[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chopra's father stabilised Maharishi when he was sick in 1992, in india and sent him to London. Do you think Maharishi is grateful to Chopra for that.?? Why erase all traces of his association with the TM mov 't.?? Maharishi was nowhere near India in 1992. If you want to be taken serious when you are spreading your poison, then better as a minimum stick to simple facts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: and yet, because I'm posting here, I'm willing to bet that I cannot get a dome badge now. Edg I used to post here fairly often, I was fairly critical about some things, and, in fact, I wrote letters to both Hagelin and Bevan telling them that I personally knew of instances where they had slept with married movement ladies and did not appreciate their lording it over others while being deceitful themselves, even got responses back from each of their assistants, and applied to go to Fairfield a few months ago when the big push was on, and was accepted to the course. Kenny H. Exactly. Some people are so full of hate and selfloathing that they necessarily need to project it on to something/someone, otherwise they would crack up. For former Governors, most of whom never took the programme seriously anyway, the Movement is a natural place to dump their frustrations.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Bobby Warren. His last words supposedly were, I'm the worlds greatest diver Actually it was, Hey, did you know that I'm the world's greatest expert at swimming under waterfalls? He swam under the waterfall and the force of the water pushed him out and he drowned. Tim Jones had to carry his body out in a muddy 6 hour hike, along with some helpers, and then deal with all sorts of red tape to get his body out of Costa Rica and back to the US for burial. Bobby Warren was irritating in life and apparently irritating for some people in death! God bless Bobby, but he was a pathological liar. Strange/interesting dude to say the least. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Bobby Warren. His last words supposedly were, I'm the worlds greatest diver Actually it was, Hey, did you know that I'm the world's greatest expert at swimming under waterfalls? He swam under the waterfall and the force of the water pushed him out and he drowned. Tim Jones had to carry his body out in a muddy 6 hour hike, along with some helpers, and then deal with all sorts of red tape to get his body out of Costa Rica and back to the US for burial. Bobby Warren was irritating in life and apparently irritating for some people in death! God bless Bobby, but he was a pathological liar. Strange/interesting dude to say the least. I have no reason to believe Judy is actually irritated by him. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
Peter wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Bobby Warren. His last words supposedly were, I'm the worlds greatest diver Actually it was, Hey, did you know that I'm the world's greatest expert at swimming under waterfalls? He swam under the waterfall and the force of the water pushed him out and he drowned. Tim Jones had to carry his body out in a muddy 6 hour hike, along with some helpers, and then deal with all sorts of red tape to get his body out of Costa Rica and back to the US for burial. Bobby Warren was irritating in life and apparently irritating for some people in death! God bless Bobby, but he was a pathological liar. Strange/interesting dude to say the least. He introduced me to the Vivekananda Center in Seattle because it was a good place to get incense. Bobby was a pretty decent guy until the TMO corrupted him
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
Kenny, Thank you for giving me an alternate viewpoint -- I need all the emotionally balancing stories I can get if I'm to give my intellect enough space to create some clarity. Your truth has at least somewhat slowed Ego The Ninny's ricocheting from stress knot to stress knot inside my cranium. My personal movement karma is my own, and however it may swab my vision with an opaque pastiche of recriminations, I cannot gainsay anyone else's less tinted experiences. The very fact that the movement has lasted this long is a proof that it DOES do things rightly most of the time and doesn't trigger negativity in the minds of the true believers. So, all those well handled folks are going to naturally think my experiences are odd, rare, and my own doings for the most part. Hey, maybe I really pissed Bobby Warren off just before I told him about the donation, right? Maybe he lost a loved one just before I arrived. I didn't know jack about Bob. Kenny, I'm thinking you're telling the straight truth, and, yep, I'm not easily fitting it into my dataset of all things TMOish. In fact, I think it might be one of the most hopeful signs I've ever had about Hagelin and Morris. I should send them an apology, cuz I sure would've put money down that you'd have lost your badge. If J B are lurking here, sorry! On the other hand, there's other stories like my own, much worse tales than mine actually, and the movement just never clears them up for us. You'd think that the movement would show all the records of the Kaplan money exchanges, get it all on the table, and show the world that it is completely above any suspicions. And, since it happened, Kaplan's karma was deserved, but hey, the movement had the karma too, eh? But we get what from the movement on this issue? Here's what we get: in the film Young Frankenstein we see Igor (Marty Feldman) with his hunchback being offered corrective surgery for his condition. Igor says, What hump? http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvrqoCCia_g What problems? We don ga no steeenkink problems! http://youtube.com/watch?v=HaxURLFn6jU The movement's course office makes these decisions all the