Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Socrates huh Bubba? Two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decide to go to college. Bubba goes first, and he is advised to take maths, history and logic. What's logic? says Bubba. Well, let me give you an example, says the professor. Do you own a tractor? Sure do, says Bubba. Okay. Then I assume, using logic, that you have a yard. That's real good, says Bubba, in awe. Logic also tells me that since you have a yard, you also have a house. Is that right? Gawly!” says Bubba. And since you own a house and a house is tough to take care of by yourself, the odds are that you have a wife. Right? Betty Mae! This is incredible! Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume you are heterosexual. Is that right? You are absolutely right! Why that's the most fascinatin' thang I ever heerd of. I can't wait to take this here logic class! Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, goes back into the hallway where Cooter is waiting. So what classes are ya takin’? says Cooter. Maths, history and logic, says Bubba. What in tarnation is logic? Let me give you an example, says Bubba. Do you own a tractor? No. Then you’re gay. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Single, yes. Live in a two bedroom house. Never been in the hills except to visit. I aspire to one day be as good a writer as the Turquoise Bee. He is to FFL as Socrates was to Athenian society. From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world This is not a joke MJ. Barry is hope for many, the losers of the world. People who don't have a successful career, people who haven't ever had a healthy relationship, people who live on the charity of others; they need not be in despair, they need not lose hope. They can look at Barry, and make something out of their cocooned, helpless lives. They can create fantastical tales, an online personas like a cult slayer, a successful IT professional, a movie reviewer and such, and, become a star of some Yahoo group just like Barry has. You of all people MJ, unbelievable; a single, southern trailer trash hilly billy, fixing computers for a living. Barry should be your hero, your idol, you should look up to Barry, venerate, worship him. Oh wait, never mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I really like your description of The_Leak as an old folks home for the spiritually timid. That's it, in a nutshell. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several
reasons.
First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who
has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy.
But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping
with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me
and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his
face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves,
and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his
betterness.
Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting
him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week,
I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts
directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
yep, its Dr. Dummy
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry,
Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am
*actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives,
ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-).
I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing,
fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The
flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker
reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young
baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and
Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-)
:-) :-)
All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional.
Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores
so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if
I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus
reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having
been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post
here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I
expected him to do. :-) :-) :-)
It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was
written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so
unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have
a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me
Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-)
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. :-) From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they aregiving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens ofthe larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have acouple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awardstonite. I should think that you are deservingtoo of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced stateof 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speakand write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets writtenon FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarseand malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target hereamidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of aMaharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate yourparticipation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I dofeel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that hasovertaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing youeven to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given youmuch more protection from it. But a recognition of your longercontribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Wow Barry this is impressive. What drama, intrigue, the brilliance of Barry Wright--the honest, moral upright citizen of the world. Assisting the CIA, Interpol and Yahoo in nabbing the International criminal, the master of Cyber Alias Obfuscation. Accused of illegal theft and transfer of millions of Yahoo aliases-- the notorious, dreaded Jim Flanegin, aka Jose Enlightened Dawn, of San Jose, California and kicking him out of FFL. Is there anything you can not do !?!?!?!?!? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
well, then your statement stands alone, and remains a mystery to me. to paraphrase: misrepresenting something about another person, intentionally, or unintentionally is a good way to find out what they are all about I can think of a number of ways to find out what makes a person tick without subjecting them to false accusations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond? I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess. Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being wronged, or hurt physically. Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that falls under the category of cruelty to animals I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Actually Barry, it's because you are fascinating in your own sort of way. Just as you can't stop posting about what you see as the cult mentality, I am sort of fascinated by the mechanics of how one can start off as a seeker, and end up a complete narcissist obsessed with an organization he last had contact with 40 years ago. Not complicated, really. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Jesus Christ, I finally got what I wanted, a comprehensive explanation. Thank you for that! I am going to stop right now, as I have to finish some work stuff, and let this percolate a little. I appreciate you taking the time to flesh this out a bit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No, enlightenment is basically a mind thing for, presumably, if your head could be kept alive artificially and the body removed, you could still get enlightened because it is a shift in the perception and understanding of the world. Torturing people physically to change their minds, or just because you do not like them, or have been programmed to not like them (same thing), does nothing in this direction. Because enlightenment presumably improves the quality of experience, it is a mental thing. And because enlightenment supposedly increases strength of mind, better understanding etc., due to reducing or eliminating mechanical, conditioned responses to what life throws at us, it is a different situation. A physical challenge can fell even a very strong physically fit person. The ability to deal with a mental challenge is a different animal, a physically weak person might have a superior intellect and repel a challenge with ease, while a strong, physically fit person might be mentally challenged in this regard. Once you have adopted a 'path of enlightenment', you are on the road of de-conditioning those mechanical responses, on the road to a new understanding of life and what it challenges you with. It is not an escape from this, though people often use the spiritual persona as an escape. To newbies, a spiritual master seems in some undefined way invulnerable, and this is attractive, incites the desire to be invulnerable, even though we do not at that time know what this really entails. Once immersed in this sort of world view, it is shall we say, unbecoming to be a complainer about what other people do. So if you want to expound the alleged virtues of enlightenment you have to in some way live those values and be able to explain their relationship to life. You cannot be affronted by how other people challenge you because you consider what you are doing is 'holy'. Being 'holy' is a defensive screen, a religious meme designed to ward off attacks on weak arguments about the nature of reality. Enlightenment is about nothing; there is no argument that can demonstrate it is real, you have to find out for yourself. Now if you experience it yourself and want to talk about it to others, you have to have a certain kind of psychological strength, a sort of non-reactive strength that can brush aside others' coarseness, or even subtle challenges without dismissing them. You cannot be some milquetoast pushover. It does not necessarily mean you will have a pleasant personality. There are stories of very gruff Zen masters for example. The first things that got me to experience 'spiritual' experiences like deep silence was not meditation but an all-out assault on my beliefs. One does not usually know how deeply unsubstantiated beliefs lie at the basis of one's world view, how deeply one is conditioned. The problem I find with the TM movement is it does not make this explicit, it relies on reconditioning you to a new set of ideas without at the same time informing you that these new ideas need to be undermined just as much as the ones you are currently stuck with. The stuff on a spiritual path is a means to an end, it is not the end in itself, it has to be let go at some point. If it is not let go, it becomes a religion, which even M said was the result of loss of knowledge. Ironic that the TM movement is steadily moving in the direction of a religion. I am not sure M ever intended it not to be, but he did say things in the earlier years that were more in line with some other traditions, like Zen, where there is a concerted effort to get a student beyond their verbal belief system. Because of these reasons, being challenged mentally on what you feel is 'reality' I would consider
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Single, yes. Live in a two bedroom house. Never been in the hills except to
visit. I aspire to one day be as good a writer as the Turquoise Bee. He is to
FFL as Socrates was to Athenian society.
