[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-23 Thread authfriend 
OK. I had the notion that your parallel tracks idea meant the two were more 
closely related in practice, one for men and one for women. I overinterpreted 
what you meant by "alongside."
 

 I've read my 10 free Telegraph articles for the month, BTW, so I can't read 
the obit until after Thanksgiving.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "The problem for the Catholic Church would be that the sacraments central 
to the religion and required for salvation couldn't be administered by 
priestesses.":

 

 Why not though? If the argument is that the priest has to play the role of 
stand-in for Jesus you might just as well say the priest should always be from 
the Jewish race as that a priest couldn't be a woman. 
 Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor 
free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." 
Sounds inclusive to me.
 

 But I have no interest in changing the Church. My point was that groups like 
the Fellowship of Isis provided a complementary alternative. One weekend you 
could go to church; the next weekend go and join a celebration of Isis. 
 

 The high priestess of the Fellowship of Isis, Olivia Robertson, invited people 
of all faiths to attend her rituals. Ironically there was some controversy that 
her funeral last Wednesday began with a private ceremony in the temple, 
organised by the fellowship, followed by a public Church of Ireland service at 
St Fiacc’s in Clonegal. Some Christians were alarmed that a heretic's life 
should be celebrated in a church.
 

 Obit from The Telegraph gives fair overview of the eccentric lady's life.
 http://tinyurl.com/o9nkjy4 http://tinyurl.com/o9nkjy4

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The problem for the Catholic Church would be that the sacraments central to 
the religion and required for salvation couldn't be administered by 
priestesses. Whatever ceremonies and practices they might devise would be 
extraneous, extra-salvational, as it were.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "women cannot be priests":
 

 Can I propose an alternative approach? What's wrong with women being 
*priestesses*?! That was the honourable title they were given in the pagan 
world of antiquity.
 

 It strikes me that the Christian churches are so male-oriented that trying to 
include female priests and bishops is really to try and include women who 
happen to imitate more or less successfully their male colleagues. Is that 
really desirable or feasible in an institution that for millennia has been 
dominated by a male ethos? Isn't it asking women to essentially conform to male 
values?
 

 But, on the other hand, do we really want to exclude women from having a 
central role in our religious life?
 

 Is their a solution to this dilemma? What about this: the Christian churches 
continue in having only male priests and bishops - and exclude women. That fits 
naturally with their historical story and avoids embarrassing admissions that 
they've been wrong for 2,000 years!
 

 But how about this: women develop their own religious ceremonies and practices 
outside the Christian dispensation but alongside the male bias of Christian 
churches and thus run in parallel - not as opponents but as adding a 
complementary aspect. I have in mind someone like Olivia Robertson, (who died 
last week!). She was an author, artist, co-founder and high priestess of the 
Fellowship of Isis, an international spiritual organisation devoted to 
promoting awareness of the feminine aspect of the divine. The Fellowship of 
Isis has thousands of members worldwide. Take  a peek here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Religion will stand for nothing if its foundational principles are that gay 
people are not permitted to marry, or that women cannot be priests, or other 
small-minded obsessions with sex and gender.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Little sheep that have lost their way, is all! Pretty soon Religion will stand 
for nothing.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually, more and more religionists are supporting gay marriage, exactly 
because they believe that to be against it would be contrary to the moral and 
ethical foundations of their religion.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Most Religions have lost contact with their essential source of knowledge, 
that is, pure intelligence, or Being as Consciousness.  As such, they are like 
ships with a damaged rudder, better than nothing but not very effective.
 

 Slowly, as ethical humanism takes over decaying Religion, the ethical and 
moral foundations of Religions will all be knocked slowly away (note gay 
marriage) by the intellectual elite who happen to be atheists.
 

 Life, without a guide, will disintegrate until a revival of knowledge and 
experience and *Religious Science*

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-22 Thread authfriend 
The Essenes weren't heretics. Some scholars believe Jesus himself was an 
Essene. Not a thing wrong with it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Share,
 

 I haven't heard of this idea before.  But I don't see anything wrong with Mary 
being an Essene, although it can't be proved conclusively.  Here's an article 
that discusses this subject:
 

 
http://korileefp.hubpages.com/hub/Historical-Perspective-on-the-Virgin-Mother-Mary
 
http://korileefp.hubpages.com/hub/Historical-Perspective-on-the-Virgin-Mother-Mary

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Some time ago I read a fascinating book explaining that both Mary and her 
mother Ann were Essenes. I bet the Church, especially after St. Paul, didn't 
want THAT to be revealed!

