[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. That efficacy aspect is a level of the question. It is a good question though that can get at things here. More often the answer to efficacy of the ME question is that some lot of people see the behavior of the movement as so bad that the feeling in the domes from that bad character aspect of the movement itself is counter-productive to the experience. It is common when you ask around and listen. Yes, lot of people do not go. It is also remarkable too how many people have current dome badges but do not go. Thanks for providing the man on the street feedback, Doug. It resonates with the feed- back I get from the few former TMers I am in contact with. The bottom line seems to be that there is a world of difference between the P.R. and the reality of TM and its benefits and the reality. It often does boil down to the moral dissonance problem as you canvas. They do not reject the ME necessarily. Folks know the experience of a good group meditation. That experience and hope is often what had brought people here originally. Increasingly though over the years people are identifying the experience of a bad-group meditation with doing program in the domes. So they would simply rather stay home. That was certainly my motivation 30+ years ago when I stopped going to program in L.A. I had the choice of driving from Marina del Rey to West L.A. and sitting on dirty sheets among a bunch of grunting, groaning people or staying at home and enjoying a nice quiet meditation. But then at the Center meetings I'd see these same grunting, groaning people talking about who they could declare persona non grata this month, and keep from attending any future courses because they'd been discovered to have the same Off The Program books on their bookshelves that the people declaring them persona non grata had stashed away in their closets. After a few months of this, I bailed, and haven't regretting it for a moment since. And that was in L.A., ferchrissakes, where you never had to run *into* these hypocrites on a day-to-day basis, unlike Fairfield. I would imagine that after a while people who had been fucked over a dozen times already by those who worked for MUM and the TMO and were in charge *of* the systematic fucking over just wouldn't want to disrupt their day to go sit beside these people and listen to them grunt and groan. :-) Then again it can also just be that some people just do not like to meditate in group regardless. The common denominator here though is that folks mostly do like their meditation. mostly folks are loyal to that. But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. It has gone on to something else for most people. It certainly did for me. I went to the course, flew the first day, and was bored with it by the second day. Big whoop -- bouncing around on your butt. I was after enlightenment, and got a few cheap thrills and kundalini rushes instead. I dropped doing the siddhis a few months after learning them, and haven't missed them since. I still meditate, but not TM-style. I have learned other techniques in the years since that I prefer. Of course, a lot of people have left over the years but of what remains, this aspect is pretty clear. I just ask and listen. Whereas the TMO just preaches and doesn't listen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. An excellent question. For that matter, do any of the Rajas who have residences in Fairfield regularly do their program in the dome? If not, I think there is *only* one word that can be used to describe them -- hypocrites. ( I considered the word scumbags, but that doesn't adequately convey the sense of saying one thing about what they believe but doing another. )
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. An excellent question. For that matter, do any of the Rajas who have residences in Fairfield regularly do their program in the dome? If not, I think there is *only* one word that can be used to describe them -- hypocrites. ( I considered the word scumbags, but that doesn't adequately convey the sense of saying one thing about what they believe but doing another. ) Heretics, all of them! Judge Not, and Ye Shall Not Be Judged J.C.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? Still curious, I'm wondering whether *anyone* has ever seen His Serene Bloatedness fly. I have to admit, I'd pay good money for a film of it. If he can get *that* butt even an inch off the foam, I'll start to believe that there's more to butt-bouncing than muscular reaction to a little cheap kundalini rush. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? Still curious, I'm wondering whether *anyone* has ever seen His Serene Bloatedness fly. I have to admit, I'd pay good money for a film of it. If he can get *that* butt even an inch off the foam, I'll start to believe that there's more to butt-bouncing than muscular reaction to a little cheap kundalini rush. :-) That is a funny one, Turk... I laughed at that one. Good film.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. An excellent question. For that matter, do any of the Rajas who have residences in Fairfield regularly do their program in the dome? If not, I think there is *only* one word that can be used to describe them -- hypocrites. ( I considered the word scumbags, but that doesn't adequately convey the sense of saying one thing about what they believe but doing another. ) Heretics, all of them! Judge Not, and Ye Shall Not Be Judged J.C. Judge not, and ye shall be taken to the cleaners by people who don't walk their own talk. B.W. :-) It's the most interesting question posed on this forum in quite a while IMO. I can't believe that no one has asked it before. Do *any* of the high-ranking royalty of the TM movement go to the domes to support the programs they urge others to give up their careers to follow slavishly? I'm waiting with 'bated breath for the answer to this one. I'm waiting with even more 'bated breath for the TB's excuses if the answer to the question is No. *What*, after all, could they possibly say?
