[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. Uh, no. But there are 9 of 'em, according to a British judge. Uh, no. From Times OnlineOctober 10, 2007 Al Gore told there are nine inconvienient truths in his film Not everything Al Gore says in his documentary is a proven fact Nico Hines A High Court judge today ruled that An Inconvenient Truth can be distributed to every school in the country but only if it comes with a note explaining nine scientific errors in Al Gore's Oscar- winning film. Uh, no. Most of the media got this wrong. Fortunately there are excellent resources on the Web that explain the media's errors (and some of the judge's as well): http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing .php http://tinyurl.com/ywmd94 http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient- untruths/ http://tinyurl.com/39xjrn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex wrote: Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l Again, fortunately, the Web is an excellent resource for information about this meteorologist, William Gray, and the validity of his claims: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/gray-on-agw/ http://tinyurl.com/rjwws http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive? month=10year=2007base_name=gray_areas#022456 http://tinyurl.com/2uo58c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. Uh, no. But there are 9 of 'em, according to a British judge. Uh, no. From Times OnlineOctober 10, 2007 Al Gore told there are nine inconvienient truths in his film Not everything Al Gore says in his documentary is a proven fact Nico Hines A High Court judge today ruled that An Inconvenient Truth can be distributed to every school in the country but only if it comes with a note explaining nine scientific errors in Al Gore's Oscar- winning film. Uh, no. Most of the media got this wrong. Tell me, Judith, why are you always so eager to tell us that Gore ISN'T wrong? Gore, you, Leonardo di Caprio, et. al. should be on their hands and knees hoping and praying that they are wrong. Because if you and they are wrong, that would mean that the planet would be saved from incredible horrors, death, and suffering. But no. You go out of your way to solidify the catastrophic man-made global- warming position and this is, simply, illogical. You are extremely disappointed and unhappy whenever there is the slightest suggestion that the horrors of this position will not be visited upon us. May I suggest you don't give a shit one way or the other about either global warming or the millions that would suffer if Gore's proposals would ever be implemented. Fortunately there are excellent resources on the Web that explain the media's errors (and some of the judge's as well): http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing .php http://tinyurl.com/ywmd94 http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient- untruths/ http://tinyurl.com/39xjrn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l Again, fortunately, the Web is an excellent resource for information about this meteorologist, William Gray, and the validity of his claims: The Web is an excellent resource for supporting the ramblings of all sorts of tyrants...does that make it right? http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/gray-on-agw/ http://tinyurl.com/rjwws http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive? month=10year=2007base_name=gray_areas#022456 http://tinyurl.com/2uo58c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Gore, you, Leonardo di Caprio, et. al. should be on their hands and knees hoping and praying that they are wrong. We're not Muslims, Shemp. Why would we be praying on our hands and knees? snip May I suggest you don't give a shit one way or the other about either global warming or the millions that would suffer if Gore's proposals would ever be implemented. You may suggest any damn fool thing you like, and frequently do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 7:07:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ...and where, pray tell, is that list of thousands? And don't tell me the IPCC because they aren't all scientists (unlike the Oregon Petition in which they WERE all scientists). The IPCC isn't all scientists but at least 2000 scientists are contributers to it's climate change reports.