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
This is not a joke MJ.
Barry is hope for many, the losers of the world. People who don't have a
successful career, people who haven't ever had a healthy relationship, people
who live on the charity of others; they need not be in despair, they need not
lose hope.
They can look at Barry, and make something out of their cocooned, helpless
lives. They can create fantastical tales, an online personas like a cult
slayer, a successful IT professional, a movie reviewer and such, and, become a
star of some Yahoo group just like Barry has.
You of all people MJ, unbelievable; a single, southern trailer trash hilly
billy, fixing computers for a living. Barry should be your hero, your idol, you
should look up to Barry, venerate, worship him. Oh wait, never mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
yep, its Dr. Dummy
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry,
Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am
*actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives,
ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-).
I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing,
fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The
flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker
reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young
baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and
Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-)
:-) :-)
All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional.
Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores
so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if
I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus
reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having
been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post
here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I
expected him to do. :-) :-) :-)
It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was
written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so
unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have
a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me
Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-)
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Wow. Marshy awards. To be given an award in the name of a fraud and huckster. What an honor. Are you getting any Marshy awards for your dedication to the group Program? and your years of service in the FF community? Or are you still waiting to see if they'll let you back in the Golden Dome of Pure Hypocrisy? Jai Guru Cult Mania. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they aregiving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens ofthe larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have acouple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awardstonite. I should think that you are deservingtoo of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced stateof 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speakand write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets writtenon FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarseand malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target hereamidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of aMaharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate yourparticipation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I dofeel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that hasovertaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing youeven to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given youmuch more protection from it. But a recognition of your longercontribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Goddammit Barry, haven't you already gotten Jim Flanegin aka Jose Enlightened Dawn kicked out of FFL? Now you are telling me that crook is still around and has hacked in to my account? This is confusing Barry, please help; I need some of that magnanimity of yours as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Thanks, Buck. Just doing what comes naturally and Jai Guru Dev to you too! Yep, this world is only going to change if we change it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
oh, that I had the time to do a search combining turquoiseb with the phrase, cult, or cult apologist. tens of thousands hits by now? maybe, I don't even want to know. it's rather sad to see this level of obsession. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I recall you saying, that your main activity with Maya was watching movies on Saturday mornings. That, of course, does not surprise me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. Good questions all. I would say that, primarily because she has just turned six, my influence on Maya is as variable as her mood. One minute I'm the person she loves the most in the world, and the next I have to tell her to log off and Save and pry herself away from her Minecraft games and go to school and I'm the worst person who has ever lived and she'll never love me again. :-) Yes, I am having fun. Thank you so much for noticing. My life here in the Netherlands -- and especially the parts that have Maya in them -- are pretty much a non-stop source of mirth. You are correct in that when she is really ON, we talk as two adults. Give it ten minutes, and she's a little girl trying to get her own way again and I'm the person standing in her way and sparks fly and I'm the distant and You'll never understand me adult. And she's six. Just imagine what I have to look forward to when she's sixteen. :-) At six, Maya is in her second year of school here in the Netherlands. Although she has occasional socialization issues (she likes to get her way, which her teachers sometimes interpret as bossiness), all of said teachers are in awe of her ability to speak, read, and write English, Dutch, and smatterings of both Spanish and French. Her major passion these days is a computer game called Minecraft, in which she constructs whole *cities* filled with castles she designed and built herself. At six, she can read, type, knit, cook, ride a bicycle, and wrap her Uncle Barry around her finger more easily than he'd like to admit. She rocks. If I have any lingering influence on her as an adult, my greatest hope is that it will be that she'll remember me the same way she describes me now -- Uncle Silly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
The phrase, by the way, was Solve the age old problems of mankind, in this generation Yes, it's advertising, and I don't really know of anyone who really figured it could really transpire, but it was a slogan to motivate the troops. And I was one who bought into it, and it did have a transforming effect on me. On the other hand, I was always a bit of an idealist. We evidently have different results from the practice. I made my statements of more balanced activity from my own experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. Good questions all. I would say that, primarily because she has just turned six, my influence on Maya is as variable as her mood. One minute I'm the person she loves the most in the world, and the next I have to tell her to log off and Save and pry herself away from her Minecraft games and go to school and I'm the worst person who has ever lived and she'll never love me again. :-) Yes, I am having fun. Thank you so much for noticing. My life here in the Netherlands -- and especially the parts that have Maya in them -- are pretty much a non-stop source of mirth. You are correct in that when she is really ON, we talk as two adults. Give it ten minutes, and she's a little girl trying to get her own way again and I'm the person standing in her way and sparks fly and I'm the distant and You'll never understand me adult. And she's six. Just imagine what I have to look forward to when she's sixteen. :-) At six, Maya is in her second year of school here in the Netherlands. Although she has occasional socialization issues (she likes to get her way, which her teachers sometimes interpret as bossiness), all of said teachers are in awe of her ability to speak, read, and write English, Dutch, and smatterings of both Spanish and French. Her major passion these days is a computer game called Minecraft, in which she constructs whole *cities* filled with castles she designed and built herself. At six, she can read, type, knit, cook, ride a bicycle, and wrap her Uncle Barry around her finger more easily than he'd like to admit. She rocks. If I have any lingering influence on her as an adult, my greatest hope is that it will be that she'll remember me the same way she describes me now -- Uncle Silly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond? I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess. Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being wronged, or hurt physically. Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that falls under the category of cruelty to animals I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often, curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Isn't this just like a paranoid cultist - say something they don't like or ask them a question they don't like and they ignore you and/or route your messages to their trash bin and then try to get the rest of the forum to shun you. Typical cultist behavior - the truth hurts I guess. Go figure. I've been sitting three feet in front of him and seen him go invisible, to the point where you could see stars through the outline of his body, and then no outline. I've seen him do the same trick from three feet up, leaving only a Cheshire Cat smile before it went pop! and disappeared, too. - TurquoiseB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
TM should solve all problems.
I am afraid to inform you that it does not.
which means that idiot Steve is admitting Marshy was a liar
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Just to follow up on this.
Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I
try to do once a day.
Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM
should solve all problems.
I am afraid to inform you that it does not.
I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The
objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is
the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact
I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear
experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was
looking for a compatible meditation method.
However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a
clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult
situations in a more balanced way.
I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not
for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one
to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is
some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are
all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is
putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for
those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations.
Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so.
Not necessary.
I'm here for ya.
As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there,
and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten.
You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to
about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%.
The trend does not look promising, IMO.
The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way,
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Actually, this is a fib - Judy never *claimed* to have won a religious debate with anyone, unless you consider Judy calling you a fibber is a win, when it is really just Judy stating a fact. You're the only cultist on this forum that cares much about DOJ. That's because you ARE the TMO cultist, Barry. You need to get some smarts, Barry - you're a prime example of why the TMO sucks. You need to face reality - you suck as a spiritual teacher. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I suspect a LOT of TB TMers here miss Judy. The reason, of course, is that she was one of the only TM supporters here willing to address actual issues when critics brought them up. When it came to cult apologetics, she was Queen, because she usually had the intellect and the language skills to actually make her obfuscations, diversions, and lies sound as if she was winning. That, and the fact that she always *claimed* to have won. :-) It's pretty obvious to me that the reason for the latest pile on Barry sessions is that I've been making some valid criticisms of TM, Maharishi, and cult apologists like David Orme-Johnson lately. And no one refutes them. The only TM supporter here who even *tries* any more is Lawson, and I respect him for at least trying to keep to the issues and not falling prey to the classic cult tactic of Shoot the messenger. The way I figure it, who these people are really pissed off at is *themselves*, because they really don't have either the language skills or the intelligence to defend TM, Maharishi, and the TMO. And some part of them still feels as if they should be defending these things, so they feel bad, and then they try to take that bad feeling they have about *themselves* out on me by dumping on me. The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Enjoy your coffee, xeno. yes, Barry does post other content, than the usual. on the other hand, I feel his positive contributions are overshadowed by that other, usual, content. I mean, Barry has stated on numerous occasions that what he likes to do, what he feels is his mission, is to push people's buttons, and lay open the cult mindset. he does that (or attempts to) on a daily basis, as indicated by the fact that he is generally the top ranked poster ranked by number of posts each week. all I do, (to a much lesser degree), is to say that I think he misrepresents others in this mission. now, it may be that you feel he hits his target accurately. okay, that is fine. I just happen to disagree, and I attempt to be accurate in things I post. you, or others may feel I am just a cult apologist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Barry is not the only person posting here. I think he provides consistent opposition to the true believer syndrome and its associated flaky thinking. There is a certain element of humour he provides, because true believers tend to have a distinct lack of humour when their beliefs are challenged. When criticising Barry, it is seldom mentioned that he does post about other things here as well. To pursue enlightenment, I think it helps if one has a certain appreciation of black humour toward dire situations and human behaviour in general. Now it is time for my morning coffee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry is not the only person posting here. I think he provides consistent opposition to the true believer syndrome and its associated flaky thinking. There is a certain element of humour he provides, because true believers tend to have a distinct lack of humour when their beliefs are challenged. When criticising Barry, it is seldom mentioned that he does post about other things here as well. To pursue enlightenment, I think it helps if one has a certain appreciation of black humour toward dire situations and human behaviour in general. Now it is time for my morning coffee. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Barry, please, please, answer me. (-: Are you delusional? TM's reputation is being harmed among the ten people who post here, a couple of lurkers, and your all important lurking reporter? Is he compiling evidence for some kind of treatise, yet to be publlished, because his output has been rather meager, like non existent? Here's the greater truth. FFL has become the travelogue or a rather, sad old man, who is obsessed with the spiritual organization he left forty years ago, and that of his sidekick. I'm afraid, that's the long and short of it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The thing is, it's kind of an obvious ploy, and 100% right out of the Cult Playbook, so their Get Barry routine actually does more harm to TM's reputation than staying silent does. But they're really not smart enough never figure that out, even when I tell them like I'm doing here, so I guess we can all expect more of the same... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Michael, I'm wishing you the best. I hope that other pursuits may fill your day other than your obsession with TM. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. which means that idiot Steve is admitting Marshy was a liar From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. I do not struggle with this assumption at all, I never had this assumption. The objection is to the way it is advertised 'The Solution to All Problems'. It is the deceptive marketing and the unnecessary fluff it is embedded with. In fact I ignored most of the sales patter. I had already had some moderately clear experiences that gave me a clue as to what enlightenment was about, and I was looking for a compatible meditation method. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. I learned this long ago, and yet TM (and mostly equivalent techniques) are not for this either. Life does not change, these techniques are simply to get one to see that, to change one's perspective of a world that is absolute. There is some fallout, such as psychosomatic disturbances becoming less, but these are all side-effects. Promoting the side-effects as a reason for meditating is putting the cart before the horse, and it sets up unreasonable expectations for those whose nature is to fall into the trap of unreasonable expectations. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. Not necessary. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way, you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can learn something from it. This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn into a teaching moment On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be duplicitous here, but, would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other tortureous experiments in the name of research. The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were. So, is it along those lines? No, enlightenment is basically a mind thing for, presumably, if your head could be kept alive artificially and the body removed, you could still get enlightened because it is a shift in the perception and understanding of the world. Torturing people physically to change their minds, or just because you do not like them, or have been programmed to not like them (same thing), does nothing in this direction. Because enlightenment presumably improves the quality of experience, it is a mental thing. And because enlightenment supposedly increases strength of mind, better understanding etc., due to reducing or eliminating mechanical, conditioned responses to what life throws at us, it is a different situation. A physical challenge can fell even a very strong physically fit person. The ability to deal with a mental challenge is a different animal, a physically weak person might have a superior intellect and repel a challenge with ease, while a strong, physically fit person might be mentally