[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
shukra69 thankyou for reply well, I agree with you, but if only transcendence that is really important, I think there would be 16 mantras in TM , maybe one mantra or two or five or only om but - one mantra for each specific age, I think the mantra in TM, is chosen to determind phase of life and has a specific effect for each stage of life but I don't know of any reliable formula provided for determining that. Different Jyotishis have comflicting opinions Yes, I agree again :) may be complex to choose correctly the mantra, or it may be very simple .. how can we know ? is a question only to have confidence in the system chosen, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: Transcending is most important the rest is secondary. The mantras given to initiates in the west help with the pressing material problems which everyone needs. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said that the mantra is best chosen according to ones Ishata Devata but I don't know of any reliable formula provided for determining that. Different Jyotishis have comflicting opinions. If you have confidence in your intuition that is superior means. Jaigurudeva yahoo group is a better forum for such a question in one respect anyways. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Empty and all I think krim mantra is mantra for kali / kali beej mantra however MMY not use Krim he gave to the teachers of TM Kirim MMY I think it would give the mantra kleem ', would be KILEEM' or 'KILIM or KEELEEM ... KLIM is also beej mantra for Kali, the power of magnetic attraction of the energy of Kali, KRIM is the aspect of electric energy of kali but there are other beej mantra in Hinduism, such as: Haum In this Mantra, Ha is Siva and au is Sadasiva. Lord Siva is worshipped with this mantra. Dum Here Da means Durga. U means to protect. This is the Mantra of Durga Mata. hoom In this Mantra, Ha is Siva. U is Bhairava. Gam This is the Ganesha-Bija. Ga means Ganesha. Glaum This is a Mantra of Ganesha. Ga means Ganesha. That Which means it pervades. Au means luster or brilliance. Kshraum This is the Bija of Narasimha. Ksha is Narasimha. Ra is Brahma. Au means with teeth pointing upwards. Vyaam Vyaam is the Bija of Vyasa-Mantra why MMY did not give other beej mantras for his teachers ? MMY certainly have some direction in choosing your beej mantras for TM, or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire. In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid. The mantra is used for intensifying attraction and desire. That is probably why it was not installed in the mantra sets given by MMY to TM teachers. However, it is also the bija mantra for Krishna, although without the proper initiation you might not get much by using it. On the other hand, you might get too much by using it ... experiences that you do not want to have in any way at all. If you insist on using it, the best way is to shelter the seed syllable by using this form of it ... klim krish�ya namah. User beware! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Don't you guys ever get bored with this stuff? The same lingo, over and over, year in and year out, ad nauseum. authfriend: I guess when you're Sal, anything a TMer writes becomes TM lingo in your mind, whether it is or not. Maybe if Sal is so bored with this stuff, she ought to just move unsubscribe. LoL! I wonder why Sal moved to Fairfield in the first place? She doesn't seem like the spiritual type. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
LOL :) *_* ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: ...this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? No. Nobody here wants to discuss the issue of where the TM bija mantras came from. That's because the TM Teachers are trained to be very secretive about the TM techniques. Other TM teachers don't know where the TM bijas came from. One said he got a lot of bijas from a guru that used to be a 'pilot' over in India. You need to realize Marcio, that the TM Teachers here ARE the TMO - two even claim to have been TMO 'Coordinators' - whatever that is. One of the FFL Moderators claims his brother is a TMO 'Raja', but he won't talk about it. One of the FFL TMO Teachers says he admires the Trungpa Tulku and another supported Fred Lenz! So, I still don't know what happened to all the TMO money. One old TM Teacher said he gave out some nonsense gibberish syllables and then stole the initation money he got from his wife's brother and bought a guitar strap with it. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Good , very good --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: LOL What's so funny - where do you think the 'bija' mantras came from? There are no bijas mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Taken on it's face, there's no reason to assume that a nonsense syllable could cause a person to enter into an altered state. It just doesn't make any sense. So, how did it come to be that anyone would think that by repeating a phrase over and over again would bring anyone any closer to an enlightened state? Some TM Teachers say that MMY 'made up' the TM bija mantras. Another TM Teacher said MMY got the bijas from SBS. One TM Teacher said SBS got the bija mantras from the Adi Shankaracharya, who got the bijas and when he was up in Kashmere. One TM Teacher said the bijas were 10,000 years old and came 'out of India' before the invention of the Sanskrit language. Go figure. So, what, exactly, is a 'bija' mantra and where did they really come from? Definition of 'bija' mantra: Subject: Bijas and Other Seed Sounds Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/y8h95d6 On the origin of the TM bija mantras: Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique... Read more: Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Author: Billy Smith Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... Read more: Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Author: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
emptybill great post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of Ramana Maharshi, says that the bija mantra ii.m is the great bija mantra from the Rig Veda and is the Rig Veda Pranava, equivalent to o.m which represents the universal Vak. Brahmarshi Daivarata revealed the mahaamantra ii.m o.m shri.h, which is to be followed by the Gayatri mantra. (Vak Sudha, by Brahmarshi Daivarata, opening page). ii.m from the Rig Veda o.m from the Upanishads shri.h (from the Tantra-s?) According to Frawley, ii.m is the bija mantra of the Vedic Indra and is the foundation of most Shakti mantra-s. (Mantra Yoga Primordial Sound, pg. 160) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: ...this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? No. Nobody here wants to discuss the issue of where the TM bija mantras came from. That's because the TM Teachers are trained to be very secretive about the TM techniques. Other TM teachers don't know where the TM bijas came from. One said he got a lot of bijas from a guru that used to be a 'pilot' over in India. You need to realize Marcio, that the TM Teachers here ARE the TMO - two even claim to have been TMO 'Coordinators' - whatever that is. One of the FFL Moderators claims his brother is a TMO 'Raja', but he won't talk about it. One of the FFL TMO Teachers says he admires the Trungpa Tulku and another supported Fred Lenz! So, I still don't know what happened to all the TMO money. One old TM Teacher said he gave out some nonsense gibberish syllables and then stole the initation money he got from his wife's brother and bought a guitar strap with it. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
good job --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Good , very good --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: LOL What's so funny - where do you think the 'bija' mantras came from? There are no bijas mentioned in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Taken on it's face, there's no reason to assume that a nonsense syllable could cause a person to enter into an altered state. It just doesn't make any sense. So, how did it come to be that anyone would think that by repeating a phrase over and over again would bring anyone any closer to an enlightened state? Some TM Teachers say that MMY 'made up' the TM bija mantras. Another TM Teacher said MMY got the bijas from SBS. One TM Teacher said SBS got the bija mantras from the Adi Shankaracharya, who got the bijas and when he was up in Kashmere. One TM Teacher said the bijas were 10,000 years old and came 'out of India' before the invention of the Sanskrit language. Go figure. So, what, exactly, is a 'bija' mantra and where did they really come from? Definition of 'bija' mantra: Subject: Bijas and Other Seed Sounds Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 26, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/y8h95d6 On the origin of the TM bija mantras: Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique... Read more: Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Author: Billy Smith Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 You are getting warmer when it comes to understanding TM's origins with your posts regarding the Shankaracharya tradition and its practice of Srividya... Read more: Subject: Re: TM: Siva Sutra Author: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.yoga, alt.meditation Date: September 21, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/yjwa2yr
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
good job --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: emptybill great post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni, disciple of Ramana Maharshi, says that the bija mantra ii.m is the great bija mantra from the Rig Veda and is the Rig Veda Pranava, equivalent to o.m which represents the universal Vak. Brahmarshi Daivarata revealed the mahaamantra ii.m o.m shri.h, which is to be followed by the Gayatri mantra. (Vak Sudha, by Brahmarshi Daivarata, opening page). ii.m from the Rig Veda o.m from the Upanishads shri.h (from the Tantra-s?) According to Frawley, ii.m is the bija mantra of the Vedic Indra and is the foundation of most Shakti mantra-s. (Mantra Yoga Primordial Sound, pg. 160) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: ...this group is to discuss these issues freely, or not? No. Nobody here wants to discuss the issue of where the TM bija mantras came from. That's because the TM Teachers are trained to be very secretive about the TM techniques. Other TM teachers don't know where the TM bijas came from. One said he got a lot of bijas from a guru that used to be a 'pilot' over in India. You need to realize Marcio, that the TM Teachers here ARE the TMO - two even claim to have been TMO 'Coordinators' - whatever that is. One of the FFL Moderators claims his brother is a TMO 'Raja', but he won't talk about it. One of the FFL TMO Teachers says he admires the Trungpa Tulku and another supported Fred Lenz! So, I still don't know what happened to all the TMO money. One old TM Teacher said he gave out some nonsense gibberish syllables and then stole the initation money he got from his wife's brother and bought a guitar strap with it. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Empty and all I think krim mantra is mantra for kali / kali beej mantra however MMY not use Krim he gave to the teachers of TM Kirim MMY I think it would give the mantra kleem ', would be KILEEM' or 'KILIM or KEELEEM ... KLIM is also beej mantra for Kali, the power of magnetic attraction of the energy of Kali, KRIM is the aspect of electric energy of kali but there are other beej mantra in Hinduism, such as: Haum In this Mantra, Ha is Siva and au is Sadasiva. Lord Siva is worshipped with this mantra. Dum Here Da means Durga. U means to protect. This is the Mantra of Durga Mata. hoom In this Mantra, Ha is Siva. U is Bhairava. Gam This is the Ganesha-Bija. Ga means Ganesha. Glaum This is a Mantra of Ganesha. Ga means Ganesha. That Which means it pervades. Au means luster or brilliance. Kshraum This is the Bija of Narasimha. Ksha is Narasimha. Ra is Brahma. Au means with teeth pointing upwards. Vyaam Vyaam is the Bija of Vyasa-Mantra why MMY did not give other beej mantras for his teachers ? MMY certainly have some direction in choosing your beej mantras for TM, or not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire. In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid. The mantra is used for intensifying attraction and desire. That is probably why it was not installed in the mantra sets given by MMY to TM teachers. However, it is also the bija mantra for Krishna, although without the proper initiation you might not get much by using it. On the other hand, you might get too much by using it ... experiences that you do not want to have in any way at all. If you insist on using it, the best way is to shelter the seed syllable by using this form of it ... klim krishâya namah. User beware! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo
[FairfieldLife] construction Beej mantras
hello .. Anyone know any books on construction Beej mantras example om aim klim Hrim krim kalakaye namah? how to build the mantra? I looked on amazon, but I lost the link
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
are nearly identical.