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In a message dated 10/16/07 1:40:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree, and would like to add that it’s a shame we’re spending billions on a war in a dubious attempt to safeguard our supply of oil when that same money, if put into alternative energy RD, could free us from the temptation of such wars and our reliance on environmentally destructive energy sources. We need a Kennedy-style alternative energy moon race Having all the free energy in the world would be useless if we couldn't use it freely. The war isn't just to protect oil reserves in the middle east. It goes a little deeper than that. We could poor trillions into an alternative energy research program and still not come up with anything better than we have now and in the end have another Bill Gates type person make the big break through in his garage using his own money. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 10/16/07 1:47:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know several folks/families who live off the grid and use solar. Once I house sat for a couple in their 2500 square foot log home and they had a huge capacity washer/dryer, ac, appliances, lights, garage door opener, etc. -- the whole works -- and although they had a back- up gas generator, they said they could go for 9 days with no sun at all, using all their appliances as per usual, before they'd have to turn the generator on. My former spouse installed solar panels on her home in Davis last year and I don't believe she's had to pay anything to PGE yet, but has received payments from them every month for the excess electricity she sells back to the grid. From anecdotal reports it seems that we do have the technology now, but costs are a crucial factor in the initial switch to solar. Well it seems to me that every knew home built would be equipped with solar panels in that case. It definitely would be a selling feature for houses. But then maybe there is a conspiracy among builders and energy companies, you know kind of like the one between Big Oil and Big Auto. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 10/16/07 1:57:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the cost of the Iraq war, America with its 10,000 small towns, could have spent $50,000,000 in each one to set up solar, hydrogen, biofuel stations or windfarms. 50 million bucks for Fairfield alone. Get it? Does anyone doubt that half a trillion dollars spent on anything would getter done? Cancer cure anyone? I heard that the ENTIRE WORLD COULD BE GIVEN CLEAN DRINKING WATER, ELECTRIFICATION for a mere $75,000,000,ELEC This is the true evil of Bushco. Edg Better yet, Everybody could have *free health care* and *free housing* and *free legal care*! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 10/16/07 9:57:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And speaking of global warming, remember that the IPCC said that the #1 cause of global warming was not tailpipes (your term from below) but cowpipes: farting and belching from livestock. If people stopped eating meat tomorrow, we could,literally, eliminate 99% of the #1 cause of global warming overnight. All cattle slaughtered. All chickens, lambs, etc. No more farting, no more belching. U, problem is, if I have to become vegetarian again and eat more grains and legumes then I will be the one farting instead of the cows! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 1:47:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know several folks/families who live off the grid and use solar. Once I house sat for a couple in their 2500 square foot log home and they had a huge capacity washer/dryer, ac, appliances, lights, garage door opener, etc. -- the whole works -- and although they had a back- up gas generator, they said they could go for 9 days with no sun at all, using all their appliances as per usual, before they'd have to turn the generator on. My former spouse installed solar panels on her home in Davis last year and I don't believe she's had to pay anything to PGE yet, but has received payments from them every month for the excess electricity she sells back to the grid. From anecdotal reports it seems that we do have the technology now, but costs are a crucial factor in the initial switch to solar. Well it seems to me that every knew home built would be equipped with solar panels in that case. It definitely would be a selling feature for houses. But then maybe there is a conspiracy among builders and energy companies, you know kind of like the one between Big Oil and Big Auto. Yeah, that Big Oil/big Auto conspiracy to build big cars that guzzled gas worked out really well for the Detroit Big Three, didn't it. Almost put them out of business in the '70s. It certainly enabled the Japanese to be in the position they are today in which their better, more efficient smaller cars now dominate the market. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gore Derangement Syndrome: http://tinyurl.com/297p42 Indeed: [It was] noted on the first few minutes of Fox News Sunday yesterday just how angry the conservative Republicans were about Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Bill Kristol disparaged Gore and the Nobel prize itself, saying it's a prize given by bloviators to a bloviator. Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush, and that's why [Gore] won it. These pundits were obviously bitter, much the same way National Review's Iain Murray was late last week, when he suggested Gore share his award with Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore's stance in a September video harangue. (Apparently, to accept global warming is to embrace a terrorist philosophy.) It led Paul Krugman to ask a good question: What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane? The headline on Krugman's piece is entirely appropriate: Gore Derangement Syndrome. The whole derangement syndrome phenomenon stems from an increasingly common problem when contempt for a leader strays from simple political opposition to irrational, reflexive antagonism. If so-and-so says day, I'll say night, even if the sun is shining. It's more important to fight the perceived opponent than to make sense. And for far too long, that's exactly how the right has approached Gore and the science on global warming. The evidence must be wrong, because Gore believes it. The Nobel Peace Prize must be worthless, because Gore won it. These aren't arguments. They're sad and nonsensical temper-tantrums. Read Krugman's piece here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?ref=opinion Other links here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/15/krugman-gore-drives-right-wingers-insane/
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In a message dated 10/16/07 7:07:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 7:07:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do.