challenged in this regard. Once you have adopted a 'path of enlightenment', you are on the road of de-conditioning those mechanical responses, on the road to a new understanding of life and what it challenges you with. It is not an escape from this, though people often use the spiritual persona as an escape. To newbies, a spiritual master seems in some undefined way invulnerable, and this is attractive, incites the desire to be invulnerable, even though we do not at that time know what this really entails. Once immersed in this sort of world view, it is shall we say, unbecoming to be a complainer about what other people do. So if you want to expound the alleged virtues of enlightenment you have to in some way live those values and be able to explain their relationship to life. You cannot be affronted by how other people challenge you because you consider what you are doing is 'holy'. Being 'holy' is a defensive screen, a religious meme designed to ward off attacks on weak arguments about the nature of reality. Enlightenment is about nothing; there is no argument that can demonstrate it is real, you have to find out for yourself. Now if you experience it yourself and want to talk about it to others, you have to have a certain kind of psychological strength, a sort of non-reactive strength that can brush aside others' coarseness, or even subtle challenges without dismissing them. You cannot be some milquetoast pushover. It does not necessarily mean you will have a pleasant personality. There are stories of very gruff Zen masters for example. The first things that got me to experience 'spiritual' experiences like deep silence was not meditation but an all-out assault on my beliefs. One does not usually know how deeply unsubstantiated beliefs lie at the basis of one's world view, how deeply one is conditioned. The problem I find with the TM movement is it does not make this explicit, it relies on reconditioning you to a new set of ideas without at the same time informing you that these new ideas need to be undermined just as much as the ones you are currently stuck with. The stuff on a spiritual path is a means to an end, it is not the end in itself, it has to be let go at some point. If it is not let go, it becomes a religion, which even M said was the result of loss of knowledge. Ironic that the TM movement is steadily moving in the direction of a religion. I am not sure M ever intended it not to be, but he did say things in the earlier years that were more in line with some other traditions, like Zen, where there is a concerted effort to get a student beyond their verbal belief system. Because of these reasons, being challenged mentally on what you feel is 'reality' I would consider an essential element in freeing oneself from the tyranny of mental conditioning. Some conditioning is going to remain, but being 'sensitive' to taunts about your world view only shows that on the path of enlightenment, you are a failure. Some teachers have expressed this quality in interesting ways. The Catholic priest Anthony de Mello said 'enlightenment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Those posts do 'feel' like Jim. Someone who is talking to Barry in a familiar voice, not like someone who has not been here before. So if ak_ak is not Jim, what other poster that has been here could it be? Not too many posters talk incessantly about how badly Barry's life is going. Yeah, as if Barry sounds like he is in the doldrums of hell all the time. I think he is having fun. I think what I would be most curious about is, since she is in the orbit of Barry, how Maya's view of the world is developing, what her understanding of things are at that age. I would think Barry's influence would be a source of rationality, in a nation that seems to value this quality. I had a friend of the family once, an accountant, who had a son; when this kid was very young, he spoke like an adult, because his parents did not incessantly bombard him with baby talk, but with real conversation with substantial words. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've gotta agree with you, Michael. It really feels like Jim, for several reasons. First, of course, is the level of obsession he has with me. The only person who has *ever* been more obsessed with me than Jim Flanegin was Judy. But second, and the clincher, is the fact that these posts are just dripping with JEALOUSY. Jimbo really was never able to figure out why people liked me and Curtis while they didn't like him. The answer was right in front of his face, but his ego kept him from seeing it. Curtis and I are just ourselves, and he has to continually play one-upsmanship games to try to prove his betterness. Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. Feeling magnanimous this week, I'll give him one more day of reading his stuff before I route his posts directly into the trash bin along with Steve-o and Richard. Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer. I'd get 'em in the bin now in case any of it rubs off you... Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Anyway, I suspect he'll try to keep this up for a while, because it's getting him what he really wants, which is attention. salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Whoever they are they are certainly bitter and twisted and clearly dysfunctional enough to be a long term TMer... So, you once lived at a TM Center for what, 12 years - until they kicked you out, and so now you're bitter and twisted and dysfunctional as a long term TMer. Can you spell cognitive dissonance? Already done. The way I figure it, these guys' (Steve, Richard, and now Ak_Ak) fantasies must revolve around ruining my day by revealing deep, dark truths about me that I don't want revealed, the way Judy's used to. At least, that's the way it seems to play out in their minds. In the real world, back when I actually bothered to read their crap, the most their posts ever provoked in me was laughter (at them, not because they're comic geniuses or anything) and occasional feelings of pity. But that got old real fast and was an obvious waste of time, so I figured why bother. So they're all -- including Jim/Ak_Ak -- auto-consigned to the dumpster now. But this brings up a question. Steve's and Richard's posts have gone straight to the crapper (like attracts like) for over a year now, but they still post about me compulsively, several times a week, and in Richard's case every day (I can tell this from a 10-second scan of Neo, without having to actually read any post they write.) Now Ak_Ak will be joining them in that great cosmic porta-potty in the sky, and no doubt he will keep compulsively posting about me, too. The question is, WHY? Who do they think their audience is, except each other? I think we're agreed that they're cultists who are acting out the cult mentality here, but I really DO wonder who they perceive the *audience* for their cult apologetics and character assassination to be. There is a psychological study in this. If anyone could stand to be around these guys long enough to study them, that is. :-) I don't get it either. Maybe they see it as a victory over someone even though it doesn't get a response. Maybe they imagine a vast army of lurkers out there who they think must feel like they do and they then bask in the non-existent applause at every hit. Feeling good about themselves, that's what it's all about. A little brush-up for the ego. Odd way to carry on though, wasting all that time. The interweb is full of people like that, trolling along while their life ticks away, maybe they've got no imagination for anything else - they certainly don't display any in their posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
So, you've posted Jim's real name and reported him to the cops. Thanks for dispelling any doubt that you're an informant. That's enough to cause anyone to leave the group. Some people will stoop to almost any level in order to win a religious debate, down to and including outing someone and calling the cops on them. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Two points, Dougie-Wougie: 1. Jimbo didn't leave FFL on moral grounds. He ran away when I sicced the cops on him for the crimes of slander and Internet stalking. Non sequitur. 2. I've always thought that Jim's experiences smelled more like number two than number one, but you're entitled to your opinion. Non sequitur. :-) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Well, honestly, I find this rather fascinating, and really, hoping I can
learn something from it.
This notion that if people are challenged in an unreasonable way it can turn
into a teaching moment
On the other hand, maybe you have a point, and really I am not trying to be
duplicitous here, but,
would it be analogous to say, what the nazis did to prisoners, in terms of
experiments like subjecting people to extreme heat, or extreme cold, or other
tortureous experiments in the name of research.
The results of those experiments were useful to science. Honestly, they were.
So, is it along those lines?
No
Or I guess, you mean something milder like just misrepresenting someone, (short
of legal slander, I presume) just see how they respond?
I would think you'd have a better idea of a person's inner quality by engaging
in a more civil conversation which often will have its own edginess.