**but no identical , and different effects in our consciousness, in our nervous
system,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
Marcio
Did you post this by accident? Or do you not
remember the previous post # 288389?
Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire.
In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid.
FWIW, in some minimal pairs (e.g. raghu/laghu, rohita/lohita)
the consonants 'r' and 'l' are dialectal (or perhaps rather
diacronic?) variants, or whatever:
laghu mf(%{vI} , or %{u})n. (a later form of %{raghu} , q.v.) light ,
quick , swift , active , prompt , nimble Mn. MBh. c. (also said of a
partic...
So, 'kriim' (kreem/cream, heh...) might be considered a de facto
variant of 'kliim', or vice versa...
* * That's essentially the way I see it, too, card; though there does appear
to be a slight differentiation between 'r' and 'l' (for me the r is more in
the third eye, while the l is more in the heart), the two semivowels are
actuarry vely simirar. For all intents and purposes, KLIM and KRIM are nearly
identical. And neither Kama nor Krishna (except insofar as he too appears
blue-black or indigo) really personifies the cutting-off, negating or
eliminative quality of the feminine base chakra's K sound the way the
Indigo Mason's Kali does. Not to rehash that whole AK ( G)NI
schtick or anything...
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
is not a joke, I'm serious about meditation and mantras, TM mantras etc. .. kleem is different from kreem, kreem is kali mantra ,,, and kleem mantra for lord krishna, Cupid, indra ... I've looked at some sites on the net say 'Kamadeva is one of the names of Krishna --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Marcelo rosa wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no Brill Cream, by any chance? Does anyone else get the feeling Marcelo is playing a joke? This is just too silly to be anything else. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
I never wrote this list on kleem mantra this is not true .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth of their knowledge about mantras, and mantra prefixes and extensions and other nuances. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Marcelo rosa wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no Brill Cream, by any chance? Does anyone else get the feeling Marcelo is playing a joke? This is just too silly to be anything else. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
farce ? wy ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Yeah, I knew it was a rerun, but it seems in the last few days or so to have devolved to the level of farce. Sal On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 PM, seventhray1 wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth of their knowledge about mantras, and mantra prefixes and extensions and other nuances. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Marcelo rosa wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no Brill Cream, by any chance? Does anyone else get the feeling Marcelo is playing a joke? This is just too silly to be anything else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
ok .. but .. kreem is mahakali beeja mantra and kleem is lord Krishna beeja .. this is no joke *_* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I never wrote this list on kleem mantra this is not true .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: It's the same routine he sold several months ago. I guess people keep buying it because it gives them a chance to display the depth of their knowledge about mantras, and mantra prefixes and extensions and other nuances. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Marcelo rosa wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no Brill Cream, by any chance? Brylcreem, huh? LoL! Does anyone else get the feeling Marcelo is playing a joke? This is just too silly to be anything else. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
hello Card .. you are TMer ? you pratice tm ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Brylcreem, huh? LoL! OMG, Brylcreem-tyyli on tyttojen (tyttöjen/tyttoejen) mieleen! :o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F4GtyRfto
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
please be quiet in peace within you, I love TM ok? I'm tmer for 30 years, practicing twice daily are only questions, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Emptybill ok ... great answer, thanks for answering, I want to use this mantra on TM technique because I want to unite the power of this mantra (to attract good things, increase the overall power of desire) along with the worship of Krishna and the transcendence of theTranscendental Meditation technique (unstress)... this is the reason .. union of transcendence TM + power kleem + Attract good things, increase the power of desire what you think about? You did not ask me but I'll answer anyway: 1) You're a fool. And a product of the anything goes attitude often promoted by Buddhist on FFL who wants TM'ers to screw up their practise purportedly because when leaving a life of clear thinking brought about by the TM-practise one will see their Guru, that tibetan Lama, in a more favorable light. Having abandoned his country and left it to the Communists, taking refuge amongst the Hindus, spending most of his life abroad preaching, one must be in a very muddled state of mind indeed to see the value of this fellow. 2) If you use any other mantra than you received from an authorized TM-teacher you are not practising TM. Are we clear now ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
good , open mind *_* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Nabby, you have got to be kidding? Right? As my practice of the technique, regularly, the one you so adore, one must remember who left India?Does Holland come to mind? : ) I appreciate the expanded thoughts in all directions posted by whoever. Hmmm. Nabby, dear Nabby, the cuts that shape the crop circles in the virgin cornfields, are savagely severing your thinking patterns. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Emptybill ok ... great answer, thanks for answering, I want to use this mantra on TM technique because I want to unite the power of this mantra (to attract good things, increase the overall power of desire) along with the worship of Krishna and the transcendence of theTranscendental Meditation technique (unstress)... this is the reason .. union of transcendence TM + power kleem + Attract good things, increase the power of desire what you think about? You did not ask me but I'll answer anyway: 1) You're a fool. And a product of the anything goes attitude often promoted by Buddhist on FFL who wants TM'ers to screw up their practise purportedly because when leaving a life of clear thinking brought about by the TM-practise one will see their Guru, that tibetan Lama, in a more favorable light. Having abandoned his country and left it to the Communists, taking refuge amongst the Hindus, spending most of his life abroad preaching, one must be in a very muddled state of mind indeed to see the value of this fellow. 2) If you use any other mantra than you received from an authorized TM-teacher you are not practising TM. Are we clear now ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Klim or kleem , is beej mantra of Lord Krishna, the god Cupid kamdev, kreem is Mahakali mantra , but when KLIM associated with a range of other Beej, klimm attracts the power of what comes after Beej kliim because klim has the power to attract shows another network location, where it has KLIM as Mahakali mantra, I would like to see --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Woof! Marcio, you're barking up the wrong tree. KLIM (KLEEM) is part of the Navarna, or Chamundai mantra and is considered to be the sound embodiment of certain of Kali's powers relating to Her capacity to destroy the evil excesses of Too much, and too little. ... Just send away for the SreeMaa audio tape of her chanting the Navarna mantra in order to get initiated. (this will do it - a direct transfer of Shakti power, the essential key ingredient in valid Initiations, ime). ... Next, you have the correct pronunciation...just follow along with her. Chant the mantra until it coming out of your ears for 30 days and note the results. Repeat if favorable. ... PS: some of those dualist Vaisnava Scriptures such as the Srimad Bhagavatam can actually rot your brain. Chant the Navarna mantra of Kali and don't believe everything you read in Scriptures. ... http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/shakti-sadhana/272294-chamundai-mantra.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: If you're serious, then go to a Hindu temple and discuss it with the priest. Most people here are clueless. On 09/09/2011 12:27 AM, Marcio wrote: is not a joke, I'm serious about meditation and mantras, TM mantras etc. .. kleem is different from kreem, kreem is kali mantra ,,, and kleem mantra for lord krishna, Cupid, indra ... I've looked at some sites on the net say 'Kamadeva is one of the names of Krishna --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Marcelo rosa wrote: i think no kreem is no variant of kleem , no , no Brill Cream, by any chance? Does anyone else get the feeling Marcelo is playing a joke? This is just too silly to be anything else. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Origin of bija mantras
MMY I know, wanted to remove the aspect of religion of their mantras, so he reduced some mantras, many of tM Beej, are found in long mantras to Hindu deities, eg: OM AIM HRIM KLIM CAMUNDAYAI VICCE OM KRIM KALYAI NAMAH Kreem Kreem Kreem Hoom Hoom Hreem Hreem Dakshine Kalike Hoom Hoom Hreem Hreem Kreem Kreem Kreen Swaha Shodashi Tripur Sundari :Hreem Ka A Ee Lla Hreem Haasa Kah la Hreem Soh Aing Kleem Hreem Shreem Kamala : Aum Shreem Hreem Shreem Kamle Kamlalaye Prassiddh Prassidh Shreem Hreem Shreem Mahalakshmaye Fatt but I think has something intelligent behind the mantras of MMY, particularly on advanced techniques, wy ? shree Aing namah not find them anywhere, nothing in the relevant items, fertilçizantes, where MMY withdrew these advanced techniques? and because only two SHREE and two NAMAH, instead of shree shree shrree aing aing aing namah namah namah ? into something intelligent, or base MMY have to make these additions .. MMY divided up longer mantras to reduce it is basic easy bija mantras for Western people, who were not inclined to the religion of Hinduism. This makes sense, since every time I see TM mantras they are indeed part of larger whole mantras, e.g., Om klim hrim...Sawastri...etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Not too muchm sadly. I am still learning everything I can about MMY and TM. The only other interesting thing I found out that most do not know is that according to Donovan, the singer who was there with the Beatles in India (as I know you know already), MMY divided up longer mantras to reduce it is basic easy bija mantras for Western people, who were not inclined to the religion of Hinduism. This makes sense, since every time I see TM mantras they are indeed part of larger whole mantras, e.g., Om klim hrim...Sawastri...etc. (as claimed in the book, Here Comes the Sun: The Spiritual Musical Journey of George Harrison, pg. 127.) And also, Frawley claims that the long I in shakti mantras designates shakti, but the short I vowel sound is supposed to designate Siva or static consciouness. So that makes me wonder why we all use the short I vowel sound in MMY versions of the bija mantras (i.e., hrim, instead of the normative hreem pronunciation, to cite but one example). Might it be because MMY thought the so-called shakti mantras were too powerful for Western minds? In any event, Feurstein is a very respected scholar and I trust his research and acumen. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Origin of bija mantras  On 09/07/2011 05:09 PM, William wrote: For what it is worth, the most trusted yoga scholar I know is Dr. Georg Feurstein and according to him bija mantras are first found in the brahmanas, where they are associated with specific deities (Georg Feurstein, Tantra: Path of Ecstasy, 16.) What else have you studied on tantra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Origin of bija mantras
RichardIn TM, you get only one single 'bija' mantra. There are no 'deities' in TM. kreem is kali beej mantra shreem is Lakshmi Beej Mantra Shyam Krishna is Beej Mantar Lakshmi, Krishna, Kali, Hindu deiades ? no deities on tm mantras? and advanced techniques are two times beeja eg .. shree shree shyam shyam namah namah --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: MMY I know, wanted to remove the aspect of religion of their mantras, so he reduced some mantras, many of tM Beej, are found in long mantras to Hindu deities... In TM, you get only one single 'bija' mantra. There are no 'deities' in TM. There are devatas mentioned in the Rik Veda. The worship of deified heroes, such as Krishna, Ballaram, and Vasudeva, came after the rise of the sects, at the beginning of the Gupta Age of Indian history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire
[FairfieldLife] Re: Origin of bija mantras
Richard ok .. sri and namah are not Beej, are words in Sanskrit ok,,, i agree but Aim is Beej ok ? Aim is the Beej to Saraswast ... and saraswast is a deity? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: In TM, you get only one single 'bija' mantra. Marcio: advanced techniques are two times beeja In TM you get only one bija mantra. In advanced techniques you get Sanskrit words to use as a fertilizer for the bija. The 'Sri' is a Sanskrit word meaning 'auspicious' - sri is NOT a bija manta. 'Namah' is a Sanskrit word meaning 'reverence' - namah is NOT a bija mantra. In TM you get only one bija mantra. ONE BIJA. Not two or three. ONE. ONE BIJA in TM. No deities in TM. NO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard I practice TM-SIDHS for 30 years twice day .. always practice ok ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: and the advanced techniques First you get yourself initiated by a guru and you get the bija mantra. After that you can meditate on the bija, at least twice a day, for about twenty minutes. Then a little later, you can get some more advanced techniques. It's like a garden. You get the seed-syllable and plant it in your mind. Then, you water the root with deep meditation, and later maybe add a little fertilizer. Just sit quietly and meditate on your bija mantra. Just Be. It's that simple!
