subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: Congresswoman shot in Arizona"

Raunch,

Thanks for you on target reply to Tom.  He had similiar comments around the 
time of Hurricane Katrina.  And other instances before that.  It is one thing 
to hold an opposing view on an issue. But I think everyone knows when an 
opposing view turns into ugly and hateful speech.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever written on 
 FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but Tom's bigotry stinks up the 
 place so badly he ought to be band for hate speech, disgusting racism and for 
 applauding the attempted murder of a congresswoman.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
  Throw your hands up in the air, curse the Second Amendment as much as you
  want.  The people of Ottumwa, IA don't want a little Mexico, they don't want
  to be forced to be bilingual if they want to work in Wells Fargo Bank.
  Never, ever, have I gone to Mexico and been given a choice of pushing 1 for
  Espanol, 2 for English.   
 
 This event was a small step forward in bringing
  America back to where it was and should once again be.
 
 This statement is sooo pathetically wrong. The worst of it is that Tom 
 condones murdering elected officials. Secondly, this is a tragic event that 
 moves America ever closer to becoming a police state in the name of security. 
 Elected officials, particularly progressive Democrats, will not be able to 
 make public appearances as freely in the future. Contrary to their delusion 
 of take back the country at the barrel of a gun, Tea Partiers brandishing 
 weapons at political events will ultimately bring the jackboot of the 
 government down on their necks. They will become the patriotic martyrs they 
 envision without realizing they have played right into the hands of 
 multi-national plutocrats who feed on power by controlling the masses. Tea 
 Partiers have been duped by idiots like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the 
 Koch brothers who have manipulated white people into ruining political 
 discourse, free speech and free access to representatives. All because they 
 fear of losing jobs to brown people. If you keep people fearful, hungry and 
 ignorant, it makes them easy prey for the rich and powerful and food for the 
 Big Brother meat grinder.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2cnya8v  
 http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/2011_a_brave_new_dystopia_20101227/
 
 Bringing America back to where it was in Tom's mind probably means gun 
 toting, god fearing, Christian whites only. Not only is this delusional, it 
 runs counter to the demographic trend saying we'll have more brown people 
 than white by 2050.
 
 ...the Hispanic-origin population would be the largest growing group. By 
 2000, the Hispanic-origin population may increase to 31 million, double its 
 1990 size by 2015, and quadruple its 1990 size by the middle of the next 
 century. In fact, the Hispanic-origin population would contribute 32 percent 
 of the Nation's population growth from 1990 to 2000, 39 percent from 2000 to 
 2010, 45 percent from 2010 to 2030, and 60 percent from 2030 to 2050.
 
 http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html  
 
   I bet I'll be forced
  to speak Spanish a lot less on Sunday in America as a result of this
  shooting.  It is amazing.  Every time a law for immigration punctuated  by
  spontaneous marches and demonstrations waving the green flag gets
  defeated, suddenly those who could not speak English reveal that they knew
  English all along. Little by little, we're taking the country back.   Next
  we show the Indians and Chinese how unwelcomed they are in this country.
  Drain Fairfield and Vedic City of their human cesspools.
  
  You want to see this as a random act of a deranged man.  Well it might be,
  it is also the shot across the bow.  Let racism stop hiding and let it
  prosper in America and let it not, in FFL or elsewhere, be seen as
  politically incorrect.   Let's start to take back the sensibility of
  America.
 
 
 I only wish this was satire. Sadly, it's not. Despicable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
 written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
 Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
 for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
 attempted murder of a congresswoman.  
 
Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let him back in 
and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more trouble than it's 
worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread WillyTex

Joe:
 Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that 
 list and immediately went to find it on the Palin site...

Isn't it just amazing how some people like Joe can take a
real tragedy and turn it into political propaganda?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread WillyTex



Joe:
 But it's these kind of statements and actions 
 (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
 that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
 feel they have the OK to go ahead...

If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
violence any minute!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

What a fucking idiot you are. Now you can join Willy in my no show list here. 
See ya sport.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 Throw your hands up in the air, curse the Second Amendment as much as you
 want.  The people of Ottumwa, IA don't want a little Mexico, they don't want
 to be forced to be bilingual if they want to work in Wells Fargo Bank.
 Never, ever, have I gone to Mexico and been given a choice of pushing 1 for
 Espanol, 2 for English.   This event was a small step forward in bringing
 America back to where it was and should once again be.  I bet I'll be forced
 to speak Spanish a lot less on Sunday in America as a result of this
 shooting.  It is amazing.  Every time a law for immigration punctuated  by
 spontaneous marches and demonstrations waving the green flag gets
 defeated, suddenly those who could not speak English reveal that they knew
 English all along. Little by little, we're taking the country back.   Next
 we show the Indians and Chinese how unwelcomed they are in this country.
 Drain Fairfield and Vedic City of their human cesspools.
 
 You want to see this as a random act of a deranged man.  Well it might be,
 it is also the shot across the bow.  Let racism stop hiding and let it
 prosper in America and let it not, in FFL or elsewhere, be seen as
 politically incorrect.   Let's start to take back the sensibility of
 America.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
 Joe:
  But it's these kind of statements and actions 
  (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
  that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
  feel they have the OK to go ahead...
 
 If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
 who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
 to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
 violence any minute!


In fact...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

People who grew up with TV are pretty used to passively watching violence. The 
stronger influence are the first person shooting video games, where you can 
kill or be killed, and all it takes is a click of the reset button for 
everyone to be alive again. No consequences. A pretty warped model compared 
to reality.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
 Joe:
  But it's these kind of statements and actions 
  (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
  that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
  feel they have the OK to go ahead...
 
 If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
 who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
 to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
 violence any minute!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread docwhammo

Tsk tsk, kids these days...  

and did you know that rock and roll is the devil's music?

Oh sweet Jesus, come back and purify our sinful world!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 People who grew up with TV are pretty used to passively watching violence. 
 The stronger influence are the first person shooting video games, where you 
 can kill or be killed, and all it takes is a click of the reset button 
 for everyone to be alive again. No consequences. A pretty warped model 
 compared to reality.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  Joe:
   But it's these kind of statements and actions 
   (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
   that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
   feel they have the OK to go ahead...
  
  If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
  who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
  to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
  violence any minute!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Hey Tom,

I don't know where you live, but here in the SF Bay Area, as a white guy, I am 
nearly always in the minority, in the streets, in shops, anywhere. We have 
Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Nicaraguan, Indian, Pacific Islanders, Korean, 
Japanese, etc. Nobody here minds. It is like home to me, since I grew up among 
brown people as you call them. My daughter is half-Hispanic too. 

I assure you, there is nothing to be terrified of. People are people. Any fear 
comes from a fear of one's own integrity, as you are demonstrating. Anyway, I 
hope you broaden your thinking soon and remove yourself from the racist trap 
you find yourself in. Maybe take a trip to San Francisco and see that it is not 
only a breathtakingly beautiful city, but quite normal.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 Throw your hands up in the air, curse the Second Amendment as much as you
 want.  The people of Ottumwa, IA don't want a little Mexico, they don't want
 to be forced to be bilingual if they want to work in Wells Fargo Bank.
 Never, ever, have I gone to Mexico and been given a choice of pushing 1 for
 Espanol, 2 for English.   This event was a small step forward in bringing
 America back to where it was and should once again be.  I bet I'll be forced
 to speak Spanish a lot less on Sunday in America as a result of this
 shooting.  It is amazing.  Every time a law for immigration punctuated  by
 spontaneous marches and demonstrations waving the green flag gets
 defeated, suddenly those who could not speak English reveal that they knew
 English all along. Little by little, we're taking the country back.   Next
 we show the Indians and Chinese how unwelcomed they are in this country.
 Drain Fairfield and Vedic City of their human cesspools.
 
 You want to see this as a random act of a deranged man.  Well it might be,
 it is also the shot across the bow.  Let racism stop hiding and let it
 prosper in America and let it not, in FFL or elsewhere, be seen as
 politically incorrect.   Let's start to take back the sensibility of
 America.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

I would certainly support banning this jerk off. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
  written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
  Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
  for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
  attempted murder of a congresswoman.  
  
 Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let him back 
 in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more trouble than 
 it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  It's Arizona, but remember, it's a dry hate.
 
 Thanks, Joe. Best comment in the thread so far
 because at least it's funny. 

And goodness knows, a thread about 18 people being
shot, and six of them killed, including a nine-year-
old girl, isn't worth spit unless it's full of yucks.

snip
 It's like everyone has caught ACD (American 
 Newscaster Disease). That's where you talk, 
 talk, talk endlessly because you're more 
 terrified of dead air and saying nothing
 than you are of appearing a fool by talking 
 endlessly without knowing any facts.

Actually, by the time we started discussing it
here, we knew quite a few facts. (Except, of
course, for Barry's pal Sal, who sadly, very
sadly announced that Giffords had died well
after that initial incorrect report had been
retracted, and after several of the first posts
here made it clear that Giffords had survived.
Oddly enough, we haven't yet seen a follow-up
post from Sal expressing her relief that Giffords
hadn't died.)

 A similar thing happened with the big chemical
 fire here in the Netherlands recently. All news
 outlets basically had the same wire story to work
 with, which contained almost no hard facts about
 the nature of the smoke and whether it was toxic.
 But the liberal media spun the story in terms 
 of disaster and imminent evacuations (none were
 ever performed or even considered), while the
 conservative media spun the story in terms of
 big business is taking care of things...don't
 worry.

Well, it isn't similar, actually. The media here
weren't doing anything like this.

 The first hard facts I was able to get
 on the story came, interestingly enough, from
 a Chinese news agency. They were literally the
 first to wait until they had all the facts and
 thus get the story right.

It would be really interesting to have a link to
this story from the Chinese news agency. Somehow
I doubt Barry will be able to provide one.

But even if we take Barry at his word that he saw
such a story, his characterization of it is absurd.
His Chinese news agency was certainly not the
first to make hard facts available. Whatever hard
facts Barry saw in the Chinese news agency story
had been reported here already. CNN had reported,
for instance, that Giffords had survived around
3:30 yesterday afternoon.

Plus which, nobody, either here or in China, has
all the facts yet, nowhere near.

