Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Just a question, Edg, (and I know you don't seem to be one for much back and forth), but have you ever stumbled upon any channeled knowledge from a book, or otherwise that you've found useful and insightful. I am not setting a trap here. I only ask because, I have found such knowledge useful, even if I remain dubious from where it really came from. Nothing recently, but have in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it out. In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY. And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM. I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people, SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.
Channeling -- Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar:
It's a fair question. I have only sampled channeling here and there. I shouldn't have an opinion of much worth. But if I HAD studied for years, and certainly there's tons of folks who have done so, you'd think I would THEN have a strong list of validating concepts OR a good argument that it's bunk. Aaand, I just don't find any expert who has definitively done that out there. The jury is still out. No one is nailing this issue down with a clarity that's final, and that's exactly what isn't surprising here -- karma is unfathomable. Nothing is good or bad except thinking makes it so -- this seems to be the case with channeling -- someone interprets the moment of now, and that triggers personal resonance in the destiny of other nervous systems. Like: Oh, Dearest of the Blesseds, for this morning's contemplations, hear my voice sing of the ancient raptures of the intensity! Come up with your spirits to my Endless Abode where I will welcome you with Hosts of adoring angels. Bring your burdens to me and know peace. The Dark Intenders are quickening their ascending, but OUR LOVE is what I now guide. Have no fears. We will triumph! The Christ Soul inside all is now blossoming. Spread this news with great cheer in your countenance. Know I am with you. Lift all heavenwards! There's a Pot Luck at Fred's on Saturday, and we'll be taking up a collection to print up all my morning messages with special golden inks I will have blessed. SEE? That's just off the top of my head, and it obviously sucks, but it could be easily refined to make it palatable to the suckers. But now let me walk all this back and say, Maybe we're all channelers all the time! My five-thoughts-per-second-human-mind-speed concept seems to support the theory that we're all a seething cauldron of ideation from which we can cherry pick any damned interpretation we want any damned old time. And more: maybe all of us are such perfect sidewalk-psychics that almost anyone can grok what anyone else is about -- in a general sense of things -- and this gives all of us the ability to listen to our intuitions. Sure seems to me when a jyotishi looks at a chart, they're simply cherry picking the thoughts that arise -- choosing the ones that seem to go with the chart owner's mind. IT'S ALMOST VOODOO, eh? Heh. And when I'm walking down the street, I CONCLUDE about almost anyone instantly. Body language and all that aside, it's dang cool that all of us can do this so effortlessly. No surprise if birth-talent and practice make some folks VERY good at channeling. All the above said, it seems obvious that any listener -- too -- can interpret any soothsayer's statements with pretty much 100% freedom to be wrong, but still come away thinking the palmist was spot on about the tea leaves with the chicken entrails mixed up in them on the Tarot card you chose. I don't mindfully ravel any given moment and see the threads individually, but it sure seems that anyone's nervous system DOES this in the background, and is always at the ready. And usually it's right. So, on that level, if I meet a channeler, if there's an opinion about me, I'll listen -- it's another expert maybe and I could get some speck of a notion that I could work up into yet another nice theory about me. But, geeze, me? In all of history, me? I'm so tired of me and all the ThreeStooge shit I get into. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just a question, Edg, (and I know you don't seem to be one for much back and forth), but have you ever stumbled upon any channeled knowledge from a book, or otherwise that you've found useful and insightful. I am not setting a trap here. I only ask because, I have found such knowledge useful, even if I remain dubious from where it really came from. Nothing recently, but have in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it out. In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with hatred
Re: Channeling -- Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar:
Edg, thanks for reply. I'd to read over when I have more time and can respond. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's a fair question. I have only sampled channeling here and there. I shouldn't have an opinion of much worth. But if I HAD studied for years, and certainly there's tons of folks who have done so, you'd think I would THEN have a strong list of validating concepts OR a good argument that it's bunk. Aaand, I just don't find any expert who has definitively done that out there. The jury is still out. No one is nailing this issue down with a clarity that's final, and that's exactly what isn't surprising here -- karma is unfathomable. Nothing is good or bad except thinking makes it so -- this seems to be the case with channeling -- someone interprets the moment of now, and that triggers personal resonance in the destiny of other nervous systems. Like: Oh, Dearest of the Blesseds, for this morning's contemplations, hear my voice sing of the ancient raptures of the intensity! Come up with your spirits to my Endless Abode where I will welcome you with Hosts of adoring angels. Bring your burdens to me and know peace. The Dark Intenders are quickening their ascending, but OUR LOVE is what I now guide. Have no fears. We will triumph! The Christ Soul inside all is now blossoming. Spread this news with great cheer in your countenance. Know I am with you. Lift all heavenwards! There's a Pot Luck at Fred's on Saturday, and we'll be taking up a collection to print up all