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-22 Thread sharelong60 
Some time ago I read a fascinating book explaining that both Mary and her 
mother Ann were Essenes. I bet the Church, especially after St. Paul, didn't 
want THAT to be revealed! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "Yes, the archetype being depicted may be the same.  But one is a true 
character in history and the other is a myth.":
 

 Yes, but Isis was there first! And "myth" is a loaded word. The stories told 
about Isis are intended to point to vital truths about our condition.
 

 Mary was a real human being and the mother of a famous rabbi - but all the 
veneration in which she is held didn't exist in the Early Church. As the 
Church's teaching sidelined the feminine it eventually became necessary to 
project onto the "character in history" attributes that had been assigned to 
mother goddesses across the ancient world.
 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  S3,
 

 Yes, the archetype being depicted may be the same.  But one is a true 
character in history and the other is a myth.  This is the reason why I made a 
post a few days ago about the world as a hologram.  IOW, a piece of our world 
whether real or imaginary/myth is a reflection of the absolute, not the 
archetype.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re " . . . the Blessed Virgin Mary . . . why bother with Isis":
 Because they are different expressions of the same Goddess archetype. A Google 
brings up this comparison:
 

 Isis was the most prominent female figure in ancient Egyptian religion. Mary 
is the most important female figure in Christianity. Isis had a son named 
Horus. Mary had a son named Jesus. When Horus was born, his father, Osirus, was 
already dead, which is very much like the birth of Jesus, fathered by the Holy 
Ghost. Both Isis and Mary are depicted in art as being maternal and holding 
their infant deities. Isis protected Horus from an evil uncle, which was much 
like Mary protecting Jesus from King Herod. Both Isis and Mary have primary 
roles in their respective religious movements as the eternal mother. “Lady of 
Light” is a title given to both Mary and Isis. The infant Horus was born as the 
god of light for Egypt, while Jesus is known as the light of the world. Isis 
has a solar disk of light over her head and Mary has a halo of light above her 
head. 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  S3,
 

 The Catholic Church already has a special place for the Blessed Virgin Mary.  
She is considered the Mother of God.  And she was assumed to Heaven body and 
soul.
 

 So, why bother with Isis who was a pagan goddess of myth?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "women cannot be priests":
 

 Can I propose an alternative approach? What's wrong with women being 
*priestesses*?! That was the honourable title they were given in the pagan 
world of antiquity.
 

 It strikes me that the Christian churches are so male-oriented that trying to 
include female priests and bishops is really to try and include women who 
happen to imitate more or less successfully their male colleagues. Is that 
really desirable or feasible in an institution that for millennia has been 
dominated by a male ethos? Isn't it asking women to essentially conform to male 
values?
 

 But, on the other hand, do we really want to exclude women from having a 
central role in our religious life?
 

 Is their a solution to this dilemma? What about this: the Christian churches 
continue in having only male priests and bishops - and exclude women. That fits 
naturally with their historical story and avoids embarrassing admissions that 
they've been wrong for 2,000 years!
 

 But how about this: women develop their own religious ceremonies and practices 
outside the Christian dispensation but alongside the male bias of Christian 
churches and thus run in parallel - not as opponents but as adding a 
complementary aspect. I have in mind someone like Olivia Robertson, (who died 
last week!). She was an author, artist, co-founder and high priestess of the 
Fellowship of Isis, an international spiritual organisation devoted to 
promoting awareness of the feminine aspect of the divine. The Fellowship of 
Isis has thousands of members worldwide. Take  a peek here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Religion will stand for nothing if its foundational principles are that gay 
people are not permitted to marry, or that women cannot be priests, or other 
small-minded obsessions with sex and gender.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Little sheep that have lost their way, is all! Pretty soon Religion will stand 
for nothing.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually, more and more religionists are supporting gay marriage, exactly 
because they believe that to be against it would be contrary to the moral and 
ethical foundations of their religion.
 