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard marcio: wroteDoes anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? Rrichard wrote There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. I write wrong, my English is not good, I meant: Kleem, is not given to teachers of TM, but it is a beeja mantra for Krishna , but MMY give shyam , and shyam is a beeja mantra to Krishna and you see a problem with meditating on the TM technique, changing my mantra received at TMO by the mantra kleeng? What is the reason the MMY not use the KLEEM or KLEENG beej mantra on your list of beej mantras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? because these mantras are tm mantras too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Anyone know why MMY not advise the mantra om
OM OM Anyone know why MMY not advise the mantra om in their meditation practice? or as part of advanced techniques?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone know why MMY not advise the mantra om
look at http://www.aypsite.org/188.html OM is paired with SHREE for a reason, and it is second instead of first for a reason. It is paired to maintain polarity between the crown (SHREE) and the rest of the nervous system resonating with OM. This is another dimension of the shiva-shakti balanced relationship, in this case between the crown and the medulla oblongata. It is a more dynamic and far-reaching manifestation of the shiva-shakti pairing than I AM (which also continues). OM is placed after SHREE for more longevity in the vibration of OM. SHREE OM is coming into the body, and OM SHREE is leaving the body. It is a distinction with a noticeably positive difference in effect when seen through the inner senses of ecstatic conductivity. Finally, NAMAH is added for its syllables and as a traditional transition in mantra repetitions. It resonates ecstatically in the heart, cultivating bhakti, and has a purifying effect throughout the nervous system. you know any advanced technique MMY .. that uses the OM after shree Sheree om Aing namah or something? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Anyone know why MMY not advise the mantra om in their meditation practice? Yes. The mono-syllable 'OM', by definition, isn't a bija mantra at all, except by courtesy. OM is not esoteric in any way - it's just used as fertilizer, just like 'phat' or any other auspicious utterance. OM does not appear in the Soundaryalahari composed by the Adi Shankaracharya. So, since OM isn't mentioned there, MMY decided to follow the Sri Vidya tradition of not including it in TM practice - OM is not supported by any Siddha tradition and was not given to any student by SBS. OM is just a literary device - not suitable for householders to use for deep meditation. OM is just a nonsense phrase you read about in books or on the internet or in a PDF. It's a place-holder for the actual bija you get when you are initiated. The meaning assigned to bijas or syllables by the faithful has no direct bearing on the actions and mechanics of TM bija mantra usage. It may be true that many mantras and bija mantras have been assigned exoteric meanings by devotees, however, true transcending meditation has been demonstrated to be effective when non-ideational mnemonic devices are used. This is because ideational thought patterns tend to keep the meditator on the concious thinking level, and to thus inhibit effortless transcending.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Origin of bija mantras
emptybill but you also receive the advanced techniques? fertilizers? These design are correct shree shree krim krim namah namah(krim beeja) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: When I received the mantras from MMY in 1972 at the Fiuggi course, he gave them all with long vowels (Hreem rather than Hrim or Hrem). Since I had already read some of Sir John Woodroofe's books, I listened intensely to make sure I heard them correctly. One of the problems with not knowing how to pronounce basic Sanskrit is that ordinary Westerners often get it wrong, including the spelling. Some of the lists of supposed TM mantras on the net are so absurd that they become a real hoot. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Not too muchm sadly. I am still learning everything I can about MMY and TM. The only other interesting thing I found out that most do not know is that according to Donovan, the singer who was there with the Beatles in India (as I know you know already), MMY divided up longer mantras to reduce it is basic easy bija mantras for Western people, who were not inclined to the religion of Hinduism. This makes sense, since every time I see TM mantras they are indeed part of larger whole mantras, e.g., Om klim hrim...Sawastri...etc. (as claimed in the book, Here Comes the Sun: The Spiritual Musical Journey of George Harrison, pg. 127.) And also, Frawley claims that the long I in shakti mantras designates shakti, but the short I vowel sound is supposed to designate Siva or static consciouness. So that makes me wonder why we all use the short I vowel sound in MMY versions of the bija mantras (i.e., hrim, instead of the normative hreem pronunciation, to cite but one example). Might it be because MMY thought the so-called shakti mantras were too powerful for Western minds? In any event, Feurstein is a very respected scholar and I trust his research and acumen. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Origin of bija mantras  On 09/07/2011 05:09 PM, William wrote: For what it is worth, the most trusted yoga scholar I know is Dr. Georg Feurstein and according to him bija mantras are first found in the brahmanas, where they are associated with specific deities (Georg Feurstein, Tantra: Path of Ecstasy, 16.) What else have you studied on tantra?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richrad great answer, very good your knowledge ... and on the advanced techniques ... Additions to Beej? Do you know anything about it ..? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: emptybill: What Richard Williams says is inaccurate... So, let review what we know about the TM bija mantras: It has already been established that our Guru Dev, Swami Brahmanand, was an initiate of the Saraswati Order of Vendata Sanyasins, with their headquarters at Sringeri. It has already been established the Sringeri Amnyamatha was founded by the Adi Shankaracharya. And, it has already been established that the guru of SBS was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri. It has also been established that the Saraswati Sannyasins of Sringeri meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice each day. So, this much has been established. According to Swami of Sringeri, Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji, the current Shankaracharya, our tradition was founded by the Adi Shankara - that's all we TMers need to know. http://www.sringeri.net/ All the Saraswati Sannyasins of the Shankarachary Order accept as fact that the Adi Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari and enumerated the sixteen bijas. The Saraswati Sannyasins of Sringeri are not concerned with Western scholarship. Saraswati adherents are concerned with transcending to the Absolute Knowedge - Sri Vidya - utilizing the bija mantras handed down from the Adi, to SBS, to MMY, hence to all TMers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
RoryI meditate with kleeng mantra, I felt much more affinity ... kleem mantra meditate is not so good to me ... I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-) I said I would like to meditate with the mantra kleem (kleeng) using the Transcendental Meditation technique, without effort, only to repeat the mantra naturally, without using concentration or contemplation .. only change my mantra I received from the teacher on the other, (kleem o0r kleeng) thankyou Rory .. peace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo rosa tmer1306@ wrote: Rory kleeng you think is more powerful? * * For me, Marcelo, it feels closer to the truth, but if you feel otherwise, you probably ought to honor That. The Self Who enlivens the mantra in you, the Inner tradition which inspires you and which you align yourself with and which calls you Home, is in my heart far more important than the surface details of the mantra itself. I wanted to meditate kleem mantra ... with the TM technique. , I do not understand the reason TMO not to use mantra kleem * * I understand nothing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
good but how to know the most suitable? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 09/03/2011 12:47 PM, Marcio wrote: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo Because it didn't fit into his scheme. And nobody really knows where that scheme came from but it is pretty obvious what it is based on. One must be careful unless trained by an expert when playing around with mantra. They can produce unexpected results. M and NG endings can be favored by different traditions, some use both while other use just one or the other. I watched Indian pundits go at arguments over those endings on Internet forums. Quite funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? because these mantras are tm mantras too --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Mario, These seed-mantras are used in the various Tantras in reference to different deities of popular worship. What Richard Williams says is inaccurate, which has been pointed out to him numerous times. Shankara did not compose the Saudarya Lahiri nor suggest using it. This claim is considered an error by all Western and Western-trained scholars of Shankara's tradition. The Saudarya Lahiri was composed after Shankara's time by someone who was in the Shakti lineage. Richard Williams has been told this many times but believes he knows better than the scholars and only says this because he just wants to do so. Bhagavad Adi-Shankara is the human originator of the Advaita lineage of practice and understanding. It is a non-dualist tradition which was formulated by Shankara to include the worship of six deities: Surya, Ganapati, Kumara, Vishnu, Shiva