And how can a news agency be the first to wait...?
The phrase doesn't make any sense.

Barry apparently thinks that news organizations
should withhold any reporting on a major story
until all the facts are known. That's so ludicrous
it doesn't merit any comment.

Barry's entire substanceless post is really just
an excuse for bashing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A racist is a 
racist. It doesn't rub off.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
  written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
  Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
  for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
  attempted murder of a congresswoman.  
  
 Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let him back 
 in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more trouble than 
 it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 What a fucking idiot you are. Now you can join Willy in my no show list
 here. See ya sport.


Fine with me.  That was one of my best wundertrolls ever.  Man it got so
many of you hot under the collar.  Y'all acted as I expected you would.  Our
NO chief isn't subscribed right now, but I could probably post his reply for
him, he and y'all are so predictable.

One April Fools day Gmail announced a feature in its Gmail Labs section
allowing you to enable canned responses to emails, saving you the time of
having to actually reply to people.  Basically, it gleaned your typical
reply to certain topics then composed and mailed back very plausible
responses to the email you received.   I think it would be interesting to
set up some AI that would simulate the posting on FFL, including the
relatively new addition, the blind, deaf and dumb Christian or Maharishi
devote lobbing emails containing bible quotes or saying they loved Maharishi
and the effects of twenty years of doing TM so much that they wanted to both
show their gratitude to him and also grow their meditation by getting people
to give out their advanced techniques to him.  One tip off here is that they
say they're using FFL to learn English or they don't understand because
they're using a text translator.

Why stop at accusing me of condoning the murder of public officials?  Why
not place me at the scene.  No, before the scene.  Why not have me coaching
the murderer of both public officials and the English language?  Surly I
also purchased the firearms and trained the guys in their use?

Ha ha.  I can see the fun Barry gets out of pushing buttons.  Rattle cages,
get salvo after salvo of holier than thou accusations fired at you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

lol- not what I said at all, but you appear to be quite pleased with your 
extrapolation. Enjoy!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, docwhammo docwha...@... wrote:

 Tsk tsk, kids these days...  
 
 and did you know that rock and roll is the devil's music?
 
 Oh sweet Jesus, come back and purify our sinful world!
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  People who grew up with TV are pretty used to passively watching violence. 
  The stronger influence are the first person shooting video games, where you 
  can kill or be killed, and all it takes is a click of the reset button 
  for everyone to be alive again. No consequences. A pretty warped model 
  compared to reality.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
  
   
   
   Joe:
But it's these kind of statements and actions 
(putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
feel they have the OK to go ahead...
   
   If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
   who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
   to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
   violence any minute!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread docwhammo

I am not just pleased, but ridiculously thrilled with my own viewpoints. I 
revel in their impervious nature.  The feedback is so intense... it's better 
than sex!  How could you NOT enjoy that?

lololololololololololololololololololo

fuck!! my keyb ard br ke...

:(\

damn it happened again!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 lol- not what I said at all, but you appear to be quite pleased with your 
 extrapolation. Enjoy!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, docwhammo docwhammo@ wrote:
 
  Tsk tsk, kids these days...  
  
  and did you know that rock and roll is the devil's music?
  
  Oh sweet Jesus, come back and purify our sinful world!
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   People who grew up with TV are pretty used to passively watching 
   violence. The stronger influence are the first person shooting video 
   games, where you can kill or be killed, and all it takes is a click 
   of the reset button for everyone to be alive again. No consequences. A 
   pretty warped model compared to reality.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
   


Joe:
 But it's these kind of statements and actions 
 (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
 that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
 feel they have the OK to go ahead...

If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
violence any minute!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Business 101 dude:

You are blaming the puppets, not the play. 

BBC World Service, Radio Canada International, Radio Free Europe, Radio France 
Internationale, and Deutsche Welle (Germany) for example are all publicly 
funded, hence the broadcasting style is much more matter-of-fact. 

Most of the news in the USA is reported by members of corporations, owned by 
stockholders, who demand ever increasing profits. This profit motive makes the 
mission of the news reporter completely different, since they are trying to 
wrest your attention away from any other news program, and keep you watching 
until the commercials come on.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:
 
  It's like everyone has caught ACD (American 
  Newscaster Disease). That's where you talk, 
  talk, talk endlessly because you're more 
  terrified of dead air and saying nothing
  than you are of appearing a fool by talking 
  endlessly without knowing any facts.
 
 My bad on the acronym above. I was originally
 thinking American Commentator Disease, 
 changed horses in midstream, and then forgot
 to go back and change the initials.
 
 Still, isn't it true? I really haven't found
 non-American media to be as prone to the It's
 the biggest story out there and we know nothing
 whatsoever about it, but we have to keep talking
 anyway syndrome. They report what they know,
 but then STFU until they know more.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread Bhairitu

Not to mention the local usually also corporate owned paper will think 
about those full page ads that the banks buy in their paper and ignore 
the police reports about people in foreclosure committing suicide 
(estimated at around 65 people per day).

On 01/09/2011 10:18 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:
 Business 101 dude:

 You are blaming the puppets, not the play.

 BBC World Service, Radio Canada International, Radio Free Europe, Radio 
 France Internationale, and Deutsche Welle (Germany) for example are all 
 publicly funded, hence the broadcasting style is much more matter-of-fact.

 Most of the news in the USA is reported by members of corporations, owned by 
 stockholders, who demand ever increasing profits. This profit motive makes 
 the mission of the news reporter completely different, since they are trying 
 to wrest your attention away from any other news program, and keep you 
 watching until the commercials come on.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseBturquoi...@...  wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseBturquoiseb@  wrote:
 It's like everyone has caught ACD (American
 Newscaster Disease). That's where you talk,
 talk, talk endlessly because you're more
 terrified of dead air and saying nothing
 than you are of appearing a fool by talking
 endlessly without knowing any facts.
 My bad on the acronym above. I was originally
 thinking American Commentator Disease,
 changed horses in midstream, and then forgot
 to go back and change the initials.

 Still, isn't it true? I really haven't found
 non-American media to be as prone to the It's
 the biggest story out there and we know nothing
 whatsoever about it, but we have to keep talking
 anyway syndrome. They report what they know,
 but then STFU until they know more.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:
 Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

Ban him?  On what basis?  Is this forum not able to process  this degree
of hate speech? I mean, for me, there comes a point where banning is
justified but I don't think we've reached that point. Maybe my threshold
is too high.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 I would certainly support banning this jerk off.   anyone else Joe?







 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
  
   Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
   written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
   Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
   for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
   attempted murder of a congresswoman.
 
  Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:
 Ha ha. I can see the fun Barry gets out of pushing buttons. Rattle
cages,
 get salvo after salvo of holier than thou accusations fired at you.

But what to do when the high wears off?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:38 AM, whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Tom,

 I don't know where you live,


Austin,  Republic of Texas



 but here in the SF Bay Area, as a white guy, I am nearly always in the
 minority, in the streets, in shops, anywhere. We have Chinese, Vietnamese,
 Mexican, Nicaraguan, Indian, Pacific Islanders, Korean, Japanese, etc.
 Nobody here minds. It is like home to me, since I grew up among brown
 people as you call them. My daughter is half-Hispanic too.


Yes.  I was on assignment at Bechtel and lived on Russian Hill for 2 years.
I was a minority.  Even amongst white people I was a minority.  I'm hetero.
And we all fit in.  I used to go to Original Joes in the Tenderloin.
Chinese, Vietnamese, trannies with stubble on their chins.  It all made
sense, it all fit in.  I used to go into the Castro district to get my hair
cut.  The walls of the barbershop were festooned with fully functional
whips, chains and leather slings.  I was the only one in the barber shop not
wearing a lumberjack shirt and jeans.  I never, ever thought of myself as a
minority tho of course I was.  Never felt threatened.  Everybody was there
to make it, enjoy life, further life for themselves and their kids.  There
was very little racial hate directed at me by blacks or Mexicans or Chinese
or anyone.  Not having the constant hate directed at me, I didn't have a
chip on my shoulder.

I have some most amazing tales to tell.  Like walking in Winter from my
apartment on Russian Hill through China town (before I learned the sidhis
and had to drive back and forth because I had to go to the China basin to
open and run the flying room).  In the dawn, I would see hundreds of
gigantic praying mantises in the postage stamp sized parks in Chinatown.  As
I got closer, I saw that these were Chinese ancients doing their morning Tai
Chi.  My heart overflowed.  Coming back after dinner and perhaps a date, I'd
pass through Chinatown and see all of these Chinese ancients going through
the dumpsters.  The shopkeepers very carefully placed the boxes of perfectly
good produce and other foodstuffs they couldn't sell that day in boxes in
the dumpsters.  They knew exactly what was happening to the food.  It was
all neatly put in the dumpsters so it wouldn't get contaminated.  The
ancients all had cloth bags they filled with the perfectly good food they
took home to cook.  Sometimes I took the bus.  What a trip.  People with
live ducks and chickens, on their way home to dinner.   It all made sense,
nobody got in anybody else's face.  It was great.

I grew up in such an ethnically diverse area I'd look out and see
synagogues, churches with every kind of cross imaginable.  At least 14
different languages spoken.  Jews would ask my father if he had jewed the
furniture store salesman down.  The best Jew jokes I ever heard were told by
Jews over blintzes and borscht.  The nastiest nigga jokes were told by, eh,
well, you get the idea.   And I do see this fitting in a lot more in
traditional neighborhoods.  I'm amused to go to traditional parts of old
towns and see Mexicans, the latest immigrants, going to St. Stanislav's or
St. Patrick's catholic church.  The churches stayed, the immigrants moved
outward and onward to be replaced by the latest immigrants.





 I assure you, there is nothing to be terrified of. People are people. Any
 fear comes from a fear of one's own integrity, as you are demonstrating.
 Anyway, I hope you broaden your thinking soon and remove yourself from the
 racist trap you find yourself in. Maybe take a trip to San Francisco and see
 that it is not only a breathtakingly beautiful city, but quite normal.


Actually, I'm not happy when someone comes in and announces they are taking
their country back, as happens here in Texas.  I'm in IT.  I'm not at all
happy with having to put up with Indians and Chinese who believe they own
the IT industry right here in Texas.   Or by having so many Indians in IT
that the Art of Living Center is pretty much Bangalore East.  At first I was
welcomed.  Now I'm increasingly showing I'm not gushing, so I'm ignored.
Plus, I don't speak Hindi.

