Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Hey John I was thinking about jyotish, etc. this morning. Remembering times I read the Farmer's Almanac and how they suggested best days to plant according to the phase of the moon. And of course we know that the moon affects the tides. And we know that we're 70% water. So it makes sense to me that we're also affected by the moon's phases. For example, I think violence increases around the full moon. Anyway, what if we're affected in similar ways by the other planets, but not on the level of water. Just speculation, but it could be put to experimentation: maybe Mars has an effect on iron levels in the body, in Earth; maybe Saturn has an effect on calcium levels; maybe Venus has an effect on the levels of the pleasure hormones. What do you think? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Share, I don't have any credible source as to the natal chart of Red China. I would assume it would be the date and time when the People's Republic of China officially became the ruler of the country. I haven't researched this point yet. I'm sure it's available in the record books. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank. So it's in their self interest to help the US. You know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold. Is there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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Share, Jyotish is an ancient science and covers all of the concerns that you've been thinking. Yes, you're correct in assuming that the full Moon days have special qualities, but not necessarily violent. Specifically, during the Full Moon in the summer, the Vedic culture, including the TMO, celebrates this day in honor of Guru Deva. There are also special qualities of the Moon as it transits from the natal Moon sign. The same principle applies to all of the planets as they transit from the natal Moon nakshatra and the lagna or ascendant. For accurate predictions, all of these information would have to be synthesized by the jyotishi. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hey John I was thinking about jyotish, etc. this morning. Remembering times I read the Farmer's Almanac and how they suggested best days to plant according to the phase of the moon. And of course we know that the moon affects the tides. And we know that we're 70% water. So it makes sense to me that we're also affected by the moon's phases. For example, I think violence increases around the full moon. Anyway, what if we're affected in similar ways by the other planets, but not on the level of water. Just speculation, but it could be put to experimentation: maybe Mars has an effect on iron levels in the body, in Earth; maybe Saturn has an effect on calcium levels; maybe Venus has an effect on the levels of the pleasure hormones. What do you think? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 10:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, I don't have any credible source as to the natal chart of Red China. I would assume it would be the date and time when the People's Republic of China officially became the ruler of the country. I haven't researched this point yet. I'm sure it's available in the record books. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, thank you for explaining this.àIt'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.àAny jyotish chart for China?àWonder how it compares to US.àGood compatibility? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.ÃâàSo it's in their self interest to help the US.ÃâàYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.ÃâàIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit ÃâàShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? When was China born?  Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.àSo it's in their self interest to help the US.àYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.àIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/20/2013 11:33 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR Most astrologers would use the birth chart for the People's Republic of China: Beijing October 1st, 1949 3:01 PM AWST (-8:00) 116E25 39N55 (Time may have been rectified)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:33 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR Most astrologers would use the birth chart for the People's Republic of China: Beijing October 1st, 1949 3:01 PM AWST (-8:00) 116E25 39N55 (Time may have been rectified) Bhairitu, Share, and Ann, I'm not sure how this date and time was derived and if it is authentic. Nonetheless, in using this data, the ascendant of the People's Republic of China would be Capricorn with the Moon in the nakshatra of Uttara Shaddah. In making a cursory review of the charts of the USA and China, both nations have Kujadosha which facilitates in the cooperation and partnership between them. Since the Mars of China is in conjunction with the Venus of the USA in the 7th house, there is a very strong bond between the nations, almost bordering to a sexual orgy or attraction. Perhaps, this is the reason why both nations are in close trade agreement. A surprising feature of the China chart is the placement of Venus in Libra in the 10th house. This means that China will be very good in creativity, the fine arts, women's rights, female products, clothing, cars and international politics. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/20/2013 03:07 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:33 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR Most astrologers would use the birth chart for the People's Republic of China: Beijing October 1st, 1949 3:01 PM AWST (-8:00) 116E25 39N55 (Time may have been rectified) Bhairitu, Share, and Ann, I'm not sure how this date and time was derived and if it is authentic. Nonetheless, in using this data, the ascendant of the People's Republic of China would be Capricorn with the Moon in the nakshatra of Uttara Shaddah. Did you even bother to look it up on the Internet? Standard Wikipedia stuff. The time may have been rectified by astrologers as I took it from a chart but many other sites used that.