and Shakti. Over time the tradition of practice began to incorporate elements from various other non-dualist lineages of practice, in particular the non-dual Shakti traditions. This is how the practice of Shri Yantra and Shri Vidya came into Shankara's tradition. The so-called Saraswati seed-syllable is used in meditation by almost all lineages of yoga practice and is also used quite liberally by ordinary Hindu priests (purari-s) in their daily puja-s in Indian temples, both in India and the U.S.A. The bija-mantras come from the Sanskrit language and are not made up on the spot by someone calling himself a guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Richard Williams Who are you? tm teacher you are? great what you said .. soundsgreat to me you show great knowledge of TM mantras, very good, very good ..helped me a lot, but I have a doubt saraswasti mantras ... Shyam is a Saraswasti mantra? mantra Krim is saraswasti mantra ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Marcio: Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? There is no reason that I can think of for not using any MMY bija mantra. Any sound or object can be considered a bija mantra - a bija is anything the guru says it is. However, the most powerful 'bija' mantra is the Saraswati bija matra - the bija that Swami Brahmanand used. It is incumbent on every Saraswati sannyasin to meditate at least twice daily on the bija of Saraswati. The bija of Saraswati is inscribed on the Sri Yantra, which was placed on the altar at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya himself. The tradition of bija mantras passed down by MMY through SBS is the tradition of the Sri Vidya - Absolute Knowledge. There are at least fifteen bija mantras mentioned in the scripture of the Sri Vidya tradition, the sixteenth being secret. The Adi Shankaracharya composed the Soundaryalahari wherein are enumerated the TM bija mantras. So, in that sense using the bija of Saraswati makes some TMers very close to the tradition in the line of Swami Brahmananda, in that the Swami practiced a meditation that was transcendental utilizing the Saraswati bija mantra - the very same bija we use in TM today. Saraswati bija is one of the most powerful bijas in the Indian siddha lineage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advancedtechniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Yes, I understand ... MMY said his method does not follow anytraditional school of india ... but I'd like to understand the advanced techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
shri .. means auspicious reverence has nothing with mini mantra lakshmi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: 'Shri' is more of a mini-mantra for Lakshmi, which full biji mantra is: 'Shreem'... So adding Shri to any mantra is just like addiing the feminine aspect of 'Shakti' as 'Lakshmi'... shri not .. means auspicious reverence has nothing to do with mini lakshmi mantra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: These Sanskrit words have meaning. shri means auspicious or glorious. namah means 'to bend down'. I have never heard any official explanation about the logic behind their use in TM meditation. Please note: TM is NOT a form of sacrificial worship (yagya) nor is it a form of adoration (puja). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: emptybill good, great ... you help me understand .. and the advanced techniques MMY ... adding shri before the Beej 'namah after Beej? example : shri krim namah shri shri krim namah shri shri krim krim namah namah What is the origin of these additions? do you know about this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Krim/kring is called Kali bija. Shyam is called Krishna bija. Aim/aing is Saraswati bija, not other. Shrim/Shring is for Lakshmi and also for Krishna's lover, Shrimati Radhanani. These are Puranic and Tantric titles that correlate the bija-s to standard Hindu deva-s. However, please recognize that these titles of the mantras are more a way to relate them to a particular way of using them rather than actual names. The names of deities are sometimes also used as a type of mantra called a nama-mantra but that is strictly a form of worship rather than meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: I understand ... great explanation ... dear friend ... but and about sixteenth TM mantras? .. Krim is the mantra of Mahakali Shyam is a Krishna mantra,,, Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ? krim shyam are mantras MMY-TMO Krim and Shyam are considered saraswati mantras ?
[FairfieldLife] Satyananda and Sattyanand are same
they are the same people ...Satyananda and Sattyanand they are the same people Satyananda and Sattyanand were involved with TMO and MMY? (1968-1969) thank you Marcelo
[FairfieldLife] why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)
Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra kleem? which the most powerful kleem or Kleeng ? tahnk you Marcelo
[FairfieldLife] pooja
hello .. anyone have a video (link) of a teacher performing the tm initiation pooja ? lol
[FairfieldLife] Re: NAMAH OR NAMAHA
what is yo mama? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Hi Marcio: On Feb 12, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Marcio wrote: Hello MMY uses the word NAMAH as an Advanced technique, I see many mantras in the word Namaha, anyone know why MMY use the word NAMAH ? what is the correct pronunciation of NAMAH? MMY uses NAMAHA or NAMAH (pronunciation) ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/219318 Just a correction. You are correct in that namah literally means to bow down, but in mantra-speak namah means not mine. It's a contraction, a shorter way of saying na mama. In the really, really secret, uber-advanced TM advanced techniques they use the pronunciation yo mama.
[FairfieldLife] NAMAH OR NAMAHA
Hello MMY uses the word NAMAH as an Advanced technique, I see many mantras in the word Namaha, anyone know why MMY use the word NAMAH ? what is the correct pronunciation of NAMAH? MMY uses NAMAHA or NAMAH (pronunciation) ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: NAMAH OR NAMAHA
Great Reply My teacher of Sanskrit, said to me .. that the correct pronunciation is NAMAHA then I got confused I think, i bealived MMY uses NAMAH on advanced techniques , I think you explained very well --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Hello MMY uses the word NAMAH as an Advanced technique, I see many mantras in the word Namaha, anyone know why MMY use the word NAMAH ? what is the correct pronunciation of NAMAH? MMY uses NAMAHA or NAMAH (pronunciation) ? I think the final sound often transliterated as H (namaH) is called visarga: visarga m. cessation, end; [...] ; **a kind of aspiration its sign** (g[rammar] -- card). The pronunciation of that visarga depends on the phonetic properties of the following sound (if it's a *short* a-sound or a voiced consonant, the -aH changes to -o: e.g. namaH + naaraayaNaaya - namo naaraayaNaaya, because 'n' is a *voiced* consonant). At least the modern pronunciation of visarga in pausa (if a pause follows it instead of a vowel or consonant) is with the so called echo vowel, that is, the vowel which precedes the visarga is repeated after it. Thus, the pronunciation of namaH, if a pause follows it, is /namaha/ or praps even /namahaa/. By teh same token, guruH /guruhu/, RSiH /RSihi/. (A rather cool example of the/a pronunciation of visarga can be found e.g. in the last suukta of Rgveda, I believe: pada-paaTha (word reading): samaanaH; mantraH; samitiH; samaanii saMhitaa-paaTha(sp?; sentence reading): samaano mantraH samitiH samaanii Pronunciation sounds to me like this: samaano (~samaanaw) mantras samitis samaanii.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
anyone here seriously? only funny jokers? malicious ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
could someone give me the address to a forum of discussion that is serious? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@... wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
I learned this list of sutras: Friendliness Compassion Happiness Strength of an elephant Bronchial tube Inner light Sun Moon Polestar Trachea Navel Distinction between intellect and transcendence Transcendence intuition Transcendence finest hearing Transcendence finest touch Transcendence finest sight Transcendence finest taste Transcendence finest smell. The levitation or flying technique, now known as Yogic Flying, is used in the same way as all other sutras: Relationship of body and akasha - lightness of cotton fiber. Anyone know of other versions ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Marcio, Please repeat what you have learned so far so we can corroborate it, or point out where you may have gotten things mixed up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha
[FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ?
:) fun --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: http://www.fogodechao.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: could someone give me the address to a forum of discussion that is serious? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: rude .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yes, you must concentrate until you bleed from your ears and develop a hernia. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: many tm-sidhis versions ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:53 AM No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. yea ok .. I understand I wrote it wrong the correct: audition touch vision taste smell ... but what is: concentrate like your life depended on it and what is: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha please explain ... you know another version cardie ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: No, no. The order is correct. You forgot the concentrate like your life depended on it part. mahaasnepa hearing sight taste *touch* smell. FWIW, the order seems to be: shabda *sparsha* ruupa rasa gandha To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] many tm-sidhis versions ?