my morning messages with special golden inks I will have blessed. SEE? That's just off the top of my head, and it obviously sucks, but it could be easily refined to make it palatable to the suckers. But now let me walk all this back and say, Maybe we're all channelers all the time! My five-thoughts-per-second-human-mind-speed concept seems to support the theory that we're all a seething cauldron of ideation from which we can cherry pick any damned interpretation we want any damned old time. And more: maybe all of us are such perfect sidewalk-psychics that almost anyone can grok what anyone else is about -- in a general sense of things -- and this gives all of us the ability to listen to our intuitions. Sure seems to me when a jyotishi looks at a chart, they're simply cherry picking the thoughts that arise -- choosing the ones that seem to go with the chart owner's mind. IT'S ALMOST VOODOO, eh? Heh. And when I'm walking down the street, I CONCLUDE about almost anyone instantly. Body language and all that aside, it's dang cool that all of us can do this so effortlessly. No surprise if birth-talent and practice make some folks VERY good at channeling. All the above said, it seems obvious that any listener -- too -- can interpret any soothsayer's statements with pretty much 100% freedom to be wrong, but still come away thinking the palmist was spot on about the tea leaves with the chicken entrails mixed up in them on the Tarot card you chose. I don't mindfully ravel any given moment and see the threads individually, but it sure seems that anyone's nervous system DOES this in the background, and is always at the ready. And usually it's right. So, on that level, if I meet a channeler, if there's an opinion about me, I'll listen -- it's another expert maybe and I could get some speck of a notion that I could work up into yet another nice theory about me. But, geeze, me? In all of history, me? I'm so tired of me and all the ThreeStooge shit I get into. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just a question, Edg, (and I know you don't seem to be one for much back and forth), but have you ever stumbled upon any channeled knowledge from a book, or otherwise that you've found useful and insightful. I am not setting a trap here. I only ask because, I have found such knowledge useful, even if I remain dubious from where it really came from. Nothing recently, but have in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant
RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak, ritam bhara pragya. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015 Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it out. In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY. And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM. I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people, SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Alright Ricky! You nailed meI didn't listen to the interview. Your explanation seems a whole lot better than channeling of an entity. So, let's ask ya: do you believe he dwells 24/7 at that level of ritam and is truly coming out with perfect expressions of the divine -- like, say, Totakacharya coming up the hill singing new sutras that were instantly validating of themselves due to their strict adherence to the rules of Vedic poetry?.pronunciation, meter, vocabetc? I would doubt you'd say he was that refined, but maybe you would. Seems to me it's easy to pretend all this shit. And if a person practices at it, well, sure, it gets honed into an art form, and that just makes it harder to reveal the fakery. Me for instance -- the typical person on the street would think I really really knew about eastern philosophy, since I could talk non-stop for hours without repetitions. Where's the worth in that? A channeler who has practiced the art can easily fool almost anyone -- like a magician does coin tricks. Show me one channeler who says, Go twenty paces into the woods north of the dome, did ten feet down and you'll find a rabbit shaped golden ornament with a carbon dating of 60,000 years ago. Like that. Like godamned that. Give me some proof. Predict ONE THING. Find someone's lost car keys for Christ's sake. I'll take anything. Your interviews are so lacking in this kind of push-back. Not that nice people chatting isn't funzies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/ https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak, ritam bhara pragya. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015 Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it out. In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY. And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM. I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people, SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Spot on Duveyoung!
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the
Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Alright Ricky! You nailed meI didn't listen to the interview. Your
explanation seems a whole lot better than channeling of an entity.
So, let's ask ya: do you believe he dwells 24/7 at that level of
ritam and is truly coming out with perfect expressions of the divine -- like,
say, Totakacharya coming up the hill singing new sutras that were instantly
validating of themselves due to their strict adherence to the rules of Vedic
poetry?.pronunciation, meter, vocabetc?
I would doubt you'd say he was that refined, but maybe you would.
Seems to me it's easy to pretend all this shit. And if a person practices at
it, well, sure, it gets honed into an art form, and that just makes it harder
to reveal the fakery.
Me for instance -- the typical person on the street would think I really really
knew about eastern philosophy, since I could talk non-stop for hours without
repetitions. Where's the worth in that? A channeler who has practiced the art
can easily fool almost anyone -- like a magician does coin tricks.
Show me one channeler who says, Go twenty paces into the woods north of the
dome, did ten feet down and you'll find a rabbit shaped golden ornament with a
carbon dating of 60,000 years ago.
Like that. Like godamned that. Give me some proof. Predict ONE THING. Find
someone's lost car keys for Christ's sake. I'll take anything.