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In a message dated 10/16/07 9:15:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. _Messages in this topic _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151774;_ylc=X3oDMTM4amw0YXI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMx NzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQwNTEEdH BjSWQDMTUxNzc0) (0) _Reply (via web post) _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYXRkM2ltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc 3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQ wNTE-?act=replymessageNum=151812) | _Start _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN3BuMzBnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3 Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE5MjU0NDA1MQ--) Well obviously those *thousands* weren't of much help to Al concerning those nine points. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Gore's encapsulation is merely a POV which can be sniped at, but everyone on the planet knows about pollution, cuz it's right there in their faces -- thousands and thousands of chemical-disaster-zones leeching poisons into aquifers for example -- only one of literally millions of kinds of polution. Completely undeniable -- I can take any global warming naysayer to a industrial-graveyard and point to it, and that naysayer will say, Yuck. Clean this danger up! If Gore is to be successful, all the pollution will have to be cleaned up -- not just the carbon of smoke stacks and tailpipes. I once was driving in the desert. Miles of straight, flat highway and not a car in sight. But I smelled diesel fumes. Finally after about 20 minutes, I saw way way ahead of me a semi belching smoke. I was astounded that my nose had seen farther than my eyes. Now, what DON'T I SMELL? Answer: everything. In the desert, one smell was easily sensed, but in every city in the world, factories are pouring out the crud and our noses are overwhelmed into a false non-smelling-ness. This is a huge problem. Has been since the start of the industrial revolution. Only Gore has found a popular theme that has grabbed the minds of the masses. So, I'm all for Gore even if sometimes he can be proven by you to be an inconvenience. Below's an earlier post I wrote to Shemp. I talk about another car ride therein. You should read it too. Edg Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, You continue to write as if the corporate world is not dumping toxins anywhere they damned well please. Could you just do me a favor and google pollution and see if you can read even five minutes before you puke. You seem -- SEEM -- to believe that the industrial revolution's pollution has been insignificant -- socially, environmentally, financially, psychologically, and spiritually. Am I right about that or am I getting a completely wrong take on you? Shemp, listen to me. Once, I drove in a car for over an hour in Indonesia along a canal. Next to that canal, for an hour's drive remember, was every manner of cardboard-shack housing imaginable, and that canal was where they got their water, washed and dumped their filth. Toddlers playing in muck, old women over tiny fires with rusted pots, and blight in all directions. The smell alone would knock you to your knees, Shemp. I don't know how many people I passed that hour, but it was in the tens or even hundreds of thousands. All living in squalor of such hideousness that the entire Indonesian government should be hung for crimes against humanity. Hung without due process, without a trial -- this village of the damned was prima facie evidence that would have any jury making up their minds and voting for the death penalty while walking to the juryroom. That, Shemp, is the true face of the industrial revolution, and it's been going on without end since it started. It's not just about airborne soot from China, it's about the human misery we're all turning a blind eye towards. Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, what don't you understand about black lung disease, sweat shops, migrant labor, apartheid, Darfur cleansings, World War II Japanese internment camps in California, fixed elections, gerrymandering, elitism, fascism, Big Brother, and the Dresden Firebombing? The fact that global warming may or may not be connected to this pollution is not the issue -- it is merely a cause célèbre, a calling to arms, a rallying flag for the Greens who see pollution and globalism and human rights as the core issues -- not saving water front properties in Florida from the ocean rising 20 feet due to, you know, all of Antarctica melting. Shemp, you seem to be on the side of the bad guys. Say it ain't so. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 9:15:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. _Messages in this topic _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151774;_ylc=X3oDMTM4amw0YXI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMx NzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQwNTEEdH BjSWQDMTUxNzc0) (0) _Reply (via web post) _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYXRkM2ltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc 3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQ wNTE-?act=replymessageNum=151812) | _Start _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN3BuMzBnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: *SPAM* [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Ironically, air pollution is actually keeping a cap on global warming, making it seem less severe than it is. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ and HYPERLINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimminghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gl obal_dimming. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 9:15:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. _Messages in this topic _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/151774;_ylc=X3oDMTM4amw0YXI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMx NzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQwNTEEdH BjSWQDMTUxNzc0) (0) _Reply (via web post) _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYXRkM2ltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc 3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzE1MTgxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExOTI1NDQ wNTE-?act=replymessageNum=151812) | _Start _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN3BuMzBnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3 Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE5MjU0NDA1MQ--) Well obviously those *thousands* weren't of much help to Al concerning those nine points. And those weak and debatable nine points certainly did nothing to invalidate the massive body of evidence of global warming. Rather they are apparently handy straws to grasp for desperate wingnut global warming deniers who hate factual reality when it offends their fantasy ideology. -The mistakes identified mainly deal with the predicted impacts of climate change, and include Mr Gore's claims that a sea-level rise of up to 20ft would be caused by melting in either west Antarctica or Greenland in the near future. The judge said: This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore's 'wake-up call'. He accepted that melting of the ice would release this amount of water - but only after, and over, millennia. Despite his finding of significant errors, Mr Justice Barton said many of the claims made by the film were supported by the weight of scientific evidence and he identified four main hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change].- http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/oct/11/climatechange