Most beings - animals, humans, creatures typically don't respond well to being
wronged, or hurt physically.
Even animals can be subjected to a sort of misrepresentation. Typically that
falls under the category of cruelty to animals
I guess I just find this statement of yours, which you've repeated often,
curious.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
The Peak has had a few good conversations, but it is pretty sappy most of the
time. When people are challenged, often in an unreasonable way, an unfair way,
you get to see their real psychology come forth, and get a better sense of
their level of knowledge and how they express it. When everything is nicey
nicey, that knowledge stays hidden, so you cannot tell if it is there or not.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each
day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered
members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these
posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times,
suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he
needs.
So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of
criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters
there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him
to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that
what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors.
So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the
facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the
only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before
he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't
even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that
even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion
on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his
throw-some-nastiness-around fix.
Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and
spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or
female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment
of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on
the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every
time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a
random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines
about Barry's day.
Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of
his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying,
Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet?
Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel
better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-)
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with
Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim,
Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and
cults
06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school
and walk the dogs to earn free rent
07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy
trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick
10:00 - 12:00Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something
interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ
12:00 - 02:00Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food.
02:00 - 4:00 pmPick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent
04:00 pm - 10:00 pmWrite on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy,
calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns
around Amsterdam.
10:00 - 12:00 pmRead random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress
the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ
12:00 pmBarry exhausted, drifting to sleep.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, it's okay, IMO opinion to have given up on the spiritual game. Very understandable in fact. But to replace it with the degree of pettiness to which you've descended? Re-evaluate man. Re-evaluate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sure, Jimbo. Having no desire to interact with me ever again is why you're addressing me directly in this post, right? And being fully content to hang with the high-vibe crowd over on The_Leak is why you still read FFL so compulsively that you are responding to my post so soon after I made it, right? Might I point out to those trying to make up their own minds that Jimbo has still never admitted to being enlightened_dawn11, although everyone knows he was. And yet he thinks we'll believe him this time? Still the same old six-pack, several cans short... :-) From: reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, I think you have more than the touch of narcissism, that you've admitted to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 pm Barry exhausted, drifting to sleep. Another day ends.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away! This place is like an outside toilet for the Peaksters: need to take a dump on someone's head but don't want to fall foul of the moderator? Easy, nip over to FFL and let it all out. Even the moderator can indulge his need. Must be real satisfying in utopia... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 pm Barry exhausted, drifting to sleep. Another day ends.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 pm Barry exhausted, drifting to sleep. Another day ends.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Sure, Jimbo. Having no desire to interact with me ever again is why you're
addressing me directly in this post, right?
And being fully content to hang with the high-vibe crowd over on The_Leak is
why you still read FFL so compulsively that you are responding to my post so
soon after I made it, right?
Might I point out to those trying to make up their own minds that Jimbo has
still never admitted to being enlightened_dawn11, although everyone knows he
was. And yet he thinks we'll believe him this time? Still the same old
six-pack, several cans short... :-)
From: reverse_arch...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as
usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to
interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it.
Have a nice day.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each
day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered
members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these
posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times,
suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he
needs.
So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of
criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters
there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him
to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that
what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors.
So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the
facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the
only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before
he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't
even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that
even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion
on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his
throw-some-nastiness-around fix.
Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and
spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or
female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment
of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on
the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every
time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a
random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines
about Barry's day.
Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of
his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying,
Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet?
Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel
better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-)
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
12:00 pm - 05:00 amA restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with
Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim,
Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and
cults
06:00 - 7:00 amBarry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school
and walk the dogs to earn free rent
07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy
trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick
10:00 - 12:00Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something
interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ
12:00 - 02:00Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food.
02:00 - 4:00 pmPick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent
04:00 pm - 10:00 pmWrite on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy,
calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns
around Amsterdam.
10:00 - 12:00 pmRead random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress
the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ
12:00 pmBarry exhausted, drifting to sleep.
Another day ends.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world [1 Attachment]
The attached image (message-history.gif) shows as of today, the relative posting to Fairfield Life and The Peak. The drop in postings to Fairfield Life as a result of the migration to The Peak is plain enough. In my opinion the reduction in diversity has resulted in fewer posts all around, and often much less interesting posts. Fairfield life can still provide some interest as some TBs are still posting here. I think ak ak was the language that Tim Burton created for the Martians in his movie Mars Attacks! https://top50sf.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/marsattackslist.jpg https://top50sf.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/marsattackslist.jpg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 pm Barry exhausted, drifting to sleep. Another day ends.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rather typical, I think, of the way Sal operates. Thinks he knows more than he does, and not ashamed of pushing it out there. Fuck off back to happy land Steve, there's a good chap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Rather typical, I think, of the way Sal operates. Thinks he knows more than he does, and not ashamed of pushing it out there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) Let's be honest, who wouldn't want to read our stuff every day. It's just a shame some of those who left because they didn't like the smell stick around and make the biggest stench they can. Damn childish I call it. From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
A, that's the good ol' FFL we used to know!
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Rather typical, I think, of the way Sal operates.
Thinks he knows more than he does, and not ashamed of pushing it out there.