I would love to return to San Francisco.  But you see, I got spoiled.  I was
on expenses.  And those were days when if you glanced at the street, traffic
would come to a screeching halt in all directions.   And it was a time in
which being in engineering or IT and being white didn't bring with it Not
invited here.   Though I had a girlfriend, well, it sure was easy to meet
women there.  I remember the many times I'd sit in a bar or cocktail lounge
with a business associate or buddy.  It was subtle, but ever there.  When a
couple walked by, all eyes were on where my companion and my eyes went.
Check out the woman, drinks appear, from a table with women.  That worked,
mostly.  Once got free drinks from a table full of trannies.   They weren't,
ah, our type.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.netwrote:




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:
  Ha ha. I can see the fun Barry gets out of pushing buttons. Rattle cages,
  get salvo after salvo of holier than thou accusations fired at you.
 
 But what to do when the high wears off?


Hey.  I like to have fun.  I like to poke fun.  I love to poke fun at
myself.  I didn't get a high from rattling cages.  So nothing's worn off.  I
found it very instructive.  Mostly, about me.  The instructive part is how
much I am part of this group but not of it.  How I don't care about the
wrath or love or whatever I elicit here.  I keep poking this new thing
that's been dawning on me for so very long but since a few months ago, like
say 21 August, has become very palpable.  Day and night, active or settled,
I knead this dough stuff.  I'm actively punching it, folding it, rolling it,
flouring it, kneading it.  Then I take the dough, put it on a sheet or in a
pan.  It sticks a bit as I drop it and sometimes it's a bit wet and I have
to peel it off me.  But there it is.  And there I am.  And there's no dough
left on my hands.  It's an interesting experience best groked with
experiments.  Throw something out, see how much into it but not of it you
were.   I have a very good singing voice.  I range from tenor to baritone.
Perhaps I should record a Youtube of myself singing As Long as He Kneads Me.

I have no idea what motivates Vaj or Barry.  I could never grok what
motivates them.  I could never attain what they have.  I only worship the
very quicksand upon which they tread.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread tartbrain


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  Ha ha. I can see the fun Barry gets out of pushing buttons. Rattle
 cages,
  get salvo after salvo of holier than thou accusations fired at you.
 
 But what to do when the high wears off?


As Ramana would say (as I understand, corrections welcomed) Is it present? -- 
that is, is it permanent. Said to some bhakti saints delerious in their praise 
of things celestial in their celestial visions.

Or as Janis Joplin (and BBatHC) said (via alblum name are these Cheap 
Thrills.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread Vaj


On Jan 8, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Joe wrote:

 I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every week day. I do 
 it to get an idea of what the right wing talking points of the day will be. 
 It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card 
 (he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests 
 that the ends justify any action.


I typically listen to part of the end of Glenn Beck and the beginning of Rush 
Limbaugh. But some days, I can't. I found it gives me heartburn.

Howie Carr (a Boston columnist and radio host) is on during my ride home from 
work. Carr's more intelligent than either of the aforementioned, but 
increasingly infuriating to listen to. It seems the disinformation campaign 
that is Fox News, carries over into these other idiots, giving right-wingers a 
seemingly homogeneous news blend, built on fables, in effect empowering an 
entire segment of society with reinforced lies. I mean if you hear news in one 
place and then in another place, it's got to be right, right?

Several of my elderly neighbors have the Fox News channel on all day long. It 
is THE source for their news and their view of the world. Very scary.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread Vaj


On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Joe wrote:

 He's certainly unhinged, but that's kind of the point. When this atmosphere 
 of do what you have to, by whatever means, arm yourselves, take the 
 country back from the evil one who is not like uswhen all of that is 
 going on, the unhinged tend to perk right up and can easily interpret this as 
 the go signal.
 
 When you add the religious element to it, as Beck so often does, you now have 
 a God is on our side thing to deal with.
 
 BTW, I read the info on this guy, and watched the tapesI certainly got an 
 anti-immigration feel.
 
 We'll know a lot more in the coming weeks I'm sure.


I wonder if he has any militia ties?

Militias are rampant in New England, where they're even marching in parades 
now, dressed like soldiers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread John

It's fairly expensive to live here in SF.  You need to have a high paying job 
to stay in the chic neigborhoods, like Russian Hill.  Or, you can run business 
with high income potential.  If not, you're better off staying in Texas.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:38 AM, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
 
  Hey Tom,
 
  I don't know where you live,
 
 
 Austin,  Republic of Texas
 
 
 
  but here in the SF Bay Area, as a white guy, I am nearly always in the
  minority, in the streets, in shops, anywhere. We have Chinese, Vietnamese,
  Mexican, Nicaraguan, Indian, Pacific Islanders, Korean, Japanese, etc.
  Nobody here minds. It is like home to me, since I grew up among brown
  people as you call them. My daughter is half-Hispanic too.
 
 
 Yes.  I was on assignment at Bechtel and lived on Russian Hill for 2 years.
 I was a minority.  Even amongst white people I was a minority.  I'm hetero.
 And we all fit in.  I used to go to Original Joes in the Tenderloin.
 Chinese, Vietnamese, trannies with stubble on their chins.  It all made
 sense, it all fit in.  I used to go into the Castro district to get my hair
 cut.  The walls of the barbershop were festooned with fully functional
 whips, chains and leather slings.  I was the only one in the barber shop not
 wearing a lumberjack shirt and jeans.  I never, ever thought of myself as a
 minority tho of course I was.  Never felt threatened.  Everybody was there
 to make it, enjoy life, further life for themselves and their kids.  There
 was very little racial hate directed at me by blacks or Mexicans or Chinese
 or anyone.  Not having the constant hate directed at me, I didn't have a
 chip on my shoulder.
 
 I have some most amazing tales to tell.  Like walking in Winter from my
 apartment on Russian Hill through China town (before I learned the sidhis
 and had to drive back and forth because I had to go to the China basin to
 open and run the flying room).  In the dawn, I would see hundreds of
 gigantic praying mantises in the postage stamp sized parks in Chinatown.  As
 I got closer, I saw that these were Chinese ancients doing their morning Tai
 Chi.  My heart overflowed.  Coming back after dinner and perhaps a date, I'd
 pass through Chinatown and see all of these Chinese ancients going through
 the dumpsters.  The shopkeepers very carefully placed the boxes of perfectly
 good produce and other foodstuffs they couldn't sell that day in boxes in
 the dumpsters.  They knew exactly what was happening to the food.  It was
 all neatly put in the dumpsters so it wouldn't get contaminated.  The
 ancients all had cloth bags they filled with the perfectly good food they
 took home to cook.  Sometimes I took the bus.  What a trip.  People with
 live ducks and chickens, on their way home to dinner.   It all made sense,
 nobody got in anybody else's face.  It was great.
 
 I grew up in such an ethnically diverse area I'd look out and see
 synagogues, churches with every kind of cross imaginable.  At least 14
 different languages spoken.  Jews would ask my father if he had jewed the
 furniture store salesman down.  The best Jew jokes I ever heard were told by
 Jews over blintzes and borscht.  The nastiest nigga jokes were told by, eh,
 well, you get the idea.   And I do see this fitting in a lot more in
 traditional neighborhoods.  I'm amused to go to traditional parts of old
 towns and see Mexicans, the latest immigrants, going to St. Stanislav's or
 St. Patrick's catholic church.  The churches stayed, the immigrants moved
 outward and onward to be replaced by the latest immigrants.
 
 
 
 
 
  I assure you, there is nothing to be terrified of. People are people. Any
  fear comes from a fear of one's own integrity, as you are demonstrating.
  Anyway, I hope you broaden your thinking soon and remove yourself from the
  racist trap you find yourself in. Maybe take a trip to San Francisco and see
  that it is not only a breathtakingly beautiful city, but quite normal.
 
 
 Actually, I'm not happy when someone comes in and announces they are taking
 their country back, as happens here in Texas.  I'm in IT.  I'm not at all
 happy with having to put up with Indians and Chinese who believe they own
 the IT industry right here in Texas.   Or by having so many Indians in IT
 that the Art of Living Center is pretty much Bangalore East.  At first I was
 welcomed.  Now I'm increasingly showing I'm not gushing, so I'm ignored.
 Plus, I don't speak Hindi.
 
 I would love to return to San Francisco.  But you see, I got spoiled.  I was
 on expenses.  And those were days when if you glanced at the street, traffic
 would come to a screeching halt in all directions.   And it was a time in
 which being in engineering or IT and being white didn't bring with it Not
 invited here.   Though I had a girlfriend, well, it sure was easy to meet
 women there.  I remember the many times I'd sit in a bar or cocktail lounge
 with a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread WillyTex

   But it's these kind of statements and actions 
   (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
   that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
   feel they have the OK to go ahead...
  
  If your theory is true, then a lot of people here 
  who watch TV, movies, and view cartoons are going 
  to be coming loose at the seems and explode into 
  violence any minute!
 
Lawson:
 In fact...
 
The images long described as crosshairs or rifle 
sights were actually just surveyor's symbols...

The Atlantic, January 9, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/2dcwj6b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread emptybill


Yep ... let's do it right. Content is everything.
Why talk at all if it isn't the correct kind?

How about if instead of just Alex alone, Raunch and Joe also become
moderators? That way they can control the content and make sure it is
acceptable.

They can penalize fucking idiots. Joe can start with Willy. Joe will
take pleasure in it.

Yep ... you can take the heart out of the commissar but not the
commissar out of the heart.



Let's do it!
Left is right and right is wrong.
It is just so simple.

***


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@...
wrote:

 I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A racist
is a racist. It doesn't rub off.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
  
   Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
   written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
   Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
   for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
   attempted murder of a congresswoman.
 
  Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

All sounds great - Because of the hills in SF, I find going to  Chinatown is 
the closest to visiting Hong Kong without going there. Every time I drive up to 
SF it is an adventure. The Bay Area too is so full of micro environments that 
you can easily experience whatever you want here, coast, rural, urban, 
mountains. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:38 AM, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
 
  Hey Tom,
 
  I don't know where you live,
 
 
 Austin,  Republic of Texas
 
 
 
  but here in the SF Bay Area, as a white guy, I am nearly always in the
  minority, in the streets, in shops, anywhere. We have Chinese, Vietnamese,
  Mexican, Nicaraguan, Indian, Pacific Islanders, Korean, Japanese, etc.
  Nobody here minds. It is like home to me, since I grew up among brown
  people as you call them. My daughter is half-Hispanic too.
 
 
 Yes.  I was on assignment at Bechtel and lived on Russian Hill for 2 years.
 I was a minority.  Even amongst white people I was a minority.  I'm hetero.
 And we all fit in.  I used to go to Original Joes in the Tenderloin.
 Chinese, Vietnamese, trannies with stubble on their chins.  It all made
 sense, it all fit in.  I used to go into the Castro district to get my hair
 cut.  The walls of the barbershop were festooned with fully functional
 whips, chains and leather slings.  I was the only one in the barber shop not
 wearing a lumberjack shirt and jeans.  I never, ever thought of myself as a
 minority tho of course I was.  Never felt threatened.  Everybody was there
 to make it, enjoy life, further life for themselves and their kids.  There
 was very little racial hate directed at me by blacks or Mexicans or Chinese
 or anyone.  Not having the constant hate directed at me, I didn't have a
 chip on my shoulder.
 
 I have some most amazing tales to tell.  Like walking in Winter from my
 apartment on Russian Hill through China town (before I learned the sidhis
 and had to drive back and forth because I had to go to the China basin to
 open and run the flying room).  In the dawn, I would see hundreds of
 gigantic praying mantises in the postage stamp sized parks in Chinatown.  As
 I got closer, I saw that these were Chinese ancients doing their morning Tai
 Chi.  My heart overflowed.  Coming back after dinner and perhaps a date, I'd
 pass through Chinatown and see all of these Chinese ancients going through
 the dumpsters.  The shopkeepers very carefully placed the boxes of perfectly
 good produce and other foodstuffs they couldn't sell that day in boxes in
 the dumpsters.  They knew exactly what was happening to the food.  It was
 all neatly put in the dumpsters so it wouldn't get contaminated.  The
 ancients all had cloth bags they filled with the perfectly good food they
 took home to cook.  Sometimes I took the bus.  What a trip.  People with
 live ducks and chickens, on their way home to dinner.   It all made sense,
 nobody got in anybody else's face.  It was great.
 
 I grew up in such an ethnically diverse area I'd look out and see
 synagogues, churches with every kind of cross imaginable.  At least 14
 different languages spoken.  Jews would ask my father if he had jewed the
 furniture store salesman down.  The best Jew jokes I ever heard were told by
 Jews over blintzes and borscht.  The nastiest nigga jokes were told by, eh,
 well, you get the idea.   And I do see this fitting in a lot more in
 traditional neighborhoods.  I'm amused to go to traditional parts of old
 towns and see Mexicans, the latest immigrants, going to St. Stanislav's or
 St. Patrick's catholic church.  The churches stayed, the immigrants moved
 outward and onward to be replaced by the latest immigrants.
 
 
 
 
 
  I assure you, there is nothing to be terrified of. People are people. Any
  fear comes from a fear of one's own integrity, as you are demonstrating.
  Anyway, I hope you broaden your thinking soon and remove yourself from the
  racist trap you find yourself in. Maybe take a trip to San Francisco and see
  that it is not only a breathtakingly beautiful city, but quite normal.
 
 
 Actually, I'm not happy when someone comes in and announces they are taking
 their country back, as happens here in Texas.  I'm in IT.  I'm not at all
 happy with having to put up with Indians and Chinese who believe they own
 the IT industry right here in Texas.   Or by having so many Indians in IT
 that the Art of Living Center is pretty much Bangalore East.  At first I was
 welcomed.  Now I'm increasingly showing I'm not gushing, so I'm ignored.
 Plus, I don't speak Hindi.
 
 I would love to return to San Francisco.  But you see, I got spoiled.  I was
 on expenses.  And those were days when if you glanced at the street, traffic
 would come to a screeching halt in all directions.   And it was a time in
 which being in engineering or IT and being white didn't bring with it Not
 invited here.   Though I had a girlfriend, well, it sure was easy to meet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Better yet, let's decree all posting must be by committee. We could witness in 
action the growth of the bureaucracy, leading to a far less productive 
environment. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 
 Yep ... let's do it right. Content is everything.
 Why talk at all if it isn't the correct kind?
 
 How about if instead of just Alex alone, Raunch and Joe also become
 moderators? That way they can control the content and make sure it is
 acceptable.
 
 They can penalize fucking idiots. Joe can start with Willy. Joe will
 take pleasure in it.
 
 Yep ... you can take the heart out of the commissar but not the
 commissar out of the heart.
 
 
 
 Let's do it!
 Left is right and right is wrong.
 It is just so simple.
 
 ***
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
 wrote:
 
  I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A racist
 is a racist. It doesn't rub off.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
   
Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
attempted murder of a congresswoman.
  
   Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
 him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
 trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 I have no idea what motivates Vaj or Barry.  I could never grok what
 motivates them.  I only worship the very quicksand upon which they tread.


Haha, very funny ! :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread Bhairitu

How do you find parking in SF?  I always think they ought to rename the 
city no parking.  Hence I almost NEVER go there.  In fact most folks 
who live in the East Bay never like to cross that bridge. :-D


On 01/09/2011 01:40 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
 All sounds great - Because of the hills in SF, I find going to  Chinatown is 
 the closest to visiting Hong Kong without going there. Every time I drive up 
 to SF it is an adventure. The Bay Area too is so full of micro environments 
 that you can easily experience whatever you want here, coast, rural, urban, 
 mountains.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 How do you find parking in SF?  I always think they ought to rename the
 city no parking.  Hence I almost NEVER go there.  In fact most folks
 who live in the East Bay never like to cross that bridge. :-D

 I walked, took taxis, took BART.  Heck it's not such a big place.  The only
problem is that wherever you want to go, it's pretty much uphill, in both
directions.

When I lived there, directions to someplace always included an estimate of
the time to park.  So you'd be told that it's 20 minutes to City Haul, 45
minutes to find a parking place.

I doubt this has changed.  Want to go into the city on the weekend?  Take
grandma's car.  That's right, the one with the handicapped parking
stickers/plates.  'Cept don't slow yourselves down by taking grandma with
you.  I saw it thousands of times.

I lived in a condo overlooking the bay.  It was a bitch parking the car in
the parking garage, since it was built to house carriages.  Still had the
old turnstile in it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread raunchydog



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 
 Yep ... let's do it right. Content is everything.
 Why talk at all if it isn't the correct kind?
 
 How about if instead of just Alex alone, Raunch and Joe also become
 moderators? That way they can control the content and make sure it is
 acceptable.
 
 They can penalize fucking idiots. Joe can start with Willy. Joe will
 take pleasure in it.
 
 Yep ... you can take the heart out of the commissar but not the
 commissar out of the heart.
 
 
 
 Let's do it!
 Left is right and right is wrong.
 It is just so simple.
 
 ***
 

Tom now claims he was just pushing buttons, trolling for a reaction, as does 
Barry about TM. I don't believe him. He hasn't retracted a single word of 
anything he wrote. Race baiting for the hell of it is offensive and down right 
creepy.

I'm not interested in banning Tom on anyone else. Calling folks out on lies or 
racism on FFLife is good enough, then let the readers agree or disagree. I 
don't believe in censorship. Anyway, it's easy to wiggle out of racist or 
sexist comments. All the offender has to say is, Ha Ha...gotcha, just jerking 
your chain. Tom's racist post was utterly disgusting whether he was trolling 
or not. I'm not above trolling myself but I'll draw the line on denigrating a 
human being or advocating murder.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
 wrote:
 
  I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A racist
 is a racist. It doesn't rub off.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
   
Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
attempted murder of a congresswoman.
  
   Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
 him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
 trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

If I have to, I'll use a garage. When I worked in the City, it was costing me 
240/mo. for a parking space, and that was a few years ago. Other than that I go 
to areas like GG park where I've got my favorite places to park.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 How do you find parking in SF?  I always think they ought to rename the 
 city no parking.  Hence I almost NEVER go there.  In fact most folks 
 who live in the East Bay never like to cross that bridge. :-D
 
 
 On 01/09/2011 01:40 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
  All sounds great - Because of the hills in SF, I find going to  Chinatown 
  is the closest to visiting Hong Kong without going there. Every time I 
  drive up to SF it is an adventure. The Bay Area too is so full of micro 
  environments that you can easily experience whatever you want here, coast, 
  rural, urban, mountains.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

But it's these kind of statements and actions 
(putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
feel they have the OK to go ahead...
snip
 The images long described as crosshairs or rifle 
 sights were actually just surveyor's symbols...

Not.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scriptingnews/5339914742

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

So true. In fact, it's fascinating to listen to Limbaugh in the morning and 
then hear the EXACT same phrases repeated verbatim later in the day on Fox with 
Beck and Hannity.

Limbaugh sets the days talking points for right wingers.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 8, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Joe wrote:
 
  I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every week day. I do 
  it to get an idea of what the right wing talking points of the day will be. 
  It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card 
  (he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests 
  that the ends justify any action.
 
 
 I typically listen to part of the end of Glenn Beck and the beginning of Rush 
 Limbaugh. But some days, I can't. I found it gives me heartburn.
 
 Howie Carr (a Boston columnist and radio host) is on during my ride home from 
 work. Carr's more intelligent than either of the aforementioned, but 
 increasingly infuriating to listen to. It seems the disinformation campaign 
 that is Fox News, carries over into these other idiots, giving right-wingers 
 a seemingly homogeneous news blend, built on fables, in effect empowering an 
 entire segment of society with reinforced lies. I mean if you hear news in 
 one place and then in another place, it's got to be right, right?
 
 Several of my elderly neighbors have the Fox News channel on all day long. It 
 is THE source for their news and their view of the world. Very scary.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:20 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
 
 But it's these kind of statements and actions
 (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs)
 that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged
 feel they have the OK to go ahead...
 snip
  The images long described as crosshairs or rifle
  sights were actually just surveyor's symbols...