 ---In Fairfi

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-22 Thread jr_esq 
 S3,
 

 Yes, the archetype being depicted may be the same.  But one is a true 
character in history and the other is a myth.  This is the reason why I made a 
post a few days ago about the world as a hologram.  IOW, a piece of our world 
whether real or imaginary/myth is a reflection of the absolute, not the 
archetype.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re " . . . the Blessed Virgin Mary . . . why bother with Isis":
 Because they are different expressions of the same Goddess archetype. A Google 
brings up this comparison:
 

 Isis was the most prominent female figure in ancient Egyptian religion. Mary 
is the most important female figure in Christianity. Isis had a son named 
Horus. Mary had a son named Jesus. When Horus was born, his father, Osirus, was 
already dead, which is very much like the birth of Jesus, fathered by the Holy 
Ghost. Both Isis and Mary are depicted in art as being maternal and holding 
their infant deities. Isis protected Horus from an evil uncle, which was much 
like Mary protecting Jesus from King Herod. Both Isis and Mary have primary 
roles in their respective religious movements as the eternal mother. “Lady of 
Light” is a title given to both Mary and Isis. The infant Horus was born as the 
god of light for Egypt, while Jesus is known as the light of the world. Isis 
has a solar disk of light over her head and Mary has a halo of light above her 
head. 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  S3,
 

 The Catholic Church already has a special place for the Blessed Virgin Mary.  
She is considered the Mother of God.  And she was assumed to Heaven body and 
soul.
 

 So, why bother with Isis who was a pagan goddess of myth?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "women cannot be priests":
 

 Can I propose an alternative approach? What's wrong with women being 
*priestesses*?! That was the honourable title they were given in the pagan 
world of antiquity.
 

 It strikes me that the Christian churches are so male-oriented that trying to 
include female priests and bishops is really to try and include women who 
happen to imitate more or less successfully their male colleagues. Is that 
really desirable or feasible in an institution that for millennia has been 
dominated by a male ethos? Isn't it asking women to essentially conform to male 
values?
 

 But, on the other hand, do we really want to exclude women from having a 
central role in our religious life?
 

 Is their a solution to this dilemma? What about this: the Christian churches 
continue in having only male priests and bishops - and exclude women. That fits 
naturally with their historical story and avoids embarrassing admissions that 
they've been wrong for 2,000 years!
 

 But how about this: women develop their own religious ceremonies and practices 
outside the Christian dispensation but alongside the male bias of Christian 
churches and thus run in parallel - not as opponents but as adding a 
complementary aspect. I have in mind someone like Olivia Robertson, (who died 
last week!). She was an author, artist, co-founder and high priestess of the 
Fellowship of Isis, an international spiritual organisation devoted to 
promoting awareness of the feminine aspect of the divine. The Fellowship of 
Isis has thousands of members worldwide. Take  a peek here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Religion will stand for nothing if its foundational principles are that gay 
people are not permitted to marry, or that women cannot be priests, or other 
small-minded obsessions with sex and gender.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Little sheep that have lost their way, is all! Pretty soon Religion will stand 
for nothing.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually, more and more religionists are supporting gay marriage, exactly 
because they believe that to be against it would be contrary to the moral and 
ethical foundations of their religion.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Most Religions have lost contact with their essential source of knowledge, 
that is, pure intelligence, or Being as Consciousness.  As such, they are like 
ships with a damaged rudder, better than nothing but not very effective.
 

 Slowly, as ethical humanism takes over decaying Religion, the ethical and 
moral foundations of Religions will all be knocked slowly away (note gay 
marriage) by the intellectual elite who happen to be atheists.
 

 Life, without a guide, will disintegrate until a revival of knowledge and 
experience and *Religious Science*  replace moral relativism and ethical 
humanism.
 

 True knowledge of the true principles of living can never be totally lost...
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Ann,
 

 I believe the Catholic Church considers the role of women to be motherhood and 
not as patriarchs of the church.  The Church ma

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-21 Thread authfriend 
The problem for the Catholic Church would be that the sacraments central to the 
religion and required for salvation couldn't be administered by priestesses. 
Whatever ceremonies and practices they might devise would be extraneous, 
extra-salvational, as it were.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "women cannot be priests":
 

 Can I propose an alternative approach? What's wrong with women being 
*priestesses*?! That was the honourable title they were given in the pagan 
world of antiquity.
 

 It strikes me that the Christian churches are so male-oriented that trying to 
include female priests and bishops is really to try and include women who 
happen to imitate more or less successfully their male colleagues. Is that 
really desirable or feasible in an institution that for millennia has been 
dominated by a male ethos? Isn't it asking women to essentially conform to male 
values?
 