which the list of sutras that were used by MMY .. in tM-Sidhi program, I know that he used various versions, I know this version : Friendliness Compassion Happiness Strength of an elephant Bronchial tube Inner light Sun Moon Polestar Trachea Navel Distinction between intellect and transcendence Transcendence intuition Transcendence finest hearing Transcendence finest sight Transcendence finest taste Transcendence finest touch Transcendence finest smell. The levitation or flying technique, now known as Yogic Flying, is used in the same way as all other sutras: Relationship of body and akasha - lightness of cotton fiber. Anyone know of other versions ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Hello, Authfriend I come in peace .. :) ... you could put the set that you know ... ? invisibility and walk on walls? ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Marcio wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason? On the original experimental courses, which were brought out at the moment the TM Org was about to go broke as a money-making idea, In fact, the original experimental courses took place smack in the middle of the Merv wave. some were discarded and some were kept. I can post the original set when I have time. Translation: I have no idea what they were, but I'll see if I can find somebody who's willing to tell me. The two I know of that were dropped (and which are a matter of public knowledge) were invisibility and walking through walls (not because they didn't work, the story went, but because they worked *too well*). Whether any others were dropped from the original experimental selection used on the six-month courses, I have no idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
ok my dear, sorry .. do not be angry .. not good for your soul .. What makes for good beyond, is to help .. This is called yama .. and I am no exmplo of perfection ... I am a sinner ... mistakes .. but am cristian .. and do not understand why not help .. but each one is walking with her own conscience .. and understand that what I say when MMY to keep secret .. is only for people who do not misrepresent knowledge .. teaching the wrong things ... thus knowledge is lost .. I think not be a matter of sin .. banned or something ... something immaculate .. seems true to me because it is only paying $ 2,500 and any thief or bandit can learn .. formalize my request forgiveness. rauchydog for Mrs. ... . and respect the horizons of her conscience .. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Excuse me ... I think he is selfish but because I think he does not charge anything to teach his daughter to his son .. or the father or the brother .. then it's a matter of point of view ok? No, not OK. First raunchydog is a she, not a he. Second, you know nothing *whatsoever* about her, so it's ridiculous for you to make assumptions about whether she charges family to teach them TM. TM teachers who are still loyal to MMY don't make the decision about what to charge for teaching. I don't know what TMO policy is about teaching family members, and neither do you. Nor do either of us know how much a teacher gets to keep of the teaching fee, if anything. So your complaints and accusations make no sense at all. Third, if you'd been paying attention, you'd have read in one of her recent posts that she hasn't taught *anybody* in many years. Fourth, none of this has anything to do with her teaching *you* advanced techniques, as I *and* she have already explained but you apparently didn't bother to read. I left those paragraphs from my post in so you could read them if you want to figure out where you're going wrong. As I said, you're way, *way* out of line on this. You need to apologize to raunchydog for harassing and insulting her. As to calling her selfish and saying she has no compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you already why she can't teach you any advanced techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and directions. Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is supposed to be telling other people what they are. Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to keep them private. Those who have posted their advanced techniques here have broken their word. That's their choice, but not everybody is willing to take their agreements so lightly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
I've asked for 'forgiveness if I acted wrongly .. but they never said you or anyone here is ignorant and arrogant .. sorry .. if you can please forgive me .. ok? not 'well you cultivate these feelings inside your soul .. I only desire to learn .. I teach everything I know .. but I know that people are not like me .. so forgive me .. and she is better that I at all .. ok? I'm not just anyone wishing to grow a soul .. you understand that? forgive me ok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: ok, someday you will open your heart .. and if ever you need someone ... that someone may not help you ok .. god bless .. I'm sure you're no christian She's a far better Christian than you'll ever be. You're an ignorant, arrogant, unpleasant jerk. And we really don't need another one of those around here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
forgive me please ok .. if you no if you do not want to teach, no problem .. I respect the horizons of your conscience .. then forgive me .. .. Jesus said .. Forgive to be 'forgiven ... and said also help all the needy .. . So forgive me ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: ok, someday you will open your heart .. and if ever you need someone ... that someone may not help you ok .. god bless .. I'm sure you're no christian I've been looking for an excuse to use the Yiddish word shmegegge in a sentence. It has a nice ring to it. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Good grief, Marcio. Give it a rest. Impugning my character isn't winning you any points. Maybe you missed it. So I'll repeat slowly: Maharishi...has...not...given...me...his...blessing...to teach advanced techniques to *anyone* including family and certainly not to you. I'm simply honoring my pledge to Maharishi to keep the teaching pure. Get it? I am not standing in the way of your happiness. Refusing to teach advanced techniques has nothing to do with you and everything to do with my personal realtionship with Maharishi and respect for his wishes. Tom offered you $10 grand. Stop asking him questions about it. Send him your name and address, then take the money and run. Preferably, not in my direction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
Joe I love you .. finally a true christian .. yes I am a seeker of truth my friend ... my heart is pure .. my heart is good .. and have difficulties with hard-hearted people .. selfish .. this materialistic world and weights .. is a difficult world .. of selfishness .. where dionheiro speaks Mayan high doque anything poor souls .. I do not like people. they only think of to promote .. and feel the owners of the truth .. the truth is free to all who wanted to pursue ... Thank you from the bottom of my heart .. and ask again forgiveness to all --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Hey man (or woman since you posted as Ana_Rose over at TMFree.com), I'm truly sorry you've been given such a hard time by folks here. Look, once and for all, I'll tell you everything you have been asking for and I won't charge you a dime. I come in peace, to quote you. Here's what you do: the advance techniques are to add the sounds Shree, Shree followed by your TM mantra, followed by the sound Namah, Namah. There is one more advance technique, and I am about to tell you what it is my friend. Now listen carefully, when you sit to meditate, close your eyes and gently begin the entire mantra: Shree, Shree, TM Mantra, Namah, Namah. If any thoughts intrude, PUSH THEM THE HELL OUT like your life depended on it, and and come SLAMMING BACK TO THE MANTRA. Concentrate on this mantra for all your worth. Ignore any headaches (even migraines) that may result. This is actually the highly secret 5th advanced technique. This highly purified form of incredibly focused CONCENTRATION on only the mantra, and nothing else, will lead you to an eternal bliss beyond nirvana, beyond Samadhi, beyond Brahman Consciousness, beyond even Fairfield Life my friend. Again my condolences for the frustration you have had to endure seeking the ultimate reality. You are clearly a sincere seeker of TRUTH. Go my friend, use this technique, and enjoy the Kingdom of Heaven that resides within youwithin your head. Blessings my child. Sri, Sri Joe-Ji --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Excuse me ... I think he is selfish but because I think he does not charge anything to teach his daughter to his son .. or the father or the brother .. then it's a matter of point of view ok? or you think any teacher who has knowledge of various techniques MMY, will charge $ 2,500 to his wife or son or father to teach these techniques ... is a matter of common sense, and if a teacher teaches his son not to say q he broke the purity of knowledge, and teach it to me, if he wishes .. it also will not break the purity of knowledge .. but if he does not want to teach, I do not understand why ... brothers for their children because it is probable that the instructors teach and do not cover $ 2,500 .. I'm not familiar with the forum so I cheated and posted several times the same thing .. ok sorry --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Marcio, just stop. You've left something like nine messages now asking the same thing in just a few hours, several of them only a couple of minutes apart. Do you really think raunchydog has nothing to do all day but sit in front of her computer just waiting to read and reply to your posts the instant they appear? She drops by the forum from time to time. She may not be back for days. If she sees one of your posts the next time she's here, she'll probably reply to it (although in my opinion you have no business asking her personal questions, and she is under no obligation to answer them). As to calling her selfish and saying she has no compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you already why she can't teach you any advanced techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and directions. Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is supposed to be telling other people what they are. Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to keep them private. Those who have posted their advanced techniques here have broken their word. That's their choice, but not everybody is willing to take their agreements so lightly. So you're *way* out of line in a number of different ways in your harassment of raunchydog. Just stop it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter
[FairfieldLife] Re: Advanced fertilizers
:) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: Right Marcio, be nicea demon may be poking you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
what? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Be careful with the invisibility sutra. There have been wealth sidhas who practiced it and millions of their dollars just up and disappeared. Well, jahi shatrum, mahaabaaho, kaama-ruupaM dur-aasadam!? ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
I am grateful to him for MMY taught me to meditate ... but .. I practice more than 20 years my friend .. and I think it is not with money that was buying the entrance to the sky .. I believe that many pay $ 10,000 for two months to learn and never practiced TM .. then ... you must grow spiritually and not only think about money but look at the true intention of the heart of the people ... ok? I'm serious practitioner ... I give my life for meditation .. I stopped doing many things to keep meditating .. then .. There is also my sacrifice ... now think .. in someone who drinks smokes .. only do things wrong .. and want to learn to meditate .. Ok .. he pays and learn right? .. after 3 months he never practiced ... now look, my case, I'm practicing for over 20 years every day ... see the difference .. ... reason and because I am treated equally by the TMO? think about it --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and if I see a person in trouble and I can help I'll help, you will not help .. ? even if it is free .. MMY not paid one cent to enlighten you understand? That's right, He did did not pay with money, instead He sacrificed His whole life to help us. Frankly your pathetic cry about money makes me want to puke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
I am grateful to him for MMY taught me to meditate ... but .. I practice more than 20 years my friend .. and I think it is not with money that was buying the entrance to the sky .. I believe that many pay $ 10,000 for two months to learn and never practiced TM .. then ... you must grow spiritually and not only think about money but look at the true intention of the heart of the people ... ok? I'm serious practitioner ... I give my life for meditation .. I stopped doing many things to keep meditating .. then .. There is also my sacrifice ... now think .. in someone who drinks smokes .. only do things wrong .. and want to learn to meditate .. Ok .. he pays and learn right? .. after 3 months he never practiced ... now look, my case, I'm practicing for over 20 years every day ... see the difference .. ... reason and because I am treated equally by the TMO? think about it if you can --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and if I see a person in trouble and I can help I'll help, you will not help .. ? even if it is free .. MMY not paid one cent to enlighten you understand? That's right, He did did not pay with money, instead He sacrificed His whole life to help us. Frankly your pathetic cry about money makes me want to puke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
yes I practice every day ... every day more than 20 years .. MMY and I think is a very enlightened master .. and thank all the blessings that I got to learn to meditate --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: I don't get it, Marco. Are you a troll or something? Do you practice TM or not? --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 6:25 AM I am grateful to him for MMY taught me to meditate ... but .. I practice more than 20 years my friend .. and I think it is not with money that was buying the entrance to the sky .. I believe that many pay $ 10,000 for two months to learn and never practiced TM .. then ... you must grow spiritually and not only think about money but look at the true intention of the heart of the people ... ok? I'm serious practitioner ... I give my life for meditation .. I stopped doing many things to keep meditating .. then .. There is also my sacrifice ... now think .. in someone who drinks smokes .. only do things wrong .. and want to learn to meditate .. Ok .. he pays and learn right? .. after 3 months he never practiced ... now look, my case, I'm practicing for over 20 years every day ... see the difference .. ... reason and because I am treated equally by the TMO? think about it --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and if I see a person in trouble and I can help I'll help, you will not help .. ? even if it is free .. MMY not paid one cent to enlighten you understand? That's right, He did did not pay with money, instead He sacrificed His whole life to help us. Frankly your pathetic cry about money makes me want to puke. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
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Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1...@gmail.com.br
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your heart, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your heart, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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ho willy there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ? you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I forget... sparaig: I would never consider practicing any extension... Are you seriously suggesting that the only way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a common Hindi word found in everyday Indian conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary? This is just outrageous!
