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Could be, what does Jyotish say about the moon (Chandra) in particular?, it seems to me Western and Eastern astrology are pretty consistent as to it's peculiar characteristics, per se. Max Heindel used to say the short hour hand of a clock is the Sun, the long minute hand is the Moon, by exactly comparing these movements (of the sun and moon) to the natal and progressed horoscope one can predict the exact moment of an occurrence in one's life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Here Share is an answer; I googled it. Although I know nothing of jyotish astrology, it speaks to your question. "One of the confusing things in Vedic Astrology is how two planets, the Moon and Mercury, are both said to signify the Mind. The way this happens is that the Rational Intellect gets assigned to Mercury, while everything else having to do with Mind gets given to the Moon" http://www.livingskillfully.com/moon.html http://www.livingskillfully.com/moon.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishi refer to the Moon as mind. But maybe they meant manos and Mercury signifies buddhi, intellect? On Monday, November 4, 2013 12:58 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote: I think moon in Pieces would make us all extremely sensitive, BillyG. I mean, unless we've been taking "First Quarter" and "Third Quarter" literally... (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.) BillyG wrote: > I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in > Pieces affects the mind (like all of > the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, > imaginative way depending on > the aspects and other indicators. > > Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the > other aspects. FWIW
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
I think moon in Pieces would make us all extremely sensitive, BillyG. I mean, unless we've been taking "First Quarter" and "Third Quarter" literally... (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.) BillyG wrote: > I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in > Pieces affects the mind (like all of > the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, > imaginative way depending on > the aspects and other indicators. > > Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the > other aspects. FWIW
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com" wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis..."Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere." ...is so amusing to me. Speaking of mental spheres, I was never much good with a Rubik's Cube, intuitive, or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis..."Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere." ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, "anartaxius@..." wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Oh, another excellent rationalization. Share struggled: > Well, Emily I admit that sometimes I write for the shock value. Glad I make > you smile. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:21 AM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis..."Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere." ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do .
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Well, Emily I admit that sometimes I write for the shock value. Glad I make you smile. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:21 AM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote: Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis..."Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere." ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, "anartaxius@..." wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Share, I think I read you sometimes for the shock factorthis..."Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere." ...is so amusing to me. It's the best rationalization ever, isn't it? Sometimes I wish you could experience you the way I do . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, "anartaxius@..." wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
1948? Yep, I'm also officially an old bastard now too. Thus, you learn a few things along the way. That's why I only believe in not believing. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
hey Bhairitu, thank you so much for that idea of dashas fading in and out. Today I've gone from Mars Ketu to Mars Venus but actually I began feeling different about a week ago. So this is a way to understand that and it makes sense and, I've never heard it before! On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I agree somewhat on rectifications of charts. A good test would be to give an astrologer a birth chart which has an accurate birth time and have them rectify. A really good astrologer might say "I think the birth time given is accurate." I was "blue baby" at birth and since my birth certificate time makes me an early Libra due to my technical interests had some amateur astrologers believe I was a late Virgo. This is ALL jyotish mind you as I don't pay much heed to tropical astrology. However the pros said I wouldn't have an older sister (which I do) if I was a Virgo. The problem with many westerners in astrology (both tropical and jyotish) is they become too infatuated with minutia. I like to tell the story of Hart DeFouw putting up a chart in one of his classes and asking for an interpretation. He got all kinds of stuff back based on the nakashatras but what he wanted was a reading just based on the planetary positions. Another astrologer friend from India came to one of our study sessions and some folks in the group started asking questions about nakshatras etc. He paused for a moment and said, "actually many successful Indian astrologers just use simple methods." Many amateur jyotishis forget that jyotish means "science of light." Some think that planetary periods are binary. One minute you are in one dasha and the next minute another. But it's more like a fadeout and fade in. Same with infancy in old age in a chart. Planets don't become weak because they are going between houses and signs. Instead the meaning of that house and sign is waning (fading out) while the next sign is waxing (fading in). This gave mixed results for astrologers. Still I wager that astrology is far, far better than any WAG (Wild Ass Guess). There has been research into effects of births at different times of the year and even interest in researching births at certain times of the day. Of course OMG that might validate astrology. Bad astrologers give astrology a bad name not astrology itself. On 11/03/2013 08:47 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: >---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > >Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth >certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of >one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had >known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was >able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the >time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that >nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. > > > >I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an >astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth >time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of >times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when >astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then >'works better'. > > >If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a >double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that >information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can >really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of >delusional thinking. > > >Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific >validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any >astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC >Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done >by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. >That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to >define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a >standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was >required for the participants. The result was published in Science. > > >Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because >it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see >how the results would be any better. > > >There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, >would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature >would be invoked and how do they functio
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
I agree somewhat on rectifications of charts. A good test would be to give an astrologer a birth chart which has an accurate birth time and have them rectify. A really good astrologer might say "I think the birth time given is accurate." I was "blue baby" at birth and since my birth certificate time makes me an early Libra due to my technical interests had some amateur astrologers believe I was a late Virgo. This is ALL jyotish mind you as I don't pay much heed to tropical astrology. However the pros said I wouldn't have an older sister (which I do) if I was a Virgo. The problem with many westerners in astrology (both tropical and jyotish) is they become too infatuated with minutia. I like to tell the story of Hart DeFouw putting up a chart in one of his classes and asking for an interpretation. He got all kinds of stuff back based on the nakashatras but what he wanted was a reading just based on the planetary positions. Another astrologer friend from India came to one of our study sessions and some folks in the group started asking questions about nakshatras etc. He paused for a moment and said, "actually many successful Indian astrologers just use simple methods." Many amateur jyotishis forget that jyotish means "science of light." Some think that planetary periods are binary. One minute you are in one dasha and the next minute another. But it's more like a fadeout and fade in. Same with infancy in old age in a chart. Planets don't become weak because they are going between houses and signs. Instead the meaning of that house and sign is waning (fading out) while the next sign is waxing (fading in). This gave mixed results for astrologers. Still I wager that astrology is far, far better than any WAG (Wild Ass Guess). There has been research into effects of births at different times of the year and even interest in researching births at certain times of the day. Of course OMG that might validate astrology. Bad astrologers give astrology a bad name not astrology itself. On 11/03/2013 08:47 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Xeno, I think of jyotish as an ancient science whose practitioners have collected data for thousands of years. But like any science, just because x gave rise to y 100 times, isn't a guarantee that it will do so on the 101th time. Also, as you know, I tend to be more intuitive in the mental sphere. So I often go more by how something feels or what I sense about it. For example, some jyotishis gave me a birth time and I told them it did not feel right based on the dasha changes and when events occurred in my life. So they gave me a new birth time that felt more right to me. They were the jyotishis who looked at the time on my birth certificate and told me it couldn't be right because otherwise I would have been male! btw, I'm always testing jyotish and that's one of the aspects of it that I enjoy. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:48 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Astrologers have methods for determining if the TOB recorded on the birth certificate is accurate. For example, by one's gender. Also by details of one's life. For example, a jyotishi looked at my birth time and asked if I had known my Dad's mother. I said yes and by using details of her life, he was able to determine my accurate birth time. Which was a few minutes before the time on my birth certificate so that made sense to me. I've been told that nurses back then, 1948, stepped out of the delivery room to record the time. I do not believe this has ever been tested, so it is a supposition that an astrologer, usinging whatever methods they use, can discover an actual birth time that is recorded inaccurately. My hypothesis is that rectification of times is a dodge developed to counteract the discrepancies that arise when astrology fails to predict events. By adjusting the time, the chart then 'works better'. If we had documented evidence of births with accurately recored times, then a double-blind study of astrologers trying to find those times when that information is withheld in various ways would be possible to see if they can really do that. My bet is they cannot because astrology is largely a matter of delusional thinking. Notice that the TMO has never published any study showing the scientific validity of astrology. There have been very few double-blind tests of any astrological system that have been well designed. There was one done at UC Berkeley some 25 years ago with Western astrology, and all the work was done by professional astrologers, and the result came out no better than chance. That study dealt with personality characteristics, which are difficult to define. The astrologers in that test were matching horoscopes with a standardised personality inventory. Documented evidence of birth times was required for the participants. The result was published in Science. Jyotish, which seems more event driven, would be easier to test. But because it has the same delusional underpinnings as Western astrology, I do not see how the results would be any better. There are questions here which seem impossible to parse. Why, for example, would the sex of a child have an effect on the birth time? What laws of nature would be invoked and how do they function?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