 But, on the other hand, do we really want to exclude women from having a 
central role in our religious life?
 

 Is their a solution to this dilemma? What about this: the Christian churches 
continue in having only male priests and bishops - and exclude women. That fits 
naturally with their historical story and avoids embarrassing admissions that 
they've been wrong for 2,000 years!
 

 But how about this: women develop their own religious ceremonies and practices 
outside the Christian dispensation but alongside the male bias of Christian 
churches and thus run in parallel - not as opponents but as adding a 
complementary aspect. I have in mind someone like Olivia Robertson, (who died 
last week!). She was an author, artist, co-founder and high priestess of the 
Fellowship of Isis, an international spiritual organisation devoted to 
promoting awareness of the feminine aspect of the divine. The Fellowship of 
Isis has thousands of members worldwide. Take  a peek here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Religion will stand for nothing if its foundational principles are that gay 
people are not permitted to marry, or that women cannot be priests, or other 
small-minded obsessions with sex and gender.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Little sheep that have lost their way, is all! Pretty soon Religion will stand 
for nothing.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually, more and more religionists are supporting gay marriage, exactly 
because they believe that to be against it would be contrary to the moral and 
ethical foundations of their religion.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Most Religions have lost contact with their essential source of knowledge, 
that is, pure intelligence, or Being as Consciousness.  As such, they are like 
ships with a damaged rudder, better than nothing but not very effective.
 

 Slowly, as ethical humanism takes over decaying Religion, the ethical and 
moral foundations of Religions will all be knocked slowly away (note gay 
marriage) by the intellectual elite who happen to be atheists.
 

 Life, without a guide, will disintegrate until a revival of knowledge and 
experience and *Religious Science*  replace moral relativism and ethical 
humanism.
 

 True knowledge of the true principles of living can never be totally lost...
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Ann,
 

 I believe the Catholic Church considers the role of women to be motherhood and 
not as patriarchs of the church.  The Church may change its stance depending on 
how well the female bishops in the other denominations are perceived by the 
general public.  Also, the Church may change depending on the quality of men 
that enter the seminary to become priests.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Probably not as long as men are running the show. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 This appears to be the trend among Protestant Christian churches.  But one 
wonders if the Catholic Church would ever accept women as priests. 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-21 Thread jr_esq 
 S3,
 

 The Catholic Church already has a special place for the Blessed Virgin Mary.  
She is considered the Mother of God.  And she was assumed to Heaven body and 
soul.
 

 So, why bother with Isis who was a pagan goddess of myth?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "women cannot be priests":
 

 Can I propose an alternative approach? What's wrong with women being 
*priestesses*?! That was the honourable title they were given in the pagan 
world of antiquity.
 

 It strikes me that the Christian churches are so male-oriented that trying to 
include female priests and bishops is really to try and include women who 
happen to imitate more or less successfully their male colleagues. Is that 
really desirable or feasible in an institution that for millennia has been 
dominated by a male ethos? Isn't it asking women to essentially conform to male 
values?
 

 But, on the other hand, do we really want to exclude women from having a 
central role in our religious life?
 

 Is their a solution to this dilemma? What about this: the Christian churches 
continue in having only male priests and bishops - and exclude women. That fits 
naturally with their historical story and avoids embarrassing admissions that 
they've been wrong for 2,000 years!
 

 But how about this: women develop their own religious ceremonies and practices 
outside the Christian dispensation but alongside the male bias of Christian 
churches and thus run in parallel - not as opponents but as adding a 
complementary aspect. I have in mind someone like Olivia Robertson, (who died 
last week!). She was an author, artist, co-founder and high priestess of the 
Fellowship of Isis, an international spiritual organisation devoted to 
promoting awareness of the feminine aspect of the divine. The Fellowship of 
Isis has thousands of members worldwide. Take  a peek here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PFYQOn4DI

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Religion will stand for nothing if its foundational principles are that gay 
people are not permitted to marry, or that women cannot be priests, or other 
small-minded obsessions with sex and gender.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Little sheep that have lost their way, is all! Pretty soon Religion will stand 
for nothing.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Actually, more and more religionists are supporting gay marriage, exactly 
because they believe that to be against it would be contrary to the moral and 
ethical foundations of their religion.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Most Religions have lost contact with their essential source of knowledge, 
that is, pure intelligence, or Being as Consciousness.  As such, they are like 
ships with a damaged rudder, better than nothing but not very effective.
 