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Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I KNOW NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR TO DO ALL THESE TM OVER 20 YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS ... MY ONLY THOUGHT I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND I GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. ALL TECHNIQUES AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. MONEY MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ? PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff? It is mass marketed yoga lite. I would suggest hanging out at some other organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn what they do. Just do some information gathering. Read Dr. Robert Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions. Read some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background. Read Swami Muktananda's stuff. Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for the fame and money. Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking for big followings. On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote: ho willy there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ? you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@ wrote: Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I forget... sparaig: I would never consider practicing any extension... Are you seriously suggesting that the only way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a common Hindi word found in everyday Indian conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary? This is just outrageous!
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I agree with you but I really like TM .. and I like everything about Parendi techniques tm .. i know there are more than 7 vaj .. put here because this is the reason of my interest .. and I am very grateful to you and all who are helping me .. but I think RD could ensinr .. and stop being selfish --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: Mario: Various contributors have laid out the options for you, and you need to choose and stop complaining about the $$. That's the way it is. But you're making a big mistake sticking ONLY with TM. Get in sync with Ramana Maharshi. In the meantime, just preface your mantra with Sri. That's the advanced technique, as already stated by Willytex. Save your money. ... American saying If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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Bhairitu you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY reason why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it and you could tell me what you've learned I'm interested .. also .. I am not a fanatic by TM .. I am open to new knowledge .. If you can answer me I would greatly appreciate it .. because I am a seeker of yoga .. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: There are plenty of other very powerful techniques than TM. I really don't care if you're grateful to TM for changing your life maybe something else might have also. You don't know. But ignorance of other techniques is simply ignorance. I'm grateful that I learned about other schools of though, went to India where I learned things and 10 years ago was initiated into tantra by an authentic tantric guru here in the states. I haven't looked back since. Since I was also made a TM teacher and a governor I left TM in it's package when I moved on. On 01/07/2011 01:19 PM, Marcio wrote: FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I KNOW NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR TO DO ALL THESE TM OVER 20 YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS ... MY ONLY THOUGHT I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND I GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. ALL TECHNIQUES AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. MONEY MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ? PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff? It is mass marketed yoga lite. I would suggest hanging out at some other organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn what they do. Just do some information gathering. Read Dr. Robert Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions. Read some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background. Read Swami Muktananda's stuff. Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for the fame and money. Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking for big followings. On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote: ho willy there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ? you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@ wrote: Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I forget... sparaig: I would never consider practicing any extension... Are you seriously suggesting that the only way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a common Hindi word found in everyday Indian conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary? This is just outrageous!
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sal you funny ... this is good ... yes I know .. and I received this information from official teacher tm .. But shri shri mantra namah namah , and shri shri mantra mantra namah namah .. I do not know if this correct ... but I'll tell you to send $ 7,500 .. send your bank account ... :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Marcio wrote: Bhairitu you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY reason why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it Marcio, Not sure if this ground has already been covered, but here are the first 3: sri, sri, (your mantra) namah Sri is pronounced like shree. You can just send the $7500 to me instead. :) Sal
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Hi Tom sorry .. my english is not good .. I do not understand correctly the $ 10,000 :-) but you could tell me what their techniques? send to my email .. tmer1...@gmail.com I give you money:) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: sal you funny ... this is good ... yes I know .. and I received this information from official teacher tm .. But shri shri mantra namah namah , and shri shri mantra mantra namah namah .. I do not know if this correct ... but I'll tell you to send $ 7,500 .. send your bank account ... :) Marcio, this is not true for all. My initial mantra, which I've never seen posted anywhere, lasted through my 4th advanced technique, then it was changed. Send me no money. Instead, send me your full name and address so I can send you a cashiers/treasurers check for $10,000. Just cash the check and wire me back 10% of it, OK?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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sorry I did not understand what you mean .. I do not understand english very well .. I do not write very well English ... techniques you have to offer me right? And you want some money for them is it? what techniques do you have? these techniques are the TM? but I do not have $ 10,000 i use google translator :) maybe I misunderstood --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: Hi Tom sorry .. my english is not good .. I do not understand correctly the $ 10,000 :-) but you could tell me what their techniques? send to my email .. tmer1...@... I give you money:) Your English is not good? My original mantra and advanced techniques will not work for you. They are only good for people whose native language is the President's English. Perhaps you can switch to Herbert Benson's meditation, starting with the mantra one? I can give you the advanced techniques for Benson's meditation. The mantras go one, two, three, four and so on.
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you are funny .. this is good --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: ho willy there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ? Be careful with the invisibility sutra. There have been wealth sidhas who practiced it and millions of their dollars just up and disappeared.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?
Excuse me ... I think he is selfish but because I think he does not charge anything to teach his daughter to his son .. or the father or the brother .. then it's a matter of point of view ok? or you think any teacher who has knowledge of various techniques MMY, will charge $ 2,500 to his wife or son or father to teach these techniques ... is a matter of common sense, and if a teacher teaches his son not to say q he broke the purity of knowledge, and teach it to me, if he wishes .. it also will not break the purity of knowledge .. but if he does not want to teach, I do not understand why ... brothers for their children because it is probable that the instructors teach and do not cover $ 2,500 .. I'm not familiar with the forum so I cheated and posted several times the same thing .. ok sorry --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Marcio, just stop. You've left something like nine messages now asking the same thing in just a few hours, several of them only a couple of minutes apart. Do you really think raunchydog has nothing to do all day but sit in front of her computer just waiting to read and reply to your posts the instant they appear? She drops by the forum from time to time. She may not be back for days. If she sees one of your posts the next time she's here, she'll probably reply to it (although in my opinion you have no business asking her personal questions, and she is under no obligation to answer them). As to calling her selfish and saying she has no compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you already why she can't teach you any advanced techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and directions. Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is supposed to be telling other people what they are. Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to keep them private. Those who have posted their advanced techniques here have broken their word. That's their choice, but not everybody is willing to take their agreements so lightly. So you're *way* out of line in a number of different ways in your harassment of raunchydog. Just stop it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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ok, someday you will open your heart .. and if ever you need someone ... that someone may not help you ok .. god bless .. I'm sure you're no christian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Good grief, Marcio. Give it a rest. Impugning my character isn't winning you any points. Maybe you missed it. So I'll repeat slowly: Maharishi...has...not...given...me...his...blessing...to teach advanced techniques to *anyone* including family and certainly not to you. I'm simply honoring my pledge to Maharishi to keep the teaching pure. Get it? I am not standing in the way of your happiness. Refusing to teach advanced techniques has nothing to do with you and everything to do with my personal realtionship with Maharishi and respect for his wishes. Tom offered you $10 grand. Stop asking him questions about it. Send him your name and address, then take the money and run. Preferably, not in my direction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@ I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be happy.
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hahahahahahaa:) funny --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: I second this. Marco, you can't learn to meditate properly without some personal instruction. Already you are confused. It just won't work for you. A description of how to meditate is not the same as the prescription of how to do it. But he's begging! He's crying out! Oh heart of mine be still! I need the imparting of the Shree, or the Namah to quiet this agitation and make me whole. Oh Vaj, Oh Raunch have mercy upon me! Don't keep the mystic syllables on the gross. Left to my own devices, they will endlessly float on the surface, unable to find their way to the finer, subtler levels of my mind. Would y0u leave me as a stone dropped from a height that comes crashing down? Oh, what cruel fate has behallen me. I pine only to be the leaf that floats, floats, and slowly, delectibly, reaches that most quiet part of my being where I can finally find peace. I beseech you! Impart, impart the mantras without delay!
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ok ... but i know there many several tecnics ... after these --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... Marcio, for God's sakes get the mantras. Practice the techniques! You are getting more incoherent by the minute. You may not be familiar with the song, You do the hokey pokey, but try this. You put the Shree in front, you put the Namah in back, you put the Shree in front, and you do it all again. You do the repitition and then you do it all again. That's what it's all about
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and if I see a person in trouble and I can help I'll help, you will not help .. ? even if it is free .. MMY not paid one cent to enlighten you understand? So I do not think it's interesting the lighting business, having to pay thousands U.S. dollars to enter the sky --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: but Marcio, how would you feel about a cousin, or maybe a second cousin once removed. On the other hand, does a stepson, or step daughter get a full discount,or just a partial discount. Where do you come down on this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Excuse me ... I think he is selfish but because I think he does not charge anything to teach his daughter to his son .. or the father or the brother .. then it's a matter of point of view ok? or you think any teacher who has knowledge of various techniques MMY, will charge $ 2,500 to his wife or son or father to teach these techniques ... is a matter of common sense, and if a teacher teaches his son not to say q he broke the purity of knowledge, and teach it to me, if he wishes .. it also will not break the purity of knowledge .. but if he does not want to teach, I do not understand why ... brothers for their children because it is probable that the instructors teach and do not cover $ 2,500 .. I'm not familiar with the forum so I cheated and posted several times the same thing .. ok sorry --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Marcio, just stop. You've left something like nine messages now asking the same thing in just a few hours, several of them only a couple of minutes apart. Do you really think raunchydog has nothing to do all day but sit in front of her computer just waiting to read and reply to your posts the instant they appear? She drops by the forum from time to time. She may not be back for days. If she sees one of your posts the next time she's here, she'll probably reply to it (although in my opinion you have no business asking her personal questions, and she is under no obligation to answer them). As to calling her selfish and saying she has no compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you already why she can't teach you any advanced techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and directions. Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is supposed to be telling other people what they are. Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to keep them private. Those who have posted their advanced techniques here have broken their word. That's their choice, but not everybody is willing to take their agreements so lightly. So you're *way* out of line in a number of different ways in your harassment of raunchydog. Just stop it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog ? you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please answer? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from their children? you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ... open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok? you'll feel better --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: Raunchydog I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20
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OK .. Vaj thank you so much you seem to know much about these techniques,,, could you detail here the tm-dhis do you know? who's Tat Walla Baba ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Marcio wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason? On the original experimental courses, which were brought out at the moment the TM Org was about to go broke as a money-making idea, some were discarded and some were kept. I can post the original set when I have time. According to the successor of Tat Walla Baba there were several defects in the TM-Sidhi program: one was what you mention, they are supposed to ALL be done in sequence, not merely a subset. They are also supposed to be done in natural language, Sanskrit (not English). Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and his successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite emphatic on not cultivating yogic siddhis at all, it's not supportive of balanced awakening and also tends to make some people very egocentric. They get enamoured with their own experiences or experience in general
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ok whynotnow7 thankyou I practice TM-siddhis and my list is equal to that list vaj put here previously, ... but I know there are other versions ... inlcisive of invisibilidae ... could you describe your list of sutras that you have received from MMY? or send to my email tmer1...@gmail.com thank you again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote: Yeah, Maharishi developed a sequence from Patanjali's work that he felt would bring about a coherent unfolding or expansion of consciousness. I did them for many years and found them very helpful, but too powerful - by that I mean I had trouble grounding myself over time, to continue (and time consuming...). I think its a credible spiritual product (TM-Sidhis), though quite expensive now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason?