In the US, back in the 1970s nurses lobbied for recording the time accurately supposedly because of the rising interest in astrology. However my bet is the hospital lawyers looked at it and saw possible legal consequences if the time wasn't recorded accurately so made it a policy. Hence my great nieces and nephews have accurate to the minute birth times not ones that say 7:30 PM or 2 AM. It's been said that back in the 40's and 50's in the smokin' old US the doctor would deliver a child take a smoke break and filled out the birth certificate, glanced at the clock on the wall and entered that time. So births may be off in those cases by several minutes. Of course in India a lot of older folks don't even know what year they were born. On 11/03/2013 06:03 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Hospitals only record the generic TOB (i.e. when the attending nurses look to the clock). They don't have astrological thinking, so they look only for the general time (live birth was about 10:28 am). The one degree per six minutes effect doesn't doesn't exist for them ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour "fall back" morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Actually most countries in the tropics don't use it. That's because the sunrise and sunset don't change much throughout the year so it is superfluous for them. Russia did away with DST a couple years ago. However they just stayed on the old DST instead of going back to Standard Time. There are folks in the US who want that too. I've mentioned before that the Insurance Institute has found that accidents increase during the first two weeks of DST but there is no change when we go off DST. The US Chamber of Commerce loves DST because research shows that when there is that extra hour of daylight employees tend to stop off and shop after work. As I mentioned to Alex, techies want to do away with time zones altogether and just run on UTC. Makes sense because with the Internet we live in a global society. Time zones came into being with transcontinental railroads. Prior to that you had LAT (Local Actual Time) which was based on sun dial time. But that meant that time might change too much during the year (especially in more northern towns). So Local Mean Time replaced Local Actual Time. It's based on longitude. But then you would have different times among cities in the same state or country so they came up with standard time zones which worked better with the new travel venues. BTW, I also think that DST contributes to obesity because people suddenly are eating earlier than they are used to and hence putting on some pounds. On 11/03/2013 06:02 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Interesting that DST is only used in Western, or Westernized, countries, vs. most of S. America, Asia, and Africa. As usual, we are obviously Far More Advanced - lol. I've read all the justification for it, and yet, the only benefit for DST seems to be a low cost way to experience jet-lag, without actually going anywhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour "fall back" morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Hospitals only record the generic TOB (i.e. when the attending nurses look to the clock). They don't have astrological thinking, so they look only for the general time (live birth was about 10:28 am). The one degree per six minutes effect doesn't doesn't exist for them ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour "fall back" morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology and Daylight Savings
Interesting that DST is only used in Western, or Westernized, countries, vs. most of S. America, Asia, and Africa. As usual, we are obviously Far More Advanced - lol. I've read all the justification for it, and yet, the only benefit for DST seems to be a low cost way to experience jet-lag, without actually going anywhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This morning, a weird dream woke me up at a little before 2am, and my first thought was that it would be cool to watch my digital radio-controlled clock shift back to standard time. But, at the top of the hour, the clock stayed on 2am, and I realized that I had woken up during the second 1am hour. And, it got me wondering how astrology deals with the one day of the year in DST areas where there are two periods of 1:00am to 1:59am. I guess if an astrologer has to deal with a 1am hour "fall back" morning birth time that doesn't specify DST or standard time, he'll have to run both charts and see which one is the better fit. I'd like to assume that hospitals would make a point of taking note of which 1am hour, but I know from my own birth certificate that hospitals aren't always focused on recording accurate birth time.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Astrology is outside my field of expertise. (Along with a hell of a lot of other stuff, of course.) But your mentioning the astrological dimension brings up something else I've always felt strongly about. And that is: whoever the people were who wrote the Gospel accounts they were emphatically not the naive peasant/worker types - which is the impression you get from Sunday School - but instead they were well-educated and sophisticated and expected their writings to be read by a similar class of people. Alas, the whole field has been dumbed down - like most of modern education!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Judy, I would tend to agree with you on this observation. From what I understand, it snows in Bethlehem during the winter months. So, it would not have been practical for the Romans to make the population travel to their tribal homes for a census. Also, astrologically, it can be justified that Jesus was born on September 21 or after, when the Sun is in its fall. Hence, he was born in a stable, a place unsuitable for a human being and for a future King. This would imply that Jesus was born as a Cancer ascendant in jyotish calculation. Why? Because the fourth house, meaning birth home, would be in Libra, the sign where the Sun is debilitated. Also, this ascendant would mean that the 10th house of career or accomplishment is in the sign of Aries, signifying the start of spring or rebirth from the death of the Sun during the winter months. Therefore, it is logical that Jesus would be known in history as the Redeemer who rose from the dead since the Sun (the symbol of Jesus) is exalted in Aries, the start of spring and the renewal of life here on earth. There is more to this subject. But I'll stop here for brevity. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982, "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night"). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: > Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? > Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth > her firstborn son, and > wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary > straddling a > feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Seraphita, I believe the point was that Jesus was born in a stable where the animals, the horse and the goat, were sheltered. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead "And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger." Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBg&list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2pgWsYSyUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > The Good Doctor inquires if there are others here enchanted by the stars? A > good time for Lunar Leos! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > The Good Doctor inquires if there are others here enchanted by the stars? A > good time for Lunar Leos! > Yep, and a spectacular time to buy Nokia shares (b. 5/12/1865, Tampere Finland)?? The Fifth Saturn Return of Nokia is about to end for good, so to speak, actually on 9/11/2012! ( > 2 degrees from the exact point of transit, or stuff!) http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/nok/stock-chart