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. Of course not. TBers favor VC, don't you know ? There are a number of program buildings in VC. I would imagine that such is the allure of VC that ambitious wannabees strive for access to the VC program facilities - and leave FF proper, drive past the domes, and head to VC to share foam-time with the elites. Such dedication to promote the propaganda of the superiority of VC, and its inhabitants, helps the TMO complete its goal to siphon every last dollar from the lives of the faithful.. Any wonder why going to group program just isn't what it used to be ?
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
(snip) Of course not. TBers favor VC, don't you know ? There are a number of program buildings in VC. I would imagine that such is the allure of VC that ambitious wannabees strive for access to the VC program facilities - and leave FF proper, drive past the domes, and head to VC to share foam-time with the elites. Such dedication to promote the propaganda of the superiority of VC, and its inhabitants, helps the TMO complete its goal to siphon every last dollar from the lives of the faithful.. Any wonder why going to group program just isn't what it used to be ? (snip) Sounds, just like the atmosphere in D.C. D.C. doesn't even have a representative in congress... That sounds familiar. Plus, the Bush's thought they would just rent the property out for a while. But, Thank the Good God, of this Earth and Heaven, That now, we will have, 'Change we can believe in'... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. Of course not. TBers favor VC, don't you know ? There are a number of program buildings in VC. I would imagine that such is the allure of VC that ambitious wannabees strive for access to the VC program facilities - and leave FF proper, drive past the domes, and head to VC to share foam-time with the elites. Such dedication to promote the propaganda of the superiority of VC, and its inhabitants, helps the TMO complete its goal to siphon every last dollar from the lives of the faithful.. Any wonder why going to group program just isn't what it used to be ? True, but this is an eternal truth, also... Because nothing is the same anymore, like it used to be. You see, change, means change. We need to discriminate the difference between: 'Change We Can Believe In' and... Whatever. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. Preferring cushy digs in Vedic City, the Hoi polloi don't mix with the unwashed rabble in the dome. I'm one of the simple folk in town, close to campus. I enjoy a 10-minute walk to the ladies dome when I'm not rushed for time or it's not too friggin cold. I still have ICE on the north slope of my driveway!