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
In a message dated 10/16/07 10:07:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Hey, I'm all for cleaning up any toxic waste. I breath the same air, drink the same water and eat the same foods you do. But let me ask you, have you ever traveled outside the United States or Western Europe? If you have ever been to countries like India, Mexico, or China, you would think of down town L.A. as being virtually *smog free* . I only mention these three countries because I've been to India and Mexico and have friends who have been to China and our experience is that our pollution problems are miniscule compared to those in those countries, yet our industries and use of fossil fuels is far greater. I guess what really annoys me is that the very same people that complain the loudest seem to be the same ones that stand in the way of ideas and solutions that could help remedy the problems. Example, nuclear power plants to generate electricity are fought tooth and nail as are wind turbines off Nantucket. The people willing to invest in these things eventually give up because the legal battles involved in getting it done, add too much to the initial cost of start up. Meanwhile, we keep burning coal to get what could have been generated very cleanly and cheaply. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
Mdix, I've been to 14 countries, and each had its abandoned yards with piled up 55 gallon drums of yuck. In Majorca, on my teacher training course, I snuck off to the local village about ten miles away, and I could hardly breath just because so many wood fires were burning in individual homes. This was 1971 modern Spain, but the air was actually foggy with smoke. Reminded me of Saturday mornings when everyone in the burb gets out their lawn mower and beclouds the neighborhood with a Briggs and Stratton pollution machine. But, a natural smoke of a wood stove is noxious enough, but the puking of industry today just cannot be considered quite so quaint. America's pollution is not just a lot of campfires. The sheer number of different chemicals that nature never made that are poured into our biosphere where they interact in unknown, unstudied ways is a far more egregious effluence. So, yes, I think third-world use of wood and high sulfur coal/oil is horrid, and 25% of L.A. smog is Chinese soot, but our 30,000 (some say 300,000) officially designated toxic dump sites, exude a brew of terrifyingly virility, and the grandfathering of so many industrial processes that are not subject to pollution laws leads me to believe that America's pollution is a deeper shade of vile. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 10:07:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Hey, I'm all for cleaning up any toxic waste. I breath the same air, drink the same water and eat the same foods you do. But let me ask you, have you ever traveled outside the United States or Western Europe? If you have ever been to countries like India, Mexico, or China, you would think of down town L.A. as being virtually *smog free* . I only mention these three countries because I've been to India and Mexico and have friends who have been to China and our experience is that our pollution problems are miniscule compared to those in those countries, yet our industries and use of fossil fuels is far greater. I guess what really annoys me is that the very same people that complain the loudest seem to be the same ones that stand in the way of ideas and solutions that could help remedy the problems. Example, nuclear power plants to generate electricity are fought tooth and nail as are wind turbines off Nantucket. The people willing to invest in these things eventually give up because the legal battles involved in getting it done, add too much to the initial cost of start up. Meanwhile, we keep burning coal to get what could have been generated very cleanly and cheaply. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors In a message dated 10/16/07 10:07:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Hey, I'm all for cleaning up any toxic waste. I breath the same air, drink the same water and eat the same foods you do. But let me ask you, have you ever traveled outside the United States or Western Europe? If you have ever been to countries like India, Mexico, or China, you would think of down town L.A. as being virtually *smog free* . I only mention these three countries because I've been to India and Mexico and have friends who have been to China and our experience is that our pollution problems are miniscule compared to those in those countries, yet our industries and use of fossil fuels is far greater. It’s Spaceship Earth, dude. Ultimately, we all breathe the same air. I guess what really annoys me is that the very same people that complain the loudest seem to be the same ones that stand in the way of ideas and solutions that could help remedy the problems. Example, nuclear power plants to generate electricity are fought tooth and nail They should be because there’s no way of disposing of the waste. And even if we built enough large reactors (10,000) to replace oil, we’d run out of uranium in 10 years, and have huge amounts of waste on hand with a half-life of 10’s of thousands of years. as are wind turbines off Nantucket. They shouldn’t be (IMO). Ted Kennedy and others are hypocrites for opposing them. The people willing to invest in these things eventually give up because the legal battles involved in getting it done, add too much to the initial cost of start up. Meanwhile, we keep burning coal to get what could have been generated very cleanly and cheaply. From my novice perspective, it seems like solar is the way to go. Cover an area half the size of California (i.e., all the rooftops in America) with solar panels and you supply all the nation’s energy needs. If this were to be undertaken, the ramped up research and economies of scale would make it a lot cheaper than it first appears. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM