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray
Thanks Steve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > Thank you Rav. I have assigned a 3-Star system with the exception of > one item which I gave 5 stars. Overall I feel the analysis sort of > missed the mark with the exception of the summary statement which I felt > was 100% accurate. > > Thanks again. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote: > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will > just > > focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of > strengths > > and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the > > initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL. > > > > > > > > > > A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and > challenges > > as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have > > identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a > > mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't > > resist using them. > > > > > > > > The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature sou > ***l, > > someone who is humble unassuming *** and a caring perfectionist *. You > are > > keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that > > others would miss. *** The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house > with Sun > > shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp > > penetrating intellect * and powerful intuition **. You arevery quick > to grasp > > people's motivations **, developing strategies and subjects requiring > > research and investigation *. > > > > > > > > 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your > > strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper > meaning > > in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored, > > hidden, or taboos. *** 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy > to > > heal, transform and rejuvenate. ** The 8th house is colored by the > sign of > > Aries you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take > > initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep > > research *, more of a sprinter than marathon runner ** , love > challenges *. You > > get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big > > picture right away **. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are > > eager to move forward. ** Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental > > energy. ** You are a strong thinker and proud of it. * You love to > explore > > hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting > stuck > > in details. ** You have a strong belief in destiny. *** > > > > > > > > The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition > along > > the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and > Jupiter > > is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic. ** Mars in > the > > 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive. > The > > position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control > of > > your emotions with lot of self control, your energy is well directed > > towards goal oriented pursuits. * > > > > > > Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable > > humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. * > > Usually Jupiter here indicates association with > spiritual/philosophical > > groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom, > > generosity and an eagerness to share this. ** You have a lot to offer > in > > spiritual groups or circles. ** > > > > > > > > Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to. > Rahu > > shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that > > keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where > you > > are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite > to > > each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need > > to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material > plane. > > > > > > > > Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and > > taking initiative. * You may bea man of few words *** and coming > across as > > cold, distant and reserved. * The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that > you > > avoid confrontation and conflict *** and find it very hard to a take > a moral > > stand or decision. * You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the > > point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems > to > > others around you. ** You might have lot of conflict and battles in > the > > mind which might leave you exhausted. ** You most likely wouldn't > want > > to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. ** > > > > > > > > Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray
Thank you Rav. I have assigned a 3-Star system with the exception of one item which I gave 5 stars. Overall I feel the analysis sort of missed the mark with the exception of the summary statement which I felt was 100% accurate. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will just > focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of strengths > and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the > initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL. > > > > > A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and challenges > as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have > identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a > mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart. > > > > > Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't > resist using them. > > > > The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature sou ***l, > someone who is humble unassuming *** and a caring perfectionist *. You are > keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that > others would miss. *** The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house with Sun > shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp > penetrating intellect * and powerful intuition **. You arevery quick to grasp > people's motivations **, developing strategies and subjects requiring > research and investigation *. > > > > 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your > strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper meaning > in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored, > hidden, or taboos. *** 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy to > heal, transform and rejuvenate. ** The 8th house is colored by the sign of > Aries you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take > initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep > research *, more of a sprinter than marathon runner ** , love challenges *. You > get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big > picture right away **. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are > eager to move forward. ** Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental > energy. ** You are a strong thinker and proud of it. * You love to explore > hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting stuck > in details. ** You have a strong belief in destiny. *** > > > > The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition along > the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and Jupiter > is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic. ** Mars in the > 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive. The > position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control of > your emotions with lot of self control, your energy is well directed > towards goal oriented pursuits. * > > > Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable > humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. * > Usually Jupiter here indicates association with spiritual/philosophical > groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom, > generosity and an eagerness to share this. ** You have a lot to offer in > spiritual groups or circles. ** > > > > Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to. Rahu > shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that > keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where you > are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite to > each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need > to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material plane. > > > > Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and > taking initiative. * You may bea man of few words *** and coming across as > cold, distant and reserved. * The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that you > avoid confrontation and conflict *** and find it very hard to a take a moral > stand or decision. * You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the > point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems to > others around you. ** You might have lot of conflict and battles in the > mind which might leave you exhausted. ** You most likely wouldn't want > to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. ** > > > > Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is also eclipsed by > the nodes and Saturn. This suggests that your ability to express and > receive love is one of the weakest areas. ** There might be issues of > emotional blocks and feeling of worth. * Venus conjunct Ketu shows that > you have trouble in expressing love and you would rather stick tologic > and reasoning. * > > > > This pattern s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray
Ravi, Thank you for taking the time to do this. I want to comment later in the day or evening when I have some time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will just > focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of strengths > and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the > initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL. > > > > > A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and challenges > as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have > identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a > mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart. > > > > > Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't > resist using them. > > > > The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature soul, > someone who is humble unassuming and a caring perfectionist. You are > keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that > others would miss. The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house with Sun > shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp > penetrating intellect and powerful intuition. You arevery quick to grasp > people's motivations, developing strategies and subjects requiring > research and investigation. > > > > 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your > strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper meaning > in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored, > hidden, or taboos. 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy to > heal, transform and rejuvenate. The 8th house is colored by the sign of > Aries you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take > initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep > research, more of a sprinter than marathon runner, love challenges. You > get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big > picture right away. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are > eager to move forward. Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental > energy. You are a strong thinker and proud of it. You love to explore > hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting stuck > in details. You have a strong belief in destiny. > > > > The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition along > the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and Jupiter > is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic. Mars in the > 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive. The > position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control of > your emotions withlot of self control, your energy is well directed > towards goal oriented pursuits. > > > > Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable > humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. > Usually Jupiter here indicates association with spiritual/philosophical > groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom, > generosity and an eagerness to share this. You have a lot to offer in > spiritual groups or circles. > > > > Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to. Rahu > shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that > keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where you > are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite to > each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need > to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material plane. > > > > Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and > taking initiative. You may bea man of few words and coming across as > cold, distant and reserved. The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that you > avoid confrontation and conflict and find it very hard to a take a moral > stand or decision. You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the > point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems to > others around you. You might have lot of conflict and battles in the > mind which might leave you exhausted. You most likely wouldn't want > to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. > > > > Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is also eclipsed by > the nodes and Saturn. This suggests that your ability to express and > receive love is one of the weakest areas. There might be issues of > emotional blocks and feeling of worth. Venus conjunct Ketu shows that > you have trouble in expressing love and you would rather stick tologic > and reasoning. > > > > This pattern seems to berepeated by Moon in 12th. This is the one > feature of your chart where the masculine planets Mars, Jupiter > and Sun are all very strong whereas the feminine planets Venus and Moon > are weak. Moon in 12th shows a very sensitive and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray
Steve, Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will just focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of strengths and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL. A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and challenges as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart. Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't resist using them. The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature soul, someone who is humble unassuming and a caring perfectionist. You are keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that others would miss. The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house with Sun shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp penetrating intellect and powerful intuition. You arevery quick to grasp people's motivations, developing strategies and subjects requiring research and investigation. 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper meaning in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored, hidden, or taboos. 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy to heal, transform and rejuvenate. The 8th house is colored by the sign of Aries you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep research, more of a sprinter than marathon runner, love challenges. You get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big picture right away. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are eager to move forward. Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental energy. You are a strong thinker and proud of it. You love to explore hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting stuck in details. You have a strong belief in destiny. The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition along the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and Jupiter is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic. Mars in the 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive. The position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control of your emotions withlot of self control, your energy is well directed towards goal oriented pursuits. Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. Usually Jupiter here indicates association with spiritual/philosophical groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom, generosity and an eagerness to share this. You have a lot to offer in spiritual groups or circles. Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to. Rahu shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where you are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite to each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material plane. Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and taking initiative. You may bea man of few words and coming across as cold, distant and reserved. The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that you avoid confrontation and conflict and find it very hard to a take a moral stand or decision. You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems to others around you. You might have lot of conflict and battles in the mind which might leave you exhausted. You most likely wouldn't want to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is also eclipsed by the nodes and Saturn. This suggests that your ability to express and receive love is one of the weakest areas. There might be issues of emotional blocks and feeling of worth. Venus conjunct Ketu shows that you have trouble in expressing love and you would rather stick tologic and reasoning. This pattern seems to berepeated by Moon in 12th. This is the one feature of your chart where the masculine planets Mars, Jupiter and Sun are all very strong whereas the feminine planets Venus and Moon are weak. Moon in 12th shows a very sensitive and emotional person but these are hidden. These could be related to issues with women or that you have been unconsciously emphasizing your masculine qualities at the expense of love, feelings and emotions. This is also repeated where your 4th house is trapped by malefics on either side. Moon in 12th does however show that you have deep emotional attachment f
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/03/2011 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> There has not bee any really organized research in > >> to the field of astrology. > > > > And never will be, because those who make big bucks > > from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific > > scrutiny. Sez Barry authoritatively... > Not true, many of the astrological societies have been > calling for it for years. Of course one has to > practice astrology to see it's viability. Spectators > need not apply. Barry, this past Tuesday: "'Authority' -- whether in a spiritual context or a mundane one, is conferred on someone based on what they've DONE, not what they have read about other people doing." As I've often noted, it's important for us all to realize that Barry's Rules apply to everyone *except* Barry.
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On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:11 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > Yeah, I don't know enough to say whether it is legit or not.:-) Right. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
Yeah, I don't know enough to say whether it is legit or not.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > > Science or not, I am not one who wants to know this stuff. I couldn't care > > less if someone could tell me what was going to happen tomorrow. As the > > expression goes, Life Happens, and I enjoy far more letting that occur vs. > > astrology. I have looked at it casually though, and there is a lot to get > > into. > > I'm sure there is, just as there undoubtedly was > "a lot to get into" in the past in the fields of > alchemy and fortune-telling. There is usually > a whole lot of $$ to be made off of suckers, > and a seemingly endless supply of them. > > > If so inclined, it is probably a fascinating study.:-) > > Undoubtedly, though not in the way I believe you mean. > > Sal >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > Science or not, I am not one who wants to know this stuff. I couldn't care > less if someone could tell me what was going to happen tomorrow. As the > expression goes, Life Happens, and I enjoy far more letting that occur vs. > astrology. I have looked at it casually though, and there is a lot to get > into. I'm sure there is, just as there undoubtedly was "a lot to get into" in the past in the fields of alchemy and fortune-telling. There is usually a whole lot of $$ to be made off of suckers, and a seemingly endless supply of them. > If so inclined, it is probably a fascinating study.:-) Undoubtedly, though not in the way I believe you mean. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