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Thanks noozguru and John, very fascinating chart of China, very fascinating compatibility chart between China and USA. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:33 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR Most astrologers would use the birth chart for the People's Republic of China: Beijing October 1st, 1949 3:01 PM AWST (-8:00) 116E25 39N55 (Time may have been rectified) Bhairitu, Share, and Ann, I'm not sure how this date and time was derived and if it is authentic. Nonetheless, in using this data, the ascendant of the People's Republic of China would be Capricorn with the Moon in the nakshatra of Uttara Shaddah. In making a cursory review of the charts of the USA and China, both nations have Kujadosha which facilitates in the cooperation and partnership between them. Since the Mars of China is in conjunction with the Venus of the USA in the 7th house, there is a very strong bond between the nations, almost bordering to a sexual orgy or attraction. Perhaps, this is the reason why both nations are in close trade agreement. A surprising feature of the China chart is the placement of Venus in Libra in the 10th house. This means that China will be very good in creativity, the fine arts, women's rights, female products, clothing, cars and international politics. JR
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Share, Bhairitu, and Ann The date and time of the proclamation of Mao Tse Tung to start the People's Republic of China is correct. See link below: http://gochina.about.com/od/eventsfestivals/a/NationalDay.htm JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks noozguru and John, very fascinating chart of China, very fascinating compatibility chart between China and USA. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/20/2013 11:33 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. Ann, The birth of a nation, a political system, an organization, and even a thought or idea is similar to the birth of an individual. In jyotish, the birth time is the point in time when the lagna occurs, meaning that this is the time the planets grasp the person or entity with its karmic quality. This can be interpreted by casting the horoscope of that specific time which shows the placement of the planets in the zodiac. IMO, in using the concepts in modern day quantum physics, the ascendant determines the special combination of wave functions from the various planets which interacts with the wave function of the person or entity in question. We can also say the ascendant is the superposition of all the wave functions of the planets as they relate to the individual's unique wave function or signature. This superposition of waves can be understood in human terms by using the ancient methods outlined in jyotish. In short, everything in the universe is related to each other. I hope this helps. JR Most astrologers would use the birth chart for the People's Republic of China: Beijing October 1st, 1949 3:01 PM AWST (-8:00) 116E25 39N55 (Time may have been rectified) Bhairitu, Share, and Ann, I'm not sure how this date and time was derived and if it is authentic. Nonetheless, in using this data, the ascendant of the People's Republic of China would be Capricorn with the Moon in the nakshatra of Uttara Shaddah. In making a cursory review of the charts of the USA and China, both nations have Kujadosha which facilitates in the cooperation and partnership between them. Since the Mars of China is in conjunction with the Venus of the USA in the 7th house, there is a very strong bond between the nations, almost bordering to a sexual orgy or attraction. Perhaps, this is the reason why both nations are in close trade agreement. A surprising feature of the China chart is the placement of Venus in Libra in the 10th house. This means that China will be very good in creativity, the fine arts, women's rights, female products, clothing, cars and international politics. JR
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--- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html For those with HBO, you might want to check out VICE episode 4 to find out what's up in China. The first half is about matchmaking in China because of it's one child policy. The reporter goes to Beijing to a fair where prospective husbands are trotted out for families who have single daughters. Quite a hoot but it does show how much China has copied US culture. Rich Chinese guys even buy billboards to advertise their wealth. See in China, it's all about money. Even better (and available on YouTube without HBO) is the episode 4 extra which shows how far Chinese business skills have gone selling plastic life like sex dolls (I won't provide a link since it would upset Alex and Yahoo but just search on YouTube for HBO VICE). VICE is a Bill Maher production and episodes show news stories that our fascist US news media won't show. Episode one is definitely rated NOT FOR BUCK as you will get to see what actually happens when bombs go off in foreign countries though it may not shock those of us who watch modern horror films or The Walking Dead. Anyway it is a great series and I've been catching up via Comcast VOD. Incidentally the second half of episode 4 is about economic protests in Europe. We could use a few of Spain's protesters to teach the US 99% how to handle things. OTOH, keep Greece's right wingers out of the US. Tied into that we learned about a study this week that says that strong men tend to be conservative and weak men liberal. Except I've known a few strong liberal who could kick conservative asses and it doesn't