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G. Preferring cushy digs in Vedic City, the Hoi polloi don't mix with the unwashed rabble in the dome. I'm one of the simple folk in town, close to campus. I enjoy a 10-minute walk to the ladies dome when I'm not rushed for time or it's not too friggin cold. I still have ICE on the north slope of my driveway! casting evil eye at RD's icy driveway
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
ha-ha-- the flying expert speaks! B. supposedly flew -once- 30 years ago, and now deems the flying technique nothing more than muscular reaction and a little cheap kundalini rush. unlike your consciousness, your arrogance is unbounded. is that what you call enlightenment? lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? Still curious, I'm wondering whether *anyone* has ever seen His Serene Bloatedness fly. I have to admit, I'd pay good money for a film of it. If he can get *that* butt even an inch off the foam, I'll start to believe that there's more to butt-bouncing than muscular reaction to a little cheap kundalini rush. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: I know some guys who have flown for 8 hours in a day, day after day. This is consistent with what I hear from my friends in Fairfield. Shaddai, where do people do program in VC? Have you seen the elites there doing their program? When I asked the question here once about how much do Morris and Haglin meditate, someone mentioned Haglin joining in long programs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: I know some guys who have flown for 8 hours in a day, day after day. This is consistent with what I hear from my friends in Fairfield. Shaddai, where do people do program in VC? Have you seen the elites there doing their program? When I asked the question here once about how much do Morris and Haglin meditate, someone mentioned Haglin joining in long programs. I will inquire where people do program in VC. I know where the pandits and THMD do program. But though I now stay in VC while attending IA, I go to the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome and Temple of Pure Knowledge. Most people I know in VC go to the domes, even Chris Johnson and his family. Dr. BM used to go to the Dome but he complained that he didn't get peace and quiet during rest period. Men were bugging him all the time. No, no one with a title above Director of Dome Security and under assistant to under assistant to under assistant to the President go to the Dome as far as I can tell. But I'm a visitor. I don't know who's who at MUM and also I'm interested in going to my spot, doing my program, exchanging a whisper or two with my fellow fliers, following the yellow sheet road. Not even our presiding sidhi administrator, Doug, do program in the Dome. Doug drives up to the Dome for intermission then leaves when the 2nd round starts in the morning. We've been down this route before. About this time last year we were talking about who goes to the Dome and who's too important to go. Look at the archives. Not going to the Dome is OK. Remember that MUM and all of VC are now considered part of super radiance. I know for a fact that there are people who are not in the Dome who are counted into the flying numbers. I am reporting this because people have asked. I'm not invested in this issue. Ego has grown since last post, more kundalini flowing, more Self and self looking back at me, more water cannot quench me nor fire burn me. So if you want to use my reporting to further your agenda here that's fine. It's encouraging that Maharishi had such an effect upon you that after all these years you still can't shake him and are drawn to these debates like moths to the flame. I can take or leave FFL and there will come times when you'll wonder whatever happened to L. Shaddai. You, however, will still be part of the great mandala.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: I know some guys who have flown for 8 hours in a day, day after day. This is consistent with what I hear from my friends in Fairfield. Shaddai, where do people do program in VC? Have you seen the elites there doing their program? When I asked the question here once about how much do Morris and Haglin meditate, someone mentioned Haglin joining in long programs. I will inquire where people do program in VC. I know where the pandits and THMD do program. But though I now stay in VC while attending IA, I go to the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome and Temple of Pure Knowledge. Most people I know in VC go to the domes, even Chris Johnson and his family. Dr. BM used to go to the Dome but he complained that he didn't get peace and quiet during rest period. Men were bugging him all the time. No, no one with a title above Director of Dome Security and under assistant to under assistant to under assistant to the President go to the Dome as far as I can tell. But I'm a visitor. I don't know who's who at MUM and also I'm interested in going to my spot, doing my program, exchanging a whisper or two with my fellow fliers, following the yellow sheet road. Not even our presiding sidhi administrator, Doug, do program in the Dome. Doug drives up to the Dome for intermission then leaves when the 2nd round starts in the morning. We've been down this route before. About this time last year we were talking about who goes to the Dome and who's too important to go. Look at the archives. Not going to the Dome is OK. Remember that MUM and all of VC are now considered part of super radiance. I know for a fact that there are people who are not in the Dome who are counted into the flying numbers. I am reporting this because people have asked. I'm not invested in this issue. Ego has grown since last post, more kundalini flowing, more Self and self looking back at me, more water cannot quench me nor fire burn me. So if you want to use my reporting