Your interviews are so lacking in this kind of push-back. Not that nice people
chatting isn't funzies.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be
channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see
https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles
into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak,
ritam bhara pragya. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas
Pump - 06/23/2015 Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant
for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter.
Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now
Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face?
I mean, really. ...shit.
On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the
human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to
conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians
and feel like they were nailing the role, eh?
Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system
of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some
giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it
out.
In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with
hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain
of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as
channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY.
And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM.
I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that
couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people,
SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity. #yiv3000770658
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To Rick - Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
I did listen and I can assure you having been a channel and having known more
than a few other channels, he is simply creating a riff on the standard I am
the archangel Gabriel or I channel Mother Mary.
Its the same stuff, to appeal to a certain audience. I admit, having done it
for so long, I am not too impressed or perhaps one could say jaded with the
entire schtick.
I mean no unkindness to you or Mr. Gergar, but its all feel good stuff that is
ultimately of little value from most channels. There are times when someone
will bring through something of clearly substantive value, but most of the
time the person receiving the channeling will be happy with it because of the
energy they feel during the session, which colors their perception of what they
receive.
In some instances, it is the energy itself they seek, and so its all hunky
dory. And there are some who would say that if the energy feels good, what's to
complain about?
My answer is that for the majority of channels, they want an audience, a paying
audience mind you. Nothing wrong with making a living, but the people keep
coming back and paying money to listen to generalized new age (and sometimes
tailored to a specific audience like former TM'ers or other meditation groups)
that is of little real value, but they keep coming back and paying because they
feel energy during the session and like guru followers who feel energy in the
presence of the guru, they think the guru is enlightened, therefore whatever
guru says no matter how bizarre must be real and true.
Those participating in the channelings feel energy and assume in the same
fashion the guy or gal must be channeling legitimately and the blabber is or
will one day be substantive.
Unfortunately many participate because they feel inside they don't know as much
are have as much as someone they think has it together.
Rick, I've been involved in channeling for nearly 30 years. I know what I am
talking about. I went to this guy's web site and listened to a few of his
channelings. He's no different than any of the rest. He is offering a lot of
New Age blabber. And he isn't the only one who claims to just be channeling the
higher self, he is just marketing a bit better than some.
From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the
Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
Actually, if you had listened to the interview, he doesn’t claim to be
channeling an individual entity, unlike a few others I’ve interviewed (see
https://batgap.com/past-interviews/categorical-index-guests/). He just settles
into universal consciousness and then speaks from that state. In TM-speak,
ritam bhara pragya.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:38 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas
Pump - 06/23/2015 Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant
for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter.
Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now
Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face?
I mean, really. ...shit.
On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the
human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to
conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians
and feel like they were nailing the role, eh?
Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system
of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some
giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it
out.
In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with
hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain
of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as
channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY.
And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM.
I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that
couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people,
SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity. #yiv8732175935
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Re: Channeling -- Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar:
Sure, thanks for the reply and the humor. I have read some books that were supposedly channeled, and they changed my perspective, and provided me with insights on various spiritual and practical issues. I think, as you seem to indicate, that the wisdom, (if you want to call it that) comes from within as opposed to without. There is a lot of fluff, as you illustrate below, but I have also found more substantial writings on the other end of the spectrum. Just thought I'd ask. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's a fair question. I have only sampled channeling here and there. I shouldn't have an opinion of much worth. But if I HAD studied for years, and certainly there's tons of folks who have done so, you'd think I would THEN have a strong list of validating concepts OR a good argument that it's bunk. Aaand, I just don't find any expert who has definitively done that out there. The jury is still out. No one is nailing this issue down with a clarity that's final, and that's exactly what isn't surprising here -- karma is unfathomable. Nothing is good or bad except thinking makes it so -- this seems to be the case with channeling -- someone interprets the moment of now, and that triggers personal resonance in the destiny of other nervous systems. Like: Oh, Dearest of the Blesseds, for this morning's contemplations, hear my voice sing of the ancient raptures of the intensity! Come up with your spirits to my Endless Abode where I will welcome you with Hosts of adoring angels. Bring your burdens to me and know peace. The Dark Intenders are quickening their ascending, but OUR LOVE is what I now guide. Have no fears. We will triumph! The Christ Soul inside all is now blossoming. Spread this news with great cheer in your countenance. Know I am with you. Lift all heavenwards! There's a Pot Luck at Fred's on Saturday, and we'll be taking up a collection to print up all my morning messages with special golden inks I will have blessed. SEE? That's just off the top of my head, and it obviously sucks, but it could be easily refined to make it palatable to the suckers. But now let me walk all this back and say, Maybe we're all channelers all the time! My five-thoughts-per-second-human-mind-speed concept seems to support the theory that we're all a seething cauldron of ideation from which we can cherry pick any damned interpretation we want any damned old time. And more: maybe all of us are such perfect sidewalk-psychics that almost anyone can grok what anyone else is about -- in a general sense of things -- and this gives all of us the ability to listen to our intuitions. Sure seems to me when a jyotishi looks at a chart, they're simply cherry picking the thoughts that arise -- choosing the ones that seem to go with the chart owner's mind. IT'S ALMOST VOODOO, eh? Heh. And when I'm walking down the street, I CONCLUDE about almost anyone instantly. Body language and all that aside, it's dang cool that all of us can do this so effortlessly. No surprise if birth-talent and practice make some folks VERY good at channeling. All the above said, it seems obvious that any listener -- too -- can interpret any soothsayer's statements with pretty much 100% freedom to be wrong, but still come away thinking the palmist was spot on about the tea leaves with the chicken entrails mixed up in them on the Tarot card you chose. I don't mindfully ravel any given moment and see the threads individually, but it sure seems that anyone's nervous system DOES this in the background, and is always at the ready. And usually it's right. So, on that level, if I meet a channeler, if there's an opinion about me, I'll listen -- it's another expert maybe and I could get some speck of a notion that I could work up into yet another nice theory about me. But, geeze, me? In all of history, me? I'm so tired of me and all the ThreeStooge shit I get into. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just a question, Edg, (and I know you don't seem to be one for much back and forth), but have you ever stumbled upon any channeled knowledge from a book, or otherwise that you've found useful and insightful. I am not setting a trap here. I only ask because, I have found such knowledge useful, even if I remain dubious from where it really came from. Nothing recently, but have in the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln Gergar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/23/2015
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Yeah, I agree. Rick's scraping the bottom of the barrel. I shudda been a channeler -- perfect job for a bullshit artist with a penchant for flowery writing -- I could do this with my toes on an old Royal typewriter. Of course, lying to people's faces directly...this is the hard part. I'm now Ramtha! -- how do you keep a straight face? I mean, really. ...shit. On the other hand, my jury's still out about astral existence...could be the human nervous system is so good a foolery because it is exquisitely able to conjure up any concoction and run with it. Who didn't play cowboys and indians and feel like they were nailing the role, eh? Or, if after life existence does exist, then yeah, maybe a human nervous system of almost perfect quiescence could pick up on the mental broadcasts of some giant brain out there... but gawd this is making me puke to even type it out. In today's modernity with 50,000 industrial chemicals in the environment, with hatred saturating the headlines, with every religion having a very black stain of certainty, who in the fuck are we kidding that anyone could get as subtle as channeling would actually require? Our nervous systems ARE JANGLING CONSTANTLY. And it's Kali Yuga baby -- GOD WANTS TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES BOOM. I never read any channeled report that gave anyone any inside information that couldn't have been simply made up out of whole cloth. SCIENCE, people, SCIENCEchanneling is so easily tested for validity.
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Holy Crap! From enlightened (so called) people to channels! What next?
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[FairfieldLife] Lincoln
Never has the phrase politics as usual meant as much to me as when watching Steven Spielberg's Lincoln. If we thought that the modern mudslinging and backroom dirty dealings we've gotten used to in modern politics were new, the film makes us think again. Lincoln was a straightforward, self-educated man. Like Jesus, he talked in parables and stories that almost felt like non-sequiturs, but weren't. As portrayed by Daniel Day-Lewis in what is basically an indisputably Oscar- nominated performance, he is the personification of pragmatism. He will do whatever is necessary to achieve the thing he feels that he most has to achieve during his tenure as President of the United States. That is the passage of the 13th Amendment, the one that abolished slavery. Sure, he'd kinda done that before with the Emancipation Proclamation, but then as now that was a mere executive order, and could be overturned at any time. So he wanted it made into law, so that it would outlive him. This is primarily a film about what he had to do to achieve that. It involves ALL of the dirty tricks, bribery, blackmail, and low-life thugs you associate with modern politics. But, if you were raised as an American and told to put Lincoln on a pedestal, you approach the film thinking that those are the tactics employed by his opponents, those who want to perpetuate slavery. They're not. Why we remember Abraham Lincoln's name and not theirs is that he was *better* at these tactics than his opponents were. If this sounds a little depressing, it isn't. Instead it's very real, very pragmatic, and very revealing of the real history behind a historical persona. Lincoln could easily have played it safe and postponed the vote on the 13th Amendment until after he was inaugurated. But he didn't. Oh, that Obama would have the backbone to do the right thing the way that Lincoln did. This is a very downplayed film full of downplayed acting. You don't congratulate the actors in this film for their flamboyant or over-the-top performances. Instead, you congratulate actors of the caliber of David Straithairn and Tommy Lee Jones for *keeping it in their pants*, and *underplaying* things for once. It works.