time that are never explained to us. As an American raised personality, habeas corpus, until, you know, Bushco, was my common expectation whenever I've found myself restricted; I've expected to be treated as an adult and to have the grievances against me fully explained and that I would be given a chance to rectify, clarify, challenge, etc. The fact that the movement cannot be bothered in most instances to explain itself is certainly the way of the corporate world today, but I gave my heart to the movement, it was a love affair, and the public face of the movement was as welcoming as Amma's hugs, and thousands of us bought into it and thought we'd arrived home where the heart is, that troubles would be dealt with, that none would be forsaken and tossed into the outer darkness. Like that -- romantically naive to the hilt was me. And now I have all the anger of a jilted spouse. My bad. I set myself up for it. Thank you, Byron Katie. But, really now, didn't we all have that expectation that Maharishi would be the kindest of gurus, the most understanding, the most forgiving, the most patient with stress ladened ignorance, THE ONE, you know? And, even if we knew he couldn't take the time to be a personal guru, we expected that the movement would be his manifest heart, right? Again, my own romantic claptrap here, but didn't most of us think this way when we first started out with the movement? Even those who'd love to have a good whack on the back from a Zen master's stick have found that the movement's whacks don't always come in a timely and proper fashion -- just when one's head is dipping in meditation -- but rather, that they come without proven merit. Of course, any corporation dealing with the masses will have to bear the travail brought to it by those who are several standard deviations from the marketing mean. The very smart and able, and the very dull and, well, goofy-assed, will be those who rub the movement with the most friction, and how they're treated will be the bookending of the movement's self-policing policy's spectrum. I may be one of the goofy-assed for all I know, and your experiences, not mine, are the norm. In fact, yeah, I am goofy-assed, but my point remains, the movement didn't know how to handle me such that I stayed in the movement -- nor did it know how to keep any of the others it's tossed -- including Kaplan with half a frickin billion dollar net worth and addicted to being a movement insider with access to Maharishi, including Chopra who sprang to international cred by delightfully fleshing out the movement's mystic bones for the masses, including Jerry Jarvis, including Charlie Lutes. Yet the movement showed tapes to all of us as Andy Rymer was telling Maharishi about his experiences, and the movement never quashed the hot blood blasting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
My TM-tutor told me that this happened two years before King Nader made his epoch- making discovery of the presence of the Veda in the Human Physiology in 1994. Would you or anyone else in this group tell me of Maharishi's itenary for the year 1992.? Thanks. nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:58:21 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps Maharishi was nowhere near India in 1992. If you want to be taken serious when you are spreading your poison, then better as a minimum stick to simple facts. --- Jason Spock jedi_spock@ ... wrote: Chopra's father stabilised Maharishi when he was sick in 1992, in india and sent him to London. Do you think Maharishi is grateful to Chopra for that.?? Why erase all traces of his association with the TM mov 't.?? - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
The TM fascists did this too. 1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy The CIA was said to have infiltrated the TM movement, Christians were openly trying to stop the movement in schools and were considered as evil, L.B. was publishing a rag of unstressing. Easy to make enemies appear out of nowhere -- like aces in the hand of a card shark. 2. Create a gulag One loses one's dome badge, and one is instantly an outsider. The meditating kids sent to the public schools were, as if, sent to a gulag. The shame of our community is that it sent half the tuition money to International instead of using it to keep all our kids inside our group hug. Many people were banned to such a degree that if one was to associate with that person, one would get on the same blacklist. I was personally told -- immediately after becoming an initiator -- that I was never to have anything to do with Johnny Gray. Why? Don't ask, they warned. The movement has never been shy about telling us who was not to be listened to or otherwise one would be sent to the psychological gulag of outside status. 3. Develop a thug caste The course office personnel. Then there were those nazi-types in Germany who tried to completely surround Maharishi and cut him off from the rest of the movement. Maharishi has treated many international thugs-dictators with more respect than most meditators EVER get from the movement. Try to get Bevan to listen to anything negative about the movement and see if he doesn't immediately come off as a dictator with all the rights and privileges thereof. I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Well, I come in the door, and I say, I'm here to give a donation, and he snapped his fingers at me exactly like a Nazi commandant and said, Give to me, in a very brusque voice. He took the check and never said or even hinted at a thank you. I was dismissed without another word from him. That was one of my BETTER moments with movement types. 