 Slowly, as ethical humanism takes over decaying Religion, the ethical and 
moral foundations of Religions will all be knocked slowly away (note gay 
marriage) by the intellectual elite who happen to be atheists.
 

 Life, without a guide, will disintegrate until a revival of knowledge and 
experience and *Religious Science*  replace moral relativism and ethical 
humanism.
 

 True knowledge of the true principles of living can never be totally lost...
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Ann,
 

 I believe the Catholic Church considers the role of women to be motherhood and 
not as patriarchs of the church.  The Church may change its stance depending on 
how well the female bishops in the other denominations are perceived by the 
general public.  Also, the Church may change depending on the quality of men 
that enter the seminary to become priests.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Probably not as long as men are running the show. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 This appears to be the trend among Protestant Christian churches.  But one 
wonders if the Catholic Church would ever accept women as priests. 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-21 Thread wgm4u 
Most Religions have lost contact with their essential source of knowledge, that 
is, pure intelligence, or Being as Consciousness.  As such, they are like ships 
with a damaged rudder, better than nothing but not very effective.
 

 Slowly, as ethical humanism takes over decaying Religion, the ethical and 
moral foundations of Religions will all be knocked slowly away (note gay 
marriage) by the intellectual elite who happen to be atheists.
 

 Life, without a guide, will disintegrate until a revival of knowledge and 
experience and *Religious Science*  replace moral relativism and ethical 
humanism.
 

 True knowledge of the true principles of living can never be totally lost...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Ann,
 

 I believe the Catholic Church considers the role of women to be motherhood and 
not as patriarchs of the church.  The Church may change its stance depending on 
how well the female bishops in the other denominations are perceived by the 
general public.  Also, the Church may change depending on the quality of men 
that enter the seminary to become priests.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Probably not as long as men are running the show. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 This appears to be the trend among Protestant Christian churches.  But one 
wonders if the Catholic Church would ever accept women as priests. 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619228.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-21 Thread Richard J. Williams 
Barry claimed he read over 200 books on the Cathars but not a single 
book on the Gnostics. Go figure.


Cathars are derived from Bogumils; Bogomils are derived from Paulicans; 
Paulicans from Manicheans; Manicheans from Gnostics. Thus the Cathars 
are derived from Gnostics.


Barry apparently isn't aware of the Languedocian legend of the 'Queen of 
the South', (Reine du Midi), a title a countess of Toulosue, the 
'Protectrix', identified with the Syrian goddess Anath who in turn is 
closely linked with Isis and the bird-footed Lilith.


Yet another legend current in France is the Meridiana to whom was 
conveyed the secrets of alchemy to Gerbert d'Auriliac. The name 
Meridiana is derived from 'Mary-Diana' thus linking the Magdalene 
legends in the South of France. Lagudedoc was also home to the Knights 
Templers in Europe.


Stoyanov thinks that the one single local Langudocian notion in 
Catharism was the theology of the belief that Mary Magdalene was the 
concubine of Jesus - knowledge that was reserved for the inner circle of 
Cathars: "The teaching of Mary Magdalene as the 'wife or 'concubine' of 
Christ appears moreover, an original Cathar tradition which doesn not 
have any counterpart in Bogomil doctrines".


It is also worth noting that the date of the massacre at Beziers, 22 
July 1209, was St Mary Magdalene's Day or the Feast Day of Mary 
Magdalene. You'll probably also want to make a note of the fact that 
forty years previously the local lord Raymond Trencavel was slain inside 
the Church of Mary Magdalene at Beziers.


The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship 
between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. It's unlikely that the townsfolk would 
have access to the Gnostic Gospel, so how do we account for the presence 
of Magdalene legends at Beziers, Maxim, and Provencal? It must have been 
a powerful legend to cause the entire Inquisition to be formulated just 
to root them out. Catharism was the State religion of Languedoc.


Work cited:

'The Hidden Tradition in Europe: The Secret History of Medieval 
Christian Heresy'

by Yuri Stoyanov
Arkana, 1995
p. 222-223

Read more:

'The Templars and the Assassins'
by James Wasserman
Destiny, 2001

On 11/21/2013 2:10 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Barry,


According to Wikipedia, the Cathars were practicing a religion that 
was not part of the Roman Catholic doctrine.  In those days, religious 
differences were settled by war.