 Not.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/scriptingnews/5339914742



I toyed with the troops and Commandant Stanley here on FFL.  But I was
playing.   You, OTOH, sat crouched in waiting for a moment like this to
arrive, didn't you Judy?  We don't usually post common current events here,
Judy.  In fact IRRC you chided someone here for doing just that, saying
something to the effect that everybody already has his favorite news
source.  And how quickly you posted the evidence against Palin.  Like you
had it in your Miss Haversham Keepsake Box, waiting for the moment to
finally arrive.  How's your last 24 hours of vindication felt?  Do you
remember Maharishi saying what you place your attention on will grow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT1KRZOK4VE

I shouted out 'who killed the Kennedys' when actually it was you and me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Exactly...just more of Palin's make-it-up-as-she-goes-along version of truth.

More:

On March 23, Palin tweeted to her supporters a note about the aforementioned 
Facebook message, writing, Commonsense Conservatives  lovers of America: 
'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!' Pls see my Facebook page. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
 
 But it's these kind of statements and actions 
 (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs) 
 that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged 
 feel they have the OK to go ahead...
 snip
  The images long described as crosshairs or rifle 
  sights were actually just surveyor's symbols...
 
 Not.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/scriptingnews/5339914742

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-09 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:20 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote:
  
  But it's these kind of statements and actions
  (putting the congressman in gun cross-hairs)
  that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged
  feel they have the OK to go ahead...
  snip
   The images long described as crosshairs or rifle
   sights were actually just surveyor's symbols...
 
  Not.
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/scriptingnews/5339914742
 
 I toyed with the troops and Commandant Stanley here on FFL.
 But I was playing.   You, OTOH, sat crouched in waiting for a
 moment like this to arrive, didn't you Judy?

Uh, no.

 We don't usually post common current events here, Judy.

Oh, yeah, we do, actually, Tom. All the time.

 In fact IRRC you chided someone here for doing just that,
 saying something to the effect that everybody already has
 his favorite news source.

Don't think you're remembering correctly.

 And how quickly you posted the evidence against Palin.

You mean, where I said in my third post on the shooting,
It's beginning to look at though the apparent connection
may be just coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to
be an apolitical psychotic?

You were pretty quick to post the gunsight graphic yourself,
not realizing I had already posted it. Goodness knows it was
the first thing many people thought of when they heard
Giffords had been shot.

 Like you had it in your Miss Haversham Keepsake Box, waiting
 for the moment to finally arrive.  How's your last 24 hours
 of vindication felt?

I think you must be reading some imaginary version of FFL.

I agree with Joe's comment quoted at the top of this post.
You're welcome to disagree with it. But to refer to a
tragedy like this as some kind of vindication for those
of us who find the right's violent rhetoric a problem is
pretty low.

 Do you remember Maharishi saying what you place your
 attention on will grow?

Yeah, that's why I think we need to change the tone of
political discourse in this country.

Palin is understandably embarrassed by the gunsight graphic
in light of the shooting. But for her to have her
spokesperson claim the gunsight symbols were surveyor's
marks doesn't pass the laugh test, given what she's said
about the graphic, including in the tweet I posted the 
URL to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

That's about it for now Steve. I'll definitely keep you posted though since you 
have so much interest in the topic.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  I would certainly support banning this jerk off.   anyone else Joe?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
   
Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
attempted murder of a congresswoman.
  
   Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick let
 him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is more
 trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

A self-proclaimed enlightened' bigot. Just what the world needs


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@...wrote:
 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
   Ha ha. I can see the fun Barry gets out of pushing buttons. Rattle cages,
   get salvo after salvo of holier than thou accusations fired at you.
  
  But what to do when the high wears off?
 
 
 Hey.  I like to have fun.  I like to poke fun.  I love to poke fun at
 myself.  I didn't get a high from rattling cages.  So nothing's worn off.  I
 found it very instructive.  Mostly, about me.  The instructive part is how
 much I am part of this group but not of it.  How I don't care about the
 wrath or love or whatever I elicit here.  I keep poking this new thing
 that's been dawning on me for so very long but since a few months ago, like
 say 21 August, has become very palpable.  Day and night, active or settled,
 I knead this dough stuff.  I'm actively punching it, folding it, rolling it,
 flouring it, kneading it.  Then I take the dough, put it on a sheet or in a
 pan.  It sticks a bit as I drop it and sometimes it's a bit wet and I have
 to peel it off me.  But there it is.  And there I am.  And there's no dough
 left on my hands.  It's an interesting experience best groked with
 experiments.  Throw something out, see how much into it but not of it you
 were.   I have a very good singing voice.  I range from tenor to baritone.
 Perhaps I should record a Youtube of myself singing As Long as He Kneads Me.
 
 I have no idea what motivates Vaj or Barry.  I could never grok what
 motivates them.  I could never attain what they have.  I only worship the
 very quicksand upon which they tread.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

As I worship Pall, from the heart of my bottom.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
  I have no idea what motivates Vaj or Barry.  I could never grok what
  motivates them.  I only worship the very quicksand upon which they tread.
 
 
 Haha, very funny ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


Joe seems very fond of boxes in which to put people.   You are either in
the right box, or the left box.  Left box good.  Right box bad.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@...
wrote:

 Better yet, let's decree all posting must be by committee. We could
witness in action the growth of the bureaucracy, leading to a far less
productive environment. :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
 
 
  Yep ... let's do it right. Content is everything.
  Why talk at all if it isn't the correct kind?
 
  How about if instead of just Alex alone, Raunch and Joe also become
  moderators? That way they can control the content and make sure it
is
  acceptable.
 
  They can penalize fucking idiots. Joe can start with Willy. Joe
will
  take pleasure in it.
 
  Yep ... you can take the heart out of the commissar but not the
  commissar out of the heart.
 
 
 
  Let's do it!
  Left is right and right is wrong.
  It is just so simple.
 
  ***
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
  wrote:
  
   I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A
racist
  is a racist. It doesn't rub off.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
  j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
  wrote:

 Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
 written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
 Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
 for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
 attempted murder of a congresswoman.
   
Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick
let
  him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is
more
  trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

'Zat so Steve? Sounds like you just put me in a box.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 Joe seems very fond of boxes in which to put people.   You are either in
 the right box, or the left box.  Left box good.  Right box bad.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
 wrote:
 
  Better yet, let's decree all posting must be by committee. We could
 witness in action the growth of the bureaucracy, leading to a far less
 productive environment. :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
  
   Yep ... let's do it right. Content is everything.
   Why talk at all if it isn't the correct kind?
  
   How about if instead of just Alex alone, Raunch and Joe also become
   moderators? That way they can control the content and make sure it
 is
   acceptable.
  
   They can penalize fucking idiots. Joe can start with Willy. Joe
 will
   take pleasure in it.
  
   Yep ... you can take the heart out of the commissar but not the
   commissar out of the heart.
  
  
  
   Let's do it!
   Left is right and right is wrong.
   It is just so simple.
  
   ***
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@
   wrote:
   
I agree. This idea of banning Tom is mirroring his mentality. A
 racist
   is a racist. It doesn't rub off.
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
   j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
   wrote:
 
  Unbelievable. This post ranks as the most odious screed ever
  written on FFLife. We hurl a lot of insults around here but
  Tom's bigotry stinks up the place so badly he ought to be band
  for hate speech, disgusting racism and for applauding the
  attempted murder of a congresswoman.

 Tom has been banned before, and for reasons unknown to me, Rick
 let
   him back in and seems content to let him stay. IMO, banning him is
 more
   trouble than it's worth, and I suggest just ignoring him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



Hey Joe,  you gave me a laugh on that one.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 As I worship Pall, from the heart of my bottom.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
   I have no idea what motivates Vaj or Barry. I could never grok
what
   motivates them. I only worship the very quicksand upon which they
tread.
 
 
  Haha, very funny ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Jesus! Defend the 2nd Amendment by all means. Huffington Post has a story up 
identifying the shooter. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-laughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806229.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 
 Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
 the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
 others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
 surgery in the hospital.
 
 The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
 congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
 it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
 been taken down.
 
 But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
 (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
 symbols in Arizona on the map.
 
   [j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

She's out of surgery and reportedly responding to commands.
A surgeon at the hospital said at a press conference that
he was as optimistic as it's possible to be in this
situation. The next 24 hours will be crucial in her
recovery.

Eighteen people were shot, they're saying now. One of those
who died was a child; another was a federal judge.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Jesus! Defend the 2nd Amendment by all means. Huffington Post has a story up 
 identifying the shooter. 
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-laughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806229.html
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
  the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
  others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
  surgery in the hospital.
  
  The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
  congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
  it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
  been taken down.
  
  But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
  (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
  symbols in Arizona on the map.
  
[j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Some here may not know that Giffords was an outspoken
opponent of Arizona's new anti-immigrant law. (However,
she was also a strong gun-rights advocate.) She had 
received a number of death threats, but she was known
for being accessible and for mingling with the public.
She's in her third term in Congress, one of the few
Blue Dog Democrats who was reelected in November.

The child who was killed was nine years old.

The slain federal judge--the chief federal judge for
Arizona--was also pro-immigrant.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 She's out of surgery and reportedly responding to commands.
 A surgeon at the hospital said at a press conference that
 he was as optimistic as it's possible to be in this
 situation. The next 24 hours will be crucial in her
 recovery.
 
 Eighteen people were shot, they're saying now. One of those
 who died was a child; another was a federal judge.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  Jesus! Defend the 2nd Amendment by all means. Huffington Post has a story 
  up identifying the shooter. 
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-laughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806229.html
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   
   Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
   the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
   others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
   surgery in the hospital.
   
   The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
   congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
   it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
   been taken down.
   
   But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
   (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
   symbols in Arizona on the map.
   
 [j00s.jpg]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Tom Pall

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:47 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 Some here may not know that Giffords was an outspoken
 opponent of Arizona's new anti-immigrant law. (However,
 she was also a strong gun-rights advocate.) She had
 received a number of death threats, but she was known
 for being accessible and for mingling with the public.
 She's in her third term in Congress, one of the few
 Blue Dog Democrats who was reelected in November.