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i pratice tmsidhis for 20 yers :) WillyTex very good .. very good .. could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? how many minutes .. sitting or lying thankyou or send for my email tmer1...@gmail.com (you have good knowledge about these techniques) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Marcio: ...everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing... It's very common for TM Teachers to keep secrets - that's why even the ex-TM Teachers on the forum won't tell you the secrets of the MMY's advanced techniques. After years of reading the messages these people post, I must say I'm really disappointed - they suck as informants! The first advanced technique was popularly known as the 'Night Technique' and is one of the most subtle and profound yoga techniques known to adepts. The technique involves a type of siddha yoga to be performed just before sleeping. The Night Technique involves empowerment, pure and simple, and comes naturally, based on one's spiritual evolution. It is akin to 'dejavu', that is, the ability to remember, on a very subtle level, a previous life experience. This special sense of perception or seeing, involves yet another further subtlety, a very subtle perception of an altered STATE previously experienced, whether in this life or the past. The Night Technique is best performed in a personal zone of tranquility, one that is built and arranged according to Vastu principles. In addition, the orientation of the body is crucial to the success of these types of siddha yoga, an aspect often overlooked by beginners, who unwittingly sometimes sit or sleep with their backs toward the south door. Most TMers only repeat the bija portion of their mantra when they sit in meditation. However, according to Marshy, in deep sleep the entire mantra with the sri and the namah may be repeated. When I practice Marshy's secret Night Technique, I often fall asleep with the bija portion of my mantra still in my mind. When practicing the Night Technique, Satyanand advised me to be aware of the area just above my heart chakra, and to put the bija there and let it rest. Then, all you have to do is babysit your bija, right on your heart chakra. Just set it, and forget it! By resting your bija at the heart chakra, the subtle currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being. For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning. By resting the bija portion of her name, that is, 'aing', at the heart chakra, my intelligence grows by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping! Then, when I awake in the morning I will feel refreshed and full of energy and knowledge. With the Night Technique you can forget about using an alarm clock to wake up. You just formulate in your mind what time you would like to awaken. It's that simple!
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steve.sundur cool friend I only asked if the techniques are true, because these techniques are across the network, available on the internet .. but where did they originate? someone put for fun .. or actually received from MMY? I do not doubt Vaj or anyone on this forum ... this is not the focus of the question, I come in peace okay? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Marcio, you seem rather pathetic. You got what you wanted, but you go on and on with, Are you sure it's true Vaj? Is it really true Vaj? You're not putting me on,are you Vaj? If you still have so much doubt, why not pay for the techniques and find out. After all, he could be fooling you. Maybe they got changed, or maybe updated. Stranger things have happened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: wow very good Vaj thank you so much ...:) :) :) :) these advanced techniques you think are true ? thank you again .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Marcio wrote: You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want to pay dollars to learn http://minet.org/ http://minet.org/mantras.html The TM and TM-Sidhi Techniques As reported in the TM-EX Newsletter, and from other sources. Disclaimer - read this first. All information here is provided for historical and research purposes only. Information and program details obtained from this website are not to be used for the purpose of meditation. Website contents are not furnished for the facilitation of, or use in, meditation, any kind of mental practice or exercise, or for any other purpose whatsoever. This website and its author do not and will not provide meditation instruction by any means. Repetitious? Yes, because some people can't take a hint. Provided for historical and research purposes only. That means, these mantras and other information about these programs are not here for you to use for meditation, or use them for any other purpose. In case it isn't already obvious to you, this website is that of a critic who no longer practices TM, and who is, depending on the weather, indifferent to TM, critical of TM, and openly laughing at the silliness of the TM programs. (You wasted your money on this crap? [Join the club.]) And, yeah, every so often I'm just a tiny, tiny bit angry at the fact that a very few people have gained wealth and power through the creation of this very elaborate, intricate, complicated mountain of bullshit, through which many people have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours if not lifetimes. But this website is done, it's been sitting here mostly unchanged for almost ten years, and frankly I now care very little about Transcendental Meditation and the organizations that teach it, except as a cultural and social phenomenon specific to a few decades of contemporary American history. Nor do I care what you think of me or this website. The mantras and program details were provided to me by former TM teachers in the distant past. They are placed here just to show that all they are, are a few silly little syllables that are neither unique to the meditator nor were they selected by some elaborate secret method. Now, if for some reason the above is unclear to you, and you're sitting there composing an e-mail to me about these mantras that starts out I read the disclaimer but, well, don't. Go here and read some snippets of previous e-mails I've received, instead. The TM technique is simple mental repetition of a mantra or word. The TM movement claims that only specific words can be used. They claim that the selection of words is based upon a secret formula. Court documents have shed some light on this secret process. It is nothing other than a set of words given out by age, and/or age and sex, depending on the teacher training course the TM teacher attended. The TM-Sidhi program is nothing other than a set of sutras (words or phrases), mentally repeated every fifteen seconds after doing a twenty minute session of TM. Each sutra is repeated twice, with a 15 second pause in between each repetition. The TM Mantra Tables 1961 1969-Male 1969-Female Fiuggi, 1972 Sex Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra MALE RAM 0-15 ING 0-15 IM 10-11 ING FEMALE SHIRIRAM 15-30 AING 15-30 AIM 12-13 IM 30-45 SHRING 30-45 SHRIM 14-15 INGA 46 + SHIAM 46 + SHIAMA 16-17 IMA 18-19 AYING 20-21 AYIM 22-23 AYINGA 24
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very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes to my mind in the heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing .. .. Aing or just keep it in my mind subtly subtly until I forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..? then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I forget --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL.
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tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: From: WillyTex willy...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
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i pratice tm 20years .. and i learn form tm teacher official .. and i am tm=-sdhis too . i only want learn advanced tecchiques ok ? you undertand ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: From: WillyTex willytex@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join
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how do you explain this? or you withdrew from your own mind? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Precisely! And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not transcend and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) will be a dead end. Sorry, you have to pay some $ to somebody...even in Traditions claiming free. http://www.fantasygallery.net/blanche/art_3_dead-end.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: From: WillyTex willytex@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr
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good willy ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Peter: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly... You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a thing or two instead of trying to get him to pay more money? Marcio doesn't want to give your TMO another $2,500! Get a grip, Doctor!
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good willy ... you are correct .. i want learn advanced techniques. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Peter: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly... You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a thing or two instead of trying to get him to pay more money? Marcio doesn't want to give your TMO another $2,500! Get a grip, Doctor!
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hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special techniques? thank you in advanced
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Vaj you're funny, now is only 2-3 months between one technique and another ... but you know what techniques? can you describe for us? thankyou --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special techniques? thank you in advanced The advanced techniques are an opportunity to tap your ability to accept the incredible source of bullshit within. Here's how it works currently: All those who have been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or an Advanced Technique regularly for a minimum of 18 months may apply for instruction in an Advanced Technique. It is recommended that one continuesto receive Advanced Techniques regularly every 18 months. There must beat least six months between learning an Advanced Technique and learningthe TM-Sidhi®program. Take TM, 2500 USD... wait 18 months, cough up 2500 more dollars for 1st advanced technique 2nd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 3rd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 4th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 5th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 6th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 7th advanced technique...2500 more dollars Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not include TM Sidhi program. Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US dollars. That's a lot of fertilizer.
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Vaj you're funny, now is only 2-3 months between one technique and another ... but you know what techniques? can you describe for us? thankyou --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special techniques? thank you in advanced The advanced techniques are an opportunity to tap your ability to accept the incredible source of bullshit within. Here's how it works currently: All those who have been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or an Advanced Technique regularly for a minimum of 18 months may apply for instruction in an Advanced Technique. It is recommended that one continuesto receive Advanced Techniques regularly every 18 months. There must beat least six months between learning an Advanced Technique and learningthe TM-Sidhi®program. Take TM, 2500 USD... wait 18 months, cough up 2500 more dollars for 1st advanced technique 2nd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 3rd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 4th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 5th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 6th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 7th advanced technique...2500 more dollars Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not include TM Sidhi program. Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US dollars. That's a lot of fertilizer.