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In a message dated 10/16/07 12:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my novice perspective, it seems like solar is the way to go. Cover an area half the size of California (i.e., all the rooftops in America) with solar panels and you supply all the nation’s energy needs. If this were to be undertaken, the ramped up research and economies of scale would make it a lot cheaper than it first appears. Rick, from what I know about photovoltaic electricity, we aren't quite there with the technology. I know a person that sells solar panels and he outfitted his house with them and he told me he can run some lights and small appliances on them but something major like an air conditioning system is out of the question. As the British Petroleum commercials say *there won't be one solution, but many*. While one solution may not be the answer to all the problems, it may have it's niche in the big picture, even if only for a relatively short period of time while technology advances. Who knows where technology will be twenty or fifty years from now. Necassity is the mother of invention. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors In a message dated 10/16/07 12:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my novice perspective, it seems like solar is the way to go. Cover an area half the size of California (i.e., all the rooftops in America) with solar panels and you supply all the nation’s energy needs. If this were to be undertaken, the ramped up research and economies of scale would make it a lot cheaper than it first appears. Rick, from what I know about photovoltaic electricity, we aren't quite there with the technology. I know a person that sells solar panels and he outfitted his house with them and he told me he can run some lights and small appliances on them but something major like an air conditioning system is out of the question. As the British Petroleum commercials say *there won't be one solution, but many*. While one solution may not be the answer to all the problems, it may have it's niche in the big picture, even if only for a relatively short period of time while technology advances. Who knows where technology will be twenty or fifty years from now. Necassity is the mother of invention. I agree, and would like to add that it’s a shame we’re spending billions on a war in a dubious attempt to safeguard our supply of oil when that same money, if put into alternative energy RD, could free us from the temptation of such wars and our reliance on environmentally destructive energy sources. We need a Kennedy-style alternative energy moon race. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM
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I know several folks/families who live off the grid and use solar. Once I house sat for a couple in their 2500 square foot log home and they had a huge capacity washer/dryer, ac, appliances, lights, garage door opener, etc. -- the whole works -- and although they had a back- up gas generator, they said they could go for 9 days with no sun at all, using all their appliances as per usual, before they'd have to turn the generator on. My former spouse installed solar panels on her home in Davis last year and I don't believe she's had to pay anything to PGE yet, but has received payments from them every month for the excess electricity she sells back to the grid. From anecdotal reports it seems that we do have the technology now, but costs are a crucial factor in the initial switch to solar. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 12:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my novice perspective, it seems like solar is the way to go. Cover an area half the size of California (i.e., all the rooftops in America) with solar panels and you supply all the nationâs energy needs. If this were to be undertaken, the ramped up research and economies of scale would make it a lot cheaper than it first appears. Rick, from what I know about photovoltaic electricity, we aren't quite there with the technology. I know a person that sells solar panels and he outfitted his house with them and he told me he can run some lights and small appliances on them but something major like an air conditioning system is out of the question. As the British Petroleum commercials say *there won't be one solution, but many*. While one solution may not be the answer to all the problems, it may have it's niche in the big picture, even if only for a relatively short period of time while technology advances. Who knows where technology will be twenty or fifty years from now. Necassity is the mother of invention. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
For the cost of the Iraq war, America with its 10,000 small towns, could have spent $50,000,000 in each one to set up solar, hydrogen, biofuel stations or windfarms. 50 million bucks for Fairfield alone. Get it? Does anyone doubt that half a trillion dollars spent on anything would getter done? Cancer cure anyone? I heard that the ENTIRE WORLD COULD BE GIVEN CLEAN DRINKING WATER, ELECTRIFICATION for a mere $75,000,000,000. This is the true evil of Bushco. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know several folks/families who live off the grid and use solar. Once I house sat for a couple in their 2500 square foot log home and they had a huge capacity washer/dryer, ac, appliances, lights, garage door opener, etc. -- the whole works -- and although they had a back- up gas generator, they said they could go for 9 days with no sun at all, using all their appliances as per usual, before they'd have to turn the generator on. My former spouse installed solar panels on her home in Davis last year and I don't believe she's had to pay anything to PGE yet, but has received payments from them every month for the excess electricity she sells back to the grid. From anecdotal reports it seems that we do have the technology now, but costs are a crucial factor in the initial switch to solar. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 12:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rick@ writes: From my novice perspective, it seems like solar is the way to go. Cover an area half the size of California (i.e., all the rooftops in America) with solar panels and you supply all the nationâs energy needs. If this were to be undertaken, the ramped up research and economies of scale would make it a lot cheaper than it first appears. Rick, from what I know about photovoltaic electricity, we aren't quite there with the technology. I know a person that sells solar panels and he outfitted his house with them and he told me he can run some lights and small appliances on them but something major like an air conditioning system is out of the question. As the British Petroleum commercials say *there won't be one solution, but many*. While one solution may not be the answer to all the problems, it may have it's niche in the big picture, even if only for a relatively short period of time while technology advances. Who knows where technology will be twenty or fifty years from now. Necassity is the mother of invention. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
do.rflex wrote: Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex wrote: Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l Nice try Willtex, but they wanna believe what they wanna believe! Hey...the argument is over! Nyuk, nyuk!