I'm curious to know if there are still secret sects who practice 
Catharism in southern France or elsewhere in Europe today.  Writers, 
like Dan Brown, could probably sell many books about this subject.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, wrote:


>
> Share,
>
> I believe it would take another Vatican Council to consider the

question of priesthood for women. This council will only happen if the
entire church leadership perceives that women can fill the priestly
duties that are needed in the parishes. If the supply of quality men
who want to be priests dwindles, the church leaders will have to
consider accepting women as priests.

I will merely interject an interesting (at least to me) point of
history. The Albigensian Crusade, more aptly named The Systematic
Extermination Of A Competing Christian Sect We're Going To Call
'Heretics' Because It Sounds Better Than 'We're Afraid Of Them', is
blamed by the majority of historians on the Cathars' rejection of
certain fundamental ideas of Roman dogma. They believed -- and practiced
-- 'heresy'. A more real reason is that the Cathar religion was growing
by leaps and bounds in the areas of Europe in which it had arisen, at a
time when many people were leaving the Roman Church and its coffers were
dwindling. Can't have that. So they called the Cathars 'heretics' and
eliminated the competition.

But one of the minor points of dogma that probably frightened the Roman
Church the most was that the Cathars exemplified almost total parity
between men and women. Women were allowed to hold property in their own
names, in the 1200s, in what is now the south of France. That didn't
happen officially in what is now France until De Gaulle.

Worse, the Cathar priesthood was open equally to men and women. There
were equal numbers of men and women priests. Really, really, really
can't have that. Just sayin'...


> ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
, sharelong60@ wrote:
>
> John, it's about time! As for the Catholic Church, I wonder who
would

protest more, the clergy in power or the conservative laity, including
nuns.

>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, jr_esq@ wrote:
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> This appears to be the trend among Protestant Christian churches.

But one wonders if the Catholic Church would ever accept women as
priests.

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>

http://news.yahoo.com/church

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Church of England Paves Way for Women Bishops in 2014

2013-11-21 Thread jr_esq 
 Barry, 
 

 According to Wikipedia, the Cathars were practicing a religion that was not 
part of the Roman Catholic doctrine.  In those days, religious differences were 
settled by war.
 

 I'm curious to know if there are still secret sects who practice Catharism in 
southern France or elsewhere in Europe today.  Writers, like Dan Brown, could 
probably sell many books about this subject.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 >
 > Share,
 >
 > I believe it would take another Vatican Council to consider the
 question of priesthood for women. This council will only happen if the
 entire church leadership perceives that women can fill the priestly
 duties that are needed in the parishes. If the supply of quality men
 who want to be priests dwindles, the church leaders will have to
 consider accepting women as priests.
 
 I will merely interject an interesting (at least to me) point of
 history. The Albigensian Crusade, more aptly named The Systematic
 Extermination Of A Competing Christian Sect We're Going To Call
 'Heretics' Because It Sounds Better Than 'We're Afraid Of Them', is
 blamed by the majority of historians on the Cathars' rejection of
 certain fundamental ideas of Roman dogma. They believed -- and practiced
 -- 'heresy'. A more real reason is that the Cathar religion was growing
 by leaps and bounds in the areas of Europe in which it had arisen, at a
 time when many people were leaving the Roman Church and its coffers were
 dwindling. Can't have that. So they called the Cathars 'heretics' and
 eliminated the competition.
 
 But one of the minor points of dogma that probably frightened the Roman
 Church the most was that the Cathars exemplified almost total parity
 between men and women. Women were allowed to hold property in their own
 names, in the 1200s, in what is now the south of France. That didn't
 happen officially in what is now France until De Gaulle.
 
 Worse, the Cathar priesthood was open equally to men and women. There
 were equal numbers of men and women priests. Really, really, really
 can't have that. Just sayin'...
 
 
 > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > sharelong60@ wrote:
 >
 > John, it's about time! As for the Catholic Church, I wonder who would
 protest more, the clergy in power or the conservative laity, including
 nuns.
 >
 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > jr_esq@ wrote:
 >
 > This appears to be the trend among Protestant Christian churches. 
 But one wonders if the Catholic Church would ever accept women as
 priests.
 >
 > 
 http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619\ 
http://news.yahoo.com/church-england-paves-way-women-bishops-2014-142619\
 228.html
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