4. Set up an internal surveillance system I was blacklisted during teacher training, and I got off by knowing someone who had clout -- otherwise, I'd still be there -- wouldn't have gotten my mantras. When I was interviewed by Maharishi during a pre-technique interview, he wrote next to my photo, clean now, meaning my beard in the photo had been shaved. Anyone in the movement think they're not being watched? I have had perfect status since I got off the blacklist, was a very strong initiator, ran a center for eight years, taught 3% of Napa, CA to meditate, and lived on almost zero income, moved to Fairfield, did dome twice daily, raised my kids with the dogma, and yet, because I'm posting here, I'm willing to bet that I cannot get a dome badge now. 5. Harass citizens' groups Ask L.B. about this. Ask how almost anyone in power in the movement can arch an eyebrow and say, Maharishi wouldn't like that, and suddenly, one understands about the subtlety of harassment. 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release I was called on the carpet when I got on the blacklist. I had to explain myself, then I was released, and of course, I told my story to others and the fear spread from that too. Sigh. 7. Target key individuals So many cannot show their faces in Fairfield and have any hope of comfort. Anyone with a dome badge just cannot be free; the party line is spewed by everyone or they're banned; the targeting of individuals is done in the back room, and no one hardly ever is told why or how to rectify the situation. 8. Control the press Ask L.B. how long his rag was allowed to be freely distributed on campus. Ask anyone who has ever worked on any TM publication if their ideas had any chance of being sincerely attended to if it involved, you know, suggesting less gold ink, or perhaps marketing might be improved by using less photos of groups of smarmy looking Hindus who were seemingly on the verge of death but who were on the stage and posing as great health practitioners -- whatever, there was no freedom to be creative outside the TM box. 9. Dissent equals treason Ask John Lennon why he left India. Once you cross the movement in some serious way, it just becomes clear immediately that a bridge has been burned forever, that the movement NEVER was really interested in dialog -- only brainwashing and groveling. 10. Suspend the rule of law When I'd finally saved up enough credits by initiating to get on a sidhi course, they said, All that money's been taken away. Luckily, it was just then a new policy, and I was able to squeak loudly enough to get the course. But the movement will make up any rule and expect that if one is harmed by that that one much just suck it up and shut completely up about it, and never, never, never expect the movement to respect one for any amount of true believerism on one's part. Ask Chopra. After
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
In a message dated 4/25/07 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I come in the door, and I say, I'm here to give a donation, and he snapped his fingers at me exactly like a Nazi commandant and said, Give to me, in a very brusque voice. He took the check and never said or even hinted at a thank you. I was Sounds like the Soup NAzi. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
Chopra's father stabilised Maharishi when he was sick in 1992, in india and sent him to London. Do you think Maharishi is grateful to Chopra for that.?? Why erase all traces of his association with the TM mov 't.?? Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:24:12 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps The TM fascists did this too. 1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy The CIA was said to have infiltrated the TM movement, Christians were openly trying to stop the movement in schools and were considered as evil, L.B. was publishing a rag of unstressing. Easy to make enemies appear out of nowhere -- like aces in the hand of a card shark. 2. Create a gulag One loses one's dome badge, and one is instantly an outsider. The meditating kids sent to the public schools were, as if, sent to a gulag. The shame of our community is that it sent half the tuition money to International instead of using it to keep all our kids inside our group hug. Many people were banned to such a degree that if one was to associate with that person, one would get on the same blacklist. I was personally told -- immediately after becoming an initiator -- that I was never to have anything to do with Johnny Gray. Why? Don't ask, they warned. The movement has never been shy about telling us who was not to be listened to or otherwise one would be sent to the psychological gulag of outside status. 3. Develop a thug caste The course office personnel. Then there were those nazi-types in Germany who tried to completely surround Maharishi and cut him off from the rest of the movement. Maharishi has treated many international thugs-dictators with more respect than most meditators EVER get from the movement. Try to get Bevan to listen to anything negative about the movement and see if he doesn't immediately come off as a dictator with all the rights and privileges thereof. I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America) Well, I come in the door, and I say, I'm here to give a donation, and he snapped his fingers at me exactly like a Nazi commandant and said, Give to me, in a very brusque voice. He took the check and never said or even hinted at a thank you. I was dismissed without another word from him. That was one of my BETTER moments with movement types. 4. Set up an internal surveillance system I was blacklisted during teacher training, and I got off by knowing someone who had clout -- otherwise, I'd still be there -- wouldn't have gotten my mantras. When I was interviewed by Maharishi during a pre-technique interview, he wrote next to my photo, clean now, meaning my beard in the photo had been shaved. Anyone in the movement think they're not being watched? I have had perfect status since I got off the blacklist, was a very strong initiator, ran a center for eight years, taught 3% of Napa, CA to meditate, and lived on almost zero income, moved to Fairfield, did dome twice daily, raised my kids with the dogma, and yet, because I'm posting here, I'm willing to bet that I cannot get a dome badge now. 5. Harass citizens' groups Ask L.B. about this. Ask how almost anyone in power in the movement can arch an eyebrow and say, Maharishi wouldn't like that, and suddenly, one understands about the subtlety of harassment. 