[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, I appreciate out Being together on this. Regards, Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, I´m just cleaning the dust off my mirror. (an old analogy from MMY, where the mirror represents the nervous system, and the dust represents the ¨stresses¨.) * * Sweet, Dan! Me too... I like to call the dust our thought-waves or I-particles and clean them by accelerating and integrating them into blissful alignment with me, but it's all the same process, I suspect! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, I appreciate out Being together on this. Regards, Dan Thank you, Dan... I do love finding common-ground (Being) among us where (perhaps) none had seemed to Be! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, I´m just cleaning the dust off my mirror. (an old analogy from MMY, where the mirror represents the nervous system, and the dust represents the ¨stresses¨.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hmm! If it's OK with you, Dan, I really wouldn't want to label either mirror; that's the beautiful thing about a mirror (and the reality it symbolizes) -- it simply says Yes to whatever we place in front of it, and it reflects it beautifully, but that's not what it IS. I cannot say I even believe there really are such things as Absolute and Relative -- there only is That-which-IS, or only is US, and the ideas we superimpose on That US. On the other hand, if you enjoy making a (different) distinction, who am I to interfere? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: I think your mirrir is named Absolute and mine Relative. This takes us back to my initial comment: ¨We are all One but Different¨. My experiences (outside Transcendence) are filtered through those differences. We´ll meet someday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Now I believe that you´ve got it TWICE! Ha! I appreciate your appreciation, Dan -- perhaps it takes one to know one TWICE! And hey, why stop there? Two mirrors placed opposite each other will multiply the reflection into infinity! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, I´m just cleaning the dust off my mirror. (an old analogy from MMY, where the mirror represents the nervous system, and the dust represents the ¨stresses¨.) * * Sweet, Dan! Me too... I like to call the dust our thought-waves or I-particles and clean them by accelerating and integrating them into blissful alignment with me, but it's all the same process, I suspect! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, You got it. But you´re way ahead of me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: I am glad to hear it's an easy day in Morelia, Dan :-) OK, I see; thank you. Yes, I've found the insight can sometimes be really tricky to apply. Some of the most challenging people for me to love have been fundamentalist religious or political figures, and it generally wasn't until I admitted that I contained in myself at least the seeds of those horrific qualities I saw out there, that I was able to allow the flow of love again. As MMY says (I paraphrase), all love is from the Self to the Self, and if we don't see ourself out there or the other in here under those dramas we so love to superimpose, then it may be virtually impossible to love Us there or here :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Actually, it´s another lazy, easy day in Morelia, Mexico, so not much prepartaion was needed. But I am better prepared by what you wrote, in that I´ll be forearmed to meet up with challenging people, if I can apply your insight about how my heart is keeping difficult people distant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. * * Ha! Any time, Dan ... Better prepared how, and to do what, if I may ask?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Sorry for the delayed response, it´s that I wrote my Reply yesterday, but the Internet ate it up before those packets could be Posted. The decision to come here turns out to be the right one for my wife and me. We´ve been having wonderful weeks here. Last night we were in the Center of Morelia when Mexico won the World Cup under 17. The celebrations were fantastic! The previous evening were spent at the home of the owner of the hotel and his wife. Some Important French Family with a fascinating history. Their art collection (including portraits of his anscestors, and of every Pope AND artifacts from every continent) was beautiful. We, for sure, would not had these experiences had we been more cautiuous with out travel plans. That said, it is a risk v reward kind of decision. My previous, unsussefully Posted Reply, described the decision process that we undertook. We just lean this way (our trips to Burma and Egypt, had similar elements of risk/reward, and were equally rewarding), but everyone leans their own way and has their individual bent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Dan, you seem like a pretty level headed guy. Tell me where I am mistaken in my perception. I don't know if under any circumstances, I would set foot in Mexico. All the places I used to hear about where people would vacation seem to now have killings going on. What made you choose Mexico as a place to go to on vacation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). * * I can certainly understand that, Dan, and it makes a lot of sense. It appears to me that our Heart has an amazing integrity, and will not unite with anything that appears to be less than perfect to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, You got it. But you´re way ahead of me. * * Ha! I appreciate the thought, Dan, but IMO that's not really possible, as it seems fundamentally there's only one of Us, and the state of our me depends on you as much as on anyone else -- and if you see aheadness in me, it's your aheadness anyhow! As mentioned, it seems these maya-mirrors can get very tricky :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Now I believe that you´ve got it TWICE! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mleroygoffiv rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, You got it. But you´re way ahead of me. * * Ha! I appreciate the thought, Dan, but IMO that's not really possible, as it seems fundamentally there's only one of Us, and the state of our me depends on you as much as on anyone else -- and if you see aheadness in me, it's your aheadness anyhow! As mentioned, it seems these maya-mirrors can get very tricky :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Now I believe that you´ve got it TWICE! Ha! I appreciate your appreciation, Dan -- perhaps it takes one to know one TWICE! And hey, why stop there? Two mirrors placed opposite each other will multiply the reflection into infinity! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