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thank you turquoise sri pronunciation (shri) is like sh in Fresh? but and the other six techniques you can say in detail? or do you not know? thank you so much --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special techniques? thank you in advanced The advanced techniques are an opportunity to tap your ability to accept the incredible source of bullshit within. Here's how it works currently: All those who have been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or an Advanced Technique regularly for a minimum of 18 months may apply for instruction in an Advanced Technique. It is recommended that one continues to receive Advanced Techniques regularly every 18 months. There must be at least six months between learning an Advanced Technique and learning the TM-Sidhi® program. Take TM, 2500 USD... wait 18 months, cough up 2500 more dollars for 1st advanced technique 2nd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 3rd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 4th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 5th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 6th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 7th advanced technique...2500 more dollars Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not include TM Sidhi program. Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US dollars. That's a lot of fertilizer. I'll save you some time. For the first one, just add namah to your existing mantra, at the end. (Namah means I bow down, so you are essentially bowing down to the deity represented by your mantra.) For the second, just add sri before the mantra combination above. (Sri means glorious or exalted, so in addition to bowing down to the deity in question, you are now toadying up by telling him/her how marvelous he/she is.) There. I've just saved you $5000 and three years of waiting. :-) Might I suggest that anyone who runs in screaming that I'm violating some vow of privacy by telling the truth about this and that I'm messing with your innocence is in my opinion not concerned about you at all. They're really hoping to keep secret the fact that they paid this much money (or at the very least a sizable sum) to get the same information directly from the TMO. Some don't want others to know how much they paid for ferti- lizer out of fear that those others might consider them gullible idiots. Turq, CEO Recovering Gullible Idiots 'R Us, Inc.
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You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want to pay dollars to learn --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: thank you turquoise sri pronunciation (shri) is like sh in Fresh? but and the other six techniques you can say in detail? or do you not know? thank you so much I don't know. I got a bunch of them back during my Gullible Idiot days, but haven't practiced any of them for decades and thus don't remember any more right now other than one that added sri sri at the front rather than a single sri. I assume that this was a technique for those who felt that a single sri was not toadying enough. :-) All comments in parentheses in my original post are MY OPINION. You are not likely to get this inform- ation from the TM organization, although IMO as a former TM teacher it is all true. The TMO will never tell you the meaning of the mantras they sell or the syllables they tack on to them as extra-cost add-ons, and will use weasel words like fertilizer to avoid doing so. Vaj's perspective is colored by the fact that he, like me, has learned meditation techniques from other organizations, none of whom nickle and dime their students to death by trying to sell them pieces of a mantra that should have been complete in the first place. Me, I don't do mantra medi- tation at all, so this is all academic to me. To put this in perspective, some have had good results with the TM technique itself, and with the advanced techniques that they sell. You may gather that I am not one of them. :-) So I'd suggest that you take neither my word or Vaj's as definitive, and do your own investigating if you are sincerely interested in this subject. Caveat emptor, no matter what the source of information is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Marcio wrote: hello .. I wonder .. Anyone know all the techniques taught by MMY ... ? advanced techniques known as fertilizer? or special techniques? thank you in advanced The advanced techniques are an opportunity to tap your ability to accept the incredible source of bullshit within. Here's how it works currently: All those who have been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique or an Advanced Technique regularly for a minimum of 18 months may apply for instruction in an Advanced Technique. It is recommended that one continues to receive Advanced Techniques regularly every 18 months. There must be at least six months between learning an Advanced Technique and learning the TM-Sidhi® program. Take TM, 2500 USD... wait 18 months, cough up 2500 more dollars for 1st advanced technique 2nd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 3rd advanced technique...2500 more dollars 4th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 5th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 6th advanced technique...2500 more dollars 7th advanced technique...2500 more dollars Total time spent: about 12 years. Does not include TM Sidhi program. Total dollar amount: approx. 20,000 US dollars. That's a lot of fertilizer. I'll save you some time. For the first one, just add namah to your existing mantra, at the end. (Namah means I bow down, so you are essentially bowing down to the deity represented by your mantra.) For the second, just add sri before the mantra combination above. (Sri means glorious or exalted, so in addition to bowing down to the deity in question, you are now toadying up by telling him/her how marvelous he/she is.) There. I've just saved you $5000 and three years of waiting. :-) Might I suggest that anyone who runs in screaming that I'm violating some vow of privacy by telling the truth about this and that I'm messing with your innocence is in my opinion not concerned about you at all. They're really hoping to keep secret the fact that they paid this much money (or at the very least a sizable sum) to get the same information directly from the TMO. Some don't want others to know how much they paid for ferti- lizer out of fear that those others might consider them gullible idiots. Turq, CEO Recovering Gullible Idiots 'R Us, Inc.
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wow very good Vaj thank you so much ...:) :) :) :) these advanced techniques you think are true ? thank you again .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Marcio wrote: You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want to pay dollars to learn http://minet.org/ http://minet.org/mantras.html The TM and TM-Sidhi Techniques As reported in the TM-EX Newsletter, and from other sources. Disclaimer - read this first. All information here is provided for historical and research purposes only. Information and program details obtained from this website are not to be used for the purpose of meditation. Website contents are not furnished for the facilitation of, or use in, meditation, any kind of mental practice or exercise, or for any other purpose whatsoever. This website and its author do not and will not provide meditation instruction by any means. Repetitious? Yes, because some people can't take a hint. Provided for historical and research purposes only. That means, these mantras and other information about these programs are not here for you to use for meditation, or use them for any other purpose. In case it isn't already obvious to you, this website is that of a critic who no longer practices TM, and who is, depending on the weather, indifferent to TM, critical of TM, and openly laughing at the silliness of the TM programs. (You wasted your money on this crap? [Join the club.]) And, yeah, every so often I'm just a tiny, tiny bit angry at the fact that a very few people have gained wealth and power through the creation of this very elaborate, intricate, complicated mountain of bullshit, through which many people have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours if not lifetimes. But this website is done, it's been sitting here mostly unchanged for almost ten years, and frankly I now care very little about Transcendental Meditation and the organizations that teach it, except as a cultural and social phenomenon specific to a few decades of contemporary American history. Nor do I care what you think of me or this website. The mantras and program details were provided to me by former TM teachers in the distant past. They are placed here just to show that all they are, are a few silly little syllables that are neither unique to the meditator nor were they selected by some elaborate secret method. Now, if for some reason the above is unclear to you, and you're sitting there composing an e-mail to me about these mantras that starts out I read the disclaimer but, well, don't. Go here and read some snippets of previous e-mails I've received, instead. The TM technique is simple mental repetition of a mantra or word. The TM movement claims that only specific words can be used. They claim that the selection of words is based upon a secret formula. Court documents have shed some light on this secret process. It is nothing other than a set of words given out by age, and/or age and sex, depending on the teacher training course the TM teacher attended. The TM-Sidhi program is nothing other than a set of sutras (words or phrases), mentally repeated every fifteen seconds after doing a twenty minute session of TM. Each sutra is repeated twice, with a 15 second pause in between each repetition. The TM Mantra Tables 1961 1969-Male 1969-Female Fiuggi, 1972 Sex Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra MALE RAM 0-15 ING 0-15 IM 10-11 ING FEMALE SHIRIRAM 15-30 AING 15-30 AIM 12-13 IM 30-45 SHRING 30-45 SHRIM 14-15 INGA 46 + SHIAM 46 + SHIAMA 16-17 IMA 18-19 AYING 20-21 AYIM 22-23 AYINGA 24-25 AYIMA 25 SHIRING 1976 1977 1978 October,1978 1987 Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra 03-10 ENG 03-10 ING 0-11 ENG 10-12 EM 10-12 IN 10-12 ENG 10-12 ENG 12-14 ENGA 12-14 INGA 12-14 EM 12-14 EM 12-13 EM 14-16 EMA 14-16 INA 14-16 EMGA 14-16 ENGA 14-15 ENGA 16-18 AENG 16-18 AING 16-18 EMA 16-18 EMA 16-17 EMA 18-20 AEM 18-20 AIM 18-20 AENG 18-20 AING 18-19 AING 20-22 AENGA 20-22 AINGA 20-22 AEM 20-22 AIM 20-21 AIM 22-24 AEMA 22-24 AIMA 22-24 AENGA 22-24 AINGA 22-23 AINGA 24-26 AEMA 24-26 AIMA 24-25 AIMA 24-30 SHIRING 24-30 SHIRING 26-30 SHIRING 26-30 SHIRING 26-29 SHIRING 30-35 SHIRIM 30-35 SHIRIN 30-35 SHIRIM 30-35 SHIRIM 30-34 SHIRIM 35-40 HIRING 35-40 HIRING 35-40 HIRING 35-40 HIRING 35-39 HIRING 40-45 HIRIM 40-45 HIRIN 40-45 HIRIM 40-45 HIRIM 40-44 HIRIM 45-50 KIRING 45-50 KIRING 45-50 KIRING 45-50 KIRING 45-49 KIRING 50-55 KIRIM 50-55 KIRIN 50-55 KIRIM 50-55 KIRIM 50-54 KIRIM 55-60 SHIAM 55-60 SHIAM 55-60 SHYAM 55-60 SHIAM
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hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced techniques, or TM for that matter, so that your negative assessment of these techniques is pure speculation and bias. Ever hear the expression, Don't knock it 'til you've tried it? I haven't done any of the advanced techniques either, as I considered them too expensive at $200 a pop several decades ago. Probably better for you not to mislead others here as to your (non-existent) experience with all things TM. Thinking you've done it and actually being initiated into TM are two very different things. BINGO It's also eveident that it did'nt take the Turq many days of coming back from his self-proclaimed exile, who nobody believed a word of anyway, before he is back to where he left off; 1) to forward his hatered towards the TMO and 2) to support the Vaj in all things perverted.
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ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason?