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On 12/29/2012 08:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Never has the phrase politics as usual meant as much to me as when watching Steven Spielberg's Lincoln. If we thought that the modern mudslinging and backroom dirty dealings we've gotten used to in modern politics were new, the film makes us think again. Lincoln was a straightforward, self-educated man. Like Jesus, he talked in parables and stories that almost felt like non-sequiturs, but weren't. As portrayed by Daniel Day-Lewis in what is basically an indisputably Oscar- nominated performance, he is the personification of pragmatism. He will do whatever is necessary to achieve the thing he feels that he most has to achieve during his tenure as President of the United States. That is the passage of the 13th Amendment, the one that abolished slavery. Sure, he'd kinda done that before with the Emancipation Proclamation, but then as now that was a mere executive order, and could be overturned at any time. So he wanted it made into law, so that it would outlive him. This is primarily a film about what he had to do to achieve that. It involves ALL of the dirty tricks, bribery, blackmail, and low-life thugs you associate with modern politics. But, if you were raised as an American and told to put Lincoln on a pedestal, you approach the film thinking that those are the tactics employed by his opponents, those who want to perpetuate slavery. They're not. Why we remember Abraham Lincoln's name and not theirs is that he was *better* at these tactics than his opponents were. If this sounds a little depressing, it isn't. Instead it's very real, very pragmatic, and very revealing of the real history behind a historical persona. Lincoln could easily have played it safe and postponed the vote on the 13th Amendment until after he was inaugurated. But he didn't. Oh, that Obama would have the backbone to do the right thing the way that Lincoln did. This is a very downplayed film full of downplayed acting. You don't congratulate the actors in this film for their flamboyant or over-the-top performances. Instead, you congratulate actors of the caliber of David Straithairn and Tommy Lee Jones for *keeping it in their pants*, and *underplaying* things for once. It works. Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette.
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln
there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. - Abe Lincoln
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On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:09 AM, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.comwrote: there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. - Abe Lincoln Most rewarding is a study of American history and the history of American politics. One sees that booms and busts have been part of the American scene. That immorality, illegality, lack of respect for law and order. All of these have been here. Witch hunts. If it wasn't religion, it was race. If it wasn't race it was demon rum or vile slavery. It was the Italian immigrants, the German immigrants, the Irish immigrants. Today its smoking and sex offenders. Sex offenders are retried (and convicted) for the same and single crime over and over again, even if the crime was merely to relieve onself off a bit too much urine in a place that was less than opportune. These individuals are continuously hunted down. Banned from social sites, ban from towns, having to announce their presence wherever they go. All of the laws surrounding sex offenders and their new limitations are passed after the person has been tried, convicted and service his/her time. It never ends. It's just the same old, same old, based on different issues, different circumstances.
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Doug... are you trying to tell us that you're a child molster that just needs to be accepted? --- On Sat, 8/22/09, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com wrote: From: It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 6:04 PM On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:09 AM, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ yahoo.com wrote: there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. - Abe Lincoln Most rewarding is a study of American history and the history of American politics. One sees that booms and busts have been part of the American scene. That immorality, illegality, lack of respect for law and order. All of these have been here. Witch hunts. If it wasn't religion, it was race. If it wasn't race it was demon rum or vile slavery. It was the Italian immigrants, the German immigrants, the Irish immigrants. Today its smoking and sex offenders. Sex offenders are retried (and convicted) for the same and single crime over and over again, even if the crime was merely to relieve onself off a bit too much urine in a place that was less than opportune. These individuals are continuously hunted down. Banned from social sites, ban from towns, having to announce their presence wherever they go. All of the laws surrounding sex offenders and their new limitations are passed after the person has been tried, convicted and service his/her time. It never ends. It's just the same old, same old, based on different issues, different circumstances.
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On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Doug... are you trying to tell us that you're a child molster that just needs to be accepted? --- On Sat, 8/22/09, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com wrote: I'd not be surprised if Doug is a child molester. But he'll never be accepted. But I'm not Doug. I am Bill Hicks (deceased). I am saying that we repeat the same comedies and tragedies over and over again throughout American History. The cursed. The hunted. The vile drink/weed/drug/dance. The panics, the booms, the depressions. Today it's the oil, pharma and insurance companies. Before that it was steel, the railroads, the cotton mills, the confiscatory tariff on Southern goods to pay for railroads and canals that didn't go through the South. The many companies which robbed the Union/North blind providing weapons, goods and services during the War of Northern Aggression. I'm on a rag about sex offenders because I know a few. They are haunted, hounded. A 17 y/o boy got it on with a 13 y/o girl and the boy is ruined for life. In many states registered sex offenders have to go to dumpy trailer parks to live because that's the only place they can live. We keep on passing new after the fact laws which effectively impose new penalties on people who have already been tried, convicted and paid their debt to society. And the sex offenders registery only lists the sex offenders THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. It's against the Bill of Rights, but then all excesses in American History (and we've had nothing but excesses in our history) are against the Bill of Rights or at least common decency.