Fuck off back to happy land Steve, there's a good chap.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Just look what you wrote, Sal. The problem with making authoritative statements when you are just speculating, is that oftentimes they are wrong. Please don't pin it on me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Rather typical, I think, of the way Sal operates. Thinks he knows more than he does, and not ashamed of pushing it out there. Fuck off back to happy land Steve, there's a good chap. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
So, it's all about Jim Flanegin. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
There is a trail in the header which may disclose the IP address where the email came even if it is no_reply but it is often very general. Even my IP address is for a location some 35 miles from here because that's where my ISP maintains their leases. Gets worse in Europe where the ISP may maintain the leases in another country. I also seem to notice that U-Verse is using static IPs as my IP hasn't changed in over two years even shutting and restarting gateway which with regular DSL would often change the IP. On 03/18/2015 06:40 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There is a trail in the header which may disclose the IP address where the email came even if it is no_reply but it is often very general. Even my IP address is for a location some 35 miles from here because that's where my ISP maintains their leases. Gets worse in Europe where the ISP may maintain the leases in another country. The one I found in my source data is quite close to where I live, damned if I can find it today though, must be there somewhere. Maybe they changed the routing from Yahoo? There's a lot from a private source which is a new thing. Maybe the NSA are diverting our posts because of our political ideas or because we are close to the truth about crop circles. Good luck to them... I also seem to notice that U-Verse is using static IPs as my IP hasn't changed in over two years even shutting and restarting gateway which with regular DSL would often change the IP. I use a proxy server sometimes, I wonder how that comes out.. On 03/18/2015 06:40 AM, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. Maybe our new friend will identify themselves before the suspense drives me to having another cup of tea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. It's a koan, Xeno. We who are lesser-evolved than Jim (as he has told us SO many times) are supposed to ponder it until we become as enlightened as he is. :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Your X-Originating-IP for this message is actually different. And an earlier message showed a New England based IP. My originating IP when I'm using email is the one for the sbcglobal server. If I post from a browser it will be different and it may be different if I post from my smartphone. X-Yahoo-Profile: is the member account and what I used for the Python post count as it only lists by FFL membership and eliminated the different handles such that Willy would post under by grouping it all under the profile. That was easy to do on Python but not as easy with PHP though I figured it out but Alex didn't want to deal with a new PHP version. On 03/18/2015 11:00 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The X-Originating-IP only tells us where the message first arrived, it seems. As for koans, here is one: 'A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with her. Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own particular shrine. The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.' ak_ak X-Originating-IP: [98.136.219.129] Authentication-Results: mta1571.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng10-vm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.129) *SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA* reverse_archery X-Originating-IP: [98.136.219.109] Authentication-Results: mta1142.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) *SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA* fleetwood_macandcheese X-Originating-IP: 98.238.201.121 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.238.201.121 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [the_peak] the_p...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Profile: fleetwood_macncheese *SERVER LOCATION: PARADISE, CALIFORNIA* fleetwood_macandcheese X-Originating-IP: [98.139.165.7] Authentication-Results: mta1486.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.7) by mta1486.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:38:10 + *SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA* anartaxius X-Originating-IP: [66.196.80.63] Authentication-Results: mta1458.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng25-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.63) *SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA* TurquoiseBee X-Originating-IP: [67.195.87.40] Authentication-Results: mta1560.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng25-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.87.40) by mta1560.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:43:45 + *SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA* *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:43 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world *From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. */It's a koan, Xeno. We who are lesser-evolved than Jim (as he has told us SO many times) are supposed to ponder it until we become as enlightened as he is. :-) :-) :-) /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
98.136.x.x are the Yahoo IPs so you can ignore those. The X-Originating-IP field would contain the IP address if it's there and probably only when sent via email. On 03/18/2015 09:21 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
The X-Originating-IP only tells us where the message first arrived, it seems.
As for koans, here is one:
'A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered
it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with
her.Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a
small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own
particular shrine.The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not
liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel
through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the
nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.'
ak_akX-Originating-IP: [98.136.219.129]Authentication-Results:
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ng10-vm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.129)SERVER LOCATION:
SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA
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CALIFORNIA
fleetwood_macandcheeseX-Originating-IP: 98.238.201.121X-Yahoo-Post-IP:
98.238.201.121From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [the_peak]
the_p...@yahoogroups.comX-Yahoo-Profile: fleetwood_macncheeseSERVER LOCATION:
PARADISE, CALIFORNIA
fleetwood_macandcheeseX-Originating-IP: [98.139.165.7]Authentication-Results:
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CALIFORNIA
anartaxiusX-Originating-IP: [66.196.80.63]Authentication-Results:
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LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything
Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is
kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the
reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in
order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did
interact.
It's a koan, Xeno. We who are lesser-evolved than Jim (as he has told us SO
many times) are supposed to ponder it until we become as enlightened as he is.
:-) :-) :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
yep, its Dr. Dummy
From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry,
Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am
*actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives,
ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-).
I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing,
fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The
flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker
reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young
baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and
Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-)
:-) :-)
All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional.
Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores
so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if
I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus
reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having
been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post
here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I
expected him to do. :-) :-) :-)
It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was
written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so
unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have
a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me
Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-)
From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email
address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the
header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything
about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your