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BillyG wrote: Nyuk, nyuk! Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false. - Bertrand Russell Gore is an embarrassment to the nation and should be recognized for being a despotic fool not someone who promoted the cause of peace. One can never base recognition for achievement on self serving lies and misstatements. Read more: Al Gore's Global Warming Lies: http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/28629.html ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: do.rflex wrote: Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize ridiculous and the product of people who don't understand how the atmosphere works. Full story: 'Gore gets a cold shoulder' By Steve Lytte Sydney Morning Herald, October 14, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/354c4l Nice try Willtex, but they wanna believe what they wanna believe! Hey...the argument is over! Nyuk, nyuk! Bill Gray is [often] excoriated in public, rightfully in my opinion, because he's essentially accused the entire scientific community of fraud ... and for no other reason that I can figure out other than he didn't get the funding he feels he deserves. As a scientist, he knows that the type of conspiracy theories he's suggesting simply cannot actually occur. This has led to a real loss of respect within the community for him. ~~ Andrew Dessler PhD, Associate Professor at Texas AM University in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences. His research areas are climate systems research and climate change policy. He has a BA from Rice University and a PhD from Harvard University. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Gray
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marek Reavis Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors From anecdotal reports it seems that we do have the technology now, but costs are a crucial factor in the initial switch to solar. I heard a story on the radio that said that although the technology is evolving, it is doing so incrementally, not dramatically, while the cost of electricity is increasing faster than the efficiency of solar. So it’s worth buying into now, especially if it’s subsidized or you get tax credits, as I understand is the case in California. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Yeah, unlike that noted scientist of letters, Al Gore.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/16/07 7:07:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Neither does Al Gore. Ah, but the many thousands of scientists world-wide who are the source of his information, do. ...and where, pray tell, is that list of thousands? And don't tell me the IPCC because they aren't all scientists (unlike the Oregon Petition in which they WERE all scientists).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
Of course I hate pollution, Edg. I hike at least once a week and hate seeing that haze of grey over the city. But global warming is what is under discussion here. Our mutual disgust of our living environment and the destruction of the planet because of greenhouse gasses are two different things. And speaking of global warming, remember that the IPCC said that the #1 cause of global warming was not tailpipes (your term from below) but cowpipes: farting and belching from livestock. If people stopped eating meat tomorrow, we could,literally, eliminate 99% of the #1 cause of global warming overnight. All cattle slaughtered. All chickens, lambs, etc. No more farting, no more belching. But I suggest it would be VERY hard to give up our cars and, to do so, would devastate the world economy, something that would NOT happen if the livestock industry came apart. So I'll jump on the global warming bandwagon just to see the world become vegetarian. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mdix, To hell with global warming theory -- what about pollution? Gore's encapsulation is merely a POV which can be sniped at, but everyone on the planet knows about pollution, cuz it's right there in their faces -- thousands and thousands of chemical-disaster-zones leeching poisons into aquifers for example -- only one of literally millions of kinds of polution. Completely undeniable -- I can take any global warming naysayer to a industrial-graveyard and point to it, and that naysayer will say, Yuck. Clean this danger up! If Gore is to be successful, all the pollution will have to be cleaned up -- not just the carbon of smoke stacks and tailpipes. I once was driving in the desert. Miles of straight, flat highway and not a car in sight. But I smelled diesel fumes. Finally after about 20 minutes, I saw way way ahead of me a semi belching smoke. I was astounded that my nose had seen farther than my eyes. Now, what DON'T I SMELL? Answer: everything. In the desert, one smell was easily sensed, but in every city in the world, factories are pouring out the crud and our noses are overwhelmed into a false non-smelling-ness. This is a huge problem. Has been since the start of the industrial revolution. Only Gore has found a popular theme that has grabbed the minds of the masses. So, I'm all for Gore even if sometimes he can be proven by you to be an inconvenience. Below's an earlier post I wrote to Shemp. I talk about another car ride therein. You should read it too. Edg Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, You continue to write as if the corporate world is not dumping toxins anywhere they damned well please. Could you just do me a favor and google pollution and see if you can read even five minutes before you puke. You seem -- SEEM -- to believe that the industrial revolution's pollution has been insignificant -- socially, environmentally, financially, psychologically, and spiritually. Am