Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Right on - yes, I recall your picture and you look far younger. Agree with all that you say - I never think about my age, well almost never - yet each day brings so much freshness and life, it is difficult to believe, we are actually aging. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not if you ask my daughter...Hey, Ann, I recall hearing, years ago, that those doing TM had a physiological age 7 years younger than their physical age, and for TMSP it was 11 years, I think. I am regularly mistaken for someone in his 40's, although I turn 60 in just a few months. I never feel my age, physically, and do not take particularly good care of myself, in order to achieve that - lol. Genetics play a part, but doing all that TM definitely changes the body to something less coarse, less susceptible to aging and stress, in general. Yes, I remember those figures now that you mention it. I haven't really meditated for 25 years but I also have the experience of people not thinking I am as ancient as I am. But I think it is because I just live my life without a real awareness of my age and I am pretty active and involved in a sport that keeps you having to be quick thinking and reasonably agile. Many times I think it is the way people hold themselves and move that creates an impression of vitality as opposed to how many wrinkles one has. Check it out, watch how the posture and movements effect our impression of someone's overall energy level and therefore sense of youthfulness of that person. I have always had a sort of boundless energy plus good genetics have helped in the less-aged face department and I am just vain enough to enjoy the fact no one can believe I am 57. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz And here is my latest toy, only this one isn't a toy but a very much alive fabulous creature who will be turning 5 at the end of April. I have called him Raphael which means healing from God. I recently lost two of my great horses - one to an intestinal strangulating lipoma and one from old age - and so his name is significant as it takes a long time to heal from a heart rendered in half by grief. But he is helping by simply being the character and youngster that he is. These were taken yesterday morning. I think they are big images for the page so you might have to manipulate the screen to see the whole thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Well, in order to be able to reliably notice more subtle aspects of perceptual, emotional and thinking reality, you need to have some level of quietude in the background. Otherwise, how can you tell if what you are perceiving is subtle, or just noise? L
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Not if you ask my daughter...Hey, Ann, I recall hearing, years ago, that those doing TM had a physiological age 7 years younger than their physical age, and for TMSP it was 11 years, I think. I am regularly mistaken for someone in his 40's, although I turn 60 in just a few months. I never feel my age, physically, and do not take particularly good care of myself, in order to achieve that - lol. Genetics play a part, but doing all that TM definitely changes the body to something less coarse, less susceptible to aging and stress, in general. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz Geez, it's true: You are an Adonis and with a golden stringed instrument. (sigh) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not if you ask my daughter...Hey, Ann, I recall hearing, years ago, that those doing TM had a physiological age 7 years younger than their physical age, and for TMSP it was 11 years, I think. I am regularly mistaken for someone in his 40's, although I turn 60 in just a few months. I never feel my age, physically, and do not take particularly good care of myself, in order to achieve that - lol. Genetics play a part, but doing all that TM definitely changes the body to something less coarse, less susceptible to aging and stress, in general. Yes, I remember those figures now that you mention it. I haven't really meditated for 25 years but I also have the experience of people not thinking I am as ancient as I am. But I think it is because I just live my life without a real awareness of my age and I am pretty active and involved in a sport that keeps you having to be quick thinking and reasonably agile. Many times I think it is the way people hold themselves and move that creates an impression of vitality as opposed to how many wrinkles one has. Check it out, watch how the posture and movements effect our impression of someone's overall energy level and therefore sense of youthfulness of that person. I have always had a sort of boundless energy plus good genetics have helped in the less-aged face department and I am just vain enough to enjoy the fact no one can believe I am 57. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz Geez, it's true: You are an Adonis and with a golden stringed instrument. (sigh) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Right on - yes, I recall your picture and you look far younger. Agree with all that you say - I never think about my age, well almost never - yet each day brings so much freshness and life, it is difficult to believe, we are actually aging. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not if you ask my daughter...Hey, Ann, I recall hearing, years ago, that those doing TM had a physiological age 7 years younger than their physical age, and for TMSP it was 11 years, I think. I am regularly mistaken for someone in his 40's, although I turn 60 in just a few months. I never feel my age, physically, and do not take particularly good care of myself, in order to achieve that - lol. Genetics play a part, but doing all that TM definitely changes the body to something less coarse, less susceptible to aging and stress, in general. Yes, I remember those figures now that you mention it. I haven't really meditated for 25 years but I also have the experience of people not thinking I am as ancient as I am. But I think it is because I just live my life without a real awareness of my age and I am pretty active and involved in a sport that keeps you having to be quick thinking and reasonably agile. Many times I think it is the way people hold themselves and move that creates an impression of vitality as opposed to how many wrinkles one has. Check it out, watch how the posture and movements effect our impression of someone's overall energy level and therefore sense of youthfulness of that person. I have always had a sort of boundless energy plus good genetics have helped in the less-aged face department and I am just vain enough to enjoy the fact no one can believe I am 57. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz Geez, it's true: You are an Adonis and with a golden stringed instrument. (sigh) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Like his mirror-ego the Turq he is obsessed with the sexuality of male spiritual leaders and enjoy dreaming about it. Like the Americans say; Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/19/2014 3:43 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: In your dream, what were you doing in Chinmoy's bedroom?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. On Thu, 3/20/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 4:00 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Christ, I should have known you would lionize Shri Chinmoy - another selfish, arrogant self indulgent egotistical narcissist who mentally, emotionally, financially and in every other way abused his followers all the while preaching celibacy while he was screwing every woman he could get his hands on. I find it best to allow others to live their lives the way they choose and to perhaps watch and learn. But to make a life-long hobby of worrying about what damaged and hypocritical humans do is a real waste of time and energy. Let Chinmoy screw his brains out. So what? If you and everyone else on this planet haven't figured out by now that the human species is severely flawed in countless ways and that we all share a similar challenge in our stumbling toward death then you need to do it soon or waste the second half of you existence ranting and agitating about things you have zero control over. It is not that I don't hold standards for human decency but I just can't worry about or control the foibles of others. On Wed, 3/19/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 5:01 PM John McLaughlin is 72 years young this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU%c2%a0(The Life Divine, with Carlos Santana, Montreux 2011, both students of the great Yogi Shri Chinmoy) John McLaughlin The 4th Dimensiom - Spain 2011 - FULL CONCERT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug Enjoy !
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Excellent! What is that halo of light I see around your head? You'll have to post a musical post nextand prepare for some critical review of your beginner's skills. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying,
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
That is a nice looking guitar - I am sure you may have said so here on FFL but how long have you been playing? On Thu, 3/20/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 6:22 PM Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Oh, *hell* no! I'm gonna get good, first. At least I can now say, legitimately, I've got blistahs on me fingahs... (with massive apologies to Geo Harrison...).:-)...time to run some scales, ouch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Excellent! What is that halo of light I see around your head? You'll have to post a musical post nextand prepare for some critical review of your beginner's skills. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Me, with my latest toy - Happy Spring! https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz https://app.box.com/s/94d8jim0fxltgijxidmz Geez, it's true: You are an Adonis and with a golden stringed instrument. (sigh) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't
[FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
John McLaughlin is 72 years young this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU (The Life Divine, with Carlos Santana, Montreux 2011, both students of the great Yogi Shri Chinmoy) John McLaughlin The 4th Dimensiom - Spain 2011 - FULL CONCERT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug Enjoy !
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Christ, I should have known you would lionize Shri Chinmoy - another selfish, arrogant self indulgent egotistical narcissist who mentally, emotionally, financially and in every other way abused his followers all the while preaching celibacy while he was screwing every woman he could get his hands on. On Wed, 3/19/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 5:01 PM John McLaughlin is 72 years young this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU (The Life Divine, with Carlos Santana, Montreux 2011, both students of the great Yogi Shri Chinmoy) John McLaughlin The 4th Dimensiom - Spain 2011 - FULL CONCERT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug Enjoy !