own FFL identity as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Just to follow up on this. Yes, xeno, you can still have difficult days, even if you practice TM, which I try to do once a day. Perhaps you struggle under the assumption, as some others here do, that TM should solve all problems. I am afraid to inform you that it does not. However, you may be heartened to learn, that the practice may give you a clearer, and more settled state of mind, such that you can deal with difficult situations in a more balanced way. Please let me know if you'd like me to elaborate, and I will be glad to do so. I'm here for ya. As for Jim's role at the peak, I believe you are a regular contributor there, and I don't recall that you have run afoul of any rules, written or unwritten. You may praise FFL, but I would say the worthwhile content has gone down to about 5% from maybe a peak of 20%. The trend does not look promising, IMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Dear ReVerseArrow; tonite they are giving Maharishi Awards in celebration to distinguished citizens of the larger community at the Spring Celebration on campus. I have a couple of friends in the community who are receiving Maharishi Awards tonite. I should think that you are deserving too of such recognition given both the breadth of your advanced state of 'number one' spiritual experience and your easy ability to speak and write to it by contrast of so much speculation that gets written on FFL. Yet, not only your resilience here in the coarse and malignant crossfire of FFL but yours as a straight arrow on target here amidsts the residual of FFL deserves recognition at the level of a Maharishi Award. Thank you. I appreciate your participation when it comes here. It seems always clarifying. I do feel the disrespect of a pernicious unkindness by the few that has overtaken FFL as that you endured here on Rick's list forcing you even to leave FFL on moral ground was reprehensible and Rick should have given you much more protection from it. But a recognition of your longer contribution to what was FFL should not go without acknowledgment. Thank you for your service. JaiGuruYou, -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, reverse_archery@... wrote : Hi Barry, Jim Flanegin here. I appreciate your ability to fantasize (as usual), though this post wasn't from me. I have said before I have no desire to interact with you, *ever again*, and I meant it. Have a nice day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sounds to me as if Jim Flanegin, concerned that the number of posts made each day in the last week on The_Leak is less than half of the number of registered members, and that the only reason the number of people actually making these posts is greater than 8 this week is that Rick posted a couple of times, suddenly realizes that he is not getting nearly the amount of attention he needs. So he reads FFL and realizes that once again Barry is making valid points of criticism about Maharishi and the TM movement that none of the TM supporters there can refute. Of course a couple of die-hard cultists have piled on to him to try to demonize him so that lurkers don't pay attention to the fact that what he's saying is fact, but that doesn't seem to be working. Horrors. So Jimbo realizes he has to come to the rescue. Because *he* can't refute the facts that Barry's been posting either (because...duh...they're facts), the only thing he can do is make up slander about Barry, the way he used to before he ran away from FFL with his tail between his legs. But, he realizes, he can't even do *that* any more because everyone will know it's him, and will know that even *he* is so bored with the trivial mind-pablum that passes for discussion on The_Leak that he has to come back to FFL to get his throw-some-nastiness-around fix. Jimbo realizes that to pull this off he's going to have to create a new ID, and spends 15 whole minutes trying to decide whether to make this one male or female. Finally, deciding that he *still* hasn't gotten over the embarrassment of pretending to be a woman called enlightened_dawn11 for months, he decides on the name ak_ak, because that's the sound his throat makes involuntarily every time he realizes that someone's getting more attention than he is. He adds a random number to the end of ak_ak and lets fly, making up stuff he imagines about Barry's day. Then, spent, he goes back to *his* day, which consists of sitting in front of his computer, staring at the screen, clicking Return every 30 seconds, saying, Why hasn't anyone said anything about me yet? Meanwhile, Barry dashes off this post in a couple of minutes to make him feel better, because someone finally has. :-) :-) :-) From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
can you say, bulls-eye, on both counts? I think you can! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is not a joke MJ. Barry is hope for many, the losers of the world. People who don't have a successful career, people who haven't ever had a healthy relationship, people who live on the charity of others; they need not be in despair, they need not lose hope. They can look at Barry, and make something out of their cocooned, helpless lives. They can create fantastical tales, an online personas like a cult slayer, a successful IT professional, a movie reviewer and such, and, become a star of some Yahoo group just like Barry has. You of all people MJ, unbelievable; a single, southern trailer trash hilly billy, fixing computers for a living. Barry should be your hero, your idol, you should look up to Barry, venerate, worship him. Oh wait, never mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
This is not a joke MJ. Barry is hope for many, the losers of the world. People who don't have a successful career, people who haven't ever had a healthy relationship, people who live on the charity of others; they need not be in despair, they need not lose hope. They can look at Barry, and make something out of their cocooned, helpless lives. They can create fantastical tales, an online personas like a cult slayer, a successful IT professional, a movie reviewer and such, and, become a star of some Yahoo group just like Barry has. You of all people MJ, unbelievable; a single, southern trailer trash hilly billy, fixing computers for a living. Barry should be your hero, your idol, you should look up to Barry, venerate, worship him. Oh wait, never mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : yep, its Dr. Dummy From: ak_ak_0828 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world Barry, Don't embarrass me please, I wish to remain anonymous. Unlike you I am *actually* busy and have a life, I have to work, take care of kids, wives, ex-wives and girl friends. And of course entertain them :-) :-) :-). I don't have amazing talents like you where you conjure up these amazing, fantastical tales that has your audience here at FFL in raptures. The flamboyant, charismatic Barry Wright, cult slayer, darling of the lurker reporters looking for scoops on cults and TM. The stud, fondling hot, young baristas in coffe-shops; and in dance clubs and whorehouse around Amsterdam and Paris. The wise old spiritual master - Uncle Tantra. Man of many hats, you :-) :-) :-) All this as you actually are a decrepit old man, narcissistic, dysfunctional. Spending your entire day in your apartment, taking care of Maya, dogs, chores so you can have free rent and food ! Brilliant talent Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
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I just sent a post by e-mail and it too had the Sunnyvale, California address [216.39.63.153]. I guess you would have to use a local ISP e-mail address to get a location closer to where one lived. I tried some other accounts where I used a POP client on my computer to send an e-mail to myself on another account rather than by webmail, not posting to FFL at all, and it still showed the Sunnyvale server because the email addresses were an arrangement between Yahoo and ATT. So far the only non Sunnyvale address was one e-mail Jim Flanegan sent to The Peak, which had a Paradise, California server. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : 98.136.x.x are the Yahoo IPs so you can ignore those. The X-Originating-IP field would contain the IP address if it's there and probably only when sent via email. On 03/18/2015 09:21 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry, Really, is there anyone smarter than you? I know you imply it often enough, but it is heartening when you actually come out and admit it. Are we even worthy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : For the record, I don't know who ak_ak_0828 is, either. I just figured that if I suggested it was Jim Flanegin, his ego would force him to reply, and thus reveal to everyone how compulsively he still reads Fairfield Life after having been so vocal about how he's so above this forum and the people who post here. And lo and behold, in just a couple of hours he did exactly what I expected him to do. :-) :-) :-) It *wasn't* all that scathing a post, after all. To be honest, if it was written by anyone we already know, it most likely was Ann, because 1) it's so unintelligent, and 2) it's so completely off the mark. I just thought I'd have a little fun with it and use it to point how obsessed with both FFL *and* me Jim Flanegin still is. Mission accomplished. :-) :-) :-) From: j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I live just over the border from New England. Sometimes I use a laptop on a public WiFi if I am in New England, usually Connecticut or Massachusetts. The nearest big shopping mall is in Danbury, Connecticut, and sales taxes are lower there than in New York State. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Your X-Originating-IP for this message is actually different. And an earlier message showed a New England based IP. My originating IP when I'm using email is the one for the sbcglobal server. If I post from a browser it will be different and it may be different if I post from my smartphone. X-Yahoo-Profile: is the member account and what I used for the Python post count as it only lists by FFL membership and eliminated the different handles such that Willy would post under by grouping it all under the profile. That was easy to do on Python but not as easy with PHP though I figured it out but Alex didn't want to deal with a new PHP version. On 03/18/2015 11:00 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The X-Originating-IP only tells us where the message first arrived, it seems. As for koans, here is one: 'A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with her. Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own particular shrine. The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.' ak_ak X-Originating-IP: [98.136.219.129] Authentication-Results: mta1571.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng10-vm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.129) SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA reverse_archery X-Originating-IP: [98.136.219.109] Authentication-Results: mta1142.mail.ne1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng9-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.109) SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA fleetwood_macandcheese X-Originating-IP: 98.238.201.121 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.238.201.121 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [the_peak] mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...[the_peak] the_p...@yahoogroups.com mailto:the_p...@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Profile: fleetwood_macncheese SERVER LOCATION: PARADISE, CALIFORNIA fleetwood_macandcheese X-Originating-IP: [98.139.165.7] Authentication-Results: mta1486.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng3-ip1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.7) by mta1486.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:38:10 + SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA anartaxius X-Originating-IP: [66.196.80.63] Authentication-Results: mta1458.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng25-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (66.196.80.63) SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA TurquoiseBee X-Originating-IP: [67.195.87.40] Authentication-Results: mta1560.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=yahoogroups.com; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO ng25-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.87.40) by mta1560.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:43:45 + SERVER LOCATION: SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. It's a koan, Xeno. We who are lesser-evolved than Jim (as he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I don't think the Peak is analogous to TM unless you like to do program while riding around on various spaceships. There seems to be a lot of that sort of thing over that way. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
I notice trends and am noticing the webiverse is becoming more snarky not just FFL. It's just a sign that things aren't going so well on this little blue planet near the sun. The problem is of course the status quo doesn't want to give up control. If they did maybe life would be better again. What to do? On 03/18/2015 12:35 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. I miss Judy too. We need a Moriarty for our Holmes. Or is it the other way round?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. With your permission, I'd like to call this Xeno's Paradox, this notion that it doesn't matter if one misrepresents something about another person simply for the purposes of pushing their buttons. I haven't quite figured that one out. In fact, I can see a lot trouble arising from that one, without scratching too deep. (-: , to see The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote : What IP addresses? People who show up with the no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address are anonymous, with email and IP addresses both undisclosed. From the header info, there is no way for me, Rick, or anyone else to determine anything about ak_ak's true identity. Keep in mind, Sal, that this also applies to your own FFL identity as well. Hmmm, I've done it before successfully. Even found my own local server. Maybe I'm wrong about this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : LOL, those IP addresses sure give the game away! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I couldn't match the IP addresses in the ak_ak post header with anything Jim has sent, but I am about to have lunch, so I didn't try very hard. It is kind of interesting that Jim, directly addressing Barry using the reverse_archery handle says he meant never to interact with Barry again, but in order to send the message directly addressed to Barry in the post, he did interact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Thanks for sharing your perspective. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : You have had a difficult day? Gosh, what is meditation coming to? I am not holding Jim to any standard. I am just pointing out he said one thing, but did another. If I had the power to hold him to some standard, he would not be able to break his word. The fun is people are erratic. It means you can play with their foibles (or ignore them). The secret to keeping your word is to never give it. We are too spongy and soft to act like inerrantly like vengeful gods who can never be crossed, or else. There are those of us who try. Barry is actually pretty consistent this way. Ah, to create a hell that would truly terrify people into compliance with some stupid, stupid rule. Tax collectors and legislators and rulers of countries have a tendency to fall in this direction, as do religions. I did not intend to convict Jim, a simple lynching without justice would have sufficed. But that is just on FFL; on The Peak, he has installed himself as Chief Magistrate, top of the food chain, and there, I wonder whether some misstep of mine will coerce him to send me to the outer void someday. But on FFL, he is just another piece of prey in the jungle, like the rest of us. FFL is like the world, and The Peak is like TM. You can go to The Peak to rest (an old folks home for the spiritually timid), and when you want to evolve, you need a bit of resistance, so you can come over here to FFL, for exercise, to put it into action. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world First, thank you xeno for giving a me a smile and a chuckle in what has been an otherwise difficult day. Second, I certainly can't argue with you. On the other hand, (and maybe I'm not able to give you comments sufficient thought), the world operates better when we give one another a little space. In the current example, yes, Jim did interact with Barry. In a court of law, sometimes the lawyer will demand a simple yes, or no. But, without an explanation, you can't really get to the nuances of a case, which may make quite a difference. I find it rather comical that you would seem to hold Jim to this strict standard, or definition of interaction when, really, that's not how the real world works, except in legal contracts. And even then, there can be different interpretations. So, I find it perfectly acceptable that Jim would see fit to correct a misconception. Whether his buttons were pushed, I have no idea. I really wouldn't think so. It seemed that all he wanted to say was, it wasn't me, Barry, and have a good day If you want to convict him on this basis, have at it. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : As I pointed out in another post awhile back, being accused of something one did not do has a tendency to push peoples buttons. It does not matter if the misconception was deliberate or not. The main thing is if you say one thing and do another, it's hypocritical. A rule has an exception if, 1) it's not a rule. Humans are too weak to create authentic rules. What we conceive as being laws of nature (not the TMO kind) might be ironclad enough to be called a rule, like how gravity operates. What is the rule that you follow in writing posts with short sentences spaced apart. What are you typing on? There are such things as paragraphs. When you are in a nice mood, you follow the spirit of the law, and when not, you just hang the bastard, innocent or guilty. How can you correct a misconception one has without interacting with them? INTERACT = act in such a way as to have an effect on another. You cannot have that effect if you do not make contact, you are trying to redefine a word just like Judy did. I really miss Judy. She made this place a hell worthy of interaction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : xeno, fyi, to the rest of the world, what Jim did was just correct a misconception. for you and Barry, and perhaps a few others to interpret this as interacting with Barry makes for a rather weak case. maybe you are trying to run the routine you did with Judy, on which she bit so hard. that was rather comical. but, then again, perhaps you don't understand that exceptions are made for any rule, self imposed, or not. so, just to repeat, correcting an misconception, is not the same as interacting with someone. get a consensus, if you have a question about this. or take a step back and realize there is the letter of intent, and the spirit of intent. this distinction is a cornerstone of our legal system, btw. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius
[FairfieldLife] Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world
Barry Wright's nar-ci-fan-ta-stun-ted world 12:00 pm - 05:00 am A restless dreamy sleepy stupor, imaginary battles with Richard Steve on FFL (now that the likes of Judy, Robin, Emily, Ann, Jim, Ravi aren't around). Lurker reporter interviews with a gloating Barry on TM and cults 06:00 - 7:00 am Barry rudely awakened from bed, need to drop Maya off at school and walk the dogs to earn free rent 07:00 - 09:00 am Morning routine and then read FFL and write about fantasy trips to the coffee shop and some hot waitress chick 10:00 - 12:00 Watch movies with generous forwarding so he has something interesting to write about on FFL to impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 - 02:00 Lunch nap, chores, cleaning for free rent and food. 02:00 - 4:00 pm Pick up Maya, walk dogs, clean house to earn free rent 04:00 pm - 10:00 pm Write on FFL ranting against TM, Scientology, Robin, Judy, calling Richard, Steve and others narcissists and his interesting sojourns around Amsterdam. 10:00 - 12:00 pm Read random articles on Internet and Facebook so he can impress the likes of noozguru, salyavin, MJ 12:00 pm Barry exhausted, drifting to sleep. Another day ends.