 The child who was killed was nine years old.

 The slain federal judge--the chief federal judge for
 Arizona--was also pro-immigrant.




The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:
snip
 The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
 time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
 It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson

It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list and immediately 
went to find it on the Palin site. It was, as you mention, taken down.

Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another indicator of the 
utter irresponsibility on the part so many of those with a microphone on the 
far right. People like Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much 
of their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and insecurities, 
urging them on to take the country back by whatever means. Michelle Bachman 
saying she wants her constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama 
tax plan.

I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every week day. I do it 
to get an idea of what the right wing talking points of the day will be. It's 
shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card (he's 
different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests that the 
ends justify any action.

A very sad and shameful state of affairs.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 
 Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
 the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
 others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
 surgery in the hospital.
 
 The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
 congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
 it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
 been taken down.
 
 But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
 (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
 symbols in Arizona on the map.
 
   [j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 snip
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
  time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
 
 It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
 but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.



Jared Lougher's YouTube channel.  He is anti-immigrant.

http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=pchannel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread whynotnow7

I agree - add all of that explosive rhetoric to a country awash in guns and the 
mode of expression of discontent becomes violence.

Btw, Arizona is an open carry state, meaning you can go into a supermarket like 
the one the Congresswoman was speaking in, with a loaded 45 holstered on your 
waist, no permit or license needed.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list and immediately 
 went to find it on the Palin site. It was, as you mention, taken down.
 
 Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another indicator of the 
 utter irresponsibility on the part so many of those with a microphone on the 
 far right. People like Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much 
 of their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and insecurities, 
 urging them on to take the country back by whatever means. Michelle Bachman 
 saying she wants her constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama 
 tax plan.
 
 I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every week day. I do 
 it to get an idea of what the right wing talking points of the day will be. 
 It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card 
 (he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests 
 that the ends justify any action.
 
 A very sad and shameful state of affairs.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
  the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
  others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
  surgery in the hospital.
  
  The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
  congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
  it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
  been taken down.
  
  But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
  (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
  symbols in Arizona on the map.
  
[j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
 and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
 as you mention, taken down.
 
 Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another 
 indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
 of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
 Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of 
 their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and 
 insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
 whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her 
 constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
 tax plan.

Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
to look at though the apparent connection may be just
coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)

Interesting analysis of his YouTube text-videos here:

http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2011/01/jared-lee-loughton-fallenasleep.html

http://tinyurl.com/2v6jrse

 I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every
 week day. I do it to get an idea of what the right wing talking 
 points of the day will be.

Jeez, Joe, we just sweated out your heart surgery here.
Don't want to have to do that again anytime soon. Listen
to some Bach or some nice jazz instead, willya?



 It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card 
 (he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests 
 that the ends justify any action.
 
 A very sad and shameful state of affairs.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
  the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
  others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
  surgery in the hospital.
  
  The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
  congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
  it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
  been taken down.
  
  But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
  (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
  symbols in Arizona on the map.
  
[j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  snip
   The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
   time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
   It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
  
  It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
  but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
 
 Jared Lougher's YouTube channel.  He is anti-immigrant.

He's anti a lot of things, including the Constitution.
But he's seriously incoherent, psychotically so. He
doesn't appear to have any particular political leanings.


 
 http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
 http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=pchannel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  snip
   The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
   time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
   It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
  
  It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
  but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
 
 
 
 Jared Lougher's YouTube channel.  He is anti-immigrant.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
 http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=pchannel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US


Link didn't work for me. Here's the direct link to his channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread wayback71

Judy, Giffords is alive as per CNN a few minutes ago.  She is out of surgery 
and the drs are optomistic that she will live.  She is communicating, but they 
are not saying the extent of the injury and how much her brain has been 
affected (she was shot in the head).  The media did think, erroneously, that 
she had died.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 
 Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
 the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
 others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
 surgery in the hospital.
 
 The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
 congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
 it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
 been taken down.
 
 But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
 (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
 symbols in Arizona on the map.
 
   [j00s.jpg]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Tom Pall

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:
 snip
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
  time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson

 It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
 but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.


 How could this happen when the DLF is making such strides in Arizona?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:

 Judy, Giffords is alive as per CNN a few minutes ago.

I think you meant to reply to Sal, Wayback. I never said
she had died and posted much of the same info you just
did almost three hours ago.

 She is out of surgery and the drs are optomistic that she
 will live. She is communicating, but they are not saying
 the extent of the injury and how much her brain has been
 affected (she was shot in the head).  The media did think,
 erroneously, that she had died.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
  the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
  others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
  surgery in the hospital.
  
  The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
  congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
  it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
  been taken down.
  
  But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
  (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
  symbols in Arizona on the map.
  
[j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

He's certainly unhinged, but that's kind of the point. When this atmosphere of 
do what you have to, by whatever means, arm yourselves, take the country 
back from the evil one who is not like uswhen all of that is going on, 
the unhinged tend to perk right up and can easily interpret this as the go 
signal.

When you add the religious element to it, as Beck so often does, you now have a 
God is on our side thing to deal with.

BTW, I read the info on this guy, and watched the tapesI certainly got an 
anti-immigration feel.

We'll know a lot more in the coming weeks I'm sure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
   snip
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
   
   It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
   but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
  
  Jared Lougher's YouTube channel.  He is anti-immigrant.
 
 He's anti a lot of things, including the Constitution.
 But he's seriously incoherent, psychotically so. He
 doesn't appear to have any particular political leanings.
 
 
  
  http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
  http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=pchannel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


No, no...it's a joy to announce that something good is happening. Clear 
evidence of an atmospheric normalization taking place.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  snip
   The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
   time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
   It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
 
  It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
  but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
 
 
  How could this happen when the DLF is making such strides in Arizona?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Latest from Fox: The bullet entered her temple and
exited her forehead. That *may* mean that brain
damage from the bullet itself will be minimal. The
biggest concern right now is brain swelling.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
  and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
  as you mention, taken down.
  
  Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another 
  indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
  of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
  Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of 
  their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and 
  insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
  whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her 
  constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
  tax plan.
 
 Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
 to look at though the apparent connection may be just
 coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
 psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)

No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other  conservatives, he 
was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify your disdain of conservative 
politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to Palin, et.al. right! then you could 
say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Jan 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
 
 On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:
 snip
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
  time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  It is its natural manure.   -- Thomas Jefferson
 
 It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
 but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
 
 
 How could this happen when the DLF is making such strides in Arizona? 

Excellent!  As was the comment about wealth
disappearing.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
  to look at though the apparent connection may be just
  coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
  psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)
 
 No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any
 other  conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning
 stories to justify your disdain of conservative politics

Excuse me?? I just got done saying he was just a nut and
any connection to Palin was likely coincidental.

Think maybe you need some new glasses? Or a remedial course
in reading comprehension?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

You completely missed the point.

Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair sites on Palin's own 
site. Must have been a weird coincidence that Palin took that down immediately 
after the incident eh?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
   and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
   as you mention, taken down.
   
   Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another 
   indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
   of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
   Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of 
   their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and 
   insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
   whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her 
   constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
   tax plan.
  
  Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
  to look at though the apparent connection may be just
  coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
  psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)
 
 No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other  conservatives, 
 he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify your disdain of 
 conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to Palin, et.al. right! 
 then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 You completely missed the point.
 
 Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair
 sites on Palin's own site. Must have been a weird coincidence
 that Palin took that down immediately after the incident eh?

So now you're suggesting Palin helped plan the assassination
attempt and took down the graphic because she didn't want
anybody to connect her with it?

Or maybe she took it down because the attempt wasn't successful?

Joe...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

No, of course not. Again, not the point.

But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the congressman in gun 
cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged feel they have the 
OK to go ahead. Whether or not that's what motivated this particular guy is too 
early to tell.

Let's not forget: this Congresswoman's headquarters was the subject of a gun 
fire attack during the campaign. 

And what's with starting out a sentence with So.. and following it up with an 
absurd statement you're suggesting that Palin planned the assassination...

Don't go getting all Willy on us.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  You completely missed the point.
  
  Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair
  sites on Palin's own site. Must have been a weird coincidence
  that Palin took that down immediately after the incident eh?
 
 So now you're suggesting Palin helped plan the assassination
 attempt and took down the graphic because she didn't want
 anybody to connect her with it?
 
 Or maybe she took it down because the attempt wasn't successful?
 
 Joe...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Bhairitu

I did a bit of news channel skipping around to see how they were 
covering the story.  Fox seemed to stay on top of things better than CNN 
and MSNBC but then they also got a few reports wrong (as did the 
others).  Being a conservative network they seemed to be having a little 
difficult time with the purported stances posted in the gunman's 
videos.  I downloaded most of them figuring they might disappear off 
YouTube.   Gawker has the graphic from the Palin PAC website:

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs


On 01/08/2011 04:05 PM, wayback71 wrote:
 Judy, Giffords is alive as per CNN a few minutes ago.  She is out of surgery 
 and the drs are optomistic that she will live.  She is communicating, but 
 they are not saying the extent of the injury and how much her brain has been 
 affected (she was shot in the head).  The media did think, erroneously, that 
 she had died.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjst...@...  wrote:

 Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
 the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
 others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
 surgery in the hospital.

 The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
 congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
 it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
 been taken down.

 But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
 (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
 symbols in Arizona on the map.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread wgm4u



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 No, of course not. Again, not the point.
 
 But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the congressman in gun 
 cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged feel they have the 
 OK to go ahead. Whether or not that's what motivated this particular guy is 
 too early to tell.
 
 Let's not forget: this Congresswoman's headquarters was the subject of a gun 
 fire attack during the campaign. 
 
 And what's with starting out a sentence with So.. and following it up with 
 an absurd statement you're suggesting that Palin planned the 
 assassination...
 
 Don't go getting all Willy on us.


Nyuk..Joe, the latest reports are (KABC radio LosAngeles) that his friend said 
he, leaned left (kinda like you?).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 No, of course not. Again, not the point.
 
 But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the 
 congressman in gun cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere
 where the unhinged feel they have the OK to go ahead.
 Whether or not that's what motivated this particular guy is
 too early to tell.