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln and Obama -copied from SOHAMSA list
Lincoln and Obama Link Message List Reply | Forward Message #17676 of 17762 Prev | Next Namaste, I just want to point out a small point I noticed. Take the D-60 (shashtyamsa chart) of Barack Obama: Jupiter in Ar, Saturn Rahu in Ta, Mars in Ge, Sun in Vi, Venus in Li, Ketu in Sc, Mercury and Moon in Cp. Take the rasi chart of Abraham Lincoln: Lagna, Sun and Mercury in Aq, Venus and Jupiter in Pi, Ketu in Ar, Mars and Rahu in Li, Saturn in Sc, Moon in Cp. IF Obama's D-60 chart has arudha lagna in Virgo and we judge the shashtyamsa from Vi to see past life, we see significant similarities between the two charts. *** Lincoln's rasi chart had Sun and Mercury in 1st. Obama's D-60 has Sun in a Mercurian sign in 1st (from arudha lagna). Lincoln's 2nd has a strong (exalted) Venus with a strong Jupiter. Obama's 2nd has a strong (moolatrikona) Venus aspected by Jupiter in a friendly sign. Both have Ketu in a Martian sign in 3rd. Lincoln has 4th lord Venus in a sign of Jupiter. Obama has 4th owned by Jupiter and Venus aspecting 4th lord. Lincoln has 5th owned by Mercury. Obama has Mercury in 5th. Lincoln's 6th lord is in a sign of Saturn aspected by Saturn. Obama's 6th is owned and aspected by Saturn. Lincoln's 8th is aspected by Venus and Jupiter. Obama's 8th has Jupiter aspected by Venus. Lincoln's 9th has Mars (a malefic) and Rahu in Venusian sign. Obama's 9th has Saturn (a malefic) and Rahu in a Venusian sign. Lincoln's 10th has Saturn (a malefic) in a Martian sign. Obama's 10th has Mars (a malefic). Lincoln's 12th has Moon and 12th lord owns and aspects lagna too. Obama's 12th is aspected by Moon and 12th lord is in lagna. These are interesting similarities and just wanted to mention them. *** Scriptures say that the last desire of a person at the moment of death is the basis for the next life. If one has sufficient punya, one may get a chart corresponding to that desire. The last desire should be visible in the punya chakra (death chart). For those who want to study Abraham Lincoln's punya chakra, here is the data: 1865 April 15, 7:22:10 am (LMT), Washington DC. He died under intense medical supervision and the time was recorded by his doctor. The 7th house of desire in this death chart is Sc. That shows the last desires and final thoughts. Take that as lagna to see desire relative to various houses. The key combinations are a very strong Saturn with Rahu in 12th and Mercury, Sun and Ketu aspected by Moon in 6th. Obama has Mercury and Sun together in a sign of Moon and aspected by Ketu and Saturn is opposite them (aspected by Rahu). If you take Aq lagna, these combinations fall in the same houses (6th and 12th) as in Lincoln's punya chakra. In fact, a birthtime of 8 pm for Obama is quite interesting. Events like his marriage, his career, his election etc make perfect sense based on natal dasas as well as TA dasa of relevant annual TP charts. *** Those interested in punya chakra and next birth chart links can get some practical examples of people with past life recollection in Sri KN Rao's nice book on Karma and Rebirth. Best regards, Narasimha -- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
[FairfieldLife] 'Lincoln Mac'
George B. McClellan (1826-1885)George B. McClellan, known as Little Mac and Little Napoleon, was the Union General who served as both Commander of the Army of the Potomac and General in Chief after the resignation of General Winfield Scott (whom McClellan circumvented) in November 1861. He maintained his headquarters in Washington during the winter of 1861-62 at the Southeast Corner of H Street and Madison Place, near the White House on Lafayette Square. It was owned by Navy Captain Charles Wilkes whose seizure of two confederate emissaries created the Trent affair in late 1861. McClellan had resigned from the Army in 1857 and became general superintendent of Illinois Central Railroad and a supporter of Stephen Douglas in 1858 Senate race. Some early victories in West Virginia led to his appointment to head the Union Army of the Potomac on July 27, 1861. McClellan almost immediately began a campaign to undermine and replace Winfield Scott, head of the Union armies. He had contempt for Scott and virtually all civilian authorities. On October 10, 1861, he wrote his wife: When I returned yesterday after a long ride I was obliged to attend a meeting of the Cabinet at 8 pm. was bored annoyed. There are some of the greatest geese in the Cabinet I have ever seen—enough to tax the patience of Job... 1 A month later on November 17, he wrote his wife: I went to the White House shortly after tea where I found 'the original gorilla,' about as intelligent as ever. What a specimen to be at the head of our affairs now!2 He later recalled his early associations with Mr. Lincoln in a more favorable light: My relations with Mr. Lincoln were generally very pleasant, and I seldom had trouble with him when we could meet face to face. I believe that he liked me personally, and certainly he was always much influenced by me when we were together. During the early part of my command in Washington he often consulted with me before taking important steps or appointing general officers.3 McClellan got seriously ill in December 1861 and all plans for a Union offensive stalled while pressure for movement grew. On January 6, 1862, President Lincoln called a special cabinet meeting with several generals and the members of the Committee on the Conduct of the War. Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase, later an ardent critic of McClellan, defended him at this meeting: I expressed my own views, saying that, in my judgment, Genl. McClellan was the best man for the place he held known to me— that, I believed, if his sickness had not prevented he would by this time, have satisfied everybody in the country of his efficiency and capacity —that I thought, however, that he tasked himself too severely—that no physical or mental vigor could sustain the strains he imposed on himself, often on the saddle nearly all day and transacting business at his rooms nearly all night that, in my judgment, he ought to confer freely with his ablest and most experienced Generals, deriving from them the benefits which their counsels, whether accepted or rejected, would certainly impart, and communicating to them full intelligence of his own plans of action, so that, in the event of sickness or accident to himself, the movements of the army need not necessarily be interrupted or delayed. I added that, in my opinion, no one person could discharge fitly the special duties of Commander of the Army of the Potomac, and the general duties of Commanding General of the Armies of the United States; and that Genl. McClellan, in undertaking to discharge both, had undertaken what he could not perform. Much else was said by various gentlemen, and the discussion was concluded by the announcement by the President that he would call on Genl. McClellan, and ascertain his views in respect to the division of the commands.4 After several such planning sessions, McClellan feared that his authority was being usurped and arrived in person to reestablish his command. Still, however, McClellan delayed an advance and chose a strategy with which the President disagreed but acquiesced. It wasn't until March 1862 that McClellan finally put the Army of the Potomac in movement toward Richmond. The President's frustration was reflected when he told the wife of an administration official: Suppose a man whose profession it is to understand military matters is asked how long it will take him and what he requires to accomplish certain things, and when he has had all he asked and the time comes, he does nothing.5 The Peninsula Campaign itself was slow; McClellan was defeated in the Seven Days' Battles (June 25-July 1, 1862). Plagued by a siege mentality of warfare, he had a habit of overestimating the Confederate forces he faced and underestimating his ability to move expeditiously against them. He felt that Secretary of War Stanton and President Lincoln had deserted him. 'Honest A has again fallen into the hands of my enemies is no
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln -- Among Our Greatest Presidents?
Lincoln -- Among Our Greatest Presidents? Based on some afternoon reading and thinking. Its amazing how myths are born and survive. 1) The Civil war produced huge casualities The war produced more than 970,000 casualties (3% of the population), including approximately 620,000 soldier deaths two-thirds by disease. USA Killed in action: 110,000 Total dead: 360,000 Wounded: 275,200 CSA Killed in action: 93,000 Total dead: 258,000 Wounded: 137,000+ Total Killed in action: 203,000 Total dead: 618,000 Wounded: 412,000+ 2) Reconstruction Set Race Relations Back by Many Years The initial flurry of Reconstruction civil rights measures was eroded and converted into laws that expanded racial segregation and discrimination throughout Southern institutions and everyday life. In exchange for its acceptance of reintegration into the Union, the South (along with the rest of the country) was allowed to reestablish a segregated, race-discriminatory society. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction 3) The Civil War was Not about the Abolition of Slavery Letter to Horace Greeley President Abraham Lincoln Executive Mansion Washington, August 22, 1862 Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir. I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable [sic] in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right. As to the policy I seem to be pursuing as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt. I would save the union. I would save it in the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be the Union as it was. If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forebear, I forebear because I do not believe it would save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free. Yours, A. Lincoln. 4) Slavery had almost reached its outer limits of growth by 1860, so war was unnecessary to stop further growth. The institution was already on the road to ultimate extinction, (see #5).4) Only Seven percent of slaveholders owned roughly three-quarters of the slave population. Ramsdell, Charles W. The Natural Limits of Slavery Expansion, Mississippi Valley Historical Review, 16 (Sept. 1929), 151-71, in JSTOR says slavery had almost reached its outer limits of growth by 1860, so war was unnecessary to stop further growth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War The plantation system, in effect, determined the structure of Southern society. By 1850, there may have been fewer than 350,000 slaveholders in a total free population of about six million--representing approximately 36% of white households. There was sufficient social mobility in free southern society that an even larger proportion of free southerners might expect at some point to own slaves. However, the proportion of slaveowning households would decline, by 1860, to approximately 25%, and the distribution of slave ownership was highly concentrated within a small minority of slaveowners that owned the majority of slaves. Perhaps seven percent of slaveholders owned roughly three-quarters of the slave population. This plantation-owning elite, known as slave magnates, was small enough as to be comparable to the millionaires of the following century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War 5) Succession Could have Occurred Peacefully or the war could have been averted by skillful and responsible leaders. One possible compromise was peaceful secession agreed to by the