I right about that or am I getting a completely wrong take on you? Shemp, listen to me. Once, I drove in a car for over an hour in Indonesia along a canal. Next to that canal, for an hour's drive remember, was every manner of cardboard-shack housing imaginable, and that canal was where they got their water, washed and dumped their filth. Toddlers playing in muck, old women over tiny fires with rusted pots, and blight in all directions. The smell alone would knock you to your knees, Shemp. I don't know how many people I passed that hour, but it was in the tens or even hundreds of thousands. All living in squalor of such hideousness that the entire Indonesian government should be hung for crimes against humanity. Hung without due process, without a trial -- this village of the damned was prima facie evidence that would have any jury making up their minds and voting for the death penalty while walking to the juryroom. That, Shemp, is the true face of the industrial revolution, and it's been going on without end since it started. It's not just about airborne soot from China, it's about the human misery we're all turning a blind eye towards. Shemp, Shemp, Shemp, what don't you understand about black lung disease, sweat shops, migrant labor, apartheid, Darfur cleansings, World War II Japanese internment camps in California, fixed elections, gerrymandering, elitism, fascism, Big Brother, and the Dresden Firebombing? The fact that global warming may or may not be connected to this pollution is not the issue -- it is merely a cause célèbre, a calling to arms, a rallying flag for the Greens who see pollution and globalism and human rights as the core issues -- not saving water front properties in Florida from the ocean rising 20 feet due to, you know, all of Antarctica melting. Shemp, you seem to be on the side of the bad guys. Say it ain't so. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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shempmcgurk wrote: Of course I hate pollution, Edg. I hike at least once a week and hate seeing that haze of grey over the city. But global warming is what is under discussion here. Our mutual disgust of our living environment and the destruction of the planet because of greenhouse gasses are two different things. And speaking of global warming, remember that the IPCC said that the #1 cause of global warming was not tailpipes (your term from below) but cowpipes: farting and belching from livestock. If people stopped eating meat tomorrow, we could,literally, eliminate 99% of the #1 cause of global warming overnight. And they would be too anemic to do anything else other than sit on the couch which they do enough of already. Of course they would also get severely ill because most people can't become vegetarians overnight but that'll help solve the problem. Reduce the population and you reduce pollution. All cattle slaughtered. All chickens, lambs, etc. No more farting, no more belching. No more energy or strength for humans. Blame your ancestors. But I suggest it would be VERY hard to give up our cars and, to do so, would devastate the world economy, something that would NOT happen if the livestock industry came apart. You could wear a cherry bowl helmet and ride a bike just like many other vata types -- which BTW is the wrong exercise for a vata type. Ever notice how strident bicycle riders are? So I'll jump on the global warming bandwagon just to see the world become vegetarian. So you're joining the New World Order? :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Gore Derangement Syndrome: http://tinyurl.com/297p42 Indeed: [It was] noted on the first few minutes of Fox News Sunday yesterday just how angry the conservative Republicans were about Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Bill Kristol disparaged Gore and the Nobel prize itself, saying it's a prize given by bloviators to a bloviator. Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush, and that's why [Gore] won it. These pundits were obviously bitter, much the same way National Review's Iain Murray was late last week, when he suggested Gore share his award with Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore's stance in a September video harangue. (Apparently, to accept global warming is to embrace a terrorist philosophy.) It led Paul Krugman to ask a good question: What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane? The headline on Krugman's piece is entirely appropriate: Gore Derangement Syndrome. The whole derangement syndrome phenomenon stems from an increasingly common problem when contempt for a leader strays from simple political opposition to irrational, reflexive antagonism. If so-and-so says day, I'll say night, even if the sun is shining. It's more important to fight the perceived opponent than to make sense. And for far too long, that's exactly how the right has approached Gore and the science on global warming. The evidence must be wrong, because Gore believes it. The Nobel Peace Prize must be worthless, because Gore won it. These aren't arguments. They're sad and nonsensical temper-tantrums. Read Krugman's piece here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?ref=opinion Other links here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/15/krugman-gore-drives-right- wingers-insane/ I actually posted the link to the Krugman piece in the NYT just to yank Shemp's chain (and the Arizona Diamondbacks went down in 4 games, so there, you Arizona Goldwater-channeler!). I think all the talk about global warming is absurd, in light of the myriad problems that all the stoopid human tricks create in the environment. There may or may not be human-caused warming that is not part of the geologic cycle of warming and cooling that has been going on for billions of years, but so what? What could stupid people (and 99.9+% of humans are profoundly stupid) do about a huge problem like that, when even trivial problems cannot be solved? The first step is to increase the intelligence level of human life on earth, and the TMO is accomplishing that. Problems are irrelevant, as people who live life from the cosmic level can easily deal with them. Al Gore's son was recently busted for an accident in which he was drink/drug driving -- he should be more concerned about getting his kid to practice TM regularly than a bunch of completely useless posturing about global warming...having said this, it's also true that the right-wing response to Gore is at least as stupid as his position. Really, I don't have a dog in this fight...