Science or not, I am not one who wants to know this stuff. I couldn't care less if someone could tell me what was going to happen tomorrow. As the expression goes, Life Happens, and I enjoy far more letting that occur vs. astrology. I have looked at it casually though, and there is a lot to get into. If so inclined, it is probably a fascinating study.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > suspect like Ayurveda there are a bunch soured people on FFL who > > didn't get the results they expected or even had an inexperienced > > jyotishi do their chart. It's a little difference if you get the > > horoscope done by very experienced Indian astrologers, who BTW don't > > often charge as much as US astrologers and some don't want to charge at all. > > I had mine done by one of the "best," supposedly, > very experienced and who gave definite specifics, > and it was so off it was laughable. Beyond that > I've seen no evidence, as several others have > pointed out, that the reliability is any greater > than pure chance. The reason they usually > lapse into generalities, of course, is those can be interpreted > almost any way you want. I've met any number of jyotishis > as well as western astrologers, and I've seen > no evidence there's any kind of "science" > behind any of it. > > Sal >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > suspect like Ayurveda there are a bunch soured people on FFL who > > didn't get the results they expected or even had an inexperienced > > jyotishi do their chart. It's a little difference if you get the > > horoscope done by very experienced Indian astrologers, who BTW don't > > often charge as much as US astrologers and some don't want to charge at all. > > I had mine done by one of the "best," supposedly, > very experienced and who gave definite specifics, > and it was so off it was laughable. Me, too. I went to one of the biggies who was working for the TMO at the time - back in the early 90's. Nothing accurate about it. I later heard that the TMO-paid jyotishis were given specific guidelines and told not to say certain things, etc. But, I had one of my sons' chart done when he was very ill about 7 years ago. The dates we were given for his illness and for his future getting better, slowly over the next 6 years, were exactly accurate. I mean totally accurate not only to the year and month, but almost to the day. We were desperate to get some sense of the prognosis and the illness in his life. Other predictions in his chart - like getting back to college - were also right on. My husband thinks astrology is a crock, but even he admits the dates turned out to be accurate. The guy who did this accurate reading is James Kelleher. I think he is a former TM teacher who back in the early 70's left MMY and went and studied astrology in India. He lives in California now. The other person who had the same dates and info (yes, I had his chart done twice) is Howard Beckman. Beyond that > I've seen no evidence, as several others have > pointed out, that the reliability is any greater > than pure chance. The reason they usually > lapse into generalities, of course, is those can be interpreted > almost any way you want. I've met any number of jyotishis > as well as western astrologers, and I've seen > no evidence there's any kind of "science" > behind any of it. > > Sal >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
They were probably doing it wrong. I no longer have a program, but if any astrologers are reading this, maybe they could do some transits for you. In steps: (a) look at your natal chart for malefic aspects; typically hard angles (oppositions, squares) to your natal planets. Among the most malefic are (for example): Saturn or trans-Saturnian planets with hard angles to your inner planetssay Saturn Sq. Mars - generally not good. Could involve deficiencies of a karmic nature needing more work. (b) Next, look at current transits, especially those which may resonate with natal configurations; using (a) as an example; "Saturn will be transiting Mars from" This type of transit (outer planet to inner) would act as a type of hour hand on a clock. (c) the minute hand would involve Mars transits, lasting maybe 4-5 days. Watch out for Mars! This planet may trigger the outer planets with more specific time periods to be careful of. (d) Influences a-c can be mollified a bit by Venus and Mercury. (e) Finally, the second hand of the astrological clock could be represented by the Moon, lending more predictive power to a precise time of a day. ... But again, very few astrologers are expert psychics. http://www.fantasygallery.net/wetter/art_3_the-messenger.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > suspect like Ayurveda there are a bunch soured people on FFL who > > didn't get the results they expected or even had an inexperienced > > jyotishi do their chart. It's a little difference if you get the > > horoscope done by very experienced Indian astrologers, who BTW don't > > often charge as much as US astrologers and some don't want to charge at all. > > I had mine done by one of the "best," supposedly, > very experienced and who gave definite specifics, > and it was so off it was laughable. Beyond that > I've seen no evidence, as several others have > pointed out, that the reliability is any greater > than pure chance. The reason they usually > lapse into generalities, of course, is those can be interpreted > almost any way you want. I've met any number of jyotishis > as well as western astrologers, and I've seen > no evidence there's any kind of "science" > behind any of it. > > Sal >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > suspect like Ayurveda there are a bunch soured people on FFL who > didn't get the results they expected or even had an inexperienced > jyotishi do their chart. It's a little difference if you get the > horoscope done by very experienced Indian astrologers, who BTW don't > often charge as much as US astrologers and some don't want to charge at all. I had mine done by one of the "best," supposedly, very experienced and who gave definite specifics, and it was so off it was laughable. Beyond that I've seen no evidence, as several others have pointed out, that the reliability is any greater than pure chance. The reason they usually lapse into generalities, of course, is those can be interpreted almost any way you want. I've met any number of jyotishis as well as western astrologers, and I've seen no evidence there's any kind of "science" behind any of it. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