take into account some of the bow-tie conservatives. It says that conservative believe in working hard but of course that's because they don't know how to work smart like us liberals. But I sure wouldn't use mild-mannered Mr. Limpit Thom Hartmann as an example of anyone liberal (oops, Thom just seems to be a Democrat anymore). --- John jr_esq@... wrote: Bhairitu, Red China obviously believes in its own communist system to make the necessary social changes in order to obtain the most efficient and productive economy. In the short run, it may be producing good results for them. But as the Chinese people in the mainland become more affluent, they will be looking for something more personally satisfying than making money and products for the state. They may be looking for more freedom and human rights that the communist state is inherently not capable of handling, nor providing. IMO, there may be in the near future a revolution in China that is comparable to the demise of the Soviet Union, and the fall of the Berlin Wall. China is now a 'socialistic dictatorship' with a capitalist economy. At this trend, we could have two engines pulling the global economy, China and the US. The term 'communist' is now only a smokescreen to hide it's dictatorship.
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John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank. So it's in their self interest to help the US. You know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold. Is there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? When was China born?  Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.àSo it's in their self interest to help the US.àYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.àIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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Share, I don't have any credible source as to the natal chart of Red China. I would assume it would be the date and time when the People's Republic of China officially became the ruler of the country. I haven't researched this point yet. I'm sure it's available in the record books. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.àSo it's in their self interest to help the US.àYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.àIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? When was China born?  Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.àSo it's in their self interest to help the US.àYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.àIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Ann, Please, read my response to Share on this same thread. I'm surprised there's such interest in the chart of Red China. JR I have to be honest with you JR, I was kind of making a joke about it all (but you knew that). I mean, of all the countries, China is one of the most ancient and determining its actual moment of inception would be pretty hard to figure out. I do admire you, however, for two reasons: you seem to be a particularly nice fellow and your knowledge of Jyotish is extensive. However, I do find it comical (and it may well be because I am ignorant of the subject) but determining the astrological chart of anything other than a human being seems fairly absurd. However, I am prepared to be enlightened on why this is not necessarily so if this is not the case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, thank you for explaining this. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Any jyotish chart for China? When was China born?  Wonder how it compares to US. Good compatibility? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank.àSo it's in their self interest to help the US.àYou know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold.àIs there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit àShare, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.ÃâàBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.ÃâàMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Ãâà--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html For those with HBO, you might want to check out VICE episode 4 to find out what's up in China. The first half is about matchmaking in China because of it's one child policy. The reporter goes to Beijing to a fair where prospective husbands are trotted out for families who have single daughters. Quite a hoot but it does show how much China has copied US culture. Rich Chinese guys even buy billboards to advertise their wealth. See in China, it's all about money. Even better (and available on YouTube without HBO) is the episode 4 extra which shows how far Chinese business skills have gone selling plastic life like sex dolls (I won't provide a link since it would upset Alex and Yahoo but just search on YouTube for HBO VICE). VICE is a Bill Maher production and episodes show news stories that our fascist US news media won't show. Episode one is definitely rated NOT FOR BUCK as you will get to see what actually happens when bombs go off in foreign countries though it may not shock those of us who watch modern horror films or The Walking Dead. Anyway it is a great series and I've been catching up via Comcast VOD. Incidentally the second half of episode 4 is about economic protests in Europe. We could use a few of Spain's protesters to teach the US 99% how to handle things. OTOH, keep Greece's right wingers out of the US. Tied into that we learned about a study this week that says that strong men tend to be conservative and weak men liberal. Except I've known a few strong liberal who could kick conservative asses and it doesn't take into account some of the bow-tie conservatives. It