Totally agree with this paragraph and understood your
point from the start.

 Let's not forget: this Congresswoman's headquarters was the
 subject of a gun fire attack during the campaign.

Don't know if it was gunfire, but her headquarters was
vandalized right after her vote for the health care plan.
And she's had other threats on her life.

 And what's with starting out a sentence with So.. and
 following it up with an absurd statement you're
 suggesting that Palin planned the assassination...

 Don't go getting all Willy on us.
 
Sorry, but I couldn't--and still can't--figure out what
you were suggesting by asking sarcastically if it was just
a weird coincidence that Palin had taken down the graphic.
*That's* the kind of thing Willytex would say.

I mean, obviously she took it down because it was
*embarrassing* given today's events. It would be astonishing
if she *hadn't* taken it down.


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   You completely missed the point.
   
   Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair
   sites on Palin's own site. Must have been a weird coincidence
   that Palin took that down immediately after the incident eh?
  
  So now you're suggesting Palin helped plan the assassination
  attempt and took down the graphic because she didn't want
  anybody to connect her with it?
  
  Or maybe she took it down because the attempt wasn't successful?
  
  Joe...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
  and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
  as you mention, taken down.
  
  Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another 
  indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
  of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
  Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of 
  their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and 
  insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
  whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her 
  constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
  tax plan.
 
 Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
 to look at though the apparent connection may be just
 coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
 psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)
 
 Interesting analysis of his YouTube text-videos here:
 
 http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2011/01/jared-lee-loughton-fallenasleep.html
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2v6jrse
 

Good find. He's clearly paranoid about authorities, police, government, etc.  

Firedoglake has an MSNBC interview with Congresswoman Gifford about Palin 
targeting Democrats. Chuck Todd is an asshole.
 
http://tinyurl.com/369y69t
http://my.firedoglake.com/jimwhite/2011/01/08/rep-gabrielle-giffords-in-march-interview-with-msnbc-re-palins-targeting/
 


  I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every
  week day. I do it to get an idea of what the right wing talking 
  points of the day will be.
 
 Jeez, Joe, we just sweated out your heart surgery here.
 Don't want to have to do that again anytime soon. Listen
 to some Bach or some nice jazz instead, willya?
 
 
 
  It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card 
  (he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests 
  that the ends justify any action.
  
  A very sad and shameful state of affairs.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   
   Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
   the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
   others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
   surgery in the hospital.
   
   The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
   congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
   it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
   been taken down.
   
   But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
   (lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
   symbols in Arizona on the map.
   
 [j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Judy, my point about Palin taking the cross-hairs chart was just thatthat 
it was embarrassing, that it could be perceived as career damaging and most of 
all, that it again highlights that she has willingly participated in this kind 
of ramping up of violent toned rhetoric before. That make her partially 
culpable in my book.

After hearing Rush on the radio every day since Obama was elected I've been 
worried sick about Obama's safety. I don't know if you ever listen to him but 
try it for a week. We all know what an inflated blowhard he is, but when you 
actually hear his spiel daily, it is even more alarming. (And no, I don't think 
Rush Limbaugh is personally plotting Obama's assassination. He's too busy 
counting his millions made from stirring his listeners up into a borderline 
violent state.)

Just read a further clarification about the shots fired at Gifford's campaign 
HQ last fall. It was a brick through the window, not bullets.

Gifford has been the target of political threats before. In the wake of the 
health care vote, health care overhaul foes threw a brick through the front 
door of her Tucson district office, shattering the glass. A protester at a 
summer 2009 event -- similar to the meet-and-greet where she was shot Saturday 
-- accidentally dropped a gun on the floor. We have never felt the need before 
to notify law enforcement when we hold these events, her spokesman said.

When asked if she had any enemies, Giffords' father reportedly wept. 'Yeah,' 
he told The New York Post. 'The whole Tea Party.'



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  No, of course not. Again, not the point.
  
  But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the 
  congressman in gun cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere
  where the unhinged feel they have the OK to go ahead.
  Whether or not that's what motivated this particular guy is
  too early to tell.
 
 Totally agree with this paragraph and understood your
 point from the start.
 
  Let's not forget: this Congresswoman's headquarters was the
  subject of a gun fire attack during the campaign.
 
 Don't know if it was gunfire, but her headquarters was
 vandalized right after her vote for the health care plan.
 And she's had other threats on her life.
 
  And what's with starting out a sentence with So.. and
  following it up with an absurd statement you're
  suggesting that Palin planned the assassination...
 
  Don't go getting all Willy on us.
  
 Sorry, but I couldn't--and still can't--figure out what
 you were suggesting by asking sarcastically if it was just
 a weird coincidence that Palin had taken down the graphic.
 *That's* the kind of thing Willytex would say.
 
 I mean, obviously she took it down because it was
 *embarrassing* given today's events. It would be astonishing
 if she *hadn't* taken it down.
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
   
You completely missed the point.

Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair
sites on Palin's own site. Must have been a weird coincidence
that Palin took that down immediately after the incident eh?
   
   So now you're suggesting Palin helped plan the assassination
   attempt and took down the graphic because she didn't want
   anybody to connect her with it?
   
   Or maybe she took it down because the attempt wasn't successful?
   
   Joe...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Joe, here's what Sheriff Clarence Dupnik just said at a
press conference:

When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the
vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down
the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes
on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And,
unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the
capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

It's not unusual for all public officials to get threats
constantly, myself included. And that's the sad thing of
what's going on in America. Pretty soon, we're not going to
be able to find reasonable, decent people who are willing to
subject themselves to serve in public office.

He's going to get in trouble for that, but God bless him
for saying it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 No, of course not. Again, not the point.
 
 But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the congressman in gun 
 cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged feel they have the 
 OK to go ahead. Whether or not that's what motivated this particular guy is 
 too early to tell.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Palin scrubbed her website targeting Democrats not only out of
embarrassment but possible culpability.  Giffords' opponent, Jesse Kelly
for AZ-8, did some scrubbing of his own today. He was a Palin acolyte
who took her lead by inviting Tea Partiers to join him in removing
Giffords with an M16.

http://tinyurl.com/25kz25b http://tinyurl.com/25kz25b

http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/giffords-opponent-jesse-kelly-held-jun\
e-event-to-shoot-a-fully-automatic-m16-to-get-on-target-and-remove-gabri\
elle-giffords/
http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/giffords-opponent-jesse-kelly-held-ju\
ne-event-to-shoot-a-fully-automatic-m16-to-get-on-target-and-remove-gabr\
ielle-giffords/

 
[http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2011/01/6a00d8341bf80c53ef0133f0\
e5916a970b-800wi.png]

Jane Hampshire says to the extent that Jared Loughner's videos are
political, they appear to be libertarian-leaning.  He was apparently a
gold bug.

http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/giffords-shooter-identified-as-jared-l\
oughlin-photo/
http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/giffords-shooter-identified-as-jared-\
loughlin-photo/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:


 Sorry, but I couldn't--and still can't--figure out what
 you were suggesting by asking sarcastically if it was just
 a weird coincidence that Palin had taken down the graphic.
 *That's* the kind of thing Willytex would say.

 I mean, obviously she took it down because it was
 *embarrassing* given today's events. It would be astonishing
 if she *hadn't* taken it down.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Tom Pall

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 Joe, here's what Sheriff Clarence Dupnik just said at a
 press conference:

 When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the
 vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down
 the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes
 on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And,
 unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the
 capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

 It's not unusual for all public officials to get threats
 constantly, myself included. And that's the sad thing of
 what's going on in America. Pretty soon, we're not going to
 be able to find reasonable, decent people who are willing to
 subject themselves to serve in public office.


Reasonable, decent people and public office are oxymorons.   Some, at the
local level, run for the right reasons.  The rest run for greed and power.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


So what? A radio station in LA says that some friend of this guy says he leans 
left. Who knows, maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. Before you start nyuking 
it up too hard (on this oh-so-funny day), are you trying to say that people 
like Palin, Limbaugh and Beck are forces for calm and reasoned rhetoric? This 
particular kid? Who knows...it will take a few to figure out what was 
motivating him.

By the way, I don't lean left, I stand firmly on the progressive side of most 
issues.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 
 
 
 Nyuk..Joe, the latest reports are (KABC radio LosAngeles) that his friend 
 said he, leaned left (kinda like you?).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Agree 100%. Bravo Sheriff Dupnik!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 Joe, here's what Sheriff Clarence Dupnik just said at a
 press conference:
 
 When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the
 vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down
 the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes
 on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And,
 unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the
 capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.
 
 It's not unusual for all public officials to get threats
 constantly, myself included. And that's the sad thing of
 what's going on in America. Pretty soon, we're not going to
 be able to find reasonable, decent people who are willing to
 subject themselves to serve in public office.
 
 He's going to get in trouble for that, but God bless him
 for saying it.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  No, of course not. Again, not the point.
  
  But it's these kind of statements and actions (putting the congressman in 
  gun cross-hairs) that creates an atmosphere where the unhinged feel they 
  have the OK to go ahead. Whether or not that's what motivated this 
  particular guy is too early to tell.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

2011-01-08 Thread Bhairitu

I was just looking through one of the videos where he complained about
the government controlling grammar and reading his stuff I can see
why. :-D

On 01/08/2011 05:14 PM, raunchydog wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joegeezerfreak@ wrote:
Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
as you mention, taken down.

Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another
indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of
their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and
insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her
constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
tax plan.
Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
to look at though the apparent connection may be just
coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)

Interesting analysis of his YouTube text-videos here:

http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2011/01/jared-lee-loughton-fallenasleep.html

http://tinyurl.com/2v6jrse

Good find. He's clearly paranoid about authorities, police, government, etc.

Firedoglake has an MSNBC interview with Congresswoman Gifford about Palin
targeting Democrats. Chuck Todd is an asshole.

http://tinyurl.com/369y69t
http://my.firedoglake.com/jimwhite/2011/01/08/rep-gabrielle-giffords-in-march-interview-with-msnbc-re-palins-targeting/

I make it a point to listen to Limbaugh for 10 minutes every
week day. I do it to get an idea of what the right wing talking
points of the day will be.
Jeez, Joe, we just sweated out your heart surgery here.
Don't want to have to do that again anytime soon. Listen
to some Bach or some nice jazz instead, willya?