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release I was called on the carpet when I got on the blacklist. I had to explain myself, then I was released, and of course, I told my story to others and the fear spread from that too. Sigh. 7. Target key individuals So many cannot show their faces in Fairfield and have any hope of comfort. Anyone with a dome badge just cannot be free; the party line is spewed by everyone or they're banned; the targeting of individuals is done in the back room, and no one hardly ever is told why or how to rectify the situation. 8. Control the press Ask L.B. how long his rag was allowed to be freely distributed on campus. Ask anyone who has ever worked on any TM publication if their ideas had any chance of being sincerely attended to if it involved, you know, suggesting less gold ink, or perhaps marketing might be improved by using less photos of groups of smarmy looking Hindus who were seemingly on the verge of death but who were on the stage and posing as great health practitioners -- whatever, there was no freedom to be creative outside the TM box. 9. Dissent equals treason Ask John Lennon why he left India. Once you cross the movement in some serious way, it just becomes clear immediately that a bridge has been burned forever, that the movement NEVER was really interested in dialog -- only brainwashing and groveling. 10. Suspend the rule of law When I'd finally saved up enough credits by initiating to get on a sidhi course, they said, All that money's been taken away. Luckily
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and yet, because I'm posting here, I'm willing to bet that I cannot get a dome badge now. Edg I used to post here fairly often, I was fairly critical about some things, and, in fact, I wrote letters to both Hagelin and Bevan telling them that I personally knew of instances where they had slept with married movement ladies and did not appreciate their lording it over others while being deceitful themselves, even got responses back from each of their assistants, and applied to go to Fairfield a few months ago when the big push was on, and was accepted to the course. Kenny H. 5. Harass citizens' groups Ask L.B. about this. Ask how almost anyone in power in the movement can arch an eyebrow and say, Maharishi wouldn't like that, and suddenly, one understands about the subtlety of harassment. 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release I was called on the carpet when I got on the blacklist. I had to explain myself, then I was released, and of course, I told my story to others and the fear spread from that too. Sigh. 7. Target key individuals So many cannot show their faces in Fairfield and have any hope of comfort. Anyone with a dome badge just cannot be free; the party line is spewed by everyone or they're banned; the targeting of individuals is done in the back room, and no one hardly ever is told why or how to rectify the situation. 8. Control the press Ask L.B. how long his rag was allowed to be freely distributed on campus. Ask anyone who has ever worked on any TM publication if their ideas had any chance of being sincerely attended to if it involved, you know, suggesting less gold ink, or perhaps marketing might be improved by using less photos of groups of smarmy looking Hindus who were seemingly on the verge of death but who were on the stage and posing as great health practitioners -- whatever, there was no freedom to be creative outside the TM box. 9. Dissent equals treason Ask John Lennon why he left India. Once you cross the movement in some serious way, it just becomes clear immediately that a bridge has been burned forever, that the movement NEVER was really interested in dialog -- only brainwashing and groveling. 10. Suspend the rule of law When I'd finally saved up enough credits by initiating to get on a sidhi course, they said, All that money's been taken away. Luckily, it was just then a new policy, and I was able to squeak loudly enough to get the course. But the movement will make up any rule and expect that if one is harmed by that that one much just suck it up and shut completely up about it, and never, never, never expect the movement to respect one for any amount of true believerism on one's part. Ask Chopra. After he'd gotten so many media cameras to think, Hey, maybe this TM thing works, cuz look here's a very together guy espousing it -- with credentials no less -- the movement dumped him like he was radioactive and then tried revisionist history making as they erased all traces of his association with TM. Edg the Badgeless
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Bobby Warren. His last words supposedly were, I'm the worlds greatest diver lurk P.S. Great riff
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once went to give the movement a donation, and I ended up having to give it to this guy whose name escapes me (he drowned in rapids in Central America.) Bobby Warren. His last words supposedly were, I'm the worlds greatest diver Actually it was, Hey, did you know that I'm the world's greatest expert at swimming under waterfalls? He swam under the waterfall and the force of the water pushed him out and he drowned. Tim Jones had to carry his body out in a muddy 6 hour hike, along with some helpers, and then deal with all sorts of red tape to get his body out of Costa Rica and back to the US for burial.