says that conservative believe in working hard but of course that's because they don't know how to work smart like us liberals. But I sure wouldn't use mild-mannered Mr. Limpit Thom Hartmann as an example of anyone liberal (oops, Thom just seems to be a Democrat anymore). Bhairitu, Red China obviously believes in its own communist system to make the necessary social changes in order to obtain the most efficient and productive economy. In the short run, it may be producing good results for them. But as the Chinese people in the mainland become more affluent, they will be looking for something more personally satisfying than making money and products for the state. They may be looking for more freedom and human rights that the communist state is inherently not capable of handling, nor providing. IMO, there may be in the near future a revolution in China that is comparable to the demise of the Soviet Union, and the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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I've been greatly enjoying Vice, and thanks for not posting a link to the episode #4 extra about the sex doll factory. I found it easily on YouTube, and even though the naked figures were synthetic, it was too adult for this place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html For those with HBO, you might want to check out VICE episode 4 to find out what's up in China. The first half is about matchmaking in China because of it's one child policy. The reporter goes to Beijing to a fair where prospective husbands are trotted out for families who have single daughters. Quite a hoot but it does show how much China has copied US culture. Rich Chinese guys even buy billboards to advertise their wealth. See in China, it's all about money. Even better (and available on YouTube without HBO) is the episode 4 extra which shows how far Chinese business skills have gone selling plastic life like sex dolls (I won't provide a link since it would upset Alex and Yahoo but just search on YouTube for HBO VICE). VICE is a Bill Maher production and episodes show news stories that our fascist US news media won't show. Episode one is definitely rated NOT FOR BUCK as you will get to see what actually happens when bombs go off in foreign countries though it may not shock those of us who watch modern horror films or The Walking Dead. Anyway it is a great series and I've been catching up via Comcast VOD. Incidentally the second half of episode 4 is about economic protests in Europe. We could use a few of Spain's protesters to teach the US 99% how to handle things. OTOH, keep Greece's right wingers out of the US. Tied into that we learned about a study this week that says that strong men tend to be conservative and weak men liberal. Except I've known a few strong liberal who could kick conservative asses and it doesn't take into account some of the bow-tie conservatives. It says that conservative believe in working hard but of course that's because they don't know how to work smart like us liberals. But I sure wouldn't use mild-mannered Mr. Limpit Thom Hartmann as an example of anyone liberal (oops, Thom just seems to be a Democrat anymore).
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However that particular video would REALLY dispel myths about communism in China. I believe there are some US states that would not allow the manufacture of those dolls. On 05/18/2013 02:02 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: I've been greatly enjoying Vice, and thanks for not posting a link to the episode #4 extra about the sex doll factory. I found it easily on YouTube, and even though the naked figures were synthetic, it was too adult for this place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html For those with HBO, you might want to check out VICE episode 4 to find out what's up in China. The first half is about matchmaking in China because of it's one child policy. The reporter goes to Beijing to a fair where prospective husbands are trotted out for families who have single daughters. Quite a hoot but it does show how much China has copied US culture. Rich Chinese guys even buy billboards to advertise their wealth. See in China, it's all about money. Even better (and available on YouTube without HBO) is the episode 4 extra which shows how far Chinese business skills have gone selling plastic life like sex dolls (I won't provide a link since it would upset Alex and Yahoo but just search on YouTube for HBO VICE). VICE is a Bill Maher production and episodes show news stories that our fascist US news media won't show. Episode one is definitely rated NOT FOR BUCK as you will get to see what actually happens when bombs go off in foreign countries though it may not shock those of us who watch modern horror films or The Walking Dead. Anyway it is a great series and I've been catching up via Comcast VOD. Incidentally the second half of episode 4 is about economic protests in Europe. We could use a few of Spain's protesters to teach the US 99% how to handle things. OTOH, keep Greece's right wingers out of the US. Tied into that we learned about a study this week that says that strong men tend to be conservative and weak men liberal. Except I've known a few strong liberal who could kick conservative asses and it doesn't take into account some of the bow-tie conservatives. It says that conservative believe in working hard but of course that's because they don't know how to work smart like us liberals. But I sure wouldn't use mild-mannered Mr. Limpit Thom Hartmann as an example of anyone liberal (oops, Thom just seems to be a Democrat anymore).