It's shocking to hear him blatantly use the race card, the religious card
(he's different from you and me folks) in a way that absolutely suggests
that the ends justify any action.

A very sad and shameful state of affairs.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@ wrote:

Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona has been shot in
the head at point-blank range at a supermarket event in Gucson. Five
others have been killed and several wounded. Giffords is currently in
surgery in the hospital.

The graphic below is from Sarah Palin's PAC Web site, listing
congressional represenatives to be targeted for defeat. Don't know when
it was put up (presumably before the election), and apparently it's now
been taken down.

But note that Giffords is among three Arizona representatives listed
(lefthand column). These names correspond to three gunsight (crosshairs)
symbols in Arizona on the map.

[j00s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 He's certainly unhinged, but that's kind of the point. When this
atmosphere of do what you have to, by whatever means, arm
yourselves, take the country back from the evil one who is not like
uswhen all of that is going on, the unhinged tend to perk right up
and can easily interpret this as the go signal.

Joe, I agree with some of what you say about Limbaugh and Beck, but when
you suddenly decide to make these connections when the evidence doesn't
really support it, then I think you lose a lot of credibility in my
opinion.  I mean by your way of thinking, if these guys are so
influential why are there so few attacks of this nature.





 When you add the religious element to it, as Beck so often does, you
now have a God is on our side thing to deal with.

 BTW, I read the info on this guy, and watched the tapesI certainly
got an anti-immigration feel.

 We'll know a lot more in the coming weeks I'm sure.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@
wrote:
snip
 The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
 time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
 It is its natural manure. -- Thomas Jefferson
   
It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
  
   Jared Lougher's YouTube channel. He is anti-immigrant.
 
  He's anti a lot of things, including the Constitution.
  But he's seriously incoherent, psychotically so. He
  doesn't appear to have any particular political leanings.
 
 
  
   http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
  
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=p\
channel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other
conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify your
disdain of conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to Palin,
et.al. right! then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).

Well said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 You completely missed the point.

 Plus, I guess you missed Gifford being in gun crosshair sites on
Palin's own site. Must have been a weird coincidence that Palin took
that down immediately after the incident eh?
Do you know that for a fact Joe, or is this just speculation on your
part?  Was it taken down today, or was it today that you became aware
that it wasn't there anymore?





 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
   
Yes, I remembered Congresswoman Gifford's being on that list
and immediately went to find it on the Palin site. It was,
as you mention, taken down.
   
Absolutely shameful move on Palin's part, but just another
indicator of the utter irresponsibility on the part so many
of those with a microphone on the far right. People like
Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend way too much of
their time knowingly playing on their listeners fears and
insecurities, urging them on to take the country back by
whatever means. Michelle Bachman saying she wants her
constituents armed and dangerous in fighting the Obama
tax plan.
  
   Totally agree with all the above. However, it's beginning
   to look at though the apparent connection may be just
   coincidental. The alleged shooter appears to be an apolitical
   psychotic. (My lay guess: paranoid schizophrenic.)
 
  No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other
conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify your
disdain of conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to Palin,
et.al. right! then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Not really Steve , in fact Billy's comment is kind of mindlessly dumb, but at 
least we know where you stand.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other
 conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify your
 disdain of conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to Palin,
 et.al. right! then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).
 
 Well said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona


So far, thankfully, because various law enforcement personnel have been able to 
thwart many such attacks before they happen, aside from today, dummy.

Google threats against Obama.

Terrorism comes in many flavors Steve, many of them domestic.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  He's certainly unhinged, but that's kind of the point. When this
 atmosphere of do what you have to, by whatever means, arm
 yourselves, take the country back from the evil one who is not like
 uswhen all of that is going on, the unhinged tend to perk right up
 and can easily interpret this as the go signal.
 
 Joe, I agree with some of what you say about Limbaugh and Beck, but when
 you suddenly decide to make these connections when the evidence doesn't
 really support it, then I think you lose a lot of credibility in my
 opinion.  I mean by your way of thinking, if these guys are so
 influential why are there so few attacks of this nature.
 
 
 
 
 
  When you add the religious element to it, as Beck so often does, you
 now have a God is on our side thing to deal with.
 
  BTW, I read the info on this guy, and watched the tapesI certainly
 got an anti-immigration feel.
 
  We'll know a lot more in the coming weeks I'm sure.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@
 wrote:
 snip
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
  time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  It is its natural manure. -- Thomas Jefferson

 It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
 but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.
   
Jared Lougher's YouTube channel. He is anti-immigrant.
  
   He's anti a lot of things, including the Constitution.
   But he's seriously incoherent, psychotically so. He
   doesn't appear to have any particular political leanings.
  
  
   
http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95
   
 http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=p\
 channel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Not really Steve , in fact Billy's comment is kind of mindlessly dumb,
but at least we know where you stand.

Well at least you don't have to fret about it anymore Joe.  You can put
me a little box that makes you feel comfortable.  Steve's in this box,
Willy's in that box.  Bill's in this box, Judy's in that box.  Maybe at
some point you will be able to realize that not everybody fits neatly
into the box you want to put them. But that may require you to open your
mind up a little.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
 
   No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other
  conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify
your
  disdain of conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to
Palin,
  et.al. right! then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).
  
  Well said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:


 So far, thankfully, because various law enforcement personnel have
been able to thwart many such attacks before they happen, aside from
today, dummy.

Most public officials aside from the president are fairly accessable.  I
am not seeing many incidents of this kind, but maybe I am missing
something.  Can you list any?


 Google threats against Obama.

 Terrorism comes in many flavors Steve, many of them domestic.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   He's certainly unhinged, but that's kind of the point. When this
  atmosphere of do what you have to, by whatever means, arm
  yourselves, take the country back from the evil one who is not
like
  uswhen all of that is going on, the unhinged tend to perk
right up
  and can easily interpret this as the go signal.
 
  Joe, I agree with some of what you say about Limbaugh and Beck, but
when
  you suddenly decide to make these connections when the evidence
doesn't
  really support it, then I think you lose a lot of credibility in my
  opinion. I mean by your way of thinking, if these guys are so
  influential why are there so few attacks of this nature.
 
 
 
 
 
   When you add the religious element to it, as Beck so often does,
you
  now have a God is on our side thing to deal with.
  
   BTW, I read the info on this guy, and watched the tapesI
certainly
  got an anti-immigration feel.
  
   We'll know a lot more in the coming weeks I'm sure.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall
thomas.pall@
  wrote:
  snip
   The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
   time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
   It is its natural manure. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
  It appears that the alleged shooter isn't a Tea Partier
  but more of a garden-variety nut. Twenty-two years old.

 Jared Lougher's YouTube channel. He is anti-immigrant.
   
He's anti a lot of things, including the Constitution.
But he's seriously incoherent, psychotically so. He
doesn't appear to have any particular political leanings.
   
   

 http://tinyurl.com/2v3lo95

 
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FClassitup10sort=p\
\
 
channel_id=0ytsession=%7B%7Classitup10Duser=Classitup10start=0gl=US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Believe me, I don't fret about you dude. Nor do I put you in a box. Turning 
the tables I would say if it makes YOU feel more comfortable thinking that this 
is where I'm coming from, by all means, carry on.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  Not really Steve , in fact Billy's comment is kind of mindlessly dumb,
 but at least we know where you stand.
 
 Well at least you don't have to fret about it anymore Joe.  You can put
 me a little box that makes you feel comfortable.  Steve's in this box,
 Willy's in that box.  Bill's in this box, Judy's in that box.  Maybe at
 some point you will be able to realize that not everybody fits neatly
 into the box you want to put them. But that may require you to open your
 mind up a little.
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
 wrote:
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
  
No proof of any connection to Palin or Limbaugh or any other
   conservatives, he was just a nut. Stop spinning stories to justify
 your
   disdain of conservative politics..(YOU WISH he was connected to
 Palin,
   et.al. right! then you could say, see, see; you SIR, are the nut).
   
   Well said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

Sure. Got your pen?

http://www.securitymanagement.com/news/violent-threats-against-members-congress-surge-2009-through-2010-007165

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/threats-against-politicians-skyrocket/scary/

http://www.telegram.com/article/20100325/NEWS/100329838/1116

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0406/Let-the-violence-begin-death-threats-against-Sen.-Patty-Murray

http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/tag/threats-against-politicians/

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/violence-and-threats-of-violence-against-politicians-continues-despite-more-serious-response-90204852.html

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/article/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Representatives/Nancy+Pelosi/01KzfTk4Gq6ke/1

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001362-503544.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100525/pl_politico/37726

Let me know when you read all of those, and I'll refill. Or just google and do 
the work yourself.

cheers,

Geez

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:
 Most public officials aside from the president are fairly accessable.  I
 am not seeing many incidents of this kind, but maybe I am missing
 something.  Can you list any?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona

You make your point Joe, but in fact threats are one thing, carrying through on 
them is another.  And it does not appear that this incident has ties to the 
usual suspects on the more radical right.  So, I am not sure what conclusion 
you want to draw, but if the connection you want to make is tea party and 
radical right tied to this guy, it may not be there.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Sure. Got your pen?
 
 http://www.securitymanagement.com/news/violent-threats-against-members-congress-surge-2009-through-2010-007165
 
 http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/threats-against-politicians-skyrocket/scary/
 
 http://www.telegram.com/article/20100325/NEWS/100329838/1116
 
 http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0406/Let-the-violence-begin-death-threats-against-Sen.-Patty-Murray
 
 http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/tag/threats-against-politicians/
 
 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/violence-and-threats-of-violence-against-politicians-continues-despite-more-serious-response-90204852.html
 
 http://content.usatoday.com/topics/article/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Representatives/Nancy+Pelosi/01KzfTk4Gq6ke/1
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001362-503544.html
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100525/pl_politico/37726
 
 Let me know when you read all of those, and I'll refill. Or just google and 
 do the work yourself.
 
 cheers,
 
 Geez
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  Most public officials aside from the president are fairly accessable.  I
  am not seeing many incidents of this kind, but maybe I am missing
  something.  Can you list any?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congresswoman shot in Arizona