On 02/03/2011 01:29 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> On 02/03/2011 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: There has not bee any really organized research in to the field of astrology. >>> And never will be, because those who make big bucks >>> from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific >>> scrutiny. >>> >> Not true, many of the astrological societies have been calling for it >> for years. Of course one has to practice astrology to see it's >> viability. Spectators need not apply. > How do you define the "practice" of something that > has no recognized guidelines, no oversight, etc, Bhair? > How does that work? > > Sal What unrecognized guidelines are you speaking of? There are variants and schools of teaching throughout India but they often have commonalities. ACVA, the American Council of Vedic Astrologers tried to institutionalize it by setting up a college. People like to read their daily horoscopes in the newspapers and online but those are usually too general for much of any insight. And the (not so) Amazing Randi tried to disprove astrology based on those sun sign charts. But to my knowledge he never tried it with actual horoscopes which include the rising sign. I suspect like Ayurveda there are a bunch soured people on FFL who didn't get the results they expected or even had an inexperienced jyotishi do their chart. It's a little difference if you get the horoscope done by very experienced Indian astrologers, who BTW don't often charge as much as US astrologers and some don't want to charge at all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > On 02/03/2011 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> There has not bee any really organized research in to the >>> field of astrology. >> And never will be, because those who make big bucks >> from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific >> scrutiny. >> > > Not true, many of the astrological societies have been calling for it > for years. Of course one has to practice astrology to see it's > viability. Spectators need not apply. How do you define the "practice" of something that has no recognized guidelines, no oversight, etc, Bhair? How does that work? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
I second that ... on the practice. It "works" for me, having consulted astrological transits for decades. To add: (a) takes advantage of correlations, but generally avoids the question of causation. (b) Extremely rare - are astrologers who are psychic, since predictive astrology is good at general trends but not specific events. Therefore, something like "during X transit, you will have a good chance of getting a job"; but a psychic will tack on the "yes, you will get a job, probably in the week of". If you meet up with an astrologer who is also psychic, don't let him/her of your sight. (c) remedial measures usually accompany Indian and Chinese astrology but in general, Western astrology doesn't traditionally get into remedies; at least until more recent years with influences from the East. As to remedies, naturally these will cost you more; so make sure the remedial measures are charged by a powerful Guru. (d) Western astrology has an advantage is determining the precise location of planets and bodies such as Pluto as well as various moons, asteroids, and stars. Thus, although Vedic Seers may be aware of the trans-Saturnian planets (and Pluto); they may be also gain added information by using Western technology to find out precise positions. Vedic astrologers (not having such information) may attempt to downplay the influences of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto; but do so at their own risk, since these bodies can be predictive of very powerful "influences" (i.e. act through correlations, not necessarily emanating influential vibes which cause events to occur). ... http://www.redbubble.com/people/surrealismart/art/1588848-1-mindscape-or-virtual-reality-dreamscape --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/03/2011 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> There has not bee any really organized research in to the > >> field of astrology. > > And never will be, because those who make big bucks > > from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific > > scrutiny. > > > > Not true, many of the astrological societies have been calling for it > for years. Of course one has to practice astrology to see it's > viability. Spectators need not apply. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
On 02/03/2011 11:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> There has not bee any really organized research in to the >> field of astrology. > And never will be, because those who make big bucks > from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific > scrutiny. > Not true, many of the astrological societies have been calling for it for years. Of course one has to practice astrology to see it's viability. Spectators need not apply.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology is a science: Bombay HC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > There has not bee any really organized research in to the > field of astrology. And never will be, because those who make big bucks from it don't want it ever to be put under scientific scrutiny. Those who *pay* big bucks to the "astrologers" don't want it to ever be put under scientific scrutiny, either, because if it were they'd most likely be proven gullible idiots. Can't have that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology and money markets.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Some interesting research. > > > > http://ftadviser.com/?m=11173&amid=115652 > > > > Where is the research? > A bit more here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1235304.stm And here. http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2007/06/29/5553/the-stars-the-planets- feng-shui-and-the-stock-market/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology and money markets.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Some interesting research. > > http://ftadviser.com/?m=11173&amid=115652 > Where is the research?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Abu Sa'id was speaking before an assembly and he said, > 'Today I am going to speak to you about astrology.' > > "All the people listened to the Sheikh with keen interest, > wondering what he would say. > > "The Sheikh said, 'Oh people, this year whatever God > wishes shall happen, just as last year everything > that happened was what God, He is exalted, wished.'" I can't argue with that. > > Abu Sa'id ibn Abi-l-Khayr > in Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee > _Travelling the Path of Love: > Sayings of sufi Masters_ > Inverness, CA: Golden Sufi Center, 1995, p. 177 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 > 5:57 PM >