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln, from Time
Title: Lincoln, from Time This is long, but I enjoyed it and thought others might. It provides interesting examples of the value of developed emotional intelligence. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1077300-1,00.html The Master of the Game When he arrived in Washington he didn't have much political experience, but Lincoln had emotional strengths that made him a natural By DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN Posted Sunday, Jun. 26, 2005 Lincoln's political resume was meager, his learning derided, and his election considered a stroke of luck. And yet the prairie lawyer from Springfield would emerge the undisputed captain of his distinguished Cabinet, earning the respect of colleagues who had originally disdained him, and become, as Whitman wrote, the grandest figure yet, on all the crowded canvas of the Nineteenth Century. As it turned out, unbeknownst to the country at the time, Lincoln was a towering political genius--not because he had mastered the traditional rules of the game, but because he possessed a remarkable array of emotional strengths that are rarely found in political life. He had what we would call today a first-class emotional intelligence. To appreciate the magnitude of Lincoln's political success, it helps to understand just how slight a figure he appeared to be when he arrived in Washington. Never did a President enter upon office with less means at his command, Harvard professor James Russell Lowell wrote in 1863. All that was known of him was that he was a good stump-speaker, nominated for his availability--that is, because he had no history. His entire national political experience consisted of a single term in Congress that had come to an end nearly a dozen years earlier and two failed Senate races. He had absolutely no administrative experience and only one year of formal schooling. Newspapers described him as a third-rate Western lawyer and a fourth-rate lecturer, who cannot speak good grammar. In contrast, his three chief rivals for the Republican nomination were household names in Republican circles. William Henry Seward had been a celebrated Senator from New York for more than a decade and Governor of his state for two terms before he went to Washington. Ohio's Salmon P. Chase, too, had been both Senator and Governor, and had played a central role in the formation of the Republican Party. Edward Bates was a widely respected elder statesman from Missouri, a former Congressman whose opinions on national matters were still widely sought. All three men, knowing they were better educated, more experienced and more qualified than Lincoln, were stunned when he received the Republican nomination and went on to win the election. Then he, in turn, stunned the political world by putting all three of his rivals into his Cabinet. It was a seemingly dangerous act, since it risked building up a potential opponent in the next election and ensured that he would be seen by many as a mere figurehead. His opponents were certain that he had failed this first test of leadership. The construction of a Cabinet, one critical editorial suggested, like the courting of a shrewd girl, belongs to a branch of the fine arts with which the new Executive is not acquainted. There are certain little tricks which go far beyond the arts familiar to the stump, and the cross-road tavern, whose comprehension requires a delicacy of thought and subtlety of perception, secured only by experience. In fact, it was a subtlety of perception about what he needed, and a deep emotional strength, that lay behind Lincoln's move. As his secretary, John Nicolay, later wrote, Lincoln's first decision was one of great courage and self-reliance. A less confident man might have surrounded himself with personal supporters who would never question his authority. Later Lincoln was asked why had chosen his chief rivals for his official family, knowing each of them was still smarting from his loss. Lincoln's answer was simple and shrewd: We needed the strongest men of the party in the Cabinet. We needed to hold our own people together. I had looked the party over and concluded that these were the very strongest men. Then I had no right to deprive the country of their service. The decision to appoint his political enemies to his Cabinet was perhaps the most obvious example of his emotional strength. But there were many others, all of which highlighted a different aspect of it. EMPATHY Perhaps the most important of his emotional abilities was empathy--the gift of putting himself in the place of others, to experience what they were feeling, to understand their motives and desires. Even as a child, he was uncommonly tender-hearted. He once stopped and tracked back half a mile to rescue a pig caught in a mire--not because he loved the pig, recollected a friend, just to take a pain out of his own mind. As a young member of the state legislature, he was known for his insight into the opposition's strategy. Even after leaving the