to further your agenda here that's fine. It's encouraging that Maharishi had such an effect upon you that after all these years you still can't shake him and are drawn to these debates like moths to the flame. I can take or leave FFL and there will come times when you'll wonder whatever happened to L. Shaddai. You, however, will still be part of the great mandala. Please don't go. I do not mean to be an inquisitor. Your reports are interesting and you are not defensive about your experiences. What you say always rings true. I can understand why the higher ups may avoid the domes. But I cannot help but be curious as to whether they walk the walk. No way to really tell so my question was probably pointless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:49 AM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Please don't go. I do not mean to be an inquisitor. Your reports are interesting and you are not defensive about your experiences. What you say always rings true. I can understand why the higher ups may avoid the domes. But I cannot help but be curious as to whether they walk the walk. No way to really tell so my question was probably pointless. Ruth, I concur with your conclusion. There's no way to know whether or not the higher ups walk the walk. All I do know is that Dr. BM and Dr. Hag did take a month of PK last year by orders of Maharishi. I suspect that the higher ups see their service to Maharishi and the TMO as a sadhana and perhaps don't even regularly do TM. Maharishi did make some hints last year that perhaps even doing TM on a regular basis is no longer necessary. As far as leaving and your being an inquisitor. I apologize that you did not quite understand my statements. FFL is a very adult play pen where rough housing is part of it all. I've noticed that indeed the world is as we are. Love flows through me constantly, I look out and see the love that flows through me. When I post to FFL the love is flowing through me and either I'm too inebriated with love and can't perceive being jabbed or people just decide not to harrass me. Whatever. Doesn't matter. Let's all laugh on. I am quite serious that my ego expands each day. I'm quite serious that I feel more each day that water cannot quench me nor fire burn me. So I can't be driven from FFL because of questions and statements directed at me, privately or publicly. Publiclly I've been offered help in dealing with the kundalini experiences by someone who sees the experiences as pathological or at the very least things are out of kilter, rather than the way I feel the experiences, as a gift, a reward from God. As the ultimate arcade, on the par with that wonderful aash (pita bread) I get right out of the oven in the Middle East. I appreciate the care and concern people have in wanting to help me find a cure for my malady. HAHAHAHA. So when and if I drop out of sight it won't be because I've been driven away. It'll be because I've moved on to even more rewarding things than the wonderfulness of FFL and the fabulous souls which frequent the forum. When I spoke of the attraction so many people have for Maharishi both in the antagonistic and in the loving and thankful sense, I was directing that at the entire group. Let the antogonistic ones have their say. The more they move and act, the more they stir the bliss. But also the more they proclaim that they are part and parcel of the great mandala. There appear to be some who are enslaved to Maharishi and his messages. But that's OK. They are delights and wonders. Let them grow, prosper and experience the infinite delight.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: So when and if I drop out of sight it won't be because I've been driven away. It'll be because I've moved on to even more rewarding things than the wonderfulness of FFL and the fabulous souls which frequent the forum. When I spoke of the attraction so many people have for Maharishi both in the antagonistic and in the loving and thankful sense, I was directing that at the entire group. Let the antogonistic ones have their say. The more they move and act, the more they stir the bliss. But also the more they proclaim that they are part and parcel of the great mandala. There appear to be some who are enslaved to Maharishi and his messages. But that's OK. They are delights and wonders. Let them grow, prosper and experience the infinite delight. OK, I understand better what you were saying.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Certainly not the Pleiadians, Sal! The Draconians, maybe?? I'll bet it's them! Their constellation certainly sounds sinister! Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:49 PM On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s.
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Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. Total waste of Sal's hotness IMO. Unless you pick one of the translucent ones and put the bright inquisitor light behind her... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s.
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. Total waste of Sal's hotness IMO. Unless you pick one of the translucent ones I must've missed those, Curtis! Oh, heck, let's just go the cellophane route. and put the bright inquisitor light behind her... Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). If that were true, look at those who have a history of slamming critics of TM here, the posters we tend to call the True Believers. You know who I'm talking about, right? They're sure putting *their* compassion on the line by being in the domes every day, right? :-) Face it...as far as I can tell (but I haven't been paying attention to dome attendance), the only person who regularly posts to this forum who seems to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to actually going to the domes is L.Shaddai. The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh?
