[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous] TMO lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > >> > >> I tend to agree. While I too find much to fault the TMO about, I > > was > >> personally never lied to about TM or the TM-Sidhis, > > So you really did learn to fly, Jim? Yeah- close enough- the program definitely exceeded my expectations subjectively. Did some very looong hops, and also had some unimaginable experiences which broke some major boundaries. If anything, the advertising erred on the side of being too conservative, for me personally. > >> and they were > >> true to their word about my TM-Sidhis credit in 1979-80-- I worked > >> for the TMO for six months, was given the full CIC, worked another > >> six months for the TMO, and that was it. > > Great! I really am glad to hear someone got their credit. > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous] TMO lies
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I tend to agree. While I too find much to fault the TMO about, I > was >> personally never lied to about TM or the TM-Sidhis, So you really did learn to fly, Jim? >> and they were >> true to their word about my TM-Sidhis credit in 1979-80-- I worked >> for the TMO for six months, was given the full CIC, worked another >> six months for the TMO, and that was it. Great! I really am glad to hear someone got their credit. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous] TMO lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > If you worked on National or International staff this > > > type of behavior was quite common. We posted alot > > > about it several years ago. My little adventure was > > > with National in DC when we were fixing-up the hotel > > > on Purusha and I was in charge of housekeeping. I was > > > in on the meeting when two people on national staff > > > tricked a vaccum cleaner salesman into lending us > > > about a dozen very high-end commercial vaccum cleaners > > > ($1000.00 each) for the weekend. They essentially told > > > him they were going to buy the vaccum cleaners but > > > they had absolutely no intention of doing so. We used > > > them for about 72 hours straight. They got very > > > trashed and banged-up and then on Monday he came to > > > collect his check and was told that we weren't > > > interested in buying them. I was livid but the two > > > National Staff guys told me to calm down. Real sleaze > > > bag ethics. The TMO, behaind the scenes is replete > > > with deception. And of course that grand daddy of them > > > all: THE PUNDIT PROJECTS!!! Not one f*cking cent has > > > gone towards bringing pundits to the US. Rationalize > > > and double speak all you want, but it an outright con > > > job orchestrated by MMY. > > > > > > TMO sleazy, or in some cases simply hardball business methods (not > a > > crime, and done by many businesses -- MMY was a very hard and > creative > > negotiator -- a postive trait in many businesses) is quite a > different > > thing from what TM / SIMS teachers were taught to do when > teaching. > > > > The latter is what I understand is the issue. Becasue MMY > negotiated > > hard for hotels and vegetables (some funny stories), and later some > > real deceit and scams occurred on the organizational / Int'l > levels, > > is not support for the assertion that SIMS teachers were > > systematically taught how to lie in their teaching intro courses. > > > > I tend to agree. While I too find much to fault the TMO about, I was > personally never lied to about TM or the TM-Sidhis, and they were > true to their word about my TM-Sidhis credit in 1979-80-- I worked > for the TMO for six months, was given the full CIC, worked another > six months for the TMO, and that was it. > > As for all the questions I could've asked about mantras, etc., my > first experience with TM and subsequent practice was rewarding > enough that I didn't concern myself with esoterica (e.g. how many > mantras are there? Where does the tradition come from?). I just > plain didn't care. After all a tradition, any tradition, is just a > long-term habit. > > As for the deceit and arrogance and stuff about the TMO, I always > stayed away from it once I was exposed to it. Something I think a > lot of the disenchanted ex teachers here didn't do was to take > responsibility for themselves when they became aware that either the > TMO or Maharishi was discovered to go against their ethics, values > or principles. > > I did, and so don't have to wallow in all of these recriminations > decades later. I had a somewhat similar experience. Although I always thought the teaching was wonderful, almost from Day One I thought the way MMY ran the movement was quite questionable. So there was always a grain of salt there for me when it came to MMY announcing this or that plan. As a result, I was never devastated so much when even greater sleaze was revealed years later. > Even if I didn't understand the particular behavior, > I've always been intuitive enough so that if it 'smelled' bad, I > stayed away. > > I would suggest that instead of continuing to rehash these old > stories about how X said Y but did Z, it is far easier to admit our > mistakes, lack of insight, whatever, and...move on. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous] TMO lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > If you worked on National or International staff this > > type of behavior was quite common. We posted alot > > about it several years ago. My little adventure was > > with National in DC when we were fixing-up the hotel > > on Purusha and I was in charge of housekeeping. I was > > in on the meeting when two people on national staff > > tricked a vaccum cleaner salesman into lending us > > about a dozen very high-end commercial vaccum cleaners > > ($1000.00 each) for the weekend. They essentially told > > him they were going to buy the vaccum cleaners but > > they had absolutely no intention of doing so. We used > > them for about 72 hours straight. They got very > > trashed and banged-up and then on Monday he came to > > collect his check and was told that we weren't > > interested in buying them. I was livid but the two > > National Staff guys told me to calm down. Real sleaze > > bag ethics. The TMO, behaind the scenes is replete > > with deception. And of course that grand daddy of them > > all: THE PUNDIT PROJECTS!!! Not one f*cking cent has > > gone towards bringing pundits to the US. Rationalize > > and double speak all you want, but it an outright con > > job orchestrated by MMY. > > > TMO sleazy, or in some cases simply hardball business methods (not a > crime, and done by many businesses -- MMY was a very hard and creative > negotiator -- a postive trait in many businesses) is quite a different > thing from what TM / SIMS teachers were taught to do when teaching. > > The latter is what I understand is the issue. Becasue MMY negotiated > hard for hotels and vegetables (some funny stories), and later some > real deceit and scams occurred on the organizational / Int'l levels, > is not support for the assertion that SIMS teachers were > systematically taught how to lie in their teaching intro courses. > I tend to agree. While I too find much to fault the TMO about, I was personally never lied to about TM or the TM-Sidhis, and they were true to their word about my TM-Sidhis credit in 1979-80-- I worked for the TMO for six months, was given the full CIC, worked another six months for the TMO, and that was it. As for all the questions I could've asked about mantras, etc., my first experience with TM and subsequent practice was rewarding enough that I didn't concern myself with esoterica (e.g. how many mantras are there? Where does the tradition come from?). I just plain didn't care. After all a tradition, any tradition, is just a long-term habit. As for the deceit and arrogance and stuff about the TMO, I always stayed away from it once I was exposed to it. Something I think a lot of the disenchanted ex teachers here didn't do was to take responsibility for themselves when they became aware that either the TMO or Maharishi was discovered to go against their ethics, values or principles. I did, and so don't have to wallow in all of these recriminations decades later. Even if I didn't understand the particular behavior, I've always been intuitive enough so that if it 'smelled' bad, I stayed away. I would suggest that instead of continuing to rehash these old stories about how X said Y but did Z, it is far easier to admit our mistakes, lack of insight, whatever, and...move on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/