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
On 3/19/2014 12:43 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Christ, I should have known you would lionize Shri Chinmoy - another selfish, arrogant self indulgent egotistical narcissist who mentally, emotionally, financially and in every other way abused his followers all the while preaching celibacy while he was screwing every woman he could get his hands on. So, what would Chinmoy have to do now with John McLaughlin's creativity in old age? Go figure. According to what I've read, Barry's guru, Fred Lenz, was a Chinmoy follower beginning in 1972, but in 1981 he got kicked out of the cult and then started his own cult with Barry as one of the main cult leaders. Apparently Chinmoy did not charge fees for his spiritual guidance or for his music performances. In contrast, Lenz used to charge Barry thousands of dollars just to be able to witness a levitation event. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Chinmoy
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
To watch Sri Chinmoy was very interesting because he would transcend all the time and the bliss he created in the surroundings was immense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TE
RE: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To watch Sri Chinmoy was very interesting because he would transcend all the time and the bliss he created in the surroundings was immense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TE Did you ever see him in person?
RE: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Many times. He was a very generous man who filled the world with love and gave to countless souls the courage and the will to break boundaries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To watch Sri Chinmoy was very interesting because he would transcend all the time and the bliss he created in the surroundings was immense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TE Did you ever see him in person?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
On 3/19/2014 1:56 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: To watch Sri Chinmoy was very interesting because he would transcend all the time and the bliss he created in the surroundings was immense. According to Mark Laxer, Rama Lenz used to set up a photo of Sri Chinmoy on a table with some flowers and fruit, and then they would meditate together in front of it - Rama called the photo The Transcendental. Later, I guess Lenz stopped doing that, after he got kicked out of Chinmoy's cult, and so Lenz just hung a photo of himself on the wall for Barry and the others to gaze up at when they weren't watching him levitate. But, it's probably accurate to say that Chinmoy and Rama loved to meditate and were probably practicing a form of TM type meditation back then. The question is: What happened to Barry? Go figure.
RE: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
So all the people who said he was abusive, a liar and a hypocrite are lying? Deluded? Had a dream that he was screwing his female disciples when he preached celibacy? On Wed, 3/19/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:36 PM Many times. He was a very generous man who filled the world with love and gave to countless souls the courage and the will to break boundaries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To watch Sri Chinmoy was very interesting because he would transcend all the time and the bliss he created in the surroundings was immense.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_wtR-N7TEDid you ever see him in person?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
On 3/19/2014 3:43 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: So all the people who said he was abusive, a liar and a hypocrite are lying? Deluded? What does that have to do with McLaughlin's creativity in old age?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
On 3/19/2014 3:43 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Had a dream that he was screwing his female disciples when he preached celibacy? In your dream, what were you doing in Chinmoy's bedroom?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Christ, I should have known you would lionize Shri Chinmoy - another selfish, arrogant self indulgent egotistical narcissist who mentally, emotionally, financially and in every other way abused his followers all the while preaching celibacy while he was screwing every woman he could get his hands on. I find it best to allow others to live their lives the way they choose and to perhaps watch and learn. But to make a life-long hobby of worrying about what damaged and hypocritical humans do is a real waste of time and energy. Let Chinmoy screw his brains out. So what? If you and everyone else on this planet haven't figured out by now that the human species is severely flawed in countless ways and that we all share a similar challenge in our stumbling toward death then you need to do it soon or waste the second half of you existence ranting and agitating about things you have zero control over. It is not that I don't hold standards for human decency but I just can't worry about or control the foibles of others. On Wed, 3/19/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 5:01 PM John McLaughlin is 72 years young this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU%c2%a0( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU%c2%a0(The Life Divine, with Carlos Santana, Montreux 2011, both students of the great Yogi Shri Chinmoy) John McLaughlin The 4th Dimensiom - Spain 2011 - FULL CONCERT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug Enjoy !