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Al Gore's Nine Inconvenient Errors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. According to whom? The judge has no scientific credentials. Yeah, unlike that noted scientist of letters, Al Gore. *** The Tonight Show with Jay Leno Now that he's won the Nobel Prize, Al Gore has a huge, international platform to fight global warming. Kind of sad . . . today he stepped onto that platform and it collapsed.
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Gore Derangement Syndrome: http://tinyurl.com/297p42 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole House of Cards that is An Inconvenient Truth falls apart if just 2 or 3 of the following are errors. But there are 9 of 'em, according to a British judge. What is it they say about a house divided unto itself? From Times OnlineOctober 10, 2007 Al Gore told there are nine inconvienient truths in his film Not everything Al Gore says in his documentary is a proven fact Nico Hines A High Court judge today ruled that An Inconvenient Truth can be distributed to every school in the country but only if it comes with a note explaining nine scientific errors in Al Gore's Oscar-winning film. The Government had pledged to send thousands of copies of the film to schools across the country, but a Kent father challenged that policy saying it would brainwash children. A judge was asked to adjudicate between Stewart Dimmock and the Department of Children, Schools and Families. Mr Justice Burton ruled that the film could be sent to schools, but only if it was accompanied by new guidlines to balance the former US vice- president's one-sided views The judge said some of the errors were made in the context of alarmism and exaggeration in order to support Mr Gore's thesis on global warming. Related Links U-turn on showing of Al Gore film in school Al Gore tipped to win Nobel An inconvenient truth? He said that while the film was dramatic and highly professional, it formed part the ex-politician's global crusade on climate change and not all the claims were supported by the current mainstream scientific consensus. He went on to list those errors: Error one Al Gore: A sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland in the near future. The judge's finding: This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore's wake-up call. It was common ground that if Greenland melted it would release this amount of water - but only after, and over, millennia. Error two Gore: Low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls are already being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming. Judge: There was no evidence of any evacuation having yet happened. Error three Gore: The documentary described global warming potentially shutting down the Ocean Conveyor - the process by which the Gulf Stream is carried over the North Atlantic to western Europe. Judge: According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), it was very unlikely it would be shut down, though it might slow down. Error four Gore: He asserted - by ridiculing the opposite view - that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed an exact fit. Judge: Although there was general scientific agreement that there was a connection, the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts. Error five Gore: The disappearance of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was expressly attributable to global warming. Judge: This specifically impressed David Miliband, the Environment Secretary, but the scientific consensus was that it cannot be established that the recession of snows on Mt Kilimanjaro is mainly attributable to human-induced climate change. Error six Gore: The drying up of Lake Chad was used in the film as a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming, said the judge. Judge: It is generally accepted that the evidence remains insufficient to establish such an attribution. It is apparently considered to be far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and over-grazing, and regional climate variability. Error seven Gore: Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans to global warming. Judge: There is insufficient evidence to show that. Error eight Gore: Referred to a new scientific study showing that, for the first time, polar bears were being found that had actually drowned swimming long distances - up to 60 miles - to find the ice. Judge: The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm. That was not to say there might not in future be drowning-related deaths of bears if the trend of regression of pack ice continued - but it plainly does not support Mr Gore's description. Error nine Gore: Coral reefs all over the world were bleaching because of global warming and other factors. Judge: The IPCC had reported that, if temperatures were to rise by 1- 3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and mortality, unless the coral could adapt. But separating the impacts of