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Yes, I wondered about that too. It doesn't sound so familiar these days. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers?
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Bhairitu: You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history So, I wonder what the Tibetans think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet Only five established religions are lawful in China and these five Communist Party-sanctioned religious groups are at odds with the atheist aspects of the official Marxist ideology. The vast majority of Chinese residents are considered to be irreligious. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. Falun Gong is meditation, both sitting and standing, and yoga poses; it is banned in China and is not possible to practice in large groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
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John, thanks for that clarification. I guess I assumed that Taiwan calls itself Taiwan rather than China. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet etc. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers? Judy, I'm using the term as title of convenience to differentiate mainland China from Taiwan, which also claims to be China. No, I'm not an extreme right-winger as you may be assuming. JR
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers? Judy, I'm using the term as title of convenience to differentiate mainland China from Taiwan, which also claims to be China. I seriously doubt anyone would be confused. I don't think many people assume you mean Taiwan when you say China. (In contexts where it might be really important to make that differentiation, you could always just use mainland China, as you do above.) No, I'm not an extreme right-winger as you may be assuming. The reason I mentioned it, John, is because I know you *aren't* an extreme right-winger and figured you might not want to give the impression that you are.
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On 05/15/2013 06:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu: You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history So, I wonder what the Tibetans think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet I heard the other side of the story from a writer of spiritual articles and books who said many Tibetans didn't like paying a tax to a theocracy. Only five established religions are lawful in China and these five Communist Party-sanctioned religious groups are at odds with the atheist aspects of the official Marxist ideology. The vast majority of Chinese residents are considered to be irreligious. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China I'm not into religion myself. Are you? The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. Falun Gong is meditation, both sitting and standing, and yoga poses; it is banned in China and is not possible to practice in large groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong I seem to recall the problem with Falun Gong was not the meditation but that it was becoming a cult movement. So how is TM doing in China?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
what a joke - I have friends living in Norway, native Norwegians and they tell me their politicians are as corrupt as any others in Europe From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/15/2013 10:35 AM, Jason wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Tell me, did the US start showing signs of 'Corporate Dictatorship' from the 1960's onwards. Eisenhower predicted something like that much before. China dumped the 'socialistic economic system' in 1979, but retained it's 'socialistic political system'. The 'corporate dictatorship' of the US is almost as worse as the 'communist dictatorship' of China. In fact, this is the real reason the communists hate the US. The Norwegian model is the most futuristic model. It has successfully eliminated corruption. However, they can much better on the economic front. There's always been a war since the founding of the US between the wealthy who wanted their serfs back and those who wanted a path of democracy free from the tyranny of greedy pompous landowners. The corporate dictatorship is known as neo-liberalism and the pirates of our economy are riding the waves high. They've put us in check with their Patriot Act making people fearful of acting against them. But we must act against them or live under tyranny. We just need to be very smart about it and fools have put so many STEM people out of work it should be easy to create a smart insurgency against them. Incidentally, I have often mentioned on FFL that Ridley Scott in his Blade Runner Final Cut commentary mentions that the world of Blade Runner is corporate communism. I've been sitting back lately watching both the right and left be manipulated into such an ugly world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Thanks for quoting that May be after watching the full movie at you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXSFfpXtd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXSFfpXtd0 some will reconsider the postings from Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:02 pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330663 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330663 Here a IMHO better synopsis that the OMDb one: Changhua Zhang and Suqin Chen are a couple from a rural village in China's Sichuan province. Frustrated with their lack of employment opportunities, they traveled to the industrial city of Guangdong and took jobs with a large textile firm, making clothing for export. However, Changhua and Suqin were not able to bring their two children with them, and since then the kids have been raised by their grandparents, with their mother and father staying in touch though occasional telephone calls. The only time they have a chance to see their now-teenage children is during China's annual New Year's celebration; they are among the 130 million Chinese whose work keeps them away from their families and make the trip home during the holiday, resulting in an overcrowded rail system as the trains struggle to keep up with the rush. Filmmaker Lixin Fan follows Changhua and Suqin over the course of several years in the documentary Last Train Home, as the couple makes the long journey home (over a thousand miles) only to find that their family is slowly falling apart -- 16-year-old Qin and her younger brother, Yang, are all but strangers now to their parents, and the youngsters have come to resent their parents, while Qin considers leaving school to move to the city on her own and get a job Going out in the morning passing the parks full of people playing Chi kung and Tai'Chi Cuan -can only giggle and smile about the often discussed Falun Dafa remarks made here at the Fairy Field adding to the friend of authors link read American POVWhat Is the Chinese Dream? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/what-is-the-chi\ nese-dream/256929/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/what-is-the-ch\ inese-dream/256929/ http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/china-takes-off/ http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/china-takes-off/ snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: snip You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
On 05/14/2013 01:21 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. On 05/14/2013 03:56 PM, John wrote: Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank. So it's in their self interest to help the US. You know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold. Is there anything to this idea? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer. But it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world. Meaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/14/2013 01:21 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future. You're assuming that China is still Red? It dumped a communist economic system some time ago. You might want to watch a movie called Last Train Home. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512201/ It'll give you an idea of what Iife is like in China and how it is different from the propaganda you've been fed about it. No it is no capitalist wonderland but not exactly a horrific police state either. But they're a bit disorganized since they know their workers will want to do this yearly trip back home and it is a mess. Bhairitu, Red China is technically still a communist state and forbids its citizens to believe in any religion other than the state itself. Obviously, the state has made adjustments to its original communist ideals and has become competitive in the world market. Whether they like it or not, their state probably has evolved into a mixed economy, although they may argue vehemently about being classified as such.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
The journalist James Fallows is a China expert and frequently has excellent blog posts at The Atlantic about various current China issues and also writes on China regularly for the magazine. Here's his blog: http://www.theatlantic.com/james-fallows/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You could enhance your understanding by looking up the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#Modern_history The 1978 Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees freedom of religion in Article 36. On 05/14/2013 03:56 PM, John wrote: Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA since we are a heavy consumer of goods that they manufacture. So, in that sense, they would prefer for the USA to stay afloat as a nation. They have also lent the US money to the tune of about one trillion dollars. So, they have a heavy investment in our country thinking that we can pay the interest for the loaned amount. If they didn't think we can pay for the loans, they could sell the bonds they're holding in the open market at any time. Most of the US national debt are actually owed to Americans themselves, such as the Social Security Fund, Medicare Funds, Private Investment Funds, State Funds, Union Funds and others. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What I've heard is that they think that if the US economy tanks, they tank. So it's in their self interest to help the US. You know, by not calling in all those markers of ours they hold. Is there anything to this idea? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit  Share, From what I understand they are still a communist nation which forbids any religion other than the state itself. Will they continue to practice the self interest of the state, a communist and atheistic one, may not be too good for the rest of the world. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John, I don't think their agenda is much of a secret any longer.àBut it will be interesting to see how connected they feel to the rest of the world.àMeaning will they practice wise self interest or unwise? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 05/14/2013 10:25 AM, John wrote: With the city on the verge of bankruptcy, the participation of Chinese auto industry in the area may be a welcome development. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-creating-auto-niche-within-012304652.html They US is already a wholly owned subsidiary of China. How's your Mandarin? I hear Chinese are starting to buy up houses in the US. Capitalism stinks. It's puzzling how a supposedly communist country of Red China can do so well with capitalism here in the USA and elsewhere in the world. Do they have a secret agenda of defeating capitalism at its own game? It would be interesting to see what Red China will develop into in the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese Taking Root in Detroit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, Red China obviously wants to trade with the USA John, are you aware that Red China is a cold war term that's virtually obsolete these days except among extreme right-wingers? Judy, I'm using the term as title of convenience to differentiate mainland China from Taiwan, which also claims to be China. No, I'm not an extreme right-winger as you may be assuming. JR
