase: inadvertent irony. He got a detail wrong but the point of the joke had to do with what Buck wrote: The joke was dumb. It would have been even dumber had he not claimed Doug was the one who brought up Subud. The fact of that mistake (or lie) is more significant than the joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” Me2: Buck took a positive spin on the only spiritual practice I ever heard Maharishi mention as an impediment to TM practice. It IS pretty funny to me too. I was not aware of the thread till Buck commented on it either. Doug (not Buck) said he hadn't heard Maharishi say anything about Subud. (Barry made fun of him for that, but then t3rinity chimed in that he hadn't heard anything either. Another Oooopsie! for Barry.) As I said, what Doug wrote seems to me more like a call for more information, given that Wikipedia didn't say anything about its involving spirit possession. Judy: Barry is the primary source of all the upheaval relating to FFL; he's the main reason for the split-off to The Peak, and for Rick deciding moderation of FFL was necessary. That's a heavy set of consequences for which Barry is very largely responsible, and he knows it (though of course he'd never admit it). He's having a really tough time dealing with it. But