I think your mirrir is named Absolute and mine Relative. This takes us back to my initial comment: ¨We are all One but Different¨. My experiences (outside Transcendence) are filtered through those differences. We´ll meet someday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Now I believe that you´ve got it TWICE! Ha! I appreciate your appreciation, Dan -- perhaps it takes one to know one TWICE! And hey, why stop there? Two mirrors placed opposite each other will multiply the reflection into infinity! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Hmm! If it's OK with you, Dan, I really wouldn't want to label either mirror; that's the beautiful thing about a mirror (and the reality it symbolizes) -- it simply says Yes to whatever we place in front of it, and it reflects it beautifully, but that's not what it IS. I cannot say I even believe there really are such things as Absolute and Relative -- there only is That-which-IS, or only is US, and the ideas we superimpose on That US. On the other hand, if you enjoy making a (different) distinction, who am I to interfere? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: I think your mirrir is named Absolute and mine Relative. This takes us back to my initial comment: ¨We are all One but Different¨. My experiences (outside Transcendence) are filtered through those differences. We´ll meet someday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Now I believe that you´ve got it TWICE! Ha! I appreciate your appreciation, Dan -- perhaps it takes one to know one TWICE! And hey, why stop there? Two mirrors placed opposite each other will multiply the reflection into infinity! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Neat. Thanks for the reply. We all play the risk/reward equation in different ways. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Sorry for the delayed response, it´s that I wrote my Reply yesterday, but the Internet ate it up before those packets could be Posted. The decision to come here turns out to be the right one for my wife and me. We´ve been having wonderful weeks here. Last night we were in the Center of Morelia when Mexico won the World Cup under 17. The celebrations were fantastic! The previous evening were spent at the home of the owner of the hotel and his wife. Some Important French Family with a fascinating history. Their art collection (including portraits of his anscestors, and of every Pope AND artifacts from every continent) was beautiful. We, for sure, would not had these experiences had we been more cautiuous with out travel plans. That said, it is a risk v reward kind of decision. My previous, unsussefully Posted Reply, described the decision process that we undertook. We just lean this way (our trips to Burma and Egypt, had similar elements of risk/reward, and were equally rewarding), but everyone leans their own way and has their individual bent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Dan, you seem like a pretty level headed guy. Tell me where I am mistaken in my perception. I don't know if under any circumstances, I would set foot in Mexico. All the places I used to hear about where people would vacation seem to now have killings going on. What made you choose Mexico as a place to go to on vacation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). * * I can certainly understand that, Dan, and it makes a lot of sense. It appears to me that our Heart has an amazing integrity, and will not unite with anything that appears to be less than perfect to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). * * I can certainly understand that, Dan, and it makes a lot of sense. It appears to me that our Heart has an amazing integrity, and will not unite with anything that appears to be less than perfect to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Dan, you seem like a pretty level headed guy. Tell me where I am mistaken in my perception. I don't know if under any circumstances, I would set foot in Mexico. All the places I used to hear about where people would vacation seem to now have killings going on. What made you choose Mexico as a place to go to on vacation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). * * I can certainly understand that, Dan, and it makes a lot of sense. It appears to me that our Heart has an amazing integrity, and will not unite with anything that appears to be less than perfect to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. * * Ha! Any time, Dan ... Better prepared how, and to do what, if I may ask?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Actually, it´s another lazy, easy day in Morelia, Mexico, so not much prepartaion was needed. But I am better prepared by what you wrote, in that I´ll be forearmed to meet up with challenging people, if I can apply your insight about how my heart is keeping difficult people distant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. * * Ha! Any time, Dan ... Better prepared how, and to do what, if I may ask?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
I am glad to hear it's an easy day in Morelia, Dan :-) OK, I see; thank you. Yes, I've found the insight can sometimes be really tricky to apply. Some of the most challenging people for me to love have been fundamentalist religious or political figures, and it generally wasn't until I admitted that I contained in myself at least the seeds of those horrific qualities I saw out there, that I was able to allow the flow of love again. As MMY says (I paraphrase), all love is from the Self to the Self, and if we don't see ourself out there or the other in here under those dramas we so love to superimpose, then it may be virtually impossible to love Us there or here :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Actually, it´s another lazy, easy day in Morelia, Mexico, so not much prepartaion was needed. But I am better prepared by what you wrote, in that I´ll be forearmed to meet up with challenging people, if I can apply your insight about how my heart is keeping difficult people distant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, Thanks for the deep insight. Now I can set out today better prepared. * * Ha! Any time, Dan ... Better prepared how, and to do what, if I may ask?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, I don´t see it that way. We certainly have opposing views on ¨troublemakers, difficult people, and the like¨. * * OK :-) Not only do we differ philisophically on this point, but I certainly don´t blame myself for the mischief of others. * * I don't blame myself either, Dan, or anyone else, for that matter. I do try to take full responsibility for everything that arises in my awareness, i.e., my own I-particles or thought-waves, but there is certainly no blame involved. If anything, I sometimes ask their forgiveness for having unconsciously created them the way they are... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, Perhaps you have identified the main difference between your and my awareness. You don´t see that difference, but I do. My awareness remains separate (especially from mischiefmakers). * * I can certainly understand that, Dan, and it makes a lot of sense. It appears to me that our Heart has an amazing integrity, and will not unite with anything that appears to be less than perfect to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, I don´t see it that way. We certainly have opposing views on ¨troublemakers, difficult people, and the like¨. Not only do we differ philisophically on this point, but I certainly don´t blame myself for the mischief of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, I agree that we are all One, but different. Ha! Yes, Dan, can't argue with that! I was just trying to point out that if someone out there disturbs us, it's really not out there at all, but our own thoughts in here that are doing the disturbing :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, I don´t see it that way. We certainly have opposing views on ¨troublemakers, difficult people, and the like¨. * * OK :-) Not only do we differ philisophically on this point, but I certainly don´t blame myself for the mischief of others. * * I don't blame myself either, Dan, or anyone else, for that matter. I do try to take full responsibility for everything that arises in my awareness, i.e., my own I-particles or thought-waves, but there is certainly no blame involved. If anything, I sometimes ask their forgiveness for having unconsciously created them the way they are... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, I agree that we are all One, but different. Ha! Yes, Dan, can't argue with that! I was just trying to point out that if someone out there disturbs us, it's really not out there at all, but our own thoughts in here that are doing the disturbing :-)
