[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.htm l That is like saying because a baby crawls, it is an impediment to walking. Acceptance of Absolute Self is a stage, Vaj, leading to full integration of life. That's why Maharishi has for decades referred to fulfillment as 200 percent of life, something every meditator understands. It is part of the intro lecture for goodness sakes. I am glad Uma's dad is at least thinking about it. It would be better if he did TM though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.htm l That is like saying because a baby crawls, it is an impediment to walking. Acceptance of Absolute Self is a stage, Vaj, leading to full integration of life. That's why Maharishi has for decades referred to fulfillment as 200 percent of life, something every meditator understands. It is part of the intro lecture for goodness sakes. I am glad Uma's dad is at least thinking about it. It would be better if he did TM though. I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.h tm l That is like saying because a baby crawls, it is an impediment to walking. Acceptance of Absolute Self is a stage, Vaj, leading to full integration of life. That's why Maharishi has for decades referred to fulfillment as 200 percent of life, something every meditator understands. It is part of the intro lecture for goodness sakes. I am glad Uma's dad is at least thinking about it. It would be better if he did TM though. I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. I had responded first just to what Vaj had written. Now that I listen to Bob, he is clearly speaking abou the ego and is confusing it with the Absolute. Some lack of integration or something...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Excusively?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) It doesn't look like a typo now that I notice it, what is the significance to you of spelling Vaj 'VAj'?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) But of course, this is not what His Bobness was referring to... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) But of course, this is not what His Bobness was referring to... :-) Correctthink I'll pass. :-) P.S. Still a long ways to go to get a drink of water, no matter how you crack it. Atman has Sanskrit origins with a specific meaning, I think I'll stick with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) It doesn't look like a typo now that I notice it, what is the significance to you of spelling Vaj 'VAj'? It has subliminal meanings that I can't reveal here, especially since Judy may be monitoring this message, and you know how that goes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) But of course, this is not what His Bobness was referring to... :-) Correctthink I'll pass. :-) P.S. Still a long ways to go to get a drink of water, no matter how you crack it. Atman has Sanskrit origins with a specific meaning, I think I'll stick with that. Yes, a Hindu caped guy in spandex with a Ampersand on his chest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: I think VAj is a little mixed up, perhaps 'Bob' is too, he's trying to talk about the pseudo-soul or the ego. The Atman is the *Reality* and the *EGO* (sense created identity) is the illusion (or Bob). The Atman is NOT empty but pure bliss, Sat-chit-ananda. Whew, talk about beating around the bush to get a drink of water. Did you bother to watch the video? Of course to some Buddhists, the Atman is not real. That's the problem. But I'd rather talk about the video rather than get caught on the tangent of anatman and how Atman causes ignorance to arise (may I recommend a Gelukpa monastery if you want to argue that and have some fun). The idea of 200% is actually a Buddhist idea. Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) It doesn't look like a typo now that I notice it, what is the significance to you of spelling Vaj 'VAj'? It has subliminal meanings that I can't reveal here, especially since Judy may be monitoring this message, and you know how that goes all right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is. Ole Bob knows what the Self isn't though...come on!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:44 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/ peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is. Or he does and decided it was just an interdependent arising illusion... What was it M. said, the ego expanding to infinity? Sounds like what he's sayin'. Getoverit already!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Some Mahayana Buddhist sutras and a number of Buddhist tantras, however, strongly insist upon the ultimate Reality of the Atman when it is equated with the essential and eternal being of the Buddha (Wikipedia)...I think I'll pass on this one VAj, it seems a bit of a conundrum! At least it appears 'you're' not mixed up. :-) But of course, this is not what His Bobness was referring to... :-) Correctthink I'll pass. :-) P.S. Still a long ways to go to get a drink of water, no matter how you crack it. Atman has Sanskrit origins with a specific meaning, I think I'll stick with that. Yes, a Hindu caped guy in spandex with a Ampersand on his chest. I can see it now: Dr. Jai Maharaj deconstructing Atman at Hindu temples across the country, in the style of Weinstein Simcha, the author of _Up, up and Oy Vey!_ http://www.rabbisimcha.com/pages/book.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: I can see it now: Dr. Jai Maharaj deconstructing Atman at Hindu temples across the country, in the style of Weinstein Simcha, the author of _Up, up and Oy Vey!_ http://www.rabbisimcha.com/pages/book.html Oy. Cute, But did you watch the video?...no, like most radical Tmers you avoided the off-the-program content like the plague lest they be contaminated...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:44 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/ peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is. Or he does and decided it was just an interdependent arising illusion... What was it M. said, the ego expanding to infinity? Sounds like what he's sayin'. Getoverit already! Self during TM is when the thalimus stops sending sensory info to the rest of the brain and stops recycling info from the brain back into the sensory centers of the brain. How is THAT an illusion?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: I can see it now: Dr. Jai Maharaj deconstructing Atman at Hindu temples across the country, in the style of Weinstein Simcha, the author of _Up, up and Oy Vey!_ http://www.rabbisimcha.com/pages/book.html Oy. Cute, But did you watch the video?...no, like most radical Tmers you avoided the off-the-program content like the plague lest they be contaminated... I was referring to your description of the Atman superhero.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: I can see it now: Dr. Jai Maharaj deconstructing Atman at Hindu temples across the country, in the style of Weinstein Simcha, the author of _Up, up and Oy Vey!_ http://www.rabbisimcha.com/pages/book.html Oy. Cute, But did you watch the video?...no, like most radical Tmers you avoided the off-the-program content like the plague lest they be contaminated... Hey Barry, here's one for the TM critics file. Its a start, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Self, Atman, as Absolute Ego
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:44 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Interesting talk on Peace where the acceptance of Absolute Self (Atman) is an impediment to accepting our connection to the World. Absolute Self is empty and devoid of Self-nature. Realization of Absolutized identity-habit as the only enemy. http://fyminc.typepad.com/bob_thurman_podcast/2007/03/ peace_video_7.html Someone who doesn't know what Self is. Or he does and decided it was just an interdependent arising illusion... What was it M. said, the ego expanding to infinity? Sounds like what he's sayin'. Getoverit already! Self during TM is when the thalimus stops sending sensory info to the rest of the brain and stops recycling info from the brain back into the sensory centers of the brain. How is THAT an illusion? er, should read: Self during TM is when the thalimus stops sending sensory info to the rest of the brain and stops recycling info from the brain back into the sensory centers of the brain, ***yet the brain still remains in an alert mode***.