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Sal
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No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). If that were true, look at those who have a history of slamming critics of TM here, the posters we tend to call the True Believers. You know who I'm talking about, right? I'm going to respond because I have a sneaking suspicion that Barry is including me in this category, even though he knows (a) I'm not a True Believer, and (b) I slam people who are dishonest, intellectually sloppy, hypocritical, arrogant, etc., whether they're TM critics or not, and *don't* slam TM critics who don't exhibit this kind of behavior. They're sure putting *their* compassion on the line by being in the domes every day, right? :-) Face it...as far as I can tell (but I haven't been paying attention to dome attendance), the only person who regularly posts to this forum who seems to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to actually going to the domes is L.Shaddai. The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, For me, not possible, for reasons I'm not going to go into. they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, I do plenty, thank you very much (and have already explained this to Barry). and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. Barry fantasizes that this is the case, but it isn't. It isn't true of any of those of us he characterizes as TBs, in fact (speaking of dishonesty). That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? It *is* a form of compassion for those who believe it works. But that, of course, doesn't mean (speaking of intellectual sloppiness) that those who don't participate in the domes lack compassion.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) You know the type I was talking about (which does not include Lawson...he's been very bal- anced and moderated in his comments lately). And it doesn't include those who clearly don't believe in the ME...why would they want to go to the domes if they don't believe it does anything? But those who profess to believe in the ME *and* who have a proven history of trying to demonize any critics of TM and who don't go to the domes themselves, even for a week or so during holidays if they live elsewhere? I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Cool if she does. I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. But those whose contribution to the TMO consists of posturing on the Internet and who claim to believe in the ME but don't do anything about supporting it? Fuckin' hypocrites.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. I wonder! The New York Times' Maureen Dowd has written how women in Saudi Arabia will wear mad sexy lingerie under their burkas.
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On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I wonder! The New York Times' Maureen Dowd has written how women in Saudi Arabia will wear mad sexy lingerie under their burkas. I heard blue jeans and t-shirts. Sal
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. I believe that there is a ME. Been there, seen it. Been back at the Houston CAE while the Amherst course was going on. I took note of the 747s colliding with each other, the Popes dying, the many dictators losing their positions, LPG tank truck blowing up on the coast of Spain killing and burning many. As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. When there was an Austin CAE near West Street in Downtown Austin I used to duck out of work as soon as I could, jump on the expressway and head to the CAE as fast as I could. There I was met by the 3 purusha guys, typically no one else in the mens flying crypt. It was an effort for me to go to the CAE but there were students and professors at UT a couple blocks away and they didn't show. I wasn't busting my ass to get downtown to the Austin CAE for world peace. I was busting my ass to get to where I am right now. What happened? TM was endlessly exciting during the Merv Wave. Going to the center, going on residence courses. Then I joined the vast mass of the unwashed lepers whom HH MMY had no use for because we were not in the exclusive society of sidhas. There were like no lectures for us. Definitely no courses for us. That I guess was an exciting time at MIU. I only know from having send my mum and myself at different times there for the month long SCI. I got the sidhis. Then I was part of the excitement. WPAs everywhere and everyone you went on there was a buzz in the air. The culmination of the excitement was the Taste of Utopia, which strangely enough couldn't make it for more than a week. If we could have extended at 7-8 thousand I would have extended and had the means to sponsor others. But it just wouldn't happen. Then it slowly fell apart until we got to the point where we had to outsource our dome attendence to a bunch of smarmy guys in VC.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) You know the type I was talking about (which does not include Lawson...he's been very bal- anced and moderated in his comments lately). And it doesn't include those who clearly don't believe in the ME...why would they want to go to the domes if they don't believe it does anything? But those who profess to believe in the ME *and* who have a proven history of trying to demonize any critics of TM and who don't go to the domes themselves, even for a week or so during holidays if they live elsewhere? I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Cool if she does. I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. But those whose contribution to the TMO consists of posturing on the Internet and who claim to believe in the ME but don't do anything about supporting it? Fuckin' hypocrites. ha ha- i think you've just painted yourself into a corner, arrogant fool. you have so many caveats in your statement above that you're not left with anyone that it pertains to! keep trippin'- you're good at it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 4:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. We? Who's we? But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. Yes, and what did it get us? 8 years of George Bush, endless war and an economy in the toilet. Great advertising for the ME, L. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. That would be basically cut out most of the conversation here. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. Yes, I'm sitting here burning with embarrassment at the very thought. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. Oh, really--you can see into people's souls? You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. Ah, but one thing we had in abundance then, which mercifully is somewhat less now, were gullible, naive sheep who believed all the nonsense spouting from the Fountains Of Wisdom. People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal
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OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal I did my share of in the field research Sal, and even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. That efficacy aspect is a level of the question. It is a good question though that can get at things here. More often the answer to efficacy of the ME question is that some lot of people see the behavior of the movement as so bad that the feeling in the domes from that bad character aspect of the movement itself is counter-productive to the experience. It is common when you ask around and listen. Yes, lot of people do not go. It is also remarkable too how many people have current dome badges but do not go. It often does boil down to the moral dissonance problem as you canvas. They do not reject the ME necessarily. Folks know the experience of a good group meditation. That experience and hope is often what had brought people here originally. Increasingly though over the years people are identifying the experience of a bad-group meditation with doing program in the domes. So they would simply rather stay home. Then again it can also just be that some people just do not like to meditate in group regardless. The common denominator here though is that folks mostly do like their meditation. mostly folks are loyal to that. But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. It has gone on to something else for most people. Of course, a lot of people have left over the years but of what remains, this aspect is pretty clear. I just ask and listen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Twenty-five years ago, 1983, was the epitome of personal participation in the group practices of the TMSP in Fairfield's Domes. In 1983, there were still traces of egalitarianism around; every Sidha was considered equally important to creating the square root effect. Sidhas in Fairfield were fully appreciated by the TMO simply for their dedicated, reliable dome attendance. Yet, in January, 1984, even before the end of the TOU 7000 course, the TMO took steps in a new direction that would undermine the status of the loyal single Sidha, and since then, the concept of the loyal valuable Sidha has yet to recover. Consequently, participation in group TMSP has declined as well. In January, 1984, the TMO elites, many still in Fairfield following the TOU course, were introduced to Ayurveda treatments, and thus began the TMO's new emphasis Outrageously high-priced services and products for every conceivable relative need pampered medical treatments ; routines and products for every hour of the day; luxury spa vacations ; jems ; jyotish ; yagyas to counter-act malefic jyotish; architecture; yada yada Egalitarianism is now long-gone. And loyal, subsistence-level Fairfield Sidhas Should they feel good about going to the domes today ? Like the jobs before them, even their participation in Superradiance has now been outsourced. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. That efficacy aspect is a level of the question. It is a good question though that can get at things here. More often the answer to efficacy of the ME question is that some lot of people see the behavior of the movement as so bad that the feeling in the domes from that bad character aspect of the movement itself is counter-productive to the experience. It is common when you ask around and listen. Yes, lot of people do not go. It is also remarkable too how many people have current dome badges but do not go. It often does boil down to the moral dissonance problem as you canvas. They do not reject the ME necessarily. Folks know the experience of a good group meditation. That experience and hope is often what had brought people here originally. Increasingly though over the years people are identifying the experience of a bad-group meditation with doing program in the domes. So they would simply rather stay home. Then again it can also just be that some people just do not like to meditate in group regardless. The common denominator here though is that folks mostly do like their meditation. mostly folks are loyal to that. But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. It has gone on to something else for most people. Of course, a lot of people have left over the years but of what remains, this aspect is pretty clear. I just ask and listen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Maybe it would help if the numbers were in gold next time? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:28 PM On Jan 5, 2009, at 4:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. We? Who's we? But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. Yes, and what did it get us? 8 years of George Bush, endless war and an economy in the toilet. Great advertising for the ME, L. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. That would be basically cut out most of the conversation here. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. Yes, I'm sitting here burning with embarrassment at the very thought. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. Oh, really--you can see into people's souls? You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. Ah, but one thing we had in abundance then, which mercifully is somewhat less now, were gullible, naive sheep who believed all the nonsense spouting from the Fountains Of Wisdom. People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote: A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program. It is true that most people no longer do their full TM/TM Sidhi Program. I have some friends who were on IA and are having a rough time of it and they're doing a 30 minute program. But I visit sidhas who just finished program and they were on the phone with you 30 minutes ago inviting you to come visit. You did hear what Maharishi said correctly. No longer a need to time exactly. More do what feels right. There use to be two waves in the Dome a few years ago: for the 20 minutes of sutras and for the 40 minutes of sutras. There is a lockstep in the Dome until you get to flying, but of course there are people doing shorter program. The emphasis is on flying. Flying for hours. Two reasons for this. One, to incourage personal growth. Second, to increase the ME. If you had men flying from 10 to 30 minutes years ago and you now get a bunch of people flying for a couple of hours at a time, well, that increases the super radiance. There's a whole lot less emphasis on Research into Consciousness as the Field of All Possibilities. This disappoints me because I love many repetitions of the sutras. So many repetitions that you forget how many you have left, which sutra you're on, who you are. I suspect that very long research is no longer available is that we want to get everyone flying at the same time. The abbreviated program brings to mind another reason why people don't go to the dome anymore. The programs are increasingly longer and that's a pinch for those in FF who have a modicum of a life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Are you serious? Flying for hours? What's the longest anyone is allowed to do? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote: From: I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:44 PM On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote: A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program. It is true that most people no longer do their full TM/TM Sidhi Program. I have some friends who were on IA and are having a rough time of it and they're doing a 30 minute program. But I visit sidhas who just finished program and they were on the phone with you 30 minutes ago inviting you to come visit. You did hear what Maharishi said correctly. No longer a need to time exactly. More do what feels right. There use to be two waves in the Dome a few years ago: for the 20 minutes of sutras and for the 40 minutes of sutras. There is a lockstep in the Dome until you get to flying, but of course there are people doing shorter program. The emphasis is on flying. Flying for hours. Two reasons for this. One, to incourage personal growth. Second, to increase the ME. If you had men flying from 10 to 30 minutes years ago and you now get a bunch of people flying for a couple of hours at a time, well, that increases the super radiance. There's a whole lot less emphasis on Research into Consciousness as the Field of All Possibilities. This disappoints me because I love many repetitions of the sutras. So many repetitions that you forget how many you have left, which sutra you're on, who you are. I suspect that very long research is no longer available is that we want to get everyone flying at the same time. The abbreviated program brings to mind another reason why people don't go to the dome anymore. The programs are increasingly longer and that's a pinch for those in FF who have a modicum of a life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM, gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you serious? Flying for hours? What's the longest anyone is allowed to do? * * There's time for an hour, hour and a half during first round. Then you have to stop because it's intermission time. You may fly as long as you want for the second morning round, as long as you don't prevent the sheets from getting changed, maintenance, dome meetings and the beginning of the afternoon round. Afternoon you may fly as long as you want. I've not heard of anyone being kicked out of the dome. I'd expect at some time they put on the very loud ghandarva Veda music but they might make an expection and ask you to put it on when you're done. That being the case, you have to finish flying before first morning round starts. I know some guys who have flown for 8 hours in a day, day after day.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
(snip) People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal I remember the ME, came before the dome, and the Siddhis. I remember that originally it was taught that we would need 1% of the population practicing TM, would be enough. Then it became 1% of 1% in the Dome, would be enough. My feeling is, that meditating anywhere near Fairfield, would be enough. Maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe that each meditator trascending anywhere, effects the whole consciousness, and that the act of transcending itself and experiencing pure consciousness, enlivens consciousness